suggestion-discussion

[jagged thunder]

clerics can cast heals on dead players

[sudden fractal]

ive seen so many videos with "pro wizard gameplay" and nobody other than me knows that u can do that lol

[sudden fractal]

yeah you can cast any buff/debuff spell onto dead bodies

which i think should be a feature if it isnt already

its a niche way of balancing unskilled players

[jagged thunder]

i enjoyed miscasting during a fight, made it interesting

[sudden fractal]

a bad wizard thats tryna run away will accidentally cast haste onto a dead skeleton or smthn instead of hmself

[sudden fractal]

right? even if the devs didnt intend it that way, its a very cool way to balance spells

[wide sage]

the number of times i accidentally cast invisibility on the players i was trying to run away from..

[jagged thunder]

gotta aim high

[sudden fractal]

git guud 😎

[wide sage]

yis

and git gud i shall!... eventually

[sudden fractal]

in february

[jagged thunder]

this game has an enviornment you can use and not have to use any skills at all other than outhinking them

[jagged thunder]

itll probably go early access before then

[sudden fractal]

u think?

[wide sage]

maybe make an official sherpa suggestion? this game is still early in developement so that could be a feature they can look into later down the road

[wide sage]

I don't think so. this dev team seems pretty adamant about taking things slowly

[patent sandal]

Current plan is sometime around April

[jagged thunder]

it helps the process and it could only be in EA for a few months, i wouldnt doubt another playtest before then as well

[wide sage]

yeah, theres alot of people with no real game dev sense trying to shovel their half-baked ideas into the suggestion bin and downvote anyone else

[sudden fractal]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
what do u think of my suggestion?

everyone downvoted it but i feel like i didnt explain it well enough in what i wrote

i drew an example of how it would work in mspaint if u wanna see hahaah

[terse pivot]

take downvotes with a grain of salt

[wide sage]

maybe. the blinding aspect would depend on how you approach it, maybe. if its like a CoD flashbang, that'd be bad, but if its just so bright that it obscures your vision when looking straight at it, that could work

light already has the use of being able to throw out a torch without players just picking them back up

so giving it more might rub some players wrong, since some people are afraid of giving wizards even more tools

[sudden fractal]

not a flashbang, more like being blinded by a flashlight like in tarkov

but stationary and for like 5 seconds

could be a nuissance to enemy players, and used against AI by temporarily blinding them making then unable to move

100% NOT like a COD flashbang

[wide sage]

I recomend typing up a new one and being more clear.
I made a necromancer idea that i went into detail with that people liked. someone else just said "necromancer class cause thats cool" with zero nuance and got downvoted to hell. properly outlining your idea can help alot

[sudden fractal]

yeah i was talking to someone earlier in this channel about this and they rly wanted the blind to be a projectile

which for obvious reasons would be awful

[wide sage]

just looked at the drawing. looks pretty good tbh

might be separate from the light spell, instead called "flash"? iunno

[sudden fractal]

only reason i suggested it replacing the light spell is bcuz its basically useless and no one uses it lol

[wide sage]

like i said, i've heard people talking about the current light spell being used instead of throwing torches to prevent enemy players from picking them up

[sudden fractal]

my question is, with cleric being how cleric is, what would be the point in other support classes? what could they provide that cleric cant?

[wide sage]

which is pretty good imo, wizards are just too overtuned for combat atm so utility kind of gets brushed aside

[sudden fractal]

i heard ppl suggesting monk, or druid

[wide sage]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[terse pivot]

every class has a useless skill/perk

useless can mean unoptimal

[sudden fractal]

revealing stealthed enemies would be too op i think

[wide sage]

revealing stealthed enemies would take it from a tier 1 spell to a tier 4

[sudden fractal]

with that being pretty much the only thing rogue has, being able to just remove that would make rogue literally useless

[terse pivot]

A class that can go invis and reveal invis character is basically going to be in every team comp

[sudden fractal]

hmmmm nah i think we should stay away from anything that reveals enemies

[wide sage]

if a wizards reveal invisibility also revealed his own, that could be a way to self balance

[sudden fractal]

the only think that should reveal invis enemies is footsteps

which is already the case

[terse pivot]

Maybe a lightorb that acts as a wisp, can attract fire mage aggro

attract mini boss aggro

goes down a straight path

[sudden fractal]

like i said, stealthed or not stealthed, unless u visibly see the enemy, u shouldnt know its there

thats the magic of this game

with the darkness being so dark

removing stealth would be baaaad

[wide sage]

yeah, detection will be super strong and would become a staple, thus kind of removing the idea of stealth over time

think of apex and how valuable bloodhound and seer are

[sudden fractal]

thats not a bad idea, like a flying fairy that enemies follow

[sudden fractal]

^

[wide sage]

I like this alot

[sudden fractal]

itd be kinda like fear, to get enemies away from u

[terse pivot]

Lightorb can also draw spider aggro

so u can break pots

then u will forsure use it hands down

especially nightmare pots

[sudden fractal]

or u can throw it towards other players so the enemies go towards them instead of u

[wide sage]

Might be something for my necromancer class idea, since i want it to prioritizing making use of mobs rather than just killing them (or killing them to benefit from them)

[sudden fractal]

can you stack different ale rarities on cleric with the booze perk?

i havent tried it, but if it works like potions do

then you could potentially get 20+ strength from drinking 3 ales

i think that makes cleric plenty capable by himself

[wide sage]

I think you can, i seem to remember watching a cleric drink like 3 different mugs and bodying people with fists alone

[sudden fractal]

i love that

every class is viable if the player knows how to play

[wide sage]

I just dont like the lockpick minigame in general

its way too jarring

[sudden fractal]

itd be cool if necro could re animate upto like 3 bodies to fight for him

for either until they die or for a certain amount of time

[terse pivot]

If they do implement more caster classes, I would like to see staves getting buffed seeing Crystal ball/Spellbook are the only 2 seeing play

[wide sage]

it'd be cool, but a team of 3 necromancers with a total of 9 minions would be wayyyyy too much

itd clog up everything

[sudden fractal]

hmmm i suppose

2 then

or 1, and it can be increased with knowledge stat

[wide sage]

well if you'll check out my handy dandy necromancer suggestion here: #d-and-d-suggestions message

I proposed just 1 skeleton limit, but potentially being able to bypass this limit specifically through small summons like spiders and mosquitos and dreadskulls

[sudden fractal]

thats a good idea

lets say you have a capacity of what you can reanimate

default is 1

a skeleton takes up 1 of that

so u cant reanimate more

but spiders take up 0.3

so u can get 3 of them

dragon flies take up .5

so u can have 2 of them

and so on

[wide sage]

that could work

[terse pivot]

Having a AI summon can possibly break game balance

LOS heals

Chain lightning bait

[sudden fractal]

i mean synnergy between classes would be cool

[terse pivot]

triple body block

[sudden fractal]

we kinda already have it

maybe summoned AI have less health/dmg and cant be healed

[wide sage]

maybe a combination of that capacity and a max per type. like oh you have a capacaty of 2 but can only have 1 skeleton max. freeing you up to mix up different enemy types, but not letting you cheese spam just one type

[terse pivot]

Clerics gonna keep seeing multiple changse throughout playtest

since its the only battle healer

and paladin is coming in the future as well

[sudden fractal]

yeah wtf is the difference between paladin and cleric anyway

[soft relic]

This. I definitely found support cleric to get in the way a lot. It was better to just have another class like ranger, fighter, wizard, etc to kill people faster, rather than have someone playing full support cleric.

[wide sage]

well right now damage scales too liniarly. there's no softcap or curve drop, so defenses are useless at higher gear

[sudden fractal]

will paladin have a massive body sized shield?

[jagged thunder]

what about a monk

[terse pivot]

Both classes share the fact they do mroe damage to undead

[wide sage]

if they change how damage scales it could fix alot on its own

[terse pivot]

Since its based of DnD not World of warcraft

They have access to more weapon types

the question is

[sudden fractal]

ig for paladin to exist, cleric will have to change

[terse pivot]

do they get spellmemory

or will they just be the basic q/e user

[sudden fractal]

do we think spell memory should be a skill? or just something that exists?

[terse pivot]

like ranger rogue fighter

[wide sage]

wizards specifically should just have a base spell memory, but other magic casters should have it as a skill

[sudden fractal]

an argument that can be made is that fighter can wield magic weapons but cant use them cuz no spell memory

but if fighter spell capacity could be like, 3 by default or something

then they could use stuff like haste

or zap

[wide sage]

UNLESS they make sorcerors, in which case its very fitting by DnD standards that sorcerors just get free spellcasting, vs wizards that have to learn it

[sudden fractal]

would that be op?

[sudden fractal]

theres a difference?

i thought sorcerer and wizard would be the same thing

[jagged thunder]

sorc gets spells by leveling

[wide sage]

yeah, in dnd sorcerors are born with magic ability, its a part of their being. wizards learn it through study and hard work

[sudden fractal]

never played dungeons n dragons btw, tho i rly want to someday

[sudden fractal]

i see i see

[terse pivot]

Like I can see paladins using spellbooks, and have a spell that creates a 1h light weapon that scales off will

so they can battle heal/fight

[sudden fractal]

what if paladins could use double handed weapons with 1 hand?

and be able to have shield in the other

would that be op?

[wide sage]

sounds more like a barbarian feature

[terse pivot]

thats a lot of animating work

[sudden fractal]

i guess yeah but, i think itd make sense

[terse pivot]

unless he only gets like 3 weapons to use then its not that bad

[sudden fractal]

are paladins generally tanks?

[terse pivot]

yes they can wear heavy armor

[sudden fractal]

spear, longsword, bardiche?

[terse pivot]

gonna have to look at the new QA, but I think they did a decent job with nightmare mobs having electrical parts that damage you if you hit them on a specific spot

But resistances so far

is armor/magic resistance right

no elemental implemented

i'd be fine if it was a static substat not a RNG roll substat

id rather have dps substats

but thats just me

I think keeping it simple might be better in this scenario

B3 bosses would be changed

you would have to bring specific gear

would make it more difficult for casuals to learn B3

already like 80% of the dark and darker players still havent cleared b3 ghost king/lich

prob 90

Like theres frost magic right

but theres no Mob/boss that does frost damage

so they would have to implement more mobs/bosses yet

devs said they would implement a dragon in the future

so it would only nerf wizards/ future casters PVP wise

PVE those stats are useless

unless devs implement more mobs

easiest way to implement would be make it a part of a rng substat

also gonna receive a lot of bad feedback

hard way is to program multiple armor pieces that are unique to a element/element(s)

cloth/leather/heavy

thats a lot of programming

lot of blender time

only 1 dude does the balancing

SDF

he a 1 man army bro

[wide sage]

as it turns out, thats NOT too strong, because wizards still nuke barbs at higher gear because of how hard magic scales right now. armor and magic resist is currently just short of useless

magic pen and magic true damage are partly to blame

[terse pivot]

Crypt does have a point

[vagrant stone]

true

[terse pivot]

armor rating and magic resistance didn't do well this playtest

and last playtest

last

[wide sage]

so instead of introducing all these extra damage types and systems, just focus on whats already there

[terse pivot]

yeah I agree keep it simple

[wide sage]

making it more complicated WONT make it easier to balance. it'll make it exponentially harder

[terse pivot]

I think we are expecting more ways too counter magic damage in the future

I just have a good feeling that its gonna come

[wide sage]

yes, and adding more damage types won't fix that in any way by itself

not to mention how do you gear for a frost dragon when the dungeon is rng

[terse pivot]

we said either unique craftables/static substats/new armor pieces

or have it added to the rng substat pool

which is gonna receive a lot of hate

all the sweaty players want more chances to get +3 all attributes

[wide sage]

"oh i brought my fire resistance gear but this is a frost dragon instead. damn guess I prepared for nothing and am now at a huge disadvantage" "oh i geared for lightning but the wizard is using fireball. I managed to swap all my armor to fire resistance but he just started using lightning spells instead"

its a level of prep that isn't feasible in this sort of game

[terse pivot]

fides I would just put that into the suggestion

and see how well it does

[uneven hearth]

I personally think that's balance. If you made the rogue too tough, there would be no need to play any other class. It's designed to surprise your enemy and catch them off guard killing them. If a fireball takes you out, then you either got outplayed by the mage or they properly countered you.

[terse pivot]

Like its a traditional thing to have fire res frost res

like PoE warcraft

[wide sage]

its traditional, but not universal

[terse pivot]

like its still possible

even without u suggesting it

the devs are RPG gamers

[wide sage]

just because another monkey does it doesnt make it a good idea, or at the very least not a good idea for every game

i mean yeah, if the devs like it, they'll do it

well i've noticed a couple things about the suggestion channel. once a post gets enough likes, it gets a green border, which I take is meant to flag it for review by the devs

I've also noticed that my necromancer post, and indeed a few others that did VERY GOOD aren't flagged green anymore BUT also don't have the like to dislike ratio counter

which MIGHT suggest that the devs have looked at it and have a note somewhere for it, and dont want it flagged anymore

now this is all just speculation, but yknow..

[lapis bramble]

Suggestion (put it on steam for $150 ill buy it)

[wide sage]

I mean yeah, that does make it a popularity thing, and yeah i agree there is a whole mess of problems with that

but I also have faith in the devs that they wont just auto-add suggestions that do well. I think they will very much make a note to consider at best

but thats what we want from a suggestion, no? to just be noticed

[terse pivot]

theres a lot of good suggestions not including the class suggestions

Im pretty sure they are mainly looking at those

since "class balance is currently not an issue/goal"

Like I know my wizard suggestions are getting downvoted and upvoted

just know that there are people who don't believe their class is strong and want to gatekeep their balance

But I was honest last playtest and even got cleric nerfed

despite maining cleric for 2 playtests

[unique hazel]

Any arguments as to why shields shouldn't work if they're not raised?

How intuitive is it that an arrow can go through a shield just because the arm is not pulling it up?

We already see skeletons with shields working correctly.

But on players they work counter intuitively

Strange logic.

[terse pivot]

@unique hazel Im really not sure about that

like pavise doesnt block arrows from behind

tested

[wide sage]

Well the thing about the shields is that i'm also an advocate for bigger shield varients, and with the pavise on the back, a fighter could quickly become untouchable, which could be problematic

[unique hazel]

You mean sheathed on your back?

That's not what im referring to.

[inland pelican]

Exactly, realistically they likely don't even consider the ones that aren't green flagged and only just look at the green flagged one

[unique hazel]

If it's equipped but not raised it should still be functioning. If someone shoots you and the projectile goes through the shield first, it should still stop it.

It's silly that it doesn't really.

[wide sage]

hey dood!

I finally made my necromancer suggestion, check it out #d-and-d-suggestions message

[unique hazel]

I guess everyone totally misinterpreted my suggestion.

[glacial bridge]

i dont like that a shield on your back wouldnt block an arrow

[wide sage]

Nah i getcha, and I do like the concept, but once you allow it on main hand, it opens up players to want it on unequiped shields too. it just has too much potential to go south than the benefit it would provide

[glacial bridge]

it should stay defense, but also continue to apply the movespeed penalty

[terse pivot]

Yeah I think their should be some type of skill aspect for blocking interactions

there*

[coarse whale]

add professions

like alchemy

[terse pivot]

RNG aspect of holding a shield and getting lucky might be good might be bad

adds realism

[wide sage]

I honestly see both sides. I do think it is a cool concept

make it sound like the lever broke something nearby. a loud metal SNAP, BANG.... chain rattle..

gimme minecraft cave sounds that make me paranoid as fuck

[tepid veldt]

Any comments on the fighter suggestion? I'm not so sure of it myself, I love the way the fighter is already. But it was a concept I liked

[wide sage]

link it

[tepid veldt]

https://discordapp.com/channels/988365908009447485/1048759403819577486/1057864164703490168

Like this>

?*

[terse pivot]

I think adding stats should be given through support classes since theres gonna be classes that have a buff kit in the future

[wide sage]

mmm.. hard to say, since we still don't know what the training tree feature will have. does remind me of how fighters in dnd get more ability score increases than other classes, tho

[tepid veldt]

With fighter I was thinking the max to any stat should be 20 (with a stat add system I mean)

[terse pivot]

the tree is basically all the skills/perks that we had during playtest

except you have to level to grab them

[wide sage]

I imagine that's the core concept, but they make it sound like they have other stuff they're experimenting with, too

[terse pivot]

possibly

they mentioned seasonal wipes

will characters start at 0

or remain maxed

[wide sage]

there will be another playtest in febuary

[terse pivot]

i just hope they nerf highroller ghostking

that shit is aids

[wide sage]

I've also heard people say we'll get early access in Q2 of the year

[terse pivot]

I've heard full release 4th quarter

I also heard full release 2023

I also heard early access for multiple months

[wide sage]

they've confirmed full release 4th quarter in the qna answer sheet

[terse pivot]

I forgo where i saw it

but that shit made my eyes open

server open for multiple months

[wide sage]

i dont remember seeing any official statement on early access, so people might be spreading rumors

[muted crag]

What you heard is full release in q4 OF 2023

[terse pivot]

im pretty sure i heard that from playtest#2 dev q&a

on youtube

but amount of playtests from here in unknown

also 4th quarter might not be the case

since we havent even started B1 balancing

3 playtests in and we only done B2/B3

4th playtest they said B1 is gonna be difficult to add

looks like each playtest are gonna be 1 month apart

[steady flint]

What do b1, b2, b3, etc mean?

[terse pivot]

B1 is overworld

B2 is the dungeon we start off in

B3 is hell

[steady flint]

Oh got it, thank you!

[terse pivot]

yes

[wide sage]

wait so what, is b1 going to be us making our way TO the dungeon?

[steady flint]

What does this mean then? Was there an overworld? Or do you mean the lobby?

[terse pivot]

ye bro

overworld

[steady flint]

I doubt they'll make you do a trek to get to the dungeon. Do you mean like a lobby for trading & the likes? Or is it unconfirmed?

[terse pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyc1st-NbQs&ab_channel=Modest_Mate

Devs considered what we been testing as

B2 starting dungeon/ b3 hell

even the most current qa

[pallid cairn]

bring the game back

[terse pivot]

they talked about B1 being difficult too add

so its a level

lobby is seperate

but also going to be added

[steady flint]

bad idea

the devs need to fix and add stuff players dont care about

and since players dont care about the stuff they work on theyll get mad

then the game gets hate it doesnt deserve

[steady flint]

difficult to add or too difficult to add?

[pallid cairn]

why not keep the servers up

[terse pivot]

they weren't specific

they just said its gonna be hard

thats it

[steady flint]

People would get mad the game isnt worked on the way they want, then the game would get shat on for reasons it doesnt deserve

[steady flint]

I honestly kind of hope they dont add an overworld level

I enjoy the aesthetic of it being all in dungeons

[terse pivot]

they have their own vision bro

[steady flint]

and also being in dungeons helps keep players from finding buggy spots since everything is intentionally designed

[terse pivot]

none of us know

I just follow them

[steady flint]

thats valid

[terse pivot]

overworld can still mean a dungeon

[steady flint]

I definitely want to support ironmace whichever way they go though

[terse pivot]

its a game design aspect

its based of dungeons and dragons

I dont play dungeons and dragons

im a warcraft dude

[steady flint]

I've never played either but I've watched a bunch of youtube videos on DnD

[glacial bridge]

i dont think it has that nickname

[wide sage]

I think the overworld will be in the form of like.. a cave system or a mine that leads into the crypt dungeons, which leads into hell

[steady flint]

I feel like rogues should specialize in hiding? Im not sure if that's what you mean by camping though

[wide sage]

rogue camping is a very rogue class fantasy. i see no problem with it

Seems fine to me

[terse pivot]

1st playtest was when shit got out of hand with rogues

they got nerfed 2nd playtest

[wide sage]

as a partially pvp game, players will inevitably develop pvp stratagies, and camping is a timeless tactic

what happened 1st playtest?

[earnest bay]

I think rogue camping is ok, just wish there was some sort of counterplay besides waiting 30 whole seconds

[wide sage]

I still dont see a problem. not all portals spawn in the same room

[steady flint]

Their footsteps are still audible, so I guess that's one advantage to playing solo (or having a quiet team)

[terse pivot]

pretty sure rogue poisons were overtuned

[wide sage]

and the swarm doesnt do much damage at all

[earnest bay]

Might be a skill issue ive never been able to tell exactly where they are if they're basically on top of me/around a corner

[terse pivot]

invis pots on 2nd playtest were infinite

if u stood still

[earnest bay]

just know they're there and wait it out every time

[dreamy iris]

I actually haven’t encountered a rogue camping portals

[earnest bay]

im a solo player

[dreamy iris]

maybe once? Couldn’t tell

[wide sage]

I ran into players camping portals a few times

either I ran in to fight em with mixed results, or i said "fuck that" and went to look for a different portal

[earnest bay]

I guess my point is moreso if i know where you are camping i should be able to have an advantage of some sort for that. having to wait 30 secs or just avoid combat is 😴 for me

[wide sage]

then it sounds like a dark souls mimick situation. just hit it before you use it.

[lusty wren]

Their stealth lasts what 30 seconds?

[steady flint]

I honestly think rogues are in a good spot, if you know they're there then you can wait it out, avoid them, or try to hit them if you know exactly where they are. If you don't know they're there, they get the drop on you. This has been my personal experience, but I've been frustrated far more by trios hunting me down late game circle, and I just have to choose how I die

[lusty wren]

I played 71 hours this last playtest (an atrocious amount) and never saw a rogue camping ontop of a portal 😄

[wide sage]

yeah I'm sorry man, I just think its a non-issue currently

[dreamy iris]

just gotta find out how each class can find those camping rogues if played the class right, the right additions to other classes are made

[dreamy iris]

Same, put around 54 hours of solo/team play and I never noticed rogues camping portals. I’ve seen teams locking down rooms with 2-3 portals but that’s normal

[earnest bay]

Never seen rogues camping portals either, teams for sure.

[steady flint]

I do want to point something out real quick yall

were complaining about this ages too early, as the game is in a crazy early stage of developement

the dev team wasnt prepared for so many people to find their game

and there arent even 30 of them

[earnest bay]

This game is awesome for the current stage its at

[steady flint]

can we take a second to appreciate them for making this masterpiece <3

[lusty wren]

Nah

not how it works

[earnest bay]

im sure balance will be completely redone at a later date and most arguments people have will be irrelevant

[terse pivot]

playtest#2 was their strongest iteration and what gave the game the hype into the 3rd playtest

[dreamy iris]

I think it’s important to address these issues early

[steady flint]

I kind of just like thinking about what they could add to the game

[terse pivot]

QoL

[steady flint]

though Im biased in my ideas because I like interactive/responsive environments

[dreamy iris]

I just get excited seeing fresh ideas with a lot of potential

[wide sage]

I very rarely even touch public discords, much less stick around, so

[steady flint]

games like teardown

[wide sage]

I wanna see this grow

(i also wanna maybe use it as my primary streaming game but- ahem-)

[glacial bridge]

i never encountered a portal camper. you would 100% see multiple of them every game if they tried to release a solos mode

[dreamy iris]

there’s also a million portals

[lusty wren]

far to many after the portal change imo

[sterile idol]

portal change ?

You mean hell ?

[dreamy iris]

are they planning on creating some in depth lore with this game?

[lusty wren]

Half way thru the pt they added more portals

made it almost impossible to not find 3

which was lame

[dreamy iris]

I’d love some juicy classic dungeon crawler lore

[sterile idol]

It's a bit more complicated to find 3 in high roller compared to normal, though that's still doable

[lusty wren]

Eh, I never had a problem finding three in either mode. Was a cake walk if you were in the last circle most times we saw 4 or 5

[jagged thunder]

id like to see some wall paintings or interactable statues/dungeon npcs or scroll/book items with riddles or some type of lore quest

[lusty wren]

It was fun at the start of PT where blue portals were limited and you were sometimes forced to hell to survive. Made the game much funner

after that it became only go to hell if you were still healthy and had healing. Never was forced

[wide sage]

I was forced into hell twice in my playtest

volume of portals COULD be lowered just a smidge, but I think its still a real possibility to be forced down

[lusty wren]

I dunno, my group was never forced down after that change. Though we often rushed center map to find fights. May have been part of it, but even when we got slowed down it was never an issue

[magic sage]

I think they should make the ranger a higher skill sealing because last playtest I could kill any class with just a green longbow and a white spear.

[dreamy iris]

Yeah gimme some main lobby content, like a champions hall with paintings/statues like you said, scrolls and some juicy easter eggs learning about the story in this game

[lusty wren]

Ranger sustain is to much for how much CC and DMG it puts out IMO

Ranger has ALL the tools and it becomes to much

[magic sage]

@lusty wren yea I could 2 tap anyone but barbarian with a green longbow and some damage rolls on my gear.

And still pretty effective with a spear in cqc

[potent pumice]

They really need to make something about interaction speed and magical interaction speed, i just hate that Agility based class does "everything " faster. for exemple mining could be a strength based task or praying to shrine or opening a portal be knowledge or will based task

[lusty wren]

It does not need the best CC in the game and the best Self sustain and the best single target dps

(maybe second best on the dps)

but way more applicable

[terse pivot]

i dont like interaction substats cucking my + all attribute rolls

[lusty wren]

So you are saying you could kill rangers when you are their direct counter? SURE! but this does not mean ranger needs the best CC, the best self sustain, and the best single target dmg 😄

[magic sage]

@lusty wren I think he should just take more skill nerf body shots and buff head shots and make limb shots do next to nothing.

[lusty wren]

I still dislike that it has so much utility. The very least they should nerf its self sustain.

[magic sage]

Al well as make bread basically a 20 hp second wind with 3 uses.

And make traps do very little over time damage and give campfire to like cleric or something

[terse pivot]

@snow mulch yeah, interaction/action speed are new affixes to this playtest and actually lowered gear value unless you actually needed action speed, not all classes needed it

[lusty wren]

Ya even making rations take time like a potion would work. It being instant is ridiculous

[magic sage]

🥖

[wide sage]

well not all stats are fully functional yet. I noticed some have benefits that simply arent implimented yet

so knowledge could have its own niche use on a fighter in the future, as example. same with will

[spice pawn]

just realized. given the heavy fantasy theme, does that mean that not only will there be backpacks/rucksacks, but also magic pocket dimension rings/amulets that provide their own inventory squares but have no impact on weight?

[wide sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral belfry]

https://youtu.be/Jmh4eDlNBqU here is some Cheater he upload his own vid on youtube

[wide sage]

please dont bog down the suggestion channel with jokes

[shut zinc]

🚽 lol bog

[verbal marsh]

will is already buff duration and magic resist

knowledge is likely to be involved with magic use when they add wands and scrolls

[cosmic cave]

Will increases spell power too i believe

Knowledge is spell casting speed/spell capacity/magical action speed

[tawdry falcon]

Gosh I hate people that feel the need to ruin online gaming by cheating.

[smoky yoke]

the developers said they will most likely implement an anti cheat third party like EAC

[wise flame]

Does anything increase the duration of Rogue poison, given that one of the magic power stats makes it do more damage

[inland pelican]

I would love to have "puzzles" that interact with knowledge Stat for speed

[wide sage]

nope, and im not sure anything SHOULD

[wide sage]

I like this

it seems like they intend to have some form of item identifying mechanic later down the road that knowledge is for

[inland pelican]

Also, it's about time for my obligatory monk post bump!

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[wide sage]

maybe that will play into it too

[inland pelican]

Fair

It actually makes more sense for identification

[wide sage]

yeah, puzzles seem like a player-solves thing instead of a stat-solves

but knowledge being used for similar interactions would be nice. someone mentioned how it kinda sucks that agility(or was it resourcefulness..) is a 1-stat-all for interaction speed, and i kind of agree

[inland pelican]

Resourcefulness

I mean a secret door that could be opened up using your strength for the speed would be cool

[wide sage]

my necromancer suggestion has lost its green flag and ratio tracker for the second time

what does it mean

[verbal marsh]

Rogues have higher interaction speed with chests and doors even though their resourcing is lower then rangers also.

So don't forget that its not the end all for speed for interactions.

[inland pelican]

Could be the devs don't want it, upvotes were changed or thet planned something like that already and it's too close

[verbal marsh]

will already effects debuff, buff, magic resist, and spell damage - while knowledge will likely effect wand and scroll usage for fighter

[cerulean sleet]

I suggested death animations. I believe these bring great value to a game. Something like a player kneeling down then falling over after getting stabbed or shot in the back makes kills feel more satisfying.

[verbal marsh]

I'd seen a lot of players already satisfied with the ragdoll animation

[cerulean sleet]

Its not really an animation as of rn

people just ragdoll on death

[jagged thunder]

the ragdoll is satisfying

[radiant wave]

i still laugh about every time someone dies

[jagged thunder]

2 hand hammer headshot ragdoll down the steps

[hazy cobalt]

Hard to confirm kills in the dark with ragdoll tho

[cerulean sleet]

the ragdoll is funny but it looks pretty silly

https://youtu.be/EdRLNUGmFC8?t=162

check this video crowbcat made, I linked the timestamp on how l4d does death animations, I think its great

[wide sage]

ragdoll is very satisfying

[radiant wave]

lol i want ears 😛

[hazy cobalt]

?

[jagged thunder]

i want insurgency sandstorm dismember system, no revives

[verbal marsh]

as do I xD that old diablo feels

[radiant wave]

yeah lmao

[jagged thunder]

chain lighting dismember

[wide sage]

burn the bodies

hang their heads up in open doorways

[hazy cobalt]

Throw concertina on the bodies

Wrong game

[jagged thunder]

moveable player corpse with nail and hammer items/ stakes so i can vlad tepes the center room where all the escape portals will pop

[wide sage]

staple bodies to walls to make them look still alive as decoys

[verbal marsh]

I wouldn't be opposed to being able to hitman move corpses xD

[wide sage]

hang them from the ceiling to obscure vision in a macabre display of morbid tactics

[verbal marsh]

Maybe add some dumpsters so I can cyberpunk hide the bodies.

[jagged thunder]

moveable corpses would be nice so you can drag a player to another room without mobs and loot them safely

[verbal marsh]

Someones been here- what do you mean looks like noones been here - exactly, its tooo quiet...

[jagged thunder]

next room over is 10 corpses and a wave of dead mobs

[wide sage]

dying animations are also a complicated thing. npcs behave one specific way, but players behave in many more, which can create way more death scenarios to account for. even in the video they said they made HUNDREDS of animations to make it feel right regardless of the death scenario. this dev team is only 25 people total, and animations take up alot of time. not only do most players prefer ragdolls just fine, but the resources that would go towards something like this would farrr outweigh the benefit

[verbal marsh]

Or opposedly, load a corpse and drop it in the middle of room and hide - Hey! look lewt! - Aww he must've died to the skele mage, hu hu huh hu

[cerulean sleet]

Fair enough

[radiant wave]

to bad you cant trap a corpse so when it gets looted again something bad happens lol ( player corpse )

[wide sage]

drag a body, leave a blood trail?

[south shore]

Love ragdolling some poor fella that was too slow to react

[wide sage]

watching a ragdoll head slap into the floor is amazing

gives me the feel-good

[verbal marsh]

Anyone else feel like you shouldn't get any exp if you don't escape?

[jagged thunder]

lighting strikes should delete players loot included

[wide sage]

im on the fence about it tbh

[south shore]

I see it less as the character dying permanently and more as the player learning from mistakes and improving that way. You know, like DnD.

[jagged thunder]

there should be an escape exp modifier or if you dont escape you get * .5exp

[hazy cobalt]

Less than 50% of a lobby ever makes it out of a dungeon, just seems like a way to frustrate players for no reason

[verbal marsh]

that would be cool; like 1/4th the exp if you dont escape and full exp if your ally escapes with your soul.

[dusty garden]

@south shore I made the same suggestion further up but with soulhearts ad an upvote ha ha

[south shore]

Que?

[jagged thunder]

mi ves

[wide sage]

not beneficial logic. losing is frustrating, does that mean everyone should always win? no.

[wide sage]

i do think there should be more interactions with player souls like that

[verbal marsh]

I somewhat hope they make more quest infused leveling tbh then just killing random creatures.

[jagged thunder]

consume soul for a stat buff

[hazy cobalt]

Not saying that at all. I'm just saying, adding in a system to further increase the gap between high end and lower end players is just gonna make the game even more of an elitist haven. Which, is a way of frustrating the player base for no reason

[verbal marsh]

I'm all for killing random creatures, but at some point I feel like you shouldn't get any more for bashing trash mobs.

[wide sage]

I would argue that highroller dungeons are doing a pretty good job of mostly keeping the elitists separate from the casual players, while also acting as a standard beacon to work up towards

[inland pelican]

If floor one is as easy as I hope? For sure, but there has to be some leniency or those slow to learn or with really shitty luck will just be forced to leave the game

[hazy cobalt]

Only because elitist have nothin to gain from going to normal lobby's and stomping newer players. Add in a way to ruin their day for no reason, and we have a whole new issue

[inland pelican]

Cosigned

[verbal marsh]

I feel like players should be pushed into higher difficulty content rather then hitting lv 20 on normals.

[dusty garden]

@radiant wave scroll up and ad an uovote to my suggestion brother

I made the same suggest but with soulhearts collecting

[wide sage]

I kind of agree, but I also think the nature of this kind of game means that learning to stop valuing your progression is important to succeeding

[inland pelican]

The loot tier pushes them up

[hazy cobalt]

The elists are already leaking through

[jagged thunder]

allows players to learn the ropes before going highroller

[hazy cobalt]

"players shouldnt enjoy the game, and get to a level that can actually handle high rollers before joining them"

Zzz

[verbal marsh]

High roller was just added for this playtest it isn't the end all lol

[inland pelican]

Stop giving the dog a treat for doing small things right and you won't train the dog, same here

[hazy cobalt]

"players should come in under leveled and un geared to high rollers, so i can do them easier 🤓"

[wide sage]

yes, if you want to do the difficult content, you need to get good enough to handle it.

"zzz" right back at you headass

[hazy cobalt]

That's what i literally said, nice reading skills bro

[verbal marsh]

Even in tarkov players are pushed into areas to progress

[hazy cobalt]

The loot itself IS the progression

You guys just want to steamroll low level newbies to feel better

[verbal marsh]

nah I just want to see your responses.

[hazy cobalt]

?

[south shore]

Why are you guys arguing over xp gain in a DnD styled game

It's up to the Devs on how it works, we can only suggest stuff

[verbal marsh]

you people are boring ill come back another time ciao

[wide sage]

and you want lowbies with no skill to be rewarded for free while slowly being pushed towards difficult things they clearly arent even mechanically ready for?

like what's your angle here

[hazy cobalt]

I want newbies to learn the game, get a feel for what their class does and excels at, and THEN do into the high end content, as should always be normal game progression

[wide sage]

I'm agreeing with that

[hazy cobalt]

Then why are you arguing with ME?

[wide sage]

where did we get off on two different paths lmao

[south shore]

Smh

[hazy cobalt]

You took what i said in quotes to imitate @verbal marsh thought process,as my own personal thoughts

I believe

[inland pelican]

Did nobody read my comments? Gotta give newbies some small but noticeable reward when they do something right in the dungeon otherwise the newbies bail... I like it hard, but without my second passive I was unable to do shit in the dungeon

[radiant wave]

wish id of seen that before i did my ear suggestion lol but i did give ya an upvote its pretty much the same thing and soulhearts are already in the game 🙂

[dusty garden]

exactly, hopefully the idea sticks as you aren't the only ear suggester either

[wide sage]

think i got confused with the "elitists leaking through comment" while also being irritated at the "zzz" comment

[hazy cobalt]

Neither of which were directed at you lol

[radiant wave]

yeah i believe it there are so many suggestions lol

[wide sage]

which is fine. I can have input, its just the scenario left a lapse in my understanding

no biggy now

[south shore]

The problem I have with making soul hearts into trophies is that they're 2x2, makes them harder to hold onto. Also feel like they should only be able to be taken if a time limit passes, or their full team is dead.

[radiant wave]

even tho majority hate the idea i suggested i still hope they add some sort of invisible monsters at some point

[dusty garden]

yeah wpuld need a soul pouch right?

Well there's strategy in killing an enemy and looting their soul so their team can't res

[radiant wave]

LMAO damn thats a good idea

[wide sage]

Hm. maybe like a roaming phantom that travels through the entire dungeon via walking through doors, you cant see it till it gets close, but once it aggros it becomes solid to attack and can no longer pass through doors until it de-aggros

[radiant wave]

thats kinda cool id be happy with anything like that long as it has a chance to jump scare like the mimics 😛

[dusty garden]

a skeletal mage spell that cloaks would work

they all ready do a shield and for all right

[wide sage]

yeah, im against enemies looting souls for that very reason. if you want to prevent a rez, it should consume some kind of resource, like maybe a molotov to burn the body, or something to forcefully separate the soul from the body

[dusty garden]

just get your team to kill the guy who stole the heart GG

but ears is fine ha ha

I just want wayyy more PvP and any thing that encourages it

[wide sage]

thats fine, i just think it should take extra effort to take the heart in the first place

[exotic mural]

make it take time to extract the soul and make a distinct noise to alert those nearby that the ritual is being preformed.

[wide sage]

simply looting it normally is too easy imo

[wide sage]

that could work

[south shore]

I'm still proud of coming up with that morality system

[dusty garden]

watching the lobby die to skeles and traps when you loaded in for murder and killing one poor solo wizard and extracting...gimme whole teams

[wide sage]

I like it because it both discourages that kind of behavior by alerting people, but doesn't directly ban or prevent it to a point where if you let them on your team, you kind of deserve it.

[dusty garden]

Any one else suggesting an Auction house? or trading vendor?

the mayhem and ping rewarding trade chat not sure

[south shore]

I feel like the merchants guild works, it just needs to re-enforce it's selected selling/buying sections. Like the weapons section should only allow weapons, etc

[wide sage]

however I can see it being abused by people who purposefully get red names, then attack you and force you to kill them to defend yourself, and then report you

[south shore]

I feel that if you get red named, your vote shouldn't really count as a full vote. Maybe half of one?

[wide sage]

lemme rephrase. someone thats still green decides to troll you and start attacking you for no reason. you panick and think you may need to kill them to save yourself

[exotic mural]

In tarkov, if you attack another scav and they kill you they are not punished. If they kill you without having been attacked by you they are punished.

[south shore]

Ah, well then it should be set up as a "if this player did damage to you, you did it in self defense."

[wide sage]

if thats possible to detect, then that sounds perfect

[exotic mural]

[Add counter spell to the wizard spell book. If cast while targeting another player or npc who is channeling a spell, they cease channeling the spell and in the case of players lose the spell slot.]

Hey I made a suggestion. Thoughts? Love it? Hate it? Would rework it? Why/Why not

[south shore]

It could be interesting. Question is, how many charges and what would be the int cost?

Cause that would be the deciding factor for me.

[exotic mural]

If I were to impliment it with llimited time to have considered the impact my initial thought would be

[terse pivot]

Counterspell would have to be a instant cast that targets casters

[wide sage]

my problem with a counter spell is that currently late game cast speeds are non existent, so I doubt it ever being used. might be a good early wizard tactic, though

[terse pivot]

there's no addons in this game

only animations as indicators

[exotic mural]

3 spell slots of it, 4 knowledge cost.

[terse pivot]

Counterspell probably more viable in tab target pvp

with addons

like WoW

[south shore]

You know, it could make for a good short cooldown ability instead of a spell

[exotic mural]

not a bad idea at all

[south shore]

But I feel it would need to be on a class specifically made to counter mages/spellcasters. Like an inquistor or something

Witch hunter even

[wide sage]

i think it'd be fine on a wizard. since currently their E is used up by spellcasting, their choice of Q is very important, and I think a counterspell for wizard dueling would be on brand for a specialization

[south shore]

Fair

[exotic mural]

not to mention it is one of the most respectable spells in the wizard arsenal in Dungeons and Dragons. Alongside shield, fireball, magic missile

[south shore]

Very true.

[exotic mural]

Shield was another I was thinking could make a great addition.

[wide sage]

it would but its stepping on clerics toes a little bit

wizard gets enough flak for doing rogue stuff already

[south shore]

I do feel like it would need to either stop a spell caster from using spells for a second or two, or that it just stops spells within a radius, casted or not

[wide sage]

I agree

[exotic mural]

hell the Undead wizard already has it. but I was thinking it would only last for a very brief amount of time. I agree that they should be unable to cast spells or attack while the shield is active

[terse pivot]

the closer this game gets to WoW in PvP

the bigger gap in skill is created

[south shore]

This game is nothing like WoW

[wide sage]

listen as long as im not getting cc chained to death by rogues i think im fine

[south shore]

I'm just happy there are no actual stuns in this game rn. Never fun to not be able to do anything. Hell, even Bind let's me still swing or shoot at you

[hazy cobalt]

Traps are the closest thing

[terse pivot]

Devs talked about polymorph

[exotic mural]

The wizard certainly does step on the toes of other classes. In this game and its table top inspiration.

[wide sage]

this is true

[south shore]

Can still swing while trapped, I'm just bleeding to death lol

[wide sage]

very much this. im very hesitant about any form of easy to use hard cc

[exotic mural]

I agree

[wide sage]

traps are practically a death sentence, and they require time to set up

[south shore]

And, if spotted, are easily broken

[exotic mural]

if it were implemented it would be nothing but three man stacks of whatever class could do it all the time

[wide sage]

yeppp

[south shore]

That would be utter hell

[wide sage]

someone mentioned something about small shoves, which im.. interested in, but still hesitant for that exact reason

[south shore]

Shoving could be good, but only if it's that, a shove. If it stuns me for even a second, no thank you

[exotic mural]

turn combat into a heavy, shove, light type rock paper scissors fight. It worked pretty well in the culling but I think I like what we have now.

[wide sage]

im not 100% sure how it works but blocking some blows with shields staggers the blocker just enough to not attack between blocks, which in itself feels very punishing. hard cc in general is VERY powerful in this kind of game

[south shore]

Yeah

[wide sage]

especially when a skeleton can chunk you for 1/3 your hp

[south shore]

You know, maybe a shove only pushes back players, but it pushes back AI and stops special animations like the zombie gas cloud. That feels like it could work.

[wide sage]

that could work

[terse pivot]

Any type of hard CC needs a animation/sound que

so you can avoid/counter it

[exotic mural]

or no push at all but just an interrupt in general

[south shore]

I just feel like there needs to be a way to make distance between you and AI, especially when they manage to corner you in either a doorframe or corner

[wide sage]

well i do like the idea of shoving people out of your way, shoving people off ledges and into traps, etc

just.. dont let it disable any controls

[south shore]

This is turning into the Brigitte from OW thing all over again lol

[wide sage]

a basic kick function like in chiv/modhau would be fine, even allow all classes, or at least martial classes

wym

[exotic mural]

A barbarian shout that did this would give them a slight fighting chance against a wizard.

[south shore]

OW1 Brig's shield bash CC'd anyone it hit, and while it wasn't long, it was annoying as fuck

OW2 removed the CC, so it's far more bearable

[dull tinsel]

I have to disagree, I don't think a shove is needed at all

[south shore]

Okay? What's your reasoning?

[dull tinsel]

the main focal points of the combat in general is timing and positioning, once you get caught enough, you stop putting yourself in the position to be trapped at all, AI movements can basically be controlled (you can make them move to one side of a hallway by going to that side to give yourself space to get around), once you learn how to make them move you rarely get caught in a corner by AI alone, if you are constantly running around with 5-10 AI on you, that's your poor decision making

[terse pivot]

We are talking about monk class having shove right

or just shove in general

[south shore]

Shoving in general

[terse pivot]

idk maybe if 1 class had access i wouldnt have a problem

it could add interesting plays

or it could just cheese players/mobs out of existence

[gusty needle]

Why u woting I against?

Pve mode needed

[south shore]

Nope

[gusty needle]

Yep

[south shore]

PvE already exists

[exotic mural]

would absolutely need a cooldown

[south shore]

There's PvP added

[wide sage]

bad take

[gusty needle]

Full pve, like true d&d or diablo 3d

[loud matrix]

Would be a different game entirely then.

[south shore]

DnD already has PvP as well, and so does Diablo

[wide sage]

this isnt true D&d

[terse pivot]

Anything that promotes splitting ques and not promoting current dev ideas get downvoted

always

[dull tinsel]

PvE mode is essentially an entire new game, your request is unreasonable at best, the game is in literal Alpha stages, I'm sure they want to work on their own vision before an entirely new game mode

[terse pivot]

even if ur idea is "good"

[south shore]

The devs should focus on what they wanna make, not what others want them to make

[terse pivot]

thats just how this disc rolls

[gusty needle]

This pvp type is stupid because thats like in all battleground games

Or need to be changed

[exotic mural]

As I have suggested to others if you want a pve game in this style chack out mythforce. its already a game. And its not this one.

[south shore]

If you think it's bad, don't play?

[gusty needle]

Need to be more slowly

[wide sage]

im glad im not the only one actively supporting devs decisions

[exotic mural]

PVE**

[lusty wren]

But we all know the best thing a PVP game can do for its longevity is to implement pve flags.

[terse pivot]

we had 60k players this playtest

its not even beta

[south shore]

Yeah, this is literally a playtest game

[wide sage]

where are you getting that data from

i've literally never heard that

[lusty wren]

Encyclopedia Sarcasmica

[south shore]

I don't really get that take, since PvE is already in the game?

[wide sage]

ah, I see

mb

[gusty needle]

So okay, if pvp mode will not be changed or pve mode will not be added, this game will die on release. U will see

[terse pivot]

your not the majority night

[wide sage]

just go through red portal, you rarely ever see other players

[wide sage]

massively out of touch take.

[terse pivot]

This game will die of other reaasons

[lusty wren]

It is ok not to like pvpcentric games which is fine, by why try to change them? Why not just move onto a pve game?

[south shore]

Lmao, lol
Go play something else, this ain't for you

[terse pivot]

those reasons are not released yet

as of right now

Dark and darker is successful

and we all know that

[south shore]

This game has its audience, you aren't it buddy. That's okay.

[exotic mural]

Wildly successful. People are tearing their eyes out to get another day of playtest in.

[lusty wren]

Eh dark and darker has made 0 dollars as of yet, So hard to call it successful, THOUGH If I was a betting man, id say its gonna be just fine.

[south shore]

I would pay for this game

Right now

[wide sage]

I was literally dreaming about this game for days, im hooked. its why i've been stuck in this suggestion channel all week

[south shore]

I'm an addict waiting for another shot

[wide sage]

I mean, just for the sake of topic, not all success is measured by money

[south shore]

The player count was massive this last playtest, almost every lobby filled instantly

Was nice

[exotic mural]

I hopped on the Tarkov fresh wipe today.. Could not stop running into things that made me wish I was playing this game instead. 10 minutes to get into a game? I could have already loaded into D&D, died in the first room, and loaded back in and gotten out in that time.

[dull tinsel]

I played a lot in the early AM, even at 4 - 9am EST lobbies rarely went a minute, was very nice indeed

[wide sage]

I literally found this game from how it was blowing up on my freshly made twitter account

[lusty wren]

No, but a games success has to do with UNITS sold, and revenue. Which this game has garnered 0 of. I do believe it will become successful but do not put the cart before the horse

[inland pelican]

Cosigned. If the devs wanted they would be printing money

[wide sage]

thats.. a fair take

[south shore]

A fair take, but seeing how people are clawing to get back at the game... I feel like this game is successful at being what it is. A game.

[lusty wren]

I have seen massive dev shifts before. This does not look like the case but im a skeptic at heart 😉

[exotic mural]

a fun game

[south shore]

You want to play it, not because you paid for it, but because it's fun.

[wide sage]

smart man.

[south shore]

Also, I cannot wait for voip. Being able to make friends mid match is so fun

[terse pivot]

a lot of N words gonna pop up when that releases

[wide sage]

What is voip? Proximity voice?

[dull tinsel]

I hope proximity voice is not and never becomes a thing

[wide sage]

Ah

[terse pivot]

Voip is possible

toxicity will follow through

as it always has w/ voip

[south shore]

It will. And the toxic crowd will be filtered, I'm sure.

[lusty wren]

great thing about voip is they tend to have a mute button also so if you do not like it you mute it

[dull tinsel]

and with how important sound is in this game, very small sounds make a huge difference, people runnin around blarin random shit will be not fun

[lusty wren]

This is why I will have it muted 😄

[south shore]

It'll be like Hunt Showdown: those that blare music/noise will be the easiest to hunt

[terse pivot]

Rogues popping behind you

[dull tinsel]

I dont think they can really layer it properly, I don't think they will add it, or if they do wont be for awhile

[terse pivot]

"you forgot to zip your pants"

[wide sage]

Lmao

[dull tinsel]

it would be a ton of additional stress on the servers too

[wide sage]

Theres a charm to dark games having a goofy community

[exotic mural]

Id love it, I take the good with the bad. The potential for a memorable encounter will outweigh the nonsense for me. Should ABSOLUTLY be a toggle for it though.

[south shore]

Push to talk + a mute button is a must if voip is to be added

[lusty wren]

I saw them mention voip in context of teams did they also say prox was coming in? I have no issue with it just curious

[south shore]

Pretty sure voip = voice in proximity, so ay

[terse pivot]

its been talked about by devs

[lusty wren]

Depends on the context, the context I read it in was about teams having a voice option for randoms.

Proximity means proximity, voip just means voip and VOIP does not mean VOICE IN PROXIMITY 😄

[drowsy bramble]

They said it's in next playtest. Confirmed

[dull tinsel]

dont think that's true

[terse pivot]

I remember they were very specific in how they wanted to add voip

iforgot

[south shore]

Anyways
The reason why I'm happy with the idea of voip is due to my experience in other games. Sure, you'll run into the toxic assholes every now and again, but you'll forget em sooner or later. The real things that shine are the nice folk you run into and chat with. You'll remember that for a while.

[dull tinsel]

didn't see it anywhere in the Q&A and I scrolled up and read it all

correction, I saw it asked, but I didn't see sdf address it

[lusty wren]

Yeah, i saw it mentioned in an interview for teams that are randoms but never proximity chat. I dont mind it just not sure if they mentioned it anywhere

[dull tinsel]

same, I was talkin to Azo, they said it's confirmed in next playtest

[drowsy bramble]

Maybe I was wrong

I thought I saw it. But why not have the option. Turn it off if you don't want it

[south shore]

Wrong, right, we won't know until the next playtest

[granite plinth]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Medieval Flail

[wide sage]

As a flail fanatic, it already has my approval

[lusty wren]

Last thing I could find on voip was the devs saying they are planning to use a third party solution, and that its integral to their grouping systems... Sounds like basic VOIP not proximity. We shall see tho. I do hope proximity chat comes tho because its a fan favorite feature for some reason it seems ;D

Using a third party for proximity chat sounds like a disaster

[granite plinth]

issue with voip is that it can cause server lag or disconnect / dos players if they use the wrong service. You are sending packets to the server / other player's computer when you spam the push to talk. Which if you are spamming packets it can dos.

[wide sage]

They already said in the google doc qna that our current weapons are just the basic ones they have planned. Excited to see the more wacky stuff

[terse pivot]

wands are confirmed

[jagged thunder]

use torch with an offhand weapon/throwing weapon?

[wide sage]

#d-and-d-suggestions message shameless self plug necromancer

[south shore]

Hunt Showdown does the same thing, seems to work well there

[wide sage]

havent played hunt in so long

[drowsy bramble]

Hunt seems like a entirely less interesting tarkov

[south shore]

New guns feel great

[lusty wren]

They use a third party for their proximity? Do you know the company?

[south shore]

They're only similar in that they use guns

[hazy cobalt]

Hunt is infinity better than tarkov

[wide sage]

I like the older era alot. I like old non-military guns like that

[south shore]

I forget which

[drowsy bramble]

Or that you go in for loot, go to marked extractions. Have a timer when you got to escape. All you're gear is bought. It's pvp. Etc...

[hazy cobalt]

You go into hunt games for loot?

[lusty wren]

Ur right its Vivox, which I do not know much about. I stopped playing hunt before it came in. Does it sound like its in world or super tacked on?

[hazy cobalt]

It's pretty good tbh, good directional and proximity loudness

[granite plinth]

Hunt is dumb down wild west tarkov without traders

[drowsy bramble]

Player loot/ bosses that drop something that you escape with to get currency(loot in its definition)

[hazy cobalt]

Damn, hunt and tarkov are just like cod:ghost then too

[drowsy bramble]

Really how so? What loot do you pick up in cod ghost?

[granite plinth]

Hunt is still a blast. Tarkov much harder of a game. Get PTSD coming back to it.

[hazy cobalt]

Guns, money, enemies drop ammo

[lusty wren]

Hunt is much more accessible to the average gamer, but it lacks the dopamine hits of a looter

[south shore]

It sounds great

[drowsy bramble]

And do you have a timer pushing you to extract and do you also lose everything all your gear if you die? Do you have marked extractions to go to? Is it full loot pvp?

You are reaching because you know im right. They are the same genre of game

[hazy cobalt]

Kinda, yes, yes, and no, but neither is HUNT

[drowsy bramble]

Extraction shooters

[wide sage]

I know it took a while for hunt to finally get new bosses. just had the 3 for the longest time

[drowsy bramble]

You are reaching so badly lmfao

[hazy cobalt]

You're reaching pretty badly with broad comparisons, I'm just using the same logic to other games

[south shore]

Hunt is really nothing like Tarkov. Sure they have AI, guns, proximity voice and maps, but that's it

[drowsy bramble]

It's an extraction shooter

[hazy cobalt]

Hunt has a level system, so does WoW, must be the same game

[south shore]

One is about stealing shit from the map and getting out to make money, the other is to shoot people

[wide sage]

i think the point is that despite them being the same genre, they are unique from each other

[lusty wren]

More than DaD and people are using that comparison all over the place even though its retarded

[south shore]

Yeah

[lusty wren]

Hunt is about killing bosses and extracting with its bounty (loot) to make money 😄

Pretty much wild west tarkov 😄

[south shore]

You don't even need to go for bosses most of the time, they're just a roadblock to have wallhacks

And fully healing

[lusty wren]

They are the "win" condition to take their bounty

[south shore]

Nah, the win condition is getting out alive

[drowsy bramble]

Kinda like tarkov?

[south shore]

The token is just a bonus

[hazy cobalt]

Kinda like most pvp games

[terse pivot]

when I tell people about dark and darker I tell them its medieval tarkov

[south shore]

If you don't make money in Tarkov, I'd say you lose. You gotta pay for ammo every round, Hunt doesn't have that drawback.

[hazy cobalt]

See, I'd accept that

[lusty wren]

If the win condition is to just get out why arent people spawning in and running straight to extract? 😉

[midnight crown]

They should add more muscle mass and a eight pack to the barbarian character model

[south shore]

Really, what I'm getting at is that Hunt and Tarkov share general things, but are fundamentally entirely different games at heart.

[south shore]

Many people do actually

[hazy cobalt]

Because that's the win condition, not the core ganeplay

[lusty wren]

That is kind of what a GENRE is 😄 they share certain qualities but can be iterated on to be unique

[drowsy bramble]

Thank you

[hazy cobalt]

No one was arguing genres

[drowsy bramble]

I was.?

[hazy cobalt]

Man's was saying they were the same game

[lusty wren]

YOU werent, but they were 100%

[drowsy bramble]

..

[south shore]

You were not specifying genres

At the start

[lusty wren]

This is specifying a genre

[drowsy bramble]

I was listing similarities since they are in the same genre.

[hazy cobalt]

Man's said extraction shooter after his argument that they were the same game got blown to bits

[drowsy bramble]

Everything I've said is correct

[lusty wren]

This is also mentioning the GENRE 😄 come on guys stop putting words into his mouth 😉

[hazy cobalt]

?

[lusty wren]

Sorry azo forgot to turn the ping off

[drowsy bramble]

Idc at all lol

[hazy cobalt]

This man is the type of person to say final fantasy is the same as Pokemon, cuz they are turn based battlers, but ok

[drowsy bramble]

I listed

6 major game concepts that were the exact same

[lusty wren]

Id say they share the same genre 😄

[hazy cobalt]

Want me to use your same logic to compare games like Final Fantasy and pokemon? Or you just gonna keep talking when only one person agrees with you

[drowsy bramble]

I like talking

I'm bored

[hazy cobalt]

You like being wrong

[drowsy bramble]

I'm not

[lusty wren]

This is a fallacy and should not be used in debate 😉

[drowsy bramble]

You cherry picked one thing and compared it to a random game. I told you 6 major game concepts that tarkov and hunt shared and you picked one and compared it to cod ghosts.

[lusty wren]

Which is not the same genre 😄

[drowsy bramble]

I didnt mention guns ammo walking sprinting. Or whatever specific bullshit you cherry picked. I listed concepts on the genre they share

[hazy cobalt]

People like you are infuriating, use any false logic you want, but the second the same gets used to break apart your argument, you try to back pedal to a new line of thought

[drowsy bramble]

When?

What have I changed up

I'm reiterating a point I made at the start of our conversation

The start so how am I taking a different direction with this debate?

[lusty wren]

Lets use pokemon and ff7. They are in the same genre How many core mechanics do they share?

[hazy cobalt]

You've been called out by two people about your swapped up comparison

[drowsy bramble]

Who?

[hazy cobalt]

If i cared about you, i could list several

[lusty wren]

Again using a fallacy does not help

[drowsy bramble]

Show me what I swapped out

[lusty wren]

That is the point. And you can list several things that are different though they still share the genre

[hazy cobalt]

Insufferable, I'm not wasting my lunch break scrolling up through conversations.

Proxy, who even are you? Stop being an L

[lusty wren]

Of course now its a waste because you are wrong you deflect

[drowsy bramble]

Lmfao he gives up because he knows there's no point to prove

[drowsy bramble]

Who are you? Most losing debate thing to say

Who are we all?

[hazy cobalt]

No, I'm just not wasting any more time on people who never admit fault, it's just a waste of effort

[drowsy bramble]

Because im not wrong

[lusty wren]

Admit fault? What are we in court?

[hazy cobalt]

Good day

[lusty wren]

yes good day cap

[drowsy bramble]

I admitted I was wrong earlier about voip

So how do I not admit wrong?

Wack

[lusty wren]

But did you sacrifice your first born? 😄

[drowsy bramble]

No I also didn't kneel down and suck his fallacy filled arguments so he's gone

My bad I should've

[lusty wren]

😄

[wide sage]

back from my distraction

what i miss

[hazy cobalt]

Tom foolery

[drowsy bramble]

Better arguments

[wide sage]

damn that topic really didnt get put down huh

[drowsy bramble]

Nah. But I enjoy arguing it's fun. Probably why

[south shore]

A good argument lasts a while

[lusty wren]

It was a savage time in our history best to move on 😄

[drowsy bramble]

This is true

[wide sage]

yall are great

[hazy cobalt]

No you

[somber wind]

I'm confused at why people would want item identification, wouldn't it just make looting ingame boring?

[south shore]

It would make looting a bit more like Barony

Can't tell what you grabbed until you identify it

[hazy cobalt]

It would entice me more to bring weapons and armor out of the dungeon, instead of just full jewelry

[lusty wren]

People want this? I didnt know

[somber wind]

There was a suggestion with mostly thumbs up being something like 26 up and only 3 down

[south shore]

Didn't see it

[lusty wren]

I must find this to downvote

[south shore]

But it seems like the devs already have plans for it, so who am I to deny them?

[somber wind]

It would but it would also damage the ability to upgrade your gear mid match and make getting past basic gear much harder.

[somber wind]

They also have plans for adding a weight system. I kinda want to say no to that.

[south shore]

Yeah

[drowsy bramble]

Tell Mr where it is

[south shore]

Sorta already exists in how armor slows you down

[wide sage]

being able to identify SOME items might be neat, but i feel like if it were every item it would leave you filling your inventory full of trash gear

[somber wind]

They ment for items in your inventory.

[south shore]

[somber wind]

It 100% would. I'd rather identification be used for rerolling tbh.

[drowsy bramble]

Tbh though. The devs seem really set in their ways. I can't imagine that happening

[hazy cobalt]

That's not really identification then, is it

[wide sage]

mmm im not so sure about that. at least not making it the same mechanic

[somber wind]

I'd also be fine with identification as we are speaking of to be for only unique and legendary items.

[somber wind]

"It's something you didn't realize"

[lusty wren]

Found it and downvoted, it has more downvotes then up we can all rest at ease

[wide sage]

maybe like.. you pick up a purple, you KNOW its a purple, but you dont know the specs till you identify it

[somber wind]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

This is it

[south shore]

I'd be fine with treasure being identifiable but not gear

[lusty wren]

FUCK there are more?

[somber wind]

I'd be more ok with that if it were Orange or higher. Since that's the real gear.

[drowsy bramble]

I just want the stats on items to mean more than nothing. Getting blue pants with .5% move speed on them makes me wanna die

[lusty wren]

wtf is the point of forcing players to take something out they would never use?

[south shore]

Sell

[somber wind]

I think stats like that matters more when you have multiple pieces of gear that do it.

[lusty wren]

Not until there is major QOL to that system

[south shore]

But armor and weapons sell for shit and should only be put on the trading

[somber wind]

"Selling Unidentified Items", I would never buy that. Who would ever buy that?

[drowsy bramble]

So I can combine and have 2% move speed?

[wide sage]

currently gear rarity doesnt effect sell price, so that needs to be fixed

[somber wind]

I think that rolls as high as 1% yeah I think sub 1% is abit much on CERTAIN modifiers.

[drowsy bramble]

The only reason I mention is

Why would I take those

Over green pants with plus 5 weapon damage or plus 3 to all stats

Better tier gear should increase the percentage modifiers

[south shore]

Cause you have it then and there

[lusty wren]

If i do not know what gear is im just incentivized to ignore it and grab best gold per slot, and just buy my gear tbh

[drowsy bramble]

This

[somber wind]

I feel like if we ever got Identification Scrolls they should have multiple uses like 1 Scroll is 10 identifications. In addition, if you ever extract with items, all items are instantly identified.

[wide sage]

thats what i did lmao. equip gear that looks better than my current gear, drop the old piece, fill my inventory with gold and trinkets

[south shore]

Again, I only think the treasure items should be unidentified at first and gear should always be known. Like, come on, what if I find a cool looking sword but can't tell the damage it does? That would suck

[lusty wren]

but what value does trinkets having to be identified bring?

[somber wind]

TBH I think if Identification gets added I'd ONLY grab jewelry instead of items since even if I get a purple the likelihood of it rolling good isn't high so I'd rather just stack up on gold so I could go to the trading post and buy items that ARE identified.

[somber wind]

Yeah It'd kill the game to me tbh

Like not entirely, I'd still want to play

but I wouldn't want to play constantly

compared to now

[south shore]

Nothing

[somber wind]

You know what I know how to do identification in a way that doesn't harm anything

[south shore]

Just like unidentified items wouldn't bring much besides annoyance

[somber wind]

So they want a stat that buffs identification already

[wide sage]

i already ignore what trinkets i grab. i've never grabbed so much that i had to start picking and choosing between grey and green trinkets

[lusty wren]

I see, I must have misunderstood your comment I guess

[drowsy bramble]

I had this problem all the time.

[somber wind]

what if, there are identification scrolls; they only identify trinkets (such as goblets and such). The goblets and such work as they do now BUT when you identify it based on your identification stat there is a % chance to UPGRADE the rarity of the item by 1 stage and then it gets a modifier being "Identified" meaning you cant identify it again.

[lusty wren]

I often conflate jewelry for trinkets i move so fast grabbing them 😄 I get out of raids like OH SHIT look at this ring

[somber wind]

This would be a way to do it without changing anything about the core loop.

It'd just make it so people identifying gear could increase worth of stuff like goblets for themselves.

[wide sage]

hm

[somber wind]

It'd also provide a market where people would be selling unidentified goblets/etc.

So if something sold for 30 and identified it sold for 50 someone would sell it for 40 since they cant identify it.

Kinda like how people sold candy canes since they didn't want to stock up

[drowsy bramble]

Seems like it would add a lot of time between games

When I could just sell to the collector and get into the next game

[somber wind]

It would but I'm just trying to find a way to solve the identification thing other than just

[lusty wren]

sounds like it would be extremely tedious

[somber wind]

removing identification

which I would love but still

trying to appease the ideas of the devs

in a way that doesn't kill it

LUL

[sudden fractal]

what is identification and how will it work?

[lusty wren]

did the devs say they want identification of items in?

I must have missed that memo

[somber wind]

It's already apart of one of the stats, it's just not functional @lusty wren

Let me find it

[drowsy bramble]

Damn

[south shore]

There's a Stat specifically for identifying shit

So

[drowsy bramble]

So it's actually going to happen

Fuck

[south shore]

I'd say it's planned

[lusty wren]

Please do cus I have not seen this and would like to see what they have to say on the matter

[sudden fractal]

yeah but wtf is it gna do?

[somber wind]

In FAQ

" -- Knowledge (KNOW): +Spell Casting Speed, +Spells/Spell Count (not yet implemented), +Item Identification Speed (not yet implemented)"

[south shore]

No clue

[drowsy bramble]

What if

[somber wind]

In all likelihood it will work like Diablo

where you right click it

and it shows what it does

[drowsy bramble]

No wait

It's just gonna be the tarkov thing

[somber wind]

but speed would be how long you interact with it

[sudden fractal]

is this on the wiki? Spell count has been implemented already tho

[lusty wren]

ya sounds like tarkov identification. Which I dislike but we shall see. Id rather just tell the devs to consider changing this shit feature 😄 but ya we shall see

[wide sage]

I like to think that item identification will be tied instead to like.. dungeon puzzles

[drowsy bramble]

When you open the body it would slowly or quickly reveal the items

[sudden fractal]

spell capacity*

[somber wind]

#❓faq message

This is it

[somber wind]

AH ok i'm WAY more ok with that

fuck identification scrolls like barony or ultima