suggestion-discussion

[strange sable]

Another suggestion btw: #d-and-d-suggestions message

[tired osprey]

Why were-wolf? Like not a single depiction of druids in fantasy has them being able to transform into werewolves, I know they are strong and animalistic but are they usually written as unnatural curses that druids would probably despise.

[verbal marsh]

who says their version of druid isnt cursed? : P

[hushed plover]

I'm gonna play bardcore over voip and set up campfires for strangers. Even gonna drop some ale for them to drink. Then when they're all cozy and drunk by the campfire and they least expect it im gonna pull up from behind them and bonk the soul out of them when they're locked into the animation of getting up

[tired osprey]

Then why can't other classes be a werewolf or is being a lycanthrope a sign of being shite at druid magic?

[hushed plover]

I just hope that the druid won't look like a roblox asset (in wolf form) like the hellhound in b3 does.

[strange sable]

Does anyone else not really like the idea of races being in the shop like the skeleton? It feels weird to buy a race instead of just getting all the options at the start

[tired osprey]

Look who said level 3 isn't just roblox in its purest form?

[verbal marsh]

Perhaps it is just a perk because he loves the curse and evolved it with his dark deity into a blessing.

[hushed plover]

Not me

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message: I think a knockback ability is really needed because if you get cornered it's impossible to get out

[hushed plover]

I'm gonna make a suggestion in the next 5 minutes about this. If you don't like it I'm going to bed.

[tired osprey]

Diety? Only like one kind of druid in dnd worhsips any god any every other one is basically a tree or nature worshiper.

[dense girder]

please, be respectful

[strange sable]

I think it was a joke

[verbal marsh]

I mean Llothe basically does it.

[dense girder]

That's regardless

[strange sable]

Darkrow what do you think of my suggestion #d-and-d-suggestions message

[verbal marsh]

I never play druids so I wouldn't really know how most people do.

[dense girder]

That would honestly be pretty cute

Can even give flowers to your homies

[strange sable]

Yeah I think it would be great in the game

[tired osprey]

Llothe that spider bitch only listens to the damn dark elves.

[verbal marsh]

She took the dark elves from the Silver Moon goddess she's constantly at war with her :3

[strange sable]

The suggestions are really flowing now

[verbal marsh]

Think most of Llothe's back story involves trying to become a Greater God and ursurp Selune

[hushed plover]

I lied. I'm still going to bed

[strange sable]

gn! 👋

[tired osprey]

Ok maybe if not were-wolf maybe a demon form for warlock from an old supplement called Inner-self where your body is changed to better suit your dark soul and you become a demon I think you become an imp from 3rd to 7th level and after that you become a Hellhound?

[verbal marsh]

Ok no werewolves you make a fair point

[strange sable]

@verbal marsh & @tired osprey What are you guys talking about??!

[hushed plover]

https://tenor.com/view/white-knight-horse-goodnigh-gif-12756856

[verbal marsh]

Estus druid suggestion

[strange sable]

ah

[verbal marsh]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[strange sable]

Does anyone know how editing a suggestion works?

[serene snow]

is there a reason we can't attach pictures to our suggestions?

[strange sable]

would I have copy and waste the original with my added stuff

paste*

[serene snow]

enable discord dev mode so you can copy message ids
https://discord.com/developers/docs/game-sdk/store#:~:text=Open up the Discord app,and enter your application ID

[tired osprey]

To avoid people posting troll images like porn.

[serene snow]

.edit [suggestion id] [new content] - Edits a suggestion
suggestion id is the message id

[serene snow]

share content and bug reporting both allow attachments

[tired osprey]

Context, what are people more likely to troll?

[serene snow]

actually the suggestion id is at the bottom of the suggestion. ignore the message id stuff i said

@strange sable ^

[strange sable]

Thanks 👍

[verbal marsh]

I dont use dev mode and I'm able to copy them so wdym

[serene snow]

i assumed the suggestion id was the message id

[verbal marsh]

I would probably have your shapechanges be a skill press rather then a multi option.

I think that would limit it down a bit more for tactics

If you did that you'd have maybe 2 shapechange options, your spell options, and maybe one for a weapon?

[tired osprey]

Not saying it is a bad idea but I don't remember them able to achieve it through wild shape. Perhaps to give the druid some variety and to be fair to the devs 3 forms. Spider a reskin of the mummy spiders which has either a clean sheen or hairy tarantula look which do small damage, venom and can climb walls & ceiling , also doesn't get attacked by other spiders. Wolf/hound form fast and agile can attack quickly and has the ability to track enemy player footprints. Komodo slow and armoured and can be mounted by a friendly player as a steed. An ability that most fantasy games forget.

[verbal marsh]

I think most classes last playtest had roughly 3-5 skill options

Wizard had lets see: Quickcast, meditate, two spell slots, so 4.

[tired osprey]

Only 4 skills for wizard.

[serene snow]

https://rankedboost.com/dark-and-darker/best-class-tier-list/

S Spell Memory 2
A Intense Focus
A Spell Memory```

[verbal marsh]

So druid would probably be, spider mummy, wolf, two spell slots then if were to use your shapechange idea

Did the dev qna hint at a companion like ai?

If they did companions I would imagine it'd be like pokemon.

[lusty wren]

I believe this discord is a community discord which already has AI ensure no one posts porn

[verbal marsh]

Like a cast - summon - creature perspective - maximum wander range - q ability - e unsummon - creature lmb

[strange sable]

@lusty wren Thoughts on my insane suggestion: #d-and-d-suggestions message

[lusty wren]

I upvoted it a bit ago

Think it makes alot of sense

I wouldnt mind seeing some growing thru cracks in the crypt as well

A bit iffy on eating them

The heal would have to be very small

[strange sable]

True

And it shouldn't be an instant heal because then people could heal super fast

more like a potion

[lusty wren]

In order to balance it though it has to be less then the shittiest potion which is what 5hp? 😄

so is a 2hp or 3 hp heal even worth it?

[strange sable]

yeah

[lusty wren]

Ah that may be bandage whats the grey heal pot? I cant remember

[strange sable]

I think it's atleast a cool concept to explore, I like the idea of a chance you eat a poisonous flower

[white cliff]

Gray bandage is 8.

[lusty wren]

ya and a pot is?

but with that said it has to be at least worse then 8

So like 4?

I mainly like the crafting idea, but if eating them is lower then the worst healing im fine with it

[strange sable]

I also like this suggestion: #d-and-d-suggestions message

[lusty wren]

I really would like to see the trolls in the suggestions timed out for a few days and banned if they continue!

[strange sable]

I think expanding crafting will make the game really cool

[lusty wren]

I think this is the only expansion of gold inventory I like.

[strange sable]

Yeah same

Someone else did a suggestion about more expensive gold bags but I didn't like it

Seems like a boring solution

[lusty wren]

agreed

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

A lot of people seem to like this

[lusty wren]

Alot of people just want more inventory and will vote on anything that adds it

[strange sable]

But why would the price double but the storage gets multiplied by 5 it makes no sense

No point in buying the lower tier pouches at that point

[lusty wren]

agreed, its a poorly thought out mechanic. People are just latching on to it because it says MORE GOLD 😄

[strange sable]

Yeah

[lusty wren]

The crafted chest is superior in every way

Takes in raid items to make is the key

[strange sable]

Is ruby gear even worth it right now

It takes so much rubies and it doesn't even seem that good

[lusty wren]

Its ok, but not anything super special

Id like to see the in raid crafting stuff used for much more stuff. Like this chest

I am a huge fan of being rewarded for going into a raid and getting specific items to progress

Progression can be inventory space via bags, this chest. Etc

[strange sable]

Yeah me too

[lusty wren]

I also oppose arachnophobia mode in all forms 😄

[strange sable]

I also think bosses should drop more unique stuff than they do right now

I made a suggestion a while ago about them potentially dropping back packs but people thought back packs should be more common than that

[lusty wren]

I would like to see UNIQUE items be special NAMED gear with special art. That only drops from bosses (Which I believe is sorta the plan)

[lusty wren]

Ya, i would like to see bags purchasable after a quest, OR craftable after a quest

[strange sable]

Yeahhh me too

[lusty wren]

I think bags sololy being on boss drops is a bit much

But maybe a quest to kill a boss

then you get the ability to craft them?

[strange sable]

Doesn't seem hard to just make a pool of names that can be randomly given to them

[lusty wren]

With linen and shit found in raid

[strange sable]

That seems like a lot better, having to kill a boss everytime you want a backpack is a bet excessive

[lusty wren]

agreed

This change makes it alot more dynamic gives a greater reward for killing that boss for the quest

Could have some cool quests

Kill minotour for big bag craft with speed reduction
Kill Goblin King for a smaller bag with less speed reduction
Kill Ghost King for HUGE bag craft with more speed reduction

Something like that

Shit I guess with this system though is there even a need for a speed reduction?

I think it being a quest and a craft may take away that need

Could just go in tiers

Kill wraith, get a small bag craft,

Kill skeleeton shield boi for a bigger one,

Minotaur for a bigger one,

So on so on

[strange sable]

Hmmm

[lusty wren]

I think a bag system overall means inventory needs to be smaller at default though

[strange sable]

I don't love the idea of speed reduction since the game is already pretty slow but there needs a way for backpacks to not be too op

Like backpacks should be pretty hard to craft

So you can't have one every run

[lusty wren]

Ya, id say linen and or whatever is used should be on the rarer side

maybe even a multi resource combination

So you need some of those flowers you were talking about and some linen

[strange sable]

Should something like that be harvested or just found in chests?

[spice pawn]

durability/limited use backpacks or even material requirements to repair them

[lusty wren]

Id prefer the flowers be harvested but could see linen being drops off mobs and chests

[strange sable]

Yeah I think that would make it more complex so you can't just stock up on one resource

[strange sable]

I don't like the idea of durability

If you don't die with it you shouldn't lose it

[lusty wren]

So then you have 2 components that are gathered in different ways breaking up the monotony

I do not think flowers should be forest only. Maybe MORE harvest spots for em, but I think having them grow thru some cracks in the crypt would be sick too. Then none in inferno because they cant grow there

[strange sable]

Yeah

But I like the idea of the different levels having different resources

And the third floor resources are for super strong things

[lusty wren]

maybe different types of flower?

So you got basic bitch flowers up top

[strange sable]

Yeah

[lusty wren]

then better ones in the crypt for green pots instead of white

naturally being less abundant in the crypt also

[strange sable]

Third floor could have a infernal rose or something

[lusty wren]

Ya i like that

<@&988703997378584596> Can we time out troll suggestions? They are soooo blatant they are devaluing the system 😄

[woeful lava]

cars and robots would be really cool tho

[strange sable]

True

Lets also add space ships

[woeful lava]

OMG YES

[spice pawn]

fantasy-washed versions would be animal-drawn wagons and/or dwarven golem (and/or Artificer magitech stuff)

[strange sable]

How about we just turn this game into a star wars squadrons clone

[spice pawn]

zerg overlords. top-tier druid shapeshifters can ferry their party members around

[woeful lava]

can we make it open world also

[strange sable]

But 2D and a battle royal

[spice pawn]

a single-player Skyrim game with DnD's combat style/pacing?

[keen saddle]

I'm curious since my suggestion for enchanting items to keep them got downvoted so badly, what would be the pushback against keeping any gear? To me it just feels like when you have a very extensive loot system similar to Diablo/WoW, in a game that has good potential for more PvE (deeper dungeon levels/bosses etc.), it ends up being mostly a waste if you lose it all. Especially because of how easy it is to die even at level cap.

Perhaps the issue could be solved with more PvE focused servers that allow keeping a couple pieces that you're wearing but nothing else.

[spice pawn]

eh don't take it personally. keep in mind that if Wizard invisibility spell didn't exist, it would've gotten down-voted to oblivion if it had been suggested

[strange sable]

If you die you deserve to lose it

A wise man once said you don't own the gear, it is just your turn to use it

[spice pawn]

BR circle would also be down-voted to oblivion if it wasn't already a part of the playtest

[keen saddle]

I mean maybe I just need to git gud, but I would be pretty shocked if most players don't die at least once every 5 rounds.

[strange sable]

You need to be smart about what gear you take in

[keen saddle]

Yea, I'm just saying I don't really see the point of using a Diablo style extensive loot system in that case. Like if you're smart about what you take in, that just means not using your loot. And how legendary is legendary loot if you only get to use it for a few rounds?

[strange sable]

It was legendary for the rounds you used it on, now it is another person's turn to be legendary

[keen saddle]

But as I've mentioned, I guess it depends on how you view the game. Whether it's potential for a great PvP experience, or PvE with a bit of PvP

[lusty wren]

Keeping an item after death changes the game entirely. Risk is everything there can be no good reward without risk

[keen saddle]

But I like the other suggestion as well, the option to upgrade your loadout with small upgrades

[keen saddle]

I'm not saying keep everything though, you still risk a lot if you die. I've played a lot of hardcore games, the only difference is you can reasonably expect not to die (at least not that often) in most other hardcore games if you play them really well.

Or even somewhat well, with a bit of planning

[lusty wren]

You can expect not to die if you play this one very well also. I dont see a difference

Also weapons are the most important piece of gear in this game. People would only enchant weapons and they would not be punished for playing poorly with them. I dislike this

This game already gives you base gear, which is more than most extractors give you

[strange sable]

@jaunty apex You downvoted my suggestion

[keen saddle]

Personally I would like to have (PvE?) servers where you keep everything you're wearing, and you can't equip new armor/weapons during the run. Then you lose everything you have in inventory when you die. This would allow me to experience the loot system in a similar way as it appears to mimicking on the surface from other games. It could also allow for cool progression with PvE (deeper dungeon levels, heroic dungeons? harder bosses = need better loot to kill but drop best loot)

Right now it feels like a lot of different things from different games being put together, but with the Escape from Tarkov PvP style being it's inextricable gameplay mode.

[strange sable]

🤢 🤮

People would just grind PVE for free loot and then use it in PVP

[keen saddle]

Well I'm thinking WoW style, like your char exists on that server only

[lusty wren]

This game is a indie dev studio. That is just to much work for them. So many other games do PVE better there is no reason for them to try to match that when their focus is on pvpve

[rotund sundial]

What's with these troll suggestions
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[strange sable]

That's a good suggestion?

[lusty wren]

Coming from the troll himself not saying much

[rotund sundial]

I take that insult personally

[foggy shadow]

Spiders are vewwy scaywee

[lusty wren]

You can take a factual comment anyway you want. O/ good day

[rotund sundial]

why did you include the nazi salute in your reply?

really makes you think... some people

[strange sable]

That's a wave?

[lusty wren]

Best to not feed the troll

[rotund sundial]

it's a dogwhistle that neonazis use

I don't know what you find so funny. I'm Jewish and I feel attacked

[strange sable]

@normal plinth What are your opinions on this? Why downvote? #d-and-d-suggestions message

<@&988703997378584596> @rotund sundial Is trolling in here

[rotund sundial]

what's your problem dude/dudette

[blazing vapor]

@rotund sundial Don't bait please.

[woeful helm]

Do not post links

[white cliff]

@steady cloud Why are all of your suggestions based on paid subscriptions. Like weapon effects like they have in dnd 3e like flaming and ice sword seems cool, then you tack $9.99 and permanent and it just ruins it.

[strange sable]

#d-and-d-suggestions message This seems like a cool cure spell for cleric but could get very op if it is not limited

Maybe limit it to 1 mob ally at a time and you can't ally mini bosses like the skeleton champion or wraith

[shadow scaffold]

Some people believe a transaction based even subscription based model benefits the game - keeps more serious people in and gets more money for development

[strange sable]

I hate subscription games so much. I don't even like gamepass because when my subscription is over I no longer own the game

@wintry forge That is way too many portals because at least half the players are gone at the end of the game, and doesn't the game already have a random amount of portals spawn?

[lusty wren]

This fits a MMORPG much better. Not sure it fits in a extraction game

[shadow scaffold]

Well, in a game like DND where there is no pve option (unfortunately!) You can only play while ironmace hosts servers, so you can stretch that argument out to do you even own the games in your steam wallet etc

[lusty wren]

B2P with B2P expansions or dlc makes much more sense

[wintry forge]

Not from what I've read. I think there's a set number of portals that spawn at specific times, unless the information I read is outdated.

[eager creek]

Just make cosmetics. Keeps everyone happy.

[agile condor]

I'm not sure his portal change requests are serious, he's only ever played Solo & never went to inferno yet wants to change where portals spawn, how they work, let them move around, avoid camping of portals, randomize the amount that spawn and some other odd suggestions. If these are serious requests hopefully he can just play more next playtest to have suggestions that make more sense next time.

[eager creek]

Suspense and mrbeanz are my favorite posters

I get a chuckle out of each one.

[agile condor]

/s

[lucid root]

Just nothing over the top

[agile condor]

Didn't even notice he made basically the same suggestion again, he's already suggested this and was surprised noone liked it lol

[eager creek]

Yea, anything that breaks immersion would be lame

Tons of historical garbs they can make though, especially if they are making more dungeons like in egypt

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[eager creek]

I just read it. Make spawns equal to half of the player count lolwut

What's the point in extracting if it's easy xD

[lucid root]

Extraction portal in spawn that leaves after 10 seconds, if you fuck up your load out or something

[agile condor]

Don't turn on us Borg, stay the course.

[lucid root]

It's not that bad of an idea, you can't even loot anything

[sonic pendant]

no forgiveness. no surrender.

[lucid root]

Lol

[wintry forge]

This is a different take on my previous suggestion.

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message lol "Have the ability to be completely screwed if you don't bring lockpicks"

[strange sable]

This would be horrible right now with the current lockpick spawn rates

[eager creek]

The one time I forgot was really exciting. I ended up dieing but it still was fun

Highs and lows are what keep games engaging. Fucking up like that is something you'll remember longer than 1v9ing each lobby.

[agile condor]

There are certain metal doors that are already locked and while I like the idea in theory of some being randomly locked, lockpicks are too hard to find and break on successful or unsuccessful use. You could literally spawn in a hallway with both sides "randomly" locked and you're just screwed. If we're talking just in the middle, and the circle moves into an area only accessible with a lockpick, kinda still screwed - idk there is already a couple doors that are sometimes locked, some of which do block passage, but you learn which ones those are and plan accordingly

[strange sable]

I once accidentally brought a purple spell book that was worth 500g+ and just hide the whole game until I could get out lol

[eager creek]

I bet the gear fear was eating you alive that whole time lol

[lucid root]

I put spell memory on the other side and didn't switch my spells over, so I was just a melee wizard for a match

[strange sable]

Almost had a heart attack when I saw it in my inventory lmao

[agile condor]

I think this game format is much better at alleviating gear fear than Tarkov, honestly it's probably good to get over it and just bring some good stuff always

[tribal cradle]

I sold my purple ring instead of the gem ring and didn't notice

[eager creek]

I do gotta ask, you're trolling in some of your suggestions right? @wintry forge

[lucid root]

Nah he's not

[agile condor]

I don't think suspense is an actual troll like Darker & Beanz, though many of his suggestions are "troll" like.

[eager creek]

Hmm

[agile condor]

I just really believe he didn't experience enough of the game lol

[wintry forge]

This gives players more reason to bring lockpicks, and makes the Rogue lockpicking more useful (lockpicking is a Rogue perk, right?)

[agile condor]

and the dude has like 80 suggestions lol

[lucid root]

He's just very enthusiastic about the game

[eager creek]

I think most people would see those ratios and would understand where they are going wrong lol

[agile condor]

eventually you run outa good stuff and we're left with the crap

[strange sable]

Lock picks are so rare though lmao, I would bring one if I ever had one lmao

[wintry forge]

Why would you go into a dungeon to loot if you thought only a few people would make it out alive? What if everyone else takes the portals? This would also make the game friendlier for noobs.

[eager creek]

Rouges don't even bring the lockpick skill 💀💀💀

[eager creek]

The game shouldn't be catered to noobs.

[wintry forge]

It's just a suggestion. If you think it would be a good addition, just vote it up, because the devs will balance everything later on (like increasing lockpick spawn rate).

[lucid root]

Imagine if you could lock doors, it'd be pointless though since you can break doors

[strange sable]

Can only barbs break doors?

[eager creek]

Mage fireball too

I think 🤔

[agile condor]

One thing I learned at the end of the playtest was the Fireball can destroy chests and the loot drops on the ground. There are also some hidden areas behind chests that I previously assumed were only accessible if the chest was a mimic

[wintry forge]

Okay. I asked in q-and-a and someone told me only some of the cell doors are locked.

[lucid root]

One of my words was not allowed and I'm not sure which one

[eager creek]

No idea it got deleted fast

[lucid root]

Yeah it was that one

[agile condor]

which one? 🙂

[lucid root]

Explode

[eager creek]

👀

[lucid root]

A synonym for explode

[eager creek]

You can't say explode?

[lucid root]

Lol

[eager creek]

Haha

[agile condor]

SHIT

[eager creek]

Blowup

[agile condor]

that's allowed but ... wow... lol

[lucid root]

It's just bl0w nvm

[wintry forge]

I've got plenty of up voted suggestions. If you look through my suggestions I have around 12 green suggestions, and probably due to a Discord glitch, some of my blue suggestions should be green but the stats didn't get calculated.

[eager creek]

What a weird banned word.

[sacred hill]

12 out of 150

[eager creek]

What's your ratio? I think I upvote you once. But most seem 🤔 questionable

[wintry forge]

I'm trying to make lockpicking more useful. Give Rogues a reason to use the skill.

[agile condor]

Most rogues I know always bring lockpicking

it's required in most groups

[eager creek]

Blocking main passageways would be so frustrating.

[strange sable]

That skill is already op for rogues

[next wing]

its just not a good idea with the spawnrate of them. also getting locked out of circle because you didn't bring lockpicks isn't gonna be fun

[eager creek]

If you said, create more rooms where lock 🔐 pick is more useful, sure, that's fine.

[wintry forge]

Can you break metal doors? I assume metal doors can't be broken, and that's why I only suggested to have metal doors lock.

[lucid root]

Are there metal doors?

[eager creek]

You cannot

[sacred hill]

lockpicks make sense only for special/secret rooms

[lucid root]

I know there's the stone doors in hell

[eager creek]

For golden key rooms and a few loot rooms

Very rare.

[agile condor]

yes lol

The metal gates around the prison, one of them is even locked sometimes blocking a pathway

[lucid root]

I know it's a game design thing, who fumbles with a door knob for 10 seconds just to open it 🤔

What could I possibly be doing to that door

[agile condor]

Clerics 🙂

Your hands are old

[lucid root]

Oh yeah I forgot the jail cells and stuff

[agile condor]

There you go, fixed for you in the Q-and-A and even the person that said that agreed with my comment lol

[mossy ruin]

Idk, lockpicking is like so useless in normal imo. And in high roller, it is usable, but you arent really missing much. There is more than enough loot everywhere else in my experience.

[lusty wren]

adding more locked doors only creates frustration points

nothing else

0 gain

Locking loot rooms is one thing, but locking main pathway doors is just silly

[mossy ruin]

Now... if it allowed silent opening at time cost by holding shift while opening a door or chest AS WELL as its use atm, OMG

[lucid root]

Time to farm some downvotes

[mossy ruin]

True

its cool though

[lusty wren]

I cannot think of a single pro for locking main pathway doors

[strange sable]

Have the devs talked about how they want to expand crafting?

Is the ruby ore the only thing you can craft with atm

[lucid root]

I hope it doesn't get too ridiculous

[lusty wren]

Yes

[lusty wren]

Just that they want to 😄

[lucid root]

Once you can craft specific stats I'm out 👋

[wintry forge]

So, I counted up my suggestions (only the game-related ones), and I have 12 up voted and 71 down voted. But lots of my down voted suggestions are retakes on my suggestions or others suggestions that I saw were getting down voted. Also, I should have more up voted suggestions because some of mine got down voted, but others made the same suggestions and got up voted. I'm also new to Discord and just learned how to sort by user to see only my suggestions, and I might've forgotten that I'd already suggested some of them. But I've been tweaking some of mine that got down voted to see if small changes would get it up voted. Also, the majority of the suggestions are getting down voted.

[lucid root]

You said before that you only care what the devs think about your suggestions

[strange sable]

71

[lucid root]

You are 17% agreeable

[lusty wren]

I think maybe taking a bit more time to explain your suggestions thoroughly and to think through them instead of machine gunning them out there youd get better results.

[lucid root]

Wait hang on that's wrong

Can't math

[lusty wren]

14.4%

[lucid root]

14% agreeable 😏

Now we're mathing

[lusty wren]

lol

Its close to being rounded up to 15 though. Its 14.457% 😄

[wintry forge]

Mainly, because they're the only ones who can put any ideas into the game.

[white cliff]

@lucid root The reason there’s no portals is the same reason you’re not allowed to leave the tavern though.

It’s because you could pre check gear.

And leave unfavorable matchups.

[strange sable]

who is they?

[white cliff]

How many of those suggestions are add voip, or add skins and races though?

Discount those ones too.

[mossy ruin]

He is referring to the DEVS

[lucid root]

Im carried by a few good suggestions then I just decide to farm downvotes sometimes

[glacial sphinx]

71 suggestions for a single person is pretty annoying and antisocial honestly, there are so many people on this discord if they all spammed even close to that the suggestion channel would be useless, and it already is borderline unreadable at this point. I'd try to save up all your ideas for a week and then maybe post the best 2 or 3. @wintry forge

[mossy ruin]

To those saying no to the silent interaction, would you mind giving me your opinions as to why?

[white cliff]

I mean discussing suggestions is the opposite of antisocial. It quite literally is social interaction. But I think besides posting suggestions, giving a description on why it should be added to the game is super helpful for discussion.

[glacial sphinx]

Discussing them isn't the same as posting them, hogging up devs time for your 71 suggestions is the antisocial part

[white cliff]

I mean if you’re thinking the devs are reading every suggestion you’re in for a rude awakening.

[white hinge]

Yes let’s only post best ideas please

[mossy ruin]

Moments after last post ^

[white cliff]

Discussing what we don’t want in the game is just as valuable as what we want.

[lucid root]

I don't want sbmm 👀

[lusty wren]

I think the votes on this subject speak for itself

[white cliff]

Votes, several times over.

[lucid root]

I'm just preemptively saying that for the next one comes up in suggestions in 10 minutes

[white cliff]

On multiple different posts.

[strange sable]

I think it it's a good idea but should be a separate perk. That perk is already op

[white cliff]

@mossy ruin First suggestion I haven’t disagreed with in a while.

[lusty wren]

I think rogue is very perk dependent and atm its hard to take anything that is not directly related to PVP

[rose sandal]

Suggestions are for everyone. If you have an idea. Post it, it is open for any and everyone. No matter how many ideas you have. I suggest all of you get to changing to a different topic please, because this is turning into a form of cyber bullying. If suspense wants to post ideas/suggestions. He has all the rights to. No matter how many there are to post.

[mossy ruin]

Gotcha, I find base lockpicking lackluster, but i played a lot of solo Rogue. Ty

[white cliff]

I’ve always said there shouldn’t be restrictions on who can make suggestions. But there’s equal discussion for suggestions that would destroy the game.

Expecting agreeability on every post seems a bit unrealistic.

[lucid root]

I can see silently opening doors being pretty good, chests you'll be opening when nobodies around anyway. I'm assuming the perk wouldn't work on breakables like pots and barrels?

[lusty wren]

What about clear troll suggestions? Like "add new class : the painter
it attack with a toothbrush"

OR
"add new stuff to the game"
OR
"Add Unicorns as a mount, so you can fly and clip through the walls while shooting rainbows "

or "PLEASE enable mouse-only controls for those of us who do not use keyboards. THANKS"

😄

[lucid root]

Breaking a pot is like saying "here I am, come kill me"

[mossy ruin]

nah, thatd be weird, rogues just cant mess with that stuff as is, i like it that way, pots and boxes are SMASH weird to interact with imo

[rose sandal]

Absolutely, but when it came down to, doing the math of a persons down vote and suggesting he compile them all together because post back to back is annoying and antisocial. That’s where the problem is now.

[white cliff]

Oh absolutely, I disagree with their suggestions but not with them making them.

[glacial sphinx]

Silently opening doors fits rogues, and would be useful, but I dnno if it'd make the game more enjoyable.

[rose sandal]

If wardens deem it as a troll, we deal with it.

[lusty wren]

Maybe some of those should be looked at 😉 they are pretty recent

[white cliff]

What they mean to say is they don’t go through the channel, everyone is allowed to type suggestions as long as they don’t break rules.

[lucid root]

I think rogue needs more utility like that

[white cliff]

I’ve never seen troll suggestions removed.

[white hinge]

Thank you sir

[lusty wren]

But very rarely would people use it, because right now if you dont take the pvp perks you are really gimping yourself

[white cliff]

Because it’s semantical.

What defines a troll.

If someone likes overwatch and wants overwatch ults is it a troll post?

Probably not.

[lusty wren]

" add Unicorns as a mount, so you can fly and clip through the walls while shooting rainbows "

No way this is an honest suggestion

its clearly a troll

[mossy ruin]

Rogue putting bombs in pots or barrels LOL barb comes over to smash, booom

[rose sandal]

And that is for a warden to decide and deal with.

[lucid root]

Ooh I like that, sabotage chests, I mean you can already close chests, make it look unopened

[lusty wren]

Do you not agree that is a troll suggestion? Can you even argue its a honest request? to clip thru walls? and shoot rainbows?

[white cliff]

I mean to say they’re being removed is a bit hard to believe.

[mossy ruin]

True, might be more a ranger or all class thing, like an item

[white cliff]

Since it’s semantical.

[lusty wren]

Hard to believe because that suggestion is still there 😄

[white cliff]

Obviously anything that breaks rules is automatically removed.

[lusty wren]

If they were removing troll suggestions itd be first to go

[white cliff]

And clearly you can’t comb through every channel that’s unrealistic. You depend on player pings.

[lusty wren]

Got pretty good coverage in general chat. Its pretty easy to keep up on The suggestion channel with so many wardens

[mossy ruin]

Nothings perfect, they will deal with the issues when they can. Might miss some or disagree that its 'troll'

[rose sandal]

I’m not arguing with anything, only thing you all need to know, is that wardens and above are here to deal with trolls. Leave it to them. Do not take to chats and harass/bully other because you THINK there suggestion is a troll

[lucid root]

Plant a 'mimic seed' in the chest, turns into a mimic

[white cliff]

Like we all understand, we just know nothings being done because suggestions are opinions.

[mossy ruin]

heh

[white cliff]

Nobody’s arguing…

[mossy ruin]

i kinda like, annoying, but sounds griefy. and almost useless but funny

[glacial sphinx]

I mean the suggestion channel is also for players to vote and discuss right? That's why the option is there. If its full of fluff like the unicorn thing, and people trying to vote on real suggestions are giving feedback that they'd like that stuff toned down then I think it's worth looking at.

[rose sandal]

He states “can you even argue it’s a honest request” I was responding to him

[lucid root]

Curved swords...

[jagged thunder]

more weapons

[strange sable]

like?

[white cliff]

Fair statement and on my original point. They’re semantical suggestions, how would you even define them as such. And the answer is as long as you’re not breaking rules they’re not being removed.

[mossy ruin]

we all know they coming, the weapons surely are

[lucid root]

I'm not ready for the madness they have in store

[sacred hill]

they will add the helicopters chill

[lucid root]

Change wizards invisibility. New ability is "dissappearo!" You aren't actually invisible but the wizard takes his clothes off and runs around naked

[opal sparrow]

What about the among us vents?

[lucid root]

Nobody?

[sacred hill]

thats too unrealistic

[lusty wren]

Ya this is a non issue for me I demean suggestions not the suggester 😄 thanks for the response though

[wintry forge]

I think the class suggestions should be based closely on Dungeons & Dragons, since that is the reference the devs are using. I expect that anything straying too far from Dungeons & Dragons will not be put into the game.

[sacred hill]

what you think about the helicopter?

[opal sparrow]

Cant see sarcasm?

[lucid root]

I do it everyday

[opal sparrow]

Wait you are serious?

[wintry forge]

Even if that is in Dungeons & Dragons (I haven't played it), I think helicopters are too modern, and how would you even use that in a dungeon?

[lucid root]

I see nobody laughed at my immature helicopter joke

[sacred hill]

i did silently

[wintry forge]

I figured the suggestion was a joke, but I wanted to give a good reason why it shouldn't be in the game.

[jagged thunder]

Kusari-gamas, Kamas, whips, scimtars, light flails, tridents, quarterstaffs, slings, javelins, shurikens

i suggested two ended weapons like
Orc Double Axe, Dire Flails, Two-Bladed Swords, Spiked Chains, and Glaives already it had good reviews

[quiet orbit]

Sorry wasn’t watching chat at all. I think making more general use or “upgrade” type items crafted from ruby will get more people harvesting ruby which will inject more ruby into player inventories. The Ruby Gold-Coin chest does technically slightly buff gold storage but will also get more people mining ruby.

Imagine killing a player who decided to bring a Ruby cheat into raid to maximize gold extraction just to die from greed. What a fun moment for a player.

The gold chest itself would be slightly annoying to use as a draw back. You would have to alt click to drag 10 gold out at a time or drag it over a coin purse to fill the coin purse.

Anyways thanks for the support on the idea.

[strange sable]

All sound like fighter weapons

[jagged thunder]

acid, holy water, thunderstone, repeating crossbow?

nets?

blowguns

[strange sable]

Anyone else think bows act more like guns than bows

[sacred hill]

No

[lusty wren]

I dont see it

[sacred hill]

more like a shotguns

[strange sable]

They have barely any drop

[lusty wren]

But on the weapon suggestions i think they need to have very few consistent ranged options. Otherwise the game becomes ranged standoffs everywhere

[jagged thunder]

they dropped well enough for me

[lusty wren]

They have drop but we dont have very many places to see it at its max

But I think when you are firing across certain rooms its alot more evident

[jagged thunder]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Orc Double Axe, Dire Flails, Two-Bladed Swords, Spiked Chains, and Glaives

[agile condor]

meanwhile "pause the servers for 2 minutes every half hour to remember all players to stretch so they avoid straining their muscles"

[jagged thunder]

arent the matches like 10 mins?

[agile condor]

Generally, you can go lower though probably like 20 min for a full run?

[jagged thunder]

i forgot downportals

[strange sable]

I would loove something like this #d-and-d-suggestions message

Like a arena to battle and you have to pay a 50g fee, winner gets the fees

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message you're correct but there is also the possibility that you get backstabbed... even if you group up to kill the boss (for starters that sounds chaotic) but then a great item drops and you see them take it... lol

[agile condor]

Don't know if it needs a fee or incentive, but dueling could be cool

[quiet orbit]

remember the house always wins, You wouldnt get all the winnings. like maybe 85 gold

[fickle gorge]

Why are suggestions closed?

[strange sable]

They aren't

[fickle gorge]

#1048762118255673428 message

?

odd

[strange sable]

I think that was info on different commands

And I think the page closed

[fickle gorge]

Makes sense!

[strange sable]

mods deleted my test suggestion

[fickle gorge]

lmao gitrekt

[pulsar sierra]

If they do make an arena, it should be multiple players and full drop so only whatever fits in the winning players inventory survives

Extra gear sinks are great for games like this

[agile condor]

Yet this survives, #d-and-d-suggestions message - mods obviously just hate you, clear as day 😛

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @quiet orbit interesting idea - I do wish the trap perk had more usefulness

[strange sable]

I don't see any reason in disabling floor traps though

[quiet orbit]

the rogue class has a perk similar to this that allows them to spot all traps including ranger traps and the ability to disable all traps with the lockpick mini game

There is certain areas with extremely difficult Floor trap areas such as the Center Loot Chest area on Maze has 4 chests protected by double floor traps

most people havent even been there because they see a double floor trap and turn around

Tactically speaking knowing a specific floor trap is disabled could be useful in a fight

[strange sable]

True I went and upvoted it

Doesn't seem too useful but it could be good for those certain situation

[quiet orbit]

think of it as a way to prevent that ranger from rolling with Spear or Kinesia when you bump into him in the dungeon

[tender magnet]

Nope

Oops, that was far back

Forgot to scroll

[tender magnet]

Yeah there wasn't too much perk option for ranger that was exciting, I would always try to have a spear to use the perk, but otherwise?
yikes

I still tried trap expert, and to make it work, but it didn't seem like it made it that much faster either

[quiet orbit]

it barely affects install time in my opinion

[tender magnet]

Yeah, maybe like 30% faster at most it seemed

which like...

doesn't make them that more useful

I wasn't around for the first or second playtest, but I saw that earlier playtest had people do the lockpick minigame to escape traps, maybe make trap expert bring that back

or it's own, slightly easier minigame, cause that skill check does be goin pretty fast

[quiet orbit]

I have 1 additonal suggestion to alternatively buff the perk but I have to wait 3 minutes

80-90% quieter Trap installation along with install speed buff

[tender magnet]

Yeah, but keep the install speed the 30% or whatever it is now

then I could see that bein pretty nice

or make the sound range smaller and slightly quieter

If I'm on the other side of a door, I want to have a chance of knowing it's there

Nice

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message probably my favorite suggestion for trap expect, not overpowered at all but more fun & more impactful

I don't trap too much cause I know they'll hear it and it just stalemates the fight

[agile condor]

Don't see this working too well since the maps go so fast you're not usually looking behind another group, so spending purpose and time in retrapping them might not do much
#d-and-d-suggestions message

#d-and-d-suggestions message I'd like piercing arrows as well 😄

[opaque slate]

#d-and-d-suggestions message rethinking my suggestion now, this would be OP (horrible to other players) without limits and having 3 people run it, but it would be hilarious for the squad

just like put it on a limited use, long cd wtv bro

[agile condor]

Won't be OP if the player can see/observe it and avoid it - that way players need to stay alert and learn what to look for

just like a hunter trap

[strange sable]

btw thoughts on this? #d-and-d-suggestions message

[opaque slate]

i just thought that being able to influence the environment and map would be cool, but the voters certainly dont agree 😦

it seems that being observant isnt to be done

[agile condor]

I agree with the concept just not the rigging of chests, doors maybe? There may be other ways to implement this concept though

[opaque slate]

i mean whats wrong with trapping chests

[strange sable]

@opaque slate I don't love the idea because it doesn't really benefit the player and just makes it more annoying for others

[opaque slate]

trapping chests doesnt necessarily mean doing damage to the guy who opens the trapped chest, could be like an alarm and shows the location

[ebon delta]

I would like all classes to have little something outside dungeon rather then only bards

[strange sable]

Got any ideas for other classes?

[ebon delta]

Ideas - yes. Good ones - probably not

[strange sable]

Lol alright what do you have

[ebon delta]

Well wizards could maybe craft spell scrolls: spend money on materials, some irl time making them, then either sell them via trade or take with you in dung. Clerics could do the same with bandages, surgical kits, heal pots. Rogues could make poisons(rather then having perk for it) with diff effects that applies to weapon and work like temp buff, ranger maybe can "hunt" for materials to all other classes. Fighter maybe could repair weapons and armor for free(since merchants already have repair as a service option). And i don't know what to do about barbs in this tbh. That was my general idea of how it could be done, but i myself kinda didn't like it so i threw it away and never thought about it again

[tender magnet]

Seems niche

I would love to see some of those features however

[strange sable]

I don't like the idea of crafting and harvesting being locked to certain classes

And I also don't like taking irl time to craft stuff

[ebon delta]

I thought that without that nothing would stop people from just buying materials, crafting hing, selling thing, repeating the process

[strange sable]

Materials should not be sold

[ebon delta]

And yes, i also didn't like that idea but wasn't in the mood to keep developing it into something that i would like

[tender magnet]

Kinda like having your crafted items not be found in raid

[ebon delta]

I have plenty ideas, most of them are bad or even worse even from my perspective so i keeping them for myself)

[hollow sentinel]

commendable

[strange sable]

Instead of locking the items behind classes you could just make it so specific classes craft items more efficiently

[wintry forge]

I like the idea of trapping chests and doors. I don't like the mimic tell part, because that would be too easy to see and avoid.

[opaque slate]

i prefer it to be avoidable

and maybe based on the players skill/experience

like knowing a player is a disguised spy in tf2, its gamesense

[lucid root]

Sounds like something a spy would say

[ebon delta]

this rogue @opaque slate is not ours!

[tender magnet]

No no, he's right

[opaque slate]

guys im playing scout

[tender magnet]

It's gotta be avoidable in some way

and everything avoidable is based on skill/exp

[opaque slate]

it goes the same way as the normal traps in the map too, not paying attention? bam. punished for it

[lucid root]

We need more traps, pitfalls...giant boulders...demon arms breaking out of the floor dragging you to hell

How about rare encounter npcs in the dungeon, loot goblin was my first idea

Surgeon rare encounter and you can buy bandages

Then they leave after 1 player encounter, so it's like a single use thing

But the sell function is disabled just for dungeon encounters so you can't run like 2 full inventories

[unreal canopy]

Some more environmental dangers might be nice, especially if it's something you can lure people into

[lucid root]

You know what would make so many people upset

Random giant spiders on the ceilings

Imagine taking your torch out and seeing that

[unreal canopy]

I hate spiders

[opaque slate]

yeah 😦

[lucid root]

And you can hear the pitter pattering of them crawling around

#d-and-d-suggestions message this would be fun, feeling like a horror game

[strange sable]

Dude

My suggestion was remove

d

The one before this one #d-and-d-suggestions message

tf

[agile condor]

Yo the rainbow suggestion was deleted

someone actually deleted a troll suggestion - crazy

[strange sable]

And my suggestion about pickable flowers

that wasn't a troll

[agile condor]

Lmao - that's actually weird since they already have ore... that you crush into powder

could just have flowers crushed into powder too

pretty sure I upvoted that one as well

[strange sable]

<@&988703997378584596> Who deleted my suggestion about pickable flowers in the upcoming forest area

It was above this suggestion: #d-and-d-suggestions message

[agile condor]

Maybe not who lol - but why

[strange sable]

It had 65 upvotes and 0 downvotes

[agile condor]

Crafting with flowers, deleted, while this remains lol - #d-and-d-suggestions message

[strange sable]

Teddy

How could you do that to me

[rose sandal]

Suggestion are being sought through and the suggestion that are deemed inadequate are being removed

[strange sable]

Why would that be inadequate

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message this still exists lol - turn-based combat, cause that makes sense 😄

[strange sable]

@rose sandal Are you the one who removed it?

[rose sandal]

Yup

[strange sable]

Ok buddy

Graysun will hear about this

[uneven hearth]

how does that have any upvotes, lol

[agile condor]

LOL relax Peypug - just remake the suggestion and elaborate more of why it's legit

ya gonna get the bans

[strange sable]

Screenshotted so you can't delete the proff

proof*

that's something you would do

[agile condor]

bro lol

[strange sable]

If I had a mod tierlist you would be F- tier

[agile condor]

Mods have logs anyways

[strange sable]

@rose sandal Can you elaborate on why that was removed

[agile condor]

Idk kinda cool he was honest about it - though I don't see how something that was clearly very upvoted is deemed inadequate

[strange sable]

Teddy has been acting controlling this whole time I have been in this server, its a power move

[rose sandal]

We have logs of me removing Every suggestion that I have.
And logs of every chat.
Also
feel free to contact graysun at anytime if you believe there is an issue with what I have done

[strange sable]

I will

[agile condor]

Well I'd rather we keep cleaning up the suggestions rather than cause an issue over this lol

Just remake it

cause many of the troll suggestions are gone

[strange sable]

it had 65 upvotes

[agile condor]

It'll get it again

[strange sable]

@rose sandal I will remake it if you tell me why it was deleted

[agile condor]

Rephased: how could he reword the suggestion to make it adequate or is improving the gathering/crafting system not something that is being considered?

[rose sandal]

If you believe your suggestion was adequate, feel free to repost. But If it is to be removed again either by me or other moderators. I would suggest speaking with Graysun or Luci about why it's being removed

[strange sable]

Do you not have the ability to speak for yourself?

[rose sandal]

Honestly don't know which one it was. Because I have read so many by now.

[strange sable]

I will tell you almost exactly what it said

[agile condor]

Do you still have it pey? post it in here

[strange sable]

"Add pickable flowers and plants to the upcoming forest map. These ingredients can be used at the alchemist to brew health, shield, and invisibility potions."

[rose sandal]

What forest map?

[strange sable]

The floor 1?

[agile condor]

The new map that's coming

[strange sable]

@rose sandal ?

[agile condor]

#the-tavern message

[rose sandal]

Well Go ahead and put it back up. I was not aware that there could be the forest as the first floor

[strange sable]

Under the suggestion write that you accidentally deleted my original suggestion and you are sorry

[agile condor]

bro lol relax

[rose sandal]

No

[strange sable]

Why

[agile condor]

who cares, just put it back up XD

[strange sable]

I ca re

[rose sandal]

Go ahead and repost your suggestion ❤️ My mistake for not understand B1 was the forest map

[storm drift]

guys i think we should have pickable flowers in the forest map, you guys think its a good idea

[agile condor]

woah, great idea - super smart

[rose sandal]

@strange sable
Rule #[1] - Be polite when communicating in our community, try not to create any conflicts. Refrain from discussing politics, religion and other similar controversial topics.

Suggestion are for suggestion only, not smart comment/remarks
Do not do it again.

Heres Your post so you can repost it

Add pickable flowers and plants to the upcoming forest map. These ingredients can be used at the alchemist to brew health, shield, and invisibility potions.

[agile condor]

thanks for going through and clearing out the troll/crazy ideas

[strange sable]

Why don't you take responsibilty for your mistake

[storm drift]

@strange sable my idea was better anyway

[timid pulsar]

how about you stop crying

[rose sandal]

You're welcome. I spoke with higherups and I got the all good to start filtering them out.
I was told that those some may be a little far out, but You never know what could happen in a fantasy based game ❤️

[agile condor]

dude lol - stop holy smokes

[timid pulsar]

so cringe delete discord

[rose sandal]

I have apologized for my mistake. We are ending it there. Make your suggestion post and leave the topic. Only warning

[rigid prawn]

MOM DAD STOP FIGHTING

When we gettin the killstreaks?

[timid pulsar]

TIMMY GO TO YOUR ROOM NOW

[strange sable]

@rose sandal Sorry Teddy I went a bit too far there. Thanks for admitting you didn't know

[agile condor]

Seriously Peypug, take the W don't turn it into an L - repost your suggestion and lets get some upvotes

[opaque slate]

ong

[visual goblet]

new suggestion: arrows can blocked by a shield that is on your back, just for more realism, doubt it would change much except melees retreating

personally might save me from hitting one of my team members in the back, always found it weird seeing the arrow clip thru the shield and daamge someone

[agile condor]

a fighter with a Pasive on main and offhand slot

Also every ranger will put a Pasive on their back lol

[visual goblet]

yep

i think could be fun to the balance

dont think it would change much

[timid pulsar]

cant wait to see people crouch spamming backwards

[opaque slate]

"dont think it would change much" :)))))

[agile condor]

😄

[visual goblet]

i cant imagine a fighter wearing a pavise walking backwards crouched to go to a ranger XD

lol would be something tho

[opaque slate]

gotta do what it takes to kill those rats buddy

[timid pulsar]

[visual goblet]

maybe running away from a ranger would be abetter option

😛

[opaque slate]

then what is the shield for

[visual goblet]

oh ranger vs ranger maybe u just pump up your sensibility to 100 and do a 180 when the arrow comes 😦 i think my sugestion is a bad one, plz downvote D:

[opaque slate]

my brother in christ you reject your own idea

[visual goblet]

indeed

plz downvote 🙂

[agile condor]

Fighter with 2 Pavise, crouched & spinning in a circle - unkillable

[opaque slate]

hes got me guys

i need healing

[visual goblet]

😂

but its more realistic

IRL i would do that lmao

[tropic furnace]

i did that as a ranger against a wizard

but instead in sloth 1 i had a ranger sword

[visual goblet]

did it work lol?

[tropic furnace]

he bypassed the shield..

with a fireball..

[visual goblet]

hehe

[opal sparrow]

Me and my friends already tried that, our fighter used a shield crouch blocking the hallway while I shoot my arrows, fun time

[agile condor]

A fireball that hits a Heater Shield should be absorbed and allow the Cleric to return fire the fireball lol

[tender magnet]

It is called a heater shield for a reason

[agile condor]

Exactly

Also actually

a protective shield on their backs would make rangers less likely to team kill

[timid pulsar]

what do you guys think of my terrible suggestion #d-and-d-suggestions message

[agile condor]

Could be interesting but think we're far away from stuff like that

I'd like to see a pet class first if anything

[tropic furnace]

too op, or so much of uses

reduce the amount of uses

and it would be fine

[timid pulsar]

i mean mobs are pretty easy to kill, it would only be op in pve

wait nvm

lol imagine a skeleton fighting a zombie

[tender magnet]

bones vs flesh

[lucid root]

Mobs are currently easy to kill

[magic root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message all classes are supposed to have 75 points spread across their skill so if 6 to 8 points were taken off of resourcefulness where would you suggest they go

[white cliff]

@delicate fossil I play in a group so I can play with a group though.

I don’t really want to RnG spawn across the map in a party centric game as a cleric.

[barren leaf]

2str 2agi 1 will 1 knowledge

[magic root]

Ok I’d be cool with that maybe more for will or knowledge since they’re getting spells in the future

[unreal canopy]

Make it a once dungeon ability, call it soul's release, have it "release" (kill) the creature from the dungeon but it's ghost is grateful and will help protect you until you get out XD

[white cliff]

@ebon delta while I will say that’s an interesting idea, I think dividing the queues into a third dungeon might be a problem.

[wintry forge]

I already suggested the spiders can crawl on walls and ceilings and it got down voted.

[ebon delta]

This is why i say it should have time-limited access. It can be done in many ways, i was thinking about something like 3-4 half-hour/hour segments per day on weekends so it doesn't affect other queues too much while giving players in different timezones ability to try them(special dungeons)

[soft relic]

The average player can't even seem to survive skeletons, and dies occasionally to the regular, easy to kill spiders we currently have. You think they are capable of handling spiders in 3 dimensions, rather than just on the floor? 😄

There are some suggested ideas that are cool, but couldn't be added in just because of that kind of thing haha

[unreal canopy]

A push back or knock back would be nice

they are going to haft to implement it anyways with one of the classes they mentioned

[wintry forge]

I suggested to add a snake enemy type, and that got down voted. What are your thoughts on why?

[magic root]

Honestly a spider on the wall sounds easier to attack so I don’t see the problem

[ebon delta]

Games already made me afraid of giant spiders, I don't want to have a new phobia

[magic root]

Would it be an infinity spawning mob like the spider?

[wintry forge]

Could be, but it doesn't need to be.

[lusty wren]

Spider is not infinite just break the jar 😄

[unreal canopy]

I'd like to see some AI retargeting instead of mindlessly following one person

[magic root]

Well no duh but you get what I mean

[wintry forge]

Maybe they could just hatch from eggs.

[gray vessel]

cause they are hard to hit. it's already a pain enough to hit the spiders, i'm not trying to have a spear against a snake. Or even a halbard trying to hit a snake when my weapon keeps hitting the floor and beign deflected

[magic root]

If they’re limited and not tied to a spawner I wouldn’t mind them cuz they’d drop loot on kill and would probably be something small like bandages, pendants, or lock picks which is always cool

[unreal canopy]

their hitbox are a little wonky

[magic root]

Fr I think pole weapons need a floor attack like you bash down with the bottom of your weapon like your trying to squash something

[soft relic]

It was kind of hilarious watching fighters with halberds trying to kill spiders.

[vagrant stone]

the zweihander sucks vs spiders

[ebon delta]

I agree but that can be said about many other things vs spiders

[vagrant stone]

like which

[ebon delta]

Like almost all 2-handed weapons, ranged weapons, spells and some more

[magic root]

Was gonna say the same thing with 2 handed all them are pretty bad. ranged tho isn’t that bad you just gotta find that sweet spot to aim

[vagrant stone]

i think spear, longsword, bows, and spells are okay

i'm not sure about war maul, halberd, and bardiche

with the bow its pretty easy to shoot the pot and then just shoot like 3 spiders or even just switch weapons

[ebon delta]

ranged weapons and spells vs spiders is decent if you can get to high ground, otherwise they kinda suck, especially against elite spiders

[vagrant stone]

are you trying to run bow and crossbow

[ebon delta]

I don't understand your statement/question(?). Sorry, i am not a native speaker

[magic root]

Spear are Garbo for killing spiders I think they need their own attack animation for striking right down at your feet

[vagrant stone]

I mean, are you trying to use a bow and a crossbow? Usually a ranger or fighter can use a bow and a sword. You could switch to the sword.

[ebon delta]

You can, of course. But aren't we talking about "which things are good and bad against spiders" rather than "what is a better loadout to fight spiders"?

[vagrant stone]

idk i felt like it was ok with the thrust, but if there is an issue it could probably be easily fixed

[vagrant stone]

should you be able to kill everything with the default weapons without problem?

[ebon delta]

No

[vagrant stone]

the answer could be to play well, and find a sword if you're having trouble without one

i'm impartial to the idea of giving the ranger a sword by default but I think a lot of people don't seem to want it

[ebon delta]

then don't use the zweihander against spiders 😁

[vagrant stone]

exactly 😂

but the zweihander is way worse against spiders than bows, with the zweihander you practically can't even because its so big

you're using examples like bows and spells when the bows can totally kill spiders and magic missle also can easily

[ebon delta]

I used to fireball spawners in last playtest(it can break pot and maybe kill 1-3 spiders near it) but one fireball is not enough to kill elite ones(neither spawners nor spiders). With magic missiles you have to stay in place and can only hit one thing at a time, so unless you have a safe place or a high ground 2-3 spiders will still bite you good while you casting. I didn't played much with bows but seen other people struggle to deal with spiders while using bow-type weapons, so i just assumed that it is harder then it looks like

[vagrant stone]

in my opinion it's not that hard with the bow, if you have good gear and longbow you can one shot them

but yeah you can't run away while shooting without being hit so in that sense its worse than a sword

as wiz you could use ignite with a dagger for example, rogues also have some trouble but it's still doable

[gray vessel]

@modern pulsar I'm 95% certain they already said this will happen #d-and-d-suggestions message

[modern pulsar]

ohhhh okay good lol

[eager creek]

theres already too small of enemy types. If they buff the hurtbox then it will be fine in a forest dungeon

[wise flame]

Adventurer's gotta be sure to bring themselvesa spoider stabbin' knoife

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message - as in, give rogues a ranged 1 shot lolllll

that's suppressed 😄

[wintry forge]

The knockout effect could only last for 10 seconds or something.

[agile condor]

Suspense, maybe you need to add reasons as to why you think we should have these suggestions cause most of these make no sense. Is there something you dislike about the current circle mechanic that you're so set on removing it from the map and making it play a sound instead?

[agile condor]

Right so a rogue sits in stealth, 1 shot 'sleeps' you from a room away or in the shadows, then while you're sleeping walks up and kills you lol

[wintry forge]

It's kind of immersion breaking seeing the white circle on the minimap with the red showing where the circle is moving to. I also asked in q-and-a to be sure that the dark swarm hasn't been making any sound. It seems like it should sound like a hive of wasps or something. When I brought it up before people didn't like the idea of not seeing the circle on the minimap, but if you could hear it coming from a room or two away then you wouldn't need to see it on the minimap.

[agile condor]

Come with me on journey really quick, you spawn into a map and get into a PVP fight, a few minutes later you find yourself in the swarm. Where do you go?

You're also usually pretty close to the edge of the circle in this game, that would likely be very annoying to just have this buzzing in your ears every game all game all the time - sounds painful

Thinking about it, that might actually just make me quit the game that'd be so annoying lol

[rough elm]

I do agree that white circle seeing or not is just lazy way forcing players in one spot i do not agree however with hearing swarm coming up people are already deaf they cannot even hear full plated guy coming behind them imagine they are hearing even more additional sounds

[agile condor]

Also, the minimap might break your immersion, the circle itself might break your immersion, the circle showing on your minimap doesn't break immersion any more than the other 2 by themselves

[rough elm]

Unless it could be implemented in higher tier dungeons where u have to listen to the sounds even more closely

[wintry forge]

@agile condor Did you block me? I've been trying to answer your questions, but they aren't going through.

[agile condor]

I've had you blocked for a few days but that didn't stop your other message from going through lol - probably a word in there it doesn't like, generally I actually don't want to block your chats, just your suggestions lol

but that doesn't work rip

If it did, you'd have 1 less downvote though lol

[wintry forge]

I see what the problem is. G.U.N. isn't allowed.

[agile condor]

gotcha - just send your message with g**

I'm going to bed in like a minute

[vivid rover]

why is g.un wordfiltered lol. i can imagine some simple muskets added to a game like this. <@&988703997378584596> can you remove that wordfilter?

[woeful helm]

gun

[agile condor]

gun

[eager creek]

gun

[agile condor]

lol

[eager creek]

ayo o_o

what was that

[agile condor]

someone just tried something RIP

[eager creek]

@wintry forge

[agile condor]

I hope you copy & paste that message and are not typing that in for the 5th time my guy

[wintry forge]

My comments keep getting deleted. @woeful helm

[woeful helm]

which?

[placid canopy]

Type half of it at a time to figure out what it is

[agile condor]

the last 4 he's tried to type lol

[placid canopy]

Narrow it down

[agile condor]

copy & paste it into a notepad and then send it bit by bit

[wintry forge]

b.l.o.w is blocked

[eager creek]

we figured that out earlier lol

[agile condor]

Yeah

LOL REKT

Blowup is not blocked though

[woeful helm]

[agile condor]

😄

[woeful helm]

"I thought of the tranquilizer blo.w gun. because someone suggested a crossbow for Rogue. This could be a unique weapon for Rogue, and it would be different from the other weapons because it's nonlethal. The starting bl.ow gun could take 2 shots to knock someone out, and the ammo could be limited to 6 shots or something. It might be powerful in 1v1, but it would help when dealing with groups. I'm just brainstorming. This isn't a fully fleshed out idea, like I'm sure all of the other suggestions probably aren't either."

-Idea from Suspense

There you go

[eager creek]

oh god

[wintry forge]

Thanks.

[eager creek]

a stun on rouge class?

[agile condor]

10 second sleep 🙂

[eager creek]

anna from ow lol.

[agile condor]

Yeah

😄

[wintry forge]

It doesn't need to be 10 seconds. It could be 3 seconds.

[eager creek]

you just made a point and click trap lol.

the trap itself is already op

[placid canopy]

Sounds absolutely disgusting. A team of 2 can just blast you and you're a goner

Not different from a bow though i guess lol

[eager creek]

Imagine a 3 man rouge group all b.lowdarting different enemies while stealthed lol

[agile condor]

Alright so here's I think the suggestion - "I think rogues should have some better utility at ranged. Currently they only have throwing knives. Maybe allowing them to perk into a bow or some other ranged options could be cool for some light damage, maybe a CC effect, or other utility"

[eager creek]

problem?

rouges have never been ranged. weird that they wouldnt just pick a different class.

[agile condor]

Well... I don't know if ya'll know this lol

[eager creek]

if anything give stealth a ms bonus, so they can close the distance

[agile condor]

but rogues have really good ranged already

[eager creek]

oh they have?

[agile condor]

You can apply rupture to your throwing knives, and it will apply your poison on his as well

add that to like a weakpoint

[eager creek]

oh they can make the stealthbomb a projectile. essentially being a no damage ranged option to close gaps or run away

[agile condor]

We're talking huge damage from a throwing knife hah

[placid canopy]

Yeah broader suggestions are more likely to be upvoted.

"Give some type of ranged ability to rogues" is much less likely to be downvoted than "give rogues a ranged blowdart stun for x amount of time" (generic suggestion advice, not actual suggestion)

[agile condor]

-State a problem that you see with the game
-A general hypothesis on how you think we can solve that problem

Cause if it ain't broke..... 🙂

[placid canopy]

Unless you wanna be meta and say something stupid and obvious just to get upvotes lol (please don't)

[agile condor]

that's a cool one, would make smoke bomb more useful

[eager creek]

thanks, I tried running it before when I was new and it never worked out

[agile condor]

Does smoke bomb make non-rogues cough inside it? it should 😄

[eager creek]

cuz right now its very obvious youre inside of it lol

if you can throw it, it adds layers to escapes

or engages*

[eager creek]

i think it just slows ms

but it should lol

[agile condor]

Anyways I'm out - Suspense, maybe what you need to do is post your suggestions in here first & gather feedback. What do others like or dislike about it, what's confusing, what questions are there. Then once you get a sense of how your idea sounds to a few others, you update & post your suggestion.

[verbal marsh]

smokebomb is fun when solo but yeah otherwise useless

soon as a grp chases you just run into boss room and hide with smokebomb

[eager creek]

agree. hate to see the man get constantly obliterated

[agile condor]

Some of his suggestions are just... lol

They need feedback

[eager creek]

i never had much success with it. but im sure its not terrible as a solo extraction loot gameplay

[agile condor]

Does Smokebomb drop PVE aggro?

it should

[verbal marsh]

nah you basically invis or hide near door then when enemy team passes you smokescreen between them and healer and kill

kinda splits the grou

[agile condor]

Definitely could cause some chaos, can you smoke from stealth or does it drop stealth?

[eager creek]

you lose a massive damage perk if you use it offensively is the biggest issue tho

[verbal marsh]

drops stealth and also takes a second to deploy

best to already be in a useful position when using it

like the door

[placid canopy]

I almost felt like smoke bomb was purely for ratting by using hide + smoke

[agile condor]

Alright so, smoke bomb has a short range, doesn't drop stealth, drops PVE aggro of players inside it imo

[verbal marsh]

its mainly for screwing up enemy healer

hard to los target front line when u cant see em

[eager creek]

I think the stats on it were like 3% pickrate lol

needs a ton of buffs to be viable

[verbal marsh]

but most cases rogues would rather just go for kill flat out then try to smoke

[agile condor]

stats where?

[eager creek]

its in one of these tabs

I forget where

[agile condor]

maybe, could be useful like a smoke bomb in WoW PVP

[eager creek]

its in development tab

https://discord.com/channels/988365908009447485/989064933696237568

[verbal marsh]

it would be useful at higher lvs of gameplay

when your whole team can solo, but your rogue still more likely want rupture then smokebomb

[eager creek]

7% pickrate for smoke bomb

[agile condor]

Ah from first playtest

[eager creek]

Oh thats not from now?

[verbal marsh]

when half the rogues arent even using hide for weakpoint attack it explains why its only 7%

people just prefer flat dmg

once the ms is more balanced that likely change

[eager creek]

p u right

o

im sure its lower

ive never seen anyone else use smoke bomb lol

I tried it a few times and dropped it

[verbal marsh]

I used it but my team sucke so i gave it up

its a good ability tho if you want to extract and avoid more.

[placid canopy]

A lot of people seem to keep suggesting shield blocking while on your back, but I don't think it fits the game. It would essentially be a stat stick that you just slap on and forget about without getting a downside which is not how stats on anything else on 2nd weapon slot functions

[eager creek]

true, but that just means its a 1 trick option

only used if youre noob on rouge and are just looking to lv up and extract for loot

[eager creek]

ya, i dont get why they want that either

[agile condor]

You'd definitely see every ranger with a Pavise on their back lol

[verbal marsh]

2ndary weapons would have to give a speed penality for the shield thing to be ethical.

[agile condor]

anyways, I'm out - night

[eager creek]

if rangers are op, nerf them. dont get everyone a shield on the back lol.

pce

[verbal marsh]

and noone would be for that in exchange either

[placid canopy]

If you're decent you don't even need a 2nd weapon on since you can just hotswap from your inventory

Fighter buddy did that the last 2 tests with a bow

[undone grotto]

They could make it one of the level up perks you can pick as a fighter when they implement the skill tree later so not everyone has it

[verbal marsh]

sprint makes it so fighter can swap faster tho

[undone grotto]

So? Just shoot them in the legs. Maybe rangers when they’re nerfed in other ways, can later spec into a perk that if you shoot people in the legs it slows them but does less damage

I wouldn’t expect a shield on the back to cover their whole body

[verbal marsh]

pavise does.

[undone grotto]

I’m pretty sure pavise shows ankles

But they could deal with the pavise by making you slower if you carry one

So it’s a trade off

[verbal marsh]

I wouldn't want to see high mouse sensitivity players randomly spinning. It would just be annoying.

ruin immersion

[placid canopy]

If anything the perk could count the armor of the shield but I don't think the hitbox should count as just an immunity spot in the back

[undone grotto]

Yeah but that’s a separate issue

If they want to waste their time spinning you’re gonna hit them eventually while they do nothing but spin like an idiot and miss half their hits

[placid canopy]

Walking towards someone backwards while leaning over crouched just sounds like a meme lol

[undone grotto]

If you don’t take advantage of your range and let them gap close then you suck at ranger

Map awareness

I feel like fighter being able to sprint is just a hazard you have to risk when playing ranger

There has to be a counter to everything

[placid canopy]

To be fair people do this a bit with looking straight up/down and crouching to avoid being headshot

Even in melee

And it works very well

[verbal marsh]

yeah but they dont have a pavise on their back they still die quickly.

you're suggesting to cause fights to last minutes instead.

[undone grotto]

Ok and what’s wrong with that

It’s not gonna be every player that has it

[verbal marsh]

that you have 5 minutes to leave, you dont have 5 minutes to sit in a 1n1 fight with a dude in a room.

[undone grotto]

And when it does you can choose to disengage

[verbal marsh]

not if its a pavise sitting in a door...

not only could he block you he could block you with his back turned to you instead of actually setting it.

[jagged thunder]

moltov?

[verbal marsh]

then he steps forward and blocks you with it held instead?

you're the one losing cause you cant get past a single player with a pavise suffice to say.

and who says he's not carrying two...

blocking himself from two sides

or just a pavise and a sword shield combo

absolute broken

[mossy ruin]

Having the shield work on your back with how the game is presently would be disastrous, if you do not see why...

[wintry forge]

Shield on the back should slow you down though.

[jagged thunder]

what if the hit stuns or staggers the player if its not a block

[fickle gorge]

Are we really arguing a shield functioning on the back? What is this, COD?

[placid canopy]

I would gladly be slower if it made me immune to damage on my back

It's like not even arguable

[verbal marsh]

nah its a fighter, who can quick swap it and drop it in door in less then second with sprint.

[mossy ruin]

Maybe in the future things could change, but atm, thats a hugely absurd thing to suggest, even in the future imo.

[verbal marsh]

ranger can do same thing and just quick trap behind it and turn a candle out and wait.

[fickle gorge]

lolno

[verbal marsh]

like pavise on back would just be disruptive entire gameplay mechanics as they stand.

the pavise meta would hence begin.

[mossy ruin]

agree, tbh, its not worth explaining, the devs 100% would easily avoid this without our input

[jagged thunder]

the mobs block hits with shields if they arent blocking tho?

[mossy ruin]

Would be cool in a co-op game with no pvp though

[placid canopy]

At least the mobs are holding it

Also I wouldn't compare mobs to pcs

[jagged thunder]

i think attacking a shield should stun players if they arent actively blocking

[undone grotto]

Ok but if people hold a pavais they’re can’t attack right? So like the worst he can do is push you into a corner and if you let him do that you’re an idiot and it’s deserved lol

Be aware of your surroundings and don’t tunnel vision

It’s like complaining you got stabbed by a rogue who went invisible infront if you and you didn’t try to catch him out by attacking around that area

[verbal marsh]

I won't respond if its not a thought out response in future, but the debate is on your back not in your hands.

[placid canopy]

He can if it's on his back which I think the point was

[glacial sphinx]

blocking on the back would be bad for sure, it'd be the only thing held in your second hand doing something when you're not using it and in general just lead to more annoying gameplay

[undone grotto]

Yeah but the guy was talking about him holding it and pushing towards you which is what I was addressing

[placid canopy]

He meant facing backwards

[eager creek]

if blocking on the back existed, it would just negate traps for fighters lol

oh, im trapped, let me turn around lol k

[glacial sphinx]

I dont want people to start walking backward at you with a pavise while holding a 2h

[placid canopy]

Also there wouldn't even be a reason to hold the block button with a shield in main hand cuz it would also have to block

[undone grotto]

He went on to talk about them putting it in doorways so I doubt it

[jagged thunder]

stun

molotov

[undone grotto]

He was speaking about people actively using it when he replied to me, that’s the part I was addressing

Tldr If the dude puts it down in a doorway just take another door

Sometimes you gotta just walk back into the swarm for a moment to reposition

Shit happens lol

[placid canopy]

I saw a streamer get stuck in a spawn room and someone blocked it with a pavise lol

[verbal marsh]

yep 1h+shield would be worthless it'd be faster to just pavise and 180

also you'd have benefit of being able to 180 during swing and still block...

[jagged thunder]

not if it stunned...

[verbal marsh]

Imagine how broken that would be with a zweihander and pavise...

[mossy ruin]

Not to be rude Azzy, but you are breaking down his extreme examples of easily reproduced griefing. In smaller doses the whole thing would be frustrating to play against. Another way too look at it is, giving fighters and rangers immunity to collison respecting attacks from behind. Thats ABSURD.

[verbal marsh]

half of the 2h's have a full frontal cone there would be 0 reason to ever stop swinging.

[jagged thunder]

so we can all agree that inf arrows and useless shields are the way to go?

[mossy ruin]

Elaborate?

[verbal marsh]

I wouldnt be against fighters having a skill use perk for back blocking tho

[glacial sphinx]

Shields aren't useless already, but also not having them be active permanently even if not wielded isnt the only way to buff them if they need it

[verbal marsh]

like enable offhand shield to guard back for 6 seconds.

that i would deem fair anything else no

[mossy ruin]

decent, i like it

[jagged thunder]

if players got stunned after they get hit in their shield i dont see the issue

if they arent blocking

[placid canopy]

I think a better one would be to just allow armor of offhand shield to apply to your total armor

That way it's not an annoying immunity hitbox

[verbal marsh]

would make sprint, guard a fun combo. sprint with pavise on back and run backward lol

you''d lose second wind but hell

[glacial sphinx]

I'd prefer some perk where if you get hit in the start of your block you slightly stagger and get frame advantage on your next attack

[mossy ruin]

maaaybe that would be something

[jagged thunder]

im pretty sure you can parry already

[verbal marsh]

yeah im hoping they give fighter some better shield master skills he's somwhat lacking in the skill department.

sprint second wind are only good ones.

true strike has its uses but its meh

a skill useage that doesnt compare with barbarian not really wurf.

[eager creek]

There is gonna be a whole skill tree thing

[placid canopy]

That's fair. We have no idea the abilities or power the skill tree could provide

[mossy ruin]

still abusable as a wall, and sorta makes shield useless if you are gaining advantage from blocks. I feel like you want some soecific gameplay scenario to work out at the cost of disrupting the rest of the game.

[verbal marsh]

tree looks likely to have weapon mastery style stuff

[placid canopy]

I think they're just filler icons for now

[verbal marsh]

I just know priests has a static icon for war maul

in its class screen

[placid canopy]

Yeah I think every class has the same tree preview right now

[verbal marsh]

class screen will probably play a large role in fighter balancing

[jagged thunder]

realistically your not going to be able to stand up to a hit meant to kill you if you arent prepared for the blow... i have no idea what you are insinuating it didnt sound convincing

[placid canopy]

Hey he said the forbidden word

[eager creek]

Blow.

[jagged thunder]

how do i gain an advantage if im stun locked ?

[placid canopy]

Periods are cheating

[eager creek]

Ah the periods saved him

[verbal marsh]

hopefully they never add stuns...

[eager creek]

We got drama in chat :3

[jagged thunder]

arrows basically have them already?

[eager creek]

???

[verbal marsh]

you mean death? yeah its powerful

[placid canopy]

There's a huge difference between a stun and a 15% slow for half a second

[eager creek]

A stun would be walking into a trap

[mossy ruin]

Well, realistically a pavise is massive and depending on how your are hit, its shruggable. Realistically is never fair to mention so drop that. I agree how do you gain advantage when you are stunned, silly.

[eager creek]

Well technically a root

But still

That's the hardest cc in the game

[verbal marsh]

that is called a root, there are no stuns in game.

[eager creek]

I already clarified that