suggestion-discussion

[woeful oriole]

Actually fuck that, lets just go with a suggestion everyone agrees with

Add detailed customization

[lusty wren]

God not cat girls again

😄

[woeful oriole]

I mean... That is a consequence of that

But no that wasn't what I was thinking

[sonic pendant]

let's just ignore the "dota" kid and move on in chat. devs obviously aren't going to restrict class formation, and this person can go play something else

[white cliff]

I’m kind of sick of discussing redundant things, I’ve seen skins, races, and voip suggested 10 times today.

[woeful oriole]

It is redundant

But everyone agrees with it

How about we discuss, more weapon variety in classes

Thematically making sense of course

[white cliff]

At this point I’m downvoting good suggestions because they’ve been talked about for several months.

[soft relic]

Or even just fixing the current unusable weapons. Like war maul.

[woeful oriole]

Like a barb isnt going to be using bear traps

[white cliff]

I’d love to see a ball and chain on the cleric class. Flail.

[sonic pendant]

god maul is ass, isn't it'?

[woeful oriole]

I dont know which weapons are unusable

[white cliff]

2H just need vertical swings.

[ebon delta]

Actually, i think rogues and clerics should have at least some access to ranged weapons

[woeful oriole]

Didnt pay attention to tier lists

[lusty wren]

They did say they have just the most basic of weapons atm. So I would expect alot of cool shit to come

[woeful oriole]

Just kind of used whatever i got my hands on

And went with it

[ebon delta]

Even if it is stupid crossbow

[lusty wren]

Big disagree, I think CONSISTENT range needs to be very selective

[jagged cobalt]

War maul was good in October. The movespeed penalty when attacking is what made it suck in December.

[soft relic]

I'm kind of on the fence about rogue needing a ranged weapon. On the one hand, they kind of need something for PvE. On the other hand... I was 2 shotting people with throwing knives.

[woeful oriole]

@lusty wren i disagree, create a new weapon called palm crossbow, make it rogue exclusive

Two versions, primary and off hand

[soft relic]

True. The slow swing speed combined with slow move speed made it too easy to get out of its way.

[woeful oriole]

Add in shortswords for rogue

[granite plinth]

rogues got throwing knifes, only useful for spider spawners

[lusty wren]

If all these different classes have consistent ranged options it turns into the first playtest Ranged and Ranger

[sonic pendant]

throwing knives aren't that good, must have been low health. and rogues don't neeed range, they're fast enough to run from anything, and then hide and get back in range

[lusty wren]

every fight is a ranged stand off

no thanks

[woeful oriole]

Now you can 2nd slot a main hand palm crossbow, or wield a dagger/shortsword with one

[jagged cobalt]

Anyway goodnight fellow nerds🤓

[soft relic]

When you have all of the + damage on your gear... 🤣

[woeful oriole]

Palm crossbows would be close to mid range with mild damage

[lusty wren]

Did you see the first playtest?

[woeful oriole]

No

[lusty wren]

Ranged and Ranger was not fun

[woeful oriole]

Oh right

[soft relic]

And you get a blue throwing knife to their back, with expose weakness on... it actually did a lot of damage lol

[woeful oriole]

They had infinite arrows didnt they

[lusty wren]

If everyone has a ranged option we revert to every fight being a ranged stand off

[lusty wren]

They still do

[woeful oriole]

Well they didnt have a quiver

[soft relic]

Not that throwing knives were amazing. But you could actually hit pretty hard with them if your gear was all + damage

[lusty wren]

they didnt have to reload ya

[woeful oriole]

Is what i mean

Kind of weird

[soft relic]

Wouldn't 2 shot everything. But people in light armor it was pretty good at killing

[sonic pendant]

did you not play?

[lusty wren]

But every fight devolving into a ranged stand off was not fun

[woeful oriole]

Where do the rangers pull the arrows from

No hes talking about the first playtest

Where they had no quiver

Now they have to reload at least

So it gives you time to shank them

[wintry forge]

Did they say why not? It's weird not being able to get fatigued.

[lusty wren]

IIRC they had a pretty detailed reasoning on the PESTILY interview

worth a watch

[white cliff]

^

[sonic pendant]

you can shoot 6, use multishot and shotgun 5, and then shoot one more, and then use triple shot and shoot those 3, and then shoot three more, before ever needing to reload. it's still infinite

[woeful oriole]

Yeah i played ranger

Its dumb

Ranger is clearly the favorite child

At least wizard takes skill to be broken

And some level of items

[ebon delta]

I think giving crossbow option to rogue and cleric is not gonna make the game into rangers contest simply because crossbow kinda meh. I never seen anyone using it(except me)

[granite plinth]

dont rangers also use spears or was that a diff class

[woeful oriole]

But ranger is just pew pew

Rangers shouldn't reload arrows with skills

If they do, it ahould be the minimum number of arrows to execute the skill

Not all arrows

[lusty wren]

Crossbow is very good, If you hit headshots its very strong.

[white cliff]

@earnest needle I don’t think the game needs some type of gem system honestly especially at this stage in development. Though, they’ve mentioned in the QnA’s about creating a way other classes could cast spells, like cantrips.

Funny you’d consider ranger a favorite considering rogue and wizard dominated for the majority of this play test.

[solar smelt]

throwing knives can activate abilities

[woeful oriole]

Lies

[solar smelt]

so you can proc rupture and bleed someone with a knife

[woeful oriole]

I refuse to believe rogue is a favorite

[sonic pendant]

#d-and-d-suggestions message#d-and-d-suggestions message this is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too specific and multi-faceted to ever get any traction, fyi. post one idea, not a whole complex system. those always get downvoted to oblivion

[white cliff]

Leaderboard doesn’t lie.

[woeful oriole]

With how many shit skills they have

Skill doesnt = love child

[lusty wren]

Did people have issues finding lockpicks? You guys realize there are multiple static spawns for them right? If you are checking them often you should stay stocked up easily

[solar smelt]

rogue skills are good wdym

[white cliff]

Gear creep is insane in rogue.

[woeful oriole]

looks at pickpocket

[white cliff]

I think we’ve had this convo before if you’re the skills guy lol.

[woeful oriole]

looks at invisible belt

[earnest needle]

Yeah I mean I though it would be cool to add an element of mid maxing at endgame for all the people already with legendary and stuff.

[woeful oriole]

looks at disarm traps

[solar smelt]

so you are purposely looking at the bad abilities?

disarm traps has its uses

[wintry forge]

I don't see why people don't like these.

[woeful oriole]

Well im just comparing it to other class perks

[white cliff]

Limits gameplay.

[woeful oriole]

Like everh single ranger skill is useful in some case and can contribute to a unique/different playstyle

Same with most skills from most classes

[solar smelt]

footsteps is about as useful as traps

[woeful oriole]

Then rogue exists

Where it jas several skills that can only be used with hide

[solar smelt]

hearing is hit or miss on usefulness

[white cliff]

The game is different then any other game, I don’t really want to deal with the usual mechanics that slow gameplay.

[granite plinth]

simplicity

[white cliff]

The loop is great.

[woeful oriole]

And several others that just dont do anything in most gameplay situations

[white cliff]

It has some niche skills sure. But it has the highest interact speed, highest base speed, and lowest gear requirement for insane dps output.

That’s why top tier rogues where a problem.

[woeful oriole]

Uh thst last one is a lie

The other is true

[white cliff]

The last one isn’t a lie.

[vestal thorn]

Were lockpick spawns on the interactive map? I only remember the table in library (easiest one) I always forget which fountain spawned another. I need work on memorizing them all still 😋

[woeful oriole]

I dunno man, with a basic bow as ranger

[white cliff]

Rogues dominated a good 3/4 of the play test.

[woeful oriole]

I can just shotgun arrows into someones head and kill them

[agile condor]

Lmao

[ebon delta]

Because keeping track of all of this things is not fun i guess

[woeful oriole]

With wizard

Haste and invis go brrrrr

[white cliff]

We’re going to fundamentally disagree because of the differences in what modes we played and with what gear sets.

[woeful oriole]

True

[white cliff]

We had two different experiences.

[woeful oriole]

Perhaps we did

People say rogue is op with good gear

[agile condor]

Idk - in high roller pvp I would disagree with you lol

[sonic pendant]

let's be honest; rangers sucks last test, and were a nuisance at best. everyone learned how to juke most arrows at this point. so tired of ranger hate. wizards are wading through 3mans and people still think rangers are a problem lol

[woeful oriole]

But you said they only need low tier gear to be op

[lusty wren]

TBH my buddy had them memorized and he reminded me when we were by them 😄

[woeful oriole]

Thats my disagreement

They can be good

[white cliff]

Me or him.

[woeful oriole]

But i dont think they're op

[agile condor]

You

[vestal thorn]

Lucky, were there a lot more than 2?

[white cliff]

You don’t think rogue dominated for the start of the play test?

[woeful oriole]

@sonic pendant oh no wizards are a huge issue

Fuck them

[lusty wren]

Was a few per map. IIRC it was 3ish per

[white cliff]

Rogue led top kills for at least 3/4 if not the full pt.

[sonic pendant]

i know, i was one. i maxed ranger, cleric, fighter, and wiz. wiz was bananas fun.

[woeful oriole]

Maybe its my experience

But i usuallt laugh if i see a rogue

[vestal thorn]

Ah okay thanks, another thing I'll add to training on my to do list next test lol

[agile condor]

Rogues were never scary

[woeful oriole]

Because they drop in 2 hits

And do no damage

Even with better gear

I javent seen a high tier geared rogue in work

[granite plinth]

i did had an issue fighting a rogue in the tunnels, my weapons cant do anything in there

[agile condor]

Compared to other classes yeah

[woeful oriole]

But every rogue ive seen with mediocre gear

Were easy to kill

[lusty wren]

You know the room with chests and a bunch of trinkets on the ground with zombies that spawn? There is one on the room connected to it on the shelf 😄 that is the only one I personally had memorized

[sonic pendant]

rogues caused me more problems than any ranger, barb, or fighter

[woeful oriole]

I just dont have an issue with them

[sonic pendant]

doesn't mean no one did

[white cliff]

You ever run into sobad?

[woeful oriole]

The people i played during the test was rogue, cleric, wizard and ranger

[ebon delta]

especially solo rogues, at least in my case

[vestal thorn]

Gotcha, as long as it's not the library It's a spawn I don't know about. ♥️

[woeful oriole]

Well i cant deny that no one had an issue

But can explain to me what was causing the issue

[agile condor]

Calling out 1 person is hardly a view on an entire class, sorry man

[sonic pendant]

any rogue, really. so many times, chasing a two man and getting backstabbed by the hidden third rogue that you never saw.

[woeful oriole]

Remember his statement is "Low gear investment is enough to make rogues op" he didnt exactly say that

[white cliff]

Like I said rogue topped kill LB. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[woeful oriole]

But he implied it with his statement

[agile condor]

“But these 3 people killed me on rogue, must be OP!”

[woeful oriole]

And from everyone ice spoken to

They say rogue needs high gear investment before they're op

[hollow sentinel]

fellas the game has only been playable for like 12 days, relax on the 'nerf this' bandwagoning

[woeful oriole]

And from my own experience, me having some moderate gear

I didnt feel like i was op

I felt like a functioning human being capable of actually killing someone

[sonic pendant]

OP is not the issue. the issue is getting shanked in the back 5 times before you realize they're even present. which even a starter rogue is vvery good at. softening you up for their tms

[granite plinth]

i use rogue for the looting for my other classes

[agile condor]

But the rogues obviously dominated too much, I couldn’t kill them, they must be removed from the game

[lusty wren]

Rogue base dagger was meh just a dagger and they were much better

[woeful oriole]

Okay, i admit the damage indicator when you get shanked in the back in nonexistant

[vagrant stone]

some people got like 500 hrs

[white cliff]

You’ve missed some context clearly.

[woeful oriole]

Its happened to me several times before

[unreal canopy]

if you push without clearing you gonna get messed up

[white cliff]

We’re not talking about nerfing rogue at all.

[woeful oriole]

I just do not agree that rhey are op with moderate gear

Maybe they're annoying sure

[hollow sentinel]

the whole point in gearing up is to make yourself stronger bros

[woeful oriole]

But annoyance doesnt really mean overpowered

[agile condor]

Uhh that was to Solonius, not you my guy

[vagrant stone]

just me or the suggestions are getting much worse as time seems to go on?

[woeful oriole]

They are

[lusty wren]

How hard rogues were to deal with was relative to the class you play

[woeful oriole]

People are just trolling now

[hollow sentinel]

anything that kills me = needs to be nerfed

[woeful oriole]

Its how they killed you

[agile condor]

Someone else trolling in the suggestion-discussion channel other than the suggestion troll himself, crazy

[woeful oriole]

And how you can interact with it

Anything that enables one side to have a huge advantage just because, needs to be nerfed

cough wizard haste and invis cough

[unreal canopy]

Real question, i played all the roles but never had a good way to deal with ranged AIs as a melee fighter, is that just a class weakness or mine?

[woeful oriole]

You ever have

A hasted barb whos invisible

Smack you in the head

[white cliff]

They’re not super worried about balancing right now though.

[agile condor]

This reminds me of https://youtu.be/L_Qsq9J3g8g

[vestal thorn]

Do you think being able to set pins or pings in the map in game (temporary) would be appropriate? A simplified way to communicate a goal in game or say pin locations of portal spawns?

So some games you can scribble on the mini map, or set pins on a map. To non-verbally communicate direction.

or too OP?

[hollow sentinel]

they should remove all classes, everyone starts in the same gear. class based advantages are just unfair

[lusty wren]

Wiz would be perfectly tuned IMO If haste and INVIS didnt stack. Simple fix if you invis the haste drops

[white cliff]

It’s a game in play test, think about how much adding a single class could offset a meta.

Or a single spell.

[woeful oriole]

@hollow sentinel even if thats a troll proposal... That doesnt sound too bad

[white cliff]

Then you’re balancing all over again when you’re trying to solidify core systems.

[woeful oriole]

The skill tree and perks could be used

To flesh out customization and playstyles

[white cliff]

Constructive, great add.

[mossy ruin]

Rogue's strength was honestly in their ability to choose fights because they were able to interact with doors and DIP or invis and DIP.
I also would not call rogue OP, but they had an easy time retaining gear by avoided threatening 3mans when solo. They really play like a rogue should feel. very rogue.

[agile condor]

Ya laughing but this is why we have all these classless “play whatever you want” games where everyone is just all the same

[mossy ruin]

and they do nice burst

[lusty wren]

Yes because devs continue to appease the masses at their own detriment. We can hope DaD devs dont do this

[white cliff]

Funny because we shot down the suggestion that forced everyone to play a tank healer and dps lol.

[mossy ruin]

classless games re so nauseating

[ebon delta]

I used to think that rogues are OP and they need to be nerfed. It was until i discovered that if you hit one of those in their face with fireball they will suddenly die

[woeful oriole]

Yeah@ebon delta

[white cliff]

Isn’t tarcov and a classless game?

[agile condor]

??

[mossy ruin]

yeah they die

[woeful oriole]

Thats about right

[mossy ruin]

tarkov is roleless

[frosty creek]

well i made that sugestion for tank and healer and dps and i dont know why ppl dont like it ?

its more balance like this

[woeful oriole]

No one likes being restricted

Thats the main point

[lusty wren]

We live in a world where people literally ask for lootboxes.... sad days

[woeful oriole]

Its restrictive

[frosty creek]

its not restriction its improvement

[woeful oriole]

@lusty wren i mean if you see ow2 new system

[frosty creek]

tank and healer and dps is better team comp then 3 clerics

[agile condor]

People want to play a warrior(fighter) but not every warrior wants to tank

[woeful oriole]

Loot boxes are like heaven compared to it

Because theres too much useless shit thats overpriced

[white cliff]

I mean it’s the definition of restriction.

[lusty wren]

Its asinine to think you can force roles on people and they will play better. It will have the opposite effect

[frosty creek]

well if they dont like healer then play dps ! what the problem ?

[lusty wren]

One shit system does not make another shit system better 😉

[ebon delta]

It depends on what you are trying to achieve

[woeful oriole]

Its improvement for team play, not for gameplay experience @frosty creek

[solar smelt]

guaranteed replies

[white cliff]

What if I have three friends who all play the same class.

[solar smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-rod-snap-cast-fish-fail-gif-17119887

[agile condor]

Being forced to being exactly the same as everyone else is pretty restrictive lol

[lusty wren]

IF I have 2 friends and they both are only comfortable playing DPS how do we play together if we are forced into a comp?

[woeful oriole]

@lusty wren sadly in overwatches case it does

Now you'll nevee get a skin for new heroes

Without paying 25 dollars

[vestal thorn]

Good / Bad? #suggestion-discussion message

[frosty creek]

then they should play solo ? or learn another class

[lusty wren]

Overwatch has a shit system, that does not mean DaD needs a shit system as long as its not as shit as overwatchs

[mossy ruin]

team comp forcing really doesnt change much, if anything its just going to kill the queue times

[woeful oriole]

At least You got loot boxes on level up and had the chance

[agile condor]

Then one of your friends would be watching cause you can’t have a 4 player party

[woeful oriole]

Theg should have kept the free loot boxes

@lusty wren i agree

[white cliff]

Who said I was playing.

[woeful oriole]

I was refeering to overwatch specificslly

[lusty wren]

You are a troll right? 😄 Ill move along

[woeful oriole]

But loot boxes shouldnt exist in games

Unless those games have ridiculous amounts of cosmetics

[white cliff]

I unfortunately don’t think so.

[agile condor]

Then why are they your friends? Lol just say 3 people, don’t try to push the narrative of your friends

[unreal canopy]

Not in a game that it's entire purpose to to go, collect, get out.

[woeful oriole]

Even then, there should be ways to get it in game and those cosmetics should be purchausable with cash

[white cliff]

Not everyone can design games.

[lusty wren]

Well that makes the need to move on from that convo even more pertinent 😄

[woeful oriole]

@unreal canopy mainly triple A games

I think loot boxes are fine in mmorpgs so long as you can sell items on the in game market

[white cliff]

Who knows, maybe in this scenario I’m eating a sandwich.

[woeful oriole]

Like in phantasy star online 2

[frosty creek]

dont u think its not fair to the player like this ? what if 3 friends play 3 cleric
and reach lvl 20
then they learn its not skill issue but comp issue
they will quit the game instead of level another character

[lusty wren]

We had great success with what you call a "bad comp" 😄

[woeful oriole]

Three rogues best comp

[agile condor]

Apparently we’re not suppose to call out the trolls, just suppose to ignore them apparently

[woeful oriole]

Set up... The treasure room

[lusty wren]

I really should start 😄

[white cliff]

We had great success with 2x cleric wizard.

[woeful oriole]

3 rogues in separate corners

Good loot in the center of the room

[white cliff]

Three clerics sounds great.

[agile condor]

But you didn’t have a rogue, how ever could you play?

[woeful oriole]

Hear footsteps and hide

[granite plinth]

had success with 2 rogues and a ranger that also baits people in

[lusty wren]

Funny thing is the best comp was wiz/cleric/barb yet he says best comp needs to be tank/dps/healer

[white cliff]

??

[frosty creek]

ty for agree with me

[woeful oriole]

@lusty wren technically you just listed

That comp

[frosty creek]

u see ?

[lusty wren]

If you think barb is a tank LOL

[woeful oriole]

Barb is tank, wizard is dps and cleric is healer

[lusty wren]

barb is dps

[ebon delta]

You can pick 3 clerics and go loot things that are outside the safe zone in swarm. Because you have so much healing it wouldn't be as much of a problem.
You can take 3 wizards and just spam other people with non-stop magic missiles
Or you can do anything else that you think would work for your strategy.
Dark and Darker isn't only about fighting other players you know?

[agile condor]

That’s dps dps healer lol

[frosty creek]

my suggest is good but u dont like me so u downvote

[white cliff]

It is, but I don’t need to be min maxing. All the time.

[lusty wren]

You really think barb is a tank. This convo is more pointless than I thought

[woeful oriole]

I dunno what barbs do but uh

[unreal canopy]

i think it's both.

[woeful oriole]

Ive seen one survival 15 shanks from ke

[frosty creek]

tank is barb or fighter
dps is wiz or ranger or rogue
healer is cleric

[woeful oriole]

When he was wearing just a helmet

[white cliff]

I’ve never seen anyone in this game survive 15 of anything.

[lusty wren]

WRONG barb is DPS in every shape and or form.

[white cliff]

😂

[granite plinth]

cleric and wizard buff the barb that one shots with felling axe

[mossy ruin]

Team composition is not simply trifecta, its meta relevant answers to problems caused by difficulty of the game or to grind efficiently or deal with PvP. Whether through decisive and aggressive combos, attrition resource advantage or the like. The holy trinity of heal tank and dps only is necessary when a game forces it, and even then people break it. Why force it, it makes things interestinf

[woeful oriole]

Its a bit exaggerated

Of course

But he wouldnt die

I literally dodged 5 of his swings

[frosty creek]

barb has 200 hp and can 100 magic resist from talent
he is anti mage tank
fighter is anti physic tank

[woeful oriole]

The bitch would not go down

And i dont know why

[unreal canopy]

you realize most of their abilities removes % of defense right?

[white cliff]

I mean people started running wiz to deal with ranger rogue.

[woeful oriole]

I had poison in my blade

[lusty wren]

The vast majority of what barb does is lower its resistances to become stronger. Its DPS not a tank

[white cliff]

The wizard lb boomed during the later half.

[woeful oriole]

I HAD POISON ON MY BLADE

[frosty creek]

omg he is a tank... stop troll me @lusty wren

we all know this

[woeful oriole]

how much hp do barbs have

[lusty wren]

How about not pinging me I am done conversating with you 😉

[woeful oriole]

Though imma be reao

Real

[frosty creek]

then dont talk me

[woeful oriole]

I was using the default dagger lol

[frosty creek]

u are muted @lusty wren bye

[lusty wren]

Thank god

😄

[agile condor]

Alright time to start the blocking

[granite plinth]

with a default dagger i stab a wizard at least 7 times, he also got shot in the head by a skelly, still lived

[white cliff]

Who?

[woeful oriole]

Bruv what

[unreal canopy]

if you have default dagger, get stuff and extract till you find or can buy one, you are not putting anyone down unless you are awesome or they are the worst.

[woeful oriole]

How tanky is that wizard

[agile condor]

The food guy? - don't worry you're fine

[woeful oriole]

Ive put rangers down with the default dagger and wizards and other rogues

But this incident was when i was in my first 10 games

[white cliff]

Oh yeah for sure lol.

[woeful oriole]

Ive lesrn to juet run when i see barbs

[granite plinth]

i think the default dagger is a piece of dog sht, always buy or collect 20+ dmg daggers

[woeful oriole]

Not worth

[agile condor]

Not even suppose to say their names lol

[lusty wren]

barbs are easy kill on rogue

[white cliff]

Fr fr.

[woeful oriole]

Yeah i figured that out early on abiut default

[white cliff]

I always bought a bunch of the stater weapons honestly.

[woeful oriole]

Default dagfer

Does less damg then a punch...

[unreal canopy]

I love the stiletto daggers

[white cliff]

The few extra damage was great for mobbing when I was trying to get my snowball going.

[mossy ruin]

you draw very harsh lines from small perks or common builds. Ill admit a fighter or barb do frontline anf soak damage, but other groups or even these two classrs easily can flank or ambush instead of charging in. Your thinking is too ideal and expects factors that arent even relevant. I played barb solo a lot, i didnt just TANK anything, i played like a slow loud rogue.

[lusty wren]

I wouldnt go into a raid with the default dagger. always bought a better one even if it was still shit 😄

[woeful oriole]

I have trauma from my first 10 games of barb

[agile condor]

Need to find the suggestion troll and take care of him while I'm at it as well

[woeful oriole]

If i see one without a chest piece

With a 2 handed axe

I run

[white cliff]

Anything with -50.

[woeful oriole]

I refuse to fight them

[granite plinth]

daggers that do a stabby can miss, daggers that swings are a friendly fire

[lusty wren]

On a rogue tho they easy kills

let them swing first

and you win

[mossy ruin]

If you saw a barb dual wielding or felling axe, they probably fuck

[agile condor]

He has like 20-30 posts so far this year with 200 upvotes and 1800 downvotes lol

[woeful oriole]

Default dagger life contributed to my trauma

[white cliff]

Jesus can you sort by global votes?

[woeful oriole]

Ironically i had no issues using a rapier, but peopke say rapiers are shit

[agile condor]

I counted lol 😐

[white cliff]

Commitment.

[lusty wren]

rapiers and maul are worst weapons in the game

[agile condor]

I was curious 😄

[woeful oriole]

I enjoyed them though...

[mossy ruin]

rapier + castilllion dagger was ehat i did

[granite plinth]

they dnt swing, so you can miss your shots

[lusty wren]

Which is fine, but just stat to stat they are bad

[woeful oriole]

And i found them to be effective .-.

[mossy ruin]

rapier for bit of rangex daggrr for dps

[woeful oriole]

Just stab stab stab

[white cliff]

So many people play this though, it’s hard to tell what’s a troll and what’s just a bad opinion.

[mossy ruin]

I used rapier for mobbing or shield players

[lusty wren]

The sad part is how many arent trolls...

just lots of really bad takes 😄

[mossy ruin]

but damg lower ye

[white cliff]

I think the best I’ve seen was Hymr.

[agile condor]

When you ask to base match making off of number of games played, I just assume there is no other logical reason

[unreal canopy]

stiletto daggers stab down over the shield, loved them.

[white cliff]

And similar gear score.

[agile condor]

Remove heals! Later Cleric, RIP barb lol

[lusty wren]

I hate the idea so much just seeing the words gear score together make me want to commit sudoku

[hollow sentinel]

that's such an awful suggestion lol

[white cliff]

The most recent suggestion was loot boxes.

[mossy ruin]

I didnt get the best chances to test as rogue, i actually didnt die much on them, so safe

[lusty wren]

Ya, people just want to be abused. Companies put shit on their plate and they ask for more

[white cliff]

In a game where the gameplay loop is loot, loot boxes would destroy this game and it’s economy.

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[white cliff]

I think loot boxes are good when they provide no physical advantage. I actually liked the old OW loot boxes and apex crates, and league crates.

The f2p model that also farms whales.

[hollow sentinel]

they should add 25 and 50 man pve raids

[mossy ruin]

I mean, surviving could give a token or something thwn lead to 10 tokens and open a nontradeablr item or something, but gamr doesnt need that either

[white cliff]

If I hear about anymore pve suggestions….

[agile condor]

damn, that just got 8 more downvotes in like a few seconds, ya'll savage

[mossy ruin]

I want the game to be harsh and cruel early on

[white cliff]

Oh hey I remember downvoting this.

[unreal canopy]

i mean, who doesnt want a barb watching a rouge go invisible 1k times and learning it

[hollow sentinel]

heroes of might and magic eagle eye enjoyer

[mossy ruin]

so manypeoplr dont see this gamr for what it is and come from such oddly skewed angles

[lusty wren]

People would sit in spawn and just "learn" new skills

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message carefully though, none of this careless nonsense

[white cliff]

I don’t think they have a positive ratio on any suggestion.

[agile condor]

They do

I've seen 1-2

[white cliff]

Is it something like add voip though?

Or training dummies?

[unreal canopy]

i saw one about releasing sooner

[white cliff]

Close enough.

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message lol

[lusty wren]

Someone told me in here they wanted voip and that voip meant VOICE IN PLAY 😄

[unreal canopy]

.<

[mossy ruin]

Imagine

[white cliff]

I uh, actually downvoted this one too.

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message I upvoted this 1 actually

[mossy ruin]

tbh i just wanna play, but lets let them have time

i likr that

[ebon delta]

i mean, aren't we all like that?

[unreal canopy]

I really liked the idea of randomizing if torches will be on or off and rolling for it each game

[white cliff]

Interesting concept, can’t imagine navigating a map with no static light sources though.

[agile condor]

only if people there before you spend time taking them out haha

[white cliff]

Imagine being behind a group and your next 5 rooms have no lights 😂

[agile condor]

Same as turning then off in that sense if you can take a second to place another

[unreal canopy]

carry a jug of water to wet and take longer to relight XD

[agile condor]

People can already turn them all off in front of you though so idk 😄

[lusty wren]

Sounds horrible

[white cliff]

Horror simulator.

[lusty wren]

But you can turn them back on

[white cliff]

The dark grows darker.

You just can’t remove them.

That’s what the suggestion was.

[agile condor]

I was a dirty door closer in PUBG, I can be a dirty torcher extinguisher in dnd

[lusty wren]

DaD

[white cliff]

DnD

[unreal canopy]

D&D

[lusty wren]

DaD is just superior. I mean they always leaving us to go get cigs and shit!

[white cliff]

That’s just dad with extra steps.

[agile condor]

We should just call it "Darker"

[white cliff]

I mean I can’t think of a cannon making thematic sense in a dungeon, though I suppose 3e has cannons of course.

I don’t even know what room it would go in.

[agile condor]

Alright, which one of you has an alt discord account? #d-and-d-suggestions message fess up

[white cliff]

No they’re my dislike bots.

Bots and alts are different silly goose.

For legal reasons this is a joke.

[agile condor]

I think you can tell someone is a troll in here when their go to is "Everyone is against me, that's why they dislike my suggestions" lol

[white cliff]

I don’t know why he upvoted loot boxes though.

[ebon delta]

i don't even understand what "functional ancient cannon" is nor do i get how room with it can make game any better

[white cliff]

No idea.

[white cliff]

It’s like a cannon, that shoots I’m assuming a cannon ball.

[agile condor]

inside a room lol

[white cliff]

Which made me think of destructible environments.

[agile condor]

aimed at the boss

[white cliff]

Or a doorway.

[agile condor]

a long narrow hallway

[ebon delta]

woah, i think i just ascended

[white cliff]

How would one get a cannon in a dungeon.

[lusty wren]

not how, why

[white cliff]

And for what reason.

[agile condor]

Step 1: Make a suggestion lol

[woeful oriole]

@ebon delta elden ring cannon

[white cliff]

Both his and why.

I wish some of these where thought out.

They didn’t even explain why they want this.

[lusty wren]

Society IQ is diminishing this is an example of it 😄

[white cliff]

Or the logistics behind it.

[agile condor]

They're not, even when the suggester claims they are

[ebon delta]

Suddenly this makes more sense to me

[white cliff]

How much damage does it do, where is it aimed, can it be moved, what room does it go into, what purpose does it serve?

[woeful oriole]

Next thing you know, they'll want a giant crossbow that you cant move with while firing

[white cliff]

@next violet

[lusty wren]

Ok how about this...
You guys keep mentioning Elden ring.... How about now...stay with me now.... Weapon arts

[woeful oriole]

Not... A bad idea...

[white cliff]

Haven’t played a souls game sorry.

[lusty wren]

Oh the guy who muted me downvoted me 😄

[white cliff]

Elaborate?

[lusty wren]

Interesting

[agile condor]

Here's a good one, suggest something that's already in the game and still get downvoted lol
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[lusty wren]

I am trolling Not worth explaining though elden is a great game you should play it

[white cliff]

I prefer competitive multiplayer games, though I know elden rings had great success.

It’s just not for me.

[lusty wren]

I feel that, I do as well. But a good souls game is a nice change of pace for those days you just dont feel competition

[agile condor]

Agreed, I tried Elden Ring but not really my style to get into

[white cliff]

Been watching a friend play modded sekiro recently.

[ebon delta]

Is that like a picture with a sword on it or something? Like "Do you have a weapon?" -> "No. Much better. I have a picture of it"?

[white cliff]

That’s my secret cap, I’m always competitive.

[lusty wren]

better you draw pictures with the weapon

😄

[white cliff]

Obviously the game that won game of the year can’t be bad.

[muted crag]

he wants weapon forms/styles, but heres the issue of my understanding, Ironmace wants the weapon attack patterns to be recognizable via the weapon itself.

[lusty wren]

I was trolling making fun of how bad the suggestions are in the suggestion channel

[white cliff]

Running out of things to discuss.

[granite plinth]

i like door gameplays, can the barb stop breaking down all the doors, maybe add a limit

[unreal canopy]

it is fun to smash after a group.

[white cliff]

Meme or suggestion?

[agile condor]

Get to inferno and fight them there 🙂

[muted crag]

thank goodness for that. No Brokie, barb smash.

[white cliff]

How would you even implement that.

Like oh I’ve used my three door limit.

[agile condor]

😄

[mossy ruin]

Elden Ring is amazing, but it wasn't flawless thats for damn sure

[granite plinth]

Barb doesn't get tired huh

[muted crag]

that would be SO LAME, like the nerf fighters took to their weapon perk.

[white cliff]

Is it like a moral issues? He’s a doorman, they’re like Mormans but they can’t smash more than three doors.

[unreal canopy]

"your axe as a ding in it, no smashy"

[white cliff]

No class gets tired.

[granite plinth]

maybe I should be able to buy a door from the shop lol

[white cliff]

Door shield?

[muted crag]

@unreal canopy no care, smash blunt, break wood.

[unreal canopy]

XD

[agile condor]

We can also limit players to 3 potions per raid, they get food and can't drink any more

[white cliff]

It’s called a pavice.

[agile condor]

:kappa:

rip

[granite plinth]

break door, get wood, make campfire?

[white cliff]

Your character now needs to rest outside of game.

And is limited to one raid per day.

[mossy ruin]

oh my

[muted crag]

Cease, heresy.

[lusty wren]

Lets just skip the dungeon and get loot/gold based on RNG

[unreal canopy]

after 3 potions you get an upset tummy debuff

[agile condor]

Unless you pay the cheap cheap price of $3.99, an 800% value

Slot Machine RPG

[white cliff]

I would like some sort of social area so I can gamble all my gold away.

Or maybe a discord for it haha.

[granite plinth]

arena, place your bets

[agile condor]

Message people on trade, place in the money & don't look at the item - got your gambling money away for ya

[unreal canopy]

let's spectate other dungeons .. and bet on who will make it out

[white cliff]

I mean like rolling dice.

[white cliff]

Permmington has entered the chat.

Guy was scamming on na east the entire play test.

[agile condor]

lol

[lusty wren]

I like that scamming is possible tbh

[agile condor]

Didn't realize Bobby played Dark & Darker #d-and-d-suggestions message

[granite plinth]

the max gold you can trade is 1250, so scamming is very possible if your doing two trades to buy one rare weapon

[agile condor]

that's what candy canes are for

[white cliff]

^

[granite plinth]

some sellers don't want candies

[white cliff]

30g per cane.

[granite plinth]

and some say they can get it cheaper

when bought in bulk

[agile condor]

they're super easy to convert to gold lol

[lusty wren]

also seasonal so wont be something you really can bank on

[white cliff]

Whatever you’re buying for above 1k gold, and not canes isn’t worth it most likely.

Canes are the currency work around anyways.

[granite plinth]

an easy fix would be if brokie bags can hold 100g ea

or make the box bigger

[white cliff]

I find it interesting that the community decided an arbitrary worth for the alternate currency to get around the limited trade window.

[unreal canopy]

or change the name of silver and make them a metal more valuable than gold

#d-and-d-suggestions message
what does this mean

[granite plinth]

ppl be hoarding silver before this change and they'll be rich

[white cliff]

What would a demolitionist class do.

[lusty wren]

It means click the thumb down button

[white cliff]

Also, they’re adding all the classes from 3e so.

I need explanations.

I don’t need blanket statements.

I can’t discuss conjecture.

I can discuss why this game doesn’t need bombs or guns, but I can only assume what the word demolitionist entails.

@wintry forge

[lusty wren]

In 5e they make and throw explosives

[white cliff]

^

I think it would be shorter to talk about what doesn’t exist in 5e.

[agile condor]

Ahh so peaceful

[lusty wren]

I think they only exist in 5e but coudl be wrong

[white cliff]

And then you’re hit with the “1 blocked messaged”

[lusty wren]

its a ranger archetype

[agile condor]

I thought you were talking to yourself for a minute

[white cliff]

Artificer?

[white cliff]

Responding to a suggestion.

[agile condor]

I saw lol

[white cliff]

A vague one clearly.

[agile condor]

Suggestions don't get blocked

[white cliff]

Unfortunately not.

[hollow sentinel]

i think they should add heavy weapons guy, scout, medic and engineer from tf2

[agile condor]

I see your vague suggestion and raise you a #d-and-d-suggestions message

[unreal canopy]

has anyone suggested making it so we can play the game now tho?

[hollow sentinel]

zandorum and suspense really compete for the worst suggestions possible

[agile condor]

They have indeed! 😄

[wintry forge]

I haven't played D&D, but it's a 5e class.

[unreal canopy]

doesnt one of them have a suggestion thats voting that they not be allowed to make more suggestions?

[wintry forge]

All of my suggestions are good.

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message This is still my favorite since this is already in the game but still got downvoted

[lusty wren]

Its a form of shame 😄

We cant make em walk naked thru a plaza so we downvote instead

[hollow sentinel]

you may as well use that channel as a shopping list

[granite plinth]

prob the reason it gets downvoted

[agile condor]

I wonder if he posted the suggestion "Name the game Dark and Darker" if it would get downvoted lol

[wintry forge]

I've never run into one. Where are they?

[granite plinth]

Yeah asking for a skill based matchmaking is a good idea

[rotund sundial]

and I never understood why spinach in pasta was a thing

[granite plinth]

It’s so fun

[wintry forge]

I've gotten mods to delete all of those.

[granite plinth]

Tryhard every games, can’t play with your shitty mates

Good idea suspense

[wintry forge]

If it wasn't, devs wouldn't put it in their games.

[lusty wren]

I dunno bout that

Devs put shitty things in their games all the time

[granite plinth]

Tell me why you want a SBMM???

[agile condor]

Suggestion: Allow me to block suggestions from specific suggesters. lol

[lusty wren]

Does muting them not work?

[unreal canopy]

Put it in!

[agile condor]

Nope, cause in the suggestion channel it's posted by someone else

[lusty wren]

ah ya that makes sense

[wintry forge]

You only want to read suggestions from people who think like you?

[lusty wren]

I think its more about trying to weed out the troll suggestions

[wintry forge]

I don't know if I care, but I'm not against it.

[unreal canopy]

solo player?

[agile condor]

I tried being constructive and nice but there's no change, it just gets worse lol

[mossy ruin]

Suspense, not all ur suggestions are good, some were. I like the throw enough shit at the wall some will stick strat

[wintry forge]

So far.

[agile condor]

And you're not allowed to call it what it is

[lusty wren]

Some use the suggestions as a troll, their intent is to bait people into arguments about them here.

[wintry forge]

Are you saying you haven't liked all of my suggestions, but you have liked some?

[mossy ruin]

Yes

[agile condor]

I even asked about that though, I was like - you just have a ton of ideas and you put them all in here, that's cool. I was like, what would you say your favorite suggestions are? The response was "The game combat should be a mix of Mordhau & Tarkov"

[mossy ruin]

Stop replying to me when u mean someonr else lol

[wintry forge]

I explained in more detail than that.

[agile condor]

I was talking to you lol

[mossy ruin]

Ive never played mprdhau nor mentioned it

[agile condor]

?

[mossy ruin]

Unless im actually drunk

[agile condor]

You're talking to someone about them having lots of ideas, I'm saying I've been down this path

that's where it lead

[wintry forge]

Have you played Mordhau?

[mossy ruin]

oh i see, i expected "quotes" my bad, yeah im outta here no point in this im tired

[wintry forge]

@agile condor
Have you played Mordhau? It has lots more melee mechanics than this does, and that's what I want.

And I also mentioned Tarkovs body part damage.

[mossy ruin]

Tarkov is a very nice. punishing game, but since the combat in tarkov is often long range its hard to notice debuffs or damage amd pushing can be dangerous since due to peekers advantage, those systems dont translate well here IHMO and Tarkov is over saturated with "gotcha mechanics ur dead get tarkoved" than it needs anyways

last wipe they made food and water soo fast drained till ur high in the food skill. i feel bad for new/inexperienced players. Idk if DnD wants to fuck the player, if so thats THEIR prerogative, but they can add that stuff much.later

[wintry forge]

Mordhau has directional attacks, parries, ripostes, feints, morphs, kick, stamina. I explained it to Emba. I don't know why he thinks I didn't answer.

[mossy ruin]

gtg gn, gl

[quaint sentinel]

If they do add food / drink system they should just be just basic buff /heal like eat a heel of bread heal 10 hp over the course of 5 mins and can't eat more to heal more something like that

[cerulean pollen]

thoughts on making wizard's ignite into a damage over time effect entirely instead of flat dmg + burn? my thinking is that a lot of peoples frustration comes from dagger wizard being too strong when combined with invis and haste, having it as a dot would reduce the bursty roguelike gameplay and still keep the play style alive imo

[sweet blaze]

Why did they remove the ACOG from the rangers long bow :(

[wintry forge]

Probably would. I can't take most of the down votes seriously. The devs are going to find it hard to trust the votes too.

[wintry forge]

Why?

[hollow sentinel]

fr. suggestion: allow me to delete other users' suggestions

[sudden fractal]

i will never understand why people want skill based matchmaking in games

it is the worst and most pointless feature to any multiplayer game

ESPECIALLY extraction shooters or battle royales

[vivid rover]

lol, says the unskilled player. you just want to stomp on beginners instead of dealing with people your level and getting good

[sudden fractal]

you assume im an unskilled player why? lol

[vivid rover]

because youre against matchmaking and running from a challenge

a skilled player would want to prove himself on the leaderboards

[sudden fractal]

i will pick my challenges thank you very much

if u want sbmm then add a competetive ranked gamemode

dont force it onto casual players

[vivid rover]

exactly, add MMR and make it competitive

[sudden fractal]

it does nothing but make games a sweat fest and not fun

for everyone

[frosty creek]

some ppl are just kids @vivid rover
like @fair lava he DM me to cry then he block me before im can say anything

[vivid rover]

and let noobs learn in peace instead of being farmed by you

[verbal marsh]

most cases people abuse match making systems so I dont see how they improve anything tbh

[sudden fractal]

ever played any modern call of duty?

[vivid rover]

lol kids game

[sudden fractal]

its a shit fest

sbmm ruined it

[vivid rover]

i only play league of legends and it would be a mess without MMR

[frosty creek]

maybe its bad because it dont had sbmm in release ? so then kids join and ruin player community

[vivid rover]

please arrive in the 21st century

[sudden fractal]

dont you understand that maybe not everyone wants to play a game competetively?

and maybe

they just want to play it

for fun?

[frosty creek]

sbmm will protect that players

[sudden fractal]

something u mightve not heard of before

[sudden fractal]

no it will not

[frosty creek]

they will play in peace not with try hards

[vivid rover]

MMR is perfect for that too because those unskilled fun players will meet each other

and not get stomped on by tryhards

[agile condor]

Trolls are out in force tonight

[sudden fractal]

idek why i come to this channel anymore

[verbal marsh]

they're always out in force lawl

[vivid rover]

yeah they really are

[sudden fractal]

they are talking ab u dude

[vivid rover]

idk why anyone wants to punish noobs so much

smh

hes talking about you

if noobs get stomped on the game wont grow

MMR protects them

[verbal marsh]

smh he's talking aboot me.

[sudden fractal]

kinjiiii

u lil troll

rascal

[frosty creek]

i dont get it why sbmm is bad for noobs ? it will put noob vs noob ? they can play and have fun and dont die to lvl 20 mage 1 shot fire ball

[verbal marsh]

riddle me this riddle me that what did the great tombstone say to doc holiday we begat?

[vivid rover]

actually i just had another great idea, ill make a suggestion

[sudden fractal]

noob gets 1 good game in, goes into next game and gets put with absolute tryhards

gets completely ruined

[frosty creek]

then make it more slow to go up in mmr ?

what the problem

[sudden fractal]

just dont add sbmm

[frosty creek]

so u can beat noobs ?

kk

[sudden fractal]

why do i have to be the one to explain this

i cba

[agile condor]

I mean - I'm looking at a guy claiming they want SBMM cause that's for real players that aren't scared of the competition but then upvoting stuff like.... Both the poster and the upvoter seem like trolls lol, time to add another block to the list RIP #d-and-d-suggestions message

[sudden fractal]

look at the fucking ratio in up to downvotes, thats all u guys need to see to know nobody fucking wants sbmm

competetive games 100%

ones with ranks

[frosty creek]

thats because noobs dont come in this server

[sudden fractal]

like csog and valo, sbmm good

[frosty creek]

noobs talk in steam group or reddit or skype

[sudden fractal]

but cod for example doesnt have ranked gamemode

so sbmm is forced onto casual players

[verbal marsh]

noob wants 4 min que times so he can feel like hes playing tarkov :3

[sudden fractal]

that dont care for ranks

[sudden fractal]

mmmmm my fav feature

[iron fractal]

beanz minecraft was already made. there you can build your bases and practice pve. keep those trammel opinions to yourself please they dont belong in a full loot game.

[vivid rover]

Okay ive made my suggestion for gear based matchmaking, that should make the game fair for noobs

[agile condor]

Also you downvote @fair lava's post, how does that make any sense lol

[vivid rover]

So they dont get farmed by mage abusers

pls upvote mine in #d-and-d-suggestions

[hollow sentinel]

obvious troll @vivid rover

[verbal marsh]

sounds like you've a 5% extraction rate.

[iron fractal]

@vivid rover with a gear based mm anyone could take shit gear and stomp noobs anyway. theres no good way around it other than make the content more interesting than smurfing.

[vivid rover]

no? cant stomp noobs with shit gear

gear is OP

[iron fractal]

rofl.

[vivid rover]

makes double damage and double tank

[iron fractal]

i see now @hollow sentinel

[agile condor]

Just block them

[vivid rover]

i try mage and use zap. damage? 0

[iron fractal]

some people are just clueless

[agile condor]

Let them talk to themselves

[vivid rover]

on youtube i see mage use zap. kill in 2 hits

thats the power of gear

just broken

[hollow sentinel]

so gear based matchmaking is the answer?

[vivid rover]

yes, thats fair

[hollow sentinel]

fuck people who like to play zero to hero

you are a fool

[granite plinth]

That why this game is fun

Zero to hero

[vivid rover]

? you go zero gear to hero gear anyways

just get fair games on the way

[sudden fractal]

new player gets rly lucky and finds legendary gear, goes into a match with that gear

[granite plinth]

Or full legendary and slay the lobby

[iron fractal]

just make a toggle pvp button for darker so he can decide when he wants to fight. maybe let him inspect enemies gear from distance.

[sudden fractal]

gets put with mfs that have 100's of hrs

how is that fair?

that has to be the worst way to go about sbmm

[hollow sentinel]

add a special mode for darker that lets him be gear carried because he doesn't know how to play the game

[vivid rover]

they have full legen not just 1 weapon

and he can also save it for later or sell it

[granite plinth]

Darker is obviously trolling

[vivid rover]

better than running into purples when you wear whites

[sudden fractal]

youd be surprised

[granite plinth]

Suspense is not

But this guys 100%

[hollow sentinel]

suspense is just thick in the head

[agile condor]

Just suppose to block them apparently, they're allowed to troll

[vivid rover]

rude

[iron fractal]

theres so many clueless kids spewing their shit on that suggestion channel its amazing

[granite plinth]

Yeah but I can’t block their suggestions

[vivid rover]

you will see that the game devs understand a game needs matchmaking

[sudden fractal]

imagine if escape from tarkov had sbmm

[vivid rover]

just unfair otherwise and people will quick

noone cares about tarkov it has nothing to do with this game

[hollow sentinel]

cry a little bit harder mate, devs have already said there will be no SBMM

[iron fractal]

worst suggestions ive seen from anyone. and theres about 500 from this kid

[vivid rover]

liar

[sudden fractal]

new players wouldnt get anything because theyd be fighting against pistol players 100% of the time

and good players will be fighting sweaty tryhards 100% of the time

that is not a good thing

[verbal marsh]

nothing wrong with my pistol @sudden fractal

[sudden fractal]

for u yeah cuz u wont lose much if u die

[verbal marsh]

wha I treasure that pistol, it says desert eagle on it.

[sudden fractal]

but whoever kills u will be like "well thats a waste of money on ammo"

[granite plinth]

And with a sbmm you can’t play with your shitty friends

[verbal marsh]

n' it goes pow pow

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Here ya go lollll

[iron fractal]

i just get angry some knife runners in games like tarkov take a player spot in the round who wouldve been nice to pvp against

[sudden fractal]

#dnd-content message the desert eagle in question

[sudden fractal]

exactly

what these sbmm kids dont understand is that the matches are always fun and exciting because what you go up against is UNPREDICTABLE

sbmm would ruin that

[iron fractal]

yup.

[hollow sentinel]

SBMM is so shit

[sudden fractal]

u dont know if the next team is gna be grey players or all purples

thats what is exciting

if u put grey players with other grey players, when tf are they gonna get anything other than greys?

they just wont ever progress

sbmm is counter productive and anyone with a brain can see that

[verbal marsh]

💪 that priest brought some guns. I approve.

[golden hemlock]

b-b-b-ut I'm a casual player! I should be given an 'easy mode' through sbmm despite this being a hardcore game!

[iron fractal]

most of them just suck and want to buy loot boxes with mommys money and think they'd do better. or they want a pve mode. or a solo mode which would be rats only

[sudden fractal]

BRO who tf made a suggestion earlier to add lootboxes that give u gear???

[iron fractal]

someone whos parents must make a lot of money to sustain that lifestyle.

[granite plinth]

Stay in normal game

[sudden fractal]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

this

[sudden fractal]

also that reminds me, if you want to play with grey players, go normal dungeon

if u want geared fights, go high roller

its as simple as that right?

[iron fractal]

but the player i died to had a green bow and i only have a grey one. its unfair.

[granite plinth]

😦 mulli

[verbal marsh]

I take first exit whenever I'm in highroller my invo is never big enough.

[granite plinth]

They will add base stuff matchmaking

Don’t worry

[iron fractal]

i hope not.

[granite plinth]

Jk

[verbal marsh]

I prefer norms cause you find less junk to extract with

[iron fractal]

all these things have been tried in different full loot games and they dont work. only true random group sizes and gear works as you dont know what to expect.

imagine how solo q would be

[verbal marsh]

I can never find anyone when I solo lol

[iron fractal]

a large portion of rats

how exciting

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

🤮🤮

[iron fractal]

ye, hope the devs never go casual gamer style like that suggestion. would insta quit myself

if we are talking about a full loot game its supposed to be hard. and very rewarding when you succeed.

[fervent crag]

Agreed,

[sudden fractal]

all these ppl saying sbmm will make the game more competitive, when infact it makes the game more casual friendly

[verbal marsh]

idk aboot you but i played baked to level the playing field, I dont strive to be gewd lol

[fervent crag]

All they need to do is Git gud

Everyone had a hard time at the beginning, but you’ll slowly get good as you continue to play. Trial and error

[verbal marsh]

I had plenty of fun in newb pugs.

having two newbs watch an og always feels good.

[iron fractal]

same. here to enjoy the game but puking every third suggestion as people want toggle pvp button LOL

[verbal marsh]

I dont like mm in any fashion dont see the point in status locking someones account. Its what ruins league lol

didn't start season with a decent mmr, go start a new account lawl

then you've players simply boosting

[iron fractal]

yup. smurfs can always smurf.

[verbal marsh]

its not really smurfing when the system is reliant on luck or receiving party help lol

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @timid pulsar

The game isn’t suppose to be realistic, Its a fantasy game mate.
Mages are suppose to be using magic such as fire ball and lightning magic.

If it’s anything decreasing the amount of damage would be best suited.

[vivid rover]

thats a good suggestion, thanks for linking it. upvoted

wizards are so bullshit

[iron fractal]

thank god you can block in discord

[rotund sundial]

who

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @jaunty bay

We call them, Bear Traps.
No need for any more movement debuffs or ranger would be broken asf just like it is right now.

[sacred hill]

#d-and-d-suggestions message @vivid rover The fun part is killing geared people while you have none. This game is obviously not for casuals and if you are a noob you can improve unless you are actually retarded.

[hollow sentinel]

unfortunately it is the latter for him

[vivid rover]

<@&988703997378584596> @hollow sentinel is calling me the r-word... people in this channel like to bully a lot

[sacred hill]

<@&988703997378584596> Its time to remove the trolls from suggestions

[hollow sentinel]

good one mate

you're literally just here to chat shit

[vivid rover]

youre the only one insulting people, this is not okay. the channel is to discuss suggestions

[wary flower]

Guys please be nice to each other 🙏
Also @sacred hill and @hollow sentinel you have been rude to other users suggestions many times already, please moderate your interactions.

[fervent crag]

Lmao, come on guys this isn’t pre-school, no need to run to the teachers(wardens) to tattle on others.
this channel is for people to discuss about the suggestions either they like it or dislike the suggestion’s, you just gotta suck it up.

[sacred hill]

I should suck it?

[fervent crag]

“Suck it up” is a metaphor meaning to accept something unpleasant.
I don’t play dirty.

[wary flower]

"I don't play dirty" said the rogue hahaha

[sacred hill]

just look at your history, you should suck it up way more

[karmic zenith]

Could we please go ahead and close this out?

[fervent crag]

I mean, i’m discussing about the suggestions which is the main topic of the channel

[wary flower]

You can all disagree freely. Just avoid being disrespectful in your arguments attacking other users intelligence, knowledge, age...

[violet sun]

how are there down votes on the rotating items suggestion

[rough elm]

Prob need different suggestion channel where people could suggest anything then a mod or someone who would quickly check suggestion if suggestion actually makes sense and then put as official suggestion and make as anonymous cuz no wonder ppl are mad about kids making stupid suggestions

still leave currect suggestion as a meme tho it cracks me up sometimes XD

And if person wants to be their suggestion acknowledged just make different channel with - Approved Suggestions and just put their name in it

[rough elm]

I can understand why someone doesn't want to be able to rotate items , but yes it doesn't make sense that u cannot rotate items at all i think all items/weapons 1x2/2x1 - 3x1/1x3 should be rotatable. Only anything above 4 slots shouldn't be rotatable

[hollow sentinel]

they did say a while ago that they didn't want to add item rotation, may have changed their minds since then however

[glacial sphinx]

I don't like rotating items cause it means you have to spend some amount of time doing that to be optimal, and I'd rather be playing the game than messing around in my inventory

[west cloak]

It's just QOL they should add it-- even if they do you can just not use it

[hollow sentinel]

I prefer they don't add it tbh

[muted crag]

Last I heard Ironmace's word, rotating items is a no-go. Its easy enough to fit a pair of new boots or coat in the same two vertical columns anyway. As for the big stash, you can store about 6 gear sets max, it aint much to deal with.

[violet sun]

I see no reason to not let you rotate items of any size, it simply makes stashing stuff less annoying

[hollow sentinel]

i'm okay with rotating in stash, but not mid-game

[violet sun]

what is the downside of rotating items mid game

[west cloak]

I mean either way you're spending a ton of time in inventory even without rotating now I'm just doing it to put my 1x1's in better spots

[hollow sentinel]

i'm just against anything that makes the game easier

[muted crag]

nah, everything is 2 units wide or less, would just cause mixing it up to much.

[violet sun]

it doesn't make it easier, it just let's you take more if you play it right...

[muted crag]

maybe thats the point.

[iron fractal]

not everyones slow as you are it seems

[muted crag]

Whats the inventory again, a 6x10?

[west cloak]

Sure ^

[hollow sentinel]

if they make the inventory a square, sure let people flip items

[muted crag]

If theres any items that cause the slightest amount of management, its 2x1s and 1x2s such as goblets and ceremonial knives.

[violet sun]

what...

what is the difference

[hollow sentinel]

it doesn't make a difference if the sides of the inventory are equal

[muted crag]

Just fill your inventory left to right and you'll be fine.

[violet sun]

sometimes I forget people can have bad opinions

[muted crag]

you mistake bad for different just as you mistake QOL for management.

[violet sun]

don't think so

[muted crag]

Such is your own opinion.

[hollow sentinel]

this so-called "QoL" is really not necessary

[agile condor]

But seriously, suggestion section is just a joke now, maybe just lock it?

[stiff imp]

Can a mod remove that stupid suggestion wishing death to children ? ID1518117

[agile condor]

Even upvoted by @vivid rover but <@&988703997378584596> still don't take any action - really confusing

[gentle blade]

Done, thank you!

I will go through the suggestions in a few seconds and will delete all unnecessary suggestions

[hollow sentinel]

man that's going to take some time

sorry in advance

[lucid root]

What kind of fun are we up to this morning

I'm tellin ya just make a highlighted suggestions channel, have the bot put all the good ones there and we can discuss those here

Not that it isn't fun to discuss bad ideas

[agile condor]

Gets old and ruins the purpose of the channel imo.... like turn this game into Slay the Spire...

[lucid root]

True...but I think good conversations still happen more than the bad ones

#d-and-d-suggestions message
I feel like this is just an alternate downvote 👀

[agile condor]

Downvote means you don't agree, not the suggestion is a troll

[lucid root]

Seems too abusable

[agile condor]

There are many valid suggestions that I just don't agree with lol

Probably

I just want to be able to hide stuff from people I've blocked on discord

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

I mean this suggestion 🤔 needs to be binned although its funny, how is a helicopter gonna fit in a dungeon

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
While I agreed with this one it's just impossible for a third party site to not fill the gap in

[rough elm]

Since everyone are making bad suggestions prob he was just trolling at that point XD

[sacred hill]

we escape with a helicopter

[sonic pendant]

i'm so glad that post is still getting traction lmao

[lucid root]

Gnome minicopter anyone?

[agile condor]

It's not even you most downvoted suggestion lol

[sonic pendant]

i know! i was shocked at that

[fervent crag]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Lmao

[agile condor]

Solo queues, helllll no - helicopters... hmmmm

[lucid root]

UwU

[rough elm]

We and the bois escaping dungeon with magical helicopter

[agile condor]

Yeah starting* to think bean and darker are the same person lol

[sonic pendant]

shout out to the real OGs who knew it was a joke and upvoted

[lucid root]

Knew it was a joke and still downvoted 😎

[sonic pendant]

we've already discussed your maximum levels of haterade, @lucid root

[agile condor]

im outa here - later, gl

[lucid root]

You'll be back...they always come back

[agile condor]

I'm going to sleep lol

[lucid root]

Let us know if you dream of any good suggestions

[distant night]

shield blocking arrows while on your back

allowing me to walk backwards with a pavise, to push a ranger

[sonic pendant]

turtle mode was discussed and approved already 🤣

[lucid root]

Approved by devs or us here?

[viral snow]

how about having a goat pet that carries all loot you can find, but you have to make sure the goat isnt hungry

and you can give it armor

[sonic pendant]

by the people making the real decisions. us here. 😆

[distant night]

could be a passive

[sonic pendant]

see

[lucid root]

Entire inventory filled with bags, my God you'd need some serious apm to be doing all that

[boreal flint]

I really think the pvp in this game promotes a toxic enviroment with looting and killling eachother... game should just be full pve with 1 healer, 1 dps and 1 tank.

[lucid root]

Hey you discovered the best part of the game

[next wing]

Git gud

[sonic pendant]

he's trolling. successfully, apparently

[inner radish]

I believe you are looking for another game 🙂

PvPvE is part of the core of this game, sorry to announce it to you.

[sacred hill]

go play minecraft my friend

[sonic pendant]

no i think he's on to something, @inner radish. maybe we should reconsider this whole "killing" our "enemies" thing, too. it's all very negative energy

[boreal flint]

hmm.. i should post my message in #d-and-d-suggestions chanel... this was probably the wrong chanel

[sacred hill]

you are a downvote hunter, arent you xD

[sonic pendant]

some people just want to watch the chat 🔥

[boreal flint]

i dont like minecraft... i play wow

but only pve

[inner radish]

I don't think a suggestion about something being toxic (in the sense of abrasive behavior) will be taken into account, you can suggest a mode only pve if you desire but I believe the devs have already said that they do not want that for their game, which is why my suggestion to you would be to look for another game which will suit better you desires 🙂

[sonic pendant]

but those helicopters tho... that's a must must must.

[fervent crag]

Well said.

[sonic pendant]

thank you.

🤣

[fervent crag]

Lol

Just read yours

[boreal flint]

Sad to hear @inner radish this game really has some potential

but with all the pvp im sad to say i think its not going to be very succesful

[sonic pendant]

alright maybe time to leave the warden out of the trolling, boss. we all get it you're a contrarian lol but they've got jobs to do

[boreal flint]

people will grow tired with all the toxic pvpers and eventually quit

[sacred hill]

describe toxic pvpers

[sonic pendant]

don't feed the 🧌

[inner radish]

It definitely does, I don't see it fitting everyone's personal desire sadly, it will be what the devs want it to be.
But again feel free to make a suggestion for PVE only mode but I think there is already a few in there, instead you could find back those and upvote it instead 🙂

[boreal flint]

someone who steals loot for their own benefit... sometimes i inspect the pvper after my death and they dont even pick up my items....

[lucid root]

If a player does the friendly crouch spam I usually assume they don't have anything and leave them alone, players worth killing are already doin some maneuvers

[inner radish]

That's the tough part 😂 seeing that they missed a dagger worth 500g on you an instead took a few trinket worth 15g .

[sacred hill]

can we add a troll boss? 🤡

[rough elm]

@boreal flint Ehm if i have full inv already with good loot and i kill you and don't take your stuff it doesn't make me toxic pvp'er ? or i'm misunderstanding

[lucid root]

Thank God for players who only loot their class items, I was revived and all my gear was still there except the jewelry 🎉

[inner radish]

Alright alright, I'm heading out, you guys keep it chill in here please 🙂 even with the trolling 😉

[sonic pendant]

he's a troll, just look away and he'll retreat to his bridge eventually

[boreal flint]

Sorry guys, i didnt wanna start any discussion... I see i've posted in the wrong chanel

[sacred hill]

i cant wait to play again and gang the pve betas

[boreal flint]

I just wanted to post my suggestion

[lucid root]

Add sbmm, mmr to profanity filter

[sonic pendant]

#d-and-d-suggestions message reposting for Helicopter awareness. Share your stories about times when the Helicopter could have saved you!

[lucid root]

You took away your own downvote, how dare you break the sacred code

[boreal flint]

Helicopters in medieval game? lol, who is the troll here?

[sacred hill]

helicopter will drop legendaries

[lucid root]

You've never seen engineers have helicopters in mmos?

[sacred hill]

its a wood helicopter with magic cmon

[boreal flint]

hmm maybe make a mosquito boss isntead of helicopter...

[sacred hill]

thats too realistic

[rough elm]

Not mosquito pls getting valheim flashbacks

[sonic pendant]

i didn't?

oh shit i did fixed.

[sonic pendant]

ahh, i didn't realize you couldn't up and downvote, the upvote was causing the down to get removed after a few secs i guess

[lucid root]

Should be a white flag of surrender cosmetic you wear on your back