openai-chatter

[mint bramble]

So dalle gave us $200/month worth of content for free. That's very kind of them!

[pale parcel]

works out to about 13 cents per prompt

[proud marsh]

I thought this was just some research, and they weren’t actually gonna release for commercial purposes lol

[jaunty wraith]

christ. midjourney costs 200 for 10 bucks, unlimited for 30 bucks

[swift karma]

I DECLARE BANKRUPCY

[modern linden]

sure is 😄

[soft hull]

oh it's going live now

[cloud flame]

I got it like last week...

[jaunty wraith]

You mean they compensated us for testing their software at scale

[thin acorn]

Same

[civic wadi]

The way I’m looking at it: Google colab costs $10 a month. Takes me about an hour to get a really nice detailed image. $15 for 115 images x 4 is still vastly more than I am getting out of other diffusion programs with colab

[pale parcel]

oh man microtransaction time

[modern linden]

lol its be fine

[zenith crater]

[subtle isle]

Also thinking that the current pricing is too much :/ I
mean I'll still pay for it but would've thought it were cheaper so like maybe 3cents per generation instead of ~13 cents

[soft hull]

well i get commercial rights

[unreal yarrow]

I don’t think I can run my Instagram page on 15 free prompts a month

[grand onyx]

does the generated images have the watermark?

[modern linden]

supplement with alternatives ?

[grand onyx]

Hahahaha. When a company makes something, it's ONLY to get money...
What did you think?
They're doing something for free?
Ha!
The only thing free in this world, is cheese in a mousetrap...

[low hawk]

I'd test it out but it'd cost me 20 cents

[jaunty wraith]

You know you can just "view source" to get your image without the watermark

[unreal yarrow]

I just might

[charred orchid]

they also stated that they need to find out what an appropriate price would actually be by the way.
So if noone buys credits I'd assume they'd lower it again

[grand onyx]

let me try, i'll let you know

[modern linden]

sssst! XD

[unreal yarrow]

It could take me 15 prompts just to get the right result

[charred orchid]

I mean I literally can't buy credits since creditcard seems to be the only payment method and I don't own one

[pearl copper]

I have a feeling this price is gonna backfire, I really hope the community disappointment causes them to lower it

[mint bramble]

They should offer regional pricing imo. In some countries the price is justified, in some too expensive

[loud steeple]

I WANT MY FREE MONEY BACK PLEASE, THANK YOU!!!

[grand onyx]

The more you waste it, the more cash they get...

[pearl copper]

Either they lower the price or give us 10 generations per prompt again

[zenith crater]

I’m okay with it

[low hawk]

I think many people would prefer something like "$10 dollars for three hours of unlimited use" instead of 115 prompts or whatever

[pale parcel]

community is going to loose their minds

[jaunty wraith]

The price doesn't seem competitive with MidJourney.

[brisk anchor]

@warm flax I just want to say thank you and the team for the great work for this and I hope you can not be affected by the negativity thats about to come your way.
Congrats on the new stage!

Also, thanks for the free 100 to the alpha people!

[pale parcel]

it isnt

[proper lantern]

Threre's a queue of a million people who haven't tried it yet, i doubt they will see dropped usage

[sinful badger]

I actually don’t understand this pricing model. This seems totally unjustifiable. Not even midjourney is this expensive

[proud marsh]

I mean I thought they were gonna sell it to some big tech companies or stuff like that, not commercial use lol

[jaunty wraith]

Feedback in disagreement or disapproval isn't negativity and exactly what they asked for.

[weary sundial]

Especially since the AI is pretty much out of your hands, it's like imagery mixed with gambling.

[tall gate]

this is why i was a bit against just giving our prompts, don’t care if that makes me seem selfish, they just put a price on experimentation

[grand onyx]

OpenAI, if I recall, is working with Microsoft...

[rotund kestrel]

so now we can sell the digital asset?

[grand onyx]

there are clearly openAI plants in this chat like 'but they gave you $200 of content for free! you should be grateful!!' LMAO

[modern linden]

Thats coz their not "yet" competing 😛

[rotund kestrel]

the wording was not clear on it

[grand onyx]

so 20 cents for 4 images?

[modern linden]

dalle just entered the realm of "money"

[granite merlin]

LETS GOOOOO

[brisk anchor]

oh its definitely coming tho. not the majority of people but it will be

[grand onyx]

Let's face it, DALL-E 2 is a fad...

[pale parcel]

where is everyone seeing the purchasing options

[grand onyx]

DALL-E 2 will eventually become the news of yesterday

[modern linden]

lol what u mean by that

[pearl trench]

Oh man it's getting paid 🥺

[charred orchid]

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6399305-how-dall-e-credits-work

[low hawk]

13 cents for 4, 3 if you want variations

[zenith crater]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[grand onyx]

ye, im sure you wouldn't know anything about that would you

[rotund kestrel]

lol, we are all OpenAI plants, lmfo

hahaha

[small vortex]

You still get 15 a month

[charred orchid]

sorry - actually here

[modern linden]

i suddenly have a case of Amnesia 😛

[small vortex]

Weird how they chose 115 specifically

[proud marsh]

15$ for credits kinda a lot, tbh I would not mind if it was subscription based 🥲

[rotund kestrel]

can we sell the digital asset?

[drowsy bolt]

do we need to credit dalle even now with the new rights?

[jaunty wraith]

115/15 * 2 = 230/30.

Compare this to MidJourney's 30 for "unlimited" images.

[small vortex]

If it was reasonably priced I would probably buy it

[unreal yarrow]

15 a month is nothing 😂 You can literally use 15 in some minutes just trying to get the right results because it’s so janky still

[grand onyx]

Remember, the only vocal removing A.I. used to be paid in Izotope RX7.
Now, the best vocal removing A.I., is GSeperation Vocal Removing A.I., and it's open source and free.

DALL-E 2 will eventually become the Izotope RX7, and someone will come out, with their own A.I. which will do an even better result...

[charred orchid]

~13ct per Credit (Prompt)

[pearl trench]

No digital assets it's in their Content Policy

[drowsy bolt]

@warm flax

[rotund kestrel]

thanks

[modern linden]

guys did you also happen to read the statement of Joan that literally said "not everything as it is, right now is fixed, it still changing, modifying"

[small vortex]

How is midjourney compared to dall e

[pale parcel]

pricing is going to change

[small vortex]

I haven't used it yet

[brisk anchor]

i havent had decent results with midjourney, though I havent even used my 25 free ones yet. But Ive seen great results

[jaunty wraith]

It's crazy good

[grand onyx]

Thanks so much for the opportunity to be part of the closed beta. This has probably been the most amazing tech beta I've played a part in and your community integration was fantastic. I hope the discord stays active for a long time.

[small vortex]

Ooh

[grand onyx]

midjourney is even more scummy than dalle. avoid.

[subtle isle]

Yes this gives me a glimmer of hope 😅

[gloomy nimbus]

I think the price should be lower than 13ct per prompt rn during beta because we need several prompts to get desired results. sometimes dalle doesn't even follow the text at all.

[small vortex]

Why?

[jaunty wraith]

vague attack? lol

[soft hull]

just did some maths
i was gonna make a music video with dalle2, but now it costs $95.84

[mint bramble]

Midjourney is 3 times cheaper than dalle2

[charred orchid]

That changed now. you can commercialize your generations now

[soft hull]

so, mediocre?

[unreal yarrow]

All the images have that “midjourney” look to it

[brisk anchor]

true

[jaunty wraith]

Just go to the MidJourney server, all generation is done in the server and you can look at other people generating in realtime. It's awesome

[modern linden]

its nice but very different 😛

[stone oar]

Also really good, but has a characteristic “look” if you so want to call it, it’s not as versatile as dall e I’d say

[soft hull]

Shit now you can make dalle2 nfts </3

[pale parcel]

I still cant find where people are seeing dall e 2 pricing

[pearl copper]

I've achieved results I never got with Dall-E

[grand onyx]

I will mention it right now, I will not be paying for DALL-E 2.

[mint bramble]

Email

[small vortex]

@jaunty wraith the unlimited tier is $30 if I'm correct from what I heard, right?

[jaunty wraith]

yup

[grand onyx]

well, it's been real guys. see you in the disco server maybe 😛

[jaunty wraith]

same. pixelmind too.

[small vortex]

Fuck that

[sinful badger]

At this price absolutely agree

[mint bramble]

$30 for 900 images in fast mode, then in queue

[small vortex]

I see

[brisk anchor]

yeah but you also came onto this server to complain that DALLE sucks

[soft hull]

</3 </3 </3

[manic yarrow]

yeah, it's sad but funny to see the NFT shills coming out of the woodwork to ask if they can commercialize their images lmao

[pearl copper]

To explain, MJ is better at understanding weird, artistic results, while Dall-E is better at normal, photographic things

[rose heron]

Dall-E mini here I come

[grand onyx]

To be fair, I used it for inspiration and just as an experiment...

[pale parcel]

SO WE STILL CANT SEE HOW MANY PROMPTS ARE LEFT!?

[small vortex]

No

Just no

[mint bramble]

Ye nice summary

[jaunty wraith]

that's not what they said

[brisk anchor]

we can

[grand onyx]

I can make art 50 times better myself.

[small vortex]

It shows you under account

[grand onyx]

And I do it all for free

[soft hull]

"and otherwise commercialize them."

[proper lantern]

credits left are now in your account

[stone oar]

Not necessarily, I guess it depends on the use case and what you’re looking for, it certainly has a specific aesthetic

[proud marsh]

Midjourney price tbh is good, anyone know if it’s good or nah?

[manic yarrow]

why would you do art for free

if not for personal enjoyment

[pale parcel]

I dont even have an account option for dall e 2

[grand onyx]

Because it's fun.

[brisk anchor]

they definitely did when they first shoed up

[soft hull]

Guys for god sake this is just a testing price

[grand onyx]

I like making 3D CGI

[mint bramble]

Just try it out, 25 free images. I think both dalle and mj have their own style

[unreal yarrow]

I don’t like the fact that you have to do it through discord

[soft hull]

you don't have it?

[silent lynx]

I don't see this vocal removing AI you speak of.

[proud marsh]

Hehe get doxxed

[small vortex]

Why not?

[pale parcel]

come get me

[mint bramble]

You can pm the bot so it's not crowded

[dawn schooner]

Glad to finally have a pay money button for dalle
This will really help with some of my creative projects i can only work on during the weekend

[grand onyx]

Guys come on, DALL-E 2 is just the pioneer of these A.I.s...

DALL-E 2 is not the future.

[sinful badger]

Who would have thought that the progress of ai generated art would have been stunted by the compulsion to nickel and dime the masses 🙃

[small vortex]

Yeah, and all the pricing is just openai testing out things

[grand onyx]

It's the beginning of the future.

[small vortex]

This is all new territory

[proud marsh]

Better be, kinda hope they go subscription based though

[tardy granite]

@warm flax Congratulations on Beta!

[grand onyx]

In the future, I see, are totally open source A.I.s that will be 170x better than DALL-E 2

[small vortex]

Imagine one day having ai make videos, movies, based off of simple plain language

[grand onyx]

Wait, does anyone agree we still have to have the 24 hour limit daily if anyone is paying?

[loud steeple]

i want to kill myself

[soft hull]

absolutely

[loud steeple]

hahaha

[soft hull]

id love that

subscription on top

[pale parcel]

I still don't know where everyone is seeing their "DALL E" account. I have regular open ai gpt account attached and thats it

[manic yarrow]

you're a fool if you believe that people would make stuff on this caliber for free anytime this decade imo

[grand onyx]

wouldn't the fact someone is payinng should remove the 24 hour limit?

[burnt hornet]

Is anyone worried that with commercial rights people are going to start sharing their prompts less?

[grand onyx]

That's what they said with Vocal Removing A.I.

[rotund kestrel]

vant find it though

[manic yarrow]

and the best ones are still paid

[grand onyx]

And yet I have Demucs3 Model B on my computer.

[rotund kestrel]

cant

[tall gate]

so we can make NFTs?

[grand onyx]

No.

[soft hull]

unfortunately

[proud marsh]

No

[small vortex]

No

[pale parcel]

I literally do not have that

[grand onyx]

GAUDIO Separation is THE BEST.

[soft hull]

wait you cant?

thats a relief

[stone oar]

This! tbh time based would make a lot more sense as a user than per prompt, the current model discourages me to even try to use or try something new and “waste” credits

[proud marsh]

First thing they got on the tos

[grand onyx]

And it's free and open source

[pearl copper]

Is it still 4 gens per prompt?

[soft hull]

they changed it

[manic yarrow]

thank god you can't make nfts

[loud steeple]

... who said u cant make NFTs?

[small vortex]

You can but fuck anyone who does

[pale parcel]

I only have access to collection

[grand onyx]

Very wrong

[silver hazel]

You can

[soft hull]

very sad news

[manic yarrow]

thats fuckin sad

[burnt hornet]

Who buys nfts anyway

[manic yarrow]

losers

[grand onyx]

Rich folks

[soft hull]

people who still think it's the future

[mint bramble]

Lol what's sad about others doing what they want. If you don't want to do it then don't

[low hawk]

@warm bronze

[tall gate]

Me

[low hawk]

oh wait, he sells them

[grand onyx]

why make an nft when you can get a commission as a digital artist and use dall e to make a sketch you can then make art over?

[manic yarrow]

then you're a chump

[soft hull]

i am not paying $127.76 for this video

[burnt hornet]

True @grand onyx

[grand onyx]

Guys come on. We ALL knew this was happening.

[mint bramble]

Sam Altman are you here

[proud marsh]

For receipt yea. for fake overhype collectibles digital art, no

[grand onyx]

Something owned by Microsoft is never free.

[small vortex]

Yeah they can't just run it for free forever

[uncut spoke]

Can someone give me a quick tldr?

[burnt hornet]

Nft as a means of receipt is legit Tbf

[loud steeple]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/

[small vortex]

They introduced a token system

[loud steeple]

🤨

[low hawk]

I don't think we knew the pricing was going to be about 4 cents per image

[soft hull]

jtheres a pricing plan now. $15 for 115 prompts

[proper lantern]

github disagrees

[mint bramble]

It costs $15 for 115 images

[proud marsh]

No more free 50 generation, 15$ for 115 generations

[soft hull]

also you can comercially use images. even nfts </3

[quartz wolf]

bonjour

[plush island]

@grand onyx yeah definitely agree, people are disappointed over nothing. It's going to get cheaper very quickly anyway, it's barely worth crying over it

[grand onyx]

but you can increase that....but paying more coin

[grand onyx]

It will become open source quickly...

[rotund kestrel]

even NFTs?

[small vortex]

I mean host you fool

[burnt hornet]

13 cents per gen

[rotund kestrel]

cant find it anywhere

[unreal yarrow]

Pain

[soft hull]

rather unfortunate

[proper lantern]

github is free, and is owned by microsoft. no need to get personal

[unreal yarrow]

No

[grand onyx]

lol

[old cloak]

Woaaaaah let's gooooo

[soft hull]

oh wait i can just look at that

[manic yarrow]

how much does 10 dollars get you

[loud tendon]

i think the commercial use part of the announcement sorta makes the 15$/115gens worth it

[old cloak]

can you link that information?

[grand onyx]

10 gets you no where

[proud marsh]

Nothing, only 15$ rn

[low hawk]

nothing, $15 or bust

[plush island]

doubt it with their track record, but close enough I guess. People will make video essays about the brief time people were bothered by a shortage of natural language content generation credits

[loud tendon]

if one uses it.... financially wise

[soft hull]

cryptobro

[cunning copper]

well, it was fun while it lasted

[mint bramble]

We all have dreams but we can't fulfill them all. Why don't we just pool money to fulfill mine?

[rocky burrow]

Everyone is acting as if the numbers and prices they've given are arbitrary. The compute-time and server resources required for this sort of speed and accuracy are INSANE. They likely aren't making much off of their current pricing model

[shrewd marsh]

hi

[old cloak]

sup

[silent lynx]

How do you know?

[soft hull]

ratio im afraid

[grand onyx]

This is the maximum possible to buy

[small vortex]

No but I mean using the computer power of anything is never 100% free or sustainable. Storage is fine, there are a lot of companies that give free storage, but computer power is a lot more of a hot commodity

[plush island]

@cunning copper what's the buying power with that? how much chicken does that get you?

[grand onyx]

Not happening

[soft hull]

bro i lclick on their profile and see some nft winery shit

[grand onyx]

750 dollars, income tax time here i come..

[cunning copper]

what ya mean

[silent lynx]

Damn 😆

[soft hull]

you're paying for it?

bro

[grand onyx]

no lol

[soft hull]

wait for the price to go down

[stone oar]

That would be a nice dinner at a restaurant

[cunning copper]

it's not japan where 100yen is a coin, 81R$ is a lot

[mint bramble]

At 100k users, they were burning $20M per month wow

[plush island]

@rocky burrow yeah, it keeps being funny, as if compute was free somehow

[loud tendon]

source?

[grand onyx]

here's the thing tho, the people who were waiting for acess, will pay in droves right now

[dense tapir]

I understand that’s not free but I was not ready

[grand onyx]

so no, the price will not go down

[rocky burrow]

Assuming there were 100K people using the 50 free prompts per day at their current pricing model

[civic wadi]

Being more thoughtful with your prompts due to pricing may lead to consistently better images

[uncut spoke]

Wait it's only 15 free credits per month?

[mint bramble]

50 images per day is $200 per month with current pricing. Assume they barely break even

[plush island]

ok, so like in most countries then... still might be worth it if you can turn it into some money on fiverr

[dawn schooner]

Absolutely 😁
I’ve been waiting for this for a while

[soft hull]

yeah

forgot to say that

[manic yarrow]

simply make better prompts 😏

[cunning copper]

the won't localise the price ig

[loud tendon]

i think they are going for more than breaking even. at least covering the costs for the development

[rocky burrow]

Sadly thats not how compute-time works

[soft hull]

technically i could make the video over the course of 5 years with free credits but no thank you

[grand onyx]

idk...right now you would have to rely on what beta users before this did to find out good prompts

[dense tapir]

What? How? 50% of my images are not recognizable. I’m not really confident as a Dalle promt engineer.

[grand onyx]

other than that, it would cost to find a good prompt

[mint bramble]

Faces are still bad imp

[plush island]

@manic yarrow lmao, kids in ten years are going to speak some jumbled mess of pseudo code, descriptors and general explanations of scenes to get a mood across, can't even begin to imagine how all this is going to shape and warp our perception

[gloomy nimbus]

agreed, need atleast 3-4 goes before u get the desired result, thats if u dont get something totally off

[raw quartz]

Feedback: The new payment plan is insane. Totally cripples experimentation for non-institutional users. I won't be using or recommending DALL-E while there's not a cheap/free tiered plan that offers a set amount of prompts PER DAY.

[faint pier]

I'm so disappointed, I would blow through 115 credits just experimenting trying to get a prompt right. This will discourage experimentation... I would much prefer a monthly subscription like MidJourney offers, at least I don't feel pressure that every failed generations is costing me money!

[alpine bluff]

15 a month is ridiculous tho as a free offer, that not enough for anyone to try the services

[silver hazel]

I think it’s extremely thoughtful of the OAI team to include a subsidised artist program 🙏

[cunning copper]

time to uninstall the app, expensive af

[loud tendon]

there are lots of guides to get up to speed fast. but i think that we as alpha testers have an edge. we tried and failed and tried again for free

[unreal yarrow]

Not with 15 free. Can’t get anywhere with that. Probably 1 creation per month

[grand onyx]

that's what im saying, new users would have to seek out what is already produced

[mint bramble]

Suggestion : 500 free credits per month for experimentation. No commercial use. Then start charging.

[loud tendon]

i'm not sure new users will have that kind of patience to get there

[sinful badger]

(Something something nft)

[plush island]

@raw quartz ok, so they are just going to eat millions of bucks in compute or what

[grand onyx]

can you td;lr that for me?

[gloomy nimbus]

New users are gonna have 50 free prompts afaik

[grand onyx]

like im an artist, what would that mean?

[misty glade]

I would hope we would get more than 4 images per prompt with this pricing plan

[low hawk]

it'd be cheaper to buy a domain and create a billion email addresses to sign up for those 50 initial credits than to pay for actual credits

[alpine bluff]

100 a month would be good for every non pro wanting to run variations of a prompt to test it

[unreal yarrow]

Uninstall??

[alpine sluice]

the email

[rocky burrow]

Likely reduced pricing for students or other examples of poor artists

[faint pier]

usually take me 10 to 20 generations to get something I'm happy with.

[unreal yarrow]

Facts

[grand onyx]

so would Openai loan artists money?

[mint bramble]

Or just use temp-mail.org lmao

[loud tendon]

good news

[gloomy nimbus]

no it would make credits cheaper

[rocky burrow]

no, likely just cheaper credits

[proud marsh]

No, just cost less for artist in need of money

[grand onyx]

ah i see....

[cunning copper]

Expensive, it's now going to just sit in a corner with no use for me

[civic wadi]

that is fair. we are lucky to have had experience. If my first time using it was 15 only it would be difficult

[manic yarrow]

maybe they could have an option where you get 100 per month but the resolution is reduced to make up for the processing cost?

[faint sentinel]

I wish they at least had a tiered system. "No usage rights by default but tokens are cheap. Opt in for $5 per image", maybe. I dunno

[silver hazel]

No, they would perhaps grant you X amount more prompts for free? Not sure, as they haven’t finished the program yet, but it’s extremely important that such program exists (imo) 🙏

[grand onyx]

though tbh, i dont want to depend on openai for revenue

[gloomy nimbus]

I think the pricing is a bit tonedeaf to the state of the world rn. just my 2 cents 🙂

[rocky burrow]

eh you'll have credits build up over the months

[tidal egret]

SAME 😢
$1 DOLAR = $225 OURS

[raw quartz]

You don't have to bootlick to support a service. Something like $10/month for 100 prompts/day would be incredibly popular, so tune it to make money from there.

[grand onyx]

i have a couple commisions rn, and Dall E 2 has been distracting, so idk if i'd want to depend on that

[proud marsh]

1 hour of minimum wage where I’m from

[civic wadi]

It said the credits do not carry over

[loud tendon]

you mean buying from them stictly what you want to use commercially?

[mint bramble]

2 cents? That wouldn't even create quarter of an image

[loud tendon]

the ones you pay for do

[faint sentinel]

Yeah.

[cunning copper]

here 1$ = 5R$

[low hawk]

hahahaha

[loud tendon]

that would be smart but i guess there would be lots of people who would sell them anyways, maybe just buy them in case they get caught

[nimble copper]

[cunning copper]

do they listen to feedback tho?

[rocky burrow]

With DALLE being the first commercial product in its space we will inevitably see Google's Parti and Metas new image generation with either cheaper or free alternatives just to gain users

[proud marsh]

W

[unreal yarrow]

What part of that is fair? A new user coming on will have no room for experimentation. It would just push people away from trying out the service

[mint bramble]

Tweet at sam Altman

[rocky burrow]

It's just a matter of time until other large tech companies want some market share in the space

[grand onyx]

speaking of selling images, how exactly would one go about that? Lots of digital artists have commission sheets for lots of details. How would you go about selling a Dall E 2 image by like say line or or fully shaded?

[faint pier]

I think OpenAI could learn from MidJourney, not to spend so much compute resources producing upscaled variations in one shot.... I only want to upscale the ones that look promising... I'm sure this saves MJ incredible amounts of compute and so can keep their prices reasonable.

[faint sentinel]

Maybe some other deterrent? Small images that you could upscale for a fee?

[unreal yarrow]

Google would benefit from a free model

[rocky burrow]

People will likely just take out the watermark and attempt to put generations straight on phone cases or sites like redbubble

[plush island]

@grand onyx make a fiverr account, tell people you turn their ideas into photo collages or something. could do a whole bunch I guess

[civic wadi]

I meant what you said is a fair point!

[rocky burrow]

Not far down the line google will undoubtedly 100% guarenteed, build this into "google images" as a "generate this image" search feature

[loud tendon]

well it's all fair and square now

[dusky leaf]

Something I didn't understand :

You are allowed to use it comercially, but you have to keep the DALL-E logo inside ..?

[sinful badger]

Yeah everyone just flood the fiverr market and subsidize the cost ezpz

[rocky burrow]

Likely not

Its your image, you are free to do with it as you please

[mint bramble]

Poor real artiste :(

[dawn schooner]

This is a really good point! Midjourney also supports different resolutions

[plush island]

@mint bramble the future is now, old men

[grand onyx]

I've heard of fiverr, but wouldn't what im doing someone else could do, because of access with Dall E 2? We have to hide our prompts now boys and girls lmao

[loud tendon]

i've seen a train of thought on reddit that put that into a nice perspective. image generation WILL for sure be a widely available (and maybe also free) thing, but usual people or clients usually don't really know how to express what they have in mind, that's where current day designer (close future prompt engineer) comes by

[hidden canyon]

115 credits 15 dollars?

Holy shit

[flint mantle]

When there was the switch from 10 images to 6, there was this discussion, where a few people stated, they would pay up to 200$ per month.. If you use 50 prompts a day you would pay 195$ a month... (487$ if you want the 10 images from back then 😦 )

[grand onyx]

it's an info war now

[mint bramble]

If ai take every job then who pay for ai
So open ai should introduce universal basic income. 500 credits per month

[plush island]

@grand onyx being a productive artist now is just a matter of knowing how to phrase it, I guess

[rocky burrow]

each credit creates 4 images

[hidden canyon]

just 4 images

[grand onyx]

maybe for others.....ive used dall e 2 for anatomy training

that's about it really..

[hollow dune]

soo

we are “officially in beta”

no more daily prompts lol

[vale prawn]

Sadly, a lot more testing needs to be done, and moving to beta will make it much more challenging. Research and creativity take a backseat when it comes to making money.

[mint bramble]

When gamma

[hollow dune]

yeah they did it way too early

[rocky burrow]

Again, everyone needs to remember, this is a beta and beta pricing, they will likely adjust it in the next release/version once it becomes even more public

[grand onyx]

the daily time limit is still there...

[stiff raven]

Yeah they'll make it more expensive

[hollow dune]

oh really?

[loud tendon]

so one is still limited to 50 prompts/day?

[hollow dune]

i can still do 50 images daily?

[loud tendon]

WHAT

[grand onyx]

i just tried it, i still have to wait 9 hours...

[hollow dune]

wait what

[proud marsh]

U would use up ur credits if u did that

Yes but no longer “free”

[loud tendon]

even with paid credits?

[hollow dune]

oh bruh

[rocky burrow]

That is probably just for todays free credits and then it will start rolling into your other credits without a time limit

[sinful badger]

Phew glad they kept that in

[hollow dune]

do i get 15 every month automatically or do i have login?

[mint bramble]

Y

[grand onyx]

this is my point, if im paying, that should go over the limit

[sinful badger]

Straight upgrade in the experience

[wicked oracle]

the commercial licensing is huge though

[grand onyx]

each generation uses resource right?

[loud tendon]

completely agreed

[grand onyx]

paying equals that

[silver hazel]

Has anyone tried generating an image? Can you confirm it used up 1 out of your current 150 credits? Meaning it shows you have 149 left?

[sinful badger]

Worst of both worlds

[unreal yarrow]

Auto

[loud tendon]

i'm doing that now, wait a sec

[zenith crater]

am i the only one not freaking out rn

[sinful badger]

Yes

[stiff raven]

What a disaster

[mint bramble]

Rich kid

[unreal yarrow]

Yes it’s 1 credit per generation

[hollow dune]

no more #daily-theme

[patent grail]

Mine got used up!

[hollow dune]

like really

[ocean dock]

Lol i had to generate an image to confirm to join the discord. Yep it did charge a credit.

[hollow dune]

no one will do daily prompts anymore

[sinful badger]

I had to use a generation to verify my account

[zenith crater]

i aint rich!

[modern linden]

so 15/month (free) right ?

[sinful badger]

🙂

[zenith crater]

why the delete

[proud marsh]

It’s gonna be #monthly now lol

[hollow dune]

XD

[loud steeple]

bro

[next robin]

Same here

[loud steeple]

i learned how to make anime catgirls etc

and make the system do licensed stuff

[uncut spoke]

Oh yeah #daily-theme won't be much use anymore 😢

[grand onyx]

from dalle?

[loud tendon]

yup. used one up

[loud steeple]

basically, good use of the trial

i am happy XD

[proud marsh]

Give me prompt rn. I am in need of anime cat girls

[loud steeple]

now when i pay i wont get tons of wasted prompts

[stone oar]

By semesters :)

[mint bramble]

People are now going to start selling prompts

[loud tendon]

yeah i guess we had it good for a while.

[grand onyx]

i want to test this, can you show me one of the cat girls you made? I bet i could sketch it pretty quickly lol

[sinful badger]

No keep it up so people are even more incentivized to spend their $$$$

[proud marsh]

Up that 15 free per month to 50 🥺

[loud tendon]

15 dollars minimum

[sinful badger]

That’s what dall-e is all about

[grand onyx]

using Dall e 2 to learn how to draw is very weird and new to me

[loud steeple]

uuuh, there's a guide on it
basically, you want "anime catgirl", "trending on artstation", "key anime visual"

[manic yarrow]

they should have ads on the site and lower the cost a little imo

[loud steeple]

u can do variations

[grand onyx]

i want to see if that's possible to someone who doesnt draw

[faint pier]

But mostly unusable images

[loud steeple]

like trending on pixiv

or key anime visual by X artist

but these words are VERY VERY NICE

[hollow dune]

yeah i’m not selling my stuff for free

[proud marsh]

Nah, just subscription base would be perfect

[next robin]

Open source Dall-E alternative cannot come soon enough

[grand onyx]

i've used pixiv, but there's better sites to use

[rocky burrow]

just depends how well you prompt

[loud steeple]

just make sure to have all of the 3 i sent, and do variations on them

[hollow dune]

i think it should be free but costy for mass scale corporarions

[hasty hatch]

I predict it goes down dramatically by the end of the year, or that personal use (with no commercial license) becomes an option for less

[loud tendon]

i dunno. i mostly got great results for most of my prompts. maybe i haven't been ambitious enough 😭

[mint bramble]

It's called openai, so I presume dalle is already open source?

[hollow dune]

like make it free but dall e owns the images or pay in large amounts but you own them

the current free business model sucks ngl

[loud tendon]

i figure mass scale corporations won't really use it in bulk so there was no need for that

[rocky burrow]

The research papers are the "Open" part

not the software

[stiff raven]

Corporations are the ones who can afford to replace graphic designers with credits

[grand onyx]

try "key anime visual; anime catgirl, 2d illustration(5px outline vector contours), 4k HD, by (your favorite artist)

[hollow dune]

most people will use dall e anyway just for memes or their own books, i think paying to own is better while free generations will attract customers

[full totem]

So just to be sure, we can now use DALL-E generations for NFTs?

[hollow dune]

apparently

[next robin]

Dall-E is not nearly good enough to replace graphic designers

[hollow dune]

you own the images

[rocky burrow]

Correct

[loud tendon]

i think anyone can right now, it's not about corpos

[manic yarrow]

unfortunately

[modern linden]

im gonna save up my 150 😛

[grand onyx]

essentially you should look at openai as fixers from cyberpunk right now

[charred orchid]

I don't think you own the images

[loud tendon]

no, but you can speed them up alot, at least the ideation phase

[rocky burrow]

My exact sentiment

[mint bramble]

Why you guys mad about nft lmao. Just don't buy them

[rocky burrow]

You do

[hollow dune]

the economy of dall e can crash with one announcement, what a sadge

[zenith crater]

bc they're horrendous for the environment

[manic yarrow]

simply don't destroy the planet more and we'll not hate your shitty monkey pics

[faint pier]

Yeah, it depends how selective you are. and of course how refined your prompt.

[loud tendon]

and you also own whatever you've created until now

[charred orchid]

you agree that OpenAI owns all Generations (including Generations with Uploads but not the Uploads themselves), and you hereby make any necessary assignments for this. OpenAI grants you the exclusive rights to reproduce and display such Generations

this suggests otherwise

[stiff raven]

You've clearly never worked on web content. Dall-E could do 95% of the design for a news site or lifestyle site today.

[mint bramble]

Fashion industry is 10% of CO2 emissions. Ethereum is much much lower

[zenith crater]

the original nfts...

[hollow dune]

that’s old news!

[sinful badger]

Also aren’t the images still watermarked?

[mint bramble]

Total emissions of ethereum are negligible

[silver hazel]

I USED TO HAVE ALL OF THEM

[modern linden]

thats is correct those servers/machines consume tremendous amounts of energy, to give it a perspective, some of these datacenters consume enough to power a town for a week.

[calm berry]

Hi

[lofty birch]

i am definitely signing up for that subsidized artist interest program lmao

[plush island]

@stiff raven 95% of the upper-tier design jobs at that, this is no joke

[leaden plinth]

I got the mail, I'm happy and at the same time a little sad, because as I said I don't have a fixed income, and sometimes it gets even more complicated, but I wish everyone who can have an excellent day in this wonderful company, I will be for as long as they allow me and encourage everyone, thanks dall-E for the emotions and the joy of seeing my ideas converted into an image

[loud steeple]

i need eastern block subsidy asap

[dawn schooner]

Post in bugs

[charred orchid]

yeah you can sell the images but you can't sell ownership to them, that's kind of a huge difference

[grand onyx]

?

[loud tendon]

you just select the squares in photoshop and go to fill > content aware and they are gone. it's no biggie

[proud marsh]

Please don’t get any ideas 🥹

[loud tendon]

got pretty good results with that technique

[rocky burrow]

My main gripe with NFTs isnt even the environmental impact since that will be solved later this year with the proof of stake of ETH, its just that 95% of all NFT projects purely exist as some sort of way to make money, not to actually solve any sort of problem or utility. They are all just attempting to pose as "artists" trying to sell their art, and people will attempt to pass off DALLE images in the same manner

[full totem]

[dawn schooner]

I am agreeing with you that maintaining a daily limit is a bug! Its going to get buried in this channel though. Especially today

[loud tendon]

multilevelmarketings

[mint bramble]

Ok if you don't like then don't buy. I don't like nft either but the complaining is more annoying

[silver hazel]

Are you guys happy with the pricing?

[manic yarrow]

no

[grand onyx]

you mean, i can make 9 squares and tell Dall E to generate in them ┌ ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ ┐

[unreal yarrow]

No

[charred orchid]

not really, bit hefty I think

[mint bramble]

Can't afford

[stiff raven]

Nah the NFTs are def more annoying

[mint bramble]

No

[full totem]

A little steep but demand is clearly there so I think it makes good business sense

[wicked oracle]

i think its worth it for licensing

[rocky burrow]

Seeing the advertisements and shilling on social media about every single person trying to make their own NFT project is 100% more annoying than the complaints

[manic yarrow]

nfts are far more annoying than complaining about nfts lmao

[obtuse zealot]

lol people are still doing NFTs?

[modern linden]

had to read that twice XD

[grand onyx]

i still dont even get nfts

[mint bramble]

I see more complaints and peeps selling nfts

[sinful badger]

Ahh yes make it expensive because they can take it

[grand onyx]

or how they make money

[proud marsh]

Does dalle understand Japanese name?

[rocky burrow]

I see the opposite

[hollow dune]

it’s not about how much pricing rather that pricing, i wish to continue to “have fun” with dall e but i dont want to pay and own it. there really needs to be a choice to generate free images but don’t own them

[loud tendon]

i think it's acceptable. would've liked it to be way less in order to use it how i currently do, but it's not too much. at least if one pays attention to their prompts

[grand onyx]

onama e wa, wakarimasuka?

[mint bramble]

Find better groups then

[charred orchid]

since an NFT aren't inheritly transferring ownership to the attached image I don't see a reason why you wouldn't be able to do that. You just can't say "if you buy this NFT you purchase ownership of this picture" because that'd be false. Didn't stop NFTbros in the past however.

[full totem]

Agreed

A commercial and non-commercial license

[proud marsh]

Like in Japanese characters

[stiff raven]

Anyway I'm glad we can all agree that this pricing is bad, even if we can't agree on NFTs or the environment. We're really coming together

[loud tendon]

try the subsidized program, i'll submit the form too

[hollow dune]

try what?

[calm parcel]

honestly, I think it's too cheap, but fine by me 😄

[rocky burrow]

The pricing is not built into the fact that you commercially own them now, its about the cost to compute the images

[zenith crater]

i agree, im not using it as much nowadays to go broke with it

[grand onyx]

oh maybe, im not sure, but i know there's japanese people with beta acess

[rocky burrow]

The pricing is not built into the fact that you commercially own them now, its about the cost to compute the images

[wicked oracle]

it allows for way more people to be able to "join the club" AND lets us use the generated images for commercial purposes

[loud tendon]

ohhhh let's vpn this shit

[stuck nymph]

i think 15 prompts is pretty good a month

for free

[mint bramble]

Rich kid

[manic yarrow]

everyone thinks you are brave for being a contrarian, trust me bro

[subtle isle]

I think that the current pricing deviates too much from the questionnaire that they send out a few weeks ago. Can't imagine that others wrote such a high pricing per prompt. But hope they'll re-evaluate their pricing :)

[unreal yarrow]

That’s insane

[full totem]

Good point

[hollow dune]

tbh competition will arrive sooner or later and dall e will be free anyway in the LONG* term

[grand onyx]

if you dont have a vpn in this day and age, you're doing it wrong

[obtuse zealot]

i use at least 15 prompts a day

[proud marsh]

50 a month or 30 (One per day)

[calm parcel]

not really... I'm almost 40, I work for my $. $0.13 per prompt is pennies

literally

[loud tendon]

i guess they went with something they can subsequently reduce from.

[versed gulch]

It might be more reasonable if there were more images per prompt. 4 seems a bit small when you’re actually paying for it

[rocky burrow]

Correct, its just a waiting game, like with many things in technology the pricing of this will drastically reduce over the next 2 years, just be patient

[unreal yarrow]

I use 15 prompts just to get a generation how I want it

[rocky burrow]

its a world changing technology

[hollow dune]

👆

[rocky burrow]

the fact that we have access to something this powerful for this cheap is already insane

[subtle isle]

Yeah I hope so too :)

[rocky burrow]

the price will come down very quickly

[grand onyx]

it wont

[hollow dune]

well ai to generate images already exists

[rocky burrow]

Maybe not by OAI but by competition

[mint bramble]

Google images is free though

[calm parcel]

I feel like they're barely covering expenses at the current pricing, honestly

[hollow dune]

imagen isn’t out

[loud tendon]

that's also true. it's a perspective shift we now suffer from because we got used to the 50gens/daily/free

[grand onyx]

businesswise, if they make lots of bucks off of this, it wont make sense to lower the price

[calm parcel]

doubt there's much, if any, profit margin at this price

[stuck nymph]

Google might undercut

[mint bramble]

I mean the actual Google images

[zenith crater]

that's why i think we shouldn't act so entitled to have it for free/close to free

[rocky burrow]

Google images doesnt have an image of a lemon in sunglasses driving an icecream truck through a burning rainforest

[unreal yarrow]

Do you work for dalle

[zenith crater]

also you don't own the images on google images

[grand onyx]

no but it makes sense

[manic yarrow]

if i want to see generated images i would simply get high and use my mind 😏

[faint reef]

It would be interesting to know what the cost for each prompt computation is even if that disregards the R&D that went into it to make it possible

[grand onyx]

the hasty move for pricing tells alot

[charred orchid]

google images isn't giving me exactly what I want if that thing doesn't exist already (and is easy to find)

[stuck nymph]

also who knows the compute on this... has anyone deployed dalle-mini or the opensource version locally

[loud steeple]

They are a tech company, they aren't supposed to make money, they are supposed to gain hype and investors.

That's how tech sector works

[hollow dune]

ahh

[loud steeple]

Esp silicon valley

[loud tendon]

i think subscription based image generation ai's will win this game from the business perspective.

[hollow dune]

the free ones will win too

[grand onyx]

that's what i hoped open ai did

[loud tendon]

how much would you guys pay for unlimited dall-e?

[mint bramble]

Guys try lucid dreaming. It's like dalle but for videos. And it's totally free

[grand onyx]

like i'd pay for a certain amout of credits per month

[faint reef]

Exactly

[unreal yarrow]

When they start producing better human faces I’ll think about paying and better generations in general

[loud tendon]

not business-wise, if they don't find a way to make money

[grand onyx]

good point

[calm parcel]

LOL

[rocky burrow]

Subscription models will not work for something that requires this much compute power. Its like renting a bitcoin farm for $10 a month, it costs WAY MORE to run that than $10, so they cant offer it at that price

[manic yarrow]

take some edibles and i get dalle but for music, no joke

[faint reef]

That’s what we’re working on actually

[hollow dune]

fair

[stuck nymph]

I mean paygo is the way to go to make money but there should be a biz license vs consumer

[haughty zealot]

i am very happy that 15 free credits per month is a thing.

[loud tendon]

so, say, 100 $ / month?

[mint bramble]

What do you mean, like a way to record lucid dreams?

[trim jasper]

Around 35 dollars for 30 days unlimited would be my cap.

[stark fractal]

Happy birthday to me 🙂

[grand onyx]

then why dont they just let us download the app and use our own gpu?

[proud marsh]

Issue with paying for credit is that some images just won’t be what you would like, so subscription is best

[manic yarrow]

i think 30 credits per month would be good, one generation per day on most months

[faint reef]

The brain is a virtual reality generator just have to practice these days to lucid dream regularly

[grand onyx]

what

[zenith crater]

[unreal yarrow]

Ain’t no way 😭

[rocky burrow]

They may eventually have a subscription model once they get enough user data as to how much the average users actually generate each month and can their server costs

[grand onyx]

happy birthday by the wa

[zenith crater]

happy bday!

[manic yarrow]

- BIRTH

[unreal yarrow]

Happy birthday tho

[stuck nymph]

hence the beta ot work out the kinks

[rocky burrow]

I've spoken with many of the Engineers at OAI, you would need a GPU with 50+ GB to run anything even close to this

[mint bramble]

Comes with haptics too

[wicked oracle]

they should let you buy banned objects

[rocky burrow]

Its not something you can just run locally

[faint pier]

I think OpenAi could have softened the pricing blow, if they had released the news along with brand new features... better in-painting and un-cropping, adjustable aspect ration, fixed spelling issue, relaxed content policy, ect.

[wicked oracle]

like $50 and you can use the word "gun" for one generation

[unreal yarrow]

Can I plug my dalle instagram here?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CgDjacOsAhU/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

discoverdall.e

These women are not real. They were all created with. Can’t wait till DALLE gets better with generating human faces.
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Inspired by:
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Instagram

[uncut spoke]

#shameless-promo

[zenith crater]

omg i love those

but yes shameless promo

[stark fractal]

While the price is pretty high, I'm very grateful to be able get unlimited usage again. The restrictions were completely hampering a bunch of art projects I wanted to work on 🙂

[unreal yarrow]

I used “dead flower” and got flagged. Had to change it to “withered”

[grand onyx]

so like, did they really take away the "50 prompts a day" to "15 prompts a month"

[proud marsh]

I’m don’t think any consumer grade hardware would be able to handle it

[unreal yarrow]

Oh thank you

[manic yarrow]

i had a prompt that included "shooting lasers" and it got flagged

[rocky burrow]

You have to remember, its much more logical to start off at higher pricing now than to have a cheaper one and then increase the price, just look at netflix, once they raised their prices, thousands of people left, if they start it high, they can always come down with no outlash

[faint reef]

Like neural interface powered dreams. Using tech to trigger your brain to dream on demand.

[zenith crater]

probably "shooting"

[mint bramble]

Even ugly is banned. No representation for people like me 😂

[grand onyx]

i cant really see my self selling dalle images, maybe im just modest, but i'd feel guilty getting commisioned $90 for a generated image

[faint reef]

@mint bramble

[manic yarrow]

it was but thats still rediculous out of context lmao

[loud steeple]

Wtf why since when

Fuck this

[loud tendon]

i think it would get pretty close to the 15 gens/month if they would do that 😂

[frail nimbus]

I was expecting something like that... or upscaling. maybe credits go for upscaling to 1920 or 2k

[proud marsh]

Same. It’s the “shooting” part I just went with “laser coming out of” instead lol

[rocky burrow]

You're in the minority, many people will gladly sell generated images

[loud steeple]

I want the Russian dall e

[manic yarrow]

i went with "lasers beaming"

[zenith crater]

i know they're just playing safe

[grand onyx]

i know....

[loud steeple]

They are working on it rn

[burnt mountain]

You may post it at #shameless-promo! 🙂

[loud steeple]

I bet we will be able to pay for it

Don't worry it will get cheaper with competition

[stiff raven]

I mean it's logical for a company that is trying to make the most possible money, not a company with a mission statement like OpenAI

[unreal yarrow]

Felt

[loud tendon]

depends on how many $ we're talking about i guess

[loud steeple]

And competitors will have good training sets

[loud tendon]

90/ image is a lot

[grand onyx]

don't worry about using the word ugly, the faces get ugly plenty lmao

[unreal yarrow]

Thanks again 😅

[faint reef]

The difference with lucid dreaming is that it puts the self into the experience unlike AI image generation which makes you merely an observer

[rocky burrow]

many people have the wrong idea about OpenAI, their RESEARCH is open, their software and datasets are not

[patent grail]

You have the option to verify manually too

[loud tendon]

but maybe 5?10? you can't say you are not working when finding a good image

[loud steeple]

Yes guys just imagine that ur good at art and graphic design

That's how u get better

[mint bramble]

I wish I could share lucid dreams with friends. Maybe with neuralink

[stiff raven]

OpenAI LP’s primary fiduciary obligation is to advance the aims of the OpenAI Charter, and the company is controlled by OpenAI Nonprofit’s board.

[loud steeple]

Don't practice

Magically get better while sleeping

That's not years of constant studying

[manic yarrow]

im not putting elon musk in my brain

[loud steeple]

Shape design drawing sleepless nights

[tall gate]

according to the Terms, we “Own our prompts”

[swift void]

I wish DALL-E would show lower res versions of the generations and then you use credits to download hi-res versions. It just takes me a while most of the time to get a generation I'm truly happy with

[loud steeple]

Just dream it!!

[grand onyx]

well,...i can just gen an image, and use my own art skills to make it into concept art, to an eventually finished image

[manic yarrow]

i don't trust that guy to build a car much less safely put a chip in my head lmao

[grand onyx]

and profit

[tall gate]

https://labs.openai.com/policies/terms

[loud steeple]

Just dream it bro and then paint it

It's so easy

!!

[faint reef]

If you message me I can share our whitepaper

[loud steeple]

No need for dalle

[rocky burrow]

This would be how I would do it as well

[manic yarrow]

i think they call that imagining

[grand onyx]

i showed an example at reddit. It was the batman art conversion image

[silver hazel]

Astral projection meet & greet tonight!!! ⭐

[faint reef]

But dalle accelerates the process and you could at least use it as a sketching tool

[loud steeple]

U sound like a bit

Bot

[stiff raven]

Both

[grand onyx]

ah see this is a good thought

ive been sketching over dall e images for anatomy practice

[loud tendon]

u sound like you're not contributing to the conversation

[grand onyx]

you can even use it for composition and perspetive practice too

[loud steeple]

I am

Jusr lucid dream

!

[mint bramble]

Just use dalle to create the sketch

[grand onyx]

done that already...i still want to use my own lol

ill show an example

[stiff raven]

I mean. It's not a great idea to use Dall-E for anatomy reference considering it is very wrong about anatomy a lot of the time. Use an actual photo of a real person

[loud steeple]

This

Also actual photos are more expressive

Quick pose sketching rly helps

[hollow dune]

btw

does dall e care about the text bug or no?

[loud steeple]

They do

[low hawk]

if you see the potential of dalle as a tool to include in your workflow for creating whatever, great

if you want to nitpick and complain, there you go

[hollow dune]

dall e really isn’t ready for monetization yet

[loud steeple]

It's not

[dusky leaf]

I'm still wondering why you can't change the opacity on the INPAINTING brush

[mint bramble]

Nice

[stark fractal]

OpenAI didn't handle introducing pricing in a great way - they are an academic, developer-driven company after-all - but you're literally getting access to a technology that would've been considered magic just 1-2 years ago for a fairly reasonable price (although, I think they'd be better off with an API-first approach but that's another story!)

[shell bane]

Now that commercial use is allowed, what is the best way to upscale an image?

[grand onyx]

iirc, elon musk donated to openai right?

[zenith crater]

how would that work? generally curious

[rocky burrow]

program called waifu2x works amazingly

[grand onyx]

details?

[mint bramble]

$10 million yes

[rocky burrow]

download, put in image, upscale

[loud steeple]

Who owns OpenAI?

[rocky burrow]

http://waifu2x.udp.jp/

[grand onyx]

i see

[zenith crater]

me.

[mint bramble]

https://www.reddit.com/r/waifu2x/comments/mucsol/every_versions_of_waifu2x_i_know_about/

[loud steeple]

Let's get to know each other 😜

[dusky leaf]

Check this out

https://www.prosepainter.com/

[rocky burrow]

Probably one of the best upscalers is one called GigapixelAI by Topaz

you can find torrents of it online

[stark girder]

Realersgan is better than gigapixel imo

[rocky burrow]

I'll have to give that one a look, havent seen that one

[steel olive]

I find Gigapixel works well for photos, but sometimes struggles with art. Haven't heard of Realersgan 😮

[zenith crater]

that's cool, but i don't think the model is supposed to combine two proposed images into one image (that's what an opacity brush would do)

it's better off completely generating something new otherwise it might look funky

[grand onyx]

so...any one know any good prompts to potentially generated frames of something? im an animator as well

[stark girder]

https://github.com/n00mkrad/cupscale

[rocky burrow]

Wish I could bookmark posts

[loud steeple]

For what images?

Gigapixel is really good on photos

[stark girder]

Better and free, try it out and compare

[loud steeple]

And on charcoal drawings and paintings

But fails on anime and detailed abstract stuff

Quite often

I've used gigapixel a ton

[stark girder]

ersgan has a dedicated model for anime stuff

[rocky burrow]

sadly not yet, but thats next on the horizon https://twitter.com/_akhaliq/status/1548353372855488512?s=21

AK (@_akhaliq)

CogVideo Demo and Models released
demo: https://t.co/Ynm7qMk8H9
models: https://t.co/1JuOHTPO5C

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Twitter · Jul 16, 2022, 5:06 PM

text to video

[loud steeple]

U download pretrainrd model locally?

[autumn token]

DALL-E not worth it

15 free credits every subsequent month. You can buy additional credits in 115-generation increments for $15.

[rocky burrow]

Thats just initial pricing, competition and usage data will make the price go down over time Im sure

[autumn token]

0.13 per generation

[rocky burrow]

Insanely cheap for such a powerful technology. You have just been spoiled with the 50 free generations per day

[loud steeple]

0,13 sounds alright tbh

[rocky burrow]

many people would pay $15 to have access right now

[dusky leaf]

if for example you have a picture of a face, and you only paint around it, it looks kinda cheap photoshopped.

But if could paint the face as well with light opacity, then it could also "belong" with the rest of the iamge

[loud steeple]

15 USD doesn't sound alright

Idk

Let's just say 0.13 per gen

So it sounds cheaper

[autumn token]

DIsco is cheaper

[vast swift]

that only sounds cheaper to smoothbrains

[rocky burrow]

and not as good

[autumn token]

It is

if u know how to use

[loud steeple]

I'm gonna fight u

[zenith crater]

idk i can't imagine a face that's legit half another face over another half 😭

[rocky burrow]

I guess I havent used it personally, where are you running prompts?

[loud steeple]

😠

[steel olive]

I was honestly expecting much worse haha. I'm fine paying up front for a big lump of credits. At first you blast through 50 images quickly, but over time your prompts start to become a lot more thoughtful/purposeful. Where it will hurt is video though 😦

[rocky burrow]

Just in colabs?

[autumn token]

Collab, or sagemaker, or just make a cluster anywhere

can run locally

this technology is only worth if u really scale it

[rocky burrow]

I've yet to find a model that can produce anything close to as good as these that I made from dalle

[autumn token]

15 usd we dont even get an API

[mint bramble]

We should implement socialism, like pool in all the subscriber money then distribute the credits equally

[autumn token]

We have a dumb filter

and they tamper the prompts

[loud steeple]

What prompts did u use?

I rly wanna make illustrations

But they look like absolute crap

[tardy bloom]

haha very interesting

[loud steeple]

I don't know the magic keyword s

Dalle is a game of finding magic keywords

[stone spruce]

For comparison on prompt pricing

[autumn token]

I think quality is very subjective, specially if u dont know how to build your model

[loud steeple]

For artstyles

[rocky burrow]

the key for those was cinematic lighting, digital artwork, chibi, vector, and kawaii

[stone spruce]

DALL-E 2 - $0.1304
MJ standard plan - $0.0333
MJ basic plan - $0.0500 (taking 60 seconds per job)
MJ metered mode - $0.0666

[loud steeple]

Cheers

I will utilize them well!

[zenith crater]

honestly dalle 2 is 2x better than mj so...

[fiery reef]

I have 150 credits in which 50 expire by August 13 :(

[autumn token]

Disco Diffusion is better than MJ

[loud steeple]

Mj is super nice

[rocky burrow]

putting "chibi" and "kawaii" with elements in the prompt work the best like "chibi icecream truck"

[stone spruce]

You're right! It is by far better

[faint reef]

For commercial usage rights has OpenAI said anything about the watermark on each image

[loud steeple]

It's artsy

[autumn token]

we dont have init_image

[mint bramble]

Depends on what you want, I think mj is more beautiful

[autumn token]

we cant do video

[zenith crater]

true, it's really good with fantasy art

[autumn token]

we dont have acces to API

[vale prawn]

What is the saddest thing you know? I and many others tested Dalle around the clock, sharing the best experience and results with everyone. They won't be able to do it as easily because most of us don't have the money to spend on tests, but new users with significant capital will enter the project, copy our findings and sell them as NFTs. That's the whole story about how the world works now.

[loud steeple]

Very cool, looking forward

[zenith crater]

but my niche is people i think

[stone spruce]

But it is the only plan

[rocky burrow]

https://twitter.com/_akhaliq/status/1548353372855488512?s=21 soon enough we will

AK (@_akhaliq)

CogVideo Demo and Models released
demo: https://t.co/Ynm7qMk8H9
models: https://t.co/1JuOHTPO5C

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Twitter · Jul 16, 2022, 5:06 PM

[tardy bloom]

#community-help message free to remove

[crimson oracle]

That was the fastest heel turn i've witnessed lol

[rocky burrow]

definitely shoot me any neat results

[loud steeple]

That guy on top mid

Lmao

[loud steeple]

Alright

[fiery reef]

Pog?

[zenith crater]

queen joanne

[rocky burrow]

As I said, its much easier to lower prices in the future rather than hike prices after a low price was said first.

No one complains when prices go down, everyone complains if it becomes more expensive

[fiery reef]

I would pay 1 cent for prompt

[autumn token]

0.13 a generation is bad. The real users is the engineers that will make services with it

it has to be at 0.05 or less

cant do prompt chaining

[low hawk]

eh, the market will decide

[modern linden]

no prices are fixed, they are all up for change in the future

so be patient

[fiery reef]

@lean harness haha -1 generation

[lean harness]

yeah lol F

[zenith crater]

ORIA <3

[autumn token]

1 prompt chaining algo can do dozens of generations before it achieves the goal

[violet wigeon]

WTFFFFF

[zenith crater]

welcome to the party

[burnt hornet]

Thistle cat is late to the party

[mint bramble]

Thistle is from mars

[rocky burrow]

@violet wigeon

[mint bramble]

Light speed delay

[violet wigeon]

Well I just woke up from a nap :(

[grand onyx]

https://twitter.com/jd_pressman/status/1549523790060605440

Is this necessary?

John David Pressman (@jd_pressman)

What I thought OpenAI was doing: Guiding the prior to increase aesthetics, content filter and "de-bias"

What OpenAI is actually doing: Tacking on "black" and "female" at random to prompts months after initial public access

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Twitter · Jul 19, 2022, 10:37 PM

[fiery reef]

@violet wigeon it's not a dream

[rocky burrow]

Hacked together solution for sure, I agree its unnecessary.

[zenith crater]

i hope you had a good nap bestie

[mint bramble]

Just my 2 credits, if you want something just be more specific

[violet wigeon]

It felt so good

[autumn token]

if they remove all the filters and stop tampering the prompts them I pay 0.1 per generation

[violet wigeon]

My last ever good nap

[rocky burrow]

People are going to steal that phrase forever, i love it

[fiery reef]

:0

[burnt hornet]

It’s currently 0.13 per feb

Gen

[violet wigeon]

So is it available for everyone now?

[broken osprey]

welp any generations from today count against your 50 monthly credits

[low hawk]

yes

[grand onyx]

I don't get the reference

[violet wigeon]

Fuck I shouldn't of tried generating photorealistic cats to send to my friend with DID

[autumn token]

10-20% of your credits will go to waste with their "diversity" policy

[violet wigeon]

Yeah

[burnt hornet]

Ngl that’s probably true

[grand onyx]

Say what? I thought it's free?

[rocky burrow]

people say "just my two cents" when weighing in on an opinion, he said "just my two credits" referencing the new credit system

[grand onyx]

Wait, have I been paying today?

[burnt hornet]

No

You got credits

[rocky burrow]

Check your email and announcements tab, some are free, they introduced paid

[burnt hornet]

50 first month

Then 15 per mo th

[grand onyx]

oof

[burnt hornet]

Non stacking tho

[violet wigeon]

Does everyone have access now?

[burnt hornet]

No

Beta release

[modern linden]

aint that the truth in "all" situations 😛

[autumn token]

can we trade credits ?

[burnt hornet]

Negatory

[autumn token]

gift credits?

[burnt hornet]

1 million members to join the beta

[grand onyx]

So, I talked to Jersey64

[vagrant crow]

with the new system, why don't they remove the logo?

[honest badge]

So that people don't lie and claim that they made it themselves.

[burnt hornet]

I agree

Why am I being punished for the acts of others

[violet wigeon]

How are we supposed to afford food and gas when it takes 4 credits to generate this image? (All I asked was a venta-black cat)

[low hawk]

that's an expensive cat

[zenith crater]

you rn

[rocky burrow]

it only costs 1 credit, not 4

[burnt hornet]

That’s almost a dollar cat

Might have taken 4 generations

[rocky burrow]

115 credits = 460 images

[violet wigeon]

Nah

4 generations

[honest badge]

jaywalking cat

[low hawk]

jay leno walking a cat

[burnt hornet]

That cat bout to be a splat

[violet wigeon]

Nice Craiyon generation. Here comes midjourney and parti

[honest badge]

Not craiyon

https://tinyurl.com/badlessonfortheAI

[burnt hornet]

Does anyone know if the 24 hour thing still applies

[violet wigeon]

-_- its sarcasm

[low hawk]

no

it's 30 days now

you gain 15 credits

[loud steeple]

u get to cry every 24 hours and think of the good old ays

[low hawk]

instead of 50 credits every 24 hours

[mint bramble]

It looks like this request may not follow our content policy

[honest badge]

my bad, need sleep and now I won't wase 50 prompts per day, now that i have to hoard wehat's left

[burnt hornet]

no I mean 24 hours between generations

Within the 30 days

[violet wigeon]

I have a dentist's appointment soo

[honest badge]

15 free prompts per 30 days

huehue

[burnt hornet]

I’m not sure my question is getting across properly

[violet wigeon]

OpenCCP

[burnt hornet]

Can you use all your credits at once

[low hawk]

yes

[burnt hornet]

Could you in theory do 1000 generations at once

[low hawk]

should

[burnt hornet]

Gotcha

[mint bramble]

Yes that limit should be removed

[grand onyx]

Is there a way to see how many remaining credits you have?

[small vortex]

Go to your account

[honest badge]

Can I compress 10 credits into 1 supercredit for a super DALL-E image

jk

[low hawk]

yes, you go to midjourney

[crimson oracle]

if you compress 100 credits together the thing comes to life and kicks your ass

[violet wigeon]

I wished

[burnt hornet]

Someone suggested at an earlier stage that you get to see the generation before it’s complete to try and determine whether the prompt is good or not

So you don’t waste an entire credit

[grand onyx]

The same as GPT-3?

[burnt hornet]

I never used gpt3

[grand onyx]

I only find this on the Dalle page

No credits anywhere

[violet wigeon]

Refresh

[violet wigeon]

I know how to have unlimited gpt 3 lol been using the method for like over half a year

[broken osprey]

Smh I blew 25 credits today generating godzillas (assumed today was good old 50/per)

[mint bramble]

How

[grand onyx]

Oh I had to reload the page

Yayy

[stone spruce]

Hm—it definitely shouldn't be hidden under another tab. They should move it to the navbar area

[hollow dune]

it was properly announced via email and all

[stone spruce]

Talking about the credits

[grand onyx]

Guys, I spoke to Jersey64

[violet wigeon]

I'm not telling u lol but even before that they had a system where you could just do an unlimited amount of words until it got "too expensive" and added 4000 word limit per acc but I just make more

[stone spruce]

For something that's going to cost people money it should be put directly in front of them. Think of the gas/electricity on your car. It is directly in front of you on your dashboard. Would you prefer that or opening your glovebox to see how much longer you have left til you need to fill up?

[crimson oracle]

looks like it was worth it though

[south fog]

My problem with the paid system is exactlly that. It`s ok to pay for the service, but the majority of the time is try and error .. maybe use the same system as MJ with lower resolution first as preview .. and if you like what you got is, than use a full credit ...

[mint bramble]

Omg. Got blocked :(

[brazen sierra]

if someone uses dall-e to generate a logo for their company and they trademark it, then someone else uses dall-e with same prompt and generates same image, then does the second person also have rights to it?

[modern linden]

you pay for electricity, servicing, server resource

[mint bramble]

Anyone know infinite gpt3 how

[modern linden]

thats what u "pay" for

[stone spruce]

Bro

I know.