Buy a few best in slots, leave reserve for a few more kits, go pvp and stop looting.
#suggestion-discussion
vapid minnow
You're asking for a system chance they spoke against because you're a loot goblin
In the mean time go spam post your suggestion some more @regal shale
regal shale
why stop looting?
verbal marsh
They are adding gold chests so we can get more 
agile condor
I do PVP? lol
vapid minnow
Thats it?
agile condor
People that PVP get even more loot lol
granite plinth
Introduce inflation, people will have an incentive to spend instead of hoarding
regal shale
i collected heads and golds
vapid minnow
You only get loot if you pick it up.
Stop pretending you dont make the choice to pick it up.
regal shale
each classe.
vapid minnow
Chill with the insults bro
I dont see any insults.
regal shale
150kills for ranger fighter barb rogue
steady cloud
Hi ?
vapid minnow
Okay, cool, and you still make the choice to overloot.
regal shale
then i didn't pvp?
vapid minnow
You're forcing an issue that they dont want to fix.
verbal marsh
That is part of those 10 min break intervals, ended up just pasting all my lewt in the trade window. It wasnt hard to get gold.
regal shale
i just enjoyed the game, but i don't wanna spend a lot of time for the selling and buying.
vapid minnow
Alright
You're a fkin troll
You dont want to spend all that time selling and etc
But you're over looting constantly
lol
upbeat pewter
Stop arguing with toulouse. Its not the type of person who evej cares what you think, or cares about talking about it
Not even sure why they are here
verbal marsh
I just sold blues at flat price I didn't even look at their stats lol
regal shale
i wanna kill in the dungeon, but i spent the time for buying more than kill and looting
agile condor
He's saying that he wants to spend more time playing the game how he enjoys, I don't think that's troll or wrong to want
vapid minnow
That's not what I'm saying at all.
granite plinth
I wish copy paste work for trading especially when I have 8 items to sell
regal shale
why did you think i'm troll?
vapid minnow
I'm saying he's forcing an issue on the devs with his suggestion and his inability to stop overlooting. And the devs said o to it already.
no to it*
regal shale
i just wanna spend time more efficiently
vapid minnow
Have some more self control.
agile condor
Have some more self control.
Seriously man, why all the personal jabs?
vapid minnow
Seriously man, why all the personal jabs?
Its reality. Your inability to deal with it is your own concern. As it is his.
regal shale
saying cursing word?
vapid minnow
He's complaining about having too much crap in his inventory
I say "stop overlooting"
You say its a "jab"
now you're both blocked.
regal shale
stop overlooting?
haha
looting is happiness of the game
see other player's inventory
didn't day full their inventories?
vapid minnow
Yeah, see, this is why you're a troll.
regal shale
someone hired to send theire money and items to other characters
vapid minnow
Or you're just too dumb to talk to.
regal shale
isn't it funny?
vapid minnow
Goodbye.
vapid minnow
Enjoy not seeing your suggestion go through btw.
agile condor
Or you're just too dumb to talk to.
<@&988703997378584596> could use some order in here
regal shale
not solution
vapid minnow
Have some more control over your intent with this game. You're over looting and crying about it on a 6 day PT.
Especially
ESPECIALLY
when they said they dont want to go the route you suggested
L O L
dense girder
You will be timed out for being rude. Please come back later @vapid minnow
regal shale
ty
wintry forge
So, the first level will be a forest? Will that be inside or outside the dungeon?
granite plinth
I want a castle map with spirling stairs, something a little more fancy
agile condor
So, the first level will be a forest? Will that be inside or outside the dungeon...
Guessing outside
agile condor
I want a castle map with spirling stairs, something a little more fancy
Kinda spiral staircases in inferno
green dust
I want a castle map with spirling stairs, something a little more fancy
there are spiral staircases in the common dungeon
wintry forge
The faq says 3 levels in total are planned. Is that still true?
agile condor
Yeah, that too but inferno also has "towers" of sorts
agile condor
The faq says 3 levels in total are planned. Is that still true?
As far as we know
smoky yoke
does B2 have variant maps if not 3? right
like in the playtest 2#
but we can also see some maps like in the trailer one from steam
so many maps
smoky yoke
it's nice to have some variants
what about the map showed in the trailer on steam? the one with the lava/magma
rocky oar
I've actually never seen that before
smoky yoke
i think there were also others in their youtube channel iirc
agile condor
I felt like I saw a different layout inferno map 1 run but never saw it again, so probably was just confused as to where I was or something
smoky yoke
I've actually never seen that before
hopefully they don't scrap it as idea
i'd like to see it live, cause seemed to have also some parkour to do
to find a chest
smoky yoke
I felt like I saw a different layout inferno map 1 run but never saw it again, s...
yea i think each floor have probably different layouts
rocky oar
Oh wow
I never saw this
I'd imagine that's what will replace B3
Because they said they wanted a dragon boss which would be harder than the current bosses
smoky yoke
I never saw this
in the trailer of steam, you can see when they do some mini parkour for a chest
there's like lava and magma
but yes, seemed an inferno map i think but not sure
rocky oar
what is b2 called?
smoky yoke
Because they said they wanted a dragon boss which would be harder than the curre...
perhaps in the B1 floor where it appears it will be outside, they could put a dragon if there's space
rocky oar
B2 called Crypt?
Ima stick with that for now. That's wrong however because Crypt is gonna be B1, Hell is B2, Inferno B3
lucid root
Crypt or graveyard could be part of forest
rocky oar
Yea I just saw that
smoky yoke
ah okok
rocky oar
I am assuming that's future B3
smoky yoke
cool btw
agile condor
https://youtu.be/ckK2F6KReAk?t=52
Isn't that already in one of the current inferno maps?
lusty wren
Devs 100% called the "hell" map infernal 😄
agile condor
They call it Inferno
rocky oar
lol wut
smoky yoke
from latin infernus, it's basically hell
like dante's inferno
rocky oar
What are they calling future B3 then?
smoky yoke
i honestly tought B3 wasnt inferno map
but seems i was wrong
lusty wren
What are they calling future B3 then?
That is future B3
smoky yoke
What are they calling future B3 then?
apparently inferno maps is B3
lusty wren
Forrest is B1, Crypt B2, Inferno B3
verbal marsh
wouldnt mind seeing some elden ring styles lizard people lol
smoky yoke
yea
agile condor
Forrest is B1, Crypt B2, Inferno B3
Yeah, this
rocky oar
Forest?
smoky yoke
Forrest is B1, Crypt B2, Inferno B3
i tought each floor had their inferno map layout
smoky yoke
but basically the red portal of B1 will port you in B2
opal sparrow
wouldnt mind seeing some elden ring styles lizard people lol
Oh like mark zuckerberg?
rocky oar
They absolutely did.
lusty wren
There is a graphic for it somewhere
rocky oar
Let me find this shit
lusty wren
Look it up
smoky yoke
They said forrest is B1
i just hope each floor have variants different layouts
lusty wren
They said B1 (forest) will have the difficulty that b2 has now
smoky yoke
yes
smoky yoke
yes but i hope more
lusty wren
😄
rocky oar
They said B1 (forest) will have the difficulty that b2 has now
I misheard that then cause I thought they said Crypt was becoming B1
smoky yoke
they said also ghost king and lich are bosses of B2
which not sure if they fit tbh but might make sense
then i wonder which boss there will be in B3
agile condor
#📢announcements message "A New B2 Crypt test map "
lusty wren
I misheard that then cause I thought they said Crypt was becoming B1
This was probably referring to the difficulty wich is planned to be what B2 is now but on B1
lusty wren
they said also ghost king and lich are bosses of B2
Correct current bosses will be B2 and a new boss for B3
rocky oar
jesus
smoky yoke
dragon im assuming
the big area actually could fit a dragon, i think there's space
where there was the ghost king
smoky yoke
Correct current bosses will be B2 and a new boss for B3
yes
rocky oar
yea
smoky yoke
dragons in the end can be different size
lusty wren
So If b2 is the difficulty of Current B3 The new B3 difficulty should be fun 😄
smoky yoke
rip
smoky yoke
probably
rocky oar
going to inferno feels not worth
lusty wren
hopefully it actually drops loot
Loot table will still be tuned down they said from the last PT
rocky oar
loot drop barely increases at all
agile condor
So If b2 is the difficulty of Current B3 The new B3 difficulty should be fun 😄
"For tonight, we 'die' in hell!" - Leonidas
rocky oar
that's wild
lusty wren
But it will probably be better loot than the other two
just reduced from what we have now
rocky oar
I legit never got anything from inferno
lusty wren
I did lots
smoky yoke
then you kinda be filled that you dont really wanna go in inferno maps
lusty wren
Went there every raid that I made it to a red portal
smoky yoke
I legit never got anything from inferno
only death
verbal marsh
I legit never got anything from inferno
what part of inferno were you farming
lusty wren
Once you learn it its actually very easy
rocky oar
Only reason I go is for the gold pile spawn that has the centaur
agile condor
We always went to inferno to kill boss
rocky oar
cause I would literally kill everything and loot all the chest and get absolutely nothing
agile condor
Boss had guaranteed loot
verbal marsh
I usually just did the dogs and the mage, easy room
rocky oar
I didn't do boss, teammates kept messing up the fights non-stop
couldn't trust anyone to do it ever
lusty wren
I am sure the loot will increase over B2 but overall loot tables will be lower. So not sure how it will feel
verbal marsh
good loot on mage on that level also
agile condor
I wouldn't mind a little less loot - felt like people were able to get super farmed in just a week
smoky yoke
even spamming projectile missiles as 3 wizards sometimes not enough to kill the boss in B3
rocky oar
That is most looter games
verbal marsh
I thought the drops were fine no drops you get bored
smoky yoke
i think the loot will be tuned down as they hinted but you can probably get the same amount by looting other people
if you loot multiple people in pvp
agile condor
I thought the drops were fine no drops you get bored
okay, so then let's agree to add more drops of different currencies like copper, silver, and platinum :)))
verbal marsh
ew
agile condor
lol
smoky yoke
minecraft
verbal marsh
next you'll want my black card D:
Gotta love that pve toggle.
I think they should add it actually I'm going to thumbs up that one
I think he should update it to state that it just changes the expression on your face.
If you commonly murder with it on it changes your smile into a mad hatter style evil look
smoky yoke
the only reliable pve only mode is just with no loot that doesnt interfere
with only 3 portals spawned randomly and are just only 3
and you have to find them before the circle closes while you surviving to the monsters
but pve monsters is not a big concern that imo not sure if it would work
they would have to rework almost everything to make it work
verbal marsh
nah its just a toggle that states you're friendly in-game. if you murder with it on your friendly face starts to look a little less friendly.
so you'll have those friendly people that just really want to look at your face lol
smoky yoke
mmh
mossy ruin
I wouldn't mind a little less loot - felt like people were able to get super far...
2 days maybe one if you really try
smoky yoke
probably they will tweak the amount of loot in early access/full release
verbal marsh
kinda reminds me of elden ring if they did that, cause people liked seeing your custom face
smoky yoke
they increased just so that we can find stuff during playtests
smoky yoke
kinda reminds me of elden ring if they did that, cause people liked seeing your ...
lol
btw seems the dev doesnt want this game to be a battle royal and that circles are just a tool
which is cool
steady cloud
@wintry forge i dont like that suggestion
verbal marsh
Sounds cool, the playtest has been great.
rocky oar
btw seems the dev doesnt want this game to be a battle royal and that circles ar...
thats weird
rocky oar
that would make a lot of people actively avoid other people
smoky yoke
sdf said
Battle royale is not the direction we are aiming for. Circles are just tools.
so circles might actually change or something
who knows
glad they are not aiming for battle royale
that genre isnt that nice, at least for me
verbal marsh
if the levels were big enough it could just be a pvp start mechanic when people get in range hrm.
wintry forge
btw seems the dev doesnt want this game to be a battle royal and that circles ar...
Meaning the circle is only for testing?
smoky yoke
Meaning the circle is only for testing?
don't know, to be fair
verbal marsh
I was hoping to see the rumored 30 man dungeon
smoky yoke
i think it should be 33
wintry forge
I was hoping to see the rumored 30 man dungeon
I suggested 24 and that was up voted.
smoky yoke
then in B2 16 players?
if in B1 theres that many players then the map will be giant
i liked 16 players as total though
more chances to play
verbal marsh
depends on how they plan to deploy b1 tho
I mean it could be that half generally just escape rather then go down.
smoky yoke
then inferno only 1 or 2 teams
cause most of time only few people go there
from 30 to 16 in b2 then b3 only maybe 6 people lol or 3
depends if they want to go there
verbal marsh
I would imagine you don't tend to run into people easily in b1
smoky yoke
sometimes it turns pve only mode in inferno maps cause no one wants to go there
3 vs monsters lol
and even if people dislike pve, they still like doing pve there somehow
very often happens to be only 3 people in inferno maps
verbal marsh
Well if they make integrated que's that won't be a huge issue.
Did they mention whether they were adding some quest during the next pt?
wintry forge
<@779106421236563990> i dont like that suggestion
Why not?
opal sparrow
Why not?
the devs should probably focus more on the game in general, than animate every single action differently.
smoky yoke
not a good reason to downvote a potential good idea though
wintry forge
the devs should probably focus more on the game in general, than animate every s...
It's immersion breaking.
opal sparrow
not a good reason to downvote a potential good idea though
Animation adds more cost and time in production
smoky yoke
the devs would focus on the game regardless
you can suggest one thing just to keep in consideration stuff for a future time
verbal marsh
there is some professional satire in the way the animations were done imo
a bit o' a pantomime
wintry forge
there is some professional satire in the way the animations were done imo
Still, I hope it's just a placeholder animation. It's not a comedic game.
verbal marsh
Its better then the concept of adding loot goblins
agile condor
I wouldn't mind better animations but I'm also fine with the current ones
agile condor
Its better then the concept of adding loot goblins
I mean, that's subjective lol
verbal marsh
I argue the point tosses finger up dramatically
smoky yoke
I wouldn't mind better animations but I'm also fine with the current ones
they could add the praying animation from cleric, when you pray to statues
like some user suggested which is nice as idea
and they have already the animation
but for every class
verbal marsh
no pray animation that will just be people giving head.
smoky yoke
why?
agile condor
They could add hundreds or thousands of animations, it's nearly endless. Some more might be nice, but people will always ask for more.
smoky yoke
this one is already present though, it's just a matter to add it when you pray to the statues
it does fit
verbal marsh
during the interaction que would be fine
smoky yoke
when you interact with the statue, i think there isnt even any animation
or just the classic one
agile condor
I'm out for the night, behave & be nice XD
verbal marsh
not as a self driven emote however, dont need priest trying to give me head
wintry forge
They could add hundreds or thousands of animations, it's nearly endless. Some m...
Some is better than 1.
smoky yoke
during the interaction que would be fine
obviously, it's what i meant
when you interact with the statue getting the buff
the statues look like fantasy gods to me, makes sense there would be some praying animation while you get the buff
agile condor
Some is better than 1.
I guess my thought is, does 5 more animations make me enjoy the game more. I'm not yet convinced but wouldn't complain about it either
smoky yoke
mica vista julian to the statues
verbal marsh
If they thy do a pray emote they should always have the fingers touching the forehead and to fingers facing the sky so its more like that Japanese joke kids play
I would be okay with them being annoying that way but no low hands lol
Nope more I think about the more I prefer the animations how they are
rocky oar
I just want my Warlock class
verbal marsh
gumu gumu gumu
agile condor
Nope more I think about the more I prefer the animations how they are
I don’t think adding a few more will take away from the game, but any heavy focus on this might imo
verbal marsh
Only really need most popular in souls styled game. Any more is just extra.
Surrender, point, cutthroat were perfect.
rocky oar
I would love warlock with demon imp or sucubus pet type deal but I doubt that would happen
pets are always impossible to balance in this type of game
granite plinth
@wintry forge why u dont like my suggestion?
granite plinth
devil fruits will make the game fun
steady cloud
I like ur idea it gives good and unique gameplay @granite plinth
agile condor
I don’t like it either
Same - only see it making the game worse. Feel free to explain more though
granite plinth
I like ur idea it gives good and unique gameplay <@456226577798135808>
yeah fruit dungeon hunting more purpose
vapid minnow
Because its from One Piece.
granite plinth
Because its from One Piece.
people dont like one piece?
vapid minnow
You want this company to face a lawsuit as well as change their entire modus operandi just because you're a fan of one piece?*
rocky oar
I just hate how people keep suggesting shit that will never happen when they have stated this game is based of the DnD fantasy setting
agile condor
Probably best to ignore & move on, I’d imagine if someone here is posting to truly troll, then an argument is exactly what they’re looking for
agile condor
Same actually hah
granite plinth
You want this company to face a lawsuit as well as change their entire modus ope...
it doesnt have to be exact... u can have the idea
vapid minnow
it doesnt have to be exact... u can have the idea
Wish you luck buddy.
You're getting my downvote.
agile condor
Lawsuits aside, I just think it’s a bad idea that doesn’t make the game better in any way. Also it doesn’t do anything for Rangers sooo… rip hah
granite plinth
you can add benefits for rangers too, maybe a knockback effect
I alt-tabbed from my game and now it crashed... GG
agile condor
Ehh I think if you want these type of temporary abilities or abilities like you described, say that in the suggestion or think of a way/flavor that at least comes close to the current game
granite plinth
indie games with no windowed fullscreen option smh
did this game have a windowed full screen or should i suggest it
agile condor
Hmm, I’ll answer but did you play the game? As a windowed full screen gamer, wouldn’t you already know?
agile condor
It supported windowed full screen
gaunt scroll
Probably best to ignore & move on, I’d imagine if someone here is posting to tru...
almost happen but fail 
that guy still looking to troll and want to argue
ionic mango
@steady cloud just link ur credit card to them at this point man
so they can develop the game faster, give them ur money, you sound like u want to anyways
steady cloud
<@143929820693266432> just link ur credit card to them at this point man
if they give me gm powers and make me always win then i will give them ok ?
elder heart
for everyone who wants a solo que just git gud
rocky oar
lol
ionic mango
@steady cloud but u wanna pay for classes and items, thats not gm powers anyways, so just give them the money
manic iron
for everyone who wants a solo que just git gud
i like playing solo in a 3man lobby but some people dont
elder heart
Thats their problem
manic iron
if they give me gm powers and make me always win then i will give them ok ?
why do all your suggestions cost money aswell?
may aswell just say you want p2w right?
ionic mango
whos getting butthurt hes saying git gud
manic iron
only problem with text tbh lol
rocky oar
I like solo as an option. I was top 15 last playtest so I is the gud but, having solo is always nice when ya don't wanna deal with 3 mans anymore for a bit
smoky yoke
sometimes it's possible to find solo players as solo
manic iron
I like solo as an option. I was top 15 last playtest so I is the gud but, having...
yh thats what i was thinking tbh
i think duo isnt a good option tho
only solo and trio
manic iron
sometimes it's possible to find solo players as solo
true i played solo a lot
smoky yoke
for now it appears that the maps and disposition of enemies are designed for trios
even though of course it's possible doing solo still
smoky yoke
true i played solo a lot
same
manic iron
yh im not opposed to just trio but i feel would make more people play the game
which is all i want
smoky yoke
ah maybe for sure
but they could also do the matchmaking
where it can put you in a trio already
the problem is that who knows if they will be real friends or just toxic people doing team kill
manic iron
but i feel like adding p2w is defo not the way to go
smoky yoke
they wont
manic iron
yeah i mean look at tarkov no one teams up with randoms unless through discord
you know someones getting blsated at start haha
smoky yoke
i guess like in any other game
so yea
i dont mind solo que
but it may split up the playerbase
muted crag
What the hell does eveeyone even mean by solo que at this point?
smoky yoke
if we found the games instantly it was because there was no matchmaking at all splitted in stuff
manic iron
it would have to be tested tho coz like you said the dungeons are made for 3 mans
so you only matchmake against other solos
muted crag
Lame
rocky oar
It's the norm
smoky yoke
adding solo que could impact the matchmaking
rocky oar
In literally any PvP game
manic iron
yh thats why if anything id only say solo and not duo
smoky yoke
and you may find less players
the thing it seems like even if there are few people, the game starts regardless
manic iron
as 3 gamemodes would be too much
muted crag
Yeah. Those are lame.
smoky yoke
so even if you are solo in the lobby, it would make you start
even if there arent people lol
muted crag
The threat of there being a 3 man team must persist.
manic iron
tbh tho it doesnt stop solos join trio lobbies happens in most games
people wanna set records for kills solo in trio lobbies
as i said idc i play wizard so solo is fine
smoky yoke
manic iron
but if it gets more scrubs into the game im down
muted crag
Fighter solo was smooth last test.
smoky yoke
i like wiz rogue and ranger solo
the most reliable for solo
manic iron
barb aint it tho for me loool
smoky yoke
and even inferno maps maybe
gaunt scroll
has speed has invisibility and has dps the bad stuff is low hp
smoky yoke
cleric 🥲
rocky oar
Some people don't like playing with others so there's Solo which is nice. Then there is 3 mans and ima be honest, I don't like running into a solo player cause its like wtf. They have no fighting chance and I'm here trying to get a good PvP fight
smoky yoke
Some people don't like playing with others so there's Solo which is nice. Then t...
i think people may still cooperate even in solo que
doing squads
muted crag
The arrow delay of bows on ranger is fo much for me, and I do bot speak for the arrows travel time, but the time it takes for an arrow to spawn in flight once fired.
manic iron
The arrow delay of bows on ranger is fo much for me, and I do bot speak for the ...
yh i have to take 3 arrow and quick shot skill tbh
and just take pots for heals
but i have my ranger set up for headshots
manic iron
never really used spears on ranger might have to try it lol
just wish the game was up now haha
gonna have to go back to tarkov i guess
muted crag
Nothing better than keeping rogues at bay with a long stabbing stick to the face when all they have is a needle.
manic iron
honestly the worst feeling is going to a room with no shield and getting rushed by 3 rogues
just got to accept your fate at that point
wary shell
Based boob slider suggestion
muted crag
-move speed for the cow status.
steady cloud
why do all your suggestions cost money aswell?
Its how every game is played ? U pay money u become stronger then win ? U play for fun not to lose
manic iron
Its how every game is played ? U pay money u become stronger then win ? U play f...
you're buggin
for irl money?
muted crag
It is the standard we are looking to break, Desolent.
steady cloud
I paid 10k for epic 7 and im not even top 10k
manic iron
yh dunno what that is meant to mean
muted crag
It means they're a whale.
manic iron
ooof
muted crag
That, or theyre some tencent/EA agent doing their worst to ruin things, along with Bean.
smoky yoke
imagine if tencent will try to contact dark and darker 🥲
but i have faith they would just refuse the proposal
manic iron
fr defo smoking on that EA pack
smoky yoke
early access is fine btw
the thing is that they have already planned a deadline for the ea
it's pointless asking to release the game now
muted crag
Much is still yet to be done.
smoky yoke
yea
smoky yoke
Much is still yet to be done.
also the devs said that
steady cloud
yh dunno what that is meant to mean
Its the best mobile game and its pvp but its hard
smoky yoke
they said many features are still missing
steady cloud
they said many features are still missing
I cant wait for pvp toggle
muted crag
You literally cant, as it wont happen.
smoky yoke
now seems like they are working to implement VOIP
hopefully it's like a proximity chat
but i guess its going to be like that
manic iron
early access is fine btw
the thing is that they have already planned a deadline...
we was talking about the company EA
smoky yoke
not sure if it does really fit the game but, extra stuff in the end
smoky yoke
we was talking about the company EA
ah right
smoky yoke
EA it's dead as company
but since they are famous they keep going somehow
manic iron
somehow lol
manic iron
no more fifa games now
smoky yoke
the same stuff
but luckily also those people are finally seeing how ea is bad
manic iron
they stopped paying for license
smoky yoke
lol
somber wind
Literally existing off of inertia be like
somber wind
Passive income be crazy
manic iron
you know
smoky yoke
when ea wasnt yet the classic company
manic iron
same with activision blizzard aswell
somber wind
resting on their laurels and whatnot
somber wind
same with activision blizzard aswell
oh 1000%
manic iron
and ubisoft
smoky yoke
rip
manic iron
the big 3 are trash
smoky yoke
at some point everyone turns bad
taking bad decisions
i dont like how commercial games are
manic iron
yh fr
somber wind
the big 3 are trash
Off topic, great name btw
manic iron
ty haha
smoky yoke
thats why i like what ironmace stated in their website
somber wind
Same
smoky yoke
We’ve seen first hand how corporate game companies sell their soul for the easy payday. We are disappointed to see them doubling down on more and more exploitative practices, becoming more like casinos instead of bringing joy to gamers.
somber wind
AAA for the most part is corrupt and it's because at THIS point they've become old money
smoky yoke
yes
modern games have no originality
and some companies just aim for marketing only with ambitious games
somber wind
If you look at the designers and programmers for the games they release now and then go back to the games that you consider good NONE of them are there anymore.
smoky yoke
like forspoken, it will be mixed with reviews imo
going to be bad
can also mark my words
somber wind
Something that makes me extremely sad though
which is much worse than a company losing it's stars that make them good
it's when they do and then they are used at another company that doesn't accentuate their talent.
smoky yoke
yea they just hire programmers and designers and tell them what to do
even if those programmers and designers maybe would operate in a different way but they cant cause under control of the companies and also it's not their game rip
too bad
somber wind
An example is James Wilson, James Wilson was an AMAZING level designer
He made INSANELY good FPS levels
He's now the level designer for Diablo as of Diablo 3
manic iron
and mw2 the game was great and they instantly fired nearly everyone
somber wind
That does NOT play into his talents
manic iron
the old mw2
somber wind
and mw2 the game was great and they instantly fired nearly everyone
That too
manic iron
literally fire everyone who makes your best selling game lol
smoky yoke
yea most of time it's the company that changes
smoky yoke
literally fire everyone who makes your best selling game lol
and give them just the 1% of earnings
somber wind
they are not replaceable
Artists can for sure be insanely important too
but that's only if you're stylized
manic iron
same with VAs
somber wind
VAs can be very important too yeah
manic iron
and give them just the 1% of earnings
yh sucks for devs
somber wind
I always forget about that because a ton of the games I play usually don't have VAs
That is one thing, Voice acting has held us back pretty hard when it comes to expansive writing for games
smoky yoke
rip the good old times
now there's only commercial games
somber wind
Nah we have indie game developers making it big everyday now
manic iron
That is one thing, Voice acting has held us back pretty hard when it comes to ex...
yh fr
smoky yoke
yes
somber wind
Here's the thing
smoky yoke
Nah we have indie game developers making it big everyday now
at least that
somber wind
Rare, Naughty Dog, etc. all of those USED to be Indie by the definition we have now
Banjo Kazooie was made by dudes in a Garage
smoky yoke
yes
somber wind
Literally
manic iron
swear destiny 2 had someone famous voice the robot thingy and replaced him lol
somber wind
Indie isn't some weird title for the unimportant
AAA is the title that is meaningless
AAA just means old money
which means major disconnect
manic iron
yh cyberpunk was AAA that was dog****
somber wind
Ok to be fair to Cyberpunk
The programmers thought they had 3 years more of dev time
smoky yoke
cyberpunk slightly improved a bit at least
somber wind
when they announced it was 6 months away from release
is when the Devs got told
it was 6 months from release
smoky yoke
but very bad launch
manic iron
yh cant lie ill never jump back on it even if they improved it
manic iron
i played 20 mins and then never touched it again
somber wind
that game could've been great
It's similar to what Bethesda did to Fallout New Vegas
somber wind
Bethesda told them they had 16 months to work on F:NV
At Month 9
they were told they ACTUALLY had 12 months
and told to finish up
smoky yoke
It was the publisher's fault
iirc it was some scission where half of the team wanted to release it and half of them didnt want
but yea there was also the publisher that forced them
manic iron
NV was amazing tho
somber wind
Oh 100%
somber wind
NV was amazing tho
but do you know what was missing?
nocturne tinsel
New Vegas probably not the best example for your point, it won GOY.
somber wind
All of North West freeside
And ALL of post game
you know those endings?
They were supposed to happen
manic iron
tbf i didnt get it at launch
somber wind
Oh dude on launch it was a horrid thing
smoky yoke
they are great games, but imo it's also because the mods that fix countless and adds even infinite content about bethesda games
manic iron
i can imagine haha
wait is that the one where mateys head spins at start?
if so i did
somber wind
Yes
manic iron
ahh lol
smoky yoke
to me if a game wins goty doesnt mean much also
somber wind
New Vegas probably not the best example for your point, it won GOY.
Nah I get that but my point was Cyberpunk got screwed the same way but instead of losing 4 months they lost 3 years.
smoky yoke
cyberpunk got the labour of love somehow when they didnt deserve it
smoky yoke
look at halo infinite
halo died after halo 3 imo
manic iron
rushed and takes them stupidly long to release anything new
smoky yoke
to be kind maybe after halo 4
somber wind
Halo died after 3 because the dev team said "Ok this is the last one" then they were told OK make 1 more and we will REALLY bed one "Ok Reach, this is disconnected from the story so it's fine"
manic iron
reach i didnt like
somber wind
and then the game was given to 343
smoky yoke
rip
nocturne tinsel
GOY back then meant a lot more than it does now, that's true. It's relative though, because the only game recently that's deserving of that title and what it used to mean, is elden ring
manic iron
reach is part of the lore in a sense but its still dog
somber wind
Bungie didn't care when making it is why
manic iron
fall of reach is a book and probably one of the only books ive read lol
somber wind
Halo 3 was best
manic iron
1000%
somber wind
I liked Reach though for a few things
smoky yoke
you could even use the arbiter in the campaign as 2nd player in local coop
somber wind
Forge mode in Reach was glorious
smoky yoke
in halo 3
nocturne tinsel
New Vegas winning was literally 13 years ago. That's like an eternity in gaming lol
somber wind
Same
smoky yoke
lets go
somber wind
Dark and Darker is something I've been wanting for awhile
nocturne tinsel
Dark and Darker is the ONLY game and game company I'm excited about. Open up steam, look at the Top Sellers, and it's all trash. Not Dark and Darker though, it is really special.
somber wind
I've literally had the same idea in my head for forever (not exactly 1:1 but the core of it), I'm so happy to see someone has actually done something close to what I wanted and ended up blowing my idea out of the water.
sacred hill
Dark and Darker is the ONLY game and game company I'm excited about. Open up st...
Havent played anything since 5 years, but waiting on this game
nocturne tinsel
Okay, to be fair, Elden Ring is also something special, but we are talking extreme exceptions to the rule, right?
somber wind
Dark and Darker is the ONLY game and game company I'm excited about. Open up st...
Mason Lindroth, Flow Fire Games, Soraath, Strange Scaffold, Mr. Pink and From Software is great.
From Software is unlike most AAA because they just make what they want.
Armored Core wouldn't be coming back otherwise
smoky yoke
slightly disagree about from software at technical level
smoky yoke
they seems to be unable to expand their games for pc platform
somber wind
Seriously you can open their Param files with Excel
smoky yoke
yes
somber wind
The back end is horrible
nocturne tinsel
I code in LUA, it's not a bad language, but it isn't C#. Using Excel is like 90s software development, and super sketchy.
smoky yoke
they even left holes in dark souls 3, hackers could even access your pc
it doesnt surprise me
somber wind
Reminder that Dark Souls 3 still has code from Kings Field in it
You can find it
It's actually still there
smoky yoke
imagine being that company that leaves holes where hackers can access your pc
but somehow no one said nothing about
somber wind
Oh here's a funny one
smoky yoke
yea
smoky yoke
king's field different times
somber wind
SO
Dark Souls 1 when it came out
had the models and UV maps
for a portion of Gears of War in it
smoky yoke
from software did many games, even the most unknown ones such kuon
nocturne tinsel
Have you read the mission statement from Ironmace? It is exactly what all the gamers want from a studio, and yet, we can only hand pick a few studios that actually deliver on the promise.
somber wind
Yeah we mentioned it earlier
but yeah after the patch since then for Dark Souls 1
we HAVE found that the Chainsawgun is still in there
but without textures
nocturne tinsel
"Our Mission
We are a merry band of veteran game developers disillusioned by the exploitative and greedy practices we once helped create. We are experts who have worked on many of the biggest hits in Korea.
We’ve seen first hand how corporate game companies sell their soul for the easy payday. We are disappointed to see them doubling down on more and more exploitative practices, becoming more like casinos instead of bringing joy to gamers.
We’re fighting to win back the hearts of gamers around the world. We believe that by creating games with soul, and by respecting our users we can usher in a renaissance of awesome video games direct from Korea."
smoky yoke
elden ring using the same animations of demons souls 2009 lol
sacred hill
Have you read the mission statement from Ironmace? It is exactly what all the g...
could be a marketing stunt, lets see what they actually do
somber wind
Of course
We'll see when the monetization enters the game
The Skeleton skin scared me
even though I like the idea of races
smoky yoke
needs also to see if they do fomo
fomo even when money are not in, its still bad
regardless
somber wind
Fomo is fine tbh, cosmetics are not important
Like obviously it's bad but it's not like
BAD
smoky yoke
to me its never fine
nocturne tinsel
It could be marketing, but I think it might not be just marketing. At least I hope it isn't. How soul crushing would that be if it was?
somber wind
That said, again it's bad
smoky yoke
and fomo it's also used for other psychological tricks from greedy companies
somber wind
but not enough for me to say "On principle I will stop playing"
Oh I literally never buy cosmetics because they have no value
Only earned cosmetics do
It's either like
OOO this guy has this really hard to get skin that only 1% players have due to the difficulty of unlocking it
vs.
Nice Wallet
smoky yoke
i dont buy cosmetics either, i just like when they give the choice to buy them whenever you want and if you want
same works for the obtainable ones for free
nocturne tinsel
I love this game, but watching people play it 24/7 for leaderboards reminds me of those kids dying inside gaming cafes in Asia. I'm never making a leaderboard, that was a thing I cared about as a teenager.
smoky yoke
it's still experimental the leaderboard, at least for what they said
somber wind
I'd rather they did it like Let It Die's cosmetics, they're on a cycling timer; they never go away and are always available but only 6 cosmetics are available at a time and it changes which ones are there each week so sometimes it takes quite abit to come back around.
smoky yoke
but i doubt they are going to remove it
somber wind
If they'll do Fomo at all I mean
smoky yoke
i played let it die as well
smoky yoke
the osts good
and also in the radio one
somber wind
Oh the OST is insane
They spent far too much money on it and the voice actors though
smoky yoke
but thats still very bad, and also too bad with their monetization
even if in the end if you play a lot you can go through floors but still
somber wind
As long as it has no form of Pay to Win I'm happy tbh
somber wind
but thats still very bad, and also too bad with their monetization
even if in t...
Eh I F2P all the way to Floor 201
But some of it's monetization is for sure really bad
smoky yoke
yes
somber wind
I don't mind the vending machine since you cant whale with it but the stew was messed up and the resurrect was messed up.
also Timers, screw timers
somber wind
I think the best way to do MTX for Dark and Darker would be paid cosmetics as well as a Seasonal supporter pack for cosmetics.
Seasonal Packs don't need to expire though, so no Fomo.
smoky yoke
great
somber wind
The idea WOULD be though what Path of Exile does where there is levels of Supporter.
Going from $10 to $500
smoky yoke
with fomo you just want people not even buy the game at all, its bad fomo
cause a portion of people when hear about fomo they just go away straight away
somber wind
Fomo when I care about whatever it is makes me not want to play
smoky yoke
better if there isnt any
somber wind
If I join late
It's why when I found Let it die originally and that Promotional event with Decals that would be discontinued already happened
Made it so I waited until PC version to play
smoky yoke
Going from $10 to $500
slightly exaggerated imo especially for this type of game
somber wind
Since it'd be separate servers
somber wind
slightly exaggerated imo especially for this type of game
I don't think so, all it was is cosmetics there too
smoky yoke
poe also f2p in the end so it is normal to have 500$ pack
somber wind
the $500 is literally just an outfit
somber wind
True but they were saying they want to at minimum support this game for 10 years with updates
smoky yoke
i dont mind cosmetics in dark and darker as long they will be forever available
somber wind
(Terence said it in an Interview)
smoky yoke
theres no reason to make them unavailable
somber wind
Oh I agree
What I was saying is just having Normal Cosmetics and Seasonal Cosmetics which also have price scaling for people who really want to help the developers
smoky yoke
they hinted a kickstarter
usually you can even put 5000$
somber wind
The $500 one is more of a donation to the company and less actual cosmetics with that worth
Straight up I feel like they should do a Patreon or something
smoky yoke
the problem is that to compensate they will give some extra stuff for who supports for different tiers
but hopefully they backers will get those stuff for first and then in future they add those same thing later
the point of kickstarter shouldnt be the one to get the extra stuff, but to support really from the bottom of the heart
if they would ever do a kickstarter
somber wind
As long as the tiers literally don't give anything of insane value I think it's fine
i'd be fine with like
smoky yoke
but usually kickstarter can also be universal goals
like bloodstained once did lol
somber wind
Titles or VIP Discord Channel
smoky yoke
like if they reack 10,000$ then they do x
somber wind
Stretch goals and the such
somber wind
But they've said this in the past that they really don't know 100% where they're going since they're changing all the time
smoky yoke
rip
somber wind
Which could make the stretch goals lies or worse lock them into something they don't want to do
smoky yoke
the goals are cool
in the kickstarter if they set properly
somber wind
They said they don't even want to do road maps
smoky yoke
those goals isnt a road map
somber wind
It becomes one in a way
smoky yoke
it's a roadmap only if they reach the funds
smoky yoke
yes, if they reach the funds they ask
somber wind
For example
smoky yoke
like PVE toggle on at 100,000$ ! ! 1 !
lol
smoky yoke
roadmap but doesnt mean they will do until backers will crowfund that
somber wind
Yeah it's just it locks them into doing it even if they realize it'd hurt the game
for example if the said "Races including Dwarves"
If they realize Dwarves due to height would be bad for the game's balance
they cant back out of it
but they already promised it
smoky yoke
roadmap from the kickstarter is not 100%
cause it depends by the funding
official roadmaps are usually other, declared on steam usually or in other places
somber wind
So if they reach that goal
and they realize it was a bad idea
They either risk damaging the game
OR
risk backlash
smoky yoke
yes rip
but for kickstarter goals i usually would expect other
we will see when they will do it
then theres also the preorders for the early access from steam that helps to support even if steam takes the 33% rip
somber wind
I'm honestly thinking like
4 years down the line
when everyone who is going to play it is playing it with a slow trickle
of new players
smoky yoke
10yrs of support for dark and darker
then the 2nd game from ironmace
who knows what will be their 2nd game
somber wind
They DID say minimum 10
elder heart
maybe they wont make another game
somber wind
It also doesn't mean they cant make another game during it
smoky yoke
maybe they wont make another game
maybe
smoky yoke
It also doesn't mean they cant make another game during it
true
somber wind
but if they want this to be their opus project they could just pull a grinding gear games and make it their only game
that they put all of their power into
smoky yoke
maybe they will expand devs in the studio after the support from the first game
smoky yoke
yea id focus in one game as well
elder heart
like kingdom come: deliverance devs said that they wont make another game since they already made a shit load of money
smoky yoke
lol
somber wind
Night o/
smoky yoke
night
sacred hill
@neon pecan Keep in mind the game design wants you to use your gear and gold and not store million gold worth of items and that's why its limited, but should be optimised obviously
neon pecan
@sacred hill 100% agree!
lucid root
All those levers and knobs need to be tuned right, stash size, season length, drop rate.
Economy things
real trellis
I agree with the exit portal column suggestion. Once you have opened it, there should be nothing other than another player invis-stealing it or mobs catching you to prevent you from leaving, but I've had several close calls where the dang rock the scroll is on has almost gotten me killed before I could touch the portal
I don't think that's "difficulty" as much as it's "finicky and annoying"
I assume that just deleting them would cause the portal they spawn to vanish too, since they're probably linked objects, so I'm not sure how they would go about reconciling the situation
lucid root
#d-and-d-suggestions message
Best God damn suggestion
opaque tusk
I have a suggestion, but cant figure out how to add it. Anyone?
opaque tusk
Wow thanks! That channel was not appearing until you sent it.
lucid root
The server is haunted, channel categories collapse on their own
smoky yoke
I agree with the exit portal column suggestion. Once you have opened it, there s...
i dont like cause i was used to open red portals that spawned near doors and people were forced to take the red portal lol
imo there should be the collision
opaque tusk
I agree with the exit portal column suggestion. Once you have opened it, there s...
I've had that same issue before, then i realized you can jump crouch on top of the stone and the problem went away.
smoky yoke
imo it would be bad removing them, part of the game in the end
else i feel like it would be easy to steal them
opaque tusk
@real trellis Why the thinking vote for silver coins to be made into Silver items?
smoky yoke
knowing there is a column i feel like at least you are slightly protected and you can observe only one pathway while you do extra looting cause 
without the column makes you want just to leave
real trellis
<@183137719516528640> Why the thinking vote for silver coins to be made into Si...
Don't know how I feel about it yet therefore thinking emoji
opaque tusk
Fair enough. I played a lot of AD&D and thought it would be natural for Silver laced, tipped, and crafted items to be added for "special" mobs.
We all heard of Silver being super strong against Were-type enemies, whether it be a bullet, arrows, a stake (Vampires), etc....
Appreciate the feedback.
smoky yoke
could have a sense since we even can carry for a total of 2 weapons as slot but i doubt it will happen
opaque tusk
lol...just realized you can only make one suggestion every 6 hours. 😂
smoky yoke
better
lucid root
I like the poe hideout idea, I just don't like crafting/enchanting benches
For this game
opaque tusk
How does that work?
smoky yoke
would become too much complex
lucid root
How does that work?
Which part?
exotic lotus
i read that they will add it on the interview that i saw, that is why i suggested it in the first place ^^
opaque tusk
Which part?
I'm not familiar with POE hideout at all.
lucid root
It's a player instance for crafting and enchanting gear, can decorate it and stuff
I quit right around when hideouts came out so idk the full extent of them
opaque tusk
It's a player instance for crafting and enchanting gear, can decorate it and stu...
So a more "elaborate" way to craft. Not just pressing a button at a vendor/bench?
lucid root
It kind of simplified the game in a way
opaque tusk
Right on.....i do like the suggestion for a Monster Manual of sorts. Maybe one that fills out as you encounter new mobs or killing a certain number of them?
lucid root
oh like a bestiary
opaque tusk
Yes 🙂
smoky yoke
🙇♀️
yes i suggested the bestiary, cause i think it would fit
had like 102 thumbs up
so many people agree
opaque tusk
If you post it here ill upvote for sure.
opaque tusk
Since I cant make another suggestion for hours, ill post it here. The bestiary made me think of possible trophies from killing certain mobs? Maybe in a special manner? IE, beheading Medusa, killing a Vampire with a large crossbow?
smoky yoke
something like that could work, or simply the more you kill a monster you get more knowledge
opaque tusk
Trophies = Item of high value to bring out with you. Not like an achievement.
smoky yoke
this compendium of monsters is mostly needed for numbers, to analyze how many hp have each monster, the difference in their variants elite, nightmare ect
and a counter part for high roller dungeons since they probably have different hp as well
and of course also some lore about monsters, some fancy description about them
and also hinting about their special mechanic, like that spiders spawn to pots infinitely unless broken
btw i cant find my suggestion, probably it has been deleted
opaque tusk
You mean this?
#d-and-d-suggestions message
lucid root
oop i didn't have it upvoted
exotic lotus
for me more reason to play the game = good idea ^^
smoky yoke
You mean this?
https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/10487594038195774...
ah yes, nice
not very detailed, id added more specific stuff
exotic lotus
i mean there is a lot that can still be improved, maybe a jump attack or something for red mobs or boss to counter all the cheese that we have for the moment ^^
smoky yoke
like in this lore book you can also see the model of the enemy in the right page and in the left page there are stats/numbers and the lore description
you can look at it, rotate also if you want just as extra
opaque tusk
Just like a Monster Manual.....i like it.
smoky yoke
and if you click on it, the model can perform all of his moveset
lucid root
oh damn can't even edit suggestions
smoky yoke
Just like a Monster Manual.....i like it.
yes, something similar in past has been done
its like a monstrology
exotic lotus
extend your idea to classes to so we can learn what the other class can do to
smoky yoke
ah yea, could be cool
it was a bit explained somewhere in the game but they could improve it more yea
at the bottom right there was some page where explained a bit the roles of the classes
opaque tusk
extend your idea to classes to so we can learn what the other class can do to
They kinda have something in the works for that now.....Fopdoodles?
smoky yoke
They kinda have something in the works for that now.....Fopdoodles?
yea that
lucid root
what do you guys think of my 'get up from table' idea, seamless transition from the table to a tavern hangout lobby
opaque slate
#d-and-d-suggestions message hasnt this been suggested way too many times?
smoky yoke
what do you guys think of my 'get up from table' idea, seamless transition from ...
probably it would be a thing, cause it would be also cool to chill in the tavern and testing weapons
lucid root
i mean i brought it up multiple times here i just never made a suggestion for it
smoky yoke
in the training area
lucid root
the only thing original i added was the sitting at table to tavern channel thing
exotic lotus
i mean a personnal space with a dummy is a must have anyway i think
lucid root
my idea was that when the perspective camera is switching around and your camera is locked into an orientation aimed at the table it'll do all the server connecting and loading assets
strange fiber
"Not much is known about the spiders jar though some say the jar holds a void but many not dare reach their fingers in to find out"
exotic lotus
xd
lucid root
then you can see all the peeples runnin around and the wet slappy feet
i hate spider jars 
smoky yoke
i think a compendium of monsters its what devs would added even without my suggestion cause it is kinda good to know at least how many hp have an enemy
since the game is about numbers and min maxing
then adding lore also a nice extra in the lore book
strange fiber
tru I think would they add it 100%
smoky yoke
yea
lucid root
collect notes and lore pieces to read later
strange fiber
^ that would be fun
smoky yoke
its impossible they wont add it
cause enemies do have also variants
such red skeleton, ect ect
the species? like elite, nightmare
opaque tusk
It could be called the "DnD Handbook"
strange fiber
I just want LORE 
smoky yoke
I just want LORE <:RageBarb:1061032557703082044>
yes good lore like in dark souls
smoky yoke
It could be called the "DnD Handbook"
sure
strange fiber
Dnd Handbook is here, but I think a separate monster/floor info would be nice
smoky yoke
wish something like a talking book, like librom from soul sacrifice delta
opaque tusk
collect notes and lore pieces to read later
Ohhhh....like from the dead skele's around the map? Like snippets of their diary?
smoky yoke
Dnd Handbook is here, but I think a separate monster/floor info would be nice
yea especially the fact B1 will have enemies that are easier compared to B2
a game is also good when there are stats and you can have knowledge about it
lucid root
Ohhhh....like from the dead skele's around the map? Like snippets of their diary...
i was thinking the library maybe
lucid root
maybe some of the book shelves have secret highlights like the levers
opaque tusk
i was thinking the library maybe
Yes, that too.
smoky yoke
collectibles that are visible to everyone maybe idk
and once collected all wont appear anymore i guess
dunno about that
ebon atlas
a game is also good when there are stats and you can have knowledge about it
i also like this - you can know your breakpoints etc or know how many hits and can play accordingly. also could be useful info in a pvp fight where some monsters are around
smoky yoke
i also like this - you can know your breakpoints etc or know how many hits and c...
yes
lucid root
imagine if they added new lore every season 
strange fiber
"A shambling zombie, once a former adventure as yourself, risen as walking rot, bloated with festering gas....lets not hope this happens to you"
smoky yoke
imagine if they added new lore every season <:EyesShake:1026517024932909066>
lol
probably
smoky yoke
"A shambling zombie, once a former adventure as yourself, risen as walking rot, ...
LoL
the ancient lore of dark and darker
opaque tusk
So while most of the suggestions appear to be for class updates (90% Rogues), there doesnt seem to be much for the environment. Specifically trap types and design. Any thoughts?
opaque tusk
Hmm def want a pitfall trap
Would that mean adding fall dam?
smoky yoke
i think those trap spikes could have a different design at least, they seems to be unrealistic sometimes
strange fiber
like fall into a bed of spikes for what I mean
smoky yoke
and the spikes in wall have really have a short delay
opaque tusk
Pitfall is good for sure, what about a separating wall? Like after one person passes by, a new wall falls, cutting off the party?
strange fiber
that would be funny
smoky yoke
could be cool
strange fiber
as an ambush tool as well
smoky yoke
also seems like already walls can kill players in dark and darker
opaque tusk
as an ambush tool as well
This I like xD
smoky yoke
like those secret places that you open if you stand there and it closes you can die
or like the doors in the inferno maps lol if you close them while you are in the middle you can die rip
lucid root
getting crushed by big stone doors
opaque tusk
Exactly, so instead of doing it on purpose for loot, it could trigger by proximity, or a trip wire.
lucid root
in the killfeed "borg was killed by door"
smoky yoke
getting crushed by big stone doors
yea, it happens sometimes
opaque tusk
getting crushed by big stone doors
Massive springs attached on one side that throw the door open violently?
Just an fyi, feel free to post any of my ideas as i wont be around in time to put in the suggestions myself.
smoky yoke
it was used to be not a timer but it was better to put it preventing trolls, cause usually they flood that channel with some troll suggestions
like p2w stuff lol
opaque tusk
What about a Wall Mimic? It looks "almost" like a normal wall, but swipes or grabs a player if get too close?
smoky yoke
there should be at least a visible counterplay
like it is possible to avoid the traps in the wall by just crouching
some people also suggested about doors being mimics
opaque tusk
there should be at least a visible counterplay
Agreed, in this instance there would be some form of indicator. But I dont think all traps should be countered.
The detect and disarm trap feature really should have a place.
smoky yoke
every trap seems to be counterable
even the ones in the ground
i didnt know but just by crouching or maybe walking slowly it doesnt turn them on
unless was a bug
strange fiber
I know rogues can disable some traps
smoky yoke
the giant one
and also some people were using the blue potion also
smoky yoke
I know rogues can disable some traps
i meant the big squares one
strange fiber
Though I think a ranger should be able too since his literally places traps as well lol
yea those are aids lmao
smoky yoke
yea
but for what i remembmer if you crouch as well there it wont damage but i might be wrong
i tought at first was enough to throw a torch but nope
opaque tusk
I know rogues can disable some traps
That's what im getting at. If all traps can be easily be countered and detected, then the rogues perk (which think "can be amazing") will be useless.
smoky yoke
the delay too short
the ranger's traps not very visible sometimes
but if i see a ranger, i know he may have placed traps
even the sound helps
there are counterplays
they should maybe also reworked those, cause once you are trapped you have almost no way to escape, interaction speed slow to disarm them and as soon you try, the ranger finish the job
opaque tusk
I completely agree with what's in the game right now being "counterable". I'm suggesting that in the future, there will be traps that if players don't have the detect/disarm skill, they will have to either avoid, or take the damage.
smoky yoke
in playtest #2 there was a different type of mini game it appears which according to people was very tedious so they reworked again but still now they dont feel great
they should damage you + dmg over time but not blocking you just waiting the death
cause ranger will just kill you instantly
opaque tusk
in playtest #2 there was a different type of mini game it appears which accordin...
The bear traps are definitely a WIP.
opaque tusk
Oh it will, they are adding new content for sure. That's why I'm bringing it up. And the environment/traps are important. PVP will always be a huge part, but how players maneuver around the map is also vital.
strange fiber
After AI is improved, picking rooms to fight is going to be a lot more trickery, though I always hate the final circle ending in boss rooms
opaque tusk
Improved AI is going to be a huge benefit to the game. I hope we can't just run through room by room, only worrying about other players.
lucid root
if the AI actually becomes challenging we're all effed
opaque tusk
*Barb M. Bison through door meta
lucid root
the new meta will just be don't agro anything
opaque tusk
the new meta will just be don't agro anything
Or only "pull" what the team can handle.
strange fiber
after AI is fixed people would be like heh stupid skeleton I'll just walk backw- then the skeletons thrusts forward
lucid root
oh god mobs with gap closers
strange fiber
you can say we're gonna get boned
smoky yoke
apparently 90% of internal testers died to their first monster they met
so id imagine with an improved ai
lucid root
i think i did
smoky yoke
i doubt it will change by much
just some stuff wont be not possible anymore
like cheesing at the top of some chests
opaque tusk
so id imagine with an improved ai
We all going back to the tavern quick
smoky yoke
lol
opaque tusk
i doubt it will change by much
just some stuff wont be not possible anymore
li...
Yea, i saw some streamers cheesing Inferno by standing on top of lanterns and chest. Made it look so easy.
smoky yoke
yea
strange fiber
yea for sure everything now its gonna have some ranged attack lmao
smoky yoke
only monsters that can give trouble in those spots are skeleton rangers or flying skulls
or give better pathfinding
cause if you stay at the top of a chest, mummies somehow cant attack you, even if they are so close at you
opaque tusk
I've seen that cheese work on Centaurs as well.
smoky yoke
they were using also the pavise as shield to block the path and killing the centaurs
they will probably add some durability for those shields at least
i guess
strange fiber
i hope when the centaur rams the shield, he'll ye'll IM THE JUGGARNAUT BITCHHH
opaque tusk
Yea, it doesn't seem right when you see it. Like pulling aggro from the wraith, and having your buddy crouch in a doorway to block him.
opaque tusk
i hope when the centaur rams the shield, he'll ye'll IM THE JUGGARNAUT BITCHHH
or scream "Coward!"
smoky yoke
maybe the bandits, if there would be any in the dark forest
in the first floor, of the next playtest
cause it appears that the first floor it would be located outside of the crypt, so probably in some forest
the bosses that were in B3 should have some nice cool creepy dialogues
those bosses apparently are for B2
strange fiber
hell yeah bandits make sense, I really want giant spiders though to piss my self
smoky yoke
more spiders, more giant this time