suggestion-discussion

[torpid quiver]

i loved teh idear of tera

isntantly wanted to make a magic warrior

[verbal marsh]

My guild ruined Tera for me I never really got into game.

[torpid quiver]

tehy where so overboard with saying " make your own clas ololo we are so free"

[verbal marsh]

They had some drama and fell apart before I caught up to playing with em lol

[torpid quiver]

and then it wa slimited beyond redemption

and it got worse

i give a sht about most balancing really i dont believe in balancinmg in an mmo

[verbal marsh]

I heard there was something about the endgame balancing or something

[torpid quiver]

i believe in roles that ahve to be fullfilled

group effort

if you are a minmaxed dps

you gonna kiss the ground

[rose sandal]

I do not, but I believe we are looking into it, to figure out what's going on

[torpid quiver]

if you throw fireballs with a fingerflick your get 2 out before dry of mana

[verbal marsh]

Mana is not really a dnd concept.

[torpid quiver]

thats true

but it kinda is with the slot system

its just no a hige value that freely gets split as you wish but more you ahve slots to sue up

its a bit simplified

as it needs to be to be a functioning pnp

[verbal marsh]

I think in dnd there is also a feat that empowers your spells but you get less casts of them also i forget

ill have to look at the wizards feats list

[torpid quiver]

thats what mage salways should be more power= less spells

assess the situation and SOLVE it with your intellect and magic as efficient and cleverly as possible

thats a wizard

you can still be mr FIREBALL

but sneezing fireballs is stupid af

a warrior in dnd can take out 2-3 guys in an epic battle before a wizard casts a single fireball

even tehre its reasonable

mor eto teh fact that warriors get pretty juiced

[verbal marsh]

Spell Mastery Lv 18 looks like what I was talking about

[torpid quiver]

i liked a german pendant to dnd das dunkle auge (the dark eye)

you arent as much of a god there

especially as a mage but you can do so much sht

you have your magic tool for example a staff be your battery taht you fill ove rtime with your magic to get a bigge rpool of mana

you can even build a character with mcuh minmax that uses a magically carfted sword as that battery

feels very magicy that pnp

[verbal marsh]

I like the way they've wizard as it stands.

[torpid quiver]

i was extatic to see this game has magic weapons but litetrally a dagger is betetr then anything you cna do as a mage here xD

if the devs in dark and darker keep an open mind and use the potential of this gem it could be a long lived PHENOMENON

but i already see the fantasy fortnite midnset

which will make it a true niche

i fear of that future

[verbal marsh]

I like this guys idea of every item having a crafting use, but don't care so much for his crafting ideas lol

[torpid quiver]

where did you rtead that suggestion?

[verbal marsh]

Would have to add a Fence, and make a lot of stuff purchasable for crafting hrm.

[verbal marsh]

the feedback section

[torpid quiver]

cant find it

[verbal marsh]

Would be kinda cool if some of the weapons had varying max and min lengths to present varying attack speeds

[torpid quiver]

ah suggestions

[fervent crag]

[torpid quiver]

the suggestion section is a mess

they all wnat completely new systems

[verbal marsh]

Yeah lol there isnt much worth looking at there.

[torpid quiver]

while teh game as it is, still isnt stable

the things we should think about are the more easier ways to change the base and teh existing features

make the base solid

think the classes through and where the game belongs to

because i dont see it as a pubg no matter how much i spin my big brain

[wintry forge]

@dark dagger This, or make the maps 10× bigger to make them more confusing.
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[torpid quiver]

having a small city with a tavern and more dungeons you enter ina cindictus style seems more reasonable but i dont want to suggest that

its again going into too much work

yeah thats something that SHOULD be and is easy to realize bigegr maps

maps have to eb alot bigger and portals maybe as a drop of bosses

and no circle

fk that circle

exploration is one of teh strongest thinsg this game could realize

[wintry forge]

I think having a city would slow down queue times.

[torpid quiver]

bvut im pretty sure teh devs think about that already but tehy have tehyr hands full as it is

[torpid quiver]

how do you figure?

[somber wind]

Genuinely I like it being a menu right now, it allows for everything to be to the point and feel like an oldschool game

[verbal marsh]

I would love to see a custom dungeon builder. Think it'd be easier to just give the tools to create more custom experiences.

[somber wind]

A dungeon builder would be fun for sure

Hmm

Thoughts on that being a game mechanic

where you can spend gold to build a dungeon yourself

and you cant delve it

[torpid quiver]

just a bit more immersion the feeling of a game like this is important and i totally understand your point and agree its "good as it is" but reasonable improvements that pronounce this games strenghts will amke it a bigger success

[somber wind]

but you can earn things that people lose by dying in there

Kinda like Dungeon Keeper or something

It feels abit much but

[wintry forge]

It would just slow down the pace in between games.

[somber wind]

Custom dungeons sound like such a fun idea

[verbal marsh]

Nah cant do that it'd just be a msh of player killing mechanics lol

[torpid quiver]

i would prefer a generated dungeon floor system with handcrafted room 10 room 20 etc

with safespots in between where you can root your character and from there try to go deeper

[verbal marsh]

Would have to have the points for exiting like last playtest be, then allow players to create a dungeon for x loops. If it's like enough it may find itself in a more official loop.

[torpid quiver]

player generated dungeons is something i dont see yet

gamemodes generated by player however would be cool

liek a pubg should be a warcraft mid liek think liek dota

[verbal marsh]

Then they'd have things like guild association with created dungeons, hrm for them to be delve-ble. People basically delve into one of your loop creations to do some sort of guild battle.

[torpid quiver]

to be short and summerise the things im questioning most right now : how you engage in a dungeon, how you interact with the dungeons, how you elave the dungeon.

sounds cool

sound slike too much

[verbal marsh]

Perhaps it be multi match where ea guild gets a creation and the do battle best of 3.

so creating and battling dungeons would be more of a guild thing.

[torpid quiver]

1. why would you join a guild 2. why would you battle otehr guilds 3. does it add to the worldbuilding or add top teh current game

[verbal marsh]

Guild ranks and guild rewards of course.

[torpid quiver]

right now its why not play solo? well because you get fked and you arent capable to solve everythig on your own

[verbal marsh]

Cause solo you cannot build and challenge guild dungeons, so you're not a part of the creators sector of the game.

[torpid quiver]

why do i care about guildranks? its multiplying a system that already exists and what would you getr? make it mandatory to be ain a guild? is it endgame? why are small dungeons where one can become claustrophobic why is therte a reason for bigegr groups?

it doesnt fit with what the game is right now its 4 steps ahead

the previous 3 steps have to be done before

one step after another is the only way to make a reasonable step towards your guildsystem

if i where a developer i would get a headache of these suggestions

[verbal marsh]

lol

They already have plans to impliment a guild and faction system.

[torpid quiver]

sure but as a novelty

"oh im part of a guild my name shows upo in its register and we chat and feel liek we belong"

[verbal marsh]

Yep no telling what they'll do with it.

[torpid quiver]

guilds should only be build for purposes

but for that the game needs depth

like i said floor system where you delve deeper and deeper

where your guild has "conquered flor 34"

[verbal marsh]

yep; is why I suggest custom tools, its easier to have other people build those 100 levels lol.

[torpid quiver]

if we wanna throw it out of the ballpark here that would be a way to implement crafting because there are safefloors every so and so floor where you can build a small settlement under teh rule of your guild

traffic and trade would be taxed of course

would give an incentive to delve would give a purpose and prestige

player crafted content will never work

i mean ina real game

[verbal marsh]

yeah cause nwn was never a thinig gigachad

lol

[torpid quiver]

ppl troll

ppl put low effort out

ppl grief

adjusting a florr is one thing

but completely creating content of the real game is impossible

as a gamemode yes or as an isntanced giuild wuarters sure

you could delve deep and bring trophys for your guild hall sure

incentive reason etc all given

but dnd right now is a pubg with fantasy

you cnat even enter the tavern on your own

the thought of crafting and floor building is outlandish

the devs have clearly an idear what tehy want the game to be

a pubg tarkov etc

in fantasy

i hope tehy realize there are alot of eyes on them and that tehy have a gem on hand and can dream A BIT bigger

but its hard to make serious suggestions witholut knowing what teh devs really want

so i really think this suggestion part of discord makes little to no sense especially since tehy wrote too small changes shouldnt be suggested

i think they mean stuff like 10% more dmg to arming sword and stuff

but maybe it means tehy themselves arent certain where to go or place the game

just like fortnite as we know was just a simple gamemode of the real agme tehy wanted to make but blew off and teh base game vanished+

wish the devs would interact here a bit more but im not on often since i myself dont know in which direction i should go and how to treat the game

#d-and-d-suggestions message

i like the idear of class skills and weapon skills/movements ets

[lucid root]

Oh damn the pressures on

[torpid quiver]

#d-and-d-suggestions message skins are a great thing in general but sinc ethe devs seem to have a huge focus on immersion and balancing that could conflict

[torpid quiver]

if tehy wish to live up to that yes if they dont care and just wnated a small project as a new formed team they dohnt have much pressure

#d-and-d-suggestions messagepretty sure thats coming either way the game is basically not functioning without

#d-and-d-suggestions message clerics already can revive without shrines which is huge having them also revive without limitation at shrines is excessive and especially aslong as the circle exists tehres no reason to do that

#d-and-d-suggestions messageyup

#d-and-d-suggestions message with every fiber of what teh game is right now and what teh devs stated a offline modus would heavily conflict

#d-and-d-suggestions message quite a huge programming effort to corssplatform it teh game isnt even big enough of in depth enough for it, teh development would outweigh the benefits excessively

#d-and-d-suggestions message one word, shieldbash baffles me it doenst exist.

#d-and-d-suggestions message paladins arent healer they are heavy armored crusaders blessed by the light and therefore can somewhat invoke similiar feats then a cleric but arent nearly as proficient or dedicated as a cleric in teh healing crafts

[cosmic thistle]

So much input! Lovely.

[torpid quiver]

the game deserves at least that mucxh

[glacial bridge]

i would love for the devs to come out and take a stance that puts a lot of the repeat discussions to rest.

[lucid root]

Maybe this was all part of their plan...stick us in here and make us argue like the little ants we are

Anyway...back to talking about wizard buffs

[torpid quiver]

well do they even wanna keep the circle for instance or what did they envision with the game its redicolous to make suggestions out of the blue

neitehr do we know how to properly suggest something thats relevant at all nor do the devs have an easy time skimming through all the bullshit and are wasting time on it

as i understand wizards do not need a buff they seem quite op

though is skimmed through the stats and not only are wizards underrepresented, while arguably being the most favoured class by all of nerds but also reflect that in escapes and kills

im btw a warrior player through and through just to put the efforts i put into imagining wizards into perspective

[lucid root]

nerd...? 🤓

[torpid quiver]

absolutely degenerated four eyes

a nerd

proudly so of course

[lucid root]

Why thank you

[torpid quiver]

well im a bald muscular guy

i dont look the part but my soul is that of a nerd

[lucid root]

I'm more afraid of the baldness than anything

[torpid quiver]

i look damn good bald

well started with 14 years so no way to get aroiund it anyways

[lucid root]

May i say you've had quite the character arc thus far

[torpid quiver]

im 28 years and feel liek ive lived too long

[lucid root]

Ahh...closeted wizard main

[torpid quiver]

what do you associate a "closeted wizard main2 with?

[lucid root]

The i'm 28 and feel like ive lived a lifetime part

[torpid quiver]

sht happened

definitely became insane in my pursuit of reason

sense and reason that is

[lucid root]

You know what i'm going to upvote MrBeanz

[frosty creek]

thx

[torpid quiver]

#d-and-d-suggestions message absolutely on that but be reasonable we got a roudn based one dungeoin game and you wnat a whole mmorpg thats like 100 times more effort to build so imagine the devs do 100 dark and darker isntead of one ....

[glacial bridge]

no.

[lucid root]

Really going against the grain here

[torpid quiver]

and if anything is going to be decorated and there are rooms it has to be a guild hall with trophys

if teh devs would be open for such changes i would be full on for it+

[lucid root]

i want my own custom placard from the devs that says "this stupid idiot playtested our game"

[cosmic thistle]

Guilds are confirmed. Not sure how a guild hall would be implemented.

[torpid quiver]

i know that guilds are confirmed but im pretty sure it will be to teh sam degree as ladders

so its pretty much irrelevant as content and just a novelty and guild hall implementation would need a vindictus like kinda game

you have a settlement where ppl spawn and group up and then instanced dungeons you enter

its the most effort you could reasonable implement into dark and darker without making a completely new game

[verbal marsh]

#d-and-d-suggestions message what do you think Tharsis

I'm aiming fo r100 votes.

[hollow sentinel]

durability yes, bonus weapon stats no thanks

[verbal marsh]

darn I really liked the kill count idea too; Be like Skeleton Slaying: Unlock 20 skeleton kills and it becomes blue.

[hollow sentinel]

that kind of thing only really makes it harder for fresh players to jump in

[verbal marsh]

Tru hrm

But it could also make unlocking rares more interesting.

Kinda be a dice roll between its avg stats, and the hidden ones until unlocked.

I've always felt like gear progression is always the real endgame.

As it stands it wouldn't take long for the highest lv players to commonly use the same equipment repeatedly so it may as well be drawn out as a bit of endgame progression.

[white cliff]

@dark dagger They want memorizing the map to be a skill, they don’t want it to be random or procedurally generated.

[faint dirge]

Being able to reroll bonus stats would be nice

[visual goblet]

Seems there are less and less new suggestions! Good job everyone

[wintry forge]

No suggestions in 4 hours.

[visual goblet]

And way less in last 3-4 days than the 3-4 before

Means we kinda had all the good ones maybe?

Or people care less but I doubt it 😂

🤓

People want some kind of lobby gold sink tho, when ure bored or whatever

[wintry forge]

Are there any mobs that coordinate their attacks together?

[sullen gazelle]

"Add a late game mechanic that incentivizes players to stay until the final circle." @wintry forge I love this suggestion, I was actually thinking that it should be more rewarding to be the last alive and have higher chance of survival rate or something

[visual goblet]

Don’t think so?

[magic yacht]

Being the last alive shouldn't necessarily make it easier to survive though, because normally at that point the circle is about to fully close.

[sullen gazelle]

huh

[visual goblet]

What kind of mechanics ? Something like big chests spawning right at the end in the middle or something?

[sullen gazelle]

that makes no sense

[visual goblet]

It makes sense in a sense but in another sense it doesn’t

[wintry forge]

I left it general so it's up to the devs. Make it too specific and it often gets down voted.

[magic yacht]

The incentive to last longer is using the down or escape portals

Down leads to more loot while escape allows you to leave

[visual goblet]

Exactly! But off the record any ideas?

[magic yacht]

Keep in mind there are other modes being added as well like one easier than the one in the playtest

(levels)

[visual goblet]

But I like it harder dad 😦

Dad as in dark and darker I wasn’t calling you daddy😖

[sullen gazelle]

boon I think u just haven't played as a team with 2 other ppl, the likeliness of not being able to find portal due to pvp fights lasting long or pve making u not able to open portal, or simple enough not being able to find any nearby is very high chance. For a team of 3 who goes decent gear, its way too hard to escape unless ur team knows how to clear red dungeon

[visual goblet]

Huhhhh est

Wat

[sullen gazelle]

ur escape chance from red if ur team is good is gonna be 90%+. But being able to find 3 blue portals late game for a team is way too difficult

[magic yacht]

I dont disagree

[visual goblet]

I think it’s easy to find a blue or a red portal personally

[magic yacht]

They decreased the portals right at the end of the last playtest I believe

[sullen gazelle]

its easy solo, but for a entire team of 3 to escape is very difficult unless u clear red together

[visual goblet]

I think maybe if the portals are centralized and maybe another incentive, more pvp could happen at the end

Maybe a longer circle with an extra big chest and less marginalized blue portals that just let solo get the ez way out

[sullen gazelle]

I mean I think they are centralized well, its just so many variables that makes it hard to actually survive cuz the timer, and u dont know if theres a team left so u dont wanna escape and leave ur team behind correct?

[visual goblet]

Sometimes they spawn like outside the zone and your full team is just waiting in the final room and u don’t see anyone

[sullen gazelle]

like maybe there should be a notification if ur the only team left? wait ima make that suggesdtion

[visual goblet]

Yes I shall upvote! Nice

So you don’t have to waste time saying ´´is there anyone else?? »

But yea I think game would be more enjoyable for me if the last last last circle was twice as long and the blue and red portals would spawn closer to the middle (more pvp to get to a portal, no ez extracts)

[sullen gazelle]

boom

[sullen gazelle]

@wintry forge u disagree why?

[wintry forge]

I don't want anything that'll make the game easier. This is supposed to be a hardcore game.

[sullen gazelle]

I agree with that, but I don't think this aspect makes the game hardcore, it just makes it more frustrating if you die to nothing and lose progress. Would rather go out with a bang with ur gear to people than the void

[elfin vigil]

Reducing immersion , and reducing the fact that sometimes you can hide as a rogue to wait for a team to think they’re alone and strike them , feels bad overall

You can always pre open a red portal and go in if you don’t fin a blue

[sullen gazelle]

I also said in some way, they could easily just make something like lighting the torches a different color than usual if ur last team in the arena to keep immersion. Also rat gameplay shouldn't be even more incentivized than it already is lol. but all good bro

[elfin vigil]

I don’t even play rogue so I kinda hate it but idk why the « rat » gameplay shouldn’t be ? It’s a way to play smart to beat opponents isn’t it what games are about usually ? When you’re 1v3 this is the way to win

So yes it shouldn’t be incentivized be should still be possible

[wintry forge]

Yeah, this is a loot dungeon crawl where you fight if you need to.

[elfin vigil]

Also it would real ease all the pressure and you would loot and chill which is not what the game is about

You totally are required to be fully attentive until the end that what’s fun

And then after you figure out : ho I was alone lol

[wintry forge]

I think knowing when to take a portal without having cues is part of the skill.

[elfin vigil]

Défini

Tly

[lunar prism]

last 2 teams in get the message "The dark grows darker" and the swarm close happens faster

essentially a "hurry up" mechanic then

[dull glen]

They shouldn't make the closing circle any quicker than it already is, pvp in the last circle is very rarely worth because you run out of time unless you just roll them instantly

[hollow sentinel]

last circle should last until only 1 party is left tbh

[wintry forge]

What do you think about the circle closing constantly instead of in waves, but it moves in slower?

@gray vessel Why don't you like the idea of the circle always closing?

[gray vessel]

I think its completely unnecessary. I don't see anything wrong with how it currently is and I enjoy the different phases: circle moving, circle stopped, circle about to start moving. Seems like a lot of stuff that I enjoy being removed for literally zero benefit.

plus the more time they spend on negligible changes, the less time they will have to work on meaningful changes. Do you really think this suggestion is even worth the effort it will take the devs to change how the circle works. Its not a huge amount of work, but every change to the design of code can be a risk for unintentional bugs, which can lead to more work and more testing phases before releasing the game. Best case scenario it takes a dev 5 mins to read the suggestion and 5 mins to implement it. Worst case scenario, shit goes sideways and/or people complain about the change and all the effort spent has to be completely undone.

[wintry forge]

It's a swarm of insects, so if they're going to stop moving in phases I'd like an explanation for why they stop. Having the swarm stop moving for no apparent reason isn't thematic imo. The devs are planning on the game being finished at the end of the year, so I think they have time for this small change. Anyways, I was just looking for others opinions about it before I post it as a suggestion. I also hope the devs don't care too much about people complaining. It's their game after all.

[gray vessel]

Evil magic. Done.

[frosty creek]

@rapid maple why u did downvoted ?

[rapid maple]

Because it's a bad suggestion

[frosty creek]

its good

[gray vessel]

How do you know that a swarm of scarabs isn't just place holder? If this was the focus of your suggestion then you should 100% make your suggestion ABOUT that focus. Don't just say "What do you think about the circle closing constantly instead of in waves, but it moves in slower?". Otherwise you leave the reader up to their interpretation of what and why the suggestion is being made for. I don't think your reasoning is terrible, but it was never the emphasis of the suggestion so i don't give it social credibility to this argument.

[dull glen]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
people should be able to play whatever they want lol

[gray vessel]

Yeah, that's ridiculous to impose rules against the players free will lmao.

[frosty creek]

well its to protect new ppl

so they dont lvl cleric in party with 2 other cleric and then useless team compo and have to lvl new

[rapid maple]

If it's such a good suggestion, why haven't you upvoted it?

[smoky yoke]

the circle for sure, implements the mechanic about positioning
sometimes, players die because mostly were stucked and couldnt go in the safe area
like in the labyrinth lol

really bad area when it closes there in the maze, but usually it's enough to check the map

[soft relic]

You clearly have no understanding of how this game works. Did you even play in any of the tests?

This is not a MOBA. It is perfectly viable to have 3 rogues, or 3 fighters, or yes, even 3 clerics. You just have to adjust your playstyle for it. In fact, a team of 3 rogues, 3 rangers, 3 fighters, etc. stand a very good chance of beating your "ideal team" that you want to force on everyone else.

Let people play how they want, because it's perfectly viable and you are just being ridiculous trying to restrict players for no reason. It is even good for new players to experience these groups, rather than getting into the mistaken idea that they need a "balanced" group to do well.

[opaque slate]

bro hes a troll

[soft relic]

To be honest I thought he was at first. But I'm beginning to think a lot of these people making suggestions are just that out of touch.

[rapid maple]

Searched his name in the discord and had a good laugh

[lusty wren]

Nah its bait

[winged venture]

yeah just play with any class the comp you create will be good regardless as long as you learn how to play them

[vivid rover]

every good game enforces team comp, like league of legends. its just unfun when you queue up and your team is 3 rogues and no tank or healer

we need to enforce team comp in dnd

[winged venture]

3 rogues is a very strong comp

[vivid rover]

you take 1 fireball, noone can tank it and you cant heal back up

you face 1 ranger and you cant even reach him...

just bad

[winged venture]

backstabs kill them all. thats circle logic!

[vivid rover]

try running 5 AD carry in league lol see what happens

same here

[winged venture]

play the class as intended and you find its a skill based game with some RNG

also id never play league. not my type of game

[vivid rover]

yes and just like in any skill based game team composition matters

saying you can go 3 cleric and just heal 0 damage is the talk of a bad player

[shadow scaffold]

take my upboats good sir

[winged venture]

cleric can be a tank with higher strength and health than the fighter. with all them heals and some brew you become a stong comp

[vivid rover]

yes so what do you do with 3 tank / healer? they will outdps you from range

you become sitting ducks

best combination is ranger + fighter + cleric

[winged venture]

why would you push a ranger that has a shot on you. flank or run

thats what i mean by learn your class and its limitations. some classes are still in need of buffs and nerfs

[vivid rover]

i know my classes and their limitations

its you that needs to learn teamcomps and their limitations. some teamcomps are just so bad its ridiculous to pick them and new players should be protected from falling into that trap

[real trellis]

Please do not engage with the people who post troll suggestions. You're wasting your time and giving them the attention they crave.

It's the same ~5 people every time.

[winged venture]

you right. its to early for this

[real trellis]

They're not interested in improving the game or even having an earnest discussion. They're just here to farm negative reactions

[winged venture]

im just trying to bonk heads with the bard next go around. play some tunes for the crew

[real trellis]

This is not the first time MrBeanz has suggested enforced overwatch-esque role queue type of nonsense.

[vivid rover]

Hm yes everyone who disagrees with you must be a troll

[real trellis]

There's one now.

He always tries this bad-faith argument.

Same modus operandi every time.

[winged venture]

i mean it defeats the whole roll play with friends if i have to play a ranger or wizard

[real trellis]

Yep

[winged venture]

like in real D&D you can play with the character you want not the one the DM made you pick

[real trellis]

Well in my opinion, after a certain point, the more you take away a player's ability to choose the worse the game will be for it

If my friends and I want to run 2 wizards and a rogue we should be allowed to do so

If we want to run 3 clerics we should be allowed to do so

[winged venture]

i agree 100%

[real trellis]

If the game were balanced differently I could see encouraging certain team comps

but there's no REAL need for a tank

or specialized support or 'dps' really

everyone does damage

[winged venture]

exactly. if you can kill you can win. and with a team of killers you got yourself a comp

no matter what the classes

[real trellis]

And the idea of an enforced team comp completely sidesteps the issue of solo play

or duo play

like do you enforce team comps on duos too?

It's just stupid and intentionally not thought out which is why it's a troll suggestion

[winged venture]

bro i love the solo play in this game it gets the blood pumping

honestly a great way of learning the game for me was trial by fire solo runs

[real trellis]

@brazen garden I think that would be super funny to pull off but from a balance perspective I don't think ranger needs even more ways to screw over people lol

[winged venture]

traps, spear, and a bow are enough

[hollow sentinel]

@green dust you are so close to understanding the purpose of the suggestions channel

[mossy ruin]

The game wont lock you in team comp, dont worry, would ruin the game. I am sure the dev knows

[green dust]

@quiet orbit yes, let's make the archers even stronger - otherwise they don't bend so much

[quiet orbit]

Lol or make it harder for people to run away

I’ve submitted a few ways to nerf rangers as well

PvE trap

[brazen garden]

I figured it would be too difficult but yeah thats understandable

[hot badger]

Suggestion from Ghosty#7002
Trap Suggestion

Add a “quick sand” trap that players can run across. The trap should be 6-8ft long. When the player hits the trap in a full speed run they slow down, if they attempt to jump on instinct they go deeper and slower. If they calmly walk across they can traverse it as a minor inconvenience. In order to crawl out you must get to one of the sides. You can only sink to waist depth. If a player attempts to jump over the trap when they land in the sand they will start at 20% sunken into the trap. Perhaps cleanse or haste could assist teammates to get out faster.
Votes
Opinion: -6
Upvotes: 2 20%
Downvotes: 8 80%
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Suggestion ID: 1539228 | Submitted at•Today at 7:52 AM

Why would you sink into a non neutonian fluid faster from landing on it?

[real trellis]

🤔 that's a good point

[steady cloud]

Why yall downvote me ?

[gaunt scroll]

because your idea is like pubg player suggestion and stupid ,I was about say reta word but no stupid is good enough for you

making the game more worse and horse with skin in a dungeon game? or pet helps you collecting stuff? i get it u want those "KEWL LOOKING LIMITED PLAYER WITH MONEYYY " cosmetic but no is a horrible idea

[steady cloud]

<@&988703997378584596> why is he insulting me ? I just wanted feedback…

[gaunt scroll]

im giving you feedback literally

[steady cloud]

U call me r word

How thats feedback ?

[gaunt scroll]

im just giving my honest feedback not hard feelings

[steady cloud]

U dont have to insult ok ?

I can call u r word too

Its not hard

[gaunt scroll]

lol ur think im insulting you ok youre funny not even worth to have feedback with

thanks

[steady cloud]

👎

[gaunt scroll]

go ahead see for yourselves why people downvote you if only people are not shy to speak :>

[steady cloud]

Why u insulted me ?

[lunar prism]

nerds. his suggestions are obvious bait.

[steady cloud]

U can give feedback why insult ?

[gaunt scroll]

im just saying his question was absurd now he's saying im insulting him like i was bullying a kid

[gaunt scroll]

hahah now i think about that you're right

[steady cloud]

Read this ? If its not insult i dont know what is

[gaunt scroll]

nah im not falling for it thanks

i dont have to explain it to you

[steady cloud]

U writed it

Omg

[gaunt scroll]

the answer was clear and loud

back to suggestion not here to argue thanks respect others

[steady cloud]

?

[lunar prism]

let's step away from this.

[steady cloud]

U were the one who insulted

[kindred osprey]

your best bet is to ignore him it will go away

[steady cloud]

Omg

[gaunt scroll]

he's going add more fuel and fire or so yeah bet.

[steady cloud]

Dude u insulted

U started this

[opal sparrow]

@steady cloud ngl you sound like a 9 yo

[steady cloud]

Again more insults

[lunar prism]

if he keeps doing it and people keep getting pissed or he keeps getting mass downvoted eventually he'll be asked to stop by the authorities.

[steady cloud]

U guys are kids ?

[gaunt scroll]

'ight guys dont have to step in for me this is going back to suggestion and discussion chat

u already know what he's like now so thanks

[turbid hill]

when will be game available?

[gaunt scroll]

feb 6th

[turbid hill]

why can't we play this game now like before

[steady cloud]

Maybe if u dont insult it will go back for feedback

[gaunt scroll]

uhh because the developer is focusing updating and stabilty the server etc etc so take some times is ok the game will eventually be better than it was before

[turbid hill]

Alright thanks for the information ^^

one more thing...

will the game be available in Japanese?

[gaunt scroll]

yeah the developer will add them in soon future perhaps feb 6th possible look in q-and-a session

[smoky yoke]

yes from the dev Q&A

Q: Will the game support other languages?
A: Multilingual support is planned
most likely the game localization in japanese will be added

[cosmic thistle]

@scenic storm A haste potion is a good idea but if its added you know 100% that everyone will be spam drinking them and those that cant afford that are at a major disadvantage lol.

[scenic storm]

Either or, just something with a little more giddy up🤣 was watching a barbarian video and thought it would be tyranny to have them run around with movement speed🤣🤣

[gaunt scroll]

true speed potion and wizard give speed buff + shrine of speed

insane

[cosmic thistle]

Rage buffs a barbarians speed already. I think they are fine.

[smoky yoke]

a haste potion in the merchant

then also some potion to generate back spells

there's actually a statue that regenerate hp, and also gives movement speed
there should be one also for the spells

[minor pond]

Barbarians running around with perma haste no thanks

[rose sandal]

Everyone doing well?

[cosmic thistle]

The well did me.

[elder heart]

🤔

[cosmic thistle]

@iron flame I think that one has already been suggested 3-4 times

[boreal sun]

I think there's a ton of duplicate suggestions

people gotta use the search function more often

[rose sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[lean citrus]

-----.suggest---- [This is Igris's suggestion orginally. Add a spell for the wizard that allows him to seal doors, but you CAN destroy the door and get through. You just cant open it whatsoever for a certain time. You can easily just wait it out, get around or break it. It gives you some time to think but isnt abusable because you sacrifice a whole slot, especially if its a high-tier spell]

Can someone suggest this, please? I made it shorter and shorter bc i thought it was too long to suggest until i realised, that it was bc of the timer

[brittle jungle]

Lol I can use barb trait and bypass that

[lean citrus]

Exactly

Totally not OP but still very strong if you got no one to open it

[brittle jungle]

1-2 point spell

[boreal sun]

I had some vague thoughts about an ability to lock doors as a player

and the counter would be lockpicks/smash

[tawny lagoon]

I would rather make it so that HP of the door increases and interaction speed decreases, that way the skill is always useful and does not immediately shutdown any team without wizard or barb

[lean citrus]

I say make both suggestions and let the community vote each individually. I like both Ideas alot and i honestly dont know which one would be better

But your idea sounds like making it a bit more viable alltogether, while not making it so op in individual cases.

[elder heart]

lockpicks are already quite rare

[fair copper]

For some reason my suggestion didn’t pop up

):

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message the color thief!

[vapid minnow]

Some of you guys are just in here downvoting and upvoting just because you like "the person" and not the idea. Stop that.

[sonic pendant]

i downvote bad ideas. it's not my fault that a lot of them come from the same two or three people.

[vapid minnow]

I mean, if you're downvoting them because you think the idea is bad then the shoe doesn't apply to you, but I wont stop you from airing out dirty laundry 😉

[lucid root]

the suggestions are definitely getting better since the new timer

[sonic pendant]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @lucid root are they, though?

[lucid root]

compared to his other ones though

[strange sable]

Well I downvote everytime I see a desolent suggestion just to save some time

[vapid minnow]

Going through them myself now... Certainly seeing a lot of people not understanding where this game draws its influence from.

[sonic pendant]

yea some people want this game to be a different game, and don't understand why no one supports their suggestions.

there's people trying to turn it into a hero game w/ prebuilt teams, and one guy who thinks that everything should be monetized, and all sorts of nonsense

[lucid root]

no sense getting upset about it though

[sonic pendant]

not sure the point of this statement. it's an agree/disagree system. and none of it matters anyway, the dev'll do what they want, they know their vision. but if someone wants to be upset that they're getting downvoted idc

personally i'd rather see the whole channel removed and let the devs make their game

they've done great so far.

[vapid minnow]

I think he was making a general statement. Unless one of us was actually getting mad.

[sonic pendant]

yea i think he was just trying to be the "calm down, let's not fight" guy when nobody was fighting lol

[vapid minnow]

Reading some of these suggestions... I think its PvErs from MMORPGs.

I'm using PvEr as the "polite" term 😉

https://giphy.com/gifs/vegetables-vegetable-cucumber-0ir1L49oHy46pvFQvD

[sonic pendant]

hey, a PVE version of the game is a good idea; just separate the weak from the herd, and let them play clientside only. i'm fine with that. just don't try to bring that mentality into a PVP game.

[vapid minnow]

I've got my shotgun loaded for those little buggers. Ruining every pvp game I play.

[sonic pendant]

"the game is too hard when i don't play with a team like i'm meant to; make it easier for me specifically, and nerf all the classes i can't beat" is like half the suggestions in that channel. it's so silly

[vapid minnow]

I suppose my biggest lack of insight is whether or not this is the dev's game, or the community's.

Bet it'll be more obvious when the skill system is more fleshed out.

[lucid root]

it is %💯 the devs game

[sonic pendant]

that's not what he means

[vapid minnow]

If thats some sort of meta comment, I grew up ages ago.

I need to keep my eyes on the polls more.

And see whats getting put in of "ours" and of "theirs"

more of/less of etc

[sonic pendant]

i only come here lately to downvote awful ideas to support the concept that the game is good as it is, and not to implement a big shift in gameplay that some of these kids want

[vapid minnow]

10 days later, yes, we'd like to introduce our new ceo... mrbeanz

[sonic pendant]

we only need more, not different

[lucid root]

you guys are vastly overestimating how much influence this channel has lol

[vapid minnow]

Borg, can you stop presuming upon my ideas?

You aren't that clever and you aren't that guy.

[sonic pendant]

i'm not estimating anything, i'm concerned that it has ANY influence, and i'm only trying to show support for what i believe is the spirit of the game by downvoting ideas that are outside of the scope.

again, if they'd just delete it i'd be happy, because the idea that some of these suggestions are being considered makes me nervous for the future of this game.

[sonic pendant]

don't get personal; people will @ mods and then be smug about it. fyi.

[lucid root]

have some confidence in the devs, thats all

[vapid minnow]

I'm giving them honest reads and I'm not worried about bad ideas making in. I trust them enough to be competent at making a product they think is going to last. They have more experience than me.

[vapid minnow]

Borg, if you stopped to talk to another person instead of just presuming upon them ~ you'd learn something.

Again though

My point of looking at it is not to see if they're taking bad ideas

its to see if they want "our ideas" or "their ideas"

[sonic pendant]

i feel like your only opinion here has been "don't have an opinion" and i'm wondering what you're getting out of that

seriously

[agile condor]

Relax relax lol - what’s wrong?

[vapid minnow]

and if so, at what ratio?

[lucid root]

no idea lol

[sonic pendant]

toulouse and i were just talking and borg keeps telling us not to care about anything i guess

@agile condor that's all. lol

[lucid root]

yes, no opinions allowed!

[vapid minnow]

Alright, derailed. Adios I guess.

[sonic pendant]

yea gg

[vapid minnow]

back to reading this long list of

great ideas

[agile condor]

I think you’re both going a little over unless I missed something lol - borg suggested posts seemed better and then stated that this channel wasn’t an end all be all - I don’t think this is like a don’t care about anything, but I do think this isn’t worth getting upset over. Any new suggestions now are weeks after anyone has touched the game and they’re just that, suggestions.

[vapid minnow]

yea, you're way out in left field

thanks for playing

adios

[agile condor]

Well come over from right field and chat

[vapid minnow]

unimportant, at this point and before it the conversation had reached its zenith for moot and infinite regress

[agile condor]

Lol

[vapid minnow]

thats not a slant at you

thats just how it is

[agile condor]

Don’t worry no offense here, I think if the devs wanted to apply law and order and make these suggestions carry more weight they could, my only thought it that it’s left like this intentionally. Anyone can say anything and maybe that sparks an idea for the dev team, it may be nothing like the actual posted idea either

[sonic pendant]

ok that was a bit cringe...

[vapid minnow]

Because?

[sonic pendant]

nm i'm out gg

[vapid minnow]

Are you familiar with the nerfs and buffs that were happening to Rapier in pt3 and pt2?

Preface: I dont use rapier at all. I dont care about it one fkin second. I have no attachment to the weapon.

There was a lot of complaining about it and it got some very fast "hot patches" in pt2, start of pt3 it got slapped around a few times as well, and shortly changed again within the same day or so. I totally get what you're saying and again, it was never about any of that. Simply, at what ratio are they listening to us and at what speed are they acting upon these things when they're said.

People like to hide behind bad opinions through the guise of "there's a lot of upvotes on this", well, a lot of idiots believed the world was coming to an end when that comet passed over.

and so, despite whether or not the idea is good, the speed and ratio at which community ideas get implemented versus outside ideas is a concern to me. Not because of the ideas but because of how well thought out they are. If people are making decisions on something within a short time, eh...

[lusty wren]

The superiority complex in this one is nuts 😄

[vapid minnow]

Its not about superiority. I'm interested in the math/numbers.

Anyways, project less.

I look for patterns :\ shrug. Time before last update. Time until next update. Time inbetween updates. Etc etc.

These are important numbers.

[lucid root]

Are you maining cleric in feb proxy?

[lusty wren]

Yes

Probably cleric / Barb just cus I didnt play enough barb last PT wanna test it out a bit more

[vapid minnow]

the 180 reverse on the felling axe 😘

can clip through shields, doors, and walls...

[lucid root]

i'll probably main wizard again, i only got about 30 hours in last test

[vapid minnow]

Have you down xbow wizard yet?

[lucid root]

22.6 hours, not much time at all

[vapid minnow]

Saw recorded damage on a xbow shot for wiz at 205

[lucid root]

yeah i run crossbow when i get it, usually book/staff combo

[lusty wren]

I no lifed the game and got about 65ish hours last PT 😄

[torpid quiver]

i see suggestions are running wild again

[rocky oar]

I had 80 hours

[lucid root]

daaamn

[lusty wren]

LOL

[vapid minnow]

couldnt take time off work?

[rocky oar]

And I didn't even play the last 3 days too

[lusty wren]

Dang that is nuts

[rocky oar]

Which is probably why I fell off the leaderbosrd :c

[lusty wren]

What place were you in before you fell off?

[rocky oar]

Top 50 overall with top 15 wiz

[lusty wren]

Nice

[rocky oar]

It was my first playtest so I was still learning

Next playtest finna be different

[lusty wren]

Whats ur goal?

[rocky oar]

Top 5 wiz

[lusty wren]

Gonna have any alts? Or just the wiz?

[rocky oar]

Just wiz

I'm a huge spellcaster DPS player in all video games I play and DnD

[lusty wren]

Some dedication is wiz all you played last test?

[rocky oar]

In DnD I play warlock a lot

[rocky oar]

Yea

[lucid root]

the only other class i might want to play is bard when it comes out

[lusty wren]

I 100% will be a bard main for a bit. I love bards

[rocky oar]

I take that back. I technically did play all other clases but just for 1 or 2 games at most

[vapid minnow]

Think they'll bring in psionic?

[foggy shadow]

I want monk the most tbh

[torpid quiver]

summoner/invocator/necromancer all would fit

[rocky oar]

I doubt it

[lusty wren]

I made an effort to get very class to 15 just to have a good understanding of them

[foggy shadow]

druid would also be awesome

[lusty wren]

Ya monk and druid will be cool additions also

[foggy shadow]

No minion classes should be allowed, would be literal agony in pvp

[vapid minnow]

I read they wanted to bring in a punching class with short range missiles in the form of a bruiser. I'm hopeful for psionic but really hesitant...

[torpid quiver]

druid and bard are stupid classes

[vapid minnow]

Meanwhile, bard with the Charismaaaaa

[rocky oar]

Huh interesting

[torpid quiver]

for a dungeoncrawler

[lusty wren]

Why?

[foggy shadow]

you're stupid

[rocky oar]

Shut up Tharsis

[vapid minnow]

I would sort of agree for bard, hard disagree for druid.

[lusty wren]

Got any specific reasons why? or are you painting with a broad brush?

[elder heart]

and bard will probably be the only class you cant really play solo

[vapid minnow]

^ xD

[foggy shadow]

make a suggestion and see what happens chump

[rocky oar]

People need to stop coming in with this shit take when the devs have literally said they are going purely of DnD

[torpid quiver]

yeah because a stonegrave is so good for druidic spells and also bard music is the stupidest thing in fantasy ever

[vapid minnow]

@elder heart five days after its release HEY GUYS COME CHECK OUT MY 1V3 AGAINST THESE AFKS, #1 BARD ON THE LEADERBOARD BB

[elder heart]

probably lmao

[soft relic]

I just can't wait to have bards singing and playing instruments while their group is setting up an ambush, giving their location away. 🤣

[lusty wren]

Says who? Cleric can solo why wouldnt bard be able to?

[torpid quiver]

they do nothing of teh sorts of what d&d is

[foggy shadow]

im just looking forward into morphing into a bird or rat and sneaking up on people like that

[torpid quiver]

all tehy do is the fantasy aspect

[elder heart]

well he has armor and stuff bard probably doesn't

[torpid quiver]

and while d&d isnt even the best pnp or even in the top 3

[vapid minnow]

They're kind of like the role a dungeon master would play as. Something to enhance the story and hide aspects of the dungeon master's BS

[lusty wren]

Id say its a bit early to assume anything about bard 😉

[foggy shadow]

bard will be definitelly buffs, and loud af so everyone in the dungeon will hear you lol

[elder heart]

tru

[vapid minnow]

Not really there, just a hiding plot device.

Luck isn't a super power. Yes it is.

[foggy shadow]

bard will be resurrection spell tier loud

[torpid quiver]

why would someoen need to paly an instrument to buff?

[vapid minnow]

bard is getting team killed if he's that loud

[lusty wren]

Ceric has buffs and heals also yet can solo.

[torpid quiver]

litterally stupid

[foggy shadow]

lol imagine the instrument choice is like loudness trade off for better stats

[vapid minnow]

Why is he sticking that vuvuzela in that skeleton's...

[foggy shadow]

you can play a tiny harp with crap stats or a bagpipe with max stats

[foggy shadow]

bard ability im looking forward to

[vapid minnow]

I hope you know I hate you and all bards.

[foggy shadow]

someones a little grumpy today

[vapid minnow]

Naww its prejudice from mordhau

[foggy shadow]

ill play you a tune in the dungeon next play test

[vapid minnow]

The bards just stand on the sidelines and they never fight

and its considered taboo to hit bards

[foggy shadow]

understandable

theyre like friendlies

[vapid minnow]

Something like that. Just don't know if I'm going to get reported by my team for letting you guys live xD

As much as I hate bards, its in my muscle memory to stop myself from hitting them.

Even if I want to kill it I just can't always bring myself to do it xD

[lucid root]

You serious 👀

[rocky oar]

Ignore him man

[torpid quiver]

i sure am

[foggy shadow]

12 yo edge lord

[torpid quiver]

i sure am not

im just insanely sane

[lucid root]

2 legit 2 quit

[foggy shadow]

thats what an edgelord would say

[torpid quiver]

same as a witchdoctor infecting otehrs with pleagues with a toiletbrush

[foggy shadow]

i dont follow

[white cliff]

It’s based off DnD so?

[torpid quiver]

it barely makes sense and theres barely a connection otehr then i wnated to make that connection and i liked the joke

[lucid root]

Most inefficient plague spreading technique

[torpid quiver]

just is buffing with an instrument

[foggy shadow]

thats actually pretty effective though

[white cliff]

It’s a DnD trope.

[foggy shadow]

genghis khan's dad died that way

[white cliff]

It’s a game based off DnD lol.

[torpid quiver]

yeah dnd is stupid not a good argument to bring AGAINST me xD

[lusty wren]

Stop feeding the trolls guys

they wither without the attention

[rocky oar]

Bards are buff, debuffs, heals, and damage spells (viscious mockery)

[torpid quiver]

putting em off as a troll without considering and seeing that im onto soemthing whata pitiful thing to do

[rocky oar]

Then buy off the company and make the game u want

[torpid quiver]

why is buff debuff and heal a thing someoen with a lute should be doing?

[foggy shadow]

you need to slow down when your typing there junior

[lucid root]

My mute list is ever growing

[lusty wren]

Did I make the cut again? 😄

[vapid minnow]

mute essay*

[white cliff]

It’s a game with magic, why should skeletons be allowed to walk around…

[torpid quiver]

i wont, get ove rit and focus on the money, disrespectful nobody.

[vapid minnow]

more like a compendium

[foggy shadow]

what does that even mean lol

book of grudges @lucid root

[rocky oar]

I was wondering the same

[torpid quiver]

what does what mean?

not udnerstanding words?

[vapid minnow]

"focus on the money"

[foggy shadow]

focus on the money?

[torpid quiver]

understanding

[vapid minnow]

What does that have to do with anything, contextually?

[white cliff]

It’s a game with magic, suspend your disbelief or go watch a documentary.

[torpid quiver]

its a common phrase

it refers to where teh worth is

[lucid root]

You mean follow the money?

[white cliff]

Are you having a stroke?

[vapid minnow]

Thats why they turned down our money.

[torpid quiver]

arguing over typos when teh money lays on the betterment of a game is redicolously pitiful

[white cliff]

Do you smell burning toast?

[vapid minnow]

I gotta go use the restroom

You guys have fun with

this

miss u already

[torpid quiver]

i feel liek theres a major mental rift and linguistic one aswell as in im talking my points quite precisely while no one seems to eb capable to put 2 and 2 toegether

[lucid root]

Go seek guidance from mrbeanz, he will bestow wisdom 🙏

[foggy shadow]

we are too stupid for you, please find a more intelligent crowd more capable of comprehending your magnificence

[torpid quiver]

thats what you said

[foggy shadow]

it is

thank you

[torpid quiver]

i was asking where the problem is

[lusty wren]

Mr bean trolls are better than this guys 😄 Which is a low and sad bar

[foggy shadow]

bring back mr bean and desolent

[torpid quiver]

i just care dont know how you gaslight this into me trolling

[vapid minnow]

please dont disrespect beanz like that, he's wise beyond your knowing

[torpid quiver]

thats some creativity

if you liek teh fantasy of a bard thats on you its still stupid

[foggy shadow]

your spelling friend, how will we be able to understand the deep meaning of your words if you are unable to properly form them?

[torpid quiver]

i too liek stupid stuff but i wont suggets that or defend it on a game where more then just me are playing

[lucid root]

Just curious what the age demographic is here

[rocky oar]

24

[torpid quiver]

some woke 17 years olds

[lusty wren]

I think the average was brought down heavily this week

[lucid root]

Im 28 👴

[lusty wren]

I am older 😄

[torpid quiver]

im 28

[rocky oar]

Pretty sure it's most 20-30

That's like a lot of DnD players right there

[vapid minnow]

17-25 at best

[rocky oar]

It's rare I see young dnd players

[vapid minnow]

with 25-35 outside of it

and maybe 44-52

those other 7 years

everyone is dead

[torpid quiver]

im pretty sure the majority of dad enjoyer is pretty young

[vapid minnow]

Waiting for the math majors

waiting

tsk

almost gottem too

[lucid root]

Seems varied, did they ask for age in the predownload survey?

[torpid quiver]

the ones arguing are either some fools trying to get tehyr strange fantasys into teh game or serious suggestions of mature audiences who actually use tehyr brain to think and criticise

[lusty wren]

What? there was a pre-download survey?

[torpid quiver]

context young lad you cna missunderstand everything you want

[vapid minnow]

api data rip

[vapid minnow]

You sign content by playing.

[lucid root]

Wasn't there some short thing you filled out before downloading or I'm having a stroke

[torpid quiver]

the woke 17 years old i found em

[lusty wren]

Not for me

[vapid minnow]

Not for me either. You signed up on a website then.

[torpid quiver]

its so isnane how everything i say is simply teh truth and no one listens

[vapid minnow]

Ah. That's why they don't need money.

[lucid root]

[rocky oar]

Last I checked, opinions aren't truth and/or facts

[torpid quiver]

i dont deal in opinions

[lusty wren]

You took the bait 😄

[rocky oar]

U r absolutely right

He's officially blocked

[torpid quiver]

everything is a mindgame onlien where someone tries to bait while i try tpo be blunt and direct to further the arguments and progress conversations beyond that worthles stumbling around

[rancid pebble]

thats a suggestion to discuss

[torpid quiver]

to put it for teh younger audience who missunderstand: i challenge and i dont flee while you avoid teh topic i win by default

28

[lucid root]

I refuse to believe you're the same age as me

[lusty wren]

What wizard build did you use?

[torpid quiver]

yeah i seem pretty mature i know

[rocky oar]

Damn proxy

Why not the 80 hour wiz guy :c

[lucid root]

Lol

[lusty wren]

What build did you use? 😄

[lucid root]

I might play with resident troll too he's a barb main

[lusty wren]

Great combo 😄

[rocky oar]

Thank you 🙂 spells was fireball magic Missile ignite haste and invisibility

Perks were fire mastery arcane mastery the perk that makes you cast faster and I can't remember what the last one was

[lusty wren]

Did you use med?

[rancid pebble]

Why ignite instead of zap?

[lucid root]

Mine was the same skillwise, I ran the 2 damage reduction perks, ice armor and the other one

[lusty wren]

I really liked chain

I ran chain and no med

for the 15 levels I played it

[rocky oar]

Ignite for off-hand Dagger and/or for magic Missile because ignite works on top of your own spells as well

[lusty wren]

They patched the double proc

Ignite was double proccing and it got fixed mid test

[rancid pebble]

ignite was super good early, did u ever see the better-rogue builds people tried with daggers and ignite, haste, invis

[torpid quiver]

opened my waffle pack and am dissapointed such a dry disappointment

[rocky oar]

Explain more

I'm a bit confused

[lean citrus]

I was trying to see what you guys wrote but i couldnt keep up

[rancid pebble]

it did extra damage when it shouldnt have, for spells like fireball and I think magic missile

[rocky oar]

Oh that's all

Okay my point still stand then

Ignite works on ur spells

[lusty wren]

At the start of the PT everytime you hit with IGNITE it would actually do its dmg TWICE so it was super strong. But they fixed it mid test (still is a very viable skill tho)

[lusty wren]

Think this was apart of the change also

Pretty sure they removed that

But dont quote me

It was late in the PT

[torpid quiver]

ignite should scale with weapon speed

[rocky oar]

So instead of magic Missile doing 30 dmg per for example it will do 35 per Missile plus the fire dmg dot

[rancid pebble]

I am also pretty sure they fixed that

[rocky oar]

It was still working as far I onow

[torpid quiver]

its too strong on daggers and too weak on crystal swords

[lusty wren]

I just read that it was changed. It happened after I stopped playing wiz so cant confirm

[rancid pebble]

It automatically 'scales with speed' just like rogue weapons, more attacks means you get more procs of it

[torpid quiver]

yes thats the wrong scaling

[lucid root]

I never used ignite past a certain point, your missiles do so much damage already

[lusty wren]

Did you ever try chain lightning over fireball?

[rocky oar]

Never

[rancid pebble]

true, missile scale go brrr 65 damage missiles

[rocky oar]

I replace ignite with chain

[lusty wren]

I thought chain was SOOOO good. I couldnt drop it after using it the first time

AH

[rocky oar]

Ignite is the only interchangeable spell in my opinion

[rancid pebble]

true

[torpid quiver]

chainlighting is a perfect spell balance whise

[rancid pebble]

some people used zap there but I never played wiz after the ignite change

[tepid lichen]

zap

[rocky oar]

The only use I see zap is being to use it without blowing up ur friendly barb lol

[rancid pebble]

I think solo wiz use it mainly since you can meditate so many charges of it

[torpid quiver]

while tehy move around liek crazy you eitehr miss zap or hit your barb anyways

[rancid pebble]

plus it scales amazingly with gear

[lucid root]

It's good for skulls and dragonflies

[rancid pebble]

true and real

[lusty wren]

I dropped med on like my 4th game tbh

[lucid root]

pvp must've been fun

[lusty wren]

wehat was it called?

[lucid root]

He uses intense focus and double casts

[lusty wren]

ya

😄

[lucid root]

Chain lightning?

[lusty wren]

Ya

Double cast chain and insta dead teams

[lean citrus]

Hi, i need 3 of you to help out, only if you want to ofc

[rocky oar]

I don't think they will

[lusty wren]

then just drop a fire on their dead bodies 😄

[rocky oar]

They said balancing was not a focus for them

[rancid pebble]

True they did say that

[lusty wren]

I think if you make invis/haste not stack wizard is in a fine place

Yes, but haste/invis not stacking IMO fixes this

The reason a wiz can be a better rogue is cus they can move at mach 10 with the speed boost from invis and the haste

[rocky oar]

The issue with that is that there will be no consistency on how works because how is it fair that haste and invis don't stack but cleric bless and protection can stack

[lean citrus]

I have a suggestion idea but i cant suggest bc of timer and i have 3 different version of the same idea and i thought its perhaps best if we post 3 ideas in rapid succession, so that the people will see them all one by one next to each other. That way we know that they have not missed one of the other ideas.

Sorry for interrupting your guys discussion

[rancid pebble]

true, i hate things that arent consistent, they will figure it out eventually I believe

[rocky oar]

My only solution to that and do concentration spells like in DnD where the user of the spell can only cast and hold 1 buff/debuff at a time

[wintry forge]

Why don't you like the idea of the zombie gas spreading out in the room? It'd be more logical than the gas staying in a concentrated cloud that moves around.

[lusty wren]

Vastly different things. Bless is a attribute boost, prot is protection.

Invis has a speed component, and so does haste. Which makes moving at mach 10 to reposition just infinitely easier

Or to reposition to burst down someone with ignite/dagger.

While being invis

Its just crazy strong

This is possible also

[rocky oar]

It's a spell buff non the less is the issue. The only fix is to do concentration spells like in DnD

[lean citrus]

You could also make it so that one of the spells or both are concentrated. So basically you need to hold the spell for it to be continuosly active and they cant both be used. Or make it so there cant be multiple people with haste or something.

[lucid root]

You think intense focus is going to get nerfed?

[lean citrus]

Totally agree

[lusty wren]

Ya a form of this could work aso

[lucid root]

Hmm...it's so good though, it makes pvp super cheese

[lusty wren]

Pick rate is interesting metric though. Alot of people were playing the game for the first time and learning thruought the PT. Meta will shift even if the game has no balance changes just due to people learning the game

BTW

See what I said about not taking the bait?

They just disappear 😄

[rocky oar]

Me?

[lusty wren]

No was talking about the two trolls that got ignored and stopped typing

[rocky oar]

Oh

[wintry forge]

I've suggested this before and it got down voted. What do you think about zombie gas spreading out in the room, instead of it staying as a concentrated cloud that moves around. It'd be more logical.

[rocky oar]

Lol

[lucid root]

Ahh the logic thing again

[rancid pebble]

if it was guarenteed damage, even only two ticks

[rocky oar]

Gas cloud is aids as is especially in high roller hell

[wintry forge]

So, why don't you like the idea? It could harm you less the longer it's around.

[lucid root]

Annoying when you're looting and the gas changes directions

[rancid pebble]

loot goblins suffering : (

[rocky oar]

Gas mid combat is annoying too whether it's pvp or pve

[rancid pebble]

I believe you all, just never encountered it as a real tangible issue

ranger things ig, just killing anything without it harming you, god I love being op

[rocky oar]

A lot of people end up pulling more mobs by accident avoiding gas

[wintry forge]

I just like to see how to make things more logical.

[rancid pebble]

but then melee players would rage

[rocky oar]

Running through Gas is fine unless its in high roller hell where the gas will legit destroy u

[lusty wren]

Sometimes logic and fun just dont mesh 😄

Using magic is not logical

But its fun

[lean citrus]

I think its just so funny how gas feels like they farted in your face lol They also look so cartoonish because they glow in the dark. Its lighting feels a lil bit off.

[rocky oar]

I'm not playing this game for it to be like real life

[lucid root]

I wonder if druid will get any poison attacks, will make him a great damage scaler with strength and magic damage

[rancid pebble]

Could be place holder attacks who knows

[rocky oar]

Entangle def will be a spell

[rancid pebble]

we are at the least 10 months out from game release, realistically probably longer cuz things get delayed

[lusty wren]

If so I hope its a snare not a root

Hard CC is a bad thing in DaD IMO

[rancid pebble]

true, & ranger trapo

[lusty wren]

EA is planned for Q2.... soooo maybe not 😄

[mossy ruin]

Pretty consistent if the game has buffs that increase the same thing not stack when its from similar sources. Barrier shouldnt stack with blue potion either, maybe it already doesn't, i didnt play with many clerics.

[rancid pebble]

Some games have years long EA so who knows

[lusty wren]

Ya, I think ranger trap already is pushing the limit of what CC should be in DaD

[rocky oar]

I was thinking just for 1 second lol

[lusty wren]

Ya many consider that a "release" though. But ya Q4 is planned for launch but id assume that gets pushed back

[mossy ruin]

If the game time to kill gets longer, theres room for CC being relevant and good, but I agree atm hard CC is very misplaced here atm. Killing is our CC

[wintry forge]

Yeah, I think Q4 is a placeholder, but hopefully the devs won't rush and release it before they think it's good to last the next 5+ years.

[lusty wren]

Ya, and personally i like the TTK right now

[lucid root]

Body blocking with spider mummies is the best root

[mossy ruin]

I think it could be slightly longer, or just nerf scaling from gear so theres not so much CRACKED shit, but yeah TTK when ur noobie is nice

[rancid pebble]

ttk is fine, people may complaing about the gear scaling jump between whites to purps but even whites can kill decently

[rancid pebble]

yea

[lusty wren]

Ya, because weapons and scaling are so far from being optimized, I judge it based on base gear and TTK there is perfect IMO

[rancid pebble]

I think it takes like 6 headshots from most classes besides barb

[rocky oar]

Gear is so scuffed in my opinion

[mossy ruin]

Yeah agreed, damage is way more useful than defense for both clearing PvE and it scales better, so that needs tuned a bit.

[rancid pebble]

for base bow it is 6-8 headshots, fighter is 5-7 i think

[rocky oar]

Just a few green pieces with the right stats and all of a sudden ur literally one tapping people with fireball

[mossy ruin]

I think a lot of the flat damage should be removed unless we get flat damage reduction on gear, but thats two just issues instead of one.

[rocky oar]

That's with green pieces either ttk or gear needs to be fixed

[rancid pebble]

Im still stuck on whether i like the convoluted loot roll system with true damage versus damage vrs physical power, or if it should be toned down

cuz as is some loot can do so much damage compared to anything else

[lusty wren]

I think D just needs to scale better with gear

and its fine

[mossy ruin]

Gear/scaling needs fixed mostly. TTK is probably ideal. BUT we do need more options to disengage than we have presently. Hard to not commit to a fight sometimes.

[rocky oar]

Its scuffed man. I had a buddy with pretty decent gear and he legit accidently one tapped me from a body shot from full health to 0

[mossy ruin]

Barb to wizard or what

[rocky oar]

From a ranger btw with a single arrow

To body

[mossy ruin]

Oh, LOL yeah, what were you

[lusty wren]

Wiz do be squishy

[rocky oar]

Wizard. I was in full purples at the time

[rancid pebble]

I had a nasty purp longbow on wipe day and it just rolls rogues and wizards

[mossy ruin]

That'll do it :(

[lusty wren]

Tell ur friend to flick at the roof better when you enter his line of sight 😄

[wintry forge]

I suggested to nerf AI health, but that got down voted. I also think that maybe there should be less stat differences between the different qualities of gear.

[rocky oar]

Well lucky enough this was my tryhsrd group so we have cleric with resurrection which is so nice

[rancid pebble]

Idk about the rest of the community but after growing pains, I find this game lowkey on the easier side

[lusty wren]

If defense scaled better the scaling on the other gear wouldnt be as big of an issue at all

[rancid pebble]

I wish the AI and mobs dont get touched, or get buffed

[mossy ruin]

Tbh AI health nerf wouldn't be bad if we got all gear scaling nerfed then some abilities nerfed

[rocky oar]

It's supposed to get harder

[mossy ruin]

but AI is so nonexistent tbh

[rancid pebble]

true, cant wait for magical damage resistance buffs they planned

[lusty wren]

AI all the way through hell can be killed with pretty shit gear

[mossy ruin]

but the are just meaty enemies, they should be easier to kill and more deadly themselves

[rocky oar]

B2 is becoming be B1 and B3 is becoming B2

[rancid pebble]

exactly

the should make better AI

which is a hard ask

[lusty wren]

I disagree, I like that they can take some shots. Allows more ambushes and fun interactions IMO

[rancid pebble]

thats why people go to PvP so much, you are fighting against thinking people

[lusty wren]

Yes but they said B1 will be the same difficulty as current B2

[rancid pebble]

I did hear that, really excited

what do you think B3 boss will be?

[vapid minnow]

Remember the assets and their allocation.

[rocky oar]

Yes proxy that's what I kinda said

[vapid minnow]

This game is rather rudimentary

[rocky oar]

The current B2 is gonna be B1

[lusty wren]

Ah i read it as "placement" not difficulty 😄

Ya forest will have B2 difficulty which I like, and then hopefully B2 is harder as well as B3 then what we have now

[rancid pebble]

Idk about yall but I died to my first enemy, part of the 90%

[rocky oar]

B3 bosses are staying as is as well and the new B3 will have a dragon boss I think

[rancid pebble]

but after a few hours I doubt people die to mobs in this game

[rocky oar]

Lmaooo

[lusty wren]

Negative, B3 bosses are actually B2 bosses

[rocky oar]

Have u not played normals

[lusty wren]

They said it in the QA

[rancid pebble]

yoo really? Some lord of the rings shit please

a giant loot room with a dragon

[rocky oar]

People die to mobs all the time

[lusty wren]

Yes in normals top right show syou the deaths

[rancid pebble]

I played mainly high roller with a duo, your not really supposed to die to them

[lusty wren]

mummie spiders slay EVERYONE it seems

[rocky oar]

Proxy I just said that, I just said it weirdly is all lol

[lusty wren]

Ah, ok I just keep misreading then I guess LOL!

We on same page

[rocky oar]

SNS go play norms and look at the death feed

People die to mobs all the time

[rancid pebble]

but there is no loot in norms : (

[rocky oar]

It's funny asf

[rancid pebble]

once you have gear, going to norms is morally defunct lowkey

I would imagine

[rocky oar]

Imagine high roller, people probably getting clapped nonstop

[rancid pebble]

my friend died after getting hit by a trap 3 times so...

nightmare mobs are a little spooky

[lusty wren]

When things get hectic this happens alot

[rocky oar]

I do norms to mess with hell bosses

[rancid pebble]

only because I can never tell they are nightmares until they dont die with my normal ttk

[rancid pebble]

fair, we all gotta farm the lich sometimes

[rocky oar]

Who all playing wiz next alpha?

[rancid pebble]

MEE!

[lusty wren]

Wait

Floor traps?

[rocky oar]

Dm me

[lusty wren]

Or wall traps?

OOF

Ya

I know it well

[rocky oar]

I'm trying to do triple wizard for lich boss farming

[lusty wren]

That trap got me a bit when I was new, but never killed me

[rancid pebble]

u gunna give me the secret wiz tech

[rancid pebble]

yooo

Im waiting to pick my class until the day before in case they chang ethings

[rocky oar]

I saw a video of someone doing that and killed the boss in 10 seconds

[rancid pebble]

but i want to try a fighter and get better at wiz for sure

[rancid pebble]

??????

[rocky oar]

It's wild

[rancid pebble]

fireballs or what

lightning?

[rocky oar]

Magic Missile does the most damage in the game

[rancid pebble]

Makes sense, Ig you can kill before lich casts

[rocky oar]

35 per Missile and it's 10 Missile

That's without any additional perks and such

[lusty wren]

Lich isnt that bad. That damn ghost tho!

[rancid pebble]

does anyone know how much health the bosses have?

[rocky oar]

Nope

But a lot

[rancid pebble]

Im assuming around 1750~

[rocky oar]

Lol

Fighter should be replaced in my opinion

I don't find fighter to be meta

[rancid pebble]

he isnt, double ranger would be for lich farming

but people go fighter often enough for some reason, must be health and or sprint

[lusty wren]

Fighter is fun

[rancid pebble]

although if you are right, then trip mage would be the way to go

[rocky oar]

I wanna do double wiz with cleric for high roller next alpha

[rancid pebble]

I was just thinking that

[lusty wren]

It just goes back to defensive items need to scale better than fighter is in alot better of a spot

[rancid pebble]

fighters getting two shot through dark plate...

weapons just out scale armor

[lusty wren]

Yes I expect that to change when they do balance passes

[rancid pebble]

anyways the true moment of theory crafting is how can I seduce people with bard when he comes out??

[lusty wren]

High end weapons vs High end armor should have same TTK as base vs base

Are you joking?

Keeping any items through death goes against what this game is

[rocky oar]

SNS we ahould def try triple wizard on normal for lich farming and see how it goes and if we get mad gear try it on high roller lol

[lusty wren]

This is bad bait

😄

[rancid pebble]

and have to hit 50 skill checks to leave

Its not tarkov, this game is cool and fun

[lusty wren]

Get better bait and Ill play along

here is suspense

let him show you how its done

[wintry forge]

What do you think of this suggestion?, "Nerf AI health, but buff AI attack. Nerf all gear scaling, and nerf some abilities. This will make AI more threatening, but also faster to kill. This will also make gear quality and abilities more balanced."

[lusty wren]

Try that next time

[lucid root]

You a rogue main?

[lusty wren]

I love how this is such a meme like rogue is all that good 😄

[rancid pebble]

pretty good idea

[white cliff]

Super vague.

[wintry forge]

I don't want to be too specific. The devs can handle balancing better than I can since I'm not a dev. I also don't want to be too specific and get down votes because of my specificity.

[lusty wren]

Seems pretty specific. specific enough for me to downvote 😄

TTK on pve is in a good spot. Creates alot of fun and chaotic situations

[white cliff]

If the problem is players dying to mobs, why is the solution to make them stronger? I think if that change was made you’d see an uptick in first time player deaths.

[rocky oar]

That's because people are really bad at the game

[white cliff]

A big factor is improper spacing and hit greeding, so if mobs did more damage you’d see people get deleted.