q-and-a

[paper dome]

Does anyone know the different benefits to the wizard catalysts?

Obviously the sword is a sword but whats different between crystall ball and book

[whole sluice]

Not sure, don't do much tech help, might be able to try asking in another channel

[whole sluice]

The differences between the various magical casting items and weapons are this: They differ in movement speed penalties, utility, and casting animations (Not speed). Each have specific uses. For instance, the crystal sword is great if you want to be a battle mage and cast spells while also bonking people on the head. The staff is terrible for halls because it has wide casting animations, but also lets you bonk slightly stronger than sword. And some don't let you bonk but only cast spells.

[ionic bear]

ok thanks for help

[pale nova]

I believe book and ball also let you use a dagger right?

[paper dome]

ahhh forgot about wizard's ability to use dagger

[weak plaza]

only ball, book is 2 handed

[pale nova]

Ahh okay well theres a big difference between ball and book then

[ancient plover]

How do you cast magic missle i keep only getting one projectile

[pale nova]

stand still after casting

any movement stops it

[inland niche]

How does cleric resurrection work? My friend has tried iot 3 times and it hasnt worked yet

[whole sluice]

Can't move while casting the spell (It has like a 20 seconds cast time) Can't have anything hit a wall or it will fizzle. No one can have moved the soul from the body

[inland niche]

ty

[meager crater]

fill bar up then unleash it while looking at the player you wanna resurect and dont move nd dont move your crosshair

[fading stag]

Mister mad cow, I saw a big door underground next to the lava monster, this the door ?

[whole sluice]

Most likey. Did you have to jump on floating lava mushroom thingies?

[fading stag]

Ah yes

[whole sluice]

Yup

[fading stag]

Do you have to kill angry lava monster to get in or no

[whole sluice]

You open that door and there is a lever to make a bridge going across

No, you can avoid it, but it will be a HUGE pain in the ass if you don't

[fading stag]

How do you kill the lava monster he barrage me with fire

I cannot melee him very well

[maiden delta]

is there any way to reset merchents other than waiting for timer?

[crisp lion]

How much health do you think that lava monster has? @whole sluice

[whole sluice]

Complete/fail missions

[whole sluice]

Not really

[whole sluice]

Dunno tbh, we didn't really document monster HP/DMG values this test

We ignored him tbh

Just wanted to see what was behind the skull door and then moved on

[amber pivot]

Stupid question. Last time i read a spear, it was fighter specific? or is my memory wrong? because rangers have a skill with Spear right?

[whole sluice]

Equip the skill and then they can equip the spear

[amber pivot]

oh hell, that makes sense

[whole sluice]

😄

[amber pivot]

ive been a lvl 20 ranger for ages now and have always wondered why i couldnt use it lol

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-19118236

[golden cedar]

I heard that they may be adding one handed weapon parry?

[whole sluice]

I don't believe so

2h would be the ones to get parry systems

One hands get the benefit of using a second weapon, shield, or spell foci

[golden cedar]

I hate having no way of protecting myself or getting away after getting hit on rogue

[fading stag]

What chance on golden key?

I kill him like 12times no key

[whole sluice]

Low, 5-10%

[ionic onyx]

does strength add 1 base damage

[whole sluice]

No, it adds physical power which is a % increase/decrease

I'm actually working on the stat distribution sheet now

[ionic onyx]

how much % does 1 strength add and how about agility?

[paper vault]

whats the diference between grey, withe or, blue spellbook?

its says exactly the same but the color

[whole sluice]

Nothing right now

[whole sluice]

Again, working on the sheet now. It's not simply +% because the game has a neutral 15 stat. Anything less than 15, I.E. 13 strength is a -% for stats. Anything above is positive

[paper vault]

@whole sluice thanks for the answer

[whole sluice]

Sure thing 🙂

[hollow silo]

I've had my cleric's resurrection spell fail to resurrect a teammate twice now, not sure what i'm doing wrong. Any help would be appreciated

[cursive flint]

On level 3 we ran into a boss that shot at us pillars of fire. Is that the new final boss mechanic or a completely new boss?

[whole sluice]

Can't move while casting the spell (It has like a 20 seconds cast time) Can't have anything hit a wall or it will fizzle. No one can have moved the soul from the body

[remote pecan]

It is a very, very long cast time. You have to keep your cursor on your ally for like 20+ seconds.

[cursive flint]

I had it work just did the spell as advertised so it definitely works

The animation and sound effect are amazing btw

[flat path]

can you check for mimics by hitting the chest

[whole sluice]

Arrows used to be able to depending on how far they went in

[fading stag]

Eh Mister mad cow, how do u kill the ghost king guy

[whole sluice]

But haven't tested this round

[whole sluice]

😄

But honestly, avoid the guysers while always moving to do damage to the boss. Haven't really focused on him and/or strategies as that wasn't the purpose of this playtest for us.

[hollow silo]

yep. i didn't realize that you need to stand still after the initial bar fills. thanks!

[flat path]

but they can't anymore?

[whole sluice]

Dunno, haven't tested it this test

[hard mauve]

Man I wish shields better blocked being shot from the front

[drowsy kite]

are the other floors part of the same lobby or a new lobby is made with more players?

[grand socket]

How to escape B3?

[whole sluice]

Same lobby. So if everyone is dead, you are the only ones there

[whole sluice]

There are a total of 4 blue portals to get you out. They spawn in 1, 1, and 2 groups

[grand socket]

When do they spawn? Or are they there from the stop?

[whole sluice]

Same as previous map, within the white circle

They are made on the 4th, 3rd, and 2nd to last transition phases

[grand socket]

I'm guessing there is no announcment in the kill feed like B2

[whole sluice]

If players are in there, yes the feed is the same

And it announces when the portals spawn

[grand socket]

Ah okay, I remember being in there and not seeing any announcements

[whole sluice]

They don't start until near the end

I know the last 2 spawn roughly around the 2 minute left mark

So my guess is none of them spawn until maybe 3-4 minutes left?

I haven't checked and didn't write it down, too much to keep notes/track of P:D

[grand socket]

OKay, I'll keep an eye out, got someone in there right now lol

[whole sluice]

Wish them luck. Take it slow and it's fairly doable with okish gear

Hardest thing is just knowing the layout and knowing enemy patterns because everything down there hurts alot 😄

[grand socket]

Yeah, around 3 minute mark the first two spawn like 10-20 seconds apart

[whole sluice]

Yup

[grand socket]

Is there any say on if they plan to add 4 person groups?

[twin narwhal]

Does the hellhound count as undead?

[last juniper]

How does the spell capacity / Spell memory works? I have +2 and Spell memory 0/2 on lobby.. can anyone explain this mechanic?

[merry lily]

Think it would be a demon but idk

[whole sluice]

They are looking into it, but right now they really like 3

[whole sluice]

I don't believe so

[whole sluice]

Right now spell capacity isn't functioning in the game yet

[merry lily]

Keep it 3 fuck 4s 3 is the perfect number

Any more than 3 and you might as well make this mordhau 2 and give us a field it's already crowded m

[whole sluice]

I think 3 is pretty solid. 4 is too much friendly fire in already cramped areas

[last juniper]

@whole sluice would be good to add a (Not working yet) text, right next to those things (Attributes-mechanics) not wrking

[whole sluice]

I'm not a dev 😄 However, the stats do say that

[last juniper]

Yeah I know, just thinking out loud

[merry lily]

Is there any rumors for a beta before Q4?

Also if so 1 wipe please none of this beta for ever wiping bs like tarkov or star citizen.

I want to grind once I have a life.

[whole sluice]

Only thing mentioned is the original plan was possible Early Access Q2/April 2023, and release Q4 2023

[wicked summit]

Is there a way to stop the trading chat from moving like crazy when your trying to look at the stats of something specific

[whole sluice]

Unfortunately not, that feature was added this playtest. I would suggest posting feedback in #feedback-hidden-archive

[leaden jacinth]

Does the rarity of the wizards weapons increase spell damage?

[grand socket]

Well the progress you make get wiped at some point as the game is developed?

[whole sluice]

No, grey-blue spell foci do not really matter currently

[pastel shore]

how does pickpocket work?

[whole sluice]

Everything is wiped between playtests so far

[whole sluice]

If you have it equipped you can approach an enemy player in a match if you are within touching distance. A prompt will come up where you can 'pickpocket' them. You will then 'steal' one item from their non-equipped backpack. If they have nothing to steal it will let you know

[grand socket]

How long will the current playtest last?

[pastel shore]

bro at what point would you be able to touch anyone lmao

[whole sluice]

Invis/hidden next to a gold pile/treasure chest. It's kinda memish tbh

[whole sluice]

It ends in roughly 29 hours

[grand socket]

Ahhh, when does the next one start?

[whole sluice]

No mention of the next one yet

[grand socket]

Oh wow, I just started playing so I guess the fun is over for now lol

[raw pond]

Can two people go in the same extraction portal

if they interact at same time

[grand socket]

Nope

[whole sluice]

No, each stone is a way one pass. However, the second to last transition on B2 has groups of 3 that can spawn to escape or to go down

[ruby meteor]

can anyone tell me what nimble hands actual mechanics are? is it a flat atk speed boost or is it only if you shoot, move, shoot, move?

[errant oar]

Although each stone is a one way pass, theoretically could it be possible for 2 people to use the portal on the same tick

[untold aurora]

does anyone know what the difference in wizard weapons is?

[whole sluice]

Attack speed when shooting

Passive

[whole sluice]

The differences between the various magical casting items and weapons are this: They differ in movement speed penalties, utility, and casting animations (Not speed). Each have specific uses. For instance, the crystal sword is great if you want to be a battle mage and cast spells while also bonking people on the head. The staff is terrible for halls because it has wide casting animations, but also lets you bonk slightly stronger than sword. And some don't let you bonk but only cast spells.

[ruby meteor]

thank you

[untold aurora]

do better staves make your spells do more or just the bonk?

[flint sky]

it is one portal to escape per person

@here

[whole sluice]

Bonk

[whole sluice]

Yes, each stone has 1 portal created when used. There are groups of 3 that spawn together towards the end of the 2nd to last transition

[tribal kayak]

Can someone elaborate on spell capacity bonuses?

[whole sluice]

That stat/feature isn't implemented in the game yet

[tame violet]

What are the odds of golden key

Killed that mf a couple of times and didnt get a single one breh

[whole sluice]

If it's like previous testings 10%

[tame violet]

Pain and suffering.

[whole sluice]

😄

True

[white elbow]

Is there a mechanical benefit to dual wielding that I am missing as a rogue? Only benefit I see is using rapier and dagger so I have the range for PvE when I'm with a ranger duo

[whole sluice]

Animation cancel, stat sticks and combo chambering

[white elbow]

What's the animation cancel technique?

[whole sluice]

If you want to go straight from one attack combo to another without having to swap. So offhand dagger has wide sweeps, sucks for halls, but has a great finisher. So start with the rapier until they get in the open and then swap over to your other

[wind scaffold]

what is a coin purse good for?

came to the discord just to ask that tbh

[white elbow]

Storing coins

[whole sluice]

Holds 50 gold

[wind scaffold]

even if you die?

[white elbow]

In one slot

[whole sluice]

No, just helps declutter inventory

[white elbow]

It's for stash space

[wind scaffold]

dang

was hoping it was some sekiro style stuff

[waxen oar]

will D&D have match making eventually?

[whole sluice]

They haven't said much about matchmaking, but they did mention that they wanted to have 'high roller' lobbies. Basically where the best geared/skilled players go to private lobbies

Whether that is in addition or instead of matfchmaking dunno

[rigid crag]

What happened to the leader board? I can't see it's content any more.

[whole sluice]

Dunno. Server issues? Fixing exploits, 🤷

[flint crater]

Does a potion of protection and the mages reactive shield/clerics protection spell stack?

[whole sluice]

I don't believe so, I think the stronger effect replaces the weaker

[harsh wharf]

Does drinking two potions of healing double up the effect tick? Or simply waste a potion?

[whole sluice]

It refreshes it

So you kinda waste a lil

[harsh wharf]

Thank you!

[whole sluice]

Sure thing 🙂

[harsh wharf]

This game, and discovering the mechanics, brings me back to elementary and middle school with Diablo; as well as finding Tarkov or CounterStrike or Daggerfall for the first time. Well done, team!

[whole sluice]

Yeah, old school is best school 😄

[willow fog]

does a spell book make it so a cleric no longer needs spell memory to cast the spells?

[rigid crag]

p. sure drinking different grades of potions stack though

[whole sluice]

No, you still need that equipped

[whole sluice]

It did last test, haven't bothered to try this time tbh

But since they fixed +phys healing I'm fine even if they do stack now 😄

[solid vault]

do invis potions last forever?

unless i move

[whole sluice]

As long as you don't move or take any action

[solid vault]

seems a little too strong then despite not moving

but i like it

[whole sluice]

It's situational and because you can't move, as long as people don't think you're around it helps.

Good to wait for people to pass by or ambush

[pearl mulch]

is there a list of stat points and what they do?

[whole sluice]

It's slightly outdated but check #❓faq

[pearl mulch]

ty

[whole sluice]

Sure, lemme get you a screeny of in game

Also slightly outdated, was just in a trade

Most of that is correct, AGI does NOT give +move, resource helps with interact speed

[meager crater]

resource giving item slots later interesting could

[left goblet]

Hello there. I tried this game. managed to win a fight take some loot and extracted successfully but could not figure out how the stash works. Does it work actually? Or am I supposed to take all my stuff like money with me on every raid until I die eventually?

[whole sluice]

Stash is your bank. If you die, anything in your stash is 'safe'.

[left goblet]

I thought so but I cant put anything in there.

It just won't let me do that.

[whole sluice]

Try relogging

I know that at one point there were some server issues preventing moving some items over

[left goblet]

oh. it worked eventually. lol

[whole sluice]

😄

[left goblet]

tried now after 10 min afk

[whole sluice]

Ah

Yeah, if it happens again it might just be a logging issue

How you liking it so far?

[left goblet]

pretty much ))

also does my stash shared between my characters?

that would be awesome

[whole sluice]

No, each character has their own private stash

Nothing shared

[left goblet]

thanks

[left goblet]

actually I was like "wut?!?!? how I died?!?!" at couple first runs (maybe 10-20) until I reached lvl 5. Then I got some feeling on how play rogue but I'm pretty sure I'm still trash ) at least I started to win skeletons and zombies 😄 happy about it. pretty hardcore game.

[whole sluice]

Yeah, rough start but great fun once you get over the starting hurdle 🙂

[left goblet]

also some adrenaline moments are there. I liked to evade full squad while playing solo by going into dark and suddenly found a portal. opened it and extracted. that was unexpected. 3 guys were surrounding me but could not catch )) awesome stuff

[whole sluice]

Glad you're enjoying it 🙂

[fierce heath]

What are the best fighter skills?

[whole sluice]

Depends on playstyle honestly. I'm not a fighter main so can't comment too much.

[warm furnace]

does the blue campfire have a longer duration?

[placid anvil]

Can I trade items from my rogue to my fighter using the trade system or would it need to be another player logged in only?

[whole sluice]

No, faster to deploy @warm furnace

[whole sluice]

You would need another player

[visual dagger]

mostly sprint / second wind

[left goblet]

btw what campfire does?

[warm furnace]

heals and recharges some skills/spells

[whole sluice]

Heals HP, restores spent skills and spells

[fierce heath]

what do you think is good for Cleric? I've been using smite and spells

[placid anvil]

Rip, got a good set of dark plate on my rogue and wanted to get it to my fighter

[warm furnace]

when does it not restore skills? it does not restore the bread ability 😦

[whole sluice]

hehe. I find WAY too much gear for my fighter friend than myself 😄

[left goblet]

uhh great!

[whole sluice]

Doesn't refresh Ranger heal ability

[warm furnace]

cant a little guy spend 18 gold for 60 hp in heals?

:)))

[whole sluice]

Can't make more bread/find berries in a dungeon

[placid anvil]

Judgement is massive for damage on both ai and especially players, I always run it, I don't even use spells on solo cleric, I use smite as my second

[visual dagger]

smite is probably best for pvp

[placid anvil]

I like my fighter purely because gearing a fighter is way easier than nearly any other class, but I love the interact speed, and attack speed of rogue so I swap between both

[quartz gale]

what is the point of the castillon dagger. i feel like i dont do extra damage/attack faster with it

[whole sluice]

The third attack in that combo does like a HUGE amount more damage

[quartz gale]

oh dang

[whole sluice]

When in game, look at your character sheet in detail and it will show you the combo damage bonuses

[tough dust]

is body armor body part specific? or it adds up to minus a %? watched ally get 2 shot by basic skeleton with 70chest piece on and other higher gear.

[whole sluice]

The first 2 swings are VERY wide, so sucks in hallways though

[whole sluice]

No, armor is just a total reduction of damage from a source. Only body locations matter for modifiers like Head, 150%, torso 100%, and limbs 50%

[quartz gale]

where do you see that

[whole sluice]

And then at the bottom

But it won't show unless you are in a mission, stash doesn't show it

[quartz gale]

ohhh

[tough dust]

I've just noticed amor doesnt seem to do much in pvp or pve.

[whole sluice]

It can, depends on how much you have

[frank lichen]

gold door top of tower how do I open it

[whole sluice]

I'm working on the AC tables now

It also depends on the weapon doing damage

Fast weapons get hurt a lot more with higher armor values then slower higher base ones

And as a heads up, AI almost ALWAYS hit your head, especially archers

[unborn mica]

need skeleton key

[frank lichen]

where do you get that

[unborn mica]

Pretty sure only from the lich boss in the red portal area

[whole sluice]

Gold door needs Golden key, not skeleton. Skeleton key is for another door

Gold key is from the Skeleton Captain mini-boss under the golden door

The skeleton key is a drop you can find on the ground in one of the B3 map variants, nothing to do with the lich

[unborn mica]

Wait is it a guarantee spawn the golden key?

[whole sluice]

No, 10%

Just like the Golden key

[unborn mica]

I see, thank you

[warm furnace]

does the one in the dining hall have a chance too?

[whole sluice]

Dining hall?

[whole sluice]

My pleasure 🙂

[warm furnace]

yeah theres a dining hall somewhere on the map with another skeleton captain in it

[whole sluice]

Oh, no skeletal captains are just an enemy type

[quartz gale]

so should i use just a castillon dagger over a rapier

[warm furnace]

that specific one is a boss though?

[whole sluice]

The one for the Golden Key is specifically only in one spot. Base of the tower behind the double doors

They are all the same

[whole sluice]

Really depends. I personally like the extra couple inches the rapier gives me, especially for PvE

But the daggers are better at stacking your poison (If you use it) because it's based on attacks. Also dagger has slightly more damage

[sand sparrow]

It took me the whole play test, but I finally figured out where blocking fits in to melee

Now to test shield stagger

[whole sluice]

It takes a bit

Parrying takes even longer to

[quartz gale]

when does this playtesdt end

[whole sluice]

In about 27.5 hours

[burnt badger]

any plans to add a dodge type movement to make melee combat a bit more complex?

[whole sluice]

Not a dev, but I think they are wanting to keep combat more simple and focus on positioning and tactics instead of things like that

[wanton dove]

what does resourcefulness do and is there a place i can bug report for minor bugs?

[whole sluice]

#989065208087576596 and Resourcefulness increases Regular Interaction Speed

[wanton dove]

thank ye

[whole sluice]

Ye be welcome laddie

[proper tree]

Oh Sage Madcow, what does Magical Interaction relate to?

[whole sluice]

Interacting with magical devices. Portal stones and shrines. However, I don't believe it's working correctly because shrines still feel slow with wiz/cleric

[proper tree]

Much obliged 🤎

[unborn mica]

Question about going to the 3rd layer with the red portals. Does it put you in a new lobby or do you stay in the same lobby you were in before going down

[whole sluice]

Current lobby

So only players that survived and go down in that playsession go with you

[fierce heath]

what are the best perks for cleric? in a group

[unborn mica]

Thanks

[unborn mica]

The one that heals you for a bit that you heal others is really nice

I use kindness, undead slaying, advance healer, and blunt weapon mastery

Though I've seen people use the brewmaster perk and do well with it if you wanna be more aggressive @fierce heath

The only ones seem pretty bad to me

[ancient plover]

is there anyone that can tell me what each of the stats do i.e. str agility

[unborn mica]

bottom right in the lobby screen there's a guide

Called fopdoodles

There on the class screen has desciptions of what the stats do

[ancient plover]

Thanks!

[whole sluice]

Thanks Coma 😄

[sick shard]

How do you deal with the purple circle on lich king that 1 shots you

when he targets a player and puts it around them

[whole sluice]

Stack everyone together

[sick shard]

gotcha

[whole sluice]

It splits damage across everyone

If it's red, do NOT stack up 😄

Split up

[sick shard]

sick, is that the only mechanic other than dodging his stuff

[ancient plover]

So there is no way to get more range dmg from stats

[whole sluice]

Basically

[sick shard]

gotcha

[whole sluice]

Str or +phys damage

[ancient plover]

oh you are right it just states phys dmg

thanks again guys

[whole sluice]

Although, don't ask me how strength changes crossbow damage mechanically 😄

[whole sluice]

Sure thing!

[sick shard]

You can, my purple longbow build is up to 126 headshot damage

[ancient plover]

You pull it back farther

duh

XD

[whole sluice]

😂

[late zinc]

How many maps in this playtest?

[whole sluice]

2 floors, with a couple variants for each one

[young pollen]

what does each stat do again? I've forgotten

specifically Will

[unborn mica]

@young pollen

[young pollen]

thank you

[pale fossil]

how long do the mummy clouds last? had one last like a whole 30 damn seconds until it snuck up on me while looting

[whole sluice]

They last a good while

30 seconds sounds about right

[pale fossil]

extremely annoying 👍

[unborn mica]

If you have a high damage weapon you can stun them, I know on my cleric with a war maul I would stun them out of the animation

[pale fossil]

random enemy proced cloud and then ran away, fought random off for like 30+ seconds, decided to loot

cloud was still active and hit me for the 1hp i had left

pain and agony and suffering

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/patrickpain-patricksomuchpain-patrickfleas-spongebobpain-spongebobsomuchpain-gif-18151897

[unborn mica]

Actually I don't know if it's just damage that stuns them or if it's because it was like a big 2H weapon

[whole sluice]

Enemies can be staggered now

Bigger weapons stagger easier than little ones

I think enemies share a similar mechanic to shield stability

[wicked summit]

what is magic interaction speed

[whole sluice]

How fast you interact with non magical things like portals and shrines. However, I don't believe this is working as intended because portal stones still seem slow on high magical interact characters

[stuck mica]

Portals and shrines seem pretty magical to me lol

[whole sluice]

hehe 😄

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-unicorn-leopluridon-gif-15399954

[warm furnace]

rararara

[shut geode]

alright how tf do i cast spells as a cleric? i set it to healand then what

[whole sluice]

Right click with a spell item/weapon equipped

Like staff/book

[shut geode]

wait i need a book with cleric?

[whole sluice]

To cast spells yes. You start with a staff so you can use that if you don't want to use the book

[shut geode]

goddamn it, i knew something was wonky

ty

[whole sluice]

haha no worries 😄

Best of luck in there

[short briar]

What are the boss mechanics.

[stuck mica]

I only know the litch, they can shoot an instakill purple orb that you have to dodge, and can create a weird purple ring around a player, when the purple ring appears, everyone in the party needs to group up on that player to avoid them taking major damage.

[twilit sparrow]

Does Additional Magic Damage only apply to spells that do magic damage, or does it give bonuses to melee damage and ranged damage too

[stuck mica]

The litch resurrects the skeletons around him too

[whole sluice]

Anything that does base magic damage now does more

But if it doesn't do magic damage normally, it doesn't get it

[candid imp]

The ghost Flys up in the air and slams down and you need to dodge it by jumping

He does a full room DOT which I haven't figured out

And he throws himself at you which i think you can see coming and run away from

[twilit sparrow]

Just to check, this has actually been tested on the testing dummy at some point, right?

If that's actually how it works then I feel a little bit dumb but also terrified because I'd been using a bunch of +Magic Damage gear earlier on a rogue thinking it gave bonuses to my melee hits, and me and a buddy went on like a seven game extract streak with over 20 kills

[iron rivet]

What happens if you dont draw the bow fully? Does it affect damage,speed, accuracy?

[stuck mica]

Just curious, but if you bypass someones armor absorption with something like reckless attack, and they have no armor on, does it do nothing or does it set a players armor absorption into the negatives?

Ive tested on dummies and reckless attack does nothing to them, unless im going crazy

[whole sluice]

Yeah, it has to have the base stats, been tested.

[whole sluice]

Just velocity

[whole sluice]

The character screen shows -armor values, so I assume it would go below 0, but hard to confirm. And I don't know if the dummy does the same as a player 🤷

[stuck mica]

I tested on dummy, same damage values but i dont know if they compare to player, i might need to bring in a naked cleric friend to test damage

[whole sluice]

I hurt my friends a lot for testing to 😄

[twilit sparrow]

Wew fucking lad then, I'd have been doing about double damage then if it'd been phys bonus, that's insane

[whole sluice]

Yeah, its dumb. I can PUNCH the dummy for over 100 with the right setup

[twilit sparrow]

Eh, I don't quite think I'd say dumb, but the difference between starter gear and decently geared is just like

It's a huge gulf

[stuck mica]

Lmao ive resorted to using punches when chasing rangers, you cant catch them with weapons out as barb, luckily barbs strength lets you deal fist damage thats stronger than a starting fighters arming sword

[whole sluice]

Even without starter gear, a non weapon should NOT hit for that much... ever

Like if I had a purple weapon sure, but my fists

With a weapon I can almost hit high 100s, almost 200

Thats... really bad scaling imo 😄

[twilit sparrow]

Yeah even Rogue does 20 damage with punches and 13 with dagger

[quick marten]

18 on headshots for the rougue dagger

[stuck mica]

Dagger has faster hits in the span of punches though, and can have poison, i dont think fists can be poisoned

[whole sluice]

Only 18? Are you not using ambush and weakness?

Fists count, anything that hits counts

It's a self melee buff

[twilit sparrow]

Ambush is only if you were using Hide

And Hide is honestly kinda bad

[whole sluice]

That being said, poison isn't spectacular. If something takes more than 3-5 hits somethings is wrong 😄

Not ambush then, backstab

[stuck mica]

No way hide is amazing

[whole sluice]

Sorry, brain tired 😄

[candid imp]

@whole sluice What is the main use for the Golden key? I've gotten a few and spammed the treasure but the main loot I've found has been candy corn lol

[twilit sparrow]

Not with how buggy Hide is

[candid imp]

The actual treasure is underwhelming

[whole sluice]

It's infinite, gives more gold per item slot ratio than selling 'vendor food'

Also, there is always at least a purple, usually a legendary, on the floor in there

[burnt badger]

Can anyone recommend a wiki? I have no idea what alot of stats do, or what the wizard weapons are even for

[candid imp]

Ah we got a purple

[quick marten]

the chance of actually consistently getting back stab is if the player thinks its just better to run away from a rogue with base dagger

[whole sluice]

Check the fopdoodle button the menu

[candid imp]

So maybe just unlucky

[twilit sparrow]

It randomly drops stealth and only 10 steps of movement is really small, and at least until you're super geared, Trap Disarm+Lockpick is great

[stuck mica]

Use hide offensively as a means of procking ambush, since it doesnt matter if you actually "ambush" them or not. Like you can run up to an enemy, hide and instantly exit hide to proc the ambush and deal extra damage next hit

[whole sluice]

This guy Rogues

[stuck mica]

I started off doing rogue but it was too op so i went to barb since it was the least played last test

But now barbs are strong

Now im probably gonna play wizard next playtest

[whole sluice]

Yeah, Rogue is really strong. I just use it to help colect data on XP/Vet point farming, loot tables and stuff

To be fair, most classes are strong. The game really increases your power level when you have map/mechanic knowledge

[stuck mica]

It took me a while to realize that theres weapons in the tavern with ur name on it lol

[whole sluice]

And it doesn't help most people don't know what they're doing so they are just a slap away from dying

[candid imp]

Some classes do well to balance each other too

Like as a fighter I don't think I've ever died to rogue

[whole sluice]

Dunno whatcha talking about 😄

[candid imp]

Wizard one and ranger a few times

And barb a couple times

[stuck mica]

Ive been trying to teach my friend how to play but before i can even teach him he just instantly dies to the first enemy, this has happened AT LEAST TEN TIMES NOW

[candid imp]

If a rogue tries to ambush can usually just turn around block one attack and melt him while spacing with my longer weapon

[whole sluice]

oof

[stuck mica]

CLERIC IS NOT A FRONTLINE, HE CHARGED A BARBARIAN AND INSTANTLY DIED it was pretty funny though lol

Although, you can build frontline clerics ive heard

[quick marten]

agreed, trying to fight a barb with armor or a fighter, i get semi shitted on because i cant do enough dmg

[stuck mica]

Via ale and smite and war maul

[burnt badger]

What do knowledge and will do?

[candid imp]

Rogue SHOULD be able to demolish a wizard or ranger that got too close

Pecking order

[whole sluice]

Battle cleric is a thing people undervalue

[unkempt beacon]

any difference between oil lantern vs explosion bottle

[whole sluice]

Yeah, I have no idea why they have a double damage + remove 50% armor ability

I dunk fighters so bad

[stuck mica]

Most clerics i come across dont know how to use judgement, or just never use it, and always run away when their team needs help

[candid imp]

Gear diff

[twilit sparrow]

I've got Rogue up to 20 and farmed a few thousand gold and done a good bit of PVP, and honestly the class that fucks me up the most is Clerics

[burnt badger]

What does knowledge do

[whole sluice]

Nothing really, magical interaction and cast speed

[quick marten]

yeah a cleric that knows how to block is terrifying

[stuck mica]

Yes, like how the spy could take out the sniper and engineer in tf2

[burnt badger]

How do you know?

[twilit sparrow]

Barbs are usually too stupid to do anything but constantly swing so they eat shit, Rangers just rush past because they think the bow makes them god, wizards just die in a single hit, and fighters are a mixed bag but you can absolutely cripple them by just going into tight corridors

[whole sluice]

That being said, this is spilling way out to discussions. If I could kindaly ask these to move to the discussion(s) channel please 😄

[twilit sparrow]

Other rouges are usually just food

[stuck mica]

Judgement taking off half my health as a barb with the magic resist is so infuriating, but its such a short range that i can usually get em before i get hit with it. In team fights, judgement shreds still though.

[plucky seal]

Does crouching reduce the range that enemy ai can detect you?

[whole sluice]

Not really Steve

It's fairly simply proximity

Noise/Sight doesn't really effect them much

[sick shard]

The purple ball that chases you, is the person with the blue ring supposed to soak the orb?

[whole sluice]

That being said, I'm gonna take a break from databasing for a while, you all take care and behave now 😄

[sick shard]

on lich

[whole sluice]

Drag the ball into adds

[sick shard]

ok

[whole sluice]

The ring is for stacking if it's blue/purple

If it is red, run away

[ancient plover]

so do the stats on my spear affect the dmg of the bow

like spear has 3% armor pen

does that affect the bow?

[whole sluice]

No, only held items count

[warm furnace]

our battle cleric serves as the last resort finisher

would recommend

[white elbow]

I'm the battle cleric in our group and I front line lol

[ancient vector]

lol whats your battle cleric setup?

[white elbow]

It's heavily underrated

[ancient vector]

how do you play battle cleric? just prot and buff yourself and run in with that hammer lol?

[elder bone]

rogues should be deleted uninstalling

[twilit yarrow]

Weakpoint is brokenly overpowered. Rogues didn't need yet another multiplicatve attack on top of all their other bonuses to 1 shot people.

[lament dagger]

When something has a true magical damage roll on something like a dagger does it still do the magic damage?

or an armor piece as well

[twilit talon]

What does Nimble hands do?

[faint wyvern]

how does smite work for clerics? does it do extra damge when you use melee attaks too or what

[gaunt sparrow]

5% faster bow attacks

[twilit sparrow]

Apparently not, it adds to things that would do magic damage baseline

[modest crypt]

Does plus magic damage effect rogue bleed/poison?

[twilit yarrow]

Not anymore that was removed as it was too strong.

[modest crypt]

whats the difference between blue ranger traps and the standard?

[tepid turret]

what is ranger move speed

rangers are impossible to catch

[lament dagger]

good to know, thanks

[quick marten]

faster set speed

[versed elbow]

how do you parry

i need this info

if anyone could tell me that would be pog

yo

[cursive flint]

So i noticed on the stats page that as a rogue, my move speed doesn't decrease from 300 even after i equip armor that has move speed -5 on it, etc

[quick marten]

it applies in game

[cursive flint]

Nevermind just a weird refresh bug with the stat screen

[versed elbow]

i cant find the info anywhere sadge

[quick marten]

id help if i could but i also dont know

[versed elbow]

madcow is gone when the world needed him most

[lusty hedge]

Does shield breakthrough take into account physical damage reduction? As in if a 50 damage halberd hits a 40 defense shield and the user has 50% physical resistance, does the halberd deal 5 breakthrough damage, or is it treated as 25, and the shield negates everything?

[versed elbow]

lol

[quick marten]

how do i split a coin purse while in the trading chat?

[versed elbow]

i dont think you can

i started putting my gold into weird stacks to make odd numbers up

5 1 stacks 5 2 stacks ect

[primal trail]

What is the difference for the spellbook tiers?

[cursive flint]

nothing

[warm violet]

Breakthrough is based on a smaller number value based on weapon size vs shield size

[primal trail]

alright thanks

[versed elbow]

welp i want to figure this out

[lusty hedge]

Don't think that's it at all. Skeletons break through the starter shield and a lot of the worse shields. But not higher defense shields of the exact same size.

[burnt badger]

when going to floor 3, can you see other players in those cubes around you in the fishverse, or are they just for show?

[warm tapir]

You can see other plays. I’ve only seen other players once in my 10+ times though lol.

I think it’s only other players that were on the same run as you so if everybody is dead or left then it’s just you

[burnt badger]

Is the homing effect of the magic missiles based on the projectile or on your cursor when the spell is cast? I've had mixed results

[sacred canopy]

is 2nd floor any possible to solo?

[warm tapir]

I think so yes once you’re comfortable with combat and have good gear and lots of bandages (probably like 6-9 20hp ones left after the first floor)

I haven’t solod it yet but I plan to tomorrow. I’ve done it two man a lot though. My duo is ranger and the bow is VERY helpful there

[sacred canopy]

i could imagine but im not sure you'd get enough space as ranger solo

[warm tapir]

We watched a view videos that explained the basics of the area and it’s good. Lots of golden chests, I play rogue so I can open them all and he clears the monsters from afar

[sacred canopy]

well yeah, rogue and ranger are 2 busted classes

[cursive flint]

Why is it impossible to unlock a trap on the ground? that minigame goes way too fast

[sacred canopy]

yeah, lockpick minigame feels too fast for such a slow paced game

[warm tapir]

While I do agree, I’ve gotten bonked on the head by barbarians in some of my best loadouts and gotten oneshot. Rogues are squishy for sure

[sacred canopy]

wait, character stats actually scale with level?

[limber bane]

is there currently any difference from the spellbook and crystal ball, other than movespeed? implemented rn

[stable egret]

Unless whenever you hover over it and it specifically says that there is stat differences then no. You can see some of the current non implemented stuff that has to do with stats for armor/weapons in the #❓faq channel.

[limber bane]

Are there known bugs/inaccuracies in talents? Arcane Mastery claims that you cast spells 1 second faster, but regardless of whether I have it equipped, spells seems to cast at the same speed

Additionally, is the Magic Bonus Damage associated with the crystal sword applied to both spells and attacks, or only attacks?

[fluid arch]

how do you highlight stuff in trade

[wicked summit]

what is the difference between ADDITIONAL MOVE SPEED compared the AGILITY, which one outweighs more then the other? For example how much more is 1 agility over 1 additional move speed? what is the calculations

[marsh pond]

is it better to run in heavy armour as cleric? I found myself slow af at the end of runs

[burnt badger]

if u check ur stats base u have 300 move speed. u can put on agility and see how much it gives relative to that

[tribal tide]

Wait, campfire restores spell uses?

[severe pumice]

Always has

Anyone devs here could share what these balance changes are?

Balance updates:

--- a. Rogue Weakpoint skill.
--- b. Fighter's swift perk.
--- c. Fighter's baricade perk.
--- d. Fighter's sprint skill.

[sand rivet]

Shift click (rather lmb or rmb, dont remember exactly)

[desert remnant]

where does the skull key/golden key spawn?

its in b3 north, right?

[twilit yarrow]

We need specific details in these patch notes not generic notes.

[desert remnant]

vague notes are fine for beta.

id expect much slower, more deliberate and detailed notes later on

[twilit yarrow]

They aren't even saying if they are buffed or nerfed. Weakpoint was overpowered so it was obviously nerfed but to what extent. Not sure why Baricade was changed nobody uses it unless it was broken etc

[sand rivet]

well, if you get jumped on, you can actually survive some damage. Cleric even naked cant outrun most classes.

[desert remnant]

well, its clearly going to be nerfed.

how you play against a rogue, or as a rogue likely isnt going to change

[sand rivet]

weakpoint?

[desert remnant]

yes, weakpoint. they arnt going to buff rogue atm, its performing well

[velvet mango]

post evidence of rogue performance

[desert remnant]

scoreboard. rogues get lots of kills

leaderboard isnt that good, but its ok

[cosmic veldt]

i hope they buff weakpoint

[limber bane]

i feel dumb not being able to murder people as rogue if they're getting nerfed lol

[elder bone]

Rogues are broken as shit

[twilit yarrow]

You are high as a kite. It needs a 90% nerf at least

[elder bone]

I’ve seen too many rogues nearly one shot fully armor fighters

Shits crazy

[tepid turret]

weakpoint is the armor piercing one right?

[cosmic veldt]

I know it's strong. That's why i hope it, i like it ;D

[tepid turret]

maybe it should disappear if you miss your first attack

[elder bone]

Full plate mail tank who moves slower than slow gets one tapped by a rogue at Mach10

[fluid arch]

rogue is terrible if you dont have gear

[elder bone]

This is true for most classes

Boss

Play fighter with no gear

See how fun it is

LMAO

[twilit yarrow]

I need to know why they think its a good idea to nerf fighters shield. If all of those fighter changes are nerfs it is literally retarded

Even full purple armor you still get 2 shot

[elder bone]

By longbows and rogues yeah

[twilit yarrow]

Barbarians too

[elder bone]

Yeah idk why they’re nerfing fighters when the leaderboard is all rogues

[eager quiver]

has anyone run into a situation where you step in a bear trap and cannot get out?

[tepid turret]

barb is good with starter gear

[twilit yarrow]

Helmets need to probably need to negate entirely or reduce headshot dmg

[elder bone]

Yeah headshots are kinda nutty atm

[eager quiver]

that kind of seems like the point, also cant fighter use bows?

[tepid turret]

fighter can use some bows

[elder bone]

Can use all bows if you use the trait

[twilit yarrow]

A LOT of the changes they have made to balance since the last test have been objectively bad changes. If they keep making bad changes like this the game won't last very long.

[elder bone]

Fighter with a recurve is really strong

[elder bone]

I mean it’s a play test

[eager quiver]

full bow team is busted with current arrow slowdown on hit

[tepid turret]

3 rangers is truly broken

[elder bone]

But the balance is in heavy favor of rogues and how users

[elder bone]

Yeah the triple arrow shit is busted

[twilit yarrow]

Last play test rogues dominated. They added an ability this test that makes them even more broken. The logic just doesn't exist. Also whoever through triple shot was a good idea should be fired.

[elder bone]

Need to make it slower with bow type

[tepid turret]

just nerf the ability for rangers to make distance and my barb will be happy

[elder bone]

Longbows should not ever shoot at survival now speed

That’s crazy as hell

[elder bone]

Triple shot is a really cool idea and plays well just needs a speed nerf

Rangers needed a impactful ability

Just not one so broken

[upbeat kernel]

this is the Q-and-A question channel sir

stop your balance complaints

[elder bone]

Who

[sand rivet]

It need to be connected to weapon speed. For example longbow triple must be much slower then recurve bow triple.

[elder bone]

100%

[cosmic veldt]

Someone know how the pick pocket perk for rogue works?

[elder bone]

That would balance it

[remote pecan]

Please take discussion of mechanics to #1033463812399054898

[sand rivet]

Sorry!

[remote pecan]

No problem.

[fluid iron]

Anyone else start randomly attacking with the cleric? Thought it was my mouse but his staff is the only time it happens

[twilit yarrow]

@digital quiver Can we get more detailed patch notes at least about the specific balance changes ?

[vagrant ridge]

happened to me yesterday

[digital quiver]

sorry i don't have the details on hand right now

[tepid turret]

yeah, this happens to me as other classes as well, and autocasts spells as cleric/wizard

[desert remnant]

i dont think anyone answered, but where is the golden key/skeleton key spawn?

i remember someone mentioning at some point that its a non-100% spawn on the opposite side of the golden door in b3?

[twilit yarrow]

Golden key drops off the skeleton knights. Not sure of the skeleton key has been found yet. It didn't drop at all last test.

[desert remnant]

interesting, must be really rare then

thanks

[digital quiver]

ok i updated the announcement

[tepid turret]

what skill gives barb movespeed?

[twilit yarrow]

Appreciate it. While I disagree with the fighter nerfs. Even wearing full purple armor I still get two shot. I feel there are many other things more in need of immediate balance changes.

[twilit yarrow]

One of their shouts

[digital quiver]

duly noted

[unkempt fractal]

How do you deal with floor traps?

Is there a counter or you just gotta use potion and pray 🙏

[tepid turret]

throw a torch on em

use the like 1/4th of a second delay after they go down to start crossing and jump before they pop back up

[versed elbow]

since they are taking the servers down for 90m for an update do you think they will extend the test?

[wary gate]

Man there such a tough balance to reach in these games between how amazing high end gear and how well low end gear should be able to compete against it. I do not envy the devs that have to balance that.

[twilit yarrow]

You can jump over the edge of them. Rogues can also disarm them if they have the perk.

[versed elbow]

i cant watch another game do what yager did and go from a fun unique thing to trying to make the literal throwaway gear murder the best stuff you can get your hands on its a dungeon not an esport you risk it all make money trade with people get a good kit potentially die with it off rip i dont think making the game easier for people who just wont put the work in is the move or seperating ques / wipes i get wipes during the tests but in the full game the player driven econ and the nature of how easy it is to lose stuff will keep everything fresh

[fallow warren]

Do the health shrines heal a percentage of HP or a flat amount?

[spark pilot]

full hp

[low tundra]

when you level up does it increase stats?

[candid shard]

What's the difference between epic and regular explosive bottle?

[versed elbow]

will the test be extended? this is very fun please let us stave depression off for a day or 2

[versed elbow]

i think the damage

im not sure

ill test it next time i can

[quick marten]

an actual question, i have a rapier that deals 21 dmg but on the dummies it does 19 to body but 28 to head, i feel like thats not right

[wary gate]

I hope the playtest does end soon....cause I'm playing too much and I think I'm addicted.

[woeful kiln]

If you look in your stats there is a breakdown of damage. Limbs take reduced damage while body is I think is 1.0 but head is like a 1.7 or 2.0. Your damage is going to be based on your strength. If you have a 15 in strength that is a 0 modifier. Go down from there you will do less damage. Go up you will do more

[unique fable]

There are dmg modifiers ingame that affekt it. Rogue has like a base -10% dmg or smthing

[golden cedar]

dooes rupture only do 20 damage?

[quick marten]

actually like 10 i tested it against a dummy

[golden cedar]

so is weakpoint attack just better

[quick marten]

yes sadly and theyre nerfing it with the patch coming really soon

[golden cedar]

and rogue has no parry :/ making it really hard to want to play them

[quick marten]

i cant find anything listing off limb protection but ill take your word for it rn

[quick marten]

he has a base of -17% on physical power bonus

[golden cedar]

I would love if rogue had a parry just like in mordhau

if you were just using one weapon instead of dual wielding

[polar yoke]

please god no

[quick marten]

they want to add a parry system and ithink they did i just dont know how it works so :p

[golden cedar]

the problem is if a rogue gets hit they die because they can no longer move fast enough to run away

but if there was some skill based way to slip away that would be great

[zenith loom]

Sounds like a skill issue honestly

[woeful kiln]

Nothing shows limb protection but there is a tip in one of the loading screens. You can hit the little arm stubbs on the dummy and see it takes less damage

When swinging with a 2h weapon you will hit limbs most of the time. That's why it seems you may do less damage

It's why weapons with over head swings feel a bit better right now. If you don't hit the head you will usually hit the upper shoulder counting as a body shot

[quick marten]

a 13 dmg dagger rondell, 6 arms, 12 shoulder, 18 head, and forgot body i think it was 10

[velvet otter]

hey guys what does the will stat do?

[quick marten]

ill test next time im in tavern

[celest cedar]

what is the difference between weapon damage, physical power, additional physical damage, and true physical damage?

[woeful kiln]

Base magic resistance, spell power, buff/curse duration

[velvet otter]

thanks man appreciate it

[woeful kiln]

True physical damage bypasses all resistance. Physical power I think effects your modifiers or in other words changes the formula in some way but not your base damage while additional physical damage adds directly to your base damage

[celest cedar]

Same as weapon damage then? Affects your base damage?

So weapon damage and additional physical damage do the same thing?

[woeful kiln]

I belive so? I think additional physical damage can effect anything even fist. While the weapon damage only works for weapon

[celest cedar]

Unless additional phys affects base damage and weapon damage is additive after formula modifiers?

[woeful kiln]

I don't have the equations so I don't know for sure

[quick marten]

12 body so it does seem like its a 1 base defense

[celest cedar]

makes sense, thanks!

[quick marten]

so 13dmg dagger 18dmg head 7dmg legs 6dmg arms and 12dmg body

[woeful kiln]

Yep sounds about right. You probs have 13 or 14 strength right?

[quick marten]

8 strength is default rogue which results in -17% bonus physical dmg

[woeful kiln]

Sheesh didn't realize rouge was so low

[quick marten]

yeaaaaaa

the default dagger is abysmally bad

[twilit yarrow]

I forget where it is stated but limbs do take like 40% dmg. You can test it on the dummies by hitting the little arms.

[quick marten]

with rondell dagger equipped i do a base of 10.79 peirce dmg

falls in line with the -17% physical dmg the rogue starts with

so physical power bonus actively subtracts rogues dmg i think

moving this to mechanic discussion cause i like stats

[versed elbow]

will the test be extended?

or when does it end since game going down for the fighter rogue gutting

me want sleep but play game :kappa

[woeful kiln]

Yes it does. If it's blue 1 person has to tank

Purple has 2 layers you have to be in second layer to spread damage

If you have a cleric with high will it will reduce damage even more due to the high magic res

[faint grove]

has anyone here tried full tank / strenght cleric build yet? i imagine having 2 of these is kind of broken

[faint wyvern]

Does anyone understand how that perk that adds magic damage for clerics work?

[bright gyro]

wdym how easy it is to lose stuff? it feels a bit to easy to get high quality gear imo. good rolls maybe not, but blue/purple/orange in general are way to common

[versed elbow]

thats how these types of games are this isnt a looter shooter its a dungeon crawler its loot on loot on loot not toilet paper in every chest

[bright gyro]

but you're saying it's easy to lose stuff. it's not?

[versed elbow]

its easy to lose the stuff you take yes you can die to anything at any point or simply get unlucky with the portal spawns the whole point is there is alot of loot and its constantly getting rotated out for other stuff

[bright gyro]

good loot being extremely common kinda ruins half the game imo. if there's no excitement in finding purples+ then all you really have is just a pvp game

[cobalt heron]

so playing as a rouge whats better the daggers or rapier?

[tidal sundial]

rapier for the range imo

[bright gyro]

it's personal choice, but I think most people prefer rapier

I prefer the castillon dagger

[versed elbow]

if this the first game of this type you have played?

[slender spire]

how do i quickly move loot on my body/inventory/drop etc?

[torpid loom]

I usually bring both. Rapier for range/PvE. Dagger for ambushing

[pale snow]

I have to use daggers and my ranger steal all good rapiers 😄

[cobalt heron]

ya ok i mean whats good perks? for rouge lol

[torpid loom]

Rightclick
Shift+Rightclick to drop from inventory

[versed elbow]

theres a reason the loot has rolls and builds your almost never pulling everything you need reliably like your thinking mang unless your using a mix matched kit

[bright gyro]

no, and even if it was it makes no difference

[pale snow]

btw, is there any point of using 2 dagger than just diffrent angle attack?

[bright gyro]

also fair lmao

how is that an L take? LOL

[tidal sundial]

I really like smokescreen for rogue, you use it then go invis, then attack easy kill 1v1

[halcyon bay]

Hey guys ive noticed magic missle will follow a mob if it misses but it wont follow players?

[slender spire]

@torpid loomthx

[torpid loom]

np 🙂

[tawny forge]

is there fall dmg?

[bright gyro]

lockpicking if you go into third floor often, otherwise the pvps perks are best. idk the names of them. 30% ambush damage, poison damage, backstab, and walking while stealthed

[bright gyro]

no

[tawny forge]

good

[cobalt heron]

Ive made it to second floor but just die XD

[quick marten]

i preference poison, stealth, dagger mastery, and ambush

[quick marten]

3rd good sir you start on 2nd

[cobalt heron]

legit started yesterday night played couple matches and then got off XD

[quick marten]

thats fine, just lettin ya know

[mental flame]

im so good at this game, I've never even seen the first floor.

[bright gyro]

do you run solo?

[cobalt heron]

some times i had a buddy but he left meh to learn XD

[mental flame]

I'd say easiest class right now is Ranger, the amount of healing you get, and dependable damage will easily get you through, so long as you pick your battles, and plan accordingly.

[cobalt heron]

i tried the ranger but the bow wasnt cutting it guesssing the starting bow kinda sucks

[bright gyro]

imo fighter > ranger

fighter is just insanely broken

[tawny forge]

lol

[fast lark]

probably not after those hotfixes though

[bright gyro]

also true

I'm curious how bad it'll get hit

[cobalt heron]

i like the ranger i just idk how i feel right now imm have to try out some more

[fast lark]

you read the announcement right?

[bright gyro]

nope, didn't see they edited it

reading rn

[fast lark]

its a slaughter tbh.

[bright gyro]

they didn't nerf it enough

that's not even that bad wdym?

[fast lark]

seems like a heavy hit to mobility and defense.

[bright gyro]

I guess it depends on what you run

[cobalt heron]

i like the rouge but is the ranger any good?

[bright gyro]

I never ran full plate

wasn't worth mobility hit

[tidal sundial]

The stagger from being hit by a ranger is pretty harsh

[bright gyro]

even with swift

so I don't think it'll change anything from how I play tbh

[cobalt heron]

im a really good shot

[quick marten]

anyone remember base strength stats of the clases? i know rogue is 8 and fighter is 15 and i think cleric is 13

[soft oar]

Wiz probably 5

[quick marten]

thank you

[edgy compass]

it does 16 damage

longbows do 50

[cobalt heron]

oh?

[edgy compass]

now use the triple shot and it's just an anti aircraft cannon

[cobalt heron]

XD bet

[lunar cape]

Is there any sort of skill based matchmaking in the game rn?

[dark gale]

why escape from a bear trap is impossible? XD

[tidal sundial]

Bear traps are brutal if you walk into them

[prime hull]

i got baited into one yesterday didnt even know they existed 😭

[dark gale]

im waiting for the bar to charge up but the minigame start at random times im never ready for it

[snow hedge]

Is wizard good and I'm just dumb?

[tidal sundial]

Wizard is best when with a team otherwise you just get rushed

[snow hedge]

Even in a team I feel like I kill my team when trying to do anything

[unreal garnet]

What exactly does spell capacity + do. i had a +2 + 1 and +1 i had equipped and i saw no difference in my spells "capacity"

[soft oar]

Spell capacity isn't implemented yet

[unreal garnet]

rip...

[soft oar]

Yep

[soft oar]

Try to not stand literally behind but a bit on the side so u can angle shots without hitting ur team

Also being in a voice chat would be helpful since u can just tell em to get back and shoot ur stuff

[unreal garnet]

Honestly i envy whale. as a cleric i WISH i could more easily hit my team

[soft oar]

💀

Hit me daddy

[unreal garnet]

i cant tell you how many times their hitbox JUST leaves my crosshair as i cast

[jolly dock]

Wizard is good, just play slow

Use the buffs on urself

You can get out of hot situations with invis

Kite for days

Slow/haste

[snow hedge]

Thats what I try to do as well as slow other players, but it just falls to rogue/bow

[jolly dock]

Hardly can be touched if you can use your slow right

[snow hedge]

having better movement speed

[jolly dock]

Ranger is hardest to fight

comes down to skill

[snow hedge]

Even with slow and self haste I feel slower than rogue and bow

[jolly dock]

But 1 or 2 fireballs and ranger is toast

Also, crossbow on wizard is OP

[soft oar]

Wait u can use xbow on wiz?

[jolly dock]

Shoot with it, swapped to spell casting, use insta cast spell and you can burst some one really fast

[unreal garnet]

makes me wish there was a more forgiving cast like if the cast is just shy of their hitbox it still gives it to them. trying to heal shield and buff your allies in a fight feels bad enough. add in the fact you are having to move constantly to avoid being targeted as the healer and that enemies can block your heals and shields to get them for themselves

[soft oar]

Tf

[jolly dock]

@soft oar yes

and daggers

[soft oar]

Damn didn't know that

[jolly dock]

I run dagger/crystal ball then crossbow in my 2nd slot

[soft oar]

Interesting

[snow hedge]

No shot I didn't know I could use a crossbow on wizard

is their any difference between crystal ball, book, and rod?

[jolly dock]

if you go into the traders inventory with your character, you can see all the items that you can't use highlighted in RED, you can use any item that isn't RED. that's how I learned Wiz can use crossbow, and many other items/armors

[soft oar]

With crystal ball u can dual wield a dagger, book faster mov speed and staff is bad in narrow spots but does best melee dmg

[crimson yoke]

Is removing armor worth the move speed increase for solo rogue?

[jolly dock]

@snow hedge You can dual wield with crystal ball and the book. I"m not too sure the difference, just move speed and maybe cast time

[snow hedge]

yeah cast time was what I was mostly curious about

[soft oar]

Cast time is always the same i think

[snow hedge]

it seems sword has the slowest but doesn't seem to do more damage

[astral light]

Crystal Ball is the best, it's definitely faster.

[jolly dock]

Crystal Sword is ass IMO

[astral light]

Book is two handed, is it not?

[whole sluice]

Cast time is the same, just different animations

[astral light]

It feels faster.

Do the different color weapons make a difference before purple?

[whole sluice]

Not currently

[crimson yoke]

How useful is armor exactly? I'm interested in the difference of hits or damage taken vs being naked. I've been going naked on rogue for the movespeed increase and wondering if it's worth it.

[alpine slate]

doodle

[dark gale]

there is a damage reduction in the thats

stats*

[whole sluice]

Armor definitely has diminsihng returns, but up to you if you want move or not. That being said, if you are against faast low damage weapons, armor tends to be a bit better, but against large or armor piercing ones not as much

[dark gale]

im kinda sad with the fighter nerft, less mobility and less defence

[whole sluice]

Depends on who you are fighting mostly

[pure tide]

fighter was too good

[quick marten]

hey quick question on dmg calculations as im bored and am big fan of math why does 13dmg dagger that rouge makes 10.79dmg do 12dmg to the body of dummy?

[crimson yoke]

I have a hard time gauging the true effectiveness of the reduction. Probably because of the different types of weapons that people have. I guess there is no way around seeing what feels better in actual gameplay.

[tidal sundial]

https://youtu.be/5QWKWuP0jIU?t=268

[snow hedge]

Is my other main question, are the benefits of having low health on barbarian with berserker worth it, like is the damage modifier actually that good with the other ones you can take? It seems like with the low attack speed its not actually all the amazing.

[tidal sundial]

Just aim for the head, body damage does barely anything

[whole sluice]

Most likely either armor, or the fact you have less than 15 strtength

Having less than 15 strength gives negative penalties to physical power

[tidal sundial]

Also use your bonus ability to ignore 50% amour for the first attack

[quick marten]

less than 15 strength makes me do 10.79 dmg on the stats page, but when i stab the dummy its 12 using no abilities

[dark gale]

i never had a problem fighting against fighter, i always have problem with rogue one shot me or ranger on top of the tower

[whole sluice]

Do you have the dagger 5% perk?

Also rounding

[quick marten]

no i took it off for science

[whole sluice]

There is a bit more to it than the calc shows as well

[crimson yoke]

Maybe they have negative damage reduction?

[pure tide]

they headshot and your should look around, youd take an arrow to the naked head irl 1 tap

[whole sluice]

Maybe. If armor has 0 armor that would be another 10%

[drifting temple]

Will happens less now with the nerf on weakpoint damage bonus

[dark gale]

yea but get a portal in that zone with skeletron on bottom and ranger on top camping is impossible

[whole sluice]

Because having 0 armor makes you take 10% more damage according to armor data

[quick marten]

understood, thank you for the tip thats actually really helpful

[pure tide]

get a team

[dark gale]

we tired

57% of our total death in 24h of gameplay each (we play duo) are from ranger and 30% from rogue

probably we gonna need a solo queue and a team queue

[zenith hawk]

Btw how do portal spawns?

What makes them spawn?

[whole sluice]

They spawn in at set times when the circle transitions

Where they spawn are random within the circle, but they spawn at the same time

[zenith hawk]

Ok thanks!

[whole sluice]

Sure thing

[timber mist]

Are you consistently killing Lich? Having problems with a few mechanics

[fallow warren]

not true

Do the health shrines heal a percentage of HP or a flat amount? @whole sluice

[whole sluice]

Not bothering with bosses this playtest, working on wiki building and database stuff mostly

[whole sluice]

All health

[fallow warren]

full hp no matter how much?

since i recall taking one and not getting full hp

[whole sluice]

I mean, I haven't tested with like 200 HP barb builds, but so far it's been 100%

[fallow warren]

as a barb at 170+hp

[whole sluice]

And thats with high str fight HP stuff

[fallow warren]

hm weird ill see if i can replicate it

[whole sluice]

Yeah, haven't tested with high HP barb yet, so if it does have a cap I haven't seen it from our limited testing because we don't have a barb on our tetsing team atm 😄

[fallow warren]

and record how much it heals

thanks

[whole sluice]

No worries, intrested to see what it is

[sinful bronze]

is there a link for breakdown of what all the stats do?

[whole sluice]

If you say you didn't heal to full, if I have to randomly guess, I would say it heals for 150 HP flat perhaps?

[whole sluice]

#❓faq

[visual dagger]

i will try to check on it

[dark gale]

can we have a "fake" hotfix a day for keep extending the playtest for 24H each day?

[whole sluice]

Heh 🙂

[sly hamlet]

As of now with the wizard, we have a full selection of spells from the very beginning. In the full release are these gonna be locked behind levels and we need to level up our character to unlock new/more spells

[pale snow]

what the point of dual dagger wielding? just diffrent angle attack?

[whole sluice]

We don't know much about levelling and such, however we do know that there will be more than the current list of spells, including some pretty cool sounding ones

[empty fjord]

yeah it swings from the side so it avoids most small shields

[whole sluice]

Different combo chambers, stat sticks, attack animation cancels etc

[loud quartz]

did magic missile projectile speed got nerfed between now and the last playtest?

[woeful kiln]

Did I get an @ or reply here?

[whole sluice]

I believe so but haven't tested that specific velocity of projectiles

[crimson yoke]

Does having an offhand weapon give stats to the main one?

[woeful kiln]

Share the magical Google sheet?

[loud quartz]

I was watching some videos of wizard from last playtest and MM seemed way faster than now

[whole sluice]

If they are equipped the purple+ items give stats, the weapon itself doesn't have 'stats' unless you are attacking with that specific combo (I.E. left click or right click)

[whole sluice]

It's incomplete and I want to do a double check for verification

[crimson yoke]

Ahh, yeah, I've seen the purple effects. That makes sense that they would count.

[woeful kiln]

Would you like help?

[whole sluice]

I might once we get back up, sure

I have all the armor values up to 135 or so, because as a Rogue, I didn't have much more above that 😄 But now that I have my fighter partner back, we should be able to get the rest

[woeful kiln]

Well feel free to add me or @ me if you need me. Have a max cleric and a decent ranger but no ranger gear

Also can get my str almost to 50 if you want to test for soft caps

[safe karma]

What does the stats do ? Agility , Strenght and the others ?

[whole sluice]

The stats have thresholds for sure

[quick marten]

i like numbers and will obsess over getting it right, just pulled an all nighter cause i got caught up in figuring out how to play base dagger rogue effectively

[whole sluice]

#❓faq I can't screenshot the fopdoodle image

[safe karma]

Oh ok thx

[empty badge]

How does picpocket work i've tried it and snuck up on mobs yet nothing happens

[dreamy niche]

Does the will stat increase healing and buffs of the cleric ?

[whole sluice]

If you have it equipped you can approach an enemy player in a match if you are within touching distance. A prompt will come up where you can 'pickpocket' them. You will then 'steal' one item from their non-equipped backpack. If they have nothing to steal it will let you know

[whole sluice]

Will effects Magical Power, so yes

[crimson yoke]

They need to buff or change pickpocket, probably the most useless trait.

[empty badge]

aight cheers chief

[zenith hawk]

How is xp calculated?

[stable kindle]

whats the difference between the Magic ball, spell book, and the wizard staff? For the wizard

[whole sluice]

XP is earned by doing pretty much anything. Killing players, killing AI, opening chests/corpses/portals, escaping, taking a down portal. The largest chunk of xp is going down to the bottom floor followed by escaping.

[whole sluice]

The differences between the various magical casting items and weapons are this: They differ in movement speed penalties, utility, and casting animations (Not speed). Each have specific uses. For instance, the crystal sword is great if you want to be a battle mage and cast spells while also bonking people on the head. The staff is terrible for halls because it has wide casting animations, but also lets you bonk slightly stronger than sword. And some don't let you bonk but only cast spells.

[stable kindle]

but what about the magic ball and book?

[astral light]

What does "Magic damage" mean on the sword?

[zenith hawk]

Thanks, does healing allies count?

[astral light]

It has a physical and magic damage stat, does it not?

[whole sluice]

No 😦

[zenith hawk]

D: rip healers

[whole sluice]

So when you hit someone, it does 2 damage calculations. A physical and magical attack

Both reduced by phys resistance and magic resistance

[tall pulsar]

Is there a possibility to limit item pinging in trade posts with their corresponding types in future versions? So people can't ping armor and other stuff in weapon trade post?

[whole sluice]

Thats included in what I said

[raven skiff]

Can anyone help me, where could I get a Golden Key

[whole sluice]

Thats something better for #feedback-hidden-archive I'm not a dev 😄

[tall pulsar]

K will copy message there

[whole sluice]

From the Skeleton Captain mini boss below the golden door area at the tower. Low drop rate

[stable kindle]

okay thanks

[raven skiff]

@whole sluice tyvm

[whole sluice]

Welcome 🙂

[zenith hawk]

Thanks for answering everything, it's very nice of you!

[whole sluice]

No worries, love helping everyone out 🙂

[zenith hawk]

Btw what is the "steal" perk from the rogue exactly does?

[quick marten]

If you have it equipped you can approach an enemy player in a match if you are within touching distance. A prompt will come up where you can 'pickpocket' them. You will then 'steal' one item from their non-equipped backpack. If they have nothing to steal it will let you know

[ripe forge]

Is War Cry currently working? I don't see it working.

[quick marten]

quote the maddcowqq

[whole sluice]

It's working, yes

[stable kindle]

@whole sluice would you say the book has more utility than the magic ball?

[crimson yoke]

Oh yeah, maybe a dumb question, but what happens when the time runs out for a map and you haven't used a portal yet?

[ripe forge]

I see a health increase from war cry at all. It doesnt feel like it is.

I dont see a *

[loud quartz]

check your stats before and after

[whole sluice]

For wizard?

[loud quartz]

it adds maximum life

[whole sluice]

Everyone dies at 0

[stable kindle]

yeah

[crimson yoke]

lol good thing I haven't tried that myself then 👍

[loud quartz]

no point in using something else than book

[ripe forge]

yeah I dont think its working as intended, or at all.

[loud quartz]

no point in using wizard when ranger exists anyway lol

[whole sluice]

To be fair, Crystal sword is my personal fav because people sleep on it. It's got a spell parry, and it has good melee damage included magic damage which hardly any class has resistance to

Close second is dagger so I can poke and cast with off hand focus

[loud quartz]

you're melee'ing with a wizard? you're a brave soul

[dreamy niche]

do you mean spell block? is parry implemented ? (block in sync with attack)

[loud quartz]

I get one shotted by almost anything, halbard, zwei, axe, 2 hits on rogue dagger etc etc

[stable kindle]

is there no difference in casting damage between the casting items?

[loud quartz]

I don't see a world where I'd use a melee weapon on my wiz instead of haste + invis to gain distance

[tidal sundial]

Wizard is going pretty painfully slow to play due to their super slow spell recharge

[loud quartz]

only diff is movement speed @stable kindle

[whole sluice]

I mean, it casts the same as other focus and I don't have to turn and get poked, also haste + invis are sorely underused

[whole sluice]

No cast time difference

[loud quartz]

even the rarity of the item doesnt change the damage atm

[tidal sundial]

Your whole team is at the other side of the map by the time you meditate twice or campfire

[dreamy niche]

@whole sluice what would be your weapon loadout of choice for a cleric ?

[loud quartz]

movement speed is >* on wiz, so yeah -30 on the sword is too much for me to use it vs the book

[vapid anvil]

Question about Strength that isn't addressed in the FAQ.

Lets say you have an item that gives you 1 Strength. Do we know how much weapon damage that comes out to?

[loud quartz]

when you press tab you can see your character sheet

(I think its tab)

[whole sluice]

Flanged + book

Wait

Sorry brain fog

[whole sluice]

There are stat thresholds, so it 'depends' what you're going from

Cleric setup is shield + flanged, and then casting prally book

[quick marten]

not really but like one point of strength, to my extremly limited info and testing ive done since last night, adds 2.4285714285714285714285714285714% in physbonus dmg

[whole sluice]

No

[tacit steeple]

@whole sluice
-Magical Power - Increase your overall spell power.

• Magical Healing - Increase the magical healing amount you receive from a healing spell.
• Will - Increases Spell Power, improves Buff/Curse Duration and improves your Magic Resistance

Magic power+WILL should improve the healing of my spells?

[quick marten]

dang

[dreamy niche]

thanks, impossible to dual wield a caster item + something as cleric, just like mage ?

[vapid anvil]

Perfect, thank you

[quick marten]

the sage corrected me

[whole sluice]

So for strength it will look something like this

[tacit steeple]

And does Magical Healing apply to the 15% heal when you heal another

[whole sluice]

So stats are a little weird. 15 is the 'neutral' stat block. Anything below gives penalties, anything above gives bonuses

The further you go the higher degree it will change

[whole sluice]

Yes

[vapid anvil]

So where does the "threshold" come into play here?

[whole sluice]

It might not happen this playtest, but I'm going to try and have something to helpshowcase how stats and armor and all that works

Armor has pretty fast diminishing returns per point after a while

The max theoretical value of JUST base items with no bonuses from skills and/or + Armor stats is 323

[whole sluice]

When you get higher than what I posted

[vapid anvil]

OH! Ok, so it stops becoming 1 to 1 after 22 STR?

[whole sluice]

But I have a lot of gaps because I could only do stats based on my rogue so the strength values are all low because there is only so much + strength I can stack

[safe karma]

Isn't it better to only hold 1 dagger as a rogue because you get slowed once only or is dual wield offer really ? because I don't see any

[whole sluice]

Depends, the offhand dagger has an insane 3rd attack damage increase. Also, attack animation/combo chambers are a thing

[crimson moss]

is the beta gonna have paid access, and if not is there anyway to support the team?

[safe karma]

Do you get slowed twice for having 2 daggers tho so -20 movespped ?

[whole sluice]

No idea and currently no

[whole sluice]

Yes

[desert obsidian]

Judjing by aforemented "thresholds*, probably yes

[vapid anvil]

Epic

[safe karma]

so in theory only offhand dagger is the best of all : no -20 speed and dmg boost on 3rd attack

[whole sluice]

But the first 2 swings suck crap in hallways, they have WIDE sweeps