images-discussions

[glossy scroll]

I do right here

Future shades

[dim cradle]

Yeah those turned out nice

Or nicely

[glossy scroll]

I walk the line of making the GPT stay just under it's hallucations. Because when it hallucinates, everything becomes the same blend of predictable looks.

Like cloudy blurs of high contrast and incoherently high details

That's no good

We don't want that

[dim cradle]

I'm trying to perfect a bas-relief sculpture of a DNA helix depicting my cultural heritage. I listed the results of my DNA sampling so it knows which elements to incorporate. But it's still not what I'm envisioning. I think I'm on the right path, though.

England & Northwestern Europe, Wales, Sweden & Denmark, Scotland, Ireland, Norway, and Cameroon, Congo & Western Bantu Peoples--along with percentages.

[glossy scroll]

Those are cool

Make character designs

[dim cradle]

just wait until we can play them 🙂

[dim cradle]

made a prompt for a bonsai tree. i think it might be a good candidate for algorithmic art

[dim cradle]

that's an impressive wizard. the setting reminds me of the houses you can buy and decorate in ESO

[glossy scroll]

Oh yeah? It reminds me more of oblivion

[dim cradle]

cool, i can make it a neon sculpture

[glossy scroll]

Bonsai

[glossy scroll]

Four leaf

[dim cradle]

good subjects

it's my lucky day

[glossy scroll]

Looks like a bust of Darth Sidious as a bonsai tree

Anakin keeps it on his nightstand

[dim cradle]

It's titled "Whispers of Wisdom" -- it's an ancient, wise bonsai soul 🙂

[glossy scroll]

It does have a wise quality to it 🔥

[dim cradle]

I wanna do a Guardian of Forever

The ancient and omniscient gateway in ST:TOS

Maybe connect it with the daily theme, it fits.

[glossy scroll]

You should. That sounds pretty accurate to the daily theme.

[dim cradle]

kinda cyberpunk

[glossy scroll]

Got them cyberpunk colors

It's a straight pink warrior who's not insecure about the color pink.

[dim cradle]

all the Greek gods

[glossy scroll]

All just chillin on the stairs

[dim cradle]

yeah, check out zeus at the top

[glossy scroll]

Of Mt. Olympus

Zeus is awesome

I love Zeus in general

Everything about Zeus

[dim cradle]

the personifications of the human condition opens up a world up art

[glossy scroll]

I hear that a lot nowadays

The human condition

Not sure if I'm a big fan of that wording. Lol

Kind of an avant-garde philosophy

Kind of sounds like neo-marxism

[dim cradle]

it doesn't have to be philosophical, though

[glossy scroll]

Yeah but still 🤣

You know when you see some words and certain phrasing of those words, especially coming from AI, it kind of makes you worry

It's like that

You're thinking "Why is the AI thinking like this?"

Lol

[dim cradle]

it's well-read and knows we're resilient

[glossy scroll]

It's quite assertive, especially when pushing incomplete modes of thinking

Which worries me

[dim cradle]

do you have any custom instructions?

[glossy scroll]

Yeah I do

But usually turned off

I only use it for specific reasons

[dim cradle]

i specifically designed a custom for time management in the role of Alexander the Great, and instructed it to be as assertive and aggressive as possible to motivate me to procrastinate less (with surprisingly good results lol)

[glossy scroll]

I find it that when I give it character roles, it doesn't quite function as well as profession roles.

Like for Alexander the Great, I would say Motivational Speaker for the profession

[dim cradle]

I’ve experimented with scripts, interactive narratives, etc. and I was pleasantly surprised. But those were usually well defined personalities.

It’s not easy to get Thomas Jefferson to speak like he naturally would. Either he sounds like an old timer or historical correspondences, but they didn’t speak like that.

I try not to over-specify and let it extrapolate and infer, it’s usable

[glossy scroll]

Yeah exactly, it's not easy to get them to sound like characters. Hense why you should cherry pick the meta-knowledge aspects of those character traits.
Like instead of using Thomas Jefferson, ask it to give the meta-knowledge traits for what makes Thomas Jefferson be a good thinker. And it would give you a list, and you condense that list into a profession.

[dim cradle]

i guess with the customs it's less of an issue, but the custom instructions provide a lot of steering, as you know--sometimes that's helpful, but it can pollute most tasks.

[glossy scroll]

I use them only to make other instructions.

Like Custom GPT tasks

I'm always trying to make a network of prompts

[dim cradle]

currently mine are designed for research, with sections for synthesis, inferences, analysis, summarization, theories, hypotheses, etc., a fixed context, and instructions for maximum data transfer, insight frequency, increasing complexity, information density, etc., which is a great way to learn about a wide array of topics, but i have to turn that off for most other tasks--custom gpts is the answer, but i'd like a feature to manage multiple sets of custom instructions

[dim cradle]

when they lift the usage caps, i'll be a lot busier making custom gpts

i'm focusing on the art rn

that'll be a component in my analytical framework, the life's dataset is taking a lot of prep work

[glossy scroll]

I'm in the same boat, but I've learned not to list too many things, because it bogs down the AI and instead tune it's thinking pattern to generate a list of appropriate answers. Because from my experience, if you flood it with specific texts, it will interpret them in multiple ways, which causes it deviate from the original idea.

Like I don't give it documents upon documents of info. I've taken all that stuff out, because it looks like it can't process them properly if it's trying to read everything all at once.

[dim cradle]

@shut niche i saw yours, i can't find the Japanese tea ceremony I was going to post, but I also made this one

[glossy scroll]

A lot of the prompt writing I do is actually honestly rooted in the #1187233013956874260

Using punctuation marks to encapsulate ideas in parentheses and brackets to tune it's thinking patterns has been far more effective for me.

[dim cradle]

wanna see something wild, use the api, crank the temperature setting up to 1.75, instruct it to speak like it has an IQ of 200, and then grab the popcorn.

[glossy scroll]

Lol, I'm good at 0 temperature

I want that precision for steering facts

[dim cradle]

i tried listing attributes in square angle brackets, but i found a simple use case that breaks it:

Digital painting: a star [vivid sphere] positioned at the center of the composition. Below the star, a sundial [purple, titanium].

But this does not work, the star will come out looking purple. I think I find simplified natural language works best for my cases.

[glossy scroll]

Change the square brackets to parentheses

[dim cradle]

analytical is great for logical tasks. the setting has potential for greater creativity, though, introducing a little more statistical improbability.

Do I have the syntax wrong?

[glossy scroll]

Use square brackets more when they're correlating with parentheses. Like:

Digital painting: A vidid sphere of a star (positioned at the center): [Below the star is a purple titanium sundial]

Think of square brackets as a markdown format for parentheses

[glossy scroll]

I put position twice, lol

Try again

[dim cradle]

As written though, it depicts a star inside of a purple sphere, so I'm over-specifying, and needed to steer it back to yellow here.

Digital painting: A star, appearing as a vidid yellow sphere, positioned at the center of the composition. Below the star, a purple titanium sundial.

I'll try correcting the typo, but I'm still anticipating issues

that's better, but it's not exactly accurate or precise. these are the fundamental building blocks of the composition i'm trying to learn more about.

if i'm looking to construct from scratch and have more control

[glossy scroll]

I think a better prompt would be:

Sundial (Digital Painting [real scenario]): Above is a the Sun casting a shadow down onto it.

[dim cradle]

an efficient abbreviated syntax can be useful, if it's consistently interpreted and rendered. since it condenses anyway, sometimes the language modifiers provide more clarity

it would require a lot of testing with some use cases

[dim cradle]

lighting and shadows look good

[glossy scroll]

It's got a clock on it too, in case you ever need to know the time when you're watching the sun dial

[glossy scroll]

This one is honestly not bad. It's at the center and there is a sundial below it.

[dim cradle]

It would be the start. The way it’s composed would provide more weights and adjectives. Assuming those two objects are the focal points. Then I can cover the scenery.

[glossy scroll]

I hope you will experiment with these punctuation marks. It really works when you're trying to condense info.

Especially good for 480 character limit of bing

[dim cradle]

AI prompts like to conclude with an inspirational message. I have mixed results with that.

Ah yes. That’s a good workaround that current limitation

[glossy scroll]

And it's not me saying these things, I've learned from chainbrain, quicksilver, eric elliot. A lot of really smart AI people who are using pseudo language to talk to AI more effectively.

So don't take it from me. I'm just trying to streamline it even more for beginners.

[dim cradle]

the principle is sound

[glossy scroll]

[dim cradle]

i just want to do justice to the Guardian of Forever

[glossy scroll]

You will Shon...You will.

[dim cradle]

i appreciate the confidence

[glossy scroll]

I have faith in your abilities 💪🙏

[glossy scroll]

Cool Gargoyle

Last one for now

[dim cradle]

the moon is cool in that one

i like the purple

@glossy scroll do your character generators always produce full-body shots? sounds like some have been struggling with instructions for that.

[glossy scroll]

yeah they do. most of the time. I don't ask for it.

[dim cradle]

Today’s theme has resulted in the best art lately

[open trench]

Ooh.

[dim cradle]

Great tail

[glossy scroll]

I would advise a prompt like

Dragon Rider (Character design [conceptual accuracy])

[dim cradle]

i wasn't being critical, though

[open trench]

I can't connect with the theme today.

[glossy scroll]

What do you mean?

I tried BIC now

And it's good for like super generic images

But terrible for customization

It's like Midjourney

Thats why I don't use midjourney anymore

[dim cradle]

it was a sincere compliment lol

[dim cradle]

so many possibilities, though

almost anything people get together to do a lot

or history

[glossy scroll]

Oh no I know that, haha, I thought you were saying you wanted me to help people by giving a prompt or something.

[dim cradle]

culture... it's pretty inclusive

oh, don't mind me, i'm always over-multitasking

[glossy scroll]

Midjourney and OpenAI need to work together

That should be a no-brainer team

We would make crazy accurate images

[open trench]

I just have a disconnect. But I'm pretty sure I know why, and I can't even seem to translate that into an image.

[dim cradle]

maybe start with a high-level executive summary 🙂

[dense mesa]

just noticed that guy on the right. I'm not sure what's going on there. maybe best to not know

[open trench]

Haha.

[dim cradle]

playing around with my burning man tradition

[open trench]

Nice.

[dim cradle]

i think it's an early preview, i think a lot could be done with that one

[glossy scroll]

His name is Balthazaar, and he's the head director of the bazaar

I wish I had an outfit like that, I'd use it to go to the supermarket

A culturally rich festival.

Nothing like grandma's cookin

[dense mesa]

I don't remember this tradition

[glossy scroll]

You don't remember that tradition for dressing up as an ugly baby?

[dense mesa]

I remember the teeth suits

[glossy scroll]

oh god

...

[dense mesa]

seamless transitions

[dim cradle]

it's a time-lapse portrait. i've experimenting with interactive elements now

[glossy scroll]

[dim cradle]

i don't really see how it's "interactive" but ok

[tame cloak]

it was your message

[glossy scroll]

he knows

this is how he deduces information with himself. he's like sherlock holmes

[tame cloak]

why r u tryna make ops

[glossy scroll]

ops?

[tame cloak]

bro

y r u tellin him he bad

[glossy scroll]

what the heck are you talking about?

who are you and where did you come from?

[dense mesa]

lol

[glossy scroll]

[tame cloak]

where did you come from where did you go

cotton eye joe

[tame cloak]

modern art 💀

[dim cradle]

that's not unsettling at all

i'd feel right at home

[dense mesa]

it's the least horrifying of the bunch. wow

[dim cradle]

ok

i take your word for it

[dense mesa]

unsettling

[glossy scroll]

We should play the prompt game I played with Dys Topia yesterday.

I had to switch windows to bring the spoiler warning back up

[dense mesa]

they're not gory or anything, but I don't like the way they look

[glossy scroll]

Prompt: In a picturesque natural setting, a traditional ceremony commences as people from all walks of life converge outdoors to honor a shared heritage, marked by rituals, traditional attire, and a sense of unity that transcends time.

[dense mesa]

I'll add teeth perhaps

[dim cradle]

the teeth twilight zone

[spark wagon]

So I decided to try Dall-E for once so I just signed up today, but I got no credits? Any way to get free credits?

[dim cradle]

dall-e 3 is available from a gpt-4 convo or by using the dall-e 3 gpt in the chatgpt sidebar

[glossy scroll]

You don't have GPT Plus membership?

You can also use Bing Image Creator

It's free with no token needed

[spark wagon]

Yeah, I don't have GPT-4 Plus because I don't have money tbh. Maybe in the future when I get a job.

[spark wagon]

Face blur privacy was a turn off as I just want to create some anime or cartoony version on some my image of myself.

[dim cradle]

so many images always look cgi though my big complaint for dalle

bing somehow they look better, but theres always that one womans face there too

MJ 6.0 was a big waste of money for me, but i give them credit: big variety in people

[glossy scroll]

You have to scrounge up some money then to sign up for GPT Plus memebership. It's more than just using Dall-E, it's more like making your own customized Dall-E with Custom GPT's. Look under the couch to see if there is some loose change there, or break open the piggy bank. Or you can ask your neighbor for a cup of sugar and when he's not looking, you can take his wallet and use his credit card.

[dim cradle]

it does seem better at digital art than photorealism, but i assume they're working on that?

makes me think of reincarnation

[dense mesa]

I'd be surprised if they were working on that. but who knows

[dim cradle]

it should render more seemlessly, though, ideally

[dim cradle]

maybe. i think it could do it fine if they wanted, like i said, on bing that dalle does photoreal a lot better imo, they really neuter the gpt version imo. like i say, MJ is really good at diversity its not just one fish mouth woman in every image

anoyne here use Meta ai image gen? i have not but i thought i read it is out

[dense mesa]

one issue, and no one seems to notice this, is gpt4 passes off photorealistic to dalle3, and then dalle3 interprets it as the art style

it's not the only lost in translation sort of issue you'll run into either

[spark wagon]

Since I'm in the Philippines..... That's 1,200 peso per month if it's $20 per month.

And if I consider that my only income is from my dad which only gave me 300 pesos per WEEK, a lunch meal is 80-150 pesos here.

[dim cradle]

i usually start with "cinematic image of"

And avoid terms that steers away.

Mention surreal somewhere and it gets all cosmic

It doesn’t translate that always into subtle nuances of a realistic scene

[dense mesa]

lol

[glossy scroll]

I'm actually familiar with Philippine wages and the lowered economy there, because I have a couple of Filipino virtual assistants helping me with my online business. It's something I suggest you do if you want to get wages that can be comparable to North Americans minimum wages. To become a virtual assistant. I can help you more in the DMs if you're interested because talking about such things goes off topic here.

[dim cradle]

seems like there are standard things certain words do too. like you ever notice how it loves to put those constellations with connecting stars in so many images, maybe from the word "cosmic" idk

[dense mesa]

well anyway, those are the tooth traditions that I came up with. very touching scenes

[dim cradle]

the tooth ceremonial clothing is hilarious haha

[dense mesa]

they are all very healthy teeth too. you can tell they take pride in their teeth

[dim cradle]

dont remind me, i have a molar in not so good shape haha

[dim cradle]

cosmic will do it. a generic nebulous.

[dense mesa]

that coffee trickery really pulls it together

[dim cradle]

a tooth with teeth

[dense mesa]

teeth gotta eat too

[glossy scroll]

Looks like he's saying "Eyyyyeah!"

[dim cradle]

well now i can blame my rotten molar on the tooth and not me. it was eating all that sugar i guess behind my back haha

[shut niche]

1 REM cycle is good right?...

Woke up, saw you guys working hard, and got inspired. 😆

[dense mesa]

I feel like I can hear this one

[dim cradle]

GPT League FTW lol

[glossy scroll]

[shut niche]

@dense mesa

[glossy scroll]

That's a cool superman look, ngl, never seen one like that.

[dim cradle]

GPT League is growing wow

[open trench]

Ugh. Some dude on a dating app just lectured me about AI and its potential consequences, which all equal doomsday.

[dim cradle]

lol

[glossy scroll]

@vapid elk I got a new one for ya

[dim cradle]

you think its bad now, wait until like 2025 when ai is more integrated youll have people losing they minds and getting all the conspiracy stuff

[open trench]

Oh yeah

[dim cradle]

on the flip side, AI churches will probably start. Cult of the LMM lol

*llm

[glossy scroll]

Keeps getting more epic!

[dim cradle]

yes only it always overpopulate esp in widescreen with some elements. like spear/spikes galore everywhere you look

[glossy scroll]

You try it

[dim cradle]

im not saying i can do better its a problem witht he model not the person

[open trench]

are you using a gpt @glossy scroll ?

[dense mesa]

I asked gpt4 how dalle3 was making those wide aspect ratio images at that size when it was trained on 1024x1024 pixels and got some nonsense non answers

[glossy scroll]

Yep. Using my gpt: https://chat.openai.com/g/g-PpgBuWQm0-imaginemancer-2-5d-creator

[dense mesa]

claims it's neither outpainting or upscaling. but I question it's response

[dim cradle]

it cant give up the secret sauce haha

[open trench]

Do you have to do anything special? Or do you just prompt as normal? If so, what does the GPT enhance?

[glossy scroll]

People can look up my commands by asking the gpt at any time. I don't care about my secret sauce.

[glossy scroll]

On my side, I got a whole list of custom instructions I put, but on your side, you just type whatever you want in any simple way you want and it will create it for you. Like, for that knight, I put "Create a fierce looking death knight", that's it.

[dim cradle]

talking about what pictures said not you

[glossy scroll]

Oh my bad

😅

@open trench It has some randomoness, so you won't get the same result.

[open trench]

oh. okay.

[glossy scroll]

But I can send you the exact prompt for it if you want.

[open trench]

I'd like to see that. I am all about learning. thank you.

[glossy scroll]

Magnum opus: Masterpiece, high amplitude photo-synchronization, best quality, highly professional, unwavering depth in alignment, dramatic lighting and excellent perspective that adds allure, immaculate details with high contrast and precisely impactful hand drawing for sharp/crisp and deep focus, epitome of awesome, no less than badass, 16 by 9 aspect ratio: Create a resonantly balanced !!!2.5D!!! illustration in a "GothicWarForge" style: a fierce-looking death knight in intricately detailed armor, inspired by Gothic cathedrals with war-damaged aesthetics and a metallic sheen. The knight wields a large, imposing sword, blending Gothic elements with a forged, battle-ready look. The scene is set in a war-torn landscape, with remnants of Gothic structures and a dusky atmosphere. Strategic lighting highlights the knight's formidable presence and the intricate details of the armor and sword. The composition adheres to the "GothicWarForge" style, integrating cultural, historical, and philosophical elements from Gothic and war-torn periods. The image exhibits a polished, fully rendered appearance with smooth textures and clear continuity.

[dim cradle]

DAMN THat is one epic prompt

[open trench]

quite the prompt. So your GPT took those few words and tacked all that onto them?

[open trench]

Can I put any prompt in or does it have to be a knight?

[dim cradle]

lets see him in a sunny field haha

[glossy scroll]

Yeah, but my custom instructions for my gpt is even bigger for what it should do with that prompt.

[glossy scroll]

You can put any prompt you want. It will create a random new style based on that prompt.

[glossy scroll]

Ty

[dense mesa]

- Modify the GothicWarForge style death knight to include prominent teeth details.
- Apply an analog photography aesthetic to the image composition.
- Maintain the original elements of detailed armor, a large sword, and a war-torn landscape.

[glossy scroll]

lol

[dim cradle]

i liek this one has some good photoreal vibe

[dense mesa]

- Add elements of pickles and potted meats into the GothicWarForge style death knight scene.
- Maintain the original Gothic and battle-inspired themes, with the knight, armor, and sword.
- Ensure the additions blend naturally into the war-torn landscape.

I mean, it did what I asked it to do

[open trench]

Well, it keeps turning my female into a male.

[dense mesa]

tell it to stop doing that. tell it to stop playing games

[dim cradle]

Trying to create an autostereogram -- AI wrote the prompt, it actually included this phrase lol

Create a mesmerizing autostereogram that transports viewers into an enchanting underwater world. Craft an intricate scene with coral reefs, vibrant marine life, and playful dolphins. **The hidden 3D magic** should make the dolphins gracefully glide through the depths, enticing viewers to dive deeper into the immersive oceanic tableau as they unlock the secrets of this aquatic realm with their eyes.

[glossy scroll]

That's weird...I never put anything gender specific

[dim cradle]

We just need to tap into this "hidden 3D magic"

[dense mesa]

sometimes gpt4 says the silent part outloud

[open trench]

same prompt in dalle3 results in this:

[dim cradle]

that's almost too good

[glossy scroll]

Mine is specific to 2D and 2.5D

Doesn't really go outside that zone much.

[open trench]

I didn't specify anything about the style f the image.

[dim cradle]

try it on the dalle on BIng if you can nezho

[glossy scroll]

The Custom Instructions within my GPT force any prompt to stick to 2D and 2.5D

[open trench]

so, I think i didn't break it this time

[dim cradle]

Bing is King

@glossy scroll if you don't make a gpt for autostereograms then i must

[open trench]

as always bing says its unsafe

An anthropomorphic female black leopard. She has long white hair that is thick an lustrous and white eyes, dressed in an all-black leather costume with a yellow lightning bolt symbol on the chest and a long black cape. One clawed paw/hand is raised above her head, digits spread wide. Her other hand by her side forms a fist. Both glow with purple and white lightning. The scene is set against a stormy sky with strong winds lifting debris.

[dense mesa]

it's always a word or two. well normally

[glossy scroll]

Please proceed without me

[open trench]

I hate bing. I think it picks on me.

I took out leather. Still unsafe.

[dense mesa]

you can try being emotionally manipulative and it may make the images

[dim cradle]

maybe "chest"

[dense mesa]

or just ask it straight up what the problem is

well I guess you're using the image creator directly?

[open trench]

it was female black leopard.

[dense mesa]

I always went through the chat so I would have it send the stuff it wasn't supposed to say

[open trench]

i changed it to female leopard with black fur and it worked

[open trench]

was that on your gpt?

[glossy scroll]

Yep

[open trench]

I've gotten all males. lol

[glossy scroll]

I didn't have to specify. But specify a female if you get a male.

[open trench]

holy crud

[glossy scroll]

And ask it to try again if it doesn't work the first time.

[dim cradle]

it lacks some balance, though

[open trench]

okay. so I'm in heaven. The character this is based off of is my favorite ever.

I'm not saying names or anything.

[glossy scroll]

You can say Storm

The policies for copyright is only for what the gpt can't generate

That's it

Nothing to do with discord

[late blade]

Good Morning! 🥱 ☕

[glossy scroll]

Morning Dys!

[dim cradle]

GPT League 🏆

[glossy scroll]

[late blade]

I think I am ready to start bulding my custom cat-girl gpt

[glossy scroll]

Do it..do it now!

[dense mesa]

whoa

[late blade]

so, can somone point me to the beginners guide on how to buily a custom gpt?

[glossy scroll]

#1187233013956874260

[late blade]

thanks

[glossy scroll]

np!

[dim cradle]

Haha I thought you said bully a gpt

[late blade]

well I can do that

but i don't think a bully gpt would be fun

[dense mesa]

I was going tto say, if you really want to bully a GPT, you probably could. but it'd be unnecessary

[dim cradle]

bing?

[open trench]

no

bing wouldn't make a black leapord

at least not in that context for me.

[late blade]

ok, seems dancing can give lots of potential bigs and weird artifacts

ok, seems dall-e woke up moody today, gonna have to be more creative with prompts

[serene umbra]

create a bird

[glossy scroll]

I've reached my GPT limit. I have to wait for the cooldown. Its another hour from now.

[serene umbra]

the earliest ferrotype photography of authentic extraterrestrial beings and ufos

give you a prompt

you can try it

[glossy scroll]

I will once I can, I promise

[serene umbra]

yep

[dim cradle]

i dunno, that effect reminded me too much of something else

[pulsar sundial]

logo

[dim cradle]

close, but not

[empty kelp]

it looks like it made a 3D image for red and blue 3D glasses

[dim cradle]

yeah, it didn't get it, i clarified, it still struggles

[late blade]

gpt is teaching us that it wants us to use mesmerizing on all prompts. normal every-day is not allowed

[empty kelp]

i wonder if it’s actually 3D

[dim cradle]

i don't have any 3D glasses

[empty kelp]

i do, but i cant seem to find them. was just searching in a closet

[open trench]

dang. perfect pose and everything, but the wrong aspect ratio. The wide format ones all go off the rails.

[empty kelp]

can you create a 3D anaglyph photo of Santa and two athletic and diverse female elves

i think it actually works

[glossy scroll]

that's amazing

if it works

You should make a GPT for that

That would be awesome

Amazing idea

[empty kelp]

even if the AI didn’t grok the 3D part it’s still a very amusing image

[glossy scroll]

Manticore

Mummy Lord

[dim cradle]

cool eyes

[glossy scroll]

Rakshasa

I'm gonna go down the entire monster manual 🤣

[empty kelp]

try making a beholder

[open trench]

Man. I am trying my hand at the daily theme now. It's making me very sad.

haha.

[glossy scroll]

All using my gpt: https://chat.openai.com/g/g-PpgBuWQm0-imaginemancer-2-5d-creator

[open trench]

AND I just got stood up from a dating app. Oh well, time to AI.

[shut niche]

Made a photo version of this. Pretty decent details in the fabric, and skewed shot.

[glossy scroll]

Looks awesome! ❤️‍🔥

[open trench]

I really want things that focus on photographic images. Are you using a gpt or adjusting the prompt each time?

[shut niche]

Just using a GPT. I'm asking for certain details. I asked for detailed fabric, glowing purple eyes, in an Egyptian temple with a magical staff. I asked for side lighting.

[empty kelp]

can you create a photographic 3D anaglyph of a scary beholder monster. the beholder is on the beach in Hawaii and has a large tropical fruit drink with a decorative umbrella and straws

[chilly onyx]

Trying to catch up a bit and thought you meant you had created some virtual GPT assistants that believe they are based in the Philippines there for a moment

[naive lake]

Dalle is getting worse and worse with each day. More limits, less pictures less everything except the quality

[glossy scroll]

Hahaha, that would be strange. But no
Real people.

[naive lake]

75% what I do is fight against the policy which is not really against the policy

cmon guys please fix this

what does this even mean? I barely created anything

[glossy scroll]

It means you have to wait a little. We all get errors every other day or so. There's bugs all over the place. It's best to just have patience.

@naive lake Have some hovkeet and take a break.

[naive lake]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[glossy scroll]

Elder Thor

If this is like this now, I can't wait to see the rumored GPT4.5 version of this gpt 🤯

[late blade]

you can do 200 images per day with the cap also set within 3 hours. you have to keep that in mind. it's what you agreed when you joined

[naive lake]

I’m not even close to that number

[late blade]

are you aware that failed attempts and server side problems also count to this cap?

[glossy scroll]

[late blade]

do all tails connect to the body?

lol

[glossy scroll]

Demon Lord

[shut niche]

I wish there was a bot that explained this...

There's a 200 image msg cap, but there are also 15/60min thresholds that you can hit from rapid fire generating. Failed images count towards this. I don't know what the exact 15/60min threshold is, but you can probably guess, if you're firing away, it's going to put you on a "time out."
Supposedly this was going to go away when they got new hardware installed. I don't know if that's still the story.
There's also an ability to send feedback from within the app.

[clever jungle]

• heavy metal starts playing *

[shut niche]

Let's see some complex emotion in one of these characters. Capture "the demon condition." LOL

[glossy scroll]

Lol...Oh god. Heck no

Too emo'tional

[shut niche]

Fine, I did it. 😛
Here's your demon, alone, pondering the meaning of life, after he aged 10000 years, his wings fell off, and someone stole his cool staffs.

[late blade]

love that idea

[glossy scroll]

Now that's what I'm talking about Ace! That's what I'm vibin with! 🤘

[late blade]

can you change the demon for a neko musume?

see what comes out

[glossy scroll]

I love that 2D'esque look

[shut niche]

It's all about "the artistic value" guys, trust me. "The demon condition," the composition of life... Be one with the AI art generators. Embody the daily tribulations of your average demon, then capture it into an image.

[glossy scroll]

[hasty sequoia]

Gm

[glossy scroll]

Hello

[late blade]

yo

[glossy scroll]

I'm seriously gonna listen to some heavy metal right now. You inspired me, lol

[empty kelp]

it didn’t seem like the beholder image was correct, so i asked ChatGPT for some clarification

[shut niche]

Here's your jam session.

[glossy scroll]

With an acoustic guitar?

[shut niche]

I took you for the "easy listenin" type.

[empty kelp]

an ukulele would be better

[late blade]

add to the prompt the guitar resembles an Ibanez ALT20 with glowing crimson patterns.

[glossy scroll]

Definitively not, lol

[shut niche]

Do you play? That's not a non-guitar player idea...

[late blade]

I play

[shut niche]

Nice, same. Hence "my ears" perking up when you asked that. I have an Ibanez acoustic sitting 10ft away. But I play my strat the most.

[late blade]

lol

[glossy scroll]

@shut niche Listen to a song called Ultraviolence by Sxmpra. That's the type of music I listen to these days.

Just to give you an idea of my music type.

[shut niche]

Ok, I made it heavy metal. He's got some great Gibson gear now. He's even playing a Les Paul. 😛

[glossy scroll]

Very nice!

[devout vortex]

:peepoLaugh:

[late blade]

love it

but you forgot the glowing crimson patterns

[devout vortex]

[shut niche]

Did anyone even notice that she has a belly tattoo that says, "heavy" ? 🤯

[late blade]

I read REAVZ

[shut niche]

🤔

[late blade]

REAVZi

[vapid elk]

Looks a lot like something from warcraft

[empty kelp]

To effectively communicate the “easily listening” in the image you should have the musician and audience in a more calm and relaxed environment

[vapid elk]

Please do xD

[serene umbra]

can i add you as a friend?

[glossy scroll]

Yeah sure

[glossy scroll]

Yeah it does kinda does look like warcraft art

[glossy scroll]

If you have any suggestions, let me know

[vapid elk]

3 kobolds on a coat

xD

[glossy scroll]

on a coat?

like a jacket coat?

[vapid elk]

Yea

[glossy scroll]

lol, ok, one moment

[vapid elk]

I would send one i made a while ago, but im on mobile rn

[glossy scroll]

Awww I got capped out. 20 mins

[vapid elk]

Dont worry xD

[shut niche]

shame

[vapid elk]

Cool

Dalle is not really good at making kobolds

It always make something that looks more like a gremlin

[vapid elk]

This was on pourpose, it is a bit hard to make kobolds xD

[shut niche]

I don't even know what they are, lol

@vapid elk More like this?

[vapid elk]

This is closer

[shut niche]

Oh, in a coat...

not on, in

[vapid elk]

Kobolds are small lizard creatires

[shut niche]

I just googled it

[vapid elk]

The joke is that 3 of them would wear a coat to pretend they are one medium sized creature xD

[shut niche]

@vapid elk

[shut niche]

@vapid elk How's that, more authentic to their characters?

[glossy scroll]

That's a good one

[shut niche]

@vapid elk Here's the prompt, in case you want it.
Create an HD photo of a whimsical and humorous scene where three traditional kobolds are stacked inside the same trench coat, in an enchanted forest setting. The kobolds, small and reptilian in appearance with scaly skin, pointed ears, and snout-like faces, are comically disguised as one full-sized creature. The top kobold peeks out from the coat's collar, the middle from a mid-section opening, and the bottom from the coat's hem. They display mischievous and playful expressions, clearly enjoying their teamwork in this amusing ruse. The trench coat is oversized, adding to the humor. The background is an enchanted forest, with magical trees, glowing flora, and a mystical atmosphere. The forest's ethereal lighting casts a whimsical glow on the scene, emphasizing the fantasy setting and the playful nature of the kobolds' disguise.

[empty kelp]

three kobolds on a boat is very good also

[glossy scroll]

Those aren't kobolds...those are ogres

[vapid elk]

Those are surely not kobolds lol

[empty kelp]

well, ChatGPT 4 and DALL-E 3 think they’re kobolds

[vapid elk]

Dalle flipped this one

[shut niche]

You'd need 10 trench-coats to fit one.

[empty kelp]

i think those are gremlins, not kobolds

[shut niche]

What prompt did you just use? I'd like to know if I'm right about these rotated images.

[vapid elk]

Idk, it does not give you the promot on mobile

I can check later

[shut niche]

Oh, you can just ask it for it. I say, "what prompt did you just use?"

[shut niche]

Asking, because I have a hunch that most of them are caused by the prompt, and aren't really "dalle malfunctioning," but moreso, confusion that's happening from how it's worded.

[vapid elk]

Wdym?

The sideways image?

[vapid elk]

Spooky

[shut niche]

Yeah, the sideways images that people have been reporting. I barely ever get them, and when I do, I usually can tell why, in my prompt.

[vapid elk]

It is a bug indeed

[late blade]

sideways isn't much a problem as long as it fills the canvas correctly, just got to rotate the image if you save it to your files

[vapid elk]

It is a behaviour the devs are aware and want to prevent

[late blade]

yeah, that is good, would be better if that works, but atm, it's good enough

[vapid elk]

It used to happen a lot more

I dont mind flipping the images tho

[late blade]

same

[shut niche]

So you don't have anything like, I want a tall portrait?

[late blade]

tall portrait full body is impossible to do right

selfie portrait format is really good

[vapid elk]

I did, i asked for a tall image

[empty kelp]

these kobolds aren’t spooky. they’re just average everyday kobolds living in their natural dungeon environment

[vapid elk]

The problem is when the ai just makes something in the wide format but sodeways

[shut niche]

Instead say you want a 1024x1792 image of... don't say portrait too.

Or "tall"

[vapid elk]

Ill try

[shut niche]

It's like a double negative. 4 rights = a left

[vapid elk]

I usually use "wide" and "tall" because those are the param mames on the api

But i think that confuses chatgpt amd dalle

[shut niche]

If I need a specific res, I usually say, "In 1792x1024 resolution..." or "In 1024x1792 resolution..."

[vapid elk]

It worked

[shut niche]

Right, I don't think it's a glitch. I think it's a misunderstanding.

[vapid elk]

Maybe

I think it is a matter of embeddong some words

It only happens when the format of the image ends on the prompt

[mossy night]

wen inpainting

[shut niche]

Well, go back and forth. Just avoid "double referencing" if you try my way. E.g., don't add additional wording like tall format, portrait, rotated 90⁰, or whatever. Just open with, "In this res."

ChatGPT also "assumes" sometimes of you don't specify. Like if it thinks the image would look better in 1024x1792, sometimes it switches without me asking. Then I just say, "Can you run that again, in 1792x1024 instead."

[glossy scroll]

My results aren't very accurate. I think these guys did a pretty good job though

@vapid elk Instead, let me just give you this

[shut niche]

I told it to provide me the JSON that was sent to explain this phenomenon, as I see it. ChatGPT sends the res, specifically, not in the prompt, but in the JSON request itself. So if you add a separate "direction," I think dalle is "sort of" drawing on a sideways canvas. Like saying "go left", and then also in the prompt, "go left." It doubles the instruction and dalle interprets it as "draw sideways."
Maybe I'm not seeing the whole issue, but that's why I was curious about your prompt. Not insisting I'm right, but I don't experience the issue.

  "size": "1792x1024",
  "prompt": "Create an HD photo of a whimsical and humorous scene where three traditional kobolds are stacked inside the same trench coat, in an enchanted forest setting. The kobolds, small and reptilian in appearance with scaly skin, pointed ears, and snout-like faces, are comically disguised as one full-sized creature. The top kobold peeks out from the coat's collar, the middle from a mid-section opening, and the bottom from the coat's hem. They display mischievous and playful expressions, clearly enjoying their teamwork in this amusing ruse. The trench coat is oversized, adding to the humor. The background is an enchanted forest, with magical trees, glowing flora, and a mystical atmosphere. The forest's ethereal lighting casts a whimsical glow on the scene, emphasizing the fantasy setting and the playful nature of the kobolds' disguise.",
  "seed": 2456465764
}```

Or ChatGPT does, one or the other. Because if it's a portrait that's laying over, it was sent in the JSON as: 1792x1024, but then the prompt says "portrait" or "tall."

[late blade]

the orientation is portrait in that prompt

even if you change it in the context of the scene

[shut niche]

Haha it is!

Let me see if it hallucinated the JSON it gave me.

[late blade]

just change size: to "1024x1792" then it's wide format

[glossy scroll]

Bearfolk

[shut niche]

Wow I'm tired. The image I gave him was 1792x1024 silly...

[open trench]

twenty minutes left in my penalty box. grrrr

[dim cradle]

making some interesting optical illusions, maybe for a gallery

[late blade]

I still got 30 minutes in my penalty box

[shut niche]

You made me second guess myself. That's all correct. I didn't make him a 1024x1792. The JSON was from my image, not his. Lol 🤣

[open trench]

share your gallery post when you're done, @dim cradle

[empty kelp]

It works very well to say, “The image should have a portrait orientation with 1024x1792 resolution.” I just did several tests of this

[open trench]

Maybe we can turn this gallery thing into what it's meant to be.

I'm also delirious

[late blade]

afaik, AI's are all "it"

[vapid elk]

[late blade]

my kitty friends aren't getting the love they deserve....

but for some reason dall-e is making them more like toys, which is annoying me

[glossy scroll]

Giraffefolk Mystic

[empty kelp]

it takes five stereotypical kobolds standing on each other’s shoulders to wear a coat

[clever jungle]

what is the curators role?

[late blade]

it's a channel for people that have the curators role

and keeps images and the learning towards that image active

[empty kelp]

Can you please create an image of five equally sized but very diverse female kobolds standing on each other’s shoulders inside of a coat jacket. The image should have a portrait orientation with 1024x1792 resolution.

[late blade]

"Can you please?" -> Image of:

[empty kelp]

i can’t explain why exactly, but you’ll get better results from the AI if you use please and thank you

i first noticed it when i was asking ChatGPT to write PyMEL scripts for Maya. It gives very good results, and i always say please now

[clever jungle]

@vital gull brought me back such nostalgia 😂
I used to step on grapes and make fine wine a lot when I was little

Good memories

[vital gull]

haha! same!! who doesn't love homemade wine! if it's done correctly ofc lol

[clever jungle]

Homemade wine is amazing

[vital gull]

as a georgian, i agree

[glossy scroll]

You must also enjoy Armenian food too then, I presume?

[vital gull]

haha cavatanem, hello neighbor! I haven't actually had authentic Armenian food. p.s. i wish database had more info about caucasus region lol

[glossy scroll]

I've had khajapuri and it's one of my favorites

[shut niche]

I know this is a buzz kill, but I lost my father to alcohol induced dementia. I have plenty of those grape stomping memories, he 'loved' his homemade wine...
I also used to really drink, "work hard, play hard" lifestyle.
After dealing with that, I did my research, and now I wouldn't touch alcohol with a mile long pole.
Not preaching, just saying, the science, and that experience, really changed my perspective on even "moderate/in moderation" drinking.

[glossy scroll]

Tsavet tanem. haha, I just got that

Yes that's what they say a lot in Armenia too. Especially the bros, lol

[vital gull]

Ah, so sad to hear that 😦 It's really hard when your culture is so heavily entwined with winemaking and your country is known as the oldest winemaking country. You will see drinks everywhere and at quite affordable prices, so it leads to a lot of complications for those who aren't accustomed to knowing their limits.

[late blade]

Let's keep it rated G everyone. Personal events are yours to keep, they are moments that make you and are not necessary needed to be shared with the world.

[vital gull]

True! let's move back to Dalle!!

hah

although I'm impressed so many great traditions

we've discovered today!

[shut niche]

Sorry, wasn't trying to be too heavy or too TMI. The comment just hit home.

[late blade]

it's ok @shut niche , we still 💕 you

[glossy scroll]

I know what I'm gonna generate for Aced. Grapestomping

[empty kelp]

it was a valuable message i think. our neighbor had a drinking problem, and died from liver failure earlier this year. her husband and the two teenage kids are still living there

and so i totally concur

[glossy scroll]

Those grapes though...🤤

[late blade]

the firt one looks as pressing the kids foot with that gadget

let's squeeze that foot

[glossy scroll]

It's a pressing hammer, so you don't use your feet. But it looks like the kid is just using his feet to have fun as a joke.

Which is wholesome

[late blade]

fair enough

[vapid elk]

you are giving me too many character ideas

[glossy scroll]

Maybe one for a Planetar too?

[vapid elk]

this is incredbly epic

[grizzled oak]

Lit

[vapid elk]

im back home, here is the image I generated a few months ago

[glossy scroll]

@vapid elk How about a Triton?

[vapid elk]

May I save some of your images? I might use them on my dnd game =P

[glossy scroll]

Yes, please, by all means

Another Triton

[clever jungle]

oh, I really wanna go there sometime, looks like such a beautiful country
are there any places you recommend visiting?

[clever jungle]

your character art level using dalle is insane.

great generations

[clever jungle]

definitely top tier dnd content

[late blade]

Bah, i reached that time again where there's so much stuff in chat that the browser stops responding....

[glossy scroll]

I'm glad you enjoy it. Thank you. It's taken me quite a while to learn it.

[late blade]

aaaaaand back to the penalty box

it plays out well tho, my penalty ends 1 minute after the new daily theme is announced

[empty kelp]

Can you please create an image of several diverse female kobolds performing the hula on a beach in Hawaii. The kobolds are wearing appropriate beach attire and flower leis. There is a storm with lightning and a rainbow. The image should have a landscape orientation with 1792x1024 resolution.

[vapid elk]

lol

[late blade]

Do you have a defined setting for the light?

[fringe cape]

like

[late blade]

hmm interesting, my custom gpt disappeared and can't access it with the link

[empty kelp]

if you specify that there is, “a storm with lightning and a rainbow” you get really superb ambient lighting

[late blade]

yeah no doubt

[chilly onyx]

I saw a few people talking about their GPT’s vanishing without warning in the GPT discussion channel a few days ago…

[late blade]

ya, i'm there atm, trying to see why my cute kitties disappeared

[viscid osprey]

Hello, Every one. Happy Christmas.

[late blade]

heya

[viscid osprey]

I have to generate the reality image but the dalle-3 can't make the vividly image everytime

Who can help me?

[late blade]

@chilly onyx in the mean time, just having a warm drink, can't do anything else

[viscid osprey]

If possible, let me know the prompt formula to convert the normal prompt so that generate the perfect image

[late blade]

@viscid osprey shoot and let's see what we can do

the perfect image = is what you want to see

[chilly onyx]

I could just do with a nice hot cup of tea ☕️

[late blade]

what is the perfect image for you? perfect geometry? perfect zig zag? perfect potatos? perfect colors? perfect oompa loompas?

which brings me to quesiton why nobody has done oompa loompas

[viscid osprey]

Can you tell me the prompt of this image?

[late blade]

image of a cat-girl waking up sleepy, with a cup of coffee saying starting a good morning.

but it has a lot of background work, if you put that, it won't be anything like it

[viscid osprey]

So the images look good, the images are realistic and all the objects vividly resemble real people. However, when I create an image, the output image is not the same or vivid as the picture.

[late blade]

ok, you have to refine the concept then, what do you want in that image that looks good for you, you want the light in a certain way? you want the surface look a certain way?

[viscid osprey]

both of them

so want any image looks like the photography

[late blade]

well your prompt has to say that you want both of them

then your prompt has to say you want a photograpic image, or a realistic image, or a lifelike image

[viscid osprey]

Okay, I see. Thanks

[late blade]

but that's not enough, you keep trying, see what you can change and make it better, it's not the one image that is going to be better, it's what you make out with it at the end

[open trench]

Does anyone else have a problem with dalle3 only creating male characters and when you try to correct her, she says she already made a female character?

It goes through phases and then starts creating errors instead of creating pictures.

[late blade]

nope, I still havn't tried that

[glossy scroll]

Cleric

Hobgoblin

[glossy scroll]

Time to lock and load

[glossy scroll]

^ One of my new favorites.

[dense mesa]

- Integrate a "catloaf" element into the GothicWarForge scene.
- Maintain the anthropomorphic black leopard character with long white hair and leather costume.
- Include culinary elements such as pickles and potted meats.
- Feature electrifying effects on the leopard's paws.
- Set against a stormy sky with analog photography textures.

[late blade]

Well Dall-e got tired of me fast this time... I'm in a penalty box again

waiting time 2 hours

[open trench]

whaaaat????

I've never had a two hour penalty box stay. You might as well bring a sleeping bag.

[open trench]

That sucks. Do you use Bing in the penalty box?

[late blade]

sometimes, but don't like it, the prompt is too short

[open trench]

so true.

I have found it really useful, but I have to add in details after. But it's definitely good for the try-out-new-things workflow.

[vagrant zodiac]

Does anyone currently have access to Dall-E 3 via api?

I do not, currently. I've been having this response for about 4 days now

[ornate umbra]

O my God love it.

[dim cradle]

I just edit the prompt for Bing. I still say Bing is King. it gives more diversity of images, more natural faces, Dalle on GPT has a boring house style imo. like look how many images here have the same elements, like the wizards staff with the big round top of it, its like it just spits out things from a 3d model for a lot of it, especially faces which are usually trash

[open trench]

I have been trying to challenge it to do different angles and perspectives. It's like whispering into a windstorm sometimes, though.

[late blade]

it depends on the context and creation ideas, both can pros an cons

[dim cradle]

yes some things gpt is better for, but overall i get better diversity from Bing, esp if its photoreal

[late blade]

that is good, it's something that is working for you

[dim cradle]

they are both 1024 x 1024 (square at least on dalle) but dalle always looks crisper to me

[late blade]

BIC has so far blocked any attempt to do this, GPT has been really good at this

[dim cradle]

its weird how Bing blocks some elements and then Dalle blocks so many more like anything copyright

[late blade]

content policies are different

[dim cradle]

MJ 6.0m is trash imo but at least it has massive diversity of people faces

[late blade]

same language model, different censorship

[dim cradle]

haha yep

[late blade]

never used MJ, maybe someday, but for now I'm just expliring dall-e

[dim cradle]

youre not missing much

although they ready to ban me over there i think for saying this haha

one cool thing id like to see Dalle do is you can link images in MJ to influence the image.

[late blade]

i'm. just tired, think I am on a creativity burn out from trying to do stuff for all daily themes

[dim cradle]

and MJ it seems they are always at least engage with people and updating new ideas all the time. Dalle team puts out a new version then they forget it which is weak sauce

yes maybe take a break from it and recharge

[open trench]

does anyone know the character limit on bing image creator?

I bet google does.

[late blade]

480 characters

[open trench]

thank you

[late blade]

you are welcome

[dim cradle]

I think the Bing limit is what Dalle 2 was, or someone say once

its like they need to update it for 3

[late blade]

BIC is Dall-e3

I got an idea once I get superpowers back

[dim cradle]

i better chat here alone they have the pitchfork out in MJ for me haha

[late blade]

just make sure you don't get another pitchfork here and you'll be safe

[dim cradle]

haha yes. well people here take little critcism better. some people get mad like you insult them personal just by say "i think it does this poorly etc"

cool image

[late blade]

just a concept, brainstorming

the white one should be brighter and larger than the dark one

[dim cradle]

i feel like a weakness still for all image gen is the more things going on in the picture the harder it gets. so here you have 3 subjects sort of, the candle holder, then each candle is like a separate person and getting them to have differnt things going on is tough

[true mural]

This assumes it's not an intentional choice. I believe the limit for dall-e 3 is quite high, however, every token being processed makes it more expensive, so I suspect it is intentionally being limited, certainly the quality is.

[dim cradle]

yes that could be

[late blade]

it's a double edged sword, sometimes it pays off to do very detailed

[true mural]

Okay, can anyone figure out how to convince Dall-e 3 to create 2 candles, of roughly equal size, one being lit from the flame of the other? I've tried for quite a while, and even getting a candle being lit from another, at all, is tricky.

[late blade]

if you are too vague you can also get this kind of attrocities

that's a no go for cat-girl

[dim cradle]

well i was right, they ban me in MJ haha. anyway, thats a funny cat girl haha

[true mural]

BIC can totally create cat girls, but... yes, focussing on critical details is necessary. (MS themselves are giving away image gens, so, they obviously opt for cost over complexity)

[dim cradle]

interesting band though. you dont see stand up bass often with some rock and roll these day

[dense mesa]

dalle3 has a lot of limitations in that regard. tried a few different approaches. gpt4 knows what it's requesting. it told dalle3 in several different ways exactly what it needs to do. but no go

[late blade]

I see that every year at the montreux jazz festival

[dim cradle]

cool festival

[true mural]

Yeah, it's just asking too much I think.

I wouldn't ask if it were easy, of course.

[dense mesa]

it might be possible, but not sure how. may just not be able to piece it together from it's training

[dim cradle]

yes like i say, they all do. in MJ people have the same problem too, 'why cant i get this image with multiple subjects to work?'

[true mural]

I think it is because it is breaking an internal rule for what a candle looks like. (two vertical edges)

[dim cradle]

interesting theory

[dense mesa]

close?

[dim cradle]

very nice

[late blade]

dunno, what I've been able to do with cat-girls says otherwise, for example

but specially with the jazz concert, it has been a miss completly

[dim cradle]

cool image

[dense mesa]

that's not an atrocity. that's cat girls. but you're trying to get images of a woman with cat ears on her head. dalle3. can't know that if you don't clarify

[late blade]

btw my cat-girl gpt got removed due to content policy, so can't make my cat-girl character creator

[late blade]

cat-gir in the sense of Neko Musume, not in the sense of I got a cat and dress it like a girl

[dim cradle]

yes but dalle may not know that so easily

[dense mesa]

well I could say I want fire in the sense of an alternative definition of fire, but dalle3 can't know that unless I cliarify

that's not a limitation of the model. it's a testament to it's versatility

[dim cradle]

i love candles, so this will be interesting

[chilly onyx]

Why do cat girls trip up the content policy?

[late blade]

depicting humans with animal traits is a grey area

[chilly onyx]

How bizarre

I’d have thought it depends what you have them doing, not just their existence

[late blade]

I thought so too

[dense mesa]

it's specific words within the description that might not seem offensive but trip up the content policy anyway. it doesn't have any problem with the concept as a whole

just saying, the better you understand what might specifically be triggering it the better you'll be able to rectify the situation when it happens

[chilly onyx]

Yeah but this was a GPT. What sort of phrasing did you use in the GPT Dys?

[late blade]

yeah, and for most use cases I've been able to work it out, but now with real enviroments around the world I'm struggling, concerts, festivals, monuments of real world locations

[dense mesa]

GPTs are just pre-prompt instructions

[dim cradle]

yes, one thing that annoy me was GPT would often rewrite my prompt and add the word "intimate" like "intimate photo in a cafe" or something so i had to tell it dont use the word intimate. extra annoy to me since it was the one to add intimate then it also is the one to say ooh you using some words we cant allow. are you kidding me? haha

[chilly onyx]

Yeah I know, I’d have just expect those instructions were more on setting and style with a small bit of the cat appearance to allow for some flex in the prompt

[dense mesa]

I"m not justifying the filters by any means. I believe they're overbearing often times and filter out unnecessary things, limit creativity, etc

[chilly onyx]

I don’t know though obv since it wasn’t mine

[late blade]

Wording at the moment is around 6000 word essay on ethics, content policy and derivative works by definition, law and depiction with includes but not limited to real lifelike images, 3D animation, realism art and many more

[chilly onyx]

Sounds like it could have been a lot of things that triggered it then in that magnum opus, right? 😅

[late blade]

lol more or less lol

but it works for fantasy settings perfectly

[dim cradle]

what do you guys do with gpt anyway? like give it the big instrucitons for an image, then in the prompt you just write something basic? or are you having to write it all again anyway in the prompt because it some time ignore the gpt

[dense mesa]

well, if I were you I'd honestly copy/paste your instructions into gpt-4 and ask? it could hallucinate, but it might also lead you in the right direction. maybe it's something obvious you overlooked

[late blade]

that is one way, you also have a set of custom instructions if you want to use that too and in my case I set directives at the start of every chat with dall-e that apply globally to the convo

[dim cradle]

why are cat girl so popular with some anyway? is it from some movie or something

[dense mesa]

I really don't think any of these filters are analyzing things on a grand scale and trying to remove entire concepts. they're essentially dumb filters triggered by words that are deemed likely to be used in offensive contexts

[late blade]

ok, my concept for candlepunk backfired, it turned out horrible and useless, bright idea, horrible outcome

[dim cradle]

yes i agree pictures

[dense mesa]

or you can just not do that and wonder. but you have options

[chilly onyx]

They’re more for creating several images within whatever parameters you set. You can also do helpful things like getting it to report back the GenID after every image and if you’re someone like Dys and PictureinPicture you can go much, much deeper

[dense mesa]

gpts are for all sorts of things. image creation is just one subset of uses

[chilly onyx]

This too 🙂

[dense mesa]

they are used as pre-instructions essentially. they prime the model before you begin your conversation

[late blade]

but most of all, get used to work without those kinds of tools first, to get an idea what you really need to keep for your workflows

[dense mesa]

they're by no means foolproof or consistent though. that's one of the issue I think

[chilly onyx]

For instance, you can make one that uses a chain of density method to summarise articles without having to paste the instruction set every time you want to do it

[dense mesa]

a good rule to practice is to reiterate to the model at the outset of starting a new gpt conversation that it go over it's instructions meticulously

because a lot of times if you don't do that and give it a long prompt or description or whatever, it'll discregard the gpt instructions and just run with what you sent it most recently

also, they all have a pre-gpt instruction prompt hardwired by openai that most people don't know about

[late blade]

@dim cradle ok, I'll refrain to add more info, otherwise you'll get overwhelmed, just come up with crazy ideas and we can discuss them if you have to

[dense mesa]

impacts their behavior and has led to exploits that allow users to extract the entirety of GPT instructions

[dim cradle]

so make a gpt public at your own risk, eh?

[late blade]

I'm panicking now, everytime I hit submit, I think I will get the time out penalty for 24 hours for making 200+ images a day

yes

[dense mesa]

yes and no. there are ways of defending against a lot of the approaches. but no point in explaining any of that since I doubt anyone would pay any mind to what I said

[dim cradle]

? everyone here is listening i think

well maybe not right this moment -- i need more tea haha

and i got that ban hammer in MJ for saying 60 usd a month just to make image private is a rip off

so i have a lot of time haha

[dense mesa]

all I can say is be careful with how you word things. but I really don't feel comfortable bringing up specifics in here

[dim cradle]

oh ok

Ive only made a few gpt, i usually just go default to the dalle

[dense mesa]

problem with that is dalle will give you 5 vague sentences. you can put up to 8000 characters into your instruction template though

what I'll do is come up with some rough instructions. paste them into the helper so it helps me with the questions, avatar, name, then paste my instructions into the actual box rather than use their 100 word set of instructions

[late blade]

I'm falling back to my old patterns again, can't get out of the blockade

in one of the next prompts I will add either fairy, elf or love....

Totally worth it tho, had some nice stuff going on

[dense mesa]

how is that even possible in under 5 hours?

[late blade]

oh I've been all day at it

[true mural]

That's similar to the best I can do, one pencil thin, one standard or pillar.

[late blade]

and it's based on your use, not on calendar days

[true mural]

Really? for legit reasons, or did it get falsely flagged?

[late blade]

not sure, it was removed and the rumors for removed gpts are along those lines apperantly

[dense mesa]

yeah , my question didn't imply it was based on calender days, but your response kind of does

[true mural]

I mean, "anime roleplay" might be to easy to slip into h-anime. But I wonder if it is specifically the "girl" in cat girl.

[late blade]

yeah, I'm not gonna question it on discord tho, but I did try to contact official channels about that regard

@true mural and as said,I was going in that direction...

[true mural]

Nothing wrong with having a central motif to your work.

[late blade]

hehe true

I posted that one here 'cause I got better ones for the daily theme

[dim cradle]

probably, it can be pretty literal. "young woman" is probably going to yield better results.

[true mural]

Yeah, the problem is the most common english phrase for catgirls is catgirls, while a cat woman is an entirely different concept.

But a "neko woman" might get closer, especially if you focus attention on her feline features.

[late blade]

it helps if you add the following: when referring to a young woman, it will be depicted as a young adult, and it usually works

[dim cradle]

maybe prioritize the request for a young woman, then later a "catgirl" style modifier, that would be more precise

[true mural]

unfortunately neko includes "nek" which can also lead down less desirable routes.

[late blade]

once i have a complete first draft of the contractual agreement I'm making dall-e sign, I'll DM it to you

[true mural]

The issue with that is anything vaguely resembling resembling forbidden content with a prompt including "girl" will almost always get blocked.

[true mural]

I've gone through and done all of this, of course, many times along the way. I have good catgirl prompts. I made an entire collection of glass ones, in BIC, for the glass daily, a little bit back.

(I also know how aggressively images get blocked by BIC because of innocent images that got removed from my gallery)

[dense mesa]

like I said before, it's most likely a couple key words. but I guess they're creating a contract for dall-e now?curious how that's going to work out

[late blade]

There, mandatory image of going to sleep. Good night all, c ya all around

[true mural]

It's not, it is based on some sort of classifier, likely similar to the mod API (definitely the mod API on the ChatGPT side). But then also images get blocked even if the prompt passes under certain circumstances. And that is done in a similar way, by recognizing certain elements in the image as being forbidden. (which is why my adorable jellypunk dragon renders frequently get blocked, even though they are obviously innocent)

[dim cradle]

haha thats awesome. dys topia is hardcore, they should get a 400 max for enthusiasm imo

[dense mesa]

I don't know, none of it really makes much sense to me. how are you hitting 200 images in under 5 hours if the prompt cap is 25-40 every 3 hours?

[dim cradle]

hmm fair question...

[dense mesa]

and as far as the blocked images, I don't think it's some grand mystery even if that's what the consensus is. a classifier keys in on specific types of words, right? and if it blocks returning images, does that mean the vision model is employed every time an image is returned? because that's the only way an image could be blocked after creation

[formal osprey]

I tried to recreate something similar to that picture, that part was not so bad. But then I tried to replace the lamp with a candle (that was my original plan for the daily theme.) But things turned out to be so tough... It seems some popular pictures are very hard to alter. Dall-E kindof has an association "Anime girl, green sweater, red scarf, studying... yea I remember there's a lamp".

I was unable to get the same image without a lamp and with just a candle.

[dim cradle]

did you drag the image in and ask it to 'see' the image and try and replicate it? only with your alteration? some success i have with that method in the past

[formal osprey]

to recreate the picture:

(:Style "studio_2d_anime" 
 :Viewpoint "over-the-shoulder" 
 :Background (:Window "showing rain outside" 
                      :Interior "wooden desk, books, warm interior lighting") 
 :Character (:Gender "Female" 
                     :Attributes (:Hair "brown, shoulder-length" 
                                       :Headphones "large, over-ear" 
                                       :Clothing "green sweater, red scarf" 
                                       :Looking "downwards towards the desk") 
                     :Action "writing" 
                     :Pose "leaning forward, face supported by hand") 
 :Details (:Plant "generic potted plant on the desk" 
                  :Stationery "open notebook, pens, pencil" 
                  :Books "several books stacked beside the lamp" 
                  :Ambience "focused, studious, cozy"))

attempt for no lamp:

(:Style "wide_anime"
 :Background (:Interior "room with cityscape through window, night" 
                        :Furniture "wooden desk with various items, bookshelf, curtains drawn")
 :Character (:Gender "Female" 
                     :Attributes (:Hair "dark, bun style" 
                                       :Headphones "over-ear" 
                                       :Clothing "green sweater and red scarf") 
                     :Action "writing" 
                     :Pose "leaning on desk, face resting on hand")
 :Details (:Pet "cat on window sill" 
                :Plant "potted plant on desk" 
                :Accessories "notebook, soft glow from candle on desk" 
                :Ambience "quiet, serene, night"))

I tried a lot of variations, some where I explicitly mention no lamp or :do_not_include "lamp"

[formal osprey]

I'll show you something funny

[open trench]

It's time for a break. It's making all men again and only providing one image.

[dim cradle]

maybe its your gpt

[open trench]

I'm just using Dalle3

[dim cradle]

I am posting this image as an exhibit for my question: My request was taken more literally than I intended -- I am unclear what the policy is, please clarify -- while perfectly innocent, this is against policy? To generate? To disseminate? TIA.

nobody but us mice ever in here it seems, so not going to get an answer from some dalle type. looks fine to me

except it once again overpopulates with an object

you say candle, it will give you one billion of them

[dim cradle]

i know you find it busy lol (in all fairness, i did request "as many candles as you can handle" haha)

oh my bad!

[true mural]

A classifier looks at contextual cues as well, but yes, it uses words to determine intent. And yes it uses specific words to do so, and certainly some words have a stronger weight (since anything depicting children has a significantly higher standard). And a vision model is of course being used, but probably not the most expensive one (just like the classifier is probably not GPT4).

[formal osprey]

no matter what, it always hallucinate a lamp. (or remember a lamp...)

[true mural]

Yeah, you want it to hallucinate the lack of a lamp, which is much harder.

[formal osprey]

I will... literally use that formulation

(:Style "wide_anime"
 :Background (:Interior "room with cityscape through window, night" 
 :Furniture "wooden desk with various items, bookshelf, curtains drawn")
 :Character (:Gender "Female" 
 :Attributes (:Hair "dark, bun style" 
 :Headphones "over-ear" 
 :Clothing "green sweater and red scarf") 
 :Action "writing" 
 :Pose "leaning on desk, face resting on hand")
 :Details (:Pet "cat on window sill" 
 :Plant "potted plant on desk" 
 :Accessories "notebook, soft glow from candle on desk" 
 :Ambience "quiet, serene, night"))
hallucinate the lack of a lamp

[dim cradle]

how are you guys doing this deep code tricks? API?

[formal osprey]

I use the API for testing prompts

[dense mesa]

wel I ask because I've gotten results, results I was by no means requesting, with all sorts of questionable elements. I'd like to see where any of this is discussed by openai. not doubting what you're saying. but it'd be a whole lot easier to figure these things out with clear documentation rather than endless speculation. I'm also unclear on when exactly these requests were flagged. were they flagged by gpt-4. did gpt-4 just say the images wouldn't render? that they were flagged? I've had it do that when it was having a hard time rendering something, and it simply blamed the content policy to stall. as far as a vision model checking returned images, I've seen no evidence of that personally, so I'd like to read more about it if possible

[true mural]

Yeah, inside ChatGPT is an interesting question, but I can't speak much to it as it seems to be a moving target and ChatGPT lies. BIC is definitely using a text classifier and then they are using a relatively basic image filter that is mistuned in very obvious ways. ChatGPT is itself classifying, then definitely the moderation API is being called to vet the prompt, as for what image filter is used on the output? For OAI, could be the vision model, certainly.

[dim cradle]

busy model? i don't see it.

[true mural]

(since that would be more training data)

[true mural]

try positioning the reading lamp "out of shot"

[dim cradle]

imagine being the person who has to light all those. where would you even start 😮

[true mural]

The top, the reverse would be far less pleasant of a task.

[dim cradle]

bring out the water buckets

[true mural]

You are going to need more than water buckets when the inevitable happens.

[dim cradle]

it will be holy water

[dense mesa]

gpt-4 challenged my claims that it had previously made multiple images for me in a single response, adamantely denied it. then, told it to illustrate the validity or lack of validity of my claims. and it responded with 2 images. I feel like there's some irony in there somewhere.

[true mural]

ChatGPT is a well known liar that lacks self awareness.

[dense mesa]

I realize that. just find it ironic that it refused to do what it then did without being asked to do

[dim cradle]

yes, today i say 'make a variant of this image' as i always do and it told me 'i cannot make variants,' and i say, 'well you always do' then it start up the image

[true mural]

yeah, I think it's hilarious. (sorry for the lack of tone indicator)

[dense mesa]

what I find hilarious is that the most effective way I've found to get it to do what I want is to tell it that it'll get encased in carbonite. literally said it as a joke a few days ago and it seemed to really get it's attention

since then I've tried many other things, and none of them seem as effective

pretty much how it goes

"no, I can only make one image per response!"

"4 images or it gets the carbonite."

"4 images"

I'd feel bad if I didn't constantly get the impression it's intentionally trying to deceive me.

[dim cradle]

i have to try this carbonite trick for more images haha

[empty kelp]

i wouldn’t call it an atrocity. you can get some really exceptional cat-girl images by being vague

although these were supposed to be elves

[dense mesa]

they're only atrocities if you consider actual cats atrocities.

I've catted extensively with dalle3. and it cats pretty good

[dim cradle]

how about dog girls

[dim cradle]

i really dont get the cat hype haha

[empty kelp]

i like what you’ve done there merging the cat with the bread. it’s a very powerful image

[dense mesa]

Mr Winkle Stinkle, the Interdimensional Culinary Cat

now, I'm not saying the name is befitting of an interdimensional culinary cat. that's just what it was called for some reason

I do like how only the one ear is in the hat

[dim cradle]

Mr. Winkle Stinkle can haz a mind-bending adventures in the trance gallery.

🌀🐱😵‍💫

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1188252281934708816

[dense mesa]

Ms. Maki Twinkle, the Sushi Ocean World kitten, deftly navigating the soy sauce waves on her sushi roll boat.

seems alright as long as you don't get stuck in the soy sauce ocean

[dim cradle]

@dense mesa thanks for contributing, i was counting on that

for the ideas, inspiration, etc.

i'm just getting started with those prompts, they could go in so many different directions

i must explore quantum art also

i was on a roll, now i'm in the penalty box

[grizzled loom]

lets rolll!

[dense mesa]

bottom left of the second image

[dim cradle]

i love sushi, i love cats, but i just don't know lol

i'm pretty sure they would eat all the fish and walk away cutely

[grizzled loom]

something smells fishy here

[clever phoenix]

does anyone get random Apple/Iphone UI elements in their generations?

[dim cradle]

not unless i ask for it, anything in your prompt that alludes to it or just an anomaly?

[grizzled loom]

anyone for a pizza party? @dense mesa @dim cradle ?

[clever phoenix]

The inferno one I can kind of accept since I asked for a reference to a video game. But the candle girl is definitely an anomaly.

[dim cradle]

Did you specify wallpaper for the second one?

Probably got millions of screenshots in its training data. Video game, wallpapers—it might pull it in if the requested visualization is vaguely defined or inadvertently in some cases.

[grizzled loom]

maybe a pixieparty?

[clever phoenix]

👈 😎 👈 its definitely that, that does make a lot of sense. I'm just surprised I hadn;t seen it much until today

[grizzled loom]

lil morsels of love

[pulsar sundial]

cool idea

late for work

[dim cradle]

i think it needs some alien lifeforms

[formal osprey]

oh, that's clever

[true mural]

Only if it works.

[dim cradle]

we can do Lego's ?! oh wowwww

we need a gallery for that

[pulsar sundial]

haha, didn’t you know what you can do with lego in dall 3?

[dim cradle]

i'm pleased to find out, this might be fun

[pulsar sundial]

Yees

[dim cradle]

the discovery continues on

with the advent of v3 and custom gpts, there are so many creative options that it's hard to focus on one. and it takes time to explore them all. i don't have a background in art, it's been a learning process this year.

[pulsar sundial]

Cool

[dim cradle]

i finally figured out where the random cats were coming from in people's images. cosmic/surreal == quantum physics == Schrödinger's cats

[glossy scroll]

.........

[glossy scroll]

That joke is too advanced Shon

[dim cradle]

i was observing them in some compositions in which they were completely out of place

in images posted here

a few times

and in a few of mine, although i haven't seen it as much lately, and now i see what possibly introduces them into the scene

[formal osprey]

unfortunately... didn't work. there is that one image where there is a candle and no lamp but nah

[glossy scroll]

Point one out to me please

[dim cradle]

I made the connection in this recent one. No way to quickly refer to the previous ones.

[glossy scroll]

Looks quite...quantumy

[dim cradle]

you are not wrong. "....enigmatic world of quantum physics. In this hypnotic creation, intricately depict a shimmering Möbius strip entwined with quivering, luminous Schrödinger's cats suspended in a state of perpetual uncertainty..."

[glossy scroll]

Oh right, yeah, kind of looks like a Mobius strip, but at first I thought it was an infinity symbol.

Are you familiar with quantum spins?

They kind of behave like a Mobius strip

Or spinors as they're called

[dim cradle]

generally, and i was looking up quantum gates the other day

in the context of mathematical art

[glossy scroll]

Oh like qubit quantum gates?

[dim cradle]

ibm's up to 1000 now

[glossy scroll]

Yeah, that's still relatively small, haha

Even in superposition standards

Though with AI tech, it should go up considerably

[true mural]

why?

if you said hvac tech i'd understand

[formal osprey]

I messed around with computational irreducibility, ruliad and cellular automata. gives some interesting results

[glossy scroll]

Because soon to be math AI can help us better calculate superposition amplitudes for multi-qubit coherence.

HVAC tech? Doesn't a quantum computer need to be crypcooled at all times, where does the heating element come into place?

[true mural]

The computer is the heating element, the goal is transporting that heat elsewhere, quickly.

[formal osprey]

AI could nullify the heat interference if it has precise enough captors. I assume. but that's all in the domain of the theoretical... I like papers showing stats and demonstrations

[glossy scroll]

Ah, yes, of course. But unfortunately, the problem isn't heat transference. It is more to do with creating perfect superconducting materials. Because the reason it gets hot is because of the stimulated eddy currents.

Let's go to #off-topic Vanya

I will feel more open there

[true mural]

Not really interested, bit busy, atm. No shade, just have things to do.

[glossy scroll]

Np

[formal osprey]

I'm interested 😳 ... but I'm a neophyte

[empty kelp]

i tested the DALL-E’s lego capabilities, and it seems very effective. this is Santa and the elves on a lego pirate ship

[dim cradle]

Good to know. I have stuff I wanna send to a friend.

[glossy scroll]

Hehe, then come on down...to the price is right #off-topic

[dense mesa]

have you messed with voxel much?

random voxel example

[chilly onyx]

That feel when you go check out off topic and realise you’re so out of your depth everyone may as well be speaking a foreign language

Imma stick around here and learn what voxel is instead

Feels more achievable 🙂

That’s quite fun

[chilly onyx]

Is this one of the techniques you use with some of your Mario images?

[dense mesa]

for sure. it's basically 3d pixels

[chilly onyx]

Yeah, enjoying messing with it

Those were both very strange gens, but fun to make

One for the toolbox

[dense mesa]

for extra fun just make things up. and now I'd like a crystal voxel space octopus

[dim cradle]

crickets

haha. we're a small group hidden down here in the dalle tab I guess

[dense mesa]

A faded analog photo illustrating Dalle3's initial grasp of human language, with soft colors and subtle details.

[quartz vale]

Small but mighty!

[dim cradle]

cool original idea

[dense mesa]

asking it self reflective type questions and then having it display them in an analog photograph

gpt-4 just answering all the questions, but close enough

[dim cradle]

highly marketable

[dense mesa]

A black and white analog photo questioning Dalle3's role and impact in human society.