suggestion-discussion

[wintry forge]

What's the point of having merchants if it's easy to sell in trade or at auction?

[smoky yoke]

to me clouds seems like they chase players after a while

[open ermine]

gives players a reliable way to find specific items typically far cheaper than the AH

[wintry forge]

It seems like that'll make the merchants obsolete, if you can reliably get items for cheaper from trade or auction.

[open ermine]

i don't think i've ever seen that happen since usually the AH bases their starting prices on merchant values

[smoky yoke]

you may also find orange gear in the dungeons randomly, all rng in the end

from other players

[brazen garden]

Then make a limit to how many items you can put on auction, like tarkov you can only have 2 items on the flea market at one time

Until they've sold

[smoky yoke]

by the way it seems like when you go in the Red Portals, there aren't much players at all
I guess because no one goes there, seems like pve sometimes

[wintry forge]

I reread your comment. I misunderstood, so my comment didn't make sense.

[open ermine]

most matches i had only 1-2 teams would take red portals, but most of the matches also had like an 80% death rate

[somber wind]

I wish people didn't want auction houses so bad, it'll genuinely ruin the game :\

The item liquidity would go so far through the roof.

[open ermine]

well voice your opinion on why discussion is critical for both sides

[smoky yoke]

farming items in the dungeons without using trade system

[somber wind]

So I mentioned this like a month or so ago about item liquidity will increase making it so everyone will get their final builds significantly quicker.

This will make it so everyone is in general significantly more geared.

[open ermine]

i'd prefer an AH or cleaned up trading post but i can see why people wouldn't want it being sped up since it can lead to heavy inflation in some cases

[somber wind]

This increases the divide between new players of the season and people who have been playing to a gigantic degree by day 2.

In addition this will lower player engagement with eachother and produce a more efficiency over fun mindset

As well as kill any friendship making as the community will become less inviting

This is something that has happened to every MMO that has introduced an Auction house for evidence citing

[wintry forge]

I think the main trade should be with the merchants, and the player trade is for situations where the merchants aren't selling something you want.

[rocky oar]

I disagree on the player engagement. Trade chat is always either you pay for my price or fuck- off and people will just close the trade

[somber wind]

Runescape both in 2007 and in 2014's OSRS when it came to trading before the Grand Exchange

was significantly better for making money

Because flipping was significantly easier

This is because street prices fluctuate so heavily

If no one is selling X item

you can sell it for 800% price

and people will have to buy it

[rocky oar]

Wait wait wait

Max prices are a thing and it's already a thing

[somber wind]

How so?

[rocky oar]

You can only trade like what 2k gold in trade atm

You can only put so many bags in the trade

[somber wind]

and?

[rocky oar]

I think it was 2k

[somber wind]

Yeah that'll increase anyway with the Gold chests

but an example is selling Candycanes for 50g instead of 25g because no one is selling them

I did that a ton

[rocky oar]

A cap can be placed on AHs as well which is what trade chat literally has right now

[somber wind]

I don't really want a cap tbh

I want to beable to upsell

I want to beable to take advantage of the market

[rocky oar]

Well it exist and the issue you are talking about is liquidity so how is that an issue if a cap already exist

[somber wind]

So the issue with liquidity is that it stabilizes prices at the lowest price possible

making the prices of items continuously free fall over the season

So by the end of the Season even Uniques will be cheapish

Unless we get item durability

or some consistent way to sink items out of the game

When it's done by street price

Price has a significantly harder time

adjusting to stock

This is the same for example with the Elysian Spirit Shield in Runescape for awhile

It was 300m GP for years

when a better item came out

it dropped to 15m

because of the stock

[rocky oar]

Like it should be

[somber wind]

Perception is the entire thing

So

[rocky oar]

Better items should be the most expensive

[somber wind]

Allowing players to abuse the lack of stock keeping

due to the lack of an Auction house

allows for wheeling and dealing

Which is genuinely ALOT of fun

I loved selling 25gp shovels in Runescape for 80,000gp because no one had any and didn't want to go to Keldagrim

[rocky oar]

I don't understand how someone can have fun wasting their time in chat instead of playing the game. There are always systems to regulate AHs too

[somber wind]

An example of an item that heavily suffers from an Auction house would be the Golden Key

The Golden Key will become worth more to sell

than to use

[wintry forge]

@wary shell I down voted this for one reason. It's called "Second Wind". If it had two charges it should be called "Second and Third Wind".
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[somber wind]

Similar to Implings in Runescape

they have potential for more Gold

but it's better to sell them

[rocky oar]

It already is worth more to sell right now unless you have a dedicated 3 man to go loot the treasure together as fast as possible and if you even get the right map

The worth of the key isn't the issue

[somber wind]

With gold keys I've always come out with more

[rocky oar]

The issue is people don't wanna deal with trying to make the key worth it

[somber wind]

But that's because hehe rat boys triple rogue team

[rocky oar]

A lot of people sell cause they ain't doing triple rouge to loot fast

[somber wind]

Of course

[fallow owl]

• Make zombie poison gas if you touch it poisened for 5 seconds or 3. they are so easy to kill and the toxic feels wont do any dmg
• make red zone on hard mode to brick wall, to gap ppl and smash them if they are trapped.
• the spiders wont hit if you kite so good. (maybe decrease spawn to 2 spiders instead of 3) its disgusting to kill spawn as mb archer without i jump on it...)
• more traps to die. i love the spike traps or the walltraps, maybe add more of them. (and i love the hidden rooms and ways.) maybe a firetrap idc
• little more randomized spawns (i think all spawns are fixed on this only one monster) maybe there are monster spawnpool 1 (skeleton,zombie,flying unit) or spawn 2 (skeleton archer, upgraded skeleton) spawn 3 (wraith, bossskeleton) maybe it would be nice more random spawns.

[rocky oar]

Nor do they wanna deal with trying to get the right map either

[somber wind]

I do think though that in general it'll be healthier for the game economy

if it wasn't being tracked

like an auction house would do

Prices will for the most part stabilize at prices people agree on

instead of their actual worth

and will fluctuate each Season

[rocky oar]

It's not bidding

[somber wind]

In a sense it is

[rocky oar]

I should have put buyout

this isn't towards u

[somber wind]

?

[rocky oar]

#d-and-d-suggestions message this

I should have been more specific but the timer doesn't let me edit

The AH I imagine won't have bidding

[somber wind]

AH kk

Thoughts on this Linsung

Auction House has a 5% tax ontop of the 15 gold trade tax

and Trade post still exists

as an alternative

This makes it so for immediate use the AH is better

but for making your money go furthest

Trading Post is best

Although I wouldn't beable to wheel as good it's a middleground

[rocky oar]

I never said trading post had to be replaced

I just want AH

plenty of games have both

[somber wind]

Yeah as I said though

15 + 5%?

actually maybe 10%

so it has more impact

[rocky oar]

That'll just inflate the prices more

[somber wind]

Yes

The idea is to make it cost something to use the AH

Trading Post would be the place to get it for cheaper

[rocky oar]

mmmm

[somber wind]

you're paying for convenience

[rocky oar]

I can see that

[somber wind]

(sorry tired as hell so I keep writing the wrong thing lol)

[rocky oar]

I could get behind that

Is there tax on trade post btw?

I can't remember

[somber wind]

Basically is your time worth the 10% tax or do you want to go into the trade post

yes

50g to access it, 15g to trade

[rocky oar]

How much?

[somber wind]

accessing it is 1 time payment though

[rocky oar]

They should drop the 15g trade completely and AH should be 10% tax

[somber wind]

Although I like the roleplay of the tax on the Trading Post I could also get behind that

but here's the thing

I'm pretty sure that 15g is to stop people

same for the 50g

from giving new players stuff

[rocky oar]

It literally takes one normal game to get that money

[somber wind]

So they experience base game

[rocky oar]

that's not stopping anyone

[somber wind]

Yeah that's the point though

you play 1 game

without gear

That's intentional

Atleast I assume from what I can tell

[rocky oar]

1 game doesn't make a difference

If they made people play 15 games or so

I get it

but 1 game is legit 10 mins

[open ermine]

might be less for new players and to stop potential bots

[rocky oar]

If they wanna stop bots the requirement needs to be higher

[somber wind]

That's also a thing

[wary shell]

[somber wind]

I do think that an Auction house even though convenient would still be harmful, I haven't seen a game that it hasn't been.

Something that it does to alot of people also is damage motivation to do anything yourself.

If everything is accessible at all times why do the content that provides it.

[rocky oar]

People don't wanna do shit themselves as is

[somber wind]

I want to do bosses for example, but if I know I can buy my perfect unique right this moment

I'll probably just mine Rubysilver.

It's the better option.

[rocky oar]

That's also cause of the dumb cap

[somber wind]

It'll get it faster.

How do you mean?

[rocky oar]

I saw people trying to sell artifacts for legit 300 candy since the gold cap stop you

[somber wind]

I'm saying that this would be a problem IF the Auction House existed

[rocky oar]

It's a problem now

[somber wind]

It's significantly less of a problem

[rocky oar]

A lot of people don't get candy

[somber wind]

people are selling uniques yeah

but not perfect ones

[rocky oar]

Most legendary or artifacts are asking candy

[somber wind]

If I can look through a catalogue of uniques

[rocky oar]

and alot of them too

[somber wind]

I can find the one with the exact modifiers I need

since it's EVERY unique being sold

[rocky oar]

If it's even being sold

[somber wind]

In all likelihood with the player count

it will be

Or something just barely off

[rocky oar]

There weren't that many kills as you think there were for you to just get the artificact you want

[somber wind]

If the Seasons last for 3 or 6 months

[rocky oar]

To add on

[somber wind]

it will matter

[rocky oar]

They said loot will be nerfed

probably multiple times at that

[somber wind]

They said it'd be based on this past playtest's loot

[rocky oar]

This is also a loot probelm btw

They already said it's gonna get nerfed next playtest

[somber wind]

Ah kk

[rocky oar]

They don't like where the droprates are at right now

[somber wind]

I thought that was them saying it on Alpha 2, this Alpha 3 I was sure they said it'd based on Alpha 3's

[rocky oar]

They've been doing it over and over

[somber wind]

1sec phonecall I'll continue

in a sec

[rocky oar]

I pumped 80 hours and found 3 legendaries at most last alpha

[somber wind]

How do you feel about that

too little too much?

I feel like that's too little

[brazen garden]

Maybe its just his luck?

I guess finding one is harder than killing someone for a legendary i suppose

[rocky oar]

Most people are really bad too

[stuck heath]

Depends if you played High Roller or even killed bosses too.

[rocky oar]

Most people aren't gonna be killing highroller bosses

[brazen garden]

Arent mid level bosses or bosses in general on any level able to drop legendary>

[rocky oar]

You are overestimating how many legendaries and artifacts are gonna be on the AH

especially if they nerf loot like they already are

Bosses or mini-bosses? You talking about Lich King?

[somber wind]

I do hope it doesn't become too too grindy

[rocky oar]

Be specific

[brazen garden]

Mini like wraith and skele champ ya know

[somber wind]

I do think loot is at a niceish place righ tnow

Highroller is abit wacky though

[rocky oar]

Yes on highroller and even then it's really rare

[somber wind]

I'm saying highroller I think is too much loot

[brazen garden]

Either decrease loot or increase price of entry

[rocky oar]

Bruh

Yall have to be getting lucky or something

Cause I went highroller Inferno almost every game

and couldn't get shit

I had to buy my gear from others all the time

[somber wind]

Yeah I think you were getting unlucky

[brazen garden]

The only thing i dislike about highroller is not seeing the killfeed, i feel really blind not knowing if anyone has died

[somber wind]

I was getting purples atleast from highroller inferno

I'm fine without killfeed, it adds more tension

[brazen garden]

true

[open ermine]

i think that's the intention so players have tension to go by instead of being able to see half the lobby is now dead and take their time

[somber wind]

I do like knowing if I'm alone or not of course but still

yeah

I think it's better for making people hurry up

and not full loot

[rocky oar]

AH is only as bad as loot is and same goes for trade chat. I stared at trade chat for countless hours since I couldn't find my own loot and I swear to you I can count on one hand the amount of legendaries that were extremely good for wizard and that's it. The issue, your thinking about how often you can get legendaries but 90% of the time people don't even want the legendaries cause they have bad stats on them almost all the time.

[cosmic thistle]

Ooga booga suggestions go the funneh

[somber wind]

Nah and I do get that but it allows people to find more "perfect" of items in general more often

even if it's not legendary

it would make the low end of the game significantly more perfect in general

as well

[rocky oar]

That's a different issue, they need to freaking scale gear better

because right now you can just put on greens with either physical or magical flat bonuses and one shot people

and it's way easier to find greens with the right stats too

That needs to be freaking fixed

[somber wind]

Something to note btw

Auction house will be last resort based on the devs opinions of the auction house

They said they actively do not like the idea of one

[rocky oar]

They need to at least lock items then for trade chats

[somber wind]

Oh there's already plans to:

1. Add filters

2. Lock chats to only mentioning specific items

[open ermine]

Good, i'm already fully content as long as they add filters

[somber wind]

Same

So Armor Chat is for Armor Only

[rocky oar]

If your in the weapon chat, then everything that isn't a weapon is grayed out and you can't link it in the chat

[somber wind]

The filter would be the ability to

1. Not see anything below X Rarity

2. Filter to specific items

[rocky oar]

I just want them to do something about it this next alpha

I hated my life staring at chat for hours on end

[somber wind]

I assume the filter will be in by next alpha tbh

[rocky oar]

it was so sad

[mossy ruin]

finding hatchets was ZPAIN

[somber wind]

They said it was priority

[gray vessel]

then don't lmao

[rocky oar]

I want gear

and I was clearly not finding it

[somber wind]

So I doubt it won't be in the next

[open ermine]

wonderful if they can make it happen

[white cliff]

As a cleric looking for a legendary mace I feel you.

[fair copper]

A small amount of people seemed to agree/disagree with my post. I am pleased

[somber wind]

Dude maces were impossible

Mace drop rate for sure needed to be increased

[mossy ruin]

? what are you saying

[somber wind]

I kinda wish the moderators would purge the troll ideas more often

as well as suggestion ban trolls

[fair copper]

I’ll send in dms

[open ermine]

maybe add an auto delete for suggestions with high enough negative receptions

[fair copper]

Its a long scroll@up

[somber wind]

It's just making more difficulty for the devs when they need to go through it

[somber wind]

Nah it's good for the devs to see genuinely bad ideas too so they can know what to avoid

or what has negative opinion

If people vehemently hate an idea

it'll help them

but troll ideas that provide nothing is a problem

since they'll also have to waste time with those

[open ermine]

yeah that's true

[somber wind]

High contention posts are important for development

The issue I worry about with the troll posts

is when it's time for the devs to read through stuff

they'll have to waste time wadding through it

instead of getting actual data

[mossy ruin]

I know what it is, i just find it odd you are satisfied with a lack off polarity in peoples opinion of your idea

[fair copper]

Let me look up polarity

Ah, well its because i’ve been trying to send that post for around 3 days straight but i kept messing up the notification

And i’m just happy i can finally send it. Oh and its got likes! So cool 🥰

[rocky oar]

@opaque shore

[rose lantern]

lmao

[rocky oar]

there's enough trolls in this disc

[opaque shore]

What's up?

[unkempt walrus]

Hmm

[rocky oar]

he deleted his comment before u got here

[rose lantern]

bro i'm crying lol, that was instadeleted

[rocky oar]

yea

He found out real quick

[rose lantern]

soon as the warden was pinged it was gone lol

[rocky oar]

I thought about signing for warden but bro, I wouldn't give those guys a chance in hell

[rose lantern]

gotta admin, he did make some good points

[opaque shore]

Who was it?

[rocky oar]

they be gone from the discord in a heart beat

I can't remember his name

[rose lantern]

i don't remember, just made a meme post about the benefits of adding MrBeast as an npc

was kinda funny but was spam

[unkempt walrus]

Guy had a good point though

[rocky oar]

It was the same spam bs with this huge wall of text that someone was doing yesterday that you got on about

I've been up for over 24 hours so I forgot his name instantly

[lucid root]

Cold toast or something

Wet turkey

Some weird name

[mossy ruin]

These things are always a thing in public discords, just gotta ignore and report, zzz

[opaque shore]

Oh god. At least It isn't as bad as the other guy in the server recently 😓

[lucid root]

Probably someone I've blocked already lol

[rocky oar]

There's like an extra amount of trolls in this disc though

It's insane

[lucid root]

I guess DaD has a very trollish subset of its community

[unkempt walrus]

DaDs do tend to make jokes

[lucid root]

You said that with a straight face

[fair copper]

Either because no slowmode or people don’t wanna wait for dark and darker so they lash out

[lusty wren]

When you allow them to run free they tend to multiply

[lucid root]

I've planted many seedlings

[unkempt walrus]

🤝

[lucid root]

My villain origin story

[lusty wren]

Some people here also confuse differing opinions as trolls 😄

Which is quite hilarious

[lucid root]

Someone said to straight up delete all the bad suggestions, like what

[lusty wren]

Like this one. Some just confuse differing opinions 😄

[unkempt walrus]

You can call them chronic discord users

[lucid root]

starts sweating

[wintry forge]

What do you think about this suggestion? I was chatting about it here the other day, and people seemed to agree that the gas should move with airflow.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[unkempt walrus]

Not sure how you would make that happen, seems like they would just move away from character movement if that was implemented

I think the gas is a good obstacle as it is

[mossy ruin]

It would be interesting if there was a way to adjust it coming at you, but its also like, whatever imo.

[echo tinsel]

@timber rose dude didnt even read the suggestion, instant thumbs down

[mossy ruin]

The trolls are out of touch boomers who got mad, or twitch chat itself since this game exploded.

[lucid root]

Design an entire simulation of air moving through corridors just to move some clouds around

[mossy ruin]

I mean it could just be an increasing value of changing direction as it gets closer to a player. But yeah, whatever

[lucid root]

Strafe around it in circles to make it turn into a gas tornado

This guy's airflow is op!

[lusty wren]

Ya tbh this idea seems as if it would just make the gas move away from players which is kind of counter productive to what it is

[wintry forge]

I think my idea would make the clouds follow players or enemies more. If you move past it close by it follows your trail.

[lucid root]

I'm running +5 airflow on all my gear, 🦔

That's a hedgehog btw

[wintry forge]

It would make it more like the clouds chasing you, instead of it moving in random directions.

[opaque shore]

That's so evil

[lucid root]

Was it you who had the idea for wind to put out torches at random

[wintry forge]

No. I suggested to be able to take torches off the wall, and that was up voted.

[lucid root]

Oh...why?

[wintry forge]

They have to make the zombies harder somehow.

[opaque slate]

well they would be harder if other enemies were put with them

[wintry forge]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[lusty wren]

The clouds did chase in the first PT iirc and it was removed because of reasons 😄

[wintry forge]

@mint ravine Do you know why a lot of my suggestions that have 15+ up votes aren't getting a green label? A bunch of them had a green label, but now it's blue, and it still should be green.

[lusty wren]

Did youur ratio lower?

[wintry forge]

Is the reason because people complained about them being too hard? I didn't play the first playtest.

[lusty wren]

Possibly

Most likely

[wintry forge]

No, it's the same.

[lusty wren]

Interesting

Not sure what the metric is to turn green

[lucid root]

The system is out to get you man...

[white cliff]

Can’t say I support any type of infinite storage system.

[wintry forge]

Here's an example.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[white cliff]

Especially with the intent of keeping items out of circulation.

[lusty wren]

Ah ya that should be green for sure

[white cliff]

Just creates more gear fear too.

[echo tinsel]

Bruh its only supposed to be a souvenir stash, you cant even use those items so why is slot limit so important?

I feel like people completely missed the point or I failed to expain it correctly :/

[open ermine]

so more like a journal system instead that records the gear but doesn't take it out of the game?

[unkempt walrus]

storage should be finite

for every item

[lucid root]

One bag of gold takes up half of your stash

[echo tinsel]

Somebody would have some really cool items in there, but it would never say they lost it a minute after joining another match. I think storing such items would mean more.

[lusty wren]

Eh I just feel it adds no value to the game so taking dev time for it seems bad

[white cliff]

And gear fear.

I don’t see a reason to implement it.

[echo tinsel]

Thats why I pointed out this could be added on EA or full release, so they wouldnt have to push it and rather make it when there's nothing else to do currently.

[white cliff]

Because it effects the actual game…

It creates a weird gear fear with legendary items, and takes a ton of them out of circulation.

[neon meadow]

Just give me an expensive gold pouch that still takes up 1 tile but can hold 200-500 g and a big pouch that can be more than 1 tile that is 1k+

[white cliff]

Alt currency.

You can stack 300 gold.

30g candy canes.

[barren wing]

It wouldn’t affect the actual gameplay? And what do you mean taking them out of circulation? Is there a limited amount of items?

[neon meadow]

Who says candy canes will stay in the game?

[white cliff]

Plus you can only put so much gold in the trade window, so it helps with purchases.

[echo tinsel]

At the end of a season, everything is lost anyway. What's so wrong with preserving some items to make souvenirs out of them? Sure, item circulation could be a problem but at the same time, who's forcing players to equip or sell their legendary items? Many would just store them in stash to flex anyway, but they would lose them every wipe.

[white cliff]

There’s been an alt currency every play test so far.

[neon meadow]

Also, not everyone values candy @ 30 a pop

Not the first playtest

[barren wing]

Nah 20-25g. 30g are scammers

[white cliff]

Wasn’t the leprechaun in play test one?

30g is the base price I saw lol.

[barren wing]

Yeah and the headless horseman in play test 2

[white cliff]

And then we had Santa.

[barren wing]

Damn you were getting robbed

[neon meadow]

Leprechaun was a meme

[lusty wren]

Working on DLC/Expansions id think is much more important tbh

[white cliff]

Flexing with LB stats > RNG gear.

[neon meadow]

Dlc/expecs brother there isn't even all the floors yet

[white cliff]

Idk, I don’t see a reason for it.

[lusty wren]

Read the msg I responded too

[white cliff]

Post launch, keep up?

Context context context.

Brother just jumped in the middle of a conversation to call somebody out lol.

[neon meadow]

Yall don't even have a finished game and are planning for post launch lol

[white cliff]

Y’all? I’m not a dev….

[neon meadow]

Clearly 🤣

[lusty wren]

Not planning for anything. Was just responding to a comment being made 😄

But anyways

[white cliff]

I mean yes clearly, my name isn’t blue…

[lusty wren]

Ur a cleric main that is all that matters 😉

[opaque shore]

DLC? 😵‍💫

[white cliff]

True.

Real and true.

[neon meadow]

Bigger gold bags , b1, and delete silver

[lusty wren]

Is this what you want for the next PT?

If so id agree

Cept not sure about the gold bags

Maybe if they cost more

and arent egregiously bigger

[lucid root]

51

[neon meadow]

I'm fine with the costing 20x more, stash is too clutered with 50g bags

[barren wing]

100g bags sounds reasonable

[neon meadow]

Nah, 200g atleast

[barren wing]

I was having to spend a lot of time looking for items to buy to get rid of gold and make space 😦

[neon meadow]

Even if I had half as many gold bags, would still take up too much space

[neon meadow]

Ya. Eventually you just stop haggling and buy for whatever price just for space

[barren wing]

Might as well just make it a 2x2 gold chest with a storage of 500g at that point

[neon meadow]

I'm here for it

[lucid root]

Yall a bunch of gold diggers

[barren wing]

I like da moneh

[neon meadow]

Lost in de sauce

[cursive kayak]

Someone suggested orb of light spell to show invisible people I agree but it should be for clerics not wizards

[lucid root]

Can I buy an emote that let's me throw my gold coins at poor people?

[neon meadow]

Idk about that, seems like a bad idea tbh @cursive kayak

[lusty wren]

/spit

[lucid root]

Kinky 😏

[barren wing]

/spit is too vulgar, even blizzard had to remove it lmaoo

I like throwing gold tho

[neon meadow]

Blizz removed it because it offended cash shop enjoyers

[runic musk]

i just made a spit macro 😎

[lucid root]

Was there a spit animation?

[runic musk]

they cant stop me from hurling loogies att fellas

[runic musk]

no

[neon meadow]

No but there was a sound lol

[barren wing]

Genius

[lusty wren]

LOL Ya that was the reference was a joke

[lucid root]

I can see some rp server doing that fantasy racism crap

[runic musk]

Fantasy 🤔

wow players go the extra step and larp that shit

[neon meadow]

Chat going in a weird direction, 👋

[runic musk]

Where can i find the rules for the suggest channel

swear there were some

[lucid root]

That's the extent of your comfort zone?

[lusty wren]

Unfortunately they have no rules or guidelines

Which is why its such a shit show in there 😄

[runic musk]

thought i saw some in the announcement of it

i wanna read

but there is so much crap in there

sent in a warden application just to be able to go through and filter out one word, copyrighted and shitpost ones

shitposts you kinda need too talk to the fella about

[lusty wren]

That would be super nice

[runic musk]

i do love seeing where people want the game too go

[wintry forge]

Would anyone here complain if all normal enemies were harder? I feel like they're currently just an obstacle to slow you down.

[lusty wren]

I agree with the devs that B1 should have B2's difficulty and B2 should have inferno, and B3 should be a higher difficulty then we currently have

[barren wing]

The devs stated that? 😮

[mossy bear]

The issues lie with tougher rooms where there will be many of them on you at once. It would be really unfun to get mobbed on, and reducing enemy count sounds like reduced loot. As another player said, it seems healthy for b1 to be at this difficulty, though.

[lusty wren]

They said B1 will have current B2's difficulty yes

And that B3 bosses are actually B2 bosses

That just are in B3 for testing

[open ermine]

"I do not know. This is hard to answer, I can say that I am thinking about the 3 layers I think the difficulty of the first floor will be similar to the current B2" from the last Q&A

[lusty wren]

^

Thanks mana

[neon meadow]

If b2 difficultly translates to b1. B2 gonna be empty af, just like b3 is now

[lusty wren]

B3 is not hard

It just takes getting used to

and with the lower loot tables (overall nerf as devs spoke about)

people 100% will go there

for better loot

[neon meadow]

B3 isn't hard, its empty of players

[lusty wren]

I found plenty of people who went down in HR

There is 0 incentive currently to go lower

When that changes id expect alot more people in normal B3

/b2

[neon meadow]

I did nothing but hr after it was buffed, ran into 1 other team during the whole test

[lusty wren]

Ah people def went down more in HR. But again there was little incentive to do so. When the loot tables are lower and people want the better loot they will go down

[neon meadow]

Ya but most rounds have so much pvp, that only 1 or 2 teams even make it down

[lusty wren]

Which is probably why they said player count on B1 will be higher

So more filter down

[neon meadow]

Not only does p count needs to be higher, but little to no escape portals

[wintry forge]

I think they should merge lobbies for those that go to lower floors.

[lusty wren]

Eh, id hate to be waiting for 5minutes + though to enter the lower levels

But maybe that would work

Would have to see how it effected the times

[neon meadow]

Maybe , think b3 could be argued against. Would never get boss kills

[lusty wren]

B3 bosses will be on B2

But ya b3 will have a boss too so i get the point

[neon meadow]

Then I'm sure they'll have to add something to b3

[lusty wren]

Ya, hopefully our dragon

But id imagine more players and less exit portals on B1 would help

and more incentives to delve deeper

better loot (as is planned) quests etc

[neon meadow]

Imagine b2 having ghost king be the final circle. The pure chaos lol

[lusty wren]

Ya would be super chaotic which I like

[verbal marsh]

I only ever saw another party in b3 maybe 1/5 times.

[lusty wren]

Quests and better loot are great incentives. I doubt people will stop their quest progression because they dont want to go down

[neon meadow]

Quests in looters shooters get old fast af

[wintry forge]

It'd be fun if you could only get some perks/skills from going to B2 and B3. That'd incentivize people more to go there than just for better gear.

[lusty wren]

Maybe so but they are already confirmed for DaD and if they have good rewards that incentivize delving deeper I am all for it

[open ermine]

do you mean like a roguelike find them and swap them out on the fly? or more so in just doing some unique quest/bosskill to perma unlock some?

[wintry forge]

Just to be able to unlock some.

[neon meadow]

Think adding merchants that sell services would be a huge draw to the lower floors. Stat rerolls, cosmetics, etc

[lusty wren]

Ya, I think thatd be sick also

[barren wing]

Maybe if they’re dailies, but I think weekly quests and one time quests would be cool.

[lusty wren]

Id like getting guests upon entering the raid also.

[neon meadow]

I'm biased, not much of a quester. Most just seem trivial

[lusty wren]

Invisible trap....

Anything that is not counterable is a bad idea

[neon meadow]

Placing traps on bodies. The ultimate uncounterable

[barren wing]

Most probably would be trivial with the rewards being gold and experience. But I mean they could create a reputation system where you unlock quests that provide sweet rewards by completing the trivial ones

[open ermine]

i think a reputation system is intended for the merchants eventually, don't quote me on this though

so maybe if thats the case you could get stronger quests down the line from building up with them

[pseudo wing]

don't the merchants have little hearts or something under their portrait or am i crazy? seems pretty likely u gain favor from them doing quests

[open ermine]

they do which is why i mentioned it between that and the 24 timer it seemed like early setup work for a reputation system

potentially for cheaper deals or increased supply/rarity of items

[wintry forge]

What do you think about having some skills/perks or things on the training tree only unlockable after defeating bosses. This would give players a good reason to go to deeper levels, and it would encourage solos to join a group.

[agile condor]

Sounds like a reasonable progression step for people that play in trios, though I'd imagine solo players might not like this. I'd probably be fine with something like this though, at the very least, cosmetics for killing bosses

[pseudo wing]

imo. could just have pieces of gear that only drop off bosses. still worth killing them if they're super good but solos/bad players can buy them or get them off a kill if they grind enough or get lucky

[opaque shore]

I loved most quests in Warframe, but I'm also one in a million that could say that.
That game is peak Looter shooter

[open ermine]

i enjoy hidden secrets type of unlockables but i know some others would find it tedious that their potential best stuff is locked behind reqs. like a boss kill but that would probably be a good driving factor in keeping the playerbase at some point going down and attempting to unlock them

[verbal marsh]

I got into warframe too early, use to be alpha tester never really got into game after they released for console.

[open ermine]

looter shooter where you have to bake your loot in an oven for 1-3 days

[verbal marsh]

Warframe has come a long way tho.

[open ermine]

aside from that the the story quests were pretty enjoyable, stopped playing myself after Harrow i think his name was?

[verbal marsh]

I would say warframe probably stands as most improved early access indi game in history.

[opaque shore]

Or rush it with ingame currency

[open ermine]

i never spent plat on rush orders, always just save it for prime parts

[opaque shore]

Trust me, players like me who have over 1k+ hours can make platinum easier than drinking water

[open ermine]

which mentioning that probaly the only time i enjoyed a $ system, actively trading for the $ currency as f2p was really easy in that game

[lusty wren]

I do not think warframe and DaD are similar enough to draw inferences on quests etc. Quests for a PVE game are much easier to pull off IMO

[verbal marsh]

the cash for primes was kinda a turn off for me.

[open ermine]

i have close to that, im just very frugal on spending even fantasy $

[opaque shore]

Indeed, but they did say "Looter shooter" and Warframe is basically that

[open ermine]

I'd rather just be patient myself, and yeah no i agree it still is a solid loot n shoot regardless of the cook timers

[lusty wren]

Ya, I feel that way about the genre in general I guess. Looter shooters are very different than DaD

[verbal marsh]

think the last game i started to p2w was star conflict, just because i completely beat the game already.

they started adding too many ui screens to game and that turned me off tho

[opaque shore]

You can farm every single one without wasting a single cent, plus you can make the "premium" currency really, REALLY easily.
Warframe market, is an insanely good website for making plat. I made over 4000 platinum without even caring much about the market, I just placed out sells and they would sell easily

[open ermine]

^

the game is probably one of the most accommodating f2p games especially after the riven? update

made just about any weapon viable for the stuff at endgame to farm things to sell off for plat

[opaque shore]

I do think Warframe has a nice Pay to earn system, where you can use money as shortcut but you don't need to at all. You can enjoy the game entirely without spending a single cent.

[verbal marsh]

yaeh I know, I was an alpha player. They added mounds upon mounds of content, and with the cash for primes im more likely to just buy my way to catch up then add time. I mean I played all the content before it had the layers of earning on it for days on end lol.

[opaque shore]

I know Blizzard gets a lot of bad rep for the leveling shortcut but I don't mind paying for shortcuts, as long as It doesn't interfere with in-game balance

[lusty wren]

I dont mind in a PVE game

I do mind in a pvevp game

because it does effect gameplay

[opaque shore]

Well, not really entirely. For example, If there was a 1 dollar shortcut to level 20 on Dark and Darker, that's really not giving that much advantage at all. Most users wouldn't pay for it and would already easily be at level 20.

[lusty wren]

It would 100% it would take a person who has earned nothing to lvl 20 which is inherently stronger than a lvl 1

[opaque shore]

The only slight "advantage" would be leveling up faster for the very first few days

[lusty wren]

It is defacto purchasing power

[verbal marsh]

league of legends does it.

[opaque shore]

Indeed, but It wouldn't last long, and soon as everyone gets to 20, It's not a problem anymore

Assuming they don't do level wipes, of course

[lusty wren]

Why put it in if its not a issue to just level up?

Id say this approaches what the devs have stated they are against personally

[verbal marsh]

It really comes down to level design on whether poeple would care or not.

[open ermine]

have they hinted at what kind of wipes we will even get btw? i don't think i've read anything specific and was wondering if it was just wiping gear/stash or also characters/levels

[opaque shore]

Indeed, I did not mean for it to be a suggestion for Dark and Darker, but more of a insight as to why I feel like It wouldn't be much of a problem to me.

[lusty wren]

Valid

[opaque shore]

Stuff like shortcuts, I wouldn't mind at all.

[lusty wren]

IIRC they just said most likely seasonal wipes

TBH if DaD starts allowing purchasable progression I am probably out 😄 Id way prefer cosmetic only purchases

[barren wing]

If it’s a wipe I’d assume both loot and levels.

[lusty wren]

Would make little sense if it was just one or the other

[opaque shore]

As long It doesn't affect the long-term gameplay balance, I'm all for it. In fact, I was one of the few that actually liked the "instant level 100" on World of Warcraft.
Many people did not want to bother with leveling up that much

[verbal marsh]

I mean I feel like f2players ruin more games then they add to lol

[jagged anvil]

is there a suggestion for unlockable storage tabs using the ingame point system

[opaque shore]

Honestly, since this is very much a Dungeons & Dragons esque game, It would be pretty fair If they kept levels, and then later added more levels.
I'm sure everyone loves having a "Level 50 super warrior" that has gone through a ton of ish to get there.

[verbal marsh]

soon as they push lv beyond 20 its no longer got the dnd feel for me.

[open ermine]

that's kinda what i thought that levels would be perm with that prestige skill tree thing

[opaque shore]

Yeah, I killed a few dragons, what about it?

[verbal marsh]

going beyond 10 pushes enough already

[open ermine]

interested to see how multi classing works out though if they go through it

[barren wing]

Yeah isn’t DND level capped at 20? I understand it would be frustrating to have to level up to get the same skills/perks again, but if it’s a “clean wipe” they’d wipe everything right?

[open ermine]

never cared for doing that in actual D&D

[opaque shore]

I haven't done any original dungeons and dragons game, so I wouldn't know much about the original dungeons & dragons other than people love being super powerful

[verbal marsh]

mmo's use to cap at lv 30 to maintain a proximity to dnd

everquest was originally like 30

[opaque shore]

Oooh, I had no idea of this.

Sorry, I'm a little of a baby boomer. I grew up in the 2000s

[open ermine]

yeah DnD is capped at lvl20 with a prestige system to push power beyond 20

[barren wing]

I did as well I just have had the pleasure of being able to play the game 🙂

[verbal marsh]

most characters die long before they break teen

to even be in double digits make you a grizzled veteran.

[opaque shore]

Ohh, with this in mind then It's very possible to have level wipes as well

[open ermine]

hitting lvl20 by the books can take like an actual year or so

made longer if your group has the constant failed to meet issues

[opaque shore]

I do hope they don't do username wipes though. I love having unique usernames other than "ClericKisser420"

[rose lantern]

in the long run username wipes might be a good thing, someone who hasn't touched the game in a year having a contested username could be annoying if that happens often

[verbal marsh]

I think character names shouldn't be unique. Just let people be who they want with an @worthy idol that is unique.

[rose lantern]

@verbal marsh agreed, account username > character username

[barren wing]

In that case wouldn’t it be better to wipe character names that are just sitting instead of all character names?

So people that do play constantly arent having to fight, for example, every other wipe to get their name back

[opaque shore]

I can tell you that there will be tons of YoloRages

[barren wing]

Yeah exactly

[opaque shore]

It will be a massacre for trobadours

[rose lantern]

or maybe not even wipe them, but after a long period of time your character name could be taken and you have to rename them before you can play them again

[opaque shore]

Yeah, inactivity system to wipe names is perfect

I also hope they do give specific usernames like YoloRage for example to their original creators IF they do want that username.

[verbal marsh]

the plaque would just read YoloRage of Yolorage. Any other would have a different account name so it wouldnt change much.

[opaque shore]

Most big time streamers will probably hide their names, but I'm sure some won't want to

& I do love the satisfaction of for example, you play Dungeons & Dragons with your friends for decades, and you manage to get your favorite character name in there, without fear that someone else will steal it after wipe

[rose lantern]

big names in the community being able to reserve their name for official release would be cool tbh

[verbal marsh]

I think surnames would be good enough to add variance.

[barren wing]

So like a title system?

[opaque shore]

I think discords # deal is also pretty good, you can make multiple YoloRages but they are indentified by their #

[rose lantern]

True

[verbal marsh]

basically, I'd name my account surname Ninomiya, then character names would be common so I could always be Kinji. and hence the legend of Kinji Ninomiya is born.

[opaque shore]

I didn't like the last playtest exclusive names solely for being an annoyance most of the time in games.

Which wipes would be good for, but also terrible for.

Yes, It would wipe their names, but, some would just spam take it back to annoy you.

If you watch a streamer like Asmongold for example, after he got big he can never get the username "Asmongold" anymore in any game with exclusive names

[open ermine]

very true, i think even 3-4 backup names he had planned got taken literal seconds before he made his character in wow classic

[opaque shore]

I do think the Battle.net and Discord hidden number identifiers would be great, since there would be no name exclusivity

[barren wing]

That’s understandable, but I like having the exclusive rights to my characters name

[open ermine]

yeah it's a good way to let anyone have their own names, a lobby composed entirely of Goku#1-16

[lusty wren]

Why just big names? Seems it should be a option for all or none

[open ermine]

i like the family surname system though that kinji suggested, BDO had that and it was neat

[opaque shore]

You in theory would, and I don't think the hidden numbers would appear in lobbies

[tender magnet]

Agreed

[rose lantern]

being known as Daryk#0002 for the rest of eternity would be the worst L lol

[lusty wren]

Arent the numbers hidden in battle.net?

[opaque shore]

Yep.

[rose lantern]

True actually, may as well make it for everyone at that point

[open ermine]

you just gotta go find Daryk#0001 and battle him for supremacy

[opaque shore]

So are the ones in discord, we can clearly not see any numbers in here 🤣

[verbal marsh]

discords number's are more based on account # then name however.

[rose lantern]

i completely glanced over this earlier, this would be so sick. Like different characters are just different members/generations from the same family

[fair copper]

@summer imp i like your recent suggestion. Makes it feel like your reputation for coming out with goods more immersive

[opaque shore]

Others could be ReKaimelar#4795 for example, It wouldn't be something like NFTs or twitter handles where you absolutely own it.
There are huge markets to this day still over twitter handles online.

There are also insane amounts of users that use capital i's as L's

[summer imp]

Thank you! Anything to make progression feel real is always a plus!

[verbal marsh]

yeah there are crazy people out there.

[lusty wren]

LOL @ thinking you own NFT's 😄

[lusty wren]

I also like your idea as long as that is the only thing a "rating" is used for

[fair copper]

What else did you mean

[unkempt walrus]

It would be cool if they made all items in the game NFTs

That way you could know for sure that it’s 1 of 1

[verbal marsh]

think thats part of reason swg shut down.

[lusty wren]

On a database sure 😄

[stiff atlas]

@summer imp your suggestion would be a great addition along side the planned quests for the merchants, where the more quests you finish their dialogue would expand.

[rancid pebble]

Im still hoping for face to face interaction with the merchants

[visual goblet]

goddamn mrbeanz being cringe asking for real money paytowin all the time

pay to win = why play?

[opaque shore]

It's okay to dislike their suggestions, but there's no need to call them "cringe"! Just know we are always watching these channels and If things need to be done they will. 👍

[wintry forge]

Maybe at lvl 20 you can pick a subclass.

[rancid pebble]

"we are always watching"

[opaque shore]

I'm in your walls.

[rancid pebble]

lmaop

average rogue

[open ermine]

maybe could be you get either a skillpoint for the talent tree thing or multiclass level, probably way to earlier to pinpoint it since the devs have said " we are going to approach it with caution"

[wintry forge]

If there is username wipe, wouldn't you be able to choose the same one again?

[opaque shore]

Indeed, but streamers / troubadours won't have that same luck If they keep playing the game repeatedly

[summer imp]

Thanks for the positive feedback guys! I agree, rating shouldn't affect actual gameplay

[lucid root]

I'm surprised I got something remotely close to my name

[pseudo wing]

suggest replace rubysilver gear with sapphiresilver gear because blue>red 🙂

[lucid root]

Settled with b0rg

[open ermine]

why not have both? change up the sapphiresilver to sapphiregold though and make sapphire nodes obtainable with w/e magic tools they plan to add down the road so we can have a twin set obtainable through mining or magic of red vs blue

[pseudo wing]

ya i'm guessing somewhere down the road there will be a bunch of different types of stuff to mine/gather

[wintry forge]

Why couldn't all of a players characters just have their name be the players account username?

[tender magnet]

I don't want to be named "Jax" on all my characters

my wizard deserves a name like "erectile dysfunctioner"

And my rogue deserves a name like "spy from tf2"

A joke, but the naming system does need changed I agree

[lucid root]

MagicPISSILE

[tender magnet]

^

[summer imp]

Is there a character limit to names?

[lucid root]

I think there was?

Just crash the server making your name 9999 repeating

[summer imp]

Every kill you get is a dungeon wide flash bang

[wintry forge]

Maybe they're approaching it with caution is because if they have it one way during a playtest, but then change the system later, they could upset lots of people that like the system. I'd like to test out the training tree in the next playtest, and I wouldn't mind if they change it later because it is a playtest.

[open ermine]

yeah in D&D 3.5e (no exp with 5e myself) multiclassing isn't generally a good idea outside of roleplaying purposes, in this game though it could end up breaking balance very easily

i can imagine if it's just a literal you can get the perks/skills of another class you'd see a ton of classes just splicing wiz or rogue for stealth options

it'll be interesting regardless to see how it plays out

[rocky oar]

How is multiclassing in DnD not a good idea? It lets you do so much more than just being stuck with one class and do so many different builds

[open ermine]

solo classes mostly were always stronger when i played, only ones i ever saw people enjoy multi classing were people who started with fighter typically

[rocky oar]

Oh bro you don't even know

[open ermine]

particularly i think anything that was a core spellcaster you'd wanna just stay as the caster

[rocky oar]

Solo classes are so weak compared multi-classing unless you legitimately have 0 clue as to what your doing

[open ermine]

wait which edition btw?

[rocky oar]

5e

[open ermine]

i never got into 4e-5e

i played 3.5e and a bit of pathfinder

[rocky oar]

I've only played 5e for reference

[open ermine]

so if it recieved massive buffs then i wouldnt know

[rocky oar]

Multi-classing is insanely fun in 5e and a lot of the classes are extremely underwhelming when you get to the end-game levels so you are way better off multi-classing

[open ermine]

yeah in 3.5e multiclassing was really like, either extremely specific in what you wanted or it was a big loss

only time i saw it benefit people was people who picked fighters thinking fighters are cool

and then being sad that every other class has such a stronger/more fun kit than them

so they either re-rolled or picked up a level of monk

[open ermine]

one thing i will say about 5e is that i hope the devs are drawing from that spell list

cause i would like to see them add grease to this game

if only to watch people slide off ledges

[rocky oar]

It looks like they are for the most part but it looks like they are pulling mainly the very tropy spells that are always used in dnd for the most part

[wintry forge]

They did say they've only been thinking about the basics so far though. I'm referencing what sdf said about the weapons.

[mossy ruin]

uhm

its good

at least in 5e

[upbeat pewter]

Multiclassing gives some of the most broken characters in DnD. In general, its roleplaying and not wanting to minmax or break content that stops people from multiclassing.

The coffeelock has effectively unlimited spells, for example.

[open ermine]

is that more 5e stuff?

[upbeat pewter]

Whats wrong with 5e, exactly?

Its the DnD most people will know.

[open ermine]

nothing my exp was entirely with 3.5e

[upbeat pewter]

Thats fair. Ive always wanted to look into 3.5e

[open ermine]

probably should have clarified that from the get go cause i already discussed multiclassing with linsung and how 5e seems to have made it much more effective

[upbeat pewter]

But my DM will likely go full homebrew over 3.5

[open ermine]

that's the way really

[upbeat pewter]

Yeah, its just a balancing act really

[open ermine]

3.5e is extremely flexible

[upbeat pewter]

This game is also different. Could be really broke

[open ermine]

yeah thats what was thinking as well depending on how they handle it it could break the horses back

[upbeat pewter]

Best to have faith in the devs to balance things, really

[rocky oar]

It be fine

At the end of the day

People are gonna play whatever they want even if it sucks compared to other classes

[open ermine]

true, and even with potential balance issues i'd still love to see it in action

[rocky oar]

To be honest

Everything is in a decent spot except for Wiz and a little bit of ranger

[quiet orbit]

dont forget everyone

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[visual goblet]

😠

valentines is Dark and Darker for me 😄

[rocky oar]

pfft

[visual goblet]

only

[rocky oar]

my wife just games and watches anime like me

we are 100% staying home as usual

[floral flare]

@terse girder inspired by your suggestion Suggestion ID: 1549890

[upbeat pewter]

imagine using suggestions to give advice to people. should be banned.

[void knoll]

better than this shit #d-and-d-suggestions message

[upbeat pewter]

id prefer a bad suggestion over something thats bloating the channel

though i find it funny thats theres someone whos only suggestions, almost daily are desperately wanting p2w

[pliant halo]

Those are memes

[upbeat pewter]

then its not a suggestion. should be banned.

[pliant halo]

Technically those are suggestions

[upbeat pewter]

theres so much bloat in the channel, its really annoying.

[mossy ruin]

Life goes on, I recommend just letting it go.

Suspense is stressing me out with this long message time. 👀

[cosmic thistle]

Dang I didn't expect so many casuals to be hanging around the suggestions tab this late.

[wintry forge]

Yeah. I think some people are just posting in the suggestion channel because they think they're being funny or they're trying to annoy people. I think there should be a rule that the suggestions need to be serious requests. Removing suggestions is up to the Wardens discretion, but a lot of suggestions are obviously not serious suggestions. The Wardens can dm people who they think might be trolling to determine if they are, and time out or ban the ones that are trolls. (I'm not a Warden, so I don't know if they already do this.)

[mossy ruin]

Casuals? triggered 😠😡

[wintry forge]

@fair badge Would you explain this more?
https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486/1065537787694170142

[upbeat pewter]

yeah, they dont seem to be removing them though. might be though, who knows. be nice if there were no non-serious and blacklist the repeat offenders.

people dont generally care about rules that arnt enforced xD

[small kestrel]

cmon man the wizard spells dont make yall sad?

[wintry forge]

It's frustrating when I get one shot, but I've never played as Wizard so I don't have an opinion.

[small kestrel]

the fire one makes me very very sad

[open ermine]

MR's going to be added at some point so i'd wait till after that before messing with damage values

[small kestrel]

true

[faint dirge]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
bro balancing will be adressed

no need to make suggestion for that

[wintry forge]

@halcyon island I have one problem with your suggestion. You said you can only give rep to a player once. What if you play with a rando and he's nice, you give him good rep and play again, then he murders you, but you already gave him good rep.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[halcyon island]

oh sorry forgor to mention you can change it any time

but i cant edit cause cooldowwn

i will edit it as soon as posible

[smoky yoke]

@wintry forge Nice suggestion but If i'm not wrong, it works in that way as well
but i should test in the next playtest when it will be available.
i always tought pickpocket worked also with enemies but i may be wrong

[iron fractal]

you get the prize of most lunatic and or irrelevant suggestions hands down @wintry forge 👍

[smoky yoke]

according to an old message from a Ironmace developer, you can steal a random item from an enemy if you can close enough to them

but maybe perhaps meant enemies as (real human players)

@wintry forge ah i misread, i partially agree with the rarity but not with the fact you can steal also their equipped items lol

[wintry forge]

Yeah, right now it's just a random item, and people think it's a weak perk, so I'm trying to buff it. Also, it'd be fun to have a chance to steal equipped armor off players.

[wintry forge]

I've had a lot of suggestions people have liked, and I don't see how my suggestions are irrelevant.

[smoky yoke]

It's a perk that is not very reliable imo, just a fun perk to try to use while being friendly.

[iron fractal]

a lot of likeminded crazy people/kids/trolls are there when theres thousands of people in the discord.

[smoky yoke]

Hey, you can disagree the idea, but do not attack the person personally.

Be respectful please, thank you

[iron fractal]

yeah, still dont know if his suggestions are troll posts or if he actually thinks theyre realistic. completely game breaking or irrelevant in my eyes. ONE of them actually i upvoted!

[wintry forge]

I wouldn't be opposed to leaving off the part about stealing equipped items. If you stole the person's most valuable item it'd be better than it is now, and I think more people would use it.

[smoky yoke]

I think when/if they will add VOIP (voice chat) it may have a new meaning the pickpocket perk, where you try to steal their items while being friendly.
But I think after a while people will notice when someone uses the pickpocket perk.
I think personally the pickpocket perk should be at least useable while being invisible.

[wintry forge]

I like the idea of it being usable while invisible. Right now people who use Rogue are using him as a fighter, but if Pickpocket was stronger then people could run Rogue builds as a thief.

[steady cloud]

I wish people would listen to this 😢

They keep attacking for no reason !

Just downvote and move on ?!

[smoky yoke]

this is actually something that one of the developer said in this discord once, they wanted people to build rogue as thief if they wanted actually.
here an old message which is possible to find by krapst78

Hahaha yeah i agree but we wanted players to build their rogue like a thief if they wanted
And this is just the start, we know that these perks arent super balanced right now

perks may be subject to change, so we will see.

[wintry forge]

Thanks.

[smoky yoke]

I like the fact there are also some perks (useful or not), merely just for roleplay.
and imo there should be more perks like that

[mossy ruin]

The useless perks can easily be adjusted and made useful

[iron fractal]

why should there be any perks for roleplay in a pvp full loot game?

[smoky yoke]

yea, they would probably balance them anyway

[mossy ruin]

because more is good/fun sometimes people wanma be silly

[smoky yoke]

I'd say choice, as in you are not forced to pick them
And maybe just for roleplay, for content creation also, there are infinity possibilities.

Content creators used pickpocket just for fun, and it worked sometimes.

[iron fractal]

i'd hate to have rp players in the lobby instead of having actual players to have fights with. isnt dnd/other rp games out there for rp enjoyers?

[smoky yoke]

yea honestly I don't mind if there are "troll" perks.
people are free to use the meta perks lol

[smoky yoke]

even in mordhau (pvp game) there are bards that just want to have fun "trolling" with the instrument.
you may find serious fights perhaps in the high roller dungeons where it is supposed to be more competitive. 😄

[iron fractal]

yeah im fine if theyre forced to play normal and not ruin HR lobbies.

[smoky yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_F1BtscWk

look at this, this is funny lol

[smoky yoke]

probably there will be only people that want to have fun just in normal dungeons, I wouldn't be worried much.

also I hope they will make bard something like that, where you can play the instrument just for fun.

[mossy ruin]

You act like its going to be a big deal or ruin your experience because someone is RPing. If anything I am positive youd enjoy a refreshing attempt someone makes playing the game differently. Its not commonplace where RPing is common anyways. Like we already had people pretend to be skeletons and troll newer players. I also ran into 'Mike Tython,' a rogue who only used fists.

[smoky yoke]

Yeah true, also that was fun actually
people using the skeleton skins to blend with the pve mobs lol

[iron fractal]

as ive stated before it would ruin my experience. just like naked knife runners in tarkov for an example take away a player slot of the lobby from a player who actually would play the game and not rp/troll.

[vale hound]

I'm a little bit shocked how many good suggestions are being downvoted... The last couple of sug. from Suspense for example were all really cool, but people seem to don't want the game like that...

[mossy ruin]

You overly fixate in my opinion. Its more loot anyways if they dont try in the same fashion. Tarkov nakeds were stupid, I am glad they introduced cursed tagging, but thats not relevant that it was fixed in Tarkov, nor is it relevant to the convo of RPing.

[iron fractal]

i barely care about the loot - i care about the PvP experience. it is a trash experience if its not competetive. theres different ways people think i get that.

[mossy ruin]

Well, I do understand your point, and I also like the PvP experience, but I welcome the other stuff. I do not expect like any actual PvP ruining stuff. I mean fist rogue is fast, but silly. As long as they are still being strategic and using their perks to play, idgaf. If a lot of people end up not 'playing' the game, yeah itll suck, but that aint gunna happen, this game is too rad, literally dont sweat it.

[pliant halo]

Mordhau and Chivalry exist, you know?

[rocky oar]

Not having RP is the same reason why people don't want Solo and Duo que, it splits the player base

[iron fractal]

hopefully it'll stay a hardcore full loot pvp game as it clearly seems to be made like. i just see so many people requesting for complete BS that I'd hate to see in the game.

[mossy ruin]

I can't think of a relevant way to RP atm that infringes on anything ATM except pretending to be a door using Pavise shield.

[vale hound]

@pliant halo great idea! I'll get some heads rollin now

[mossy ruin]

I think you are joining a bit l8 convo, just talking about players who might use off meta perks to do something cool. Like RP as a pickpocket, ofc theyd still defend themselves but might pickpocket and run.

[iron fractal]

thats how i personally like it. keep the rp in other games. dont split the playerbase to sitting in taverns to rp/having shooting ranges/pve mode or anything silly like that. the more people are actually in the rounds playing the game the better.

[smoky yoke]

yeah, that was the the thing, different playstyles.

[vale hound]

pavise shield is useless in melee, at least rogues can just stab through it.

[rocky oar]

It's more of a shield for PvE

[mossy ruin]

maybe we were talking past each other, I dont think true scenario RP will exist in DaD its not really supporting that in any fashion

[mossy ruin]

If they fix it, the wall will exist

[iron fractal]

yet a a lot of people are trying to get their rp voices out there demanding completely irrelevant stuff for a pvp game. hopefully devs stick to their own ideas and dont look at the suggestion channel almost at all.

[mossy ruin]

Where was an RP suggestion you dislike?

[vale hound]

good thing is, you can't do anything else while holding that shield. So you are just a harmless turtle plus vulnerable if there is more than one enemy.

[iron fractal]

bro theres too many to count past month. scroll the channel if you want to lose braincells im done with it😂

[mossy ruin]

People 100% will grief and die with you to circle just to block doors if they fix it, i would probably too

Actually, imagine fighter going to a door, quaffing invis to break agroo to enemy player, then walling door, too funny, but thatd be an issue

[vale hound]

i think a knockbacking kick could be the answer to this, or some kind of "makeshift bomb" that you can throw and does damage throug shields!

[rocky oar]

wiz counters all

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[loud matrix]

Some of the suggesters here really remind me of playground bullies who'd run to the teachers if that kid they were bullying fights back.

[faint dirge]

Most of the suggesters should be banned from suggestions

[vale hound]

@loud matrix those were the worst

[timber sigil]

anyone who makes those blatant brainrot suggestions for all the micro transactions should be prohibited from continuing to torment our eyes with that sludge

[faint dirge]

Sadly there are more trolls than normal people

[runic axle]

just do your duty and ignore them and downvote their joke

[white hinge]

just because people don’t think the same like you don’t make them a troll!

[junior hawk]

What you just suggested is just pay to win and nothing more

A kda system can be placed to have good players match good players

What you suggest has nothing to do with good players being lvl 20.

Only that those with money can be lvl 20

[faint dirge]

Good players have money

[junior hawk]

He meant real money

[faint dirge]

I know

If your bad in a video game yo7 cant have irl money

Impossible

[junior hawk]

I am not even willing to go in discussion with someone that things like that.
The barrier of paying 50-60$ just to play fair with others will pull away many people off

[faint dirge]

Bro

[junior hawk]

The game will be in a box-price already

[faint dirge]

He is just trolling

There is nothing serious going on

[junior hawk]

Well, I might had taken it too seriously then

[mortal carbon]

i can see this game go for 15-20 bucks

[steady cloud]

I think 60$ is good per month

Subcsripton

[mortal carbon]

made a swarm/circle/portal suggestion change, anyone wanna discuss it?

[neon meadow]

depending on how far the game gets developed, could easily be 40-60. Just needs to be finished

[steady cloud]

I dont like it

[mortal carbon]

elaborate

[steady cloud]

Its not good

[mortal carbon]

troll

[steady cloud]

?

Why u want remove circle ?

It make no sense

[mortal carbon]

i explained why in the comments.

[steady cloud]

How u stop campers

Camping for 10 hour

In the dark in the maze

[neon meadow]

I also agree that the suggestion is not good, removing the circle will take a large aspect of the rush feeling out of the game

[steady cloud]

Game dont end ?

[mortal carbon]

my brain cant handle this level of troll

[neon meadow]

No one is trolling

[steady cloud]

Servers cant handle the amount of games if people can just camp and dont let sesison end

Then no one can play the game

[mortal carbon]

yeah you both are trolling

[steady cloud]

?

Someone dont like ur suggestion = troll

[neon meadow]

The game would end, he's just saying remove the circle. So the timers would still be going

[steady cloud]

Ok i see how it is

[ionic mango]

it would give for way less encounters and and much boring overall games

[steady cloud]

How ? No circle = can camp forever ?

[ionic mango]

circle does the game justice, even tho it has some room to be tweaked

[neon meadow]

In addition, static portals would just create campers, the idea of removing the circle plus adding static extracts just makes camping a thing

[steady cloud]

Yes

[neon meadow]

Because the game has a timer.

[mortal carbon]

campers, you then have the option to fight them, run to the other portal, or run trough the portal.

[steady cloud]

Ok i will camp at static portal spawn until 1 minet then kill players who want to leave then loot and leave ?

Why farm ?

[ionic mango]

there would be 20 min games where i wouldnt run into anyone if the whole map was always available, or where a portal would have 5x hunter traps in them

[mortal carbon]

that is how the game is right now too, so i dont see a change

[steady cloud]

Yes

[neon meadow]

Can't run through a portal that's not open? It's just not a good idea mate, a large draw of the game is having the circle closing on you and not allowing such tactics

[steady cloud]

How u camp if portals are random spawn ?

Ur trolling

[ionic mango]

Desolent i got a genious idea

how about paying 2$ for each suggestion?

[steady cloud]

Why ?

[neon meadow]

6 other people have downvoted your suggestion, so it's likely we're not trolling and the idea just isn't good

[mortal carbon]

i would like to have a genuine discussion, but you are just trolling, so i wont bother typing with you.

[ionic mango]

to give more money to devs, oh right and then u get ingame bonus stat of course

[steady cloud]

Downvote = troll ok kid i see how it is

[ionic mango]

@mortal carbon my guy u caught him on the only day hes not trolling, ur just not able to counter his arguments, big L

[steady cloud]

Ok if u get stats its good

[hollow flicker]

In most games the Wizard is the master of Stealth, But in this game it feels like second place compared to Rogue, A rogue can use invisibility for free and stay invisible for 40 seconds, Where as the Wizard has to expend a level 4 spell just to stay invisible for 4 seconds. It would be nice if the Wizard's invisibility could last longer. Maybe it could last 10 seconds? Just some kind of buff to put the Wizard back in the #1 when it comes to stealth.

[mortal carbon]

whoms arguments, id love to discuss the suggestion i made.

[neon meadow]

Wizard stealth is significantly more powerful than rogue. You cast it and can move un hindered. Where as a rogue can only move with the addition of a perk

[ionic mango]

hes already told u, it would lead to more boring games, less encounters, and intense camping with no effort to farm cause u can cash in on how poorly the escapes are, how do you deal with that

[opaque shore]

Hello, please be polite to each other. Don't escalate an argument into a fight 👍

[neon meadow]

This. @mortal carbon you're too close to the idea to see it's not very strong

[steady cloud]

he said he want to make discuss his suggestion but when i tell him i dont like it he says im trolling ?

[ionic mango]

Yo desolent, out of curiosity, how old are you friend

[steady cloud]

32

[opaque shore]

Just don't talk back like "ok kid", It's demeaning.

[ionic mango]

🫡

[mortal carbon]

what are you saying, that removing the sawm/cricle would cause a less encounter with people?

[hollow flicker]

Invis on Wiz is a completely different use case than Rogue, they aren't even comparable.

[ionic mango]

Of course, the circle pushes people into the middle, how is that hard to understand? xD

[steady cloud]

ok but i dont like his suggestion 👎

[mortal carbon]

the guy is clearly trolling, he did not even read the suggestion ive made.

[hollow flicker]

So many Rogues arguing in bad faith for buffs

[ionic mango]

if u remove the circle, the whole map is available for 20 min and theres just people hiding in corners of the map

[neon meadow]

Wiz invis is very powerful escape tool, rogue invis is a preparation tool

[ionic mango]

@neon meadow its both tbh, people on wiz flame their weapons and use invis to close the distance

and if u speed up before invis, u can walk like 5x the amount a rogue can

[neon meadow]

Yes, which is why i said wizard invis is far more powerful than rogue

[ionic mango]

oh missed that one

just meant ot say it wasnt just escape

[mortal carbon]

yes, the whole map would be available for 20 minutes, i would then suggest, its 15 minutes before the blue portals are closed, and the only way out is either killing the boss in the area, to go to the next floor.

[opaque shore]

Just try to be nice to each other, friendly warning. 🙂 Thanks.

[mortal carbon]

im not the douche here

[surreal plover]

How does one make a suggestion

[neon meadow]

No thank you, you just create situations where you create even less PvP and further stagnate games for literally no reason

[mortal carbon]

#1048762118255673428

[ionic mango]

i think the circle can be improved on, but the basis of it is good, the best alternative ive heard so far is a corruption that consumes the rooms instead of a circle, cause it wouldnt leave a circle inside the wall or be on the corners of 4 differnt rooms

[mortal carbon]

i dont believe in that, why would it become less pvp?

[ionic mango]

@mortal carbon we explained it to you over and over again, how are u forgetting it already

[neon meadow]

Because people aren't being pushed into a smaller circle. The circle literally forces combat due to being literally pushed into other people

[ionic mango]

more area to play = less pvp

no pressure to move = no pvp

[mortal carbon]

the preassure is escape or kill boss to get to the next area.

[ionic mango]

its a window of 20 min pressure...

u have anywhere between 1 min and 20 to do that

thats not pressure

[mortal carbon]

have you guys played escape from tarkov?

[neon meadow]

There is no pressure without the circle, you could just wait or camp. Now there is no argument you're capable of making

yes, the same thing applies in tarkov. You can camp in a corner for 45 mins and extract. Which is what we don't want

[mortal carbon]

yeah but the timer is 15 minutes before the blue portal closes, that are inwards on the map, thus it would force you to move

i dont see that it would cause you not to have no preassure

[neon meadow]

you don't have to move for 14 mins then, as opposed to every 2-3 min now

[neon meadow]

Because you're too close to the idea to think about it rationally

[mortal carbon]

the circle has been 0 issues for me in this game

[ionic mango]

then why do u want to remove it?

[neon meadow]

☝️

[ionic mango]

if its hurting everyone else, but not hurting you

[faint dirge]

Byuurn your saying pick 3x ranger camp in room forever wait on unlucky ppl who step in your traps and wait till in 14

[ionic mango]

you probably want to keep it

[faint dirge]

He wants the best game not the best for him

[mortal carbon]

no, what im saying is that the static portal would cause less rng if you actually survived your "raid"

[neon meadow]

You're the only one whom thinks the idea has merit, meaning it probably doesn't

[ionic mango]

but controlled rng is fun

and adds replayability

if every match is, go to where boss is, go to where u know the portal is, after 20 runs im done

[mortal carbon]

that is how the game is right now, but just with rng if you get a portal

[neon meadow]

Finding an escape is a fair bit of the fun, if they were locked in one spot it would be boring. Anyone having issues finding a portal is simply wasting time doing other things

[neon meadow]

except it's not how the game is. There are random portals and a circle that doesn't let you stay in one room for the whole duration of the game. Pleas take your L

[mortal carbon]

sorry, but you are not making a good case for your cause not to have this suggestion taken into consideration.

[neon meadow]

You're just not seeing reason, several people have countered your argument and you're only response is "i don't see it"

[mortal carbon]

you say it will make people camp, and less pvp. and i dont agree with that

[ionic mango]

ok we talked about the problems ur suggestions would bring, lets move on from that

lets talk about the positive sides ur suggestion would bring

what are they?

[neon meadow]

Because you're not thinking rationally. No pressure to move + static portal, why wouldn't someone trap + camp the room?

[mortal carbon]

but there is pressure, you just don't see it.

time is one, loot is the other.

[ionic mango]

its less pressure than what the current game has, 4x less pressure is what hes saying

[neon meadow]

Name 1 bit of pressure when i'm at a portal and no circle is moving me away from it

[mortal carbon]

time, and loot.

[ionic mango]

u cant use time as pressure, since ur reducing the relation between time and pressure by A LOT with ur suggestion

[neon meadow]

Players who looted would go to the portal and once they're full and i'm sititng there camping. So i get their loot and had to do none of the looting, removing the majority of my risk

[mortal carbon]

and if you are in a bad spot, someone maybe is guardian the blue portal to fight whoever is wanting to escape.

[ionic mango]

so if ur giving the players 15 min worht of time, u have to create the pressure somewhere else, where is it

[mortal carbon]

people are already camping blue portals, i dont see the difference.

[ionic mango]

i have over 80 hours on the game

and have never seen anyone camp a portal

[neon meadow]

Because they're camping the portals for maybe 2 mins and having to risk their lives the entire game to that point. your suggestion means i can rush to a portal spawn and camp it for 15 mins

[mortal carbon]

i got hours too

[ionic mango]

the current circle, simply does not allow u to viabily camp a portal

[mortal carbon]

yes, if that is your strategy, why not. but if there is more than 3 static location on the map, you have 1/3 to camp the right one.

there is not many extract campers in tarkov.

[ionic mango]

and we dont want any here in this game

lmao

[neon meadow]

at this point, I would suggest byuurn is incapable of arguing his own point or seeing reason. Thus arguing in bad faith, as several people have thoroughly explained the weaknesses of your bad idea.

[mortal carbon]

you are the only tho

[ionic mango]

i am still to hear the positives of the suggestion tho

what would the suggestion bring to the game?