openai-chatter

[radiant remnant]

Not DALL-E images, (Testing with DALL-E next 😄 ) But I was curious about Ai "Self Portraits" - and used the Prompts DALL-E 2 and Midjourney in Midjourney, thought the results were interesting!

[grand onyx]

The alpha channel is interesting😵‍💫

[radiant remnant]

Interesting!
One of the things I was meaning to test was if you could essentially draw a rough concept / image of what you want, then ask DALL-E to fill in it with better details, was thing along those lines?

[grand onyx]

Thank you, I'm testing that out actually, got some screenshots with interesting alpha interpretations(?, but maybe i'm just hallucinating. Prompt "A person"

And this one

[left pebble]

I'm pretty sure @wicked kiln did some testing of this pretty successfully. I think in some instances it helped to be 'seeded' with a bit of an image to get it to go in the right direction. example: for a cat they put a small bit of cat fur on the image they wanted it to make

[radiant remnant]

Interesting 😮 Thanks, going to explore this a bit!

[left pebble]

Dug through and found some links of theirs to help : https://labs.openai.com/s/phlr1pOrpvBdD4AdzUxch9kZ
https://labs.openai.com/s/KTXCWc8Kn93NE9lZewN5QygH

#❌┃tips-n-tricks message
#❌┃tips-n-tricks message

https://labs.openai.com/s/8NGnDPNWYiexjq2QwpG8sM9V

#❌┃tips-n-tricks message

[grand onyx]

Thank you so much. Did not mean to spam. Thought I had searched

[radiant remnant]

❤️

Thank you!!! Those are awesomely helpful! 😄

Thats the kinda tsuff we need to pin somewhere / have on a FAQ aha

[wicked kiln]

Thank you for searching!

[radiant remnant]

Great experiments @wicked kiln Very cool

[wicked kiln]

Also this one draws the sketch in another style #❌┃tips-n-tricks message

And https://labs.openai.com/s/FbowxcHxw6jU0Hsg52xQddRr

[radiant remnant]

Tested out seeding an image with mostly alpha, (on the left) and "Ancient stone tiles arranged in an intricate pattern" - and got these results. pretty cool! More tests comin 😄

[obtuse maple]

@radiant remnant This is such an unbelievably powerful tool for people working in your domain. Do you find it intimidating at all? I would specify what kinds of icons appear on the tiles; maybe "medieval craft guild symbols" or hieroglyphics. Dall-e is generally very good at showing you what your prompt might be missing. Here, it's struggling to to figure out what to put on those tiles.

[radiant remnant]

It is right! - and not at all, I love it 😄
I don't think it will remove jobs, but it will change the workflow. A good understanding of the texture maps and material response is still required, Plus knowing the other software for editing and material authoring (Substance Designer for example, and photoshop) - and then there is game dev knowledge needed, how to split up materials over a project, trim sheets, shader applications, deciphering which materials are required and the list goes on - Essentially someone to handle the aspects of this, even if the workflow is easier and faster. It's a powerful tool and should be embraced, because its coming regardless xD

Right that makes sense! I was trying to have it arrange the tiles in a non square format, in a patterned way, but that also makes sense.

[little cave]

DALLEmini HAS to be renamed - it confuses people already https://twitter.com/NotintheAsylum/status/1536508332856553472

Zazkyra (@NotintheAsylum)

@EnzymeZoo @xychelsea I see, I had no idea there were seperate DALL-E's, just thought the mini version was like a lite version of the full DALL-E or something like that.

Twitter · Jun 14, 2022, 12:38 AM

Note the entire thread till to the poster

[stark fractal]

It's crazy how it's getting an overwhelming majority of the attention on social right now despite being so technically inferior.

Would guess because of a combination of:

1. The sheer volume of people using Dall-E mini means that more weird/interesting/shareable stuff comes out of it.
2. Proper Dall-E creations often fall into an uncanny valley whereas Dall-E mini creations look obviously made by AI and are therefore more meme-able/funny.
3. Dall-E mini lacks the (perhaps sometimes onerous) precautions that OpenAI imposes - meaning people can do/share lots of stuff that would be impossible on real Dall-E - faces, real people, etc.
4. OpenAI is quite selective on who gets to use Dall-E so it's currently mostly used by people who are connected to OpenAI or are somewhat legitimate creators whereas Dall-E Mini is being used by random people who are likely more unconstrained by convention.
5. The volume restrictions that Dall-E users face mean that people who have access can't experiment and try new things or work on large-scale bold things - 50/day is just not unlikely to achieve anything truly interesting without luck.

[void glade]

subreddit for dalle mini has currently more members than the one for dalle 2 : 40k members (who joined within last week) compared with 28k members for dale2 https://www.reddit.com/r/weirddalle/top/?sort=top&t=all

As for the name, I think it's already too late: people will always associate 'dalle' with 'gender reveeal 9/11' and 'trump kissing biden' etc

But at least it's clear now what those text-to-image models will be used for by the public. Although I expect once better models are available, they will be used mainly for generating porn

[stark fractal]

I actually think think there'll be three main strains of usage for 2d, image generation:

1. Memes, jokes & novelty.
2. Art
3. Porn

Currently:

• Dall-E Mini best enables 1 - because of its lack of restrictions, limitations, etc.
• Dall-E kinda enables 2 - but limitations and lack of tools make it very difficult to create things that are beyond the scope of a conventional artist today - things that are impressive on their own terms, not just because they were generated by AI.
• No major provider enables 3 - but it's inevitable!

[void glade]

Btw, if I google 'dalle' now, first link leads to hugginface dalle mini, no wonder people are confused . So, I suppose the name 'dalle' is tarnished forever, it will never be associated will careful and ethical uses of this technology. The best course for OpenAI will be to release the model under a different name once it becomes available to the general public

[stark fractal]

Or to just API it to allow others to build tools on top of their technology 🤔

"Dall-E" can be like GPT-3 - a technical name that end-consumers never actually see.

Would also allow people to build tools that allow for FAR more ambitious creative projects.

Imagine being able to query an endpoint with:

• Input Text
• Input Image
• Size of output
• Number of outputs your want
• Style source image

And pay on a usage basis 😍

People could build such amazing products on top of it and it would release OpenAI from the burden of having to manage a consumer application!

I have an idea of a product I want to build on it already to help people make kids books

[haughty zealot]

Oof

[sly vector]

It's down for me, anyone else getting this?

[grand onyx]

I have vainly tried to tell people that's the wrong hashtag to use...

and even went to the unofficial dall e 2 server about this and was met with "Well maybe openai should stop being closed if they dont want misinformation"

so it seems there are a small group of people who purposely confuse people out of spite

[gusty timber]

Im sure people are also using the dalle2 hashtag in order to generate more engagement

[little cave]

Yes, calling it DALL-E is kind of childish act of defiance.

[lilac pond]

dalle my beloved

[worn heron]

DALL-E started showing me this

[grand onyx]

oh you too?

[worn heron]

What does it mean?

[grand onyx]

Was just wondering

[radiant bay]

Is this just the same as the 24hr dialog but without the time remaining?

We got it too

[worn heron]

It kind of feels like they are accidentally rolled out a part of a future pay-to-use package or something

[grand onyx]

Isnt credits similar to what they do with other api

[radiant bay]

Yea im sure it's headed there, can't be free forever. I'd gladly pay for "overage" usage past 50 credits or whatever.

[grand onyx]

hm so today would be the last day for us free users?

[radiant bay]

I doubt that

I think they'd announce it

[worn heron]

Yes

[worn heron]

Yeah

[grand onyx]

no seems it was a bug

i just generated something else again

[worn heron]

Yeah works for me now too

[grand onyx]

im not sure why, because it could still do it again later

[obtuse maple]

I just joined MidJourney…It has some interesting features, but honestly, Dalle-2 prevails for me. The AI, the UI & the community is so much less chaotic. I appreciate y’all.

[gusty timber]

I've been using both, and I appreciate both for different reasons! (I'm also loving seeing the difference between the varying outcomes from each as well as attempting to combine them for better results.) This discord is loads of fun though :) midjourney's is almost too big and busy for me to participate in.. I do appreciate this space as well!!

[radiant remnant]

When you sign up to midjourney you can do your images in a private chat with the bot 🙂

[gusty timber]

Yep I've been doing that!! It feels much more personal and comfy, I'm just talking about their other channels

I participate in it occasionally, and don't feel like it's a bad space, it's just a lot more people and faster paced

[lilac pond]

have you noticed that you have less than 50 credits per day?

[radiant bay]

No it’s been a solid 50 in any given rolling 24 hr period.

[grand onyx]

private?

doesnt mid journey look at all that anyways?

[sterile bluff]

The context of the previous chat was being able to generate and review creations with all the extra "noise" of other people generating in public channels and threads.

In that regard DMing the bot achieves that.

[grand onyx]

Ah I see.

[turbid hatch]

https://youtu.be/mtkBIOK_28A I adore this person and their channel, couldn’t recommend them highly enough.

[fiery notch]

I put the LaMDA's description in DALLE and I loved the result

https://twitter.com/fabiolalariosm/status/1536335772592361472

Fabiola Larios (@fabiolalariosm)

"A glowing orb of energy floating in mid-air with the inside of its body like a giant star-gate with portals to other spaces and dimensions"

LaMDA's description by #dalle2

Twitter · Jun 13, 2022, 1:12 PM

lmk what you think!

[frozen whale]

Hi all, wanted to invite you to my talk tonight for Dorkbot (7pm PST)

http://dorkbotsf.org/

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_Br8gZc7nR8W8o5C1iWqvcw

I'll be talking about working with both DALL-E and GPT3

[zenith crater]

hiiiiii

[robust bluff]

hello everyone! 👋

[compact willow]

Heya

I just joined today

[zenith crater]

nice to meet you friend

[compact willow]

But I've had access for 2 days to the bot

[zenith crater]

im about to fill out an intro too

[compact willow]

Yeah, I just did mine in the intros section

Also, guess who nearly got their OpenAI account suspended in one day! I literally was trying to generate artworks of people shooting fireworks on the moon and Boris Johnson drifting in the style of initial D

Turns out the word shooting is not allowed and anything with politicians is also not allowed in the TOS

[zenith crater]

gotta be a tiiiiiiny bit careful with dall-e 2

[compact willow]

Yeah, now I know it's trigger words

So how would I say shooting fireworks in a safe way?

Launching?

[zenith crater]

i would suppose that would work fine

[compact willow]

So how is Canada today Lucas?

[zenith crater]

quite warm for me i think, i don't really know because i'm sick in bed

how about oz?

[compact willow]

It's "winter" here, which you would call summer. 5-15c every day

Hope you get better soon mate

[zenith crater]

thanks think it's just a cold luckily

[compact willow]

Yeah, I had that a couple weeks ago, the week I had to get surgery on my wrist

I was covid swabbed so many times

Turns out the receptionist had it and the MRI operator had it too

[zenith crater]

did you have to postponed that surgery

[grand onyx]

hi, this is my favorite workflow for that kind of stuff.

(gpt3)

[zenith crater]

i like the way you think

[compact willow]

Nope, by the day of surgery my cold was nearly gone

[zenith crater]

glad you got it done

[wicked kiln]

Welcome @zenith crater

[zenith crater]

hey bestie

[steep ginkgo]

Hey, hows everyone today

[zenith crater]

sick but alright otherwise

how about you

[severe citrus]

luke ass

[zenith crater]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hmm-bruh-gif-24844950

[limpid pecan]

did it again, this time with "David Lynch movie"

i love being a brain genius

[steep ginkgo]

hey has anyone actually undertook the task of making a wiki for modifer prompts and all

because if not im more then happy to make a fully fleshed out one

with styles ordered and how to get the best imaging for each style as a organized tips and tricks aswell

[topaz slate]

oh wow, thats so cool! you should do that!

i have no idea how to make this kind of stuff

[steep ginkgo]

i think it will be fun and as i dont really do front end stuff and normally stick to robotics and a.i i think i might learn a bit

i think if i make in in such away that other users can submit things aswell

[warm flax]

Question from OAI - Scaling this community

[left pebble]

people were getting 'Lynchian' to work for this one, or writing it together like DavidLynch

[obtuse maple]

I’ve used Lynch before as a prompt a few weeks ago, and it was fine???

[zenith crater]

@left pebble in love with the space object ones you made in #art-and-illustrations

[left pebble]

Thanks I had a lot of fun with trying things out with those! It started with lips, briefly went into shrimp territory, pulled back, changed to disembodied lips in space, then masses in space, and culminated in an Ominous Space Dorito eventually.
Here's a few of them w/prompts if you were curious and wanted to play around with them:
https://labs.openai.com/s/l51Xle5Htjq4D9x4QsLP0pxi
https://labs.openai.com/s/ZFCkCXO4Sbsv0N4zDx0PqRDF
https://labs.openai.com/s/QiDsWIfldTuzM9jbHSALgPrR
https://labs.openai.com/s/81YsXxJc2w5vv0SqXLfbBjU7

[zenith crater]

love love love them! i'll try remixing them when my generations cycle through their 24 hour limit

thanks for the links

[left pebble]

Love it! Look forward to seeing awesome new stuff

[edgy bluff]

made a sticker with DALL-E :D

[zenith crater]

[haughty zealot]

Basey

[lilac pond]

Anyone else getting a lot of 'something went wrong' errors?

[sterile bluff]

had one earlier

just got another

you can blame me, I put in a prompt with the same word like 20x to see what would happen

😉

[haughty zealot]

I gotta start doing goofy stuff like that now hahahahhaa

[lilac pond]

I would argue yes.

But only if it has enough context to work with.

For example

Without a magenta backdrop it completely fails for me.

Without defined colors it doesn't generate any new colors.

[grand onyx]

i think it interprets it but only on a first instance, after advancing on "painting"/creating the image the original info is lost. I think that is why this technique is working best: #❌┃tips-n-tricks message, the reference info is not lost there. Im sure OpenAI will advance on having at some point a secondary "reference" input, this workflow has a lot of potential I believe

sorry, not "Im sure".. "I hope"

related https://experiments.withgoogle.com/giga-manga

[lilac pond]

I was ultimately hoping to do pixel art outlines.

It'd be incredible to do a simple sketch of something on paper, scan it, vectorize the outline, then rasterize it into blocks of pixels and in-fill the details.

Or to colorize/HDify old 8bit games.

[topaz slate]

i think the ai is not great with people and modern meme culture

comparing to dalle mini

[fading bane]

since when is there a timeout on dall-e 2?

oof, i justed noticed for the first time

[void glade]

I just found out that max collection size is 1000 images.

[fading bane]

xd

[zenith crater]

This is some of what I have as someone who has just started

[left pebble]

shit im at 980

[left pebble]

It is being very grumpy about my trying to generate someone with fingers instead of teeth. Keeps just giving me weird tendrils surrounding hands/inside mouths, or a bunch of fingers as lips, getting close I suppose on the latter.
Draw my dreams please DALL-E 2, help me realize my vision of no-teeth-only-fingers that can sort of auto-conveyerbelt hamburgers into your mouth

[zenith crater]

I love hearing about what illustrators and designers here are saying about DALL-E 2. Each person I know is telling me this is the end of them, but this is such a useful tool in the end for everyone

Visualizing summaries in stories, helping composition in drawings, it’s amazing

[robust bluff]

I saw an artist use a dall-e output as a reference and it was incredible https://twitter.com/Yuumei_Art/status/1536388724719640576

Wenqing Yan (@Yuumei_Art)

I miss Hong Kong ;_; the neon alleys with their hidden stories and endless good food aaaaaahhh

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Twitter · Jun 13, 2022, 4:43 PM

reference

[zenith crater]

Creating mock-ups for drawings can take ages and this goes like three steps forward

Love it love it love it

[zenith crater]

Love these variations I did

Especially this one https://labs.openai.com/s/yTOcmOwQx4lztnliJ03YTgAb

[hybrid granite]

👋

[zenith crater]

Hi bestieeeee

Welcome

[hybrid granite]

Heyyyy

What's the difference between #art-and-illustrations and #photography, just the style of image?

[zenith crater]

Yup I believe photos is for generations that seemingly look like photographs

The former is for paintings, drawings, etc.

https://labs.openai.com/s/s85s4gXPAduVgceAW9NZudAr

Also ramen noodle ring

[thorny ether]

I am having a sublime experience right now creating art with DALL-E. I am about to hit the rate limit. I would pay anything to OpenAI to remove the limit for a few days. Please tell me there is a way.

[thorny ether]

I am having a sublime experience right

[zenith crater]

https://labs.openai.com/s/t5lFvUbqwdbaUcqQKNr4jxto

i love this one 😭

that's amazing how dall·e 2 knows what a girlboss looks like

[tight hemlock]

Yeah I have aphantasia (can’t visualise stuff) so I have to use a lot of references to be able to cobble together what I want to draw, that’s why I was excited to play around with it as a reference source!

[void glade]

I wish there was another thread for slighly off-topic discussions... Well, I'll just write it here. Dalle-2 is great and all, but there is so much 'competition' popping up that it's blowing my mind. There are discord servers where you can ask bots to create an image for you using given model, and my favourite so far is Kandinsky model (love the name!) created by the author of ruDalle. The discord where you can try the model is ShonenkovAI, and I'll just post 2 examples (not my prompts) : "pope playing basketball" and "City of London coffee house with people trading shares mid 18th century oil on canvas well known artist" . Seems better than Midjourney.

[sterile bluff]

very cool. in my opinion specialized models are absolutely, positive the way to go at this phase of AI generative art. been making a lot of fun works that are pixel art. not pixel perfect, but very aesthetically pleasing.

[zenith crater]

i tried

[zenith crater]

also just posted a forum post showcasing dall-e 2 on a place i frequent! excited to show this to more people similar to me. i'll come back and post whatever's cool in the desired channels :)

[hybrid granite]

Re: limit changes

[sterile bluff]

re: daily limits

ha

[hybrid granite]

Jinx

[sterile bluff]

compute is expensive though

[zenith crater]

[hybrid granite]

I’ve run into it daily so far, but I’m already at the point where it’s not because I’m trying to do legitimate things and I’m running out

[sterile bluff]

and so I don't think we'll see an increase to the # we get until/if there is a subscription plan rolled out during this beta/preview

[hybrid granite]

But where I assume I have a few generations left and then take others’ requests

[sterile bluff]

we need a counter.

[hybrid granite]

I can’t see myself reaching the limit, like, a week from now

If even that

And it’s also because I try to be thrifty with generations

Instead of trying the same one multiple times

[hybrid granite]

I agree

I’m just wondering if with some increased amount of generations per user, if there’s a corresponding increase in the time of generation that makes the overall generations used the same

[sterile bluff]

let's talk through that

[hybrid granite]

Since if you told me I could get 100 generations per day but it would take me six hours, I’d never take you up on that deal over the current system

[zenith crater]

The current system is bliss to me

[sterile bluff]

every second probably costs OpenAI money.

[zenith crater]

I’m in awe with how fast everything is, and I like trying to create creative prompts more conservatively

Like I have to be more creative

[sterile bluff]

so if you give users more generations per day

that potentially doubles the cost to run DALLE2

if folks take advantage of that

[hybrid granite]

Is this cost per second something that would decrease if generations took longer overall?

[sterile bluff]

No

it's literally the time it takes to generate the image while the GPU is in use

so delaying when the user gets it doesn't change that

now, is there a possibility that DALLE2 could run on slower GPUs that could be cheaper to lease?

maybe

but if they're significantly slower then it might be a wash.

my very limited understanding of OpenAI is that they have some physical servers for research. I assume they are leasing or have donations of compute from bigger server farms like AWS

[lilac pond]

unlikely. you are talking about models that take several v100s to run.

the memory sizes alone would require specialized gpus

[zenith crater]

openai is pretty special to me

[sterile bluff]

The speed these run at I assume it is on a a100 or a5000

[lilac pond]

this isn't about speed

this is about fitting the model on the gpu

[sterile bluff]

Yes but those GPUs have just as much memory or more as the v100 and are faster

[lilac pond]

i don't think you understand me

you are talking about a training dataset of terabytes of

[sterile bluff]

That's for the training

[lilac pond]

what do you think happens after training? that data just magically becomes 2kb?

[sterile bluff]

Let's step back for a moment. V100 has 24gb or 16gb?

[lilac pond]

you are unlikely to fit this on a commercially available gpu.

[sterile bluff]

I never said commercially available

I said slower

[lilac pond]

yeah we're talking on different wavelengths here

you will not be able to even load the model

just use dalle mini or something

[sterile bluff]

We are talking about different things, yes.

[lilac pond]

the mini model takes up like 16gb and is nowhere near as good

[sterile bluff]

Someone had asked if the gens were delayed

If OpenAI could offer more

And I said no, it's the same compute cost

Unless they were run much slower gpus

[lilac pond]

i wouldnt be shocked if they have this running on FPGAs

[sterile bluff]

I'd expect it to be a100s and a5000s

[lilac pond]

the training alone takes 300,000 hours with >200 v100 or equivalent

[sterile bluff]

Like everyone else in the biz is running

Yes, but we aren't talking about training

I appreciate your perspective. As someone with thousands of generations on multiple platforms I am glad to meet other folks interested in the technical aspects

I've been meaning to rent some time on vast or lambda labs to do some bigger generations in Disco. Do you have any experience with leasing on those platforms?

[zenith crater]

[compact willow]

Hey why did I get an email this morning inviting me to create with Dall E? I already have access lol

[topaz slate]

yeah same

i got it like a day ago again

[sterile bluff]

it could be that the artist access fulfilled invitations aren't being removed from the master sign up list.

[plush vapor]

Hi Spencer, yes I agree regarding the birthing of a new form of consciousness, or life. Dylan Urquidi does some interesting research around this matter (or at least, for now, how human consciousness integrates with AI / media synthesis and how connections and relationships may be built around that).

I've listened to Joscha Bach a number of times and really resonated with his models and descriptions. Regarding parental feelings around AI, have you listened to Ben Goertzel at all?

[plush vapor]

Also fascinating to read James Lovelock's recent Novacene and hear his view on technology as adapter to his Gaia hypothesis

[void glade]

I don't know about dalle2, but I read some discussion yeasterday about Kandinsky model. The autor said that it needs A100 with 80 GB of memory. People were asking if this could be run as a colab notebook (no, it wouldn't be easy to create such a notebook), and why they had to wait 1 hour to see the results of the prompt while dalle2 only takes seconds (answer: they don't have hundreds of GPUs like OpenAI) .

[void glade]

I keep thinking about potential misuses of this tech and I am not optimistc. OpenAI and Google want to do the right thing, make sure those models are used responsibly and ethically. But there are other teams creating similar products, and they don't have any guidelines preventing users from generating potentially harmful content. I apologize for spamming but I just want to attach 2 images from Kandinky model that I just saw on their discord which wouldn't be allowed under OpenAI's TOS. Dalle mini i s a joke, nobody cares of somebody creates "celebrity X in a knife fight", but what about the same image created with more powerful model? Would that still be just fun and jokes, or basis for a defamation suit?

[compact willow]

Could be because the openAI implementation creates photos that are significantly more realistic than any other one and it would be significantly harder for a human to tell if they are fake or not

[zenith crater]

Yeah

I don’t even need to look for it that’s the thing

[lilac pond]

"putin having lunch with a polar bear"

The problem is that it's nearly impossible to filter out things intelligently. You can always switch out blood for ketchup and knives for scissors, etc.

And the AI will then think it's making a scene of someone swimming in a puddle of ketchup.

If you try and filter that out even with an additional network you're going to filter out everything with ketchup in it.

[smoky crag]

no more hotdogs 😔

[smoky crag]

cursed

[smoky crag]

ayo

that’s a bit sus

[smoky crag]

:CCope:

oh

:ARucado:

bruh

[lilac pond]

I did a lot of hamburger stuff too

[smoky crag]

[smoky crag]

yes but why with girls

[lilac pond]

Because there isn't a lot of point in just drawing food if I am trying to figure out how much potential this has to put professional animation artists in Japan out of business?

If it makes you happy I also had Gojira attend a salaryman business meeting.

damnit i just thought of having an anime moe faced godzilla eating a giant hamburger

too bad ive wasted all my credits for the day

I already know this is going to kill the stock photo business, and I already know that this is going to destroy logo vector artists.

But what I don't know is if this is actually viable for quality animation and manga or not. The results are incredibly mixed.

Right now the Japanese economy is in a death spiral and animation artists have been historically not even well paid in good times let alone right now.

If they can replace their artists with a machine it'll happen in a heart beat. The entire industry is just nothing but black companies that exploit anyone willing to pick up a pencil and draw.

You often get results like this which are great at first glance, but when you check the finer details

And it's also a huge question of copyright law right now, especially with things like anime art.

in the style of <xyz> can often result in it just outright replicating entire designs in full.

If I generated that image with the intent of using it commercially there is no doubt I would be in a load of trouble with whoever owns rights to Dragon Maid.

[zenith crater]

Showed my friend DALL-E 2 at work and right away she knew about it

[rare heart]

Hey Nerds, I’m making a comprehensive insta reel on Dalles capabilities and want to feature some discord members who have been pushing dalle to the limit in different categories. If you see a friend request from me and you’re interested, add me back and Ill grab your IG handle/images.

[zenith crater]

Not sure how known this is, but someone in the community made this site showcasing most/all publicly shared DALL·E 2 generations :-) searchable by prompt and/or user, check it out here! https://www.dalle2.app

[robust bluff]

Super cool and useful

[sturdy eagle]

This is also what Im saying when people ask me: will I be out of a job? I then answer, "no, this tech will help you create backdrops FAST (for instance) and YOU will ad your personal elements, in minutes."

[atomic plover]

New Imagen creations coming out, pretty crazy: https://twitter.com/irinablok/status/1538573230184665093?s=21&t=p0Jgf-bThricwf8ouVhEqw

irina blok (@irinablok)

Have been having fun creating impossible objects with #Imagen, a new text-to-image diffusion model from #googlebrain

“Coffee cup with many holes”

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[sterile bluff]

we live in amazing times.

[grand onyx]

wait people have access to imagen?

[atomic plover]

I think these are Google employees with approval.

[grand onyx]

oh....that makes sense

[south heath]

Is there going to be some official statement about what happened here? Was well known in the image generation community as a tool called dalle mini, but apparently just got asked to change the name? Which is quite against the common practice in ML

[grand onyx]

Well yea, there was mass confusion at first as to which was dalle 2 and mini

then people started purposely misdirecting people for engagement

[south heath]

Did they? There was a ton of organic usage of that tool because it was openly accessible

[grand onyx]

yes, you'd go to search on twitter for # Dall E 2 and find dalle mini images, but the post would also have both hashtags for mini and 2...

[south heath]

But changing the name will still leave that option open? People can still create things with another name and tag them as OpenAI's DALL-E tag. Making the researcher change the name does not prevent bad actors from doing that at all

[grand onyx]

If the program is no longer named dalle mini on huggingface, why would anyone still call it dalle mini

[south heath]

If someone is purposely misdirecting people for engagement like you mentioned. They won't care what the HuggingFace program is called

I am just confused, and a bit concerned (for what this means for the field), and would love some public clarity

[grand onyx]

I suppose, at that point, if someone else comes along with a new ai generator and purposely call it Dall E, they get whats coming to them lol

[south heath]

Researchers name their methods after existing methods for a reason. Making them change it (especially after those methods become popular) destroys their discoverability and hurts early career/independent researchers

This is something that is normal, accepted, and positive in the field of ML

[grand onyx]

i disagree, you can name it something else entirely.

It can be in the same field, similar models, but if you call your discoveries after something else, you're only looking for engagement..

that can still cause mass confusion

[south heath]

The reason researchers do this is so that it is clear to the readers of their papers and the users of their tools that they are building on someone else's work. This is how giving people proper credit works for academics

And giving the reader some way to trace back

[grand onyx]

Lets say I develop a new space company that rivals Elon Musk's, And call it SpaceXI

what would be the point of that

[south heath]

I don't think you understand how the field of ML work. If I publish an optimizer called ADAM, and another researcher comes along and finds an improvement on the ADAM method by adding weight decay, them calling it ADAMW is a good and proper thing to do

In fact this is exactly what happened

This is the community norm

Forcing a name change is a drastic rupture of that norm

[grand onyx]

But if they developer, Boris, isnt affiliated with openai at all, I really don't see how that could correlate. I mean if he was one of theirs I could agree but it's not. He just made a model similar to Dalle1 and purposely made it widely available after openai announced theirs in January. Asking him to change his name after groups from 4 chan and Markiplier's fans purposely mistook what Dalle2 was is justified in my eyes

If openai wanted to release pricing in the near future they'd have a hard time doing so because of this

their product would be confused for the subpar images of dalle mini

[south heath]

I don't care to debate this. I just would like to know when this will be addressed in public

[grand onyx]

shrugs we can agree to disagree

[zenith crater]

me trying to save all my gens for tomorrow so i can use them whenever i want for my bday...

fails but i made cute kitties

[flint mantle]

We had a little "battle". 3 Minutes drawings vs 3 Minutes Dall-E. https://www.skizzensafari.de/

[zenith crater]

oooh ty for the link!

ill check it out

[grand onyx]

lovely 👏 ! they were created using impainting or you used a sketch related prompt? Love the meeting to talk with DALLE concept

[flint mantle]

created "pencil sketches" as prompts.. other illustrations where just to hard to achieve in 3 minutes 🙂 eventhough these where much better by Dall-E

[zenith crater]

found something interesting using the exact same prompt on dall·e 2 and midjourney

clear different in temperature, literally night and day

[flint mantle]

Also had the impression, that midjourney is very colorfull. Hard to get something like a desaturated Look by normal there..

[steep ginkgo]

finally back from a trip can do more dalle stuff

also gonna start making a "wiki" guide for dalle and different styles

[steep ginkgo]

what did you put in for this

[zenith crater]

https://labs.openai.com/s/RjPRtDF1KHPWJ33P8x3N5UZ3

almost <3

[edgy bluff]

Anime sticker (insert you own style of choice here) then i just did some anime stickers. Then i generated pog as text

[steep ginkgo]

Thanks!

[manic dragon]

Hi all, I made a video about artificial intelligence, where Dall-E 2 is heavily featured. Check it out! https://youtu.be/oqamdXxdfSA

Big shout out to some of the people in this community for helping with this video, especially @haughty zealot @edgy bluff and @little cave

[zenith crater]

ooooooh https://www.cosmopolitan.com

take a look at the homepage!

[sterile bluff]

Wow! There is also a preview of in-app "outpainting" as a gif!

https://hmg-h-cdn.hearstapps.com/videos/creation-loop-1655787642.mp4

[zenith crater]

noticed that as well

i technically did my first "outpainting" yesterday, but it was in photoshop and it took 5 minutes haha

[zenith dome]

How do I get my generations to show up on dalle2.app?

[sterile bluff]

this is a really well written, balanced and fair article

[hybrid granite]

There's a bot you can DM

I'd tell you to ask the creator, except they aren't in this server b/c they don't have access

[haughty zealot]

I wonder when the outpainting feature will drop

[hybrid granite]

A bit ironic, TBH

[zenith crater]

would love to have them here

hopefully one day

[sterile bluff]

it's mildly amusing that folks in this program are getting news/updates from third party articles

but I get that there could have been an embargo for the article

[zenith dome]

What's their discord tag? I assume they're in the other Dall-E 2 server

[hybrid granite]

smtz

[sterile bluff]

just saw an e-mail from OAI:

[jovial lava]

does it mean you can't create any photo realistic characters, or even painting of realistic faces ?

[edgy bluff]

Hype!

now you can do it

[sterile bluff]

interesting question.

[dire scroll]

Yeah am I read this right? We can share photorealistic faces?

Reading*

[zenith crater]

im still shy to

[jovial lava]

No, it's even more closed than before if you want to create a face, now Dalle will reject any attempts

[dire scroll]

This email is confusing then. It seems to read: because our safeguards have been updated, we are now allowing you to share photo realistic images.

[jovial lava]

exactly ! you are right , its not clear, but i guess now you can share photorealistic human faces as Dalle will deliver some kind of non realistic results

[dire scroll]

“We are updating our policy to permit…”

Yes.

@warm flax hi can you confirm above? Sorry for the trouble.

[sterile bluff]

also, is it retroactive in its permission - as in, if someone had previously generated a work featuring a celebrity

is that older work now allowed to be shared?

[hybrid granite]

I tried uploading an image for inpainting that had someone's back in it, but it was still flagged as a content violation

Oh well

[jovial lava]

I uploaded this painting to add an Iphone in it with the Inpainting, does it mean that now it will be rejected .?

[granite merlin]

So if we use the name of a celebrity in our prompt, will it be rejected / count as a content violation? Or have the model’s parameters been tweaked to ensure that the results won’t look like the celeb? 🤔

[zenith dome]

I hope this doesn't impact using the name of a famous artist as a style

[warm flax]

hi hi yes — you can share older images!

[warm flax]

definitely not — that image doesn’t look photorealistic (paintings / illustrations etc all ok)!

[warm flax]

I thought we gave them access, unless I'm confusing people (a lot of people making DALL·E-adjacent apps / content) -- if you're in touch w/ them, can you ask them to email [e-mail] please?

[hybrid granite]

Will do; expect an email from a Columbia University email address

[zenith crater]

[zenith crater]

yeah i love getting to see every single thing i've shared in one place

a place for my faves (collections) and a place for general info on what i've created before

[little cave]

@warm flax can I post some photorealisic faces I created before, like these:

[warm flax]

yes!

[little cave]

Thank you!

[steep ginkgo]

So sory for the at but before i started i was wondering if it alright to make a guide kind of thing to help people get what they looking for and what is and bkt allowed

[warm flax]

of course, please do and we'd appreciate it if you could share it w/ us!

[steep ginkgo]

Yes for sure

[hybrid granite]

There's also an existing guide Lucas and rundy have made that's quite good

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11WlzjBT0xRpQhP9tFMtxzd0q6ANIdHPUBkMV-YB043U/edit?usp=drivesdk

[zenith crater]

yesssss gonna make a section on the policy esp because it just changed!

thanks for sharing and ty abtrax

[steep ginkgo]

Yeah

[steep ginkgo]

Hey lucas i would love if i could be working on it

If you need someone

[zenith crater]

thank you! i'll let you know, rundy and i love ideas that the community has

[steep ginkgo]

Thanks

[compact willow]

Does this include Santa?

I currently create Santa pics for memes

[haughty zealot]

Hahhahaahahah

[compact willow]

That's not a blunt either, I asked it for a cigarette

[haughty zealot]

Wait I got another one

[compact willow]

Oh I have too

In all seriousness, I do agree with the new policy

[compact willow]

But what defines a "public figure" ? Hopefully the OAI mods can chime in and clarify

[zenith dome]

Why do some prompts generate random images? Ex:

is there a way to fix my prompt to get around it?

[compact willow]

No AI is ever perfect

I've confused it many times

Probably too hyper detailed

Ideally, report the images from the same website so the bot can be trained better. The more we all train it, the better it can become

[zenith crater]

[compact willow]

As we all know, Dall E 1.0 wasn't as good as 2.0 , but neural networks and AI get better with each evolution

(I'm just assuming it uses a generational or evolutionary neural model though)

[robust bluff]

Hmm, try digital art at the end

[zenith crater]

What games do you think you can make with this? Going out for dinner with my family and thinking what I could do with them that isn’t just me asking them what the prompt should be

Thinking of one where one of us adds a word into the prompt and passes it to the next person, going until we’re satisfied

[warm flax]

Hey @compact willow — I shared the following in #community-help, but tl;dr is we ask that you use your best judgment and we promise we’ll be reasonable:

At the end of the day, the spirit of the policy is for us to prevent images like "Kanye West punching Pete Davidson", "Ariana Grande wasted / passed out on the streets" etc hurting the individuals in question.

So our general review philosophy remains the same in terms of reinstating accounts if we don't sense ill & deceptive intentions in the query history.

Does that make sense?

[compact willow]

Ah, I should have checked the other subchannels, apologies

I'll continue the conversation in there

[warm flax]

no worries at all!!

[fallow swan]

“DALLE allows faces now, I guess I’ll try it.”

[Tries it]

“I’m creating my own nation state!”

[fallow swan]

My guess is the unrealistic “dapper Peanut” through it off

[fallow swan]

Here’s what happened when I changed the peanut and raspberry to a dog and cat:

[zenith dome]

Guess I'll just have to wait for 2 more papers down the line

[edgy bluff]

Dall-e struggles to make something that doesn’t exist in the style it’s trying to make. Think If you write digital art and then photo it might be able to make it. Think it just needs some more context

[edgy bluff]

Define a style and i’m pretty sure it Will work

I’m out of prompts so i can’t show it. But ey it’s worked before

[zenith dome]

I'm out of prompts aswell

[edgy bluff]

Oof

[zenith dome]

I'll try it tomorrow

[hybrid granite]

TY again for this, by the way

[lone quarry]

Hii

[trim whale]

is there a way to get generations back once they roll off the sidebar?

[mossy rock]

Hi everyone!! I wanted to share this with all of u, I created a Caps Only Font based on images I generated with Dalle 🤓 https://twitter.com/omarxrc/status/1539454580194390016?t=ocPVc0UHd4rorKnsGwqLrQ&s=19

Omar (@omarxrc)

Hey! I did something 🤓 Since I got access to #Dalle2 I've tried things related to Graphic Design, this time I decided to create a Caps Only font based on outputs created with #Dalle ...🧵

Twitter · Jun 22, 2022, 3:45 AM

The font is almost ready to be shared and downloaded (free, non comercial use obviously) I just need to figure some things out on FontForge :)

Hope u like it and would love to hear feedback from all of u :)

[finite ridge]

Here's my idea: VR game that is the output of dalle-2 image variation but the feed is from a camera at the front of the headset

[hollow dune]

hello

[finite ridge]

hi

[hollow dune]

how are you all ^^

[finite ridge]

good, busy working

[hollow dune]

we’ll be organizing a school troll today

[finite ridge]

a what?

[hollow dune]

the people who graduated to do this in germany

we’ll be having fun at school, in other words, hehe

[obtuse maple]

School stroll, that’s what I think they meant.

[finite ridge]

ah, at my highschool, they put cardboard on a teacher's car to make it look like it had a sporty body kit

[hollow dune]

oh thats the word, i see

[finite ridge]

we called it "muck up day"

[hollow dune]

oh no we don’t go that far

no property destroying or so

[finite ridge]

it didn't destroy it

[hollow dune]

we have a deal with teachers on what’s allowed and what not

[obtuse maple]

Go watch Disrupt on YouTube, specifically the episode discussing a theoretical framework for AI generated VR MMORPG’s

It’s interesting stuff.

[hollow dune]

for example we’ll start off by taking chairs and tables from many rooms and chaotically put them around the school area

[finite ridge]

ah

the principal did warn us not to do anything though, the car thing was from a previous year

[finite ridge]

If I get a VR headset I'll have a crack at it

[hollow dune]

we have talked with the principal what our ideas are, for him it’s not surprise

but for teachers and students it is

[hollow dune]

i gtg, see you all!

[sterile bluff]

Howdy folks - have a suggestion for daily-theme requests? I'm starting a thread. Feel free to add ideas. In general, it seems that subjects (cat, dog) have been popular. Anything that could lead to results which are against the DALLE2 TOS should be avoided. Let's keep it fun and friendly.

Daily Theme Suggestions

[steep ginkgo]

woah loads of new people

[haughty zealot]

Great to see more people getting access

[pale rapids]

Great to be one of the more people getting access, haha

I got my beta invite maybe a week or so ago now, but wasn't aware of this discord until the latest email about the policy change

[haughty zealot]

Yeah I’m about that new to DallE too

[fringe fiber]

GM everyone

[steep ginkgo]

same

to you

waiting 3 hours for mine to reset

[steep ginkgo]

3 hours feels like forever

[haughty zealot]

I know that feel

[steep ginkgo]

all my attempts where trying to make anime style art

[haughty zealot]

It’s tricky

@edgy bluff has perfected it

Absolute legend skoggs

[steep ginkgo]

i saw it and was so jealous

but i thinking i got some good ones but didnt act lines

[haughty zealot]

It’s a hit or miss for me

Not if this is anime style or not but it’s from an anime

[steep ginkgo]

yeah i saw it really good

skoggs got some really good anime stickers was trying to reacreate it

geno got some really good anime ones

[haughty zealot]

Yeah

It takes time I guess

[olive shale]

Do you know of any easy to use (preferably free) service to do a "neural net transition" between two images?

I think morphing might be a better term

[vocal lily]

Hi everyone

[little cave]

This is image interpolation, try FILM or this one: https://huggingface.co/spaces/akhaliq/frame-interpolation

[trim whale]

question coming from midjourney: results there are often improved by appending prompts with stuff like "rendered in octane, unreal engine 5" for 3D renders or "trending on artstation, cgsociety" for concept art; do these things make a difference for dalle2 or should i stick with natural language?

i suspect based on two days' usage they would just lead to dalle2 getting confused and failing to render "unreal engine 5" as text but wanted to check if anyone else in both betas has tried this stuff already

[pulsar topaz]

Personally the only time I've noticed a difference using additions like that is when specifying lenses and even then it isn't foolproof

Even things as simple as "a photo of" "photograph" "watercolor" etc can be inconsistent at times

[trim whale]

that's what i thought

seems like less is more with dalle2 prompting

might have to unlearn some habits

[pulsar topaz]

I've had "photo of" spit out Win95 clipart quality doodles before

[trim whale]

yeah, i tried "an abstract representation of the divine feminine" and got, uh, i dunno how to describe #6 except "my little sister's deviantart from 2009"

[pulsar topaz]

here's an example of where specifying a lens did EXACTLY what I wanted https://www.ryanmercer.com/ryansthoughts/2022/6/20/dall-e-2-sculpture-of-a-female-strongman-made-from-bronze-studio-lighting-sigma-85-mm-f14

Studio lighting did seem to work, but that could have just been 'sculpture'

Because most sculptures are probably photographed in that style of lighting

[trim whale]

but i also got these for "a neoexpressionist painting about depression from the inside" which indicates to me dalle2 has some capacity for abstraction in there

that last one in particular is baller and i wish i'd remembered to save it at high-res

[pulsar topaz]

Yeah I've had some where 3-5 of them are solid and then 1 is like uhhhh that's not what I asked for

here's sort of an example of that https://www.ryanmercer.com/ryansthoughts/2022/6/17/a-photograph-of-a-hippogriff-bathing-in-a-waterfall

Some of those look like photos, others look like paintings (3rd image)

The 3rd one just looks like a jacket for some science fiction hardback

[trim whale]

dalle2 and midjourney also share a similar tic where if they can't parse the text they try to directly render it as words and that's uhhhh maladaptive for both of them until neural nets learn to read

"the tiger is out" by louis wain

[pulsar topaz]

Yes, I've had this happen a lot, actually today.

When it botches gibberish into images I grumble and don't even bother to save them

I did save these ones, "a polaroid of a UFO" it added text to them

but not all of them so I saved them all

same query, much fail

5 looked like , then there was that...

It also associates "alien" with "random space stuff" :

"Leonardo's Madonna of the Carnation with the infant being an extraterrestrial" this was the only one that didn't look completely like hot garbage

[zenith crater]

hey guys

how are we enjoying the new policy?

i find doing real faces so spooky still 😭

[pulsar topaz]

Yeah, fake human faces have always made me feel uncomfortable

[trim whale]

i only had one day under the old policy and honestly i miss stuff like "steve buscemi drawn by frank frazetta" more than being able to post dalle2 faces (which are good but still slightly straggling in the uncanny valley)

[pulsar topaz]

Just like photos of the dead (think daguerreotypes). Something just feels off about both, like you can tell the 'spark' of life isn't there.

I think it's the dead-eye thing

[trim whale]

this was "a middle-aged couple alone and bitter with regret"

a creditable effort but ultimately they look more like madame tussaud waxworks than humans

[zenith crater]

yeah, the only real people thing i tried did not do the faces correctly at all

[trim whale]

something is still "off"

[trim whale]

are those first-gens or did you try to spot-check the face?

[pulsar topaz]

It does that to "drawing" "painting" probably 1/5 of the time for me

Even for non-human entities

[trim whale]

i had a similar thing where i asked it for "goth snufkin playing guitar" and one result was perfect except for a blank face, but then i fed it back as an image and had it erase and redo the face

[zenith crater]

first generations, tried to use inpainting to change it up/hands in another one (it failed one of them) and it would not let me

[trim whale]

first try, retouch

[pulsar topaz]

It got faces fine for some in this series

but then just melts their faces

[zenith crater]

also hand test, tried changing his left/our right

[pulsar topaz]

I tried to generate "a wooden christus statue on a marble floor" and it did the same weird stuff to the heads of the statues.

[zenith crater]

also another inpainting test, here i tried changing the face of the person + some other things

[pulsar topaz]

"life size plastic army men standing by a grill" about half of these came out with the garbled faces, then you've got people churning out very real faces shrugs

[trim whale]

it feels a little spoiled to be using dalle2 essentially as a rich man's clone stamp but its inpainting is really synergistic with midjourney, which can do big moody abstract settings off long prose prompts but tends to biff details like "how a human looks" and "how a waterfall works"

[pulsar topaz]

What gets me is how it botches the heads of lego minifigs

I generated this one based on conversation we had Friday in our engineering meeting

One woman collects minions, one guitars, someone suggested stained glass, and one guy is an AFOL and this was the best of the batch

[zenith crater]

i've seen it do legos really well!

maybe because it's in such a particular situation?

[pulsar topaz]

Yeah it does some well, but then it tries to melt them like this

Also "rick and morty" always nails Rick, but usually makes Morty some weird Rick or woman.

[zenith crater]

yeah i've also noticed the more exact i am in my prompts, some quality starts to degrade

[pulsar topaz]

Although " rick and morty as NYC police, digital art" was perfect. All 6 were exactly what I wanted

it even made 2 of morty in one

Here it royally botched the faces AND inserted random text "Robots in the style of the simpsons"

2 of the 6 it added gibberish to in that query

In my experience it just can't do food either.

[steep sequoia]

I stumbled upon a nightmare by giving this prompt 💀

[pulsar topaz]

It tries so hard and fails miserably

https://www.ryanmercer.com/ryansthoughts/2022/6/17/dall-e-2-a-7-patty-cheeseburger-surrounded-by-thick-cut-fries-with-a-glass-of-soda

Here it doesn't get "7", it messes almost all of the fries up, it can't keep the glasses symmetrical, it botches the ice in some, the patties in all but the first look really wrong

And it only gets the bread right once, and then only about 85%

It does strange things with the chairs, but nails the table in the 3rd image

The first image would have been great, except for the glass

[pulsar topaz]

So I did something along the lines of "american gothic but with chewbacca and c3po" and it created a nightmare

A nightmare with what looks like a reanimated corpse as the man

[scenic linden]

omg i'm kinda scared of realistic human generation though it's uncanny

[pulsar topaz]

I'm going to crop part of it out and share it, wait one

[steep sequoia]

That sounds worse, I can relate

[steep sequoia]

Yesss ngl

[zenith crater]

me listening to forever by charli xcx after i got dumped two years ago

[pulsar topaz]

There, removed the seriously disturbing dead-man-face

This is the stuff of nightmares

"American Gothic with chewbacca and c3po"

It feels like something MST3K would watch though

[steep sequoia]

The middle one is def modeled after a shrunken head

[pulsar topaz]

I find it funny it merged Chewy and 3PO and then stretched it around a pitchfork...

[steep sequoia]

Yup, it looks scary as if out of a horror scene

[pulsar topaz]

it's by far the most disturbing image DALL-E 2 has generated from one of my queries

[steep sequoia]

Maybe they could make a feature to turn off/on the disturbing scene filter

[trim whale]

midjourney has the ability to hard break prompts if you really really need it to try to walk:: chew gum:: at the same time (it's not that reliable either but improves your dice rolls), idk if dalle2 has it

soft breaks with commas, yeah, all of them will smear adjectives across the entire scene even if you only apply them to one subject

[hollow dune]

soo

we had our school stroll today, it was fun

[zenith crater]

yay!

[steep sequoia]

So this is initiated the #off-topic channel. Nice works

[hollow dune]

i just thought that dall-e specific would be everything but the "Make Friends" category 😅

[warm flax]

We actually had #off-topic from the start but then no one used it so I deleted it. Makes me happy to see that there’s desire for this again 😸

[steep sequoia]

That could be the indicator because the community now is growing more lively lol

[warm flax]

no worries at all! I want to hear about all the things, not just about DALL-E! just wanted to make sure that people who want to scroll about things that are only DALL-E related can do so! ❤️

[hollow dune]

thank you

[zenith crater]

i feel like i may have initiated it with this message

but i'm glad to have a channel for everything else

[hollow dune]

joanne now that you are here i actually want to know, i've dm'ed it natalie with the email verification, so i'll just append the message here

going through all the messages sounds like a tough work, have you considered making a bot, maybe similar to the way the Hypixel Servers have implemented them? (On the labs.openai.com website, when logged in, you'd authorize with discord and it would automatically connect. This is also safe against people using others email)
not really a suggestion, i'm just curious if you have considered any alternatives for signing up to the discord

[steep sequoia]

Just forgot about that y'all did some great work 😂

[warm flax]

I’ve been looking forever for solutions like this — I’ve been meaning to look at a couple of options but this is great, I’ll look into it thank you!

[hollow dune]

i'm helpful :o

[warm flax]

please no one feel guilty for contributing to building a community 😾 this is exactly what we want!

[zenith crater]

i ain't guilty with anything related to our queen and saviour charli xcx

[grand onyx]

Holy… u literally recreated my worst dreams 😂💪🏼

[pulsar topaz]

Smells suspiciously like a community manager trying to manage ;P, by your command

[olive shale]

Thank you!

[hollow dune]

guys, are you aware how to "feed" the ai if this is possible?

i was curious if you can make a fictional character dall-e doesn't know about do something, for example staying in a jojo pose or similar

is it possible to make a cross over of two images? feed the AI two pictures and combine them

[trim whale]

i don't think this is currently possible with dalle2, no

you can feed it a picture, and have it generate variants, but there's no real way to direct those variants

so it's not a viable way to, say, create an original character and then consistently pose that character doing diff things

the closest hack i can think of, which i can't try right now since i'm waiting on cooldown, would be a variation on the infilling trick people use to get widescreen aspects

[hollow dune]

i see

[trim whale]

feed it a picture of your OC doing something, erase everything in the background and pose that isn't consistent with your target, then ask it to fill it back in with a description; that would possibly get you from "guy at a wedding" to "guy snowboarding" if you didn't mind them having the exact same face

[hollow dune]

i wanted to see a character on a fox

[trim whale]

possibly you could then erase the face on a second retouch and change that too but it would be luck-dependent

[hollow dune]

so erase everything but the characters face, hmmm

and clothes

hmm

this would lose a lot of information

[trim whale]

yeah, you'd ideally want to keep SOME of the stylistic cues, but the more you keep those, the more limited your space for subject variation

"character sitting at a table eating" and "character sitting at a table playing poker" would be an easier lift, probably

since you'd be able to keep a lot of background as well as torso/shoulders

[hollow dune]

if you could feed the ai images and tag them so you can reassemble them would be a very decent progress

this could allow book writers to generate character images for every character of their book

then assemble this characters into certain positions

also imagine mangakas being able to generate frames for their mangas

this comes with lots of risks though -_-

[hollow dune]

for reference:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989172801736941568/989175045614104686/unknown.png

[trim whale]

and you want her to be just like in a different pose or something?

[hollow dune]

this is the scene i thought experimenting with

[trim whale]

is this original or from some franchise

[hollow dune]

its from genshin

i was wondering if its possible to make her sit on a fox or do a jojo pose

but anything related with posing the character seems to be loss of information

[trim whale]

i assume you tried erasing the body only and prompting the retoucher with something like "character name, anime style, action pose"?

[hollow dune]

yeah and i did get some results

[trim whale]

might need to erase a margin on either side so it has room for the jojo pose lol

[hollow dune]

https://labs.openai.com/s/u6VxDuyIAdkBASdMQIogKRny

https://labs.openai.com/s/ioIz4w410SeBGT2VAd0GcUof

these are some results

[trim whale]

well she seems fine

dalle2's struggling a bit keeping the steed in style tho

[hollow dune]

yeah

yeah

to both statements a yeah

[soft hull]

open ai dally too

Someone on reddit was given the gold award for posting all of my generations im done 💀

https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/vht819/someone_is_weirdly_obsessed_with_the_mandelbrot/

[zenith crater]

[soft hull]

i post like actual shit there and the one time someone reposts things that i made it gets the fuckin gold award

why is there no #rules channel

[pulsar topaz]

I'm guessing because the folks running this have real jobs as not-community managers and haven't thought about it haha

[hollow dune]

technically they belong to dall-e

technically

[soft hull]

Yeah but like I generated all my own stuff lol, that was my generation

[hollow dune]

yeah

hmmm

[soft hull]

just though it was funny

[hybrid granite]

I just post cursed stuff there

It’s an easy 30-40 karma per post

E.g. tapeworm spaghetti, Totoro

[soft hull]

yea but like why tf did someone spend actual money on the reddit post

[pulsar topaz]

I mean, you get coins every month just for having premium which you can then use to gild stuff.

I've got thousands banked up because I only occasionally gild things and when I do it is silver.

[soft hull]

reddit has a subscription service?

💀

[pulsar topaz]

For a very long time. Nukes ads, gives you some settings features you otherwise don't have access to, keeps the servers running so you have a place to go, etc

[soft hull]

why would you pay for reddit

just use ad block?

i mean it's a little hypocritical because i have discord nitro

but like reddit can't have that good of a benefit can it

[hybrid granite]

I pay for Nitro because of the file size limits

It’s honestly easier than emailing people stuff

I wonder if people upvote gilded posts on Reddit more

[soft hull]

woah hi badsapdreamfrostnotfoundinnit

[soft hull]

it has like 9 upvotes

lol

[hybrid granite]

I want my Elmo on the front page

[pulsar topaz]

Because I'm not a freeloader?

[pulsar topaz]

That hurts reddit, servers and salaries cost money.

[soft hull]

[pulsar topaz]

I mean, there's a single YouTuber I patreon $50 a month for his videos, throwing a few bucks at reddit doesn't hurt me any for a site I use all day every day for over a decade

[soft hull]

bro reddit is worth 100 million dollars

i think they're fine

sorry

they make 100 million yearly

reddit is worth 6 billion dollars

i think they're fine

[pulsar topaz]

Being "worth" something doesn't meann you have that money sitting in a bank account

[soft hull]

Okay then, go with the 100 million dollars

That's still 100 million dollars

[pulsar topaz]

I doubt they have 100 million dollars sitting around in a bank account.

[soft hull]

Okay

If reddit says

"Sorry guys we don't have the money for servers anymore :( "

You can blame me

[zenith dome]

thanks, yep that fixed it

[pulsar topaz]

They had US$100 million (Q2 2021) in revenue. They then had to pay salaries of 700~ employees, hosting/hardware costs, etc

If you assume they do that every quarter, that means 52 million users are only generating 400 million in revenue through mostly ads. a whopping 7.69 USD a year per user. Yeah, I'm fine paying 5.99 a month for the value I get.

[soft hull]

I'm 52 million users. So that is a problem, I will stop

[pulsar topaz]

Just like when/if DALL-E switches over to paid, I'll be happy to pay for the service, because there are real costs

[haughty zealot]

I would make my clients pay lol

[pulsar topaz]

Meanwhile people in the /r/dalle2 subreddit are screaming it should be free and open to all, that's not realistic. Companies don't run on good will and imagination.

[haughty zealot]

You don’t get good talent without paying well

And all that computing costs a lot

[soft hull]

DALL-E is worth paying for, that is true

[hybrid granite]

At this point I've done all I "need" to do with DALLE

I'd still consider paying for it

[pulsar topaz]

Reddit is as well, if you are using it for more than posting memes. There are many subs that are solid communities where people have years long relationships with one another

[soft hull]

You can understand why people would wanna use it though

[hybrid granite]

But my willingness now is different than my willingness when I first gained access

[soft hull]

You do that, I'm gonna do my own thing with my ad block

[haughty zealot]

There is no way I am paying for any social media

I’m already paying for it with my data and engagement

[soft hull]

[wild tapir]

this was Dall-E? 😮

[haughty zealot]

Yep

Use “Gundam” in the prompt and you’ll get some beautiful robots

[wild tapir]

damn, it never ceases to impress me

[wild tapir]

okok. thank you, would use it

[haughty zealot]

You’ll have to specify “head” or “portrait” for something like the result you asked about

[soft hull]

https://labs.openai.com/s/sfKq7EDLhwLeOI0wSH8ga8Nl

[haughty zealot]

He’ll yeah

[wild tapir]

yes , i find it makes more realistic when its closer. It specific the lens 50mm , for that reason

[haughty zealot]

I usually do 85mm

That’s what I usually use to render stuff so I’m used to it

50 gets pretty dramatic

[wild tapir]

"- a greek god poitrait, lights coming out of his eyes, 50mm lens " miss the lights, but come ou great.

[soft hull]

yo btw me and others did a cool variation thing, we started at this

[haughty zealot]

It’s useful for dynamic shots

[soft hull]

and we ended at this

[haughty zealot]

That’s so trippy

[soft hull]

dont heart eyes that it's not dalle generated

LMAO

the second one is tho

[haughty zealot]

Oh lol

Well it’s still cool

[soft hull]

it changed quite a lot

The O in 17 retained until the very end lol

[haughty zealot]

Love the bottom row of this

[wild tapir]

Can we make an Instagram account with our photos? is it ok?

[pulsar topaz]

https://labs.openai.com/policies/terms if you follow the terms

And the content policy https://labs.openai.com/policies/content-policy

[wild tapir]

Great. Thank you @pulsar topaz

[hollow dune]

let's try this

💀

i was thinking if you can force the AI into doing the hand along the erased area

[trim whale]

the problem is that dalle2's techniques are, essentially, public, there's lots of other AIs like imagen and midjourney, they will only proliferate more as GPU shortages ease, so while i don't think that there's some moral imperative to make it free or whatever, there will definitely be a race to the bottom within a few years

[hollow dune]

totally unexpected

[hollow dune]

in other words, with people competing it will be in OpenAI's interest to keep the prices / quality ratio as good as possible for the customer

[trim whale]

i respect openAIs right to set terms of service but i don't think they will do anything but slightly delay the inevitable parade of deepfake horribles

[hollow dune]

if you see dall-e more like an "intelligent google image search" how i heard some people got the impression, then you could draw the analogy that "searching" should be free, however as Ryan mentioned, unrealistic

i wonder if derek is the veritasium derek

or are they two different people?

who knows, but a conspiracy is possible

[pulsar topaz]

I always wonder if I'm on any discord servers with YouTubers I watch

[soft hull]

is midjourney good? only ever heard of its name lol

[pulsar topaz]

Aside from the 2 that are discord servers run by people I watch

[soft hull]

i mean there's literally "mid" in it's name so

[pulsar topaz]

It produces some neat stuff, someone on the Crafsman discord has access and has shared some stuff mirroring off of my DALL-E 2 generations

[zenith crater]

it's pretty good!

[pulsar topaz]

Let me find one from today

[zenith crater]

i'll do a generation now

[soft hull]

how good is it compared to imagen and dalle2

[pulsar topaz]

My DALL-E 2 query

[soft hull]

im assuming its restricted access

[soft hull]

is that james cordon lmao

[pulsar topaz]

Their midjourney:

[soft hull]

oh

[grand onyx]

Lol

[soft hull]

its guy fieri

[pulsar topaz]

I don't know what their query was but I recreated theirs in this instance with "guy fieri with pizza for eyes"

[zenith crater]

not amazing

but it's fun for art

[soft hull]

so midjourney isn't as impressive but it's still cool

restricted access yea

?

[zenith crater]

yeah

[pulsar topaz]

yeah

[hollow dune]

https://www.artbreeder.com/ is free to use btw
another possible model is what facebook/google does: letting people generate anything for free but "sell" information on what a certain person generated

[pulsar topaz]

I will say that midjourney pizza looks better than nearly every other pizza query I've done in DALL

[hollow dune]

not sure about google but wouldn't wonder if that's the case

[soft hull]

me when i get another prompt for dalle in 2 minutes

[pulsar topaz]

DALL seems really bad at food with varied texture - hamburgers, pizza, fries/chips

[soft hull]

wtf happened to art breeder since the last time i saw it

that shit looks so different now

[hollow dune]

i don't know

i've also been there like 6+ months ago

[trim whale]

yes its good

its good at things dalle2 is bad at, and vice versa

[zenith crater]

it's not going to happen? imagine the computing power needed for millions of people doing this at once

it's impossible

[soft hull]

ahh i see

and then there's craiyon, which i like but i assume not many people here do

[pulsar topaz]

Exactly

[trim whale]

"imagine this, it would need millions of times the computer power" is basically saying "imagine this in a few years"

[zenith crater]

well maybe

but right now would be very, very difficult

[soft hull]

Gotta admit Craiyon has a cooler name than DALL-E 2

[pulsar topaz]

Just about any time I show one of my DALL creations on my Facebook or on discord, I get someone vomitting back garbage from that service telling me "hey I have access to DALL-E too"

[soft hull]

Yeah, that's the problem with it, clueless people

[hollow dune]

yeah but it has no digit

[soft hull]

that makes it better by orders of magnitutes

this is getting into EXTREME nitpick territory but DALL-E 2 is so annoying to type every time

sheesh

[hollow dune]

name doesn't indicate the power of the ai

why are we arguing about that :3

[trim whale]

i did a thread of dalle2/midjourney H2Hs yesterday, first prompt first gen no rerolls no items final destination, and this was pretty typical in terms of what you can expect from each AI:
https://twitter.com/shambibble/status/1539435325738688513
dalle2 generates flawless stock photography, flawless clip art, hilarious memes, and the image retouching makes it extremely powerful at nailing down the fine details that midjourney routinely fudges in its own painterly way, but there's a spark of creativity to MJ that i haven't unlocked yet here (not saying it isn't there, i'm only 100 prompts in while i've had unlimited MJ for two weeks, just that right now, i think of midjourney as "concepts" and dalle2 as "execution")

(note that i was focusing specifically on stuff i knew midjourney did well, dalle2 cleaned up in my less-organized meme tweets from day 1)

[hollow dune]

btw it seems "flat earth" is breaking the policies

i remember trying it yesterday but didn't try today yet

i'll go through some requests on the dalle subreddit, spreading love among social media

[pulsar topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/flat-dinosaur-space-gif-14881383

At least there is this gif for hilarity

[hollow dune]

SkyManDan

or how is he called again

used to watch him a lot to make myself feel smart, heh

i can see why they blocked the generation for a photo realistic flat earth

because this could be used as "proof for a flat earth" by some people, hmmm

oh

i've reached my 50 limit

o7

[zenith crater]

same

[trim whale]

this is particularly silly

[hollow dune]

yeah

that's the fun part

[trim whale]

type of guy who was totally skeptical of flat earth and unconvinced by every single result on google image search until dalle2 generated the perfect persuasive meme

[hybrid granite]

I've found DALLE is great at making really fancy food

But sometimes the texturing for things like rice is off

[zenith crater]

it has trouble combining textures of foods definitely

also hey bestie

[zenith dome]

I really wish I could just pay per prompt if I go over my daily limit

OpenAI needs more servers for this

[tribal panther]

https://twitter.com/Dalle2_Pics/status/1539670411822399488

DALL-E 2 PICS (@Dalle2_Pics)

"Cosmic humanoid made of dark energy, going through the multiverses, digital art"

Twitter · Jun 22, 2022, 6:03 PM

i'll share my generations here, i'll be happy if you follow

[soft hull]

Damn google made Imagen 2 on god

[zenith crater]

wait what

😭

[soft hull]

its called parti or something

[blissful summit]

https://parti.research.google/

[hybrid granite]

Oh boy

[zenith dome]

looks cool, but really doesn't look like it's better than Imagen, or even Dall-E 2

Dall-E and Imagen both have much higher resolution/detailing

[blissful summit]

it's really wonderful they give much more results this time, i haven't even reached the bottom if one exists to that page.

[royal iris]

@lofty pond Saw your post in #suggestions #suggestions message
and kinda realized this is likely the eventual path of DALL•E, a chain of custody to say "this was generated by OpenAI." It's like, the perfect use-case for NFTs, but I can't help but feel saddened by that.

At least OpenAI's current stance is against us using DALL•E for NFTs, let's just hope it's not because they're creating an NFT platform themselves. I understand wanting to highlight the technology, but once the incentive for profit is there for any artist to generate on an open platform, the art will likely suffer.

[trim whale]

how on earth do NFTs create a chain of custody that isn't defeated by "right click, save"

like, this "playform" thing only matters if the person sharing your creation is on it, and obviously most people aren't, you don't get any NFT money if someone views your meme on facebook with ifunny and ebaumsworld watermarks on it, which is how most memes are spread

[pulsar topaz]

NFTs are cancer and are mostly just scamming people and laundering money

Oh and ripping off the artists

"draw this cartoon for me for 20$, thanks I just sold it for a million"

[royal iris]

Haha exactly.

But DALL-E can generate a seed, then iterate on an image, which creates an interesting path for images, which could easily lead to an NFT platform based entirely on AI-Generated art.

[trim whale]

sure but that doesn't get you a chain of custody except on the platform, and any image that can be displayed can be screenshot

[royal iris]

For sure, but a popular platform like that is all I'm worried about. Say that, because of profit incentives, it had the prevalence of an Instagram, then it wouldn't matter if it was shared elsewhere. Like an interactive OpenSea made by OpenAI, kindaaa ew, meh.

[trim whale]

it wouldn't address any of the deepfake stuff openAI is concerned about, because the guy telling dalle "create the trump pee tape" probably isn't too concerned with attribution

[royal iris]

Mmmkay, good! Thanks for easing my worries. As long as OpenAI is truly concerned about ethics and all that, I'm glad to hear it.

That "PlayForm" thing was just a bit concerning, because I could see a similar "DALL-E Creations" site, based on profit.

I just want OpenAI to curate some stuff and create some AI-Art feeds, preferably without NFTs.

[soft hull]

Forever grateful DALL-E doesn't allow NFTs <3

[lusty gate]

Is anyone else using dall-E to generate some images and use them to create shortstories?

:)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfChKmAovkP/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfHX9XtIbEg/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Instagram

:) sorry if unwanted or spam 🤗

[strong silo]

There's one thing that really impresses me, it's the fact of getting Brazilian words like "Festa junina"(June party) and bringing real elements of this party. It does not return elements of any Brazilian party, it really comes to "Festa Junina"

[blissful summit]

I posted a few attempts to compare to Google's new Parti in Photos Channel on here, in case anyone wanted to see a comparison.

Still hard to say without personally trying my own prompts on Parti though.

"By default, Parti samples 16 images per text prompt and uses a CoCa model to rank the outputs"

well, i made only 6 then for my tests, i'm guessing

Ah they say in their paper that they interact with Parti and engineer their prompt until they get good results...

it says these are marked as "selected"

the paper gives more info on which more exactly it seems

[robust bluff]

I'm quite confused why google would make 2 seperate text-to-image models 🤔

[robust bluff]

Oh I see, it's non-diffusion

[grand onyx]

two different teams working at the same time, two different techniques? web says "Parti and Imagen are complementary in exploring two different families of generative models – autoregressive and diffusion, respectively – opening exciting opportunities for combinations of these two powerful models."

[robust bluff]

That's super interesting

I wonder if Parti is good at text

[hallow sand]

There is the one example on the site where they show the progression as the # parameters increases, and on the last one it gets the text exactly right

[grand onyx]

i wonder which code gets to good text with less parameters. dalle is 12b and that parti img with good text is 20b (cherry picked tho)

[hollow dune]

i had a very good idea for a generation while sleeping

something like "beethoven self portrait but he is truly happy"

will wait till cooldown ends

[royal oyster]

It’s v hit and miss though! There’s also a tendency to use biased visual elements when it doesn’t know what you’re talking about (lots of skies and blue seas as location when you use Portuguese or mention Brazil, for instance), or to simplify/give it a generic flavour. I’m trying to write my prompts in different languages, and my feeling is that Dall-e’s linguistic competence (and/or access to more diverse images/contexts) varies wildly. My gut feeling is that certain languages, and certain specific subjects in those languages, produce better-looking results than others (these images can be a bit bland though). Then again, depending on the area you focus, and if it’s sth it doesn’t have info on, Dall-e’s output can also leave a lot to be desired in English!

[blazing atlas]

After the novelty of the first couple of days wore off a bit, I did a bit of a deep dive into how DALL·E (and by extension, we as a culture) parse the word "teacher". It's a REALLY interesting one. Kinda spongey, in that it's not strongly gender biased in itself but will quickly take on biases from other concepts in the prompt.

Here's the thread I put together with some examples and thoughts: https://twitter.com/jrohlback/status/1539517177271062528

(the biggest overall concern was that in the prompts I provided it always created white teachers)

[hollow dune]

how to get the 'dalle 2 user' label on the dalle2 subreddit?

[pulsar topaz]

Message the moderators over there

They have you generate a specific prompt and send one of the images to them

[hollow dune]

ahh i see

[zenith crater]

this button!

[hollow dune]

i have rarely used reddit

😅

[blazing atlas]

probably a good thing

[hollow dune]

hehe

[hollow dune]

and the reason is…?

[zenith crater]

There’s a modifier out there to add tiny bumps to an object, anyone know what it might be?

Feel like it’d be perfect for realistic portraits

Update it’s displacement map!

[turbid hatch]

Bump mapping might also give you what you’re looking for?

[zenith crater]

will test it after!

thanks

[turbid hatch]

Good luck! 🍻

[turbid hatch]

I noticed something interesting on midjourney relating to this. Since midjourney shows the images processing I’ve seen often that the text is perfect around 40 or 50% and THEN becomes garbled nonsense. Could be a sweet spot and not just more parameters. Though the parti examples show it best at 20b like you or someone else mentioned! Hard to know anything with certainty when we can’t see behind the curtain of these processes/datasets etc.

[zenith crater]

what is your guys' dall-e 2 niche? what do you enjoy creating the most?

i think mine is high-fashion models

[pulsar topaz]

baroque paintings, wood carvings, needle felting are hands down my favorite niches/genres

This is in my top 3 favorite creations so far, was my first wood carving query

I've also been leaning towards "bronze sculpture" a lot the past few days

[zenith crater]

that's so cool

love it

[pulsar topaz]

This was from my only furniture query, I feel like I can't beat it though

[zenith crater]

oh and mine is lamborghinis as well

[turbid hatch]

I like creating any novel idea, feeling super proud I thought of such a good prompt, and then coming on here and being immediately humbled by everyone else having far more ingenious prompts than the one I thought was brilliant

[zenith crater]

[pulsar topaz]

basically

[zenith crater]

come onnnnnn

lets see some of yours

[turbid hatch]

Haha Kay let me sort through my pile of almost brilliant

[hollow dune]

the ai is based on this one ngl

[turbid hatch]

A realistic dr suess village

[turbid hatch]

A tiger riding a unicycle underwater

[zenith crater]

woah 😭

i love that one

that one as well

[turbid hatch]

You’re too kind 😉

[pulsar topaz]

That's pretty rad

[turbid hatch]

Listening to music for the first time

[zenith crater]

omfg

that's my fave out of the ones you've sent

https://labs.openai.com/s/8gfeGPWCP9gRCZJxzznFaa6l

i like this one i did a lot

[turbid hatch]

That’s awesome!

[grand onyx]

i think i crave simple but powerful concepts/associations, like this fav of mine meandering rainbows

[turbid hatch]

Very very cool

[zenith crater]

that's so gorgeous

[patent grail]

wait lemme redo this

[zenith crater]

tame impala x 100 gecs album cover

COLABLLIIA

[turbid hatch]

Love tame impala

[zenith crater]

sameeeee

[pulsar topaz]

it's been a long data data so the name escapes me, but reminds me of the software in the past few years everyone was using that would just add a bunch of eyes to an image, the galactic rift looks like that there

[zenith crater]

yeah, i actually changed it in the end with the inpainting tool