suggestion-discussion

[white cliff]

Grab Koko while you’re at it.

[placid canopy]

Bruh you were trolling with him all day lol

[white cliff]

Grab as in timeout.

[next snow]

Thank you for your service.

[opaque slate]

demomantf2

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

This doesn’t make any sense

[lucid root]

Feel like dark souls is already like that unintentionally lol

[sonic pendant]

i don't have a dog in this fight, but it's true that there aren't any POC or trans chars, and pointing that out doesn't seem to be a violation of anything to me. this doesn't affect me, i'm not in either group, but downvoting the suggestion that either group be included does seem pretty small-minded, as does banning someone for expressing that opinion. personally, i don't think they should have started calling out individuals, because people are entitled to their beliefs, but i think you should reconsider whether this person actually committed any offense. You've allowed people like @wintry forge and others to enrage the whole channel for days with no recourse, but this kid gets banned immediately? doesn't seem right.

[lucid root]

I don't think he was banned just timed out for trolling

[lusty wren]

Calling people transphobes and bigots for downvoting a suggestion is ridiculous

[wintry forge]

<@&988703997378584596>

[white cliff]

They’re not being serious though. They where previously trolling and baiting people into having arguments about gender ideology.

[lusty wren]

He also called the warden a transphobe for asking him to drop the topic

Id say timeout was justified

[placid canopy]

he's been super trolling the whole day in a toxic way on top of just this

[lucid root]

The difference is suspense isn't trolling

[white cliff]

Also there’s a difference between suspense typing suggestions and this guy calling everyone bigots.

[rose sandal]

Ima go ahead and give you a day break. Just because you need to take a little longer break for directly defying a wardens statement and continuing a discussion that was told to be dropped.

[strange sable]

A day tf?

[lucid root]

Blood in the streets yall

[white cliff]

Dang a day without typing on discord?

Horrible.

[next snow]

Literally 1984.

[white cliff]

Anyways.

[lucid root]

Last time I got timed out I was like "damn...now I actually have to do something productive"

[white cliff]

Typical, 1 blocked message.

[lucid root]

I'm starting to think you don't like rogues

[lusty wren]

Borg having me muted triggers me 😄

I CANT REACT NOW!

[glacial bridge]

why did he mute you? i just tuned in

[lusty wren]

No clue

[lucid root]

I still read your messages 😂

[lusty wren]

I NOTICED!

But I cant react now

lol

[lucid root]

Jeeeez fine hold on

[lusty wren]

OH MUCH BETTER!

[glacial bridge]

i just muted both of you. get rekt

[lusty wren]

Lies

[lucid root]

I think I went on a mute frenzy when I joined. Some people were just on crack typing 150wpm responding to every message

[glacial bridge]

this should be a turn based card collection video game

[lusty wren]

Ya, that would make sense I have a habit of doing this

[lucid root]

Playable ccg in the tavern 😭

Making the cards untradeable or let people trade?

[glacial bridge]

full pay 2 win

[lucid root]

The wizard spell cards will obviously be the strongest

Board clear board clear

[next snow]

Can you please upvote my suggestions? It makes me feel good about myself.

[glacial bridge]

im in a bad mood. just here to downvote and crush peoples dreams

[loud matrix]

Honestly, card games in the tavern isn't even a bad idea. Could even just go with the classics there and just have a standard set of cards with a few different ways to play, like blackjack.
Nothing essential to the game, really. But sounds like a fun thing to do on the side.

[lucid root]

Is it about helicopters? Then no

I only upvote helicopters 😏

[next snow]

Your mom is a helicopter.

[lucid root]

based

[lusty wren]

I wish my mum was a helicopter. Going places in style!

[fair copper]

🤨

[quiet orbit]

**Make sure you vote on this one. **

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[mossy ruin]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
I think as we get more weapons overall and things get adjusted, this would be cool later on as a character unlock as additional progression or part of specializing a character if the skill trees have weapon specific advancements

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
this one made me laugh i don't know why

[mossy ruin]

probably because it seems kinda sus LOL

[strange sable]

🤣

[lucid root]

the time it takes to scroll up and find serious suggestions is getting longer every day

[glacial bridge]

i would be very okay with them just closing the suggestion channel until after next playtest

[mossy ruin]

Tbh, im surprised it was kept open during game downtime for so long.

Some people really be out here just staring at this chat, I be looking a lot for entertainment at this point and I get an idea or two at times

[glacial bridge]

i just browse in the mornings while im working remote before friends wake up to do games. then i might jump on before bed and be toxic

[lusty wren]

I think if just a couple of wardens were dedicated to it it would be pretty easy to keep up on. But they seem to not like deleting them

[lucid root]

Their motivation quickly turned into depression and hopelessness

"This...this is our player base!?"

We're all sith lords basically

[mossy ruin]

Depends on how much free reign that have in deciding what suggestions are relevant. I mean, yes some of the suggestions are braindead obviously trolling, but maybe there is a reason. Also you gotta understand that deleting them might just cause some of the members to rebuke with more trolling responses. Probably better to ignore them. Deleting them as they come will take the same time as combing through at a later date, etc etc, so im sure its all the same to whoever is actually organizing whats 'relevant'

[lusty wren]

Deletion tied to timeouts for multiple offenses 😄

Most devs set guidelines that must be followed for suggestions anything that does not meet those guidelines gets deleted.

[glacial bridge]

if a suggestion has 5 upvotes and 15 downvotes its still worth keeping for discussion so people can see why they arent in a majority.

if something is only upvoted by 2 people with 40 downvotes. its clearly either trolling or someone who wants to depart from the games core

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
-injects self with adrenaline- round 2 lets go

[lusty wren]

3 dollars per revive lol

[wintry forge]

They should just add a "joke-suggestion" channel for people that want to tell jokes.

[lusty wren]

This channel is called #the-tavern

[glacial bridge]

they should just shovel out bans

more interact objects like Portcullis is good. a mounted Ballista sounds like a huge pain

[placid canopy]

Not sure if desolent is whale or troll

[lusty wren]

ya ballista = downvote

[placid canopy]

But that guy spams p2w suggestions and they all go 5-50

[lusty wren]

The WhaleTroll is also a option

[lucid root]

Whale lives matter

Give them more p2w features, please 😦

[wintry forge]

The devs have confirmed that they read all suggestions, so if the mods don't think a suggestion is trolling, it's worth keeping for the devs to read.

[lusty wren]

"ALL" suggestions doubt

Typically devs have someone cutting them down for them

Community managers normally do this

then they feed the devs the "good" suggestions

by whatever metric they use

[glacial bridge]

you put zero effort into most of your suggestions and spend exactly 0 seconds thinking about the negative effects that could stem from a change. Devs would be insane to read everything. theyre absolutely gonna have someone cut down on nonsense + repeat after repeat

[mossy ruin]

Kinda rude, but yes, they definitely cut out the ones that dont line up with design goals and 'trolly' ones.

[wintry forge]

<@&988703997378584596>

[lucid root]

Bye slate

[lusty wren]

Nah, I think he is just telling it how it is....

[placid canopy]

I don't think he's wrong lol

[lucid root]

Suspense has unlimited power though, he's unbeatable

[glacial bridge]

i suppose. but he clearly doesnt care. just throws fist fulls of miscellaneous and sees what sticks. I dont hate him but I can point out it is clearly low-effort

[granite plinth]

?

[lusty wren]

I agree

[lucid root]

Friendly banter thats all

[strange sable]

Suspense just being weird

[mossy ruin]

I mean, suspense did say himself something similar about his own posts actually

[granite plinth]

Reminder to keep the discussions healthy and moving in a positive direction. Love you guys.

[glacial bridge]

I'm sorry if i was too harsh suspense. Just telling it how i see it

[wintry forge]

Slate said about me, "you put zero effort into most of your suggestions and spend exactly 0 seconds thinking about the negative effects that could stem from a change".

[mossy ruin]

can I get some heart emotes too, just for being me? 😊

[placid canopy]

It is very off-putting to continuously see outlandish suggestions from the same person

[granite plinth]

I read it, thank you.

[lucid root]

hands you my very real beating heart

[agile condor]

Suspense, again I'll suggest - post your suggestions in here man and talk about them with others a little first. Your suggestions do come across that way.

[urban pollen]

Guys we are done with this conversation.

I'm going to start timing people out.

Move on to another topic.

[lusty wren]

What do you think about haste/invis not stacking? 😄

[brittle patrol]

@steady cloud Why do you keep suggesting pay to win features? do you genuinely think p2w ideas are good?

[strange sable]

Do you Think a solo queue would benefit the game?

[steady cloud]

How its pay to win ?

[tame kindle]

I mean yeah or make the same idea but instead one cancels the other depending on which is cast first

[steady cloud]

U win from escaped the dungeon not revives…

[mossy ruin]

Honestly, whaling imo will have no real impact on anyone but the person spending money. If people actually spent money in the way he suggested, I would be for it as a F2Per just to have the game have more revenue. Its not really competitive as it is a grief type of game.

[brittle patrol]

Yes for ex. "or real money (5$) to get a legendary weapon then it change place in the dungeon"

[glacial bridge]

If solo queue happens then I will play it.

I just hate that the primary reason people give is getting pvp rushed when that would make the problem severely worse

[agile condor]

Pretty sure I've said it before, Desolent is actually Bobby K.

[mossy ruin]

Oh i thought it was the die keep loot part

[agile condor]

He wants that $$$$

[lusty wren]

If solo queue is added id like the option to still join normal raids as a solo

[steady cloud]

Its to make people group up for pvp cuz people only focus pve in this game and hiding

[heavy spade]

just play barb and 1v3 😎

[steady cloud]

And the winner get legendary weapon for reward

[mossy ruin]

@glacial bridge yeah I think the queues should stay mixed or if they do have solo, it should be limited per week or something so it doesnt hard split community. Also as the game gets balanced and loot becomes more scarce, people will be more careful about rushing a 'solo' cause there could be more.

[glacial bridge]

oh for sure, i would solo queue for pvp hunting and normal queue for regular games

[agile condor]

Loot Boxes, Subscriptions, Pay to Win, Cosmetics, etc etc lol

[brittle patrol]

hmm I like something along that idea just maybe a timmed event or something not for real $

[wintry forge]

Yes, because for people that don't find it easy to solo against 3-man teams, they might want a break from the game otherwise, and some people might prefer to just 1v1.

[brittle patrol]

do you think solos would just devolve into everyone being a rogue/wiz?

[steady cloud]

Its to support the devs and me whats the problem ?

[mossy ruin]

The game doesn't have 'pressure' to stop other players from just rushing. Since its not a shooter, the idea of 3rd personing and a gank going bad is much less relevant than something like Tarkov until the maps become more advanced and multilayered or something, etc etc

[strange sable]

I think instead of a solo queue the game should have 1v1 arenas

[glacial bridge]

who knows how class balance will be. the thing in solos is you know EVERY spawnpoint would have a player attached AND that they would be alone so it would be hunting season 100%

[agile condor]

"""Is a Solo Queue going to be implemented in the future?

• We will need to test it first. We may make these tests public in future playtests to help us collect data. We will make our decision after these tests. Please note that the original game was balanced and designed around mostly party play so any solo-queue mode may be heavily imbalanced."""

[brittle patrol]

the devs have said multiple times they dont need money. And bassed on their mission statment they would probably never add pay to win things. they would just do a kickstarter

[strange sable]

@steady cloud but why does everything have to be based on irl money? It turns the game into richest person wins

[placid canopy]

Did you just ask how paying for 100% more damage and 100% more hp was pay to win?

[urban pollen]

Or, they could make solo queue less then 16 players so you would not know which spawn has a player or not

[mossy ruin]

🧠 🤯

[lusty wren]

That and money problems are quickly relieved when 500k-1m people purchase your EA at 30 bucks a pop (Playtest had 1m+)

[urban pollen]

maybe 10 players solo queue map with fewer blue portals?

that could be interesting

[mossy ruin]

But rushing a spawn would still give a miss or guaranteed 1v1

[urban pollen]

there would be a lot more loot for whoever can get out

[brittle patrol]

Yeah that too, when they put any pricetag on they game they'll be swiming like scrouge mc duck.

[mossy ruin]

I personally like the hecticness of unknown party sizes

[lusty wren]

But should we make solo be the optimal way to get loot? Seems against the vision

[agile condor]

Think so? I think the opposite hah

[glacial bridge]

fair point, like i said i would play a solos mode. I just think the people who expect it to have less pvp rushing are wrong

[lucid root]

i wonder if they have any kind of match balancing at all behind the scenes, like is it possible to be the only solo in a match of 3 mans?

[agile condor]

Isn't it easier to have 3 people looting and then trading what they don't need - also easier to kill the PVE

[brittle patrol]

i like it but that seems like it would make the game a little bit mor boring on one hand on the other it would be the best way to get gear and gold with little risk

[lucid root]

yeah, assuming you have 3 classes that don't use each others gear

[urban pollen]

if there is a lot less blue portals in solo queue, you are going to have to fight every time to get out at the end

[agile condor]

I feel like that's relatively common

[urban pollen]

instead of noping out on end game pvp battles

[lucid root]

thats a big con of class stacking, you all fight over loot o_o

[brittle patrol]

or it would just force more people into hell (which im super ok with)

[urban pollen]

edge playing the circle and finding a good blue portal

[blazing vapor]

Personally I'd rather the devs just keep putting all of their resources into the one variant we have (parties 1-3 filling the lobby randomly) to make it the best it can be. There's more challenges with a solo only mode than just the question of party sizes.

[mossy ruin]

@agile condor idk if youve had a lot of solo runs go well, but usually you just are way over full imo, playing with a friend or 2 and we share I end up with way less loot and we move slower in fact. And we are more likely to take fights, or make mistakes, and if someone dies... its possible we cant get their share of loot because its to another group.

[next snow]

@green dust What the hell is your problem, man??!

[lucid root]

as a solo i usually have to cut the match short and take one of the first few portals, run out of bandies and pots. so i'd rather make it out with a partial inventory

[gray vessel]

But that's a completely different solution. Why add solos in the first place if the only reason to add solos was to reduce rushing which it doesn't even solve. If rushing is really a problem then changing spawns in the normal mode is the obvious solution. Though I dont think it's a problem.

[brittle patrol]

I played majority solo last playtest and was top 50 on kills in HR but I could see your point from a new player point of view how frustrating it can be

[agile condor]

In our groups - the ranger would kill PVE, the cleric loots corpses, and the rogue loots boxes, I don't see how 1 person does all this faster lol

[mossy ruin]

i didn't post any frustration really, bit confused what you mean.

[glacial bridge]

im attached to the concept that we are Adventurers in a Dungeon full of danger. Forming a party is just inherently the right thing to do and I wouldn't want a solos mode on a base level

[brittle patrol]

oh no no, i dont mean you are frustrated sorry. I miss read " but usually you just are way over full imo" as you get overrun by teams. My mistake

[tardy smelt]

🪓

[mossy ruin]

ye, I played rogue and barbarian, just stormed through the map with opening doors or smashing and took fights that were advantageous or just skirted around groups holding lanes, barbarian actually loot god since its insta break chests. Some may disagree, but was fun asl for me

[brittle patrol]

I'd agree barbs and rogues by default loot the fastest, unless you have gear with resourcefulness then it just speeds up the process by a good ammout

[glacial bridge]

everywhere i turn people just want ai summons/pets its killing me

please please no automated damage/sentries

[placid canopy]

cant detect stealth

🤔

[mossy ruin]

koko, are you european?

you remind me of someone who is a big memechamp, I forget where hes from exactly, norway or sweden, sometin like that, was just wondering, dont mean any offense

or offence, depending

[brittle patrol]

Yeah its just a bit of trolling nothing to see here 😉

[glacial bridge]

but they mean it. the same people would play a game like Mordhau and want summons

[mossy ruin]

Nah, you don't really know that, Mordhau players are a different breed to begin with.

They are SO Mordhau that its Mordhau

[brittle patrol]

Well i think we can trust in the devs to know its an awful idea

[glacial bridge]

i see this game as a big venn diagram with players from:

Dungeons and Dragons
Escape from Tarkov
Kingsfield/Mordhau

all with very different backgrounds and opinions

[mossy ruin]

I mean we might get a scouting pet that you can see through like warlocks, cause it is 5e based.

Warlocks are super sickKkk

[strange sable]

And then there’s me, who hasn’t played any of those

[mossy ruin]

wizards also could have familiar, idk I want a warlock but idk if its gunna be in game

[glacial bridge]

whats your background? If dark souls, i would consider that adjacent to Kingsfield

[brittle patrol]

yeah ive played 10 hours of tark, i hate the game played around 20 with mord first came out enjoyed it but never found longevity and fun with the focus to twitchy zoomer gamer mechanics. this game is the best of all of them so far simple but still hardcore

[mossy ruin]

tbh, i wouldn't be surprised if we get rotation speed capped during weapon swings in the future. That would be interesting

Less 'every weapon has cleave'

[lusty wren]

Dwarves is such a bad idea

why do people like it?

[strange sable]

Mostly shooters and indies like hollow knight and rimworld

[mossy ruin]

BECAUSE THEY ARE DWARVES

Bad is not 'a problem,' they are fun!

[lusty wren]

But isnt the hitbox size obviously not balanced?

[brittle patrol]

Yeah but how do you balance that, thers a clear LARGE adv to having a smaller hitbox

[lusty wren]

Cleric/fighter actually

[glacial bridge]

dwarves are awesome in D&D so i understand the appeal. but for a pvp game with hitboxes they would be OP

high health, small hitbox, dark vision is a dream

[strange sable]

Proxy dwarves are the best

[lusty wren]

They are fun sure, but the hitbox size is clearly unbalanced

[brittle patrol]

im the only rogue main i see in here a lot of the time

[mossy ruin]

They are wider first of all, so like, wider and shorter, and they aren't GNOMES, gnomes are way small, dwarves are chest height. as for balance, they would be so easy to headshot and they wouldn't be able to land headshots themselves, they are disadvantaged, so balance not necessary?

[lusty wren]

I dont understand this "they would be so easy to headshot and they wouldn't be headshottable,"

[strange sable]

They can just be really chubby to balance it

[mossy ruin]

I didnt understand it either

[placid canopy]

Think people forget small hitbox is only good vs ranged attacks

It's a melee dps loss and effective health loss

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message. No

[lusty wren]

Maybe, but just being shorter has lots of advantages like lots of windows you get pegged by archers atm that you simply wouldnt be seen if you were shorter. Traps also you could just walk under them without crouching

[glacial bridge]

Goblins/Halflings/Gnomes would be expected to have less hp as a tradeoff. part of the dwarf appeal is that they are also tanky in most peoples eyes

[lucid root]

gnomes also get helicopters

[placid canopy]

It's the same reason the high ground is so op. Nobody can headshot you cuz they literally can't reach and you have free reign on their head

[mossy ruin]

Thats fine, I dont think theres really gunna be a lack of trade offs, but if they put that stuff in game, ur overreacting to the power balance. And if it is overtuned, they can adjust it till its right or outright remove it and state its impractical to balance. It is a pretty valid concept that the game could totally adapt.

They could easily be slower by default so the trap avoidance would be a nice tradeoff

[lusty wren]

I mean if you give dwarves less HP for example you are taking way from what dwarves are

[glacial bridge]

personally, im fine with a bunch of race options in the game that arent necessarily balanced.

add proximity chat and you will have plenty of gnome barbarians just trying to style with their less-effective kits.

what gives me pause is 9 million halfling rangers playing call of duty

[mossy ruin]

Yes, there is the short rangers problem

[lusty wren]

short rogue too

could be a monster

[mossy ruin]

Thats probably the biggest issue is short ranged combat, rogue would have to stab legs or back, no head

[glacial bridge]

if goblins are a race, i would 100% have a Goblin Rogue

[mossy ruin]

sorta a big deal

[placid canopy]

Short melee seems really bad. Short ranged seems really strong

[mossy ruin]

but ranged can headshot, very problem

Making them slower base speed is a very relevant thing

[lusty wren]

They get a perk for doing this. and would be super hard to see and hit compared to others

[mossy ruin]

Plus small creatures in D&D, like gnomes and goblins, etc, cant use larger weaponry and therefore deal less damage to begin with. The game could adapt a damage reduction to some things.

Its all very open to finetuning and decent corrections to allow for fun, Gnomes in melee would literally be oneshot

[glacial bridge]

my first thought is make bow strength a core mechanic for damage and give every small race reduced strength i suppose. that wouldnt apply to crossbows unless they had a strength reason to reload slower

[mossy ruin]

they have big heads and cover 100% of body from top down

[lusty wren]

Adding in all these different hitboxes makes it vastly harder to balance especially for an indie team that has one person balancing the entire game

[mossy ruin]

well thats for the person in charge to decide, but a suggestion is still valid and we dont decide any more than talking about the idea itself. If its too much in scope then thats just how it is.

[lusty wren]

I think its pretty clear its out of scope for one dev

😄

but we shall see

[mossy ruin]

Well dwarves aren't really that short, but the small ones are very likely a problem case

[next wing]

melee slasher mechanics and small hitboxes dont mix well

[glacial bridge]

as long as its not completely broken then i dont really care. im more interested in customization choices. I just hate the current culture of everyone doing what their streamer told them is meta and all brains turn off

[mossy ruin]

Rename game easily to 'Dwarf and Dwarver'

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message all upvotes! Grats Suspense!

[mossy ruin]

That will always exist unless a game NDAs the content pre and/or post release. And thats a bad idea since its free advertisement. Its just how life is, people dont want to think for themselves. Also I agree its kinda lame, but the way I look at it: You get shit on in game by something, you try it out, the natural meta 'changes.' Publicity of content creators just escalate that situation to like 100-10,000 people at once.

[strange sable]

First downvote, sorry suspense

[agile condor]

Peypug, get outa here

[strange sable]

Sometimes the ideas just start flowing and you need to post 3 suggestions in 15 minutes

[lusty wren]

I like the idea of 1 suggestion per day 😄

[strange sable]

Proxy do you even make suggestions lmao

[lusty wren]

I dont

😄

[glacial bridge]

Moving forward, how about 1 suggestion total. Make it count

[lusty wren]

Though some have made suggestions on my behalf does that count?

[glacial bridge]

i did make a suggestion on Proxy's behalf. can confirm

[strange sable]

Yeah I guess that counts

[placid canopy]

Sounds like timeout evasion

[glacial bridge]

SYKE SYKE SYKE THAT WAS MY IDEA IM THE SMARTEST BOY

[lusty wren]

I am more interested in discussing the suggestions then forming my own.

[strange sable]

I upvoted just for you suspense

[lusty wren]

There is my suggestion

[mossy ruin]

Isnt that a known future thing?

[agile condor]

If make-suggestion was 1 per day though, it would force people to think about their suggestions more 😄 but they also could only edit once a day if it was done through slow-mode, there are other ways though.

[lusty wren]

Ya, they have said they would like a dragon like in the loading screen for HR

[agile condor]

1 hour is a good start though

[strange sable]

The dragon could be in floor 1 because it will be bigger

And it doesn’t really make sense for a dragon to be inside

[strange sable]

The loading screens are sick

[lusty wren]

Agreed

I think a dragon in the inferno map fits well

Or maybe

[strange sable]

Infernal already has 2 bosses though

[lusty wren]

you enter a portal to it? Like if you are the last group left you in hell and you can activate a portal to the dragon boss that takes you to its cave? or some shit

[lusty wren]

These are floor 2 bosses they said

[strange sable]

Oooh I like that

[lusty wren]

They just live there for playtests

[soft relic]

Unfortunately, there are too many advantages in the current iteration of the game to being short.

For example, small weapons can still be 2 shot kills. Once damage from gear is factored in, large weapons with slow swing speeds are not as good as faster weapons that kill in the same number of hits.

As to rogues being unable to headshot if they they were short... most rogues don't go for headshots right now in PvP once you're geared up. You don't need them, and being honest dagger range is so short, often the head is too far away to hit even if you are running into model collision with the person.

Now if the damage model gets changed, that could fix a lot of the issues. But if it stays anywhere close to what it is now? Short characters will be strictly better.

[lucid root]

we need haunted npcs, like they phase through walls and do weird ghost shit

[placid canopy]

Dragon makes sense to be the biggest boss as they're iconic and powerful

[lusty wren]

Agreed, and i like having to fight for the right to fight it by being the last group alive in inferno

[strange sable]

wraith but annoying

[glacial bridge]

i like dragon as final boss since they guard treasure.

if we're in baldurs gate then my money is on the Lich to win a 1v1

[lucid root]

fightin' smaug

[strange sable]

I like this idea because I don’t think the dragon fits into the infernal theme. The 3rd floor boss should be like a demon boss

[sonic pendant]

your inventory space couldn't fit the hoard they'd have to give for winning that battle lmao

[strange sable]

Omg ness your back

[lusty wren]

Ya It would be sick

[sonic pendant]

i am

[strange sable]

How

[mossy ruin]

From what I can tell for the most part, I just dont understand how any of your points really contradict the idea of being 1 foot shorter. Because that is what a Dwarf's height is realistically, they are 4-5feet tall. This is literally pretty reasonable height and would only disadvantage the shorter player. Only one player in either scenario can headshot, and in a world where thats not relevant, then its even.

[lusty wren]

If it dropped unique items youd drop shit for it

[sonic pendant]

other mods got involved i guess. idk.

[sonic pendant]

hahah for sure

[lusty wren]

welcome back

[agile condor]

What happened with Ness? lol

[sonic pendant]

ty

[soft relic]

No, it's not even. Even a small change in hitbox size can be a big deal. If there are virtually no downsides that matter, everyone will choose the smaller hitbox.

[strange sable]

Teddy unfairly banned him for a day

[glacial bridge]

probably dont need to go into it again. clapped for a wall of text

[sonic pendant]

i defended someone who was banned for asking for POC/trans chars. they didn't go about it in a very polite manner, but i spoke up and got muted immediately by some other uninvolved mod

[sonic pendant]

but yes, this

[lusty wren]

Modding is a learning curve just like DaD is 😄 mistakes can be made

[agile condor]

lol RIP - we have been asking for more moderation around these parts 😄 careful whatca wish for I suppose

[strange sable]

Anyone else think players should be able to sell items to merchants while they wait to go down to the next floor so they can have more space

[mossy ruin]

But the hitbox isn't truly smaller, I will admit this point here I am being semantical, but dwarvess are stout, shorter and wider, they should actually have the same hitbox overall size, just less than a head lower. Furthermore, I see you point, flat damage stackin will probably be changed at somepoint but maybe not. Either way, these present systems that have 'issue' with new features are adjustable too

[lusty wren]

I no like

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message essentially PoE standard league would be the best solution imo

[sonic pendant]

ehhh this one i think no. if you wanted to sell, you could have left via blue. you know?

[strange sable]

Even going down 1 floor you barely have enough room for items, 2 floors is going to be even worse

[mossy ruin]

They totally nerf loot in the future

[lusty wren]

I think all gear should require escape to be earned.

They did state that loot will be lowered when three levels are in

[mossy ruin]

Shit was waaay to easy

[agile condor]

You're probably taking gray collectables worth like 1 gold coin for 2 slots, drop that stuff lol

[mossy ruin]

not really any grey items on HR

[lusty wren]

I imagine as you go down loot gets better as they stated. SO you will be dropping white/grey shit for green/blue shit

[agile condor]

collectables? there are

[lusty wren]

including trinkets for gold

[agile condor]

Even white items, don't touch um

[lusty wren]

Then in HR, you will be dropping green/blue shit in the first levels for purple/gold shit

[agile condor]

heck if you're in HR - only collectables you should be grabbing are blue+ imo (green if you're empty and leaving soon)

[mossy ruin]

rarely, white and grey, I was surprised the first time I found one in my experience, maybe I was just lucky for a while? idk

[lusty wren]

I grab em all and just drop shit when needed

[lucid root]

the secret council gathered and decided to give ness mercy 👼

[agile condor]

that also works

[mossy ruin]

But also, like, yeah grab all, although i definitely left greys and white HR, but grab all is fine

[agile condor]

haha

[lusty wren]

Also in my group I have 2 loot whore friends so I rarely get a full inventory in the first floor

[sonic pendant]

you gotta find new friends 🤣 people gotta share

[lucid root]

what a couple of cunts

[lusty wren]

I mean if its relevant to me they give it to me. But I am also typically the one listening for other teams as they loot

I play slower then they do

[strange sable]

Proxy do you play as a wizard?

[sonic pendant]

sounds like you're a good tm ha

[agile condor]

Back to my 1 team, I was the ranger pushing forward to clear PVE, the cleric looted corpses/vases and the rogue looted chests - I also rarely got anything, but they'd give me stuff they found lol

[lusty wren]

Cleric/Fighter

[glacial bridge]

loot whore friends are always so unnecessary. it almost always is the least skilled person on the team too 😂

[cosmic thistle]

No but if voting to not wanting devs to add trans characters to a fantasy medieval game is transphobic than yes. At this point just start accusing devs for being transphobic for only adding two genders if we are this sensitive.

[agile condor]

Idk about unnecessary? lol

[lusty wren]

Id say opposite for my group, My wiz buddy is the best of us and the biggest loot whore

[jagged thunder]

they get their squad wiped alot tho making it fun for others

[agile condor]

Even in Diablo/PoE - you hire loot goblins to run around and collect everything for you 😄

[sonic pendant]

i met one dude on here who played a barb and he was incredible. i'd be cleric and just keep him alive while he waded through 3mans. and we'd pick up some random 3rd, usually a ranger, and swap them out if they were bad. having a good team is so much more important than being great yourself

[pulsar sierra]

But that would split the playerbase 😦

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
i like this, but instead just have it 'archive' your old season character so you can look at his gear and stuff on the official website or something

[lusty wren]

Agreed a team that works well together can beat teams that have overall more skill but dont work as well together

[jagged thunder]

barb needs a wiz and cleric to be cracked

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message - agree with the issue and solution here but still want different character names hah

[pale plinth]

How much would it cost to be able to ride the skeletons

[agile condor]

Noone plays standard when a new season releases, this would be no different

[sonic pendant]

for sure, ignite/divine strike/protection/bless/haste is outrageously powerful. most wizards are too DPS focused tho

[pulsar sierra]

That would be fine too, I just personally like the mini game of picking and choosing your favorite drops

[pulsar sierra]

Idk, half the time I play Poe it’s standard, league or not, just because it’s much easier to make a cool build there

[sonic pendant]

it's only $99.95, i'll send you my paypal info to get started 🤣

[jagged thunder]

barb has a few builds as well so theyll be buffed 6-7 times

[lucid root]

hardcore PoE was fun for like 2 years post official launch...then its like yeah the novelty wears off i just want to test builds

[agile condor]

So if PoE was league only, sounds like you wouldn't be playing at all... reducing the playbase 🤔

[glacial bridge]

@strange sable some games just do a system where sending an invite to a character will invite the player even if they are on a different toon.

eg: i am playing my wizard. if my friend does '/invite <myrogue>' then i receive the invite on wizard.

[pale plinth]

Are there any chickens in the game? I want to be a farmer

[pulsar sierra]

Different games though no?
Poe has gear permanence

[strange sable]

That makes sense

[jagged thunder]

character houses?

[pulsar sierra]

Unless you’re playing hardcore, but even that gear never gets deleted, just moved to standard

[agile condor]

Definitely a different game, just don't think this splits much

[glacial bridge]

either way works for me, i just have a hard time remembering some account id's over a player name

[sonic pendant]

there was a good suggestion at some point about having harvestable fruits/herbs/whatever in the b1/forest level that's been talked about, for crafting potions. so chicken aren't too far off

[agile condor]

Yeah - goes to stardard, a place for all your crazy best gear to test stuff between leagues

isn't that basically what's wanted?

[jagged thunder]

chicken mobs

[lusty wren]

I like having different char names. But ya making sure if you invite one it invites the account and not the char would be nice

[pulsar sierra]

Well my suggestion was assuming there will be no in-between time after a league ends, just a gear wipe like in Tarkov

So it was more about just having something to remember previous leagues by, the gear would be unusable

[jagged thunder]

atleast you can change characters without leaving the party

[lusty wren]

Standard would struggle to create matches though. Because as seen in other games its always deserted with only a handful of players

[sonic pendant]

oh god i'm getting Ocarina of Time flashbacks... you don't mess with the chicken mobs.

[agile condor]

Maybe it's offline only, solo/pve loll

[lusty wren]

And if people are spending lots of time on standard you are splitting the playerbase heavily making match times across the board to go up

[pulsar sierra]

Exactly the concern I had

[lusty wren]

Its a lose lose

[agile condor]

If people start spending a lot of time not in the game, you have a smaller playerbase

That's fine, you've convinced me to change my vote lol

[lusty wren]

Yes and managing many different modes increases this issue

[jagged thunder]

family names for characters?

[lusty wren]

I like this

[sonic pendant]

this was my concern with suggestions like a training zone or w/e. we've got two rooms now, normal and HR, but the more that gets divided, the harder it'll be to populate a game and the higher the queue times go. same reason i dont' want solo/duo/ etc queues

[pulsar sierra]

A game can work well with a small playerbase as long as it isn’t split

Conversely it can work horribly even with a huge playerbase, I.e. Tarkov

[jagged thunder]

most games are toxic messes

[sonic pendant]

this. tarkov has what like 11 maps or something now? each split between night and day? that's 20+ queues. 40+ queues if you factor in scav runs. i stopped playing this latest wipe because i did two raids and spent a total of like 25 mins in queue for those two raids

[lusty wren]

So just to flex, the one suggestion I made has a 100% upvote rate. get wrecked 😄

I did cheat though

[sonic pendant]

i just discovered there's not a pitchfork emoji

[white cliff]

Wait didn’t you get timed out

[strange sable]

[sonic pendant]

somebody else will explain this

[glacial bridge]

i have a 43-0 suggestion. you may address me as king, Proxy

[strange sable]

He was saved

[white cliff]

Vague.

[strange sable]

I had a suggestion with 70 upvotes and 0 downvotes so…

[mossy ruin]

Only 25minutes? damn you lucky dog

[strange sable]

I have never played Tarkov but it looks sucky

[sonic pendant]

used to be amazing. but the devs decided to spend all their time breaking player meta strats and making everything take ages and now.... 🤷‍♂️

[glacial bridge]

Tarkov is scarier than any horror game if you arent good

[lucid root]

this game is pretty scary if you don't know what you're doing

[strange sable]

Btw do you guys think there will ever be a 4th floor

[glacial bridge]

i would rather see parallel floors

[mossy ruin]

The game itself is a slow progression of learning what not to do over and over, and over and over and over, and over and over and over and over. After I learned all that they added in gun jamming (relevant early wipe) and gross momentum changes and more bleeding and loot changes that feel bad and JESUS I just want to get good PvP but sometimes its a bad day of ratting and its just depressing. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

[strange sable]

If they plan to make a 4th floor they should increase player count

[glacial bridge]

Forest -> Dungeon -> Inferno as a set. then Place -> Place -> Place as a different map set

[strange sable]

Oooh yes

[glacial bridge]

bring in goblins, orcs, gnolls for a map theme. then do a drow / scorpion / etc one in the underdark

but that would be down the line assuming they have a healthy playerbase, dont want too many queues :D

[strange sable]

Town - sewer - dungeon

[tardy smelt]

needs trolls in that first set. hmmm, what else is there in underdark...

[glacial bridge]

Duergar, Glazebru, Githyanki, Beholders

sounds all way too difficult to survive

[tardy smelt]

Why do the Githyanki sound familiar? digging.

ah, yes Mindflayer slaves.

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message sitting at 63/0 for the ending circle to not insta-kill and instead increase damage tick the longer a player stays in there trying to get out. Currently I have to watch there circle closing to guess when I got to jump out where as I'd rather watch my health to know when I gotta leave

[mossy ruin]

I would like an easier tell of the 'moment' to leave and if its shifted to watching health, id like that, but the highroller run waits for the previous map, and thats probably a byproduct of that. Maybe they will adjust things or make blue portals shutdown and force you into next map.

[lucid root]

do you guys think out-healing the zone is a good thing to keep in the game, i like the skill aspect, but the first floor zone just does no damage

[mossy ruin]

I think it does a shit ton more as it gets smaller before instadeath, no?

[lucid root]

oh it scales up as it gets smaller?

[mossy ruin]

But as for the early zones, yes let them be weaker, to go around players holding hallways. Pretty common theme

[strange sable]

It’s impossible to out heal for forever… right?

[lucid root]

yeah but you can survive for...however many pots and bandages you have

again i like it, but there's almost no stress factor with the zone anymore

[mossy ruin]

Forever, it is impossible cause itll insta kill you, you could probably heal a loooong time if ur in an outer room early on

[strange sable]

True

[sonic pendant]

yea i like it; it adds a lot of interesting plays and escapes from combat/sneak attacks.

also the zone was way worse during the recent playtest.

[glacial bridge]

honestly, a time extension of 15 seconds would make a world of difference. have the screen go dark at the same time as before

[sonic pendant]

the oct/nov one you could be in there for ages

[glacial bridge]

peeking through the small hole of vision and running to a portal would feel great. just need a few more seconds

[lucid root]

don't go to the light!

add sanity meters like amnesia

[strange sable]

I agree with this. I don’t this proximity chat fits in this games atmosphere. #d-and-d-suggestions message

[glacial bridge]

i mean... dont like Proximity then turn it off and it will never exist for you. People who want it will use it and offer negotiations to strangers. if they dont reply then they die

even if its not a priority. its a perk to people who want it and has zero downsides to people that dont want it

[lucid root]

if there's proximity chat i'm going to run a soundboard of horror sound effects, maybe they'll preemptively quit the match

[strange sable]

True. Changed my vote

[lucid root]

stock up on invisibility potions and just harass the same person all match

[glacial bridge]

spider skittering sounds on blast 👿

[lucid root]

they start going insane and attacking empty space everywhere trying to hit me

[lusty wren]

I think speaking in prox should remove invis 😄

[lucid root]

Ruining my strat huh

[lusty wren]

lol

[glacial bridge]

i see he mentioned muting and a reason against it. thats a fair point but just comes down to the range prox is set to. I get a lot of kills in Warzone 2 from people using prox that I wouldnt have gotten otherwise. I dont think his preference should take higher value still

<"Just mute it." Muting proximity chat will put you at a disadvantage, because your awareness will be lower overall than somebody who has proximity chat enabled.>

[lusty wren]

Yes, and if you want to be competitive it means you have to deal with the people screeching and playing music which does suck

[lucid root]

Crawling in my skin with maximum distortion

[glacial bridge]

the type of person jumping around with a soundboard will still be fighting monsters and sprinting hallways if you have prox muted. i dont see it as an issue

[dusky widget]

People didn't like my Necromancer suggestion, i guess its because i described him much pve focused-like

[strange sable]

Why is a skill to get mana when there is no mana in this game

[glacial bridge]

it is 100% entirely about summons

[dusky widget]

mage meditates.

[glacial bridge]

necromancers are cool af. summons are a terrible addition

[dusky widget]

to regain skill usages.

the idea was just one summon usage, not a spawn thing.

the would be cool to use in lower levels.

[glacial bridge]

Death, Blood, Poison are all great themes to build around. an AI who fights for you is a deal breaker for me

[dusky widget]

good! i like that approach too

i though in a really janky AI LUL

like this one skelly there annoying.

just one*

what about dark magic?

like confusion and ilusion magic?

[lucid root]

Warlocks are going to be the new hotness

[glacial bridge]

yeah im cool with all of that stuff. i just dont like automated damage/sentries

[dusky widget]

in my head the summoned skelly would not be so annoying. like two to three hits to take him down

[pallid vapor]

I’m with the no proximity chat guy. Doesn’t fit this game. Don’t want screechers or people blaring static through their headset, don’t want to have to turn it off to put myself at a tactical disadvantage.

[dusky widget]

LUL

the chat though i typed something bad.

[lucid root]

Have you ever seen forsen playing pubg

[pallid vapor]

No

[lucid root]

It's a fate worse than death

[pallid vapor]

Yeah I can only imagine

[glacial bridge]

i just think of summon and envision certain situations which would be a worse version of the game than the one we have played

summoned skeleton horizontal swings and hits an ally whos melee range. they are in first person and arent looking at the ai. die and rage

i am slow-walking in a hallway being quiet and scout an enemy player not paying attention or looting, their summon aggros to me and alerts them of danger

body blocking

[foggy shadow]

Im pro proximity chat

In high roller dungeons itll be more serious

[dusky widget]

man, you just said something that i have not though! if the monsters target you in the dark would really suck

just remember that is just one skelly. never more than one summon alive.

what about regain magic slots, trough consuming souls?

[pallid vapor]

Will still be toxicity and annoying if people who will bring the quality of the game down

[glacial bridge]

unrelated-- i also have ptsd playing turn based games with people who want to play summoners. i take 1 turn and then they take 5 turns in a row

[foggy shadow]

Then turn it off

[glacial bridge]

i also am butthurt about any point in WoW where beastmaster hunters were an OP spec

[pallid vapor]

I stated why I don’t want to and don’t think that’s a fair argument

[foggy shadow]

Why not

How is it a disadvantage

[pallid vapor]

Having it on allows me to hear things from a distance I may have not heard otherwise. Having it in subjects me to people saying the N word or slamming pots and pans in the background

[dusky widget]

well if you mute a player, the muted player should also not hear you right? for fair reasons

[lucid root]

Anyone playing seriously would just have it off and be on discord

[foggy shadow]

Well thats the trade off

[pallid vapor]

Why the hell does there have to be a trade off I. This game

[lucid root]

If you're a streamer playing for content then they'll probably leave it on

[pallid vapor]

How do people not understand the point I’m making is it’s a disadvantage to have it off, even if it’s not a huge one, it still very much is

[foggy shadow]

Ok but wouldnt you hear footsteps?

[dusky widget]

yeah i agree with borg, the "voice call" already exist, by people playing it on discord. Maybe having an option to turn it on off. and allowing the player to choose.

[glacial bridge]

Equally, why should we be forced to play the game in silence because you dont want to mute prox chat. You're still taking your preference and imposing that over all of players instead of abstaining from the system

[dusky widget]

footsteps, shots, sfx man

cmon

[lucid root]

Wait explain to me again how it's a disadvantage having it off...my brain no worky

[pallid vapor]

If people are crouching ina. Corner far enough that I can’t hear their feet, but talking loud enough I can hear them. I would miss audio queues

[foggy shadow]

Like if you turn off voice you can still hear all the other sounds

So somebody who is in the corner crouched is going to say the n word

[dusky widget]

LUL

[foggy shadow]

Like thats an easy kill anyways

[foggy shadow]

This too

Democracy moment

[pallid vapor]

A rogue sneaks up behind you and plays ear destroying music before attacking to throw you off

[foggy shadow]

Lmfao

[pallid vapor]

And another huge point, it’s incredibly hard to moderate voice chat.

[lucid root]

That's an oil barrel

[foggy shadow]

What about this, one play test we try it, just once, and see how it goes

[lucid root]

Let's call it the streamer clusterfuck playtest

[foggy shadow]

Yessir

[lucid root]

Streamsniper galore

[pallid vapor]

I mean sure I have nothing against testing it. I just don’t think it fits this game atmosphere of dark and hardcore, then having squeakers run across the hallway

[foggy shadow]

Then kill the squeakers

[dusky widget]

they are sure gonna be an easy target

and if they blast a sound on your back, then look more to your back.

[pallid vapor]

It would 100% lead to some funny and memorable moments, but more than that it’s just going to be annoying. I know that’s a minority opinion but that’s where I’m at

[lucid root]

Whenever I'm being chased I'm going to play basketball sneakers squeeking sound effect

[glacial bridge]

im not hard committed to either side. if there was no proximity chat then I would get over that quickly. I do think it would add more positive moments overall than negative ones.

[dusky widget]

i respect your opinion Aculus

[foggy shadow]

If we get proximity chat i can get a filter that makes my voice feminine and raise an army of simps to defend me

[pallid vapor]

Even somebody waking around quietly but playing the footsteps sfx, making it sound like somebody is walking away from another direction. Hilarious, but also could be crazy abused

[foggy shadow]

Their mic would be crazy good

[glacial bridge]

i get called slurs all the time in warzone. Hearing "That n*** is cracked" is just funny and shouldn't offend.

If I were a dev, i would probably not implement prox chat because I dont want to put in the effort of moderating the actual awful people who would abuse it in bad ways

[pallid vapor]

Of course a statement like that is completely fine. It’s the statements that aren’t that, combined with the difficulty of moderating.

[glacial bridge]

if there was no moderation at all, i would just mute someone who sucks and move on with my day

[pallid vapor]

I mean if that’s all I could do about it then same. But it’s not fair to the people they are actually trying to offend. I’m not going to be offended by someone’s words but I don’t tolerate that shit cause I know it does offend people who don’t deserve it

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message. Was this downvoted because people don’t want rogues to move while hidden or do people actually think the wizard needs the invis spell

[glacial bridge]

lol thats the issue with having 2 things. if anyone is against either then they downvote

[lucid root]

3 second invis?

[vagrant stone]

i think part of the issue is that people will downvote because

A. They prefer having the invis spell, they like the game the way it is
B. They don't want the rogues to be able to move while invis

and so two groups of people may downvote

even if they agree with one of the topics

and so you're setting yourself up for failure

[foggy shadow]

So the bad moments from proximity chat are always worse than the good moments

Thats what im getting

[vagrant stone]

i think so tbh

[foggy shadow]

The net benefit is greater imo of proximity chat

[vagrant stone]

do i really want a 10 year old screaming at me while i'm killing him

people trying to work together

[strange sable]

I think good moments happen more often though

[foggy shadow]

Yeah same

[vagrant stone]

90% of people will just use it to troll like cmon

[glacial bridge]

thats the thing though. anyone who doesnt think prox chat is worth can just perma mute it and it will never affect them.

saying NO prox chat is deciding for the whole playerbase that they cannot make the decision for themselves

[foggy shadow]

Preach bruddah

[gray vessel]

true, I say no prox cause I want no one to have prox >:)

[vagrant stone]

i mean i'm impartial if its optional

[foggy shadow]

I might find my future wife on prox

I NEEED THIIS

[glacial bridge]

i didnt intend for this to draw out my libertarian side 😂 i just think its a perk for people who like it and anyone who doesnt can completely opt out

[fast lily]

Real talk, being able to use pickpocket once while in the pre-game 'tavern' part of a run would be really fun. You still need to survive and escape, but...

[sonic pendant]

absolutely never this; that's all anyone would do...

[glacial bridge]

zero to hero naked rogue highroller runs just got interesting

[foggy shadow]

Real talk bro

Real talk

[sonic pendant]

fake talk though, when are we getting helicopters?

[fast lily]

Yeah that's op I just think it'd make the most sense to have pickpocket have an effect then instead of trying to make it some random mechanic during the actual dungeon.

[foggy shadow]

Just allow it during stealth

[glacial bridge]

i just think you should be able to pickpocket while in stealth. if they are holding still then you get your item. you either run away or stand still hoping they dont find you

[sonic pendant]

i think the pickpocket skill is serving its function; it's a meme generator. the people making the pickpocket vids are doing great with it. i'd be OK with it being possible during stealth, but even that's not necessary

[gray vessel]

We should remove inventories. Anyone who makes it to a blue portal and extracts should just get an even share of all loot in the dungeon. Completely randomized, so if you bring good gear in, you might lose it by rng to someone else who blue portals.

This will make bringing good gear in about kill hunting because you can only ensure your good gear stays with you if you kill all players in the dungeon

[sonic pendant]

we should remove weapons. anyone who makes it to a blue portal and extracts is a confirmed hacker.

[glacial bridge]

probably an unpopular opinion. i miss on PUBG when we used to always take off our shoes for quieter footsteps (found out later its client side only and enemies hear you the same).

With boots in this game giving +movespeed, I would like the option to be quieter sneaking bare foot

[sonic pendant]

i agree with that; bare foot slaps are too loud

unrelated but twitch just decided to stop allowing me to claim tarkov drops and i'm annoyed.

just lost out on my legendary drop

[glacial bridge]

i havent played Tarkov in like 18 months and have no motivation to try again

[sonic pendant]

same, maybe longer for me. i played 2 raids so far this wipe just to try streets; performance and queue times are so bad i had to stop. but i've been leaving twitch running with an auto-drop collector extension running just to get free loot in case it gets better again after the event. but yea i haven't played since like... weight was added, really.

[glacial bridge]

i never played that update but heard quite a bit about it

thats one of the main reasons i didnt come back

or at least, didnt 'want' to play

[sonic pendant]

i didn't even get into streets. waited 20 mins. tried interchange, waited like 9, did a raid, repeated and waited 15, then gave up

[lusty wren]

I did 2 raids

both had 10+ minute waiting time

so i quit

[sonic pendant]

yee dark and darker has spoiled me for queue times... can't tolerate that tarkov life anymore

[glacial bridge]

im assuming there was server issues. i waited for 15+ on warzone a couple days ago and just gave up lol

i got limited time. if a queue isnt popping then ill just play something else

[sonic pendant]

same

[lusty wren]

I dont really care the reason tbh 10+ min match times are just a big nope for me

I got better shit to do with my time

[lucid root]

All my ques in dnd were like sub 5 seconds

Then one random game that didn't fill up and the timer ran down

[sonic pendant]

high roller was like that a lot. only had that in maybe one in 30 normal lobbys

probably less, in normal

[lusty wren]

I only had long timer in HC in the first two days of PT

After that it filled just as fast

[sonic pendant]

huh. i didn't even go high roller for the first 3 or 4 days, nearly always had to wait in the tavern at least a minute when i did

[lusty wren]

Really?

Interesting what servers?

I played on US west and US east

[sonic pendant]

NA east, west, and frankfurt, iirc, whatever the europe one was, when i was playing with overseas friends.

[lusty wren]

Interesting

[sonic pendant]

also, side note, this game performed AMAZING overseas. couldn't believe it. didn't even notice a ping issue the whole time, and i spent days in EU

[lusty wren]

Ya one of my regular group mates is from the netherlands

and we would just swap to us east for him and it was great

[sonic pendant]

i guess it's because none of the weapons/movement work in millisecond timescales; there's no near-instant bullet travel to account for. but even then, i was expecting to lag fighting and really never did

[lusty wren]

We expected him to have hiccups

but he never did

EVER

It was very surprising

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
o_O

[sonic pendant]

yea i didn't love the wording on that

#d-and-d-suggestions message i don't like the idea of scav karma being implented, with the "deals additional damage to players who have killed others in the lobby" any player that isn't killing other players just hasn't seen any yet, or has already died. 🙂

[quiet orbit]

Why isn't this Suggestion green anymore?

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[uneven hearth]

I do think the wizards invis is a little too powerful, but what about giving it a short to medium range teleport spell instead?

[lucid root]

Teleport through the jail cells and gates

[uneven hearth]

Yes

maybe not though... some of the map wasn't built with that in mind... they could just put a magical aura or something in those specific areas

[lucid root]

Use jump into teleport for an extended jump to cross big gaps

[uneven hearth]

I guess it would depend how they would program it if it worked.

[lucid root]

Shorten it to 3 seconds and remove the speed buff

[strange sable]

What about a gust 💨 spell that pushes you forward

Same thing but less op

[lucid root]

Or a smoke screen skill you just make a big cloud of smoke and run off

[uneven hearth]

lol

[strange sable]

Just steal all the rogue’s abilities lmao

[uneven hearth]

He's trolling there

[lucid root]

[strange sable]

[robust pasture]

how about tree cutting feature?

[uneven hearth]

idk if I'll put it in suggestions. I know they are more than likely going to nerf it like Borg said. My idea would require additional programing, and I could just imagine someone teleporting behind someone and just acting as a "Rogue" menace.

[strange sable]

And how about mining and crafting as well

Let’s just rename the game to Minecraft honestly

[uneven hearth]

There is mining

[robust pasture]

Oh and you can build bases and defend it! like a smol castle

[uneven hearth]

At least how crafting and gathering is implemented atm, I'm not happy with it.

[strange sable]

And how about a procedurally generated open world?

[uneven hearth]

No, Devs already talked about why they don't want that.

[robust pasture]

how about the zone will close just a tad slower

[uneven hearth]

Funny enough considering Minecraft, they did reference that about gathering and crafting.

[strange sable]

Why not?

[uneven hearth]

Just wasn't enjoyable to me. Too bland. Kind of felt like it didn't belong and was just a last minute idea added.

[strange sable]

Yeah

It needs to be expanded

[sonic pendant]

idk about him, but it's just really barebones and time-sinky. takes what like a dozen or more (successful) raids to farm enough to even make one pair of ruby boots, which are about as good as some 400g boots on the trade market. you can make 400g in one or two runs easy.

i'm glad they're working on adding it, but what we've got now isn't worth putting time into it imo

it's certainly off-meta

[uneven hearth]

Yep

[sonic pendant]

i mean, for the price that people were selling ruby ore on the market for, it would cost like 15,000 gold for a ruby chest piece... lmao

[uneven hearth]

That was the only reason to mine... to sell the ore, lol.

[sonic pendant]

^^

yea actually crafting that stuff was soley done for youtube/completionists

[uneven hearth]

Mhmmm

[strange sable]

The ruby armor does look sick though

[uneven hearth]

I think that's arguable.

I'm sure once there are more gear skins in the game, it won't look that great.

[sonic pendant]

well, sure, but it's a fact right now. it is the fanciest dress you can show up to the ball in. but that's all it has going for it, IMO, is bragging rights. especially since you still get random rolls that might suck when you craft it

[uneven hearth]

You're right, but I'm just not into standing out like that. In games where there are skins and what not, or shiny gear, I usually just wear default looking stuff.

[sonic pendant]

and i'm there with you; it doesn't mean anything to me if it doesn't benefit me. i can get some purps on the market for like 1/20 of the price/ farm time investment that just doesn't look as nice. i'm gonna do that every time

[robust pasture]

maybe its good for ironman runs

[sonic pendant]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @pulsar sierra two suggestions per day is light work for some of these kids. there was one guy putting up like 10 an hour recently... and all of them were just awful. so you're fine. continue. 🙂

[somber wind]

I love Dharo's mindset "Is 2 suggestions in 1 day too much? Probably"

[sonic pendant]

right? hahahha

[somber wind]

Meanwhile that other dude that gets -40 on everything he posts and posts like 15 a day exists

The duality of man

lol

[sonic pendant]

so conservative. we need more of that. and less of @certainpeoplewhosenameidon'tevenneedtotype

[uneven hearth]

I just wish some of them actually read the qna and watched the interview. Half the suggestions are just repeats of what they said.

[somber wind]

I feel like I post alot too, but I usually do it in like bursts every few days and most of my stuff goes positive instead of negative so I don't think I'm all that bad.

[somber wind]

YES PLEASE

There is like 1000 "VOIP PLEASE"

and "Maybe Races?"

[sonic pendant]

yea... that and just like, read through the chat first. so many repeat suggestions from players who just joined without realizing that their suggestion is like the 18th iteration of the same one

[somber wind]

I want it to be against the rules to post those

[uneven hearth]

It would be nice

Voip was suppose to be in the last play test, but they just didn't get it up in time.

[sonic pendant]

but i'm sure it's not awful for the devs to see the same suggestions pop up a lot, at least they know we're all thinking about certain things.

man voip is gonna cause so much haterade. can't wait until a 9 year old calls me a racial slur.

[uneven hearth]

Mhmmm

[sonic pendant]

but the other side of that coin is also, occasionally, GREAT content.

[uneven hearth]

Then they will have to implement a report system, and so on

[sonic pendant]

so you've got to have it, really.

[uneven hearth]

-_-

[somber wind]

Dude I'm honestly excited to hear about how much sex they're having with my mom because I solo'd their team

Salt fuels me

[uneven hearth]

It's always great to know my mom gets some action too

My mom is so old... it's more like they are shaming themselves

[sonic pendant]

hahah i just really, really, really hope that voip cuts out the instant that someone dies; i don't want to hear what you have to say after you kill me, or after i kill you.

[lusty wren]

The voip people are funny. Especially the one that says it means VOICE IN PLAY 😄

[somber wind]

That stuff was hilarious in TTT or Dark RP on Garry's Mod, I'd love it to be cut out.

Those people who scream when they're losing then just suddenly silence

[uneven hearth]

It probably will be based on how quick it switches you to spectating

[somber wind]

It's like hilarious, perfectly cut screams kind of meme power

[sonic pendant]

voice in play? lol gross. VoIP =Voice over Internet Protocol, if anyone doesn't already know that

[tender magnet]

Who's posting that many?

[foggy shadow]

nah i dont believe you

[sonic pendant]

we're not allowed to say

[foggy shadow]

its voice in play

[somber wind]

Are we not?

[sonic pendant]

he'll @ the mods like instantly

[foggy shadow]

thats why the o is lowercase silly

[tender magnet]

peypug?

[somber wind]

Nah not peypug

[tender magnet]

I saw him bitching to the mods yesterday

[sonic pendant]

do what you want but i don't like to bug the mods, and he'll @ them instantly

[somber wind]

That's annoying lol

What a little whiner

[foggy shadow]

thats not cool bro

[lusty wren]

Im sitting in suspense waiting to know the name

[sonic pendant]

ily, just a little bit

anyway

[foggy shadow]

settle your differences yourself

in mortal kombat

[sonic pendant]

peypug's good people, and it's def not him.

moving on....

ruby silver needs a buff, i think we can all agree

[somber wind]

Something I think would be fun but I'd be worried about it for people with gambling addictions

[foggy shadow]

its that pug isnt it

[somber wind]

Is if we got a 1vs1 Arena

that you can be items on yourself

to win

Kinda like the Duel Arena in Runescape

[sonic pendant]

it's really not pug, he's alright, let him be.

[foggy shadow]

1v1 arena would be nice

[stuck haven]

I present, for your consideration, the Tome of Knowledge system #d-and-d-suggestions message

[foggy shadow]

im coming after him

game resets every 6 months probably

no need for it imo

[somber wind]

I hope it's 6 and not 3

[foggy shadow]

maybe at most certain cosmetics you unlock in game should carry over

[foggy shadow]

even 3 months isnt bad tbh

[somber wind]

Cosmetics shouldn't be lost for sure

3 months would probably make me feel too demotivated

Either 6 months or 3 months and there is also permanent servers.

[stuck haven]

The Tome of Knowledge system allows long term progression even after wipes

[somber wind]

3 months feels like you need to play everyday to me

[foggy shadow]

true but the current amount of content in the game you can get a good setup after a few hours

[foggy shadow]

not really, unless they change drops and xp

[somber wind]

I feel like that depends on skill and group cohesiveness

also how ballsy people are, I had a few friends that refused to go into high roller until the last day since it didn't matter anymore

[uneven hearth]

At least to me, time wise it's not worth programing. There are better things they can do with the time. Doing 1% more or taking 1% less doesn't really do enough anyway. I just avoid getting hit and have little issue killing PvE anyway.

[foggy shadow]

that was me tbh

[somber wind]

Yeah it's stuff like that that makes 3 months abit too short

[foggy shadow]

i got my a$$ whooped in 3 minutes

[somber wind]

People need to build up confidence in their build

[stuck haven]

for longer term dedicated players, an extra 3-4% damage / reduction on a mob type youve killed 1000 of makes sense, and helps alleviate the salt over wipes

[sonic pendant]

well, something to consider re: wipes/resets - the game is currently stat'ed to allow 0-max in <1 week, for the sake of playtesting; playtests would be worthless to the devs if nobody got to try the good stuff. I'm operating under the assumption that @ release, what we're currently able to accomplish/acquire in 1 week will take months. i don't expect to be able to max a char from 1-20 in a day or two when Early Access releases.

[foggy shadow]

i wouldnt be mad if it was 3 months or 6 months

[lusty wren]

Clear speed is to large of an advantage IMO to just give out like this

[uneven hearth]

Yeah, would it be nice to have. Sure... It just doesn't help enough for them to waste the resources IMO.

[stuck haven]

we are talking 3% damage after 1000 zombies killed. nobody is farming zombies for that, its just tiny progression, and the damage values on that are going to equal less than 1 swing.

[somber wind]

I do like the idea of Seasonal Wipes as well as a Permanent Server with new content being in the Seasonal and then Permanent gains that content when the Season is over (would also allow for balancing patches to be applied before Permanent gets it).

[lusty wren]

If its meaningless why give it?

[stuck haven]

honestly this isnt a coding intensive system. you simply have +1s in categories when things die. I would even make it for them if they wanted.

[sonic pendant]

that sounds like the sort of thing that skill trees will eventually unlock

[somber wind]

I cant wait for Multiclassing tbh

[stuck haven]

skills are generally class based. this is a personal account wide thing that is tiny values and wont even be noticeable for a long long time until like 1000+ kills or 10000

[lusty wren]

If its non noticeable why do it?

[stuck haven]

anyhow, just wanted to throw it out there, as it worked in an mmo in the past

[stuck haven]

because it exists, and "eventually" after like 10000 kills it might become slightly noticeable.

[uneven hearth]

lol

[sonic pendant]

well, i would like to see something given to playtesters that's not available to EA or full release players, either way. even if it's just a 0 stat skin. but something like minor, barely useful ability would make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

[stuck haven]

the knowledge "that you are progressing" is important. progression is what people are upset over wipes about.

anyhow, just wanted to post it, yall have a good one

[sonic pendant]

i agree. and you

[somber wind]

Yeah I agree as well with the idea, maybe not the exact execution though

[lusty wren]

I would be ok with some account wide progression just not in ways that effect combat

[somber wind]

I personally like the idea of the Reputation system with the Merchants

carrying over between wipes

So you can have reduced prices

with Merchants

or better stock

[strange sable]

I like that

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Why is this so long

[sonic pendant]

i would like to see something for players who've been here since X number playtest. like if you've been here for all of them, or 3 of 5, or w/e until EA releases, you should get something, some kind of merit badge.

[strange sable]

For such a simple suggestion

[lusty wren]

Some form of cosmetic for this would be cool, Maybe like a crest that one can put on their chest or shield etc

[sonic pendant]

i usually ignore long ones like that. some people are out here suggesting whole entire new skill trees with specific %'s for a dozen diff situations... it's wild.

[strange sable]

🤣

[sonic pendant]

exactly that sort of thing.

[white cliff]

@somber scroll What kind of drops? It’s a game that’s in play test?

Can’t give out copy’s of the gave yet, I mean you could I guess but?

[uneven hearth]

I was thinking the same thing.

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message. The problem with this is there is not much content for drops. The game only has 2 emotes and 1 skin rn

[lusty wren]

Drops are normally in game items not the game itself

[white cliff]

Sure but you’d have to do that. You can’t just give out gear.

[lusty wren]

Ya, itd take work for sure

[uneven hearth]

I think since it's still in playtest, they should skip it. Once the game comes out, sure.

[lusty wren]

Have to be emotes, skins, etc

[agile condor]

@pulsar sierra #d-and-d-suggestions message concern here would be people bringing in nothing so then everyone starts just bringing in nothing lol

I would be open to a PVP mode where everyone starts with the base items - cant bring in anything

[strange sable]

Another problem is emotes and skins get wiped after the playtest lmao

[sonic pendant]

I love the bit about "streamers who want to go full time." like... what? the whole week every other month?

[somber wind]

I assume from when it's released

[pulsar sierra]

Yeah, that’s why I think a gold cost would be required as well, and scaling rewards based on gear. Maybe even a modifier if you are wearing good gear?
If you go in naked - 100% reduction in currency etc

[lusty wren]

Ya, I was thinking of it in the context of fully released

Or EA release

[strange sable]

Another thing is navigating the dungeon would be pretty annoying so I would prefer a arena mode

[pulsar sierra]

Agree, it would have to be a different map for sure

[agile condor]

yeah that I just assumed, but expect everyone to go into it with the minimum amount of risk generally

[pulsar sierra]

There’s ways to scale that though, like I said above. 🙂

[strange sable]

My idea is a arena mode where everyone is forced a set of gear. There would be a entry fee and winner gets the fees

[lusty wren]

My arena mode is

[somber scroll]

In game loot, rewards for watching the streams!! Similar to tarkov. Potions, bandages, weapons, etc…

[uneven hearth]

Another suggestion I hate is buying more than one of x item. They are working on this already. It's been stated.

[strange sable]

What loot lmao. The game doesn’t have that stuff rn

[white cliff]

I’m pretty against giving people free loot honestly.

[strange sable]

True. And it’s been suggested 10 times already

[uneven hearth]

Exactly

[somber scroll]

The early access is planned to drop in spring man.. ?

[sonic pendant]

i would love to see a bunch of game modes, but i would hate to increase queue times. and as popular as this game is for the playtests, once it's in full release for a few months, numbers will settle and we'll be down to 5k or 10k concurrent like most games, and then that multitude of different game modes will cause matchmaking to take too long. so i'm find with normal/high roller being the end of it.

[sonic pendant]

yea there's like 12 of those lol

[lusty wren]

Yes Q2 is very close

[strange sable]

[pulsar sierra]

That’s why I proposed this as a time limited mode running for a few days every month, wouldn’t want to split the playerbase

[sonic pendant]

for sure. and i upvoted it already; it's not a bad idea, but yea, maybe an occasional weekend or something

[somber scroll]

The entire aspect of the game is loot, it is a loot/extract. I’m thinking you may have gotten the wrong message from my suggestion. Small drops for watching twitch live bolstering the number and moving dark up the ranks. Players would be awarded drops based on watch time for certain streamer who are playing dnd. Loot wouldn’t have to be orange gear and money or emotes. It could be a group of potions, or some green weapons.

[stuck heath]

I don't think this game will have 5-10k concurrent players at all. Those games are considered dead. A month I expect upwards of 40k+

[sonic pendant]

for sure, my numbers may be off. i'm not sure what counts as a popular game these days.

#d-and-d-suggestions message show yourselves some love

[strange sable]

10,000 players at a time is not dead lol

[stuck heath]

If they go from 50-60k to that yes it is. If it was always around there then no. Also depends on the game as well.

[sonic pendant]

yea i just checked steamcharts.com and 10k concurrent players would be in the top 75-100 games so i'm not far off.

[stuck heath]

damn yeah 9k barely breaks top 100 thats kinda crazy. the huge difference in top 20 to the rest. I still think this game will be well populated with above 40K players a month.

[agile condor]

What is "good gear""?

[sonic pendant]

it's only up for a week at a time. right now, playing this game is a huge event. and that's after the 2nd playtest blew up on twitch. those numbers aren't going to hold, year over year. after a year of release, being 10-15k concurrent is going to be an achievement.

[stuck heath]

oh if we're talking years in advance then yeah. 10-15k is solid. Sometimes itll inflate with new events and such but this is a game I see myself hopping into with the boys every now and again steadily.

[somber scroll]

Throwing random unsupported numbers out is irrelevant, this game has shown massive success, probably the most successful alpha playtest of the times. Those numbers could definitely stay and grow.

Look at Tarkov for example. Huge player base over the past 5 years, inflates when it wiped, and levels out over the next months.

[lucid root]

Guys...we need a lore master for dark and darker (the best part is there's no lore)

Or is there?

[sonic pendant]

the best part is there's no lore so.... so we don't... need a lore master?

[lucid root]

I would just be amused that's all

[strange sable]

Otto lore

[pure summit]

Hard to say what the playerbase could look like. It's going to depend alot on whether they'll add any "noob-friendly" mechanics or game modes.

[sonic pendant]

hahaha yesssss. omg i want otto to turn out to be the most powerful being in the DaD universe.

[agile condor]

There once was an order of Wizards that ruled over the lands

[lucid root]

He is the dungeon master

Bow to otto

[sonic pendant]

some cut scene where the name "otto" is mentioned in front of the Ghost King, and he just kind of shivers and flees

[lucid root]

tf2 heavy meme

[sonic pendant]

@lucid root how you gonna downvote yourself getting a custom playtester skin? i thought that suggestion was infallible. i guess not lolol

[gray vessel]

I'd assume because its a stupid idea

[sonic pendant]

oof, coming in HOT🔥

[lucid root]

I don't want no special treatment! goes into old man rant about participation trophies or something

[glacial bridge]

lol

[gray vessel]

it will not help the game in any way, it will just give kids a special reward for being to the game early. Our reward is that the devs even look at our suggestions when they clearly don't need to lol

[glacial bridge]

i think we are supposed to be suggesting improvements to the game. not requesting special treatment

[lucid root]

If anything playtesters should get an account handicap because we'll be too good by official release

[sonic pendant]

#d-and-d-suggestions message#d-and-d-suggestions message strongly against the tarkov ass-stash, personally.

[lucid root]

Is an ass-stash what it sounds like?

Secret storage found, extra 5kg carry capacity 😏

[sonic pendant]

probably? lol in tarkov you have a 'secure case' where you can put items that you'll keep when you die; people have taken to referring to it as "players shoving all the good loot up their asses" which led to the common tarkov parlance of "ass-stash".

[vital swan]

Throwing this out there; If Rangers have unlimited arrows, I think spellcasters should have something similar/ranged as well

[pure summit]

Interesting, didn't know Tarkov had that. I was more thinking of the Runescape Prayer, where it would save your most valueable item when you died, but even worse than that, not a whole stash worth. - Probably would be abused somehow still though, and people wouldn't play unless they had it active or something

[gray vessel]

why does anything have to be equivalent? I think balance is the only importance. MAYBE if they get some form of cantrip, but I really don't think that's neccesary to the game design

[vital swan]

I suppose the game tempo isn't so guns ablaze to need that

[pure summit]

I'm kind of okay with "imbalance" if each Character has an "OP" point. Like if rogues suck at pvp early, but they loot and gear up faster than other classes, so they end up outgearing you in the mid-game. I just think it's lame if there are classes that are one of the best at every phase of the game, then everyone plays it, and you get no reward for playing the crappy early game class.

[lusty wren]

Tarkov also spent countless dev hours trying to prevent people from running in naked and shoving all the good loot up their a ss

Rather just keep it out of the game

[white cliff]

It sucks that extract looters have never been super popular because a lot of suggestions are just trying to make what is usually a punishing genre with insane highs and lower lows a user friendly and fun family experience.

I can’t imagine killing someone or being killed and being able to keep legendary gear.

[sonic pendant]

yea the whole risk/reward system is the best part of it.

[white cliff]

It is the entire gameplay loop.

Trying to water that down will destroy the game. Especially revolving around altering loot like that.

Can you imagine being able to insure a legendary piece of gear?

[lusty wren]

Shit take

[white cliff]

Especially the last paragraph about keeping the best things in storage and never wanting to use them, and really wanting that gear insurance.

It absolutely would incentivize you to use your best gear, because you can’t lose it!

[sonic pendant]

that said, i'd be ok with some kind of low-level starter gear leveling idea; like instead of a 17 dmg bow you can complete some kind of requirements to unlock an 18 dmg bow that you then get as your new starter bow. small time stuff though. like maybe 5-10% max improvement, just to starter gear, with a bunch of prerequisites/other requirements. or even like tarkov, where you can level your strength a bit over a long series of raids. but fail-proof insurance is for children, and doesn't belong in the genre

[white cliff]

All you need is one run really.

[lusty wren]

Tarkov only has insurance because when you have no gear you literally have no gear

DaD gives you base gear

[white cliff]

I saw lots of complaints about the early grind and getting rolled so I started a new character.

[limpid turtle]

*for the playtests

[white cliff]

And it really took maybe 5 games to get rolling.

[sonic pendant]

the early grind is the best part of all extract shooters

[white cliff]

Buying early game spell books and maces.

Unrelated; keep in mind the more you type the harder it’s going to be to respond to said novella.

[strange sable]

Btw what do scrolls do? I never got a chance to use one

[white cliff]

You sell them.

[strange sable]

Ah that sucks

[coral harbor]

This probably has been asked before but do you guys think we'll get subclasses at some point? (aka pyromancers/necromancers as mage subclasses, etc.. or like dark knight/Holy knight for the fighter.. etc etc)

[white cliff]

And not for much.

[sonic pendant]

useless. only the purple ones are worth keeping. price per slot is too low with the other rarities

[lusty wren]

They talked about making real scrolls in the future

[lucid root]

After enough successful extractions you get a special debuff called "greed sickness"

[strange sable]

Why would you keep them? What do they do

[sonic pendant]

sell

[white cliff]

I’m not sure, they’re adding all off the classes from 3E with a a trait system.

[sonic pendant]

there's talk of implementing them to grant spells or w/e later

but for now they're just another trinket

but they take up so much space that unless it's a purple scroll, 6 smaller items are worth more, like bracelets or w/e

[lucid root]

Those scrolls take up so much inventory space gah damn

[pure summit]

Posted Suggestion: "Rogue skill that deactivates every light source in a certain range."

• I definitely think Rogues needs more sneaky skills, Wizard out stealths them completely right now.

[lucid root]

Yeah rogues need some cool shit

[strange sable]

Why are you against it @lusty wren

[pure summit]

I like the idea of more disorientation stuff like smoke bomb

dirty fighting tactics

[lusty wren]

Which one? Sorry abit stoned

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[lucid root]

Peypug just putting people on the spot

[lusty wren]

I think it would never be used, and adds little value

[strange sable]

I would use it

Hide and that would be a good combo

[pure summit]

Even if it doesn't get used, I like weird stuff like that that can be used by the nuanced player

[lusty wren]

You lose SOOOOO much for it. the weakspot and the bleed is vastly superior to that. I just think itd get such little use no real reason to put it in.

Not opposed really to the ability itself though

As a rogue id use invis pots or hide and use the PVP abilities way before gimping myself for a meh ability

[lucid root]

I think perks should be less available, but more impactful if that makes sense

[pure summit]

Imagine how scary it would be to see a rogue walk in and instantly turn out all the lights

[lusty wren]

You toss one torch on the ground and problem is solved

[strange sable]

Turn out the lights and hide walk behind them

[pure summit]

Would have to unequip your weapon though, might leave an opening for the rogue

[lusty wren]

3 people one has to throw a torch which takes very little time

[pure summit]

I was more thinking solo, true about not being that good against 3

[lusty wren]

and if you dont have the weakpoint or bleed ability you are reducing your damage vastly

You gonna turn the lights out and tickle me until I crush your brain in? Cool 😄

[lusty wren]

Ya, I never think of DaD in the context of 1vx. Until there is a solo queue (if it happens) all things need to be looked at from the perspective of 3 mans

[pure summit]

It would have to have something like deal extra damage when not revealed by light or something

[lusty wren]

Ya, right now I just feel if you take anything but the PVP perks and skills on rogue you are just hitting like a wet noodle

If it had some form of dmg component under certain situations. Like the back stab perk then I think it would never be used.

But if it also added a bit of a dmg increased for non light exposed people I think itd get more use

[lucid root]

How many perks do we get to assign at once?

[lusty wren]

4?

[strange sable]

@steady cloud I really thought that was going to be your first suggestion not about money 🙁

[lucid root]

Right, we get 4 perks, but none of them feel like they change how I play or anything, I do more damage and they help me stay alive, that's about it

[lusty wren]

For a specific class or all of them?

Barb gameplay rapidly changes by being able to break doors and chests

[lucid root]

For wizard at least

That barb one sounds cool though

Need more like that

[lusty wren]

Ya I think wizard was pretty hard and fast, you took med as a noob and the speed one as a experienced player

for skills

and then the perks were pretty hard and fast too

around what spells you were using

Nothing that really changed it up to much

Not sure what kind of perks would really change the playstyle of a wiz tho

I mean you could go ignite rogue build

[lucid root]

I'm trying to think of one

[lusty wren]

I think rogue, fighter, barb, are the only ones that really have a significant gameplay change up based on perks

[strange sable]

Wizard kinda does as well

With some perks you can just run up and magic missile someone in the face

[lucid root]

The boldest of wizards

[lusty wren]

Wiz was my least played class so I could be missing some perks in my mental picture of em 😄

[pure summit]

They would have to put much more power in Wiz perks and take away power from base spells, that way you'd have to spec into certain playstyles

[strange sable]

What about a skill that allows the rogue to make a decoy of himself

[lucid root]

Maybe some synergy of perks that makes wizard more of like a speedrun looter. All survivability no offense

[solar smelt]

smokebomb should do this imo

[lusty wren]

Smokebomb would be much better if it could be thrown down a hall or some shit

[lucid root]

"You can loot chests instantly but cannot cast spells anymore"

[solar smelt]

that too

projectile like a explosive bottle when you activate it or something

[unreal canopy]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Replace Steam ID with just game username and i love it,

[pure summit]

Right now it just feels like rogue only wins fights if you're more geared, or outfight the enemy. I want to feel like I win more fights by confusing, disorienting, or sneaking up on my enemy.

[lucid root]

You mean you want rogue to do rogue things?

Don't be selfish!

[pure summit]

How dare I

Hopefully they're cooking up some stuff over there at ironmace though

[lucid root]

Probably, they geniuses

[lusty wren]

@strange sable Like a decoy that just stands there and does nothing?

[strange sable]

Yea

[lusty wren]

That could be cool put it right in front of a treasure chest

and gank whoever comes to gank the decoy

[pure summit]

Exactly, that would be some juicy rogue gameplay

[strange sable]

I think something like that would be great at making the rogue more strategical

[lusty wren]

I do agree, I think some things need to be just put into the rogues kit

Like poison

rogue should just have poison by default on hit

or make it a real consumable

instead of a perk

[pure summit]

yeah, opens up a perk for cooler stuff

[lusty wren]

Or backstab even should be innate probably a better choice for it

[lucid root]

Yall know hxh when Killua shadow steps to create mirror images? Yeah...

Rogue

[lusty wren]

Speaking another language to me

[lucid root]

neckbeard noises

[jagged thunder]

mfkz is the only cartoon i watch

add shotguns

[timid pulsar]

yall know neferpitou when cute catboy, yeah new class

[lucid root]

violently pukes

shamelessly starts eating own vomit

[timid pulsar]

bro

....

[jagged thunder]

add omniman class

[timid pulsar]

dies

they should add femboy and catboy

[lucid root]

Listen here you little shit

😂

[timid pulsar]

[strange sable]

@steady cloud why do you not like the rogue decoy idea?

[jagged thunder]

desolent has 100 bad ideas and 200 bad suggestions a day

wiz should have a decoy before rogue