suggestion-discussion

[scenic storm]

Yea, something to add potentially! Maybe only limit it to regular lobbies, so that the High Rollers dont abuse it?

[rose lantern]

most people go into high roller to loot the gear from bodies bc good gear would be more profitable than an entire inventory of treasure. So honestly even in high roller i don't think it'd be bad just because 90% of the time you're not getting it back lol

[white cliff]

I’m not for any mechanics that remove gear sink.

[opaque shore]

Hello, I don't see any issue here, he's not spamming or trolling.

[rose lantern]

I don't mind it so long as good gear that you insured isn't being magically created for you to get back lol

If someone takes it you lose it, but if not maybe you get it back in insurance. Though i don't know how they could thematically do insurance in this game

[scenic storm]

Just thinking out loud tbh 🙂 But yeah, I dont mind losing gear, but some people might have Gear Fear so this could help people go into it with better gear perhaps. Maybe even putting a red locked icon on each armor piece to show it cant be taken

[rose lantern]

like Tarkov makes sense because the scavs just work with who you insure through, but nothing like that is currently in DaD

[white cliff]

The whole point of the suggestion cooldown you just implemented was to avoid the suggestion spam and or trolling. Posting them in here literally negates that system.

[white cliff]

I’d be livid if I couldn’t take gear from someone.

After killing them.

[rose lantern]

@white cliff i 100% agree, not being able to take gear off someone because it's insured would ruin pvp imo

[scenic storm]

True, but maybe give the player a slightly red aura to show items cant be taken from Equip. Maybe only limit to once per day? Just spit-balling ideas

[opaque shore]

Yes, he is not spamming. He's trying to discuss about it here.

[rose lantern]

Nah, that'd just incentivize people to only play until they lose their gear and then wait for when they get it back. If it were to be implemented just let people loot it but if it's not looted you get it back

[white cliff]

Yes but he also made a suggestion at 9, what’s the point in having a cooldown system if you can avoid it?

[long dawn]

If they wipe 4 times a year I feel like people will use the good gear a little more frequently

[white cliff]

One step forward, two steps back.

[scenic storm]

Dude im not spamming or causing any trouble. Just drop it and move on to the discussion in the 'SUGGESTION DISCUSSION' page

[white cliff]

Yeah and I get that, but you’re not the first person whose done this to avoid the timer.

[scenic storm]

What if im discussing and idea to get feedback to eventually make a SUGGESTION? What if im ironing out the kinks

[lucid root]

Ahh good ol' healthy conflict

[opaque shore]

Drop the topic. If you have any issues refer yourselves to #discord-help, thanks. 👍

[scenic storm]

Maybe change the suggestion timer from like 6 hours to 1 hour

Of course, theres always that one guy smh

[white cliff]

It’s fine.

I got the cooldown to be where it is, I’ll take my wins where I can get them.

No system is perfect.

[scenic storm]

more power to ya

[opaque slate]

yo jkidd is there a reason to disagree with my suggestion?

[white cliff]

Yeah you listed it in your suggestion, it’s a game in play test, there’s about five enemy types in the game.

[scenic storm]

Theyll probably add more next play test hopefully 🙂 I did like seeing the centaur

[opaque slate]

so... you dont want more enemy types?

[white cliff]

Low variety isn’t bad game design for a game that is still being built.

I do, I downvote things for being redundant or obvious.

My downvote isn’t always for things I disagree with.

I downvote VoIP and guild systems all the time.

[scenic storm]

you downvote voip?!

[opaque slate]

its just that games just enemy spam all the time and ruins the experience

[scenic storm]

to each their own

[white cliff]

Yes because I’ve upvoted it 100 times already.

[opaque slate]

i just dont want that in the future

because it seems like its going that way from what i see

[white cliff]

Halo has about 5 enemy types.

I don’t ever feel like there’s an issue.

[opaque slate]

because its a different game?

[white cliff]

^

[scenic storm]

Anyways, what are some stable ideas you would like to see Jkidd?

[opaque slate]

in halo youre master chief, at the mercy of none

[white cliff]

Why bring up different games then?

[opaque slate]

bc enemy spam is bad

its just basics

[white cliff]

And I just listen an example where it isn’t?

[opaque slate]

bro

[white cliff]

Bro

[opaque slate]

atleast they mix them in

[scenic storm]

be patient with him evan

[white cliff]

You misspelt my name.

[opaque slate]

not have the same enemy in every encounter, and are the encounter

the levels are not just completely full of grunts

[white cliff]

Skeleton bats, spiders, skeleton archers, swordsman, mummies, zombies, dragonflies.

Am I forgetting anything.

[opaque slate]

all in the same room?

no.

[white cliff]

A bunch of rooms have variety, and some don’t.

[opaque slate]

have you seen some rooms? its got like 1 enemy type per room

[scenic storm]

goodluck you 2

[opaque slate]

its pretty obvious where effort was put in

[white cliff]

This is the suggestions discussion page it’s meant to be discussed, is what you said about two minutes ago.

[long dawn]

I wonder if we will get a pirate class

[white cliff]

Probably not.

[opaque slate]

thats why were discussing it 🙂

[long dawn]

To the pirate? I thought they are adding all 3e classes

[scenic storm]

yeah until the dam nazi police comes

[opaque shore]

I love that one room with two skeleton archers and a bunch of spider mummies on the ground. It's super fun

[white cliff]

Pirates 3e?

[long dawn]

Yep the swashbuckler

[white cliff]

It’s almost like you have a history of trolling and your last few comments show that lmao.

Nazi police.

Nice.

[opaque slate]

absolutely hate that room as rogue 😦

mainly bc the archers track you during invis

[long dawn]

Not many 3e classes tbh most are sub classes

[opaque shore]

Please do not talk about this topic in here.

[scenic storm]

the nazi police is Jkidd not u nessi

[white cliff]

Obvious troll is obvious, which is why I made the comment in the first place.

Try baiting someone else moron.

[opaque slate]

that wasnt the point

[opaque shore]

The topic is the vulgar word. You've been warned.

[white cliff]

Anyways spamming different enemy types, seems more messy then having thematic rooms with one or two enemy types.

Bats are in the huge room, sewers full of zombies skeletons and drafonflys, skeleton zombies are in the jail room. Etc.

[long dawn]

I mean they could add low level bandits that we could fight

[white cliff]

He’s talking about using the enemies that exist to add variance to rooms.

When you say add new enemies you need to realize what goes into that. Modeling and sculpting, clothing, weapon/character, texturing, rigging, animations, coding-pathing and interactions, ect.

People seem to think a lot of this stuff is willed into existence.

[opaque slate]

okay, thanks for giving a response

but i was thinking about future level/room design

they are going to add more enemies later anyways

[white cliff]

Like I said I think suggesting they add new enemies and rooms is obvious?

[zinc frost]

I want to see different fighting styles

[opaque shore]

Fairly certain sdf mentioned fist fighting from monks in #dev-qna-archives

[scenic storm]

1 per class, what do yall think should be added to each?

[zinc frost]

I meant different sword directions not the martial arts thing

[opaque slate]

ok cool

[long dawn]

Poison blow darts for rogue

[scenic storm]

im a rogue main, that lowkey FIRE!

[long dawn]

A slingshot for cleric would be cool too

[agile condor]

Let’s give Rangers a stealth while we’re at it, it can also be better than rogues

[gaunt scroll]

oh man what did i miss

[long dawn]

I'd like to see some range options with the more utility classes.

[gaunt scroll]

i see a lot drama messages up there

[agile condor]

Pretty typical suggestion-discussion hah

[long dawn]

Yeah some people act like kids or get really passive aggressive the instant you post an idea

[obtuse olive]

No

[opaque shore]

Let's keep the topic to suggestion discussions. 🙂

[long dawn]

I really want to see claws or fist weapons! They could add so many cool weapons can't wait

[obtuse olive]

#d-and-d-suggestions message if you guys could vote for the bounty system suggestion I made, I would appreciate it 🙂

[opaque shore]

Martial Arts is something I've always been a fan of, I can't wait for Monk.

[obtuse olive]

keep in mind the specific bounties I added are just general examples. What I'd like to see is just a pvp bounty system in general that doesn't punish a specific person for being the highest rank in a lobby or a streamer, etc

[void lotus]

i agree with desolent

[long dawn]

Lmao. I can just picture seeing someone getting beaten up by 3 monks I'd die laughing.

[obtuse olive]

I am actually really curious to see what they do with monk

[strange sable]

[opaque shore]

It's my favorite room! So much loot and easy mobs for my ranger 😇

• No one went in there!

[opaque slate]

ranger mains 🤮

[long dawn]

The only class I was afraid of this playtest was other rogues.

Unless I was a fighter then wizards scared the poop outa me

[strange sable]

Rogue mains 🤢🤮💀

[opaque slate]

rogues was just the first role i picked

i maxed all classes and enjoyed them all

[wicked tree]

Crossbow ranger mains 😍

[long dawn]

They nerfed ignite putting the wizard back in balance. Still cant wait to see what spells wiz will get

[strange sable]

They nerfed ignite? When

[obtuse olive]

Ignite wasn't nerfed, it was fixed

[long dawn]

Well either way it was busted. But I bet it was fun while it lasted

[agile condor]

😵 wait, on what? Lol

[obtuse olive]

True, wizzy still sleeper op ngl. people will notice more once ranger gets hit

[long dawn]

People wish they could be OP with Wiz, but he is definitely the hardest to actually play with

You need the skills to make him OP

[rough vapor]

Buffing then invising your fighter before they run into a group is super effective

[obtuse olive]

I agree it's not as easy as most, but I think Rogue is actually hardest to play correctly since you need to dominate your spacing to be really effective with him. With wiz you can at least stand back and run away from people with haste

In a 1vX scenario ofc

[agile condor]

If we give every class stealth, wizard invis becomes less powerful /s

[rough vapor]

Every class can use invis pot to be fair

[long dawn]

True a good rogue play is pure strategy. But you got to respect the wiz spell jugglers

[lucid root]

But then we'd have to make wizards invis last forever

[obtuse olive]

Absolutely dude, I plan on being one myself

[lucid root]

I see some overwatch players do really good with wizard, the skillset carries over I guess

Lot of flicks, flicking up or down to self cast, flicking through spell wheel

Probably any twitchy shooter players would do good

[obtuse olive]

At the very minimum it helps learn the class faster, that's for sure

[lucid root]

Someone suggested a dedicated self cast button but I kind of like having to aim away to self cast

Just a skill you have to learn along the way

[opaque slate]

i havent seen it yet, but itd be funny to accidentaly to buff an invis rogue in a corner

[obtuse olive]

That would be hilarious if it was an actual thing

Probably get reported as a bug or something 🤣

[lucid root]

Imagine the plays, stealing wizard buffs

[obtuse olive]

It's totally possible, I've also seen some people snipe heals or shields from enemy cleric

hell if I'm ever in that situation as a rogue where a cleric is about to buff a teammate, I'm jumping right in there before stabbing him in the face KEK

[agile condor]

I mean I’ve definitely had some cleric teammates accidentally buff pve & PvP enemies we were on the middle of fighting 😅

[obtuse olive]

part of the chaotic nature of hehe, gotta love it. It also must feel great when you can successfully save a teammate that's being surrounded with a sick heal snipe

[lucid root]

A good reason not to implement self cast

Makes it a little more chaotic and fun

[obtuse olive]

for sure, and it adds to the skill ceiling

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message - agreed, just don’t call it another currency, some people will freak out 😅

[white cliff]

The thing that makes invis strong is the ability to reposition and get easy kills.

Pots prevent you from moving.

[obtuse olive]

Nahh what makes invis strong is the ability to catch anyone off guard, repositioning just helps with target selection

[tawny lagoon]

What about making invis reduce movement speed instead of giving it, increasing casting time by 1s or so, giving a 0,5 s delay between invis and your next action?

Not all of those at once, but posible solutions

[white cliff]

Sure the repositioning helps catch people off guard. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[white cliff]

Invis haste?

[tawny lagoon]

Invis

[obtuse olive]

I mean, 10 steps doesn't help that much lool I wish it would be more tbh

[white cliff]

Are we not talking about wizard invis?

[obtuse olive]

Wizzy can't even get 10 steps but they can sprint, that kinda helps

It's all invis, pots, stealth or wizard spell

[white cliff]

Invis, haste is certainly more than ten steps.

[obtuse olive]

Never actually counted but the duration is not that long

[tawny lagoon]

I am talking about how to possibly nerf invis

Haste is 12s base I think

[obtuse olive]

Invis duration (the wizard spell) I meant

It's 4 seconds

[opaque shore]

If the steps were actual solid seconds I'd feel It would've been much better.

You can strategically use those steps, but they won't get you that far like you would get If you just bolted.

[opaque slate]

yall use invis to get out?

[tawny lagoon]

Both get in and out, the arcane mastery perf allows for very fast casting times so…

[obtuse olive]

So like, once you start moving in Rogue stealth with perk, you get 10 seconds to reposition?

[gaunt scaffold]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
I like this, maybe instead of having it in the stash it can be in our hideout or tavern room or something similar?

[vivid rover]

i like the suggestion above the one you linked

[opaque shore]

Yeah, something like that! It would feel genuine rather than just 10 measly steps.

[obtuse olive]

For sure would be better than the current iteration imo. The cooldown is also crazy long for what it does right now

[opaque shore]

I wanted to make it work so bad but It never felt like a good option in comparison to the other skills

[obtuse olive]

I will run it solo, or I will just feel too helpless otherwise

[random tapir]

to be honest i thought everything in the game was incredibly balanced if you didnt you just got skill diffed

[long dawn]

I run rogue so Im allowed to say he needs a dmg nerf

[random tapir]

why? ive killed more rogues than any other class yall were squishy

you need that damage or youre worthless

[long dawn]

Nah. doing over 200dmg is too much imo give me more of a fight. Also buff the barb he lacks in pvp Imo

Other than that after the ignite fix I do agree that they are balanced. Some do require a little more skill to use

[random tapir]

lol i thought everything worked perfect literally its just a skill issue if you had trouble with any of the classes

wizard hurt but it was all placement in fights

[long dawn]

Cant say it's a skill issue if I'm saying kills came to easy with rogue.

That I used

[random tapir]

people fail to realize that Positioning is always 80% of these kind of games

[verbal marsh]

too many people played normal too regularly and think they're good :3

Don't think there was that much competition in high roller either

too many people were busy trolling norms

[long dawn]

Never had a problem out of wiz unless I was a fighter. That boy cant take a fireball that well

[verbal marsh]

I ran into some even match ups for every class aside from rangers who were either im dead or they're dead.

[random tapir]

one of my favorite moments from last play test was a literal 3v3v3v3 happening so intense

[long dawn]

Wiz needs more spell variety and elemental buffs

[verbal marsh]

biggest mistake i made with fighters, was not understanding how many hits they can take with armor and second wind running

[random tapir]

oh and longswords were so strong

[verbal marsh]

nah sword was meh against felling axe

them taking more then 3 hits was my downfall thinking 2 headshots would finish an armored fighter

[long dawn]

The way they are doing spells and equipment the wizard doubles as warlock and the cleric as a paladin. Might as well just keep going with the weapon and spell variety

[verbal marsh]

think cleric more or less has monk skills

[long dawn]

I guess it depends on how hard they want to stick with 3e classes

[verbal marsh]

drop spell casting for smite and judgement and you're good to

[long dawn]

Like I doubt they will do every 3e classes

[obtuse olive]

Nerf rogue more sheesh, poor Rogue

[long dawn]

Specially if they decide to do necromancer

[verbal marsh]

Wizard does feel more like a warlock now that you mention it, haste + invis feels like im readying shadowstep.

zap a little eldrich blaste, to inferno

[long dawn]

Its weird they way they did the wizard. No complaints but they could just make him both and give him like 5 more spells to choose from

[verbal marsh]

Hopefully they add a concentration mechanic for maintaining multiple buffs.

Maybe have STR influence concentration for casters, 10 str to maintain a 2nd buff on players. Hrm.

Then Knowledge can influence skill cooldowns for other classes hrm.

[long dawn]

Getting random skill buffs on equipment would actually help then

[verbal marsh]

Would give more variety yeah

would force ignite wiz to kinda spec for it.

cleric already has decent base str so wouldn't overly effect their spells

[opaque slate]

#d-and-d-suggestions message i cant tell if people genuinely think having low enemy variety is a bad idea, or just following the downvote trend brainlessly without reading

[barren wing]

I believe the developers have already stated mob variety is going to increase. I think people forget the game is still “alpha” and being worked on.

[opaque slate]

yeah this was addressed in my suggestion

[barren wing]

Well with a limited pool of mobs it’s difficult to add variety “per room”. IMO the mob variety for the last playtest was fine based on the design of each room.

[wintry forge]

I just want the AI health nerfed. It's annoying that it takes a few hits to kill a zombie or skeleton with a quality weapon. That'll get old fast.

[opaque shore]

I myself think mobs being a challenge even If It's just bulky health count adds to the game a ton

[wintry forge]

Giving AI more health doesn't increase the difficulty imo. It just makes the game more annoying.

[barren wing]

What do you mean by a quality weapon? I saw huge differences between using a white bow and a purple bow when headshotting mobs. It was like 4-5 hits vs. 2

Or even 1 depending on the mob

[opaque slate]

idk bro, some rooms were literally just ONE type of enemy, ex: that corner room with mummies, or the few rooms with just zombies in it- it might make sense thematically in the room setting, but it wouldnt have killed the mood to add atleast another type

[opaque shore]

This is accurate, the first time I one shotted a Death Skull I felt like the 🐐 of Rangers

[barren wing]

Yeah it’s a great feeling

[wintry forge]

Death skulls have low health compared to zombies and skeletons.

[barren wing]

Skeleton archers can be 1 shot in the head

[opaque slate]

they shouldnt be that easy to kill yknow

[supple forge]

? reducing enemy health will definitely make the game easier. More enemy health = more opportunities to make mistakes and take damage

[agile condor]

The AI health only seems high when you're using crap weapons - get a decent weapon and you start 1-2 shooting most enemies

[opaque slate]

yeah

[agile condor]

And I think I like it like this

[smoky yoke]

I feel the same

[wintry forge]

I just want the focus to be more on the PvP, because right now the AI isn't fun to fight. I know Ironmace is trying to improve the AI, but we'll see in February I guess.

[opaque slate]

oh you became a warden @smoky yoke ? or am i trippin

[agile condor]

Also I'm not talking like a well rolled purple hah, like literally any green weapon will start to cut through all AI easily

[agile condor]

grats!

[barren wing]

Even a well rolled green is huge

[agile condor]

I think I've seen more Warden engagement in this channel today than ever before haha

[smoky yoke]

ty

[scenic storm]

i wont kool kolor name

[agile condor]

You can P2W

Boost the server

[scenic storm]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-nah-tired-i-dont-feel-like-it-gif-14008945

[agile condor]

See

EZ

LOL

[scenic storm]

:))

[opaque slate]

congrats mate

[smoky yoke]

thank you 🙂

[opaque slate]

now buff rogues 🙂

[finite tide]

No just need to nerf everything real quick

[agile condor]

I'd rather buff everything else than nerf ranger lol

[finite tide]

Ah a wizord

It’s not that ai isn’t fun it just isn’t rewarding enough and it’s too brutal imo

[white cliff]

The AI really isn’t tough.

[barren wing]

Living is the reward

[white cliff]

I always bring up this, but extract looters don’t have a big audience. When you add 30-40k casual players on top of that, who are all dying to AI because they don’t know they’re suppose to preserve health and not greed, that’s where skewed opinions come from.

It’s a loud complaint from people who just need to play more.

[agile condor]

AI is pretty easy

[white cliff]

Not every game needs to be easy or should be easy. Most things should have a skill ceiling.

[barren wing]

Yeah it’s called dark and darker for a reason. It’s supposed to be brutal

[agile condor]

Soft & Softer

[barren wing]

Don’t let em know how easy it actually is

Lmao

[finite tide]

Skill tree and quests will help incentivize pvm so ain’t worried about it just as it is now there’s no content so the preferred method is to skip mobs it has nothing to do with the game being hardcore

[white cliff]

When people complain about the wraith, I always tell them. Step to the right.

[agile condor]

Like yea, stuff can kill you - but once you learn the AI it's pretty easy in it's current state. I think enemies need to hit hard because of that too.

[white cliff]

I think if we’re talking about hardest mobs, Centaurs without cheese, Demon bats, and the two bosses.

Things that guarantee hits.

[finite tide]

Spooders are tougher then skullbies tho

[smoky yoke]

I had troubles with the skeleton champion sometimes also

[white cliff]

Skullbies?

[barren wing]

Centaurs were impossible for me I had to just run

[opaque shore]

Skeleton champions were worse than Wraiths for me, their shield was soooo annoying

[smoky yoke]

[barren wing]

Demon bats weren’t that hard to kite tho

[smoky yoke]

same for me, very tanky too

[white cliff]

Sure you can run them around, but if you’re stuck in that one hell room with the gates it’s really annoying.

[opaque shore]

I had an easy time on all hell mobs after the 3rd or 4th time I went down. Learning their patterns and AI was very helpful

[white cliff]

There’s not too many of them in the game.

[finite tide]

I just learned ignite was busted I could’ve been a lot better wonder if they gonna fix that

[white cliff]

What specifically?

They fixed the ignite bonus for magic missiles.

[finite tide]

Yeah the bonus damage applied to spells oh that’s right I Remember reading that in the patch notes but I didn’t know what it was at the time

Still adds magic damage based on magical power tho right?

To melee

[white cliff]

Which is why wizard was taking the slot as assassin from the rogue.

Haste invis ignite.

[finite tide]

Rouge who

[white cliff]

The class.

Wizard was a better assassin basically.

[opaque slate]

[opal sparrow]

@white cliff can I ask why you downvoted?

[white cliff]

Seems like a huge use of time to design an entirely new mini boss and mechanics for a single room that has niche uses. It’s pretty hard to find specific rooms anyways and hells usually a crunch with circle speed, good luck killing a boss and reviving your teammates. If they’re already dead I think you have bigger problems anyways, and probably can’t kill that boss period.

[agile condor]

Kinda agree, we already have the rez mechanic, idk

[white cliff]

Just add an alter somewhere.

[opal sparrow]

Its just a mini boss , and it will be rewarding in the end if you managed to kill it, I agree theres a problem with the circle speed tho never take it into account that part

[white cliff]

Sure replace my word usage of boss with mini boss.

Pretty sure I used the words mini boss at the beginning though.

It just doesn’t seem needed.

I’d rather production time and development be used elsewhere.

Downvotes aren’t really a disagreement for me honestly, I use them on good suggestions if they’re redundant like VOIP or trade systems, or what I think isn’t needed.

I think there’s certainly a lot of interesting ideas, but the company has designers for a reason.

I trust RnD especially from ironmace.

[opaque slate]

#d-and-d-suggestions message what is going on in this one

[lucid root]

Idk

[opaque shore]

Seems like a great suggestion to me. 🤣

[opaque slate]

[agile condor]

I think we've accepted these types of suggestions now lol

[opaque slate]

theyre trying to say something but are just incoherent

[white cliff]

It’s somebody I have blocked.

I should start monetizing my block list and sell it to people who want to use the suggestion channel in peace!

The trolls always upvote each other though, they’re easy to find.

[lucid root]

Well said koko

[frosty creek]

hi guys i made suggest

btw its just example it can be anything

[opaque slate]

sometimes the trolls upvote my suggestions and it worries me

[lucid root]

I like jokey killfeed descriptions

They just get more and more gruesome and ridiculously descriptive the more kills you get

Where does your hatred come from?

[ionic mango]

cant believe people want rainbow effects and killstreaks on a slow paced medieval game

slowly losing all faith

[lucid root]

I think he means just on the killfeed, he also said it didn't have to be that specifically

[agile condor]

Lol same 😄

I'm curious... what is a "Rainbow sound"?

[smoky yoke]

Please be polite.

[lucid root]

Whoaaa congrats on mod

Person who's name I can't pronounce

[granite plinth]

'Silmeria'

[lucid root]

Very cool

[smoky yoke]

Thank you 🙂

[prisma acorn]

thoughts on my suggestion on keeping the storage space small? i like it because it makes your runs count. you are encouraged to take your looted gear with you on the next raids instead of hoarding it

[lucid root]

Yeah it's good, it's a core design I think

[lusty wren]

Offer 2 purple longswords

[white cliff]

Rolls?

[lusty wren]

Absolutely shit

😄

[wintry forge]

What do you think about the idea of losing a character level after 10 deaths? I think this will make achieving high levels more rewarding.

[ionic mango]

O.o

[prisma acorn]

i think it would reward very passive behaviour, ratting etc

imo the moments where i went borderline suicidal yet managed to live were the best moments in the game. would never do that with a death cap

however, adding hardcore characters (like your suggestion, or with 1 death = delete) into the game would be fun. they would share our lobby too maybe

[ionic mango]

you absolutely do not want to add smth to a game, that rewards good players, and makes the game unplayable to noobs

if that went in people would never leave lvl 2 or 3

[lusty wren]

Diablo style hardcore. You die you char is deleted 😄

[lucid root]

I think hardcore characters would be cool

You'd be losing a lot of characters 👀

[lusty wren]

I thin it would be tough to do. I think losing levels is probably better for a "hardcore" char then actual deletion

[ionic mango]

if its optional then yeah

knock urself out

[lucid root]

Or make it like runescape, you get a little hardcore red helm badge for hardcore, when you die it goes to gray

Just a status thing

[lusty wren]

Well ya, I dont think itd be very smart to make it non optional

[lusty wren]

They restrict market also right

[lucid root]

Yeah that'd be cool too for hardcore characters

No player trading

[ionic mango]

@lusty wren if its optional no one would use it

if its forced its a horrible addition

[lusty wren]

I would

[ionic mango]

so theres no real place for it

[lucid root]

I would 😂

[lusty wren]

and borg would

[ionic mango]

i mean thats good

[lusty wren]

thats 2 just right here in this tiny subset of the playerbase

[ionic mango]

until u realise rogues and mages are useless lvl 1 and youll have to go back to that lvl everytime

[prisma acorn]

i really like the suggestion of (optional ofc) hardcore characters. no trading for them is also a great addition. but maybe give them all their skill slots at the beginning, as a kind of balancer? and only after you managed to get every class to lv10 on normal mode

[ionic mango]

in a pvp game why would u realisticly chose to nerf urself and expect to have fun

[lusty wren]

Same reason I do it in other games 😄

Hard is fun

Hard is rewarding

[prisma acorn]

@ionic mango a simple badge in the kill feed would be reward enough for me to play hardcore tbh

[lucid root]

Rock hard! All day!

[prisma acorn]

maybe add a mechanic to hardcore characters where if you kill 1 or 2 enemy players before dying, your character doesnt get deleted. this way it doesnt pressure you into an overly passive/ratty playstyle

[lusty wren]

3 now in this tiny subset of playerbase. So much for no one 😉

[lucid root]

I'm giving the automatic level 20 some thought for hardcore

[lusty wren]

I dont like that

I want a sick title or something for hitting lvl 20 on a hardcore char

[lucid root]

Assuming we get titles

[lusty wren]

Ya,

The immortal or some shit

would be sick

[ionic mango]

yall are lovely

[strange fiber]

no u

[lusty wren]

Dont get me wrong, this is not something id want a bunch of dev time put into. But if they could do it with relative ease. Removing the market, on death x amount of xp is lost (that scales) Id love to try to get some cool titles or badges or soething for it

[ionic mango]

maybe if there was a separate lobby for hardcore players it would make sense

[lusty wren]

Eh, i dont see why it needs to split the playerbase personally

It wouldnt effect gameplay at all outside of the market change and them having less access to high end gear

[ionic mango]

cause ur not being realistic

[lucid root]

You develop an extra kind of gamesense by playing hardcore, it's fun to compare yourself to the more reckless aggressive players

[lusty wren]

How would it effect gameplay?>

[ionic mango]

everyone needs to be on equal footing

[lusty wren]

How would it not be equal footing?

[ionic mango]

suicide attacks? risking attacks?

playing more bold and less consequences

how would it not change gameplay? xD

also overall lower char lvl

with lower perks

[lusty wren]

So your saying if you are hardcore youd suicide attack and risk attacks? I dont get this thought process

[lucid root]

Wait but you're literally signing up for that by playing hardcore

[lusty wren]

It wouldnt effect anyone non hardcore in any way

[lucid root]

Playing against suicide bombers will just be part of the risk

[ionic mango]

no, the lack of proxy

it changes peoples gamestyles, if death means character deletion

[lucid root]

What's bad about that

[lusty wren]

There are plenty of people with slower more safe playstyles already. This changes nothing

[ionic mango]

,,,

[lusty wren]

There would be 0 gameplay advantage to be hardcore

[ionic mango]

lobbies would be 10x swetier

[lucid root]

Disadvantaged actually, if we're doing the no player trading

[ionic mango]

sweatier

in hardcore

of course there would be no advantage, there would be disadvantage

thats why ud want separate lobbies

otherwise no one would do hardcore

[lucid root]

A separate lobby just for hardcore players?

[lusty wren]

You already found 3 in this tiny portion of the playerbase... How can you keep saying no one would do it?

😄

[ionic mango]

yeah but no one is as foolish

a lobby doesnt start as 3

and even u guys after a while would be bored of the constant disadvantage

[smoky yoke]

high roller dungeons

[lusty wren]

Bold statement

[lucid root]

The sweaty players will be and always were sweaty, it'll just be a more cautious less aggressive kind of sweaty with permadeath

[lusty wren]

Ive been making games more difficult for myself for 20 years

not stopping now

😄

[ionic mango]

u can do that already tho

[prisma acorn]

we guys in the suggestion channel of the games discord arent the average gamer though, demographically speaking. we are by definition among the least casual players. i still think that HC characters would be fun

[ionic mango]

challenge urself to never equip armor

or only go with punches

[lusty wren]

Id rather get sick badges for being hardcore

Or cool titles

[prisma acorn]

yeah just give me a title, kill feed badge or sth. thats enough.

[lusty wren]

And because it doesnt effect anyone non hardcore no reason to split the queues

[lucid root]

What would the hardcore badge look like

[prisma acorn]

hardcore

[lusty wren]

Could use the egyptian immortality symbol

Or a tree of life symbol

The Undying title at lvl 20 or something to that effect

[lucid root]

Since all the names are just white in the killfeed we could just get a different color

[lusty wren]

Oh thatd be coll

Dark red or something

[agile condor]

@prisma acorn kinda agree - #d-and-d-suggestions message - Also I'm allow to just make 2 of the same class if I want to collect more technically hah

[lucid root]

I wonder what percentage of players will be using alt accounts

[lusty wren]

If there was a hardcore id buy two accounts one just for hardcore 😄

and one for Softcore

Depending on the char limit id use a alt also. But if you can have 1 of every class I dont see much reason to

[lucid root]

Was there a character limit?

[lusty wren]

I dont know never hit one

[agile condor]

There wasn't but I've heard they might implement one by release

[lusty wren]

Ya, this would not surprise me

[wintry forge]

What would be the benefit of having a character limit?

[agile condor]

Allowing the sale of more character slots 😄

[lucid root]

Some dummy creating a million characters to reserve names or something idk

[agile condor]

That too

[foggy shadow]

if we're paying for the base game i hope they give us a decent amount of slots

[lusty wren]

Every character requires data being saved for many different things. The more characters you have the larger that database has to be. Now you extrapolate that by 1 million users all wanting 10+ characters data to be saved

[serene snow]

limit the amount of storage a single account can have

[visual goblet]

eh, put the limit at 20 call it a day... theres probly already a limit thats hard coded into the game

[lusty wren]

20?

[visual goblet]

10?

[lusty wren]

Just need enough slots to have 1 class each

[serene snow]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
this is my popular idea to deal with it

[lusty wren]

There is no reason to give more slots than classes IMO

[visual goblet]

im just saying, did anyone of you test it? im sure theres already a limit

[lusty wren]

There likely is. As said above, I never hit one but I only made 1 of every class

[visual goblet]

test it out next playtest id say

[lusty wren]

Eh i could care less about it honestly 😄

[visual goblet]

jeez proxy everytime i talk to you im insta cringed

[lucid root]

If the limit is just the default value of the integer type they used, the max limit might take a while to hit

[lusty wren]

Welp, if me not caring enough to test it bothers ya dunno what to tell ya... block me? 😄

[visual goblet]

making suggestions without the will to test it is lazy IMO just my 2 cents

cheers

see ya laters

[lusty wren]

I did not make a suggestion

lol

[visual goblet]

ooo i thoguht it was your suggestion lol

i was like <<why wouldnt u test it if u made the sugg >> 8(

[lusty wren]

Nah man. I do plenty of testing. Just this specific thing im meh about

I get your comment now though

I was pretty confused

😄

[visual goblet]

yeah idc much about character limits, i dont think people would create many names if they cant <<sell>> them... used to happen in diablo

names like <<Goku>> could sell for a couple of bucks on d2jsp

[lusty wren]

OH the currency that shall not be named 😄

[visual goblet]

there 100% will be a d2jsp section to dark and darker :#

[lucid root]

Oh for sure

If not it's own website

[lusty wren]

Oh man if i can use JSP to buy dark and darker items ill be fricken rich 😄

[wintry forge]

I down voted because you said we'll get locked out of using the same class for 15 minutes.

[visual goblet]

if theres a way to buy currency you need another game using that currency on the main website or otherwise its illegal

[serene snow]

don't think about you being locked out. think about the player you killed getting locked out. you wont ever die anyways

[visual goblet]

lelo -163, i downvoted as well

[prisma acorn]

https://twitter.com/kleeposting/status/1615146254111244289

[lucid root]

Yeee combat logs

Viewable post game

[agile condor]

Even more popular now :))

[lucid root]

I was there for the one character per class part

The rest...

[serene snow]

maybe it should reset the level back to level 1 every time you die, but you dont have to wait

[winged venture]

or just let people play with the class they want. i don't see a problem with that

[serene snow]

more risk make extracting more rewarding

[lucid root]

I do think there should be some incentive to playing different classes though, titles or something

[serene snow]

what about allowing you to play the same class after you die, but that class doesn't have access to inventory for ~15 minutes.

[winged venture]

that would work if the leveling system was faster

like max level in 3 to 4 raids

[agile condor]

rather than suggestion after suggestion, what is the problem we are trying to solve here?

[serene snow]

increase the risk/reward dopamine hit when extracting. force players to try out more classes.

[verbal marsh]

I updated my suggestions presentation #d-and-d-suggestions message

maybe I'll get more votes

[agile condor]

increase the risk/reward dopamine hit when extracting: - isn't this already there by living & keeping what you have or dying and losing what you have?
force players to try out more classes. - don't really want this at all lol... make people play stuff they don't want to play and not have fun

[serene snow]

is this kinda like the scav karma from tarkov?

[verbal marsh]

yes

but it requires both players to participate otherwise its just a failed attempt 😛

[serene snow]

you can't really be nice and let people live because there aren't enough blue portals for everyone

[verbal marsh]

depends on if you're after a Good title score ofr some quest

[winged venture]

im sure they will have some form of karma or an equal. maybe even make it effect the clans. like a lawful good cant join a chaotic evil clan

[verbal marsh]

otherwise you've no reason to wave, you can just freely kill people without engaging who you are.

[winged venture]

well they will add voip

[verbal marsh]

also I added the fame portion so its sorta like dueling for fame title.

whether you are good or evil

[lusty wren]

IIRC devs said it will be slower not faster

[winged venture]

you dont say

[lusty wren]

Along with nerfing of loot tables

[winged venture]

how about that

[verbal marsh]

So you'll have 3 types of gamers. people waving to be friendly in general, people waving for fame, and then those who dont wave at all.

[lusty wren]

Ill wave to bait

[winged venture]

i just want to see an arena for some solid pvp

[lusty wren]

then get a free kill when that sob isnt looking

😄

[verbal marsh]

oh i forgot to mention the evil cooldown for how to get karma back

[lucid root]

What if certain emotes open passageways 👀

"Speak friend and enter"

[lusty wren]

I think itd be cool to see how bad you can get your karma

[verbal marsh]

yeah once you go evil its hard to reach the path of redemption

[serene snow]

maybe there could be a system that lets solos join up together in-game up to a team of 3. If they betray eachother after teaming up it gives them lower rep

[lusty wren]

Maybe ill use a alt account as an EVIL account and my main as a good account 😄

That could be a fun way to support the devs

[winged venture]

killing a teammate for no reason is an insta ban

[lusty wren]

How does the game differentiate "no reason" from "a reason"

[winged venture]

well most people that report record

or your just doing it for no reason

[verbal marsh]

that will less be the case when the game is live lol

[opaque shore]

A reason to teamkill is close to none, other than lying and manipulating someone else into trusting you to back them up in-game

[lusty wren]

So you want to do this manually? Via reports?

Sounds like alot of dev time for nothing

[agile condor]

I've had a teammate stuck before or D/Ced that we wanted to kill to extract and save their gear

[lusty wren]

A reason is accidents happen 😄 Have you never been friendly fired?

[verbal marsh]

yeah that happened several times

one day

[lusty wren]

Another reason is to farm bad karma

[opaque shore]

The best way to report team-killing is from video recordings and the devs don't need to deal with this, Warden do.
Team-killing on purpose is banneable, not friendly fire. Context matters in every report.

[verbal marsh]

once you reach lowest karma, there isnt any further to go you need fame for the best titles.

[lusty wren]

LOL so easy to make it look like a accident

[winged venture]

this

[serene snow]

what if players team up in game using voip and then betray each other? is that allowed?

[lusty wren]

Ya that is what the main account is for. The evil account needs max neg karma

[agile condor]

"Whoops... that wasn't haste? Damn man sorry about that fireball, I rebound my spells"

[lusty wren]

When you see my name pop up in reports. Know it was an accident 😄

[winged venture]

thats fine as long as its not the long con

[opaque shore]

If they both are cool with it, then there's 0 problem.

[lusty wren]

So you are saying you guys will ban people who team up randomly in raid and then betray?

Moderation like that will kill DaD :d

[verbal marsh]

yeah the system i have in mind there isn't much reward for being evil in comparison to good, but the quest styles would be different and more fame pvp oriented.

[lusty wren]

I like to set my own goals in games

often time achieving these goals are much more satisfying

[winged venture]

bro you cant read im positive lmao

[agile condor]

that's not even teamkilling imo lol

[winged venture]

this guy gets it

[glacial sphinx]

by raid do you mean party?

[agile condor]

Ending a short-term treaty isn't a teamkill

[lusty wren]

Agreed

but the response to it was

"If they both are cool with it, then there's 0 problem."

which means if both arent ok with it one gets banned

Silly

[opaque shore]

The rule states against LFG teamkilling, #📜rules
[12] - Abuse of the LFG channel in order to team-kill fellow players is a bannable offense.

[agile condor]

I just don't think Nessi understood

[lusty wren]

Ya judging by the last comment i agree

[lusty wren]

Ya was referring to in raid not using the LFG channel

[agile condor]

These are not people that grouped together, they met as enemies in a raid and decided to not instantly kill eachother, then 1 decided it was time to now kill the other

[verbal marsh]

ah just stating the checks and balances that would be in my suggestion, beyond evil I would probably have a bounty system that just locks that character out so you might actually have something there to do going further evil now i think about it hrm.

[agile condor]

You can not possibly moderate that, isn't possible

[winged venture]

he said no you wont get banned for killing someone you betray. but yes to someone you que with the intent to kill

[lusty wren]

No, raid as in in match. (tarkov talk i guess)

[opaque shore]

I think there would be nuances in that, we should always oppose anything anti-productive or overall toxic. There is no way, shape or form that we can take into account every single team-kill without evidence, avoiding it the best you can is recommended.

[lusty wren]

Ya I think the context we were speaking of is not legit groups

[agile condor]

Correct lol

[lusty wren]

we are talking about meeting up with someone in the match. waving at them acting like a friend

[glacial sphinx]

if someones not in your party ofc you can kill them

[lusty wren]

then backstabbing them

[opaque shore]

If you're talking about randoms betraying each other in game, that has no meaningful discussion to be had, since we are both aware that we shouldn't trust strangers.

[agile condor]

😄

[lusty wren]

Yes this is the response I wanted. LOL

[serene snow]

someway for singles to group up in raid would be cool

[opaque shore]

Oops. I don't play Tarkov I don't know Tarkov lingo. 😅

[agile condor]

I mean... that's just called grouping up before solos 😄

[lusty wren]

Ya that is my bad

I shoulda worded it better

[agile condor]

And not having solos

[winged venture]

the tavern VC is a good spot to meat some adventures

[opaque shore]

Glad we worked it out just fine. Two slow brains are a fast one combined.

[lusty wren]

Facts!

[lucid root]

Queuing with the intent to kill teammates...hmm seems like a good opportunity to put a bounty out

[verbal marsh]

I'll have to add the evil penalties to my suggestion for going beyond evil lol

[opaque shore]

I'm proud to say I would be the most goodie two shoes in game, I am the wannabe hero that does (or tries) to do everything correct, therefore I won't betray or be evil unless I have no choice...

[verbal marsh]

I would probably drop my karma to the edge, and chill being evil.

[lusty wren]

Id def have a evil character, probably not all of them but at least one

[verbal marsh]

ocassionally picking up a bounty for going beyond evil, and having my character locked out lol

one of my fav parts of Age of Wushu and ArcheAge were also the prison game they had inside it

I think a small bounty system with character lock out would be fine for beyond evil. The larger your bounty the longer the lockout

[lucid root]

I like in Fable where you look like a demon for going evil

[verbal marsh]

yeah lol, Would imagine the face for the wave being a normal looking smile, then it just upturns into a pure evil grin. The system I have in mind would make players attempt to see your face to confirm it as well lol

[lucid root]

No horns/demon eyes?

[verbal marsh]

nah evil needs to be subtle

[lucid root]

But a demon wizard would look so badass

Barbs already be scary, evil barbs?

[verbal marsh]

i mean they could expand on the idea as much as they want I would just like to see them use it lol

[lucid root]

Your fireball turns into a dark flame

[verbal marsh]

Blue fireballs would be legit lol

maybe goodie to shoe's get blue, and evil starts to get darker red with black tendrils

[lusty wren]

Or being relegated to a island for criminals

YES was grand

[lucid root]

Your character spawns in one of the locked jail cells if you teamkill too much

[verbal marsh]

lol

That would be cool

aside from it using up a player slot for the match

Maybe require the player to que as a team to have that prison break lol

Murdering him again further locks out the character 😛

[lucid root]

I was thinking just let them spawn there solo and random players can walk by and projectile them to death

[verbal marsh]

There would have to be something to give it meaning else he's kinda just wasting a player slot

[lucid root]

We get to point and laugh that's the meaning

[verbal marsh]

I was thinking that like -10 karma gets you the bounty, and puts you in jail locks out your character for 2 karma counts.

then at -8 karma you can attempt the prison break, or wait otu the remaining 3 karma counts.

failed prison break gives you -1 karma, and at -10 you get locked out again lol

So I think my suggestion would need a cutthroat animation instead of responding with wave if you're already evil for the fame portion hrm.

I think i prefer the wave responses however hrm.

[finite tide]

I just want set items am I right

[ancient mulch]

Are there any plans to improve the animations so combat feels more weighted?

Does anyone know?

[finite tide]

Combat likely won’t be changing much

[ancient mulch]

It feels clunky in its current iteration

[finite tide]

Some things need tweaking sure but it’s apart of the core I believe

[verbal marsh]

I just want the option to head swivel

[opaque shore]

Have you tried reading #dev-qna-archives yet to see If your answer is there? 😄

[ancient mulch]

just read it and well it doesn't have much around combat

[opaque shore]

I hope it clarified some of your insights though, I don't know much about the combat myself as I am a simpleton who enjoyed the current combat system immensely

[wintry forge]

There are a bunch of messages in dev-qna that say, "Message could not be loaded", and from the response it's unclear what the question was.
https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1057013969279266937/1057028608394281111

[opaque shore]

If you have having issues, there is always the google doc made by Calamity:
#dev-qna-archives message
We also have had them translated to different languages.

[wintry forge]

Weighted how?

[minor pond]

Probably screenshake/movespeed slow. Personally I like it as is

Although the rogue/wizard daggers needs a slight hitbox change, shit feels weird at times

same with the felling axe for barb

[wintry forge]

@solemn trail How's your bounty system going to work?
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[solemn trail]

People can add to a pool of gold for a bounty against top killers.

The game itself could set a small initial amount.

If you start a dungeon crawl with a wanted player in the dungeon , the game displays that there is a wanted person amongst you.

If you take down a top wanted person and clear the dungeon you get the bounty.

Would create a cool amongst us vibe, allows less strong players to collaborate, but potentially top killers can also hunt each other 😉

Idea might need some refinement but this is the general gist.

[gaunt scroll]

#d-and-d-suggestions message i like this suggestion are people going ask for porter class that does mainly support ( place campfire quicker than any class and m2 to heal you with bandage or give u potion to drink or something else idk) mainly help u collect loots interact faster chest can picklock after escape you and porter buddy can be trade in lobby OR add a backpack. backpack is a horrible idea but who knows? yeah porter class too idk man just my opinion felt like rogue's picklock going be useless of porter class was included what yall think

[gaunt scroll]

@prisma acorn

[white cliff]

New desolant lore just dropped, let’s go.

[upbeat pewter]

Lol at wanting a porter class. Sounds exceptionally boring

[gaunt scroll]

yeah i mean porter class only can have like dagger or sword with shield somethin else because welp its job is collect stuff and lockpick

[white cliff]

It already exists it’s called cleric.

[upbeat pewter]

Exactly. We have support classes coming, in bard, druid and already in, cleric

[gaunt scroll]

true we will see that soon after its release

[gaunt scroll]

going be more lores soon like flying p2w and moba

[white cliff]

I love how half the suggestions are league characters.

It’s my favorite part.

[gaunt scroll]

it is what it is

[white cliff]

There’s no malice behind them so the wardens won’t remove them.

And suggestions are semantical though we can clearly tell it’s trolling.

[gaunt scroll]

gave too much attention for him so far he's lovin it cant tell but behind that screen? who knows lol

[wintry forge]

sdf already said he wants players to be able to fly.

[steady cloud]

?

Why u downvote ?

U dont like it ?

[wintry forge]

Try to impress everyone with a good suggestion.

[white cliff]

This is just Ashe from LOL and you made it cost money…

[wintry forge]

What do you think about letting players play as AI, like how you can play as Scavs in Tarkov?

[steady cloud]

👍

[verbal marsh]

Wouldn't fit with the combat style think that would be bad.

[shadow trench]

friends list

[boreal wedge]

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[eager sable]

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[verbal marsh]

I like the stone wall spell idea, but would have to be a duration spell rather then like a pavise.

[knotty tulip]

<@&988703997378584596> @gaunt scroll is using suggestions for targeted insults

[wintry forge]

@woeful helm This suggestion is also targeting Desolent.
https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486/1064188896516259860

[hollow sentinel]

ratio though

[visual goblet]

i think the cleric nuke range should be reduced and cancelled if there is loss of sight while casting / takes damage while casting

whatdo you guys think?

sometimes its suuuuuuuper far away and you close a door and he still manages to hit u

i dont understand why people downvoted my idea of a limit on consumable item, i dont think anyone wants the meta to be spamming lanterns and traps but it will be

[uneven wyvern]

id like a limit on healing stuff. maybe have the waist slots left for torches etc and right for consumables

[iron fractal]

@amber fjord
#d-and-d-suggestions message

shame on you. its either Esports or esports. not eSports, e-sports, E-sports or anything silly between them.

[amber fjord]

My English is bad, but I think the meaning is clear. The moderators can edit the grammar.

[iron fractal]

all good. now you know too!👍

[solemn trail]

@wintry forge
What do you think ?

[rose lantern]

personally i don't think a bounty system has a place in a br type game where you're just matched against random people. in a setting where you run into the same people constantly like in an mmo or something it would make sense because there is kinda like a rivalry there, but chances are you won't see the same person very often. let alone remember who they are

that being said, if there is a system to instigate some kinda rivalry amongst guilds when guilds are implemented 👀

[solemn trail]

You don’t have to see a specific one, any of the ones that have bounty would trigger the alert

So if you’re lucky \ unlucky to walk into a dungeon with a top killer in it, hey, at least your not only being hunted anymore 😄

Should also present a bigger challenge for higher tier players

[verbal marsh]

I have an idea for a bounty system if you really want to hear it.

[rancid pebble]

how do you guys link the suggestions

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486/1064899006146293760

This one is interesting to me

If you realistically calculate how many arrows someone needs in a dungeon it is probably like 35 per room with a recurve maybe 25 with a longbow. If you got a certain amount of arrows per bow you bring in on your slots + lootables from certain mobs it could rework/balance ranger. Idk how I feel about this change but def needs to be discussed

This way if you bring say a longbow it may only have 125 arrows for the whole dungeon unless you pick up more, while a survival bow would have perhaps 250. Again could be a way to balance the bows which I am really interested in

[runic axle]

i got warned for my legitimate suggestion 😦

[runic axle]

see any of his previous suggestions for more stupid league of legends character rips

[mossy ruin]

@runic axle

what was ur suggestion?

[runic axle]

to make desolent pay 5 dollars for each suggestion he wants to make

i wasnt joking

[upbeat pewter]

pretty funny, after looking at suggestions long enough, there are quite a few people you can tell are going to give really dumb ideas.

[long dawn]

I've asked for a blow dart for rogue knowing that it will get downvoted. I dont care but it would be cool

That and cleric needs a new weapon or the ability to use a longsword

[opaque slate]

ong

[rancid pebble]

I doubt a cleric would use a longsword

[rich whale]

I think a wizard spell that can freeze doors so you have to hit 2 times or so to open it would be fun

[long dawn]

They do! Longsword/short and bludgeoning weapons

[rancid pebble]

feels like if they are making paladin and other classes then cleric will not be a generalist

I have advocated for extra cleric weapons but bludgeon is the route they will go, its old style DnD

[long dawn]

He is a paladin when you put him in armor. There isn't a physical difference between the two classes

They use the same weapons and spells.

[steady cloud]

what yall think of my new suggestion ?

[long dawn]

Tbh it's not that great. The game is already going to cost money.

[steady cloud]

but its not a lot ?

[long dawn]

Yeah but that makes the game pay to win

[white cliff]

Just a heads up this person is a troll, and it would be unwise to interact with them.

[long dawn]

Ohh I can tell

[steady cloud]

?

[white cliff]

Conversations with them lead to pinging the wardens who end up punishing both parties for the argument.

Also for as many predatory mobile games and terrible monetization strategies games have had, I’ve never seen an in game use option for skills based on money.

Straight out of the game designers handbook for horrible idea.

[long dawn]

Moda games are for sheep

[steady cloud]

why ?

i like them

[white cliff]

Mobile or moba?

[steady cloud]

and im good with them

[white cliff]

Suggestions that are meant to bait arguments instead of production discussion, combined with a lengthy chat history, and timeouts. Are usually trolls. You’re included in that @odd reef

[void lotus]

stop being toxic

[white cliff]

Yeah well I haven’t been timed out for insulting people so.

Or suggestion women shouldn’t play this game, or saying racial slurs. But sure most of your troll groups suggestions aren’t trolling.

[runic axle]

based

[agile condor]

Stating facts doesn’t make him toxic lol

[void lotus]

its rude to call someone a troll, being a troll means your blue, and being blue means u have blue balls

[agile condor]

Umm…

[void lotus]

calling someone a troll is also racist fyi

[agile condor]

Alright, another it is

[lucid root]

[opaque slate]

blues are free estus

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
This is like an evolution of my idea I like it

The map on the table is cool too

Put blood stains and scuffs on it

Tavern has a lot of potential to be a little social hub

My God it's going to turn into the old varrock square trading

[white cliff]

@vivid rover I don’t understand your suggestion, can you elaborate a bit? What happens to the other 70 people who queued…?

Never mind your name came up as geser for some reason, I know who this is now lol.

[vivid rover]

they die, fight it out

[white cliff]

70 people fight it out in a bright open room, yeah sounds interesting. Nah your good no explanation needed.

[vivid rover]

not one room lol

just a big bright map with no pve

easy first floor

[white cliff]

Yeah 120 players compared to 16. Makes sense.

[vivid rover]

yes? you realize B1 will probably have 30-60 players

and filter down to the B2 we played in the test

what i suggest is a B0 before B1

[white cliff]

There’s no indication of B1 having an altered player count no.

[vivid rover]

yes there is, it has more players and then B2 has 15

16

[rough vapor]

I've seen many suggestions about quests. What if it was done as a job board in the lobby and you could pick and choose what tasks to do. Maybe they refresh daily?

[white cliff]

Anyways I shouldn’t have engaged you’re blocked for a reason, I didn’t realize who I was tagging, your name came up as Geser.

[lucid root]

What are quest rewards going to be, gear?

Or just gold

[white cliff]

That’s my biggest issue.

Does tarcov have a quest system?

How do other similar looters handle it.

Hunt just gives you currency and guns.

[lucid root]

Or maybe passive benefits like lower shop prices

[white cliff]

Honestly the shop becomes pretty unusable after early game.

[lucid root]

Unusable?

[agile condor]

Still usable, just chaos

[white cliff]

Shop, not trading guild.

[agile condor]

Oh like the vendors?

[wary shell]

shop is fine

[white cliff]

Why would I buy a green weapon for 70g from the shop.

[white cliff]

Context.

[agile condor]

Usually shop is cheaper than trade if you find a decent green

[white cliff]

CONTEXT.

[rough vapor]

Maybe gain a small enchant or something to add to gear or weapons? Like a +1 or like +1 or +2 health?

[lucid root]

Hmm maybe

[white cliff]

+1 or two what?

[wintry forge]

It could be fun if it was based on kill streak, and players kill streak resets upon death. I think it'd be better if players bounties automatically increased based on kill streak. And players need a certain kill streak before they get a bounty assigned to them. But how would you know if you saw a bounty in game?

[white cliff]

Attributes?

[rough vapor]

Damage, healing, health, resistance, etc. Tuned to the stat of course

[lucid root]

Like if you have a book with +3 magic damage and the enchant would just turn it into +4

[rough vapor]

Yea, something like that.

[lucid root]

Upgrade the stat according to its specific stat ranges and parameters

[rough vapor]

Could limit the number of enchant rewards that can be equipped at a time or something so it doesn't get out of control

[lucid root]

Next to +3 magic damage it has a +1 in parenthesis, and it can't be boosted past that

Seems pretty strong though idk

[rough vapor]

Maybe you only get a quest like that every 3 days. All other quests reward gear/gold

[lucid root]

Make it so you can only boost blue or lower gear?

I hate that green is lower tier than blue, all the arpgs got me messed up

[lusty wren]

I believe they said something like 24 😄 but they may have just said more also LOL

[agile flare]

To paraphrase my suggestion, I think the game would feel more alive and have an active community if we had a system in the game that allowed us to interact and be a part of the world, quests, work orders, forming parties with strangers in game, skill practice outside the dungeon, in a sort of guild idea.

At the moment, apart from go into dungeon, kill mobs, loot and escape to go back and get better loot, what is the other option? i'd adore something at the side as a side objective

[lusty wren]

alot of what you want im sure is already in the works. 😄

except for maybe "better loot"

loot tables will be nerfed

[lucid root]

Full blown mmo

[lusty wren]

(but if you just mean cooler loot, ya that will happen also)

[agile flare]

Not an MMO, moreso a community in game

if we're doing the whole fantasy grouping dungeon crawling, who's sending us to the dungeons? whats the goal to get loot?

[lucid root]

I like the idea that we're like exiles from a kingdom and relegated to this dark corrupted region

PoE but not on an island

[agile flare]

I mean that still answer the goals we go in for

Being an exile and just running into dungeons cause everyone hates you, doesn't really make sense

[lusty wren]

"Q: Will quests be in the next playtest?
A: Quests are planned to be added in a very early version"

Q: Is there a plan for guilds?
A: Guilds will exist. However, implementation is far away.

[white cliff]

This is the loop, and I’m fine with that.

[agile flare]

These are good noice

[lucid root]

Talked earlier about updating lore with each wipe, can find new artifacts/notes/journals and they go into the compendium that シルメリア suggested

Gives them time to just fill in the blanks later instead of trying to pigeon-hole some lore in all at once

[vestal oasis]

can someone suggest to remove the slow mode in #1048762118255673428 when you want to edit your suggestion?
i can't send a new message for the next 6 hours and i can't edit my suggestion

[white cliff]

As soon as you can convince people to stop trolling that can be removed!

[agile flare]

Actually, I like it without lore, artifacts and secrets, sure, but journals ehh

Kinda feels like we piece together the lore

[lucid root]

That's probably a good idea, I'll just bring it up to a warden when they pop in @vestal oasis

[agile flare]

instead of having someone just tell us, oh x lich was a bad boy and died here

[white cliff]

Intentional.

[opaque shore]

Your suggestion is not editable, It's embed by the bot @eager sable. Make sure you re-read your suggestions before sending them, incase of bad grammatical errors or change of mind.

[opaque shore]

Slowmode is the only way so the channel isn't constantly spammed.

[lucid root]

Makes sense for making new ones, why editing

[vestal oasis]

its about the idea, i forgot to add something, there weren't really any mistakes

[opaque shore]

Yeah, even If there was no slowmode, you would still not be able to edit. Since It's an embedded message.

[vestal oasis]

i know how i works, thats why i asked if someone could suggest that slow mode would be shortened

[lucid root]

Ah the timer actually shows up now

[opaque shore]

Maybe while you're waiting, try writing your suggestion with way more details an encapsulate everything you want in it before sending next time. 👍

[lucid root]

The edit command worked before, last time I tried to use it with the new timer it didn't work even when the cooldown was up

[lusty wren]

Wait did you guys remove the .edit command?

[lucid root]

It's still there I'm just not sure it does anything anymore

Still in he command list at least

[opaque shore]

You can't really send it because of the countdown

[lusty wren]

Yeah but you could edit after that 6 hours right?

[opaque shore]

Indeed.

[lusty wren]

Ok just wanted to make sure I was on the same page 😄

[lucid root]

Hopefully, have to wait 6 hours, idk why I didn't just edit one of my older ones

[stuck heath]

Holyste just wants to spend money on this game like it’s a Diablo immortal

[ionic mango]

how does one say, "add this skin its just cosmetic" and "but you have death ray that shoots through wall" in the same sentence???

[upbeat pewter]

There are a lot of people either giving troll suggestions, or are just dumb.

Im sure devs have an account thats blocked people that continuously give stupid suggestions to remove bloat

[agile condor]

Yeah... moderation of suggestions happens in very short spurts and then continues typically lol....

[upbeat pewter]

Im not sure it really needs moderating

[agile condor]

Why not?

Would other chat channels like general chat also not need moderation?

[ionic mango]

well people read suggestion channel for voting and to consider ideas, trolls are just pulling people away from it and wasting the people that want to help's time, would be my reasons

[halcyon island]

yeah agreed

[white cliff]

“Dungeon and dragons is for weebs and incells” -Glaxa

Great suggestion.

[ionic mango]

lmao fr?

[white cliff]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[ionic mango]

yeah just saw

such is the interwebs

[white cliff]

I thought he left a while ago, but the trolls always come crawling out of the crevices I suppose.

[agile condor]

Should suggest allowing me to click a user's name straight from their suggestion to make it easier to block them

[lucid root]

I have so many people muted, not really because of the suggestion list channel though

[white cliff]

I have so many people muted, because of the suggestion list channel though.

[lucid root]

People just get spergy and I'm like...alright I'm not going to engage with this, go vent your life frustrations out somewhere else and then come back

[smoky yoke]

Will you edit the suggestion later by any chance? or would you like me to remove it?

[lucid root]

You can remove it, I'm going to test it on an older one

[smoky yoke]

Ok

[sacred hill]

you blocked half the server already xd

[lusty wren]

Only half?

That guy blocks anyone who disagrees with his opinion 😄

[lucid root]

Emba is a good one

[mossy ruin]

I disagreed with him, I don't think he blocked me. Maybe he blocks people who do not know how to have a disagreement without getting offended and lashing out.

[lusty wren]

Ya, I guess me calling him funny was lashing out 😄

[agile condor]

facts

[mossy ruin]

hmm maybe, I dont really know, but there are a lot of people who seem very 'this is the hill I die on' with every single topic and maybe he got tired of it, I started being less active when the suggestions were off for a bit, seems desolent is still wilding with 'P2???' content

[lusty wren]

Very much so

Pay 5 dollars fo x y and z

[agile condor]

Actually, I unblocked suspense - the rest remain blocked lol

[lusty wren]

7 bucks to teleport to a ward 😄

Pretty humorous

[stuck heath]

Desolent and Holyste are the type to spend 1k on a game to expect to be the best at it.

[lucid root]

It kind of is the reality with a lot of games these days

Moreso in the hundreds of thousands

When whales collide

[mossy ruin]

Tbh, I do not want to attack his character or his intelligence, but I truly think he may have had one or two serious p2w suggestions and at this point does it to troll. If hes still serious then I am sorry to say he is out of touch.

[stuck heath]

Boggles my mind these people go into debt for these games.
Even if its to troll, like. If you keep doing it to "troll" you must have a very crap sense of humor.

[mossy ruin]

If you look at it objectively, p2w is pointless in this genre because all the things are so volatile to have and do not actually make a massive difference(or shouldnt when gear is balanced better).

[stuck heath]

Anyway. Just 3 weeks away now.

[mossy ruin]

And if you look at it subjectively, p2w is such a turn off for soo many people that its obviously a bad idea for a game that doesn't even benefit from the format.

[stuck heath]

I hate pay 2 win in any genre but you're right, it doesn't make sense in this type of game at all.

[mossy ruin]

Yeah, like if someone was paying to win here, I would never know unless I played with them, they would be probably rare, and if they were common, they would just be a juicer. You can still kill a juicer

[lusty wren]

Even for people who like P2W his suggestions are ridiculous. Its obviously a troll

The ward one for example

Even P2W enjoyers would be like this is bad

[stuck heath]

High Galaxy Brain conspiracy. He is posting on behalf of triple A games or similar games that want to deliberately sabotage this game in the most subtle and useless way possible?

[mossy ruin]

The main argument people make is they like p2w to be a way to 'get' extra time in a game to keep up with people who no life the game. I do sympathize and understand this sentiment, and it works best in games with daily/weekly/monthly progression games, often being MMOs. Why would a loot extractor make people 'feel' behind. I mean it can happen late wipe if gear is largely impactful, but you can catch up.

[mossy ruin]

so subtle 🧠

[mossy ruin]

yeah like, I am trying to read them at least from a reasonable point of view and I just dont get it. Agreed

[stuck heath]

I would love see them add cosmetics loosely based on other games/media. For example a cosmetic set similar to Robin Hood/ OSRS Ranger items. Green tipped elf like shoes with a green tunic, pants and hat.

[lusty wren]

As long as it does not go to far

Like the goku suggestion 😄

[mossy ruin]

Cosmetics do seem like such an easy answer but since this game is heavily PvP influenced, I think cosmetics are poor for identifying enemy equipment.

[lucid root]

What, you don't want fortnite skins in DaD?

[fallow owl]

low and high set items for each class.

[lusty wren]

Could be like the skele where equipment shows ontop of the skin

[mossy ruin]

If you could 'enchant' gear with a cost to make your gear look like something else to surprise people, that would be cool, but to have a free way to circumvent other players knowledge of your gear's 'rarity' is annoying imo.

[stuck heath]

Nah. Im thinking more wardrobe cosmetics but bringing in characters/entities from other games/media would be cool. It would have to be based around this world though. DnD would be easily the easiest to implement. Runescape also. Lord of the rings. Etc.

[mossy ruin]

WoW Classic was a great example of seeing a player and knowing what they can do.

[lusty wren]

They could go the warframe route and allow us to "paint" our gear and sell pallets 😄

[mossy ruin]

Gotcha, yeah like emotes would be cool, I did like TF2 emotes, but ofc this game is grim dark instead of silly competitive.

[mossy ruin]

Yeah but then the players wouldn't be able to see enemy equipment and instantly identify their 'power'

[lusty wren]

I mean, if the gear looks unique to the lesser gear the colors wont matter as much you will still be able to identify them

Especially if its not just FULL blown free paint. But like trim color etc

[mossy ruin]

Yeah, it does depend, I agree.

[stuck heath]

Hmm I could see painting yourself all black being an issue

Harder to spot

[lusty wren]

Yeah i dont mean a free paint 😄

[stuck heath]

So maybe only you being able to see it

[mossy ruin]

Well they could just not have that or work on silhouetting depending on some 'shine' value so dull equipment has less glow.

[lusty wren]

Looking at a piece of equipment also does not really tell you the power. When the stats can roll off class

[mossy ruin]

PUBG was a good example of clothing not mattering, at range, but camo kinda worked up close because of models rendering at distance were just dark.

[mossy ruin]

It helps a lot. If someone has all high quality gear you can make an educated guesss there is something there.

[stuck heath]

I think silly emotes can still work in this grim environment though. Emotes are usually just a social thing for players. There could be emotes tied to the genre and just random ones as well. But that depends on the devs.

[mossy ruin]

I mean the silly emotes like having the emotes instant-kill players

[lusty wren]

Ya, I just dont see how being able to adjust trim color and such changes that I guess. But ya they have been pretty clear they want some form of cosmetics in the game. I just hope it is not silly

[mossy ruin]

The emotes can be silly in nature, but the insta-gibs from TF2 were a bit much.

[lusty wren]

I dont want to see a bunch of people rolling around in bathing suites for example LOL

[stuck heath]

oh you mean those lol. maybe then just executions

Low health player you hit a certain way with an attack move plays an execution

[lucid root]

Trimming armor for 50k btw

Ooh a new suggestion

[lusty wren]

DONT LOOK!

[mossy ruin]

I hope they keep community interaction high. I know we all kinda hated the trading system, but if they keep it kinda similar but clean it up big time... Id love a free market feel.

[lusty wren]

Well ya maybe look to downvote 😄

[stuck heath]

Armor trimming? Sweet! Maybe this time my rune armor will be trimmed instead of the player I gave it to being instantly banned for trading with me therefore having to log out and never be seen again.

[lusty wren]

I loved it, just think it needs QOL attached

[mossy ruin]

I hope we get a hub world with enchanting/trading or shit, but the base game is good enough, but I hope they add redundant fleshing out content to just kinda chill.

[lusty wren]

Search function within the tabs. Dedicated tabs that do not allow cross posting etc

[mossy ruin]

Anyone ever play early Vindictus?

[lusty wren]

Ya

[mossy ruin]

That game had a nice hub system imo

[lusty wren]

Ya as far as hubs go it was good

[mossy ruin]

You just see people, it feels nice to see other players.

[brittle hemlock]

Why is shared stash disliked? I am curious.

[lusty wren]

Stash management should be impactful and full of choices

[lucid root]

uh oh...i actually have to think about why i hold an opinion
runs away

[brittle hemlock]

Would you not agree that finding a great weapon for X class should still be exciting while playing Y class ?

[mossy ruin]

So, on one hand, its easily circumventable atm with dropping during match trading or having a friend to help you out by doing a double trade.

[lusty wren]

I think it still is

I give it to my buddy and he gives it to my other character 😄

[mossy ruin]

but on the other hand, if i find stuff for a rogue while playing my barbarian, I am WAY more likely to give to my rogue friend tmrw or the next day instead of just dropping into my stash

[brittle hemlock]

It is a big hassle for no good reason imo. And impossible while solo.

[mossy ruin]

Its a more friendly system imo

If you are solo the game is already 'harder' and if thats causing more hassle then you need to improve in the core game and you'll end up having more loot than you know what to do with

[lusty wren]

The reason is to make stash inventory matter and have purpose outside of hoarding gear. Rife with choice. Is this really worth keeping, do I just sell it instead etc

[brittle hemlock]

I am not against stash management. I just want to be excited to find a good bow while on my barb for example. If you are solo it is as good as trash.

[lusty wren]

Id rather see a way to pay gold to transfer items to your other chars than a shared stash

[mossy ruin]

I think both systems end up having downsides*, but I like the present one.

[vestal thorn]

I'd hope with probably a guild / friend list system eventually this will be as easy as finding someone here on discord just to stash trade. It'll probably be pretty easy to do this on release even as a solo.

[lusty wren]

Agreed, I feel one just has less 😄 I also prefer the current system

[mossy ruin]

They might introduce a system to avoid this, like max 1 trade to same person a day or something annoying. But yeah I expect something like that too, but people still have to agree and trust each other which we all know humans dont trust each other

[brittle hemlock]

I am completely fine with this.

[lucid root]

1 trade per day per person??? damnit how many accounts am i going to have to buy

[mossy ruin]

But as is, finding a bow on your barb that has good stats means you post it on market, thats causing player interaction and could create dialogue between two players (this is a good thing)

[brittle hemlock]

Maybe trade with your own characters which is limited to 1-3 times a day ?

[white cliff]

Limited storage is intended game design. I really don’t find any arguments for extended stash to be convincing at all.

[mossy ruin]

Idk, as far as im concerned, I think multiplayer games should always foster community interaction in some fashion. The lone player should never been penalized, but lack of advantage(disadvantage) is just how it is.

[brittle hemlock]

I just want a way for solos to trade items between their characters which group players can easily do. But I understand that it leads to stash abuse.

[mossy ruin]

Also since the game intends to balance around 3man play, anything that makes sense when you come at it from a 3man perspective.. makes sense.

[sacred hill]

to expect to be average at it*

[white cliff]

Easiest way to fix the solo problems is to encourage people to find others to play with.

[mossy ruin]

NOW LISTEN

[sacred hill]

im gonna fix the solo problem now, look

[brittle hemlock]

I don't know. The fact that the stash was not shared was pretty confusing to me. If anything, my way leads to even more extreme stash management cause you would have way less storage across your characters.

[mossy ruin]

An in-game DURING match location or portal that allowed you to send an item you have ON you to a character like a mailbox etc etc. I would be ok with, but that wouldn't fit the game genre or theme.

[lucid root]

nah, you could just make a bunch of level 1's and transfer everything