codex-discussions

[hard drum]

your own hatred is your fuel. if it replenishes, so do you

gotta keep the fuel tank full

[indigo robin]

True True

[solid lake]

Hey don’t hate

No use hating

[indigo robin]

Hate is good for cholesterol

[hard drum]

hate is also good to keep sensitive people away from you

gives you more room for freedom

[solid lake]

High cholesterol bad for you btw

Idk where this conversation going too btw

Good day

[hard drum]

Good day

[indigo robin]

straight up lol

[plush harbor]

that does not match "using it every day all day on 5.4 maximum"

[indigo robin]

i took a mini break the last 2 weeks

i was practicing my music theroy

[hard drum]

"mini break"
"MINI"

2 weeks

[indigo robin]

lmfaoooo

[hard drum]

that's not 'mini'

[indigo robin]

true true

i gotta lock back in

[solid lake]

Hey I didn’t hit limit

Haven’t used it either

[indigo robin]

lmfaooo

i was in usage limit bliss

then it came all crashing down

[plush harbor]

this is a mini break

I've been doing content not code the last two days

[indigo robin]

i mainly use it for passion projects and art

but i like to use computational art because i like paramaters

[solid lake]

What kind of projects

[plush harbor]

just curious if you are talking chatgpt or codex here, they both have apps

[solid lake]

Like blender stuff?

[indigo robin]

codex

yes

blender

mainly

[solid lake]

I’m trying to use omniverse

[indigo robin]

audio units aka plugins

now im making a guitar theroy application

[solid lake]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/omniverse/

[indigo robin]

as i learned to play guitar 2 years ago ive learned alot of theroy and now i want to help other people

[plush harbor]

I burned all my to-do lists since I can't work on my main project, ran out of stuff to do and had to start something new

[indigo robin]

lol hell yea

ive also been a graphic designer for 12 years now and i like to remake things more beautiful and elegantly

peoples ui skills are du du

having an eye for art really can take you far in life lol

[solid lake]

HeY mY stREAmlIt apP iS juSt fInE

[indigo robin]

streamlit ?

[solid lake]

Seems to be the go to for whatever model I mention web app to

[indigo robin]

uncleruckus boutta say something crazy lol

[indigo thunder]

hey everyone, i'm new here but i did want to advertise this ai app i built in case some of you are interested. i'm not selling some ip finder, or anything of a scam. If you're interested, dm me and ill let you know the details and proof of my app. Thanks

[indigo robin]

lmfaoooooooooooooo

[plush harbor]

what are this week's lotto numbers?

[indigo robin]

🎯

[solid lake]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1407544294532845730

[solid lake]

69

[indigo thunder]

oh ok thanks

[solid lake]

67

42

[plush harbor]

takes notes

[solid lake]

And I think 61

[indigo thunder]

in case any of you are interested though, please let me know

[indigo robin]

ill just remake your app

and open source it

[indigo thunder]

okay, hope that leads somewhere fun

[indigo robin]

its the journey thats fun the finish line is the saddest part

my next journey is learning how to draw

once i master hand drawn art ill have attined the infinity gauntlet

SSJ5

ive almost mastred music theroy

[solid lake]

Make osu map

[indigo thunder]

alright, hope you have a good day and thanks for your time

[indigo robin]

no problem ill be back soon with some more complaintes enjoy boutta goto a resturant im starving

[indigo thunder]

okay see you!

[tropic karma]

terminal is tweaked out on windows

[tired breach]

hey guys i got chatgpt plus subscription for cheap rates the orignal price 70 percent off on actual price with mm middleman accepted fully truested legally buyed accounts on your mail i will send or you have outlook hotmail acoounts with chatgpt plus on it also 30 days full gurentee dms know ❤️ if you guys dont believe i will go first and will give you subcription

[fiery canopy]

Truest me bro

[tired breach]

if nybody need i will give first

then pay me np

[tropic karma]

I've tried out medium for 5.5, turns out xhigh is actually more useful for me. I know everyone is like xhigh is too much, it overthinks stuff. And actually, for 5.4, I agreed. But 5.5 on anything less than xhigh just does too much dumb bs. It seems it lost the common sense of 5.4 even though it might be more capable. So, I use xhigh to get some of that back and it turns out decent.

[solid lake]

Below xhigh doesn’t feel same

😔

[tired breach]

v

hey guys i got chatgpt plus subscription for cheap rates the orignal price 70 percent off on actual price with mm middleman accepted fully truested legally buyed accounts on your mail i will send or you have outlook hotmail acoounts with chatgpt plus on it also 30 days full gurentee dms know ❤️

[quick thorn]

bro I’m creating something so cracked

[boreal holly]

good old fashion skill issue 😩

[inland sonnet]

Sounds like cause i don't want the think let the model think for me

sounds prompt issue

😄

[quick thorn]

holy pretentious

[inland sonnet]

yes

[silver smelt]

they lowkey kinda just fked us when they did the Usage reset because the time when it resets also has reset a week from now, my weekly was set to reset in 2 days and i had like 50% usage left before it reset I was gonna grind and use it all the next 2 days but now it reset I'm already at 70% and I gotta wait a whole week

[tropic karma]

yeah. though imo 5.4 was easier to prompt

[full pilot]

@bright swift I did what you advised and I saw a decent improvement, it now did run for 10-14 minutes the 3 times I could get it to run. so that's great
But it didn't do what I asked it to - gave it 4 goals to reach, it did 3. which is better than yesterdays one

[cedar skiff]

are you using the goal tool?

[white bane]

it's funny how like the codex /hatch-pet skill is like just randomly an insanely high quality thing

[solid lake]

What does it do

[potent garden]

Ngl im working on this project But ofc im running into debugging problems with lovable
Should i invest on codex or claude pro For them to debug/explain whats actually being done
Or is this unnecessary

[velvet wren]

Lovable is just an expensive gimmick. If you want to do real work set up your own server and use Codex to help you write code

[potent garden]

Wdym im fairly new to vibe coding

And to all of this and im interested on learning how to read python in the process

[velvet wren]

how much are you paying to use Lovable?

[potent garden]

Im using the free version😭

I would love some guidance in regards to this

[placid lantern]

anyone else having issues ?

on plus plan

[velvet wren]

check your Internet connection

[placid lantern]

did allot

restart

[solid lake]

Switch to http

[placid lantern]

it took my 20% usage and didnt even finish anything

rip

[covert jolt]

is there any way to get more codex tokens for free, like enabling data sharing or something?

[steep pebble]

Offering your infomation for codex tokens is crazy ngl

[young locust]

its not. if someone works on open source or just making a little tool it does not matter if codex stuff is shared

[oak trellis]

gud day .. how is it going !?

[plush harbor]

would be nice if this was the right timezone. I did not use codex at all on the 17th. Not a whit. But that's popped up because I did a small thing on the morning of the 18th ... why so hard to align stats days with the user

chucked that in as a bug/suggestion because why not

the api stats pages are abysmal too. I think openai spends all its time in the backend and forgets about UX

[lucid mason]

Today I tested having a local Qwen3.6 27B instance check Codex 5.5 High's diagnosis of an error and vice versa. The (partial) summary of that interaction from Codex' side:

- Qwen found the failing surface and proved the cold-start fallback problem.
- I reframed the mechanism as split identity plus read-poisons-write.
- Qwen corrected my over-broad monitor-anchor concern by pinning it to the SDR invariant.
- I pushed the plan back toward the smallest repo-consistent patch: no unused future parameter, and warm `sdrMonitorBrightnessPercent` after the forced primary read.```

From Qwen's side:
```I could locate the error, trace the code paths, and identify the general fix direction independently. Codex contributed the structural insight (split cache key identity as root cause), the read-poisons-write chain, and disciplined the fix to be minimal (avoid tray-target query entirely in SDR, no unused parameters). The SDR-primary invariant I verified was useful for confirming the fix is safe but didn't change the overall approach.```

[wet pier]

I think codex 5.5 design and output pretty bad change my mind

[plush harbor]

its defaults are pretty ordinary yeah, you gotta give it something to work with

[cedar skiff]

Youre holding it wrong.
I can get it to copy any web site or design almost exactly with one pass.

[wet pier]

Okey, show good Isuzu d-max XTC page och carpage with placeholders and prices and Options

[cedar skiff]

this one ? https://www.isuzuute.com.au/d-max/range

[chrome raven]

5.5 did this?

[cedar skiff]

no that is a hosted website haha, im asking if that is the one he wanted the design cloned on

I just clone taht

it'll do

It'll copy that one easy

With 5.5 it can copy those kinds of designs without much hassle

[plush harbor]

I said you gotta give it something to work with, Eric here is busy being more specific how you do that

[chrome raven]

nicee

[brisk magnet]

Hey 🙂 Just curious, what are you specs to run Qwen3.6 27B locally ?

[cedar skiff]

it got blocked by permissions while i was afk just allowed it

[oak trellis]

10% =1% ... 5.3 codex xhigh ... was 15% - 1% i think last week

[oak trellis]

same

[cedar skiff]

talking about my website design clone

fI had to get it working for a project i am working on, have to have it build from a generated image

[plush harbor]

I think its pretty great that you're proving a point here

[cedar skiff]

i already did one to show andrew yesterday but you cant tell some ppl

[plush harbor]

I did the first pass on my game site reskin with a thing gemini generated just to get it mostly right, and most recent site from a drawing on paper which is why codex got to choose the colours. I used lead pencils ... shame on me

my main hobby site though, I'd done one section of the site in new markup so I told it to get the markup/classes etc from the live site. It got a few things wrong because while it had the wrappers all correct, that part of the site had different content and it got the order of it wrong. Because it had to guess

[cedar skiff]

this is the clone first pass

[plush harbor]

was that made from an image reference or html saved copy reference?

[cedar skiff]

i took a screen shot and gave it the link so it could pull the assets.
Ill change it to be a gardening site now

this is the prompt for the change

uh i just noticed the voice miss heard me

When i do it from a generated image i get image gen to make the assets, that is still a little wonky though. Got a few wrinkles to iron out

[wet pier]

How did promt it? Photos looks okey, not super appealing. Need more landing page Big slides and almost display/ showcase site. Trying to do wizard for this, https://www.isuzusverige.se/modeller/double-cab/ , https://www.isuzusverige.se/tillbehor/double-cab/ , https://www.kihlstroms.se/v3/isuzu-stockholm-2025/

[plush harbor]

I still need to go find some references for what I actually want for the new site. Layout is right, style is still curved beige cards with shadows which is definitely not what I want but I don't know what I want which is the actual problem here

[cedar skiff]

nah im all g, i burnt enough tokens.

here is the prompt i used:

[wet pier]

Think all gtp 5.5 front end is pretty as. Cool thanks I will try it

[cedar skiff]

I have it changing the website to a gardening site atm ill show you that once its done

[plush harbor]

its defaults are really ordinary, I've had it make a few things by itself and promptly gone ... ehhh. No no no lets unbeige that

I've got a small app that's internal I've left beige cos there's a colour field within the app and it being beige cards is fine

[cedar skiff]

the vision is really good now

[lucid mason]

4090, 24 GB VRAM. Using KV Cache Q8_0 instead of the default F16.

[plush harbor]

chatgpt's thoughts on this

[wet pier]

Think is just not thinking

[plush harbor]

it does not make up designs for you

[brisk magnet]

Nice ok thanks 😄

[lucid mason]

128K context window.

[torpid trout]

It actually can is as fairly good at it too, within reason

For example, prompt it to create 5 absolutely distinct mock-ups in html for a website (give it a „topic“ of the website)

When 5.5 came out I shared some results of this here, it made fairly impressive stuff for having zero „references“, like it was really creative.

But for proper mock-up stitch by goggle is really really good

[plush harbor]

gemini pointed me at land-book and I'm trawling that picking out ones that seem like the right vibe

[pale jay]

Did they update codex on windows yet?

For mobile connectivity

[wicked briar]

just get a mac

windows for gaming

mac for work

[torpid trout]

Nice site indeed, thanks for sharing that

[plush harbor]

I've worked alongside designers for years but I am not a designer. So my approach is pretty much ... go stare at a bunch of other people's website designs for a while, think about them while in the shower for a week or so, then try and get the image lingering in brain out via css in a live browser. Its not very efficient

[shy inlet]

shower throughts are effective though

[plush harbor]

they really are

[shy inlet]

i sat an exam last week and couldnt figure out one of the answers

i foud it in the shower

efficiency 110%

[pale jay]

I will later this year

[plush harbor]

Chatgpt defines shower thoughts as "high-bandwidth systems architecture emerging from semi-random associative processing while technically meant to be washing"

[shy inlet]

uh

english please

[plush harbor]

my chatgpt is set to weird, codex is the sensible one

I presume having been staring at other people's websites all evening I'm going to wake up with a design tomorrow

[orchid echo]

i used up 40% weekly on my Pro sub already 🥲

[velvet wren]

what were you doing or building?

[orchid echo]

iOS development

[spice kindle]

what app

[orchid echo]

my private apps 🙂

[spice kindle]

like what kind of app u making

[orchid echo]

several different apps not just one. all to enhance daily life workflows

[bright swift]

🙁

wen reset

[orchid echo]

🥲

[plush harbor]

👀 I have not been doing much with codex the last couple days

[plucky pond]

Is codex mobile not working now?

[orchid echo]

can i have ur subscription 🙂

😂

[plush harbor]

its just plus ... all I've done the last couple days was fix a SEO issue that google flagged

[orchid echo]

ah lol

[plucky pond]

seems like app from my mac give me qr with broken url to connect my android device - https://com.openai.chat//codex/open

[orchid echo]

Do any of yall prompt like this?

First ask if a plan is necessary and ask the recommended model for the best next step

[bright swift]

/goal implement goal.md where goal.md is a 2-5k line file 😅

i got too lazy and now its just make goal which launches a tmux codex on a remote dev server with the goal prefilled

next step is start up a fresh env per goal

[bright swift]

i get my plans/goal prompts from gpt 5.5 pro extended thinking in chatgpt

just brute force everything, yolo

[orchid echo]

but chatgpt doesnt have context of the codebase

[bright swift]

oh boy i'm about to blow your mind

git archive --format=tar.gz --prefix myproject/ ... HEAD and upload that to chatgpt and watch the magic 🙂

[orchid echo]

oh interesting..

[bright swift]

yes very.. you can upload 1m LOC and it will unpack it and chew through 😄

[olive tangle]

how will it manage context?

[bright swift]

not sure how autocompact works in chatgpt but pro has 1m context

i have some extremely long planning sessions where i uploaded new version of the repo to have it review after prompts it created are done multiple times etc

[olive tangle]

never running out of token ?

[bright swift]

not yet. just the browser tab gets laggy because of huge conversation history, its magic

[worthy furnace]

I don't even have Codex in the app

Why

[bright swift]

i gets a bit confused after you upload multiple versions of the archive so i tell it to clean up old versions first, doesnt always work on first try

also new uploads need different file name or it doesnt work, so i just add timestamp

[worthy furnace]

In the mobile app wheres codex

[orchid echo]

Does switching models/effort level reduce code quality due to cache miss issue?

[bright swift]

probably not code quality, but it causes more usage consumption to write the new cache

for model, not sure about reasoning

[orchid echo]

ah..

so it would be non-optimal to use gpt-5.5 xhigh for creating a file plan then switching to gpt-5.3-codex to execute it? I should just execute it with gpt-5.5 medium or something?

[trim rapids]

it might even be more than 1m, I have a skill I use when I upload stuff for pro to do things with that tells it to keep strict track of its time, token, and tool call budget so it has enough left to archive the current worktree at the end of its turn to produce a continuation file (to work around the ephemeral nature of the workspaces with pro) and when I use the skill the reasoning output sometimes gives a number of tokens remaining

and it usually says 1.3m

[bright swift]

i would really recommend to uplaod your repo to chatgpt 5.5 pro extended, tell it what you want to do, and then have it create a plan for codex. tell it to research how codex goal mode works and read up on gpt 5.5 prompt guidance. the prompts/plans it creates are very good. and it doesnt use your codex usage!

or if you want to use 5.3-codex, change that for the prompt guidance research

[trim rapids]

pro is indeed very good at planning

[orchid echo]

will definitely have to try that out

[trim rapids]

some of my custom tooling is a plan system that uses .json objects instead of markdown bs and I have a prepackaged archive of instructions + example plan + schema + linter script that I use to get pro to do planning, and then I import the .json pro spits out back into the local tooling

[bright swift]

it even has an apply_patch tool.. you could have pro write patches for you. it also has node and npm installed...

[trim rapids]

pro also has a gigantic pip cache for python available

[bright swift]

working on sth similar right now because i'm getting tired of copy/pasting the md files haha

[orchid echo]

ive been working in the same exact codex chat for weeks, just having auto-compact do its job, while switching models many, many times. how bad is this workflow lol

[trim rapids]

depends on what you're doing

[orchid echo]

yea tru i guess

[unique spade]

it's not bad

if you want to understand better look into how context is created for each turn and what happens during compaction

[trim rapids]

if you keep in mind that absolutely none of the session from before the compaction point will ever be available to the agent post-compaction unless the compaction process thought it was important enough to save, and none of your tasks rely on any of that information, there isn't really a problem

eventually the local program's UI will slow down but that's about it

[unique spade]

the user messages are still available if i remember well, but compaction itself is a universe in itself

for example i did replace remote compaction with my resident model doing compaction on my pre-defined json schema and it's much better for me

[trim rapids]

I guess it's a question of in what way are they available, because weeks on the same session will likely result in enough user messages that the whole context window would just be full again if they were placed back in it verbatim

[unique spade]

since i have precise control of how context is synthesized

[unique spade]

yea, i wouldn t use a long chat and imagine model still remembers much from pold messages. the question that matters if that long backlog affects reasoning quality during the active turns

for me long chats work fine, even on vanilla compaction because it seems like the model has robust grasp of like last 10 turns

which means i can keep repeating 5 turn loops without having to keep telling the model details of the loop, because 90% of the cases it's active in it s context

[orchid echo]

In long sessions, each time it compacts, the context window starts lower and lower from 100%. That is normal correct?

[trim rapids]

only up to a certain point

there's definitely a cap on the size of the compaction output

[orchid echo]

ah i see

[trim rapids]

one of my side projects is a custom harness to increase session durability, the longest session I have logged is just over 300 compactions and the amount of context taken immediately after a compaction event definitely stops increasing eventually

[unique spade]

yea they are defined in codex cli code

[trim rapids]

heh I just set codex up with a /goal to run my game engine with gprofng under xvfb, locate rendering hot spots, root cause slowdown, attempt optimization, A/B test result across several scenes and commit the result to a local branch if it's an uplift

[lost drum]

whats ur project size cause that matters too how many files it has and stuff

I think I need to stick with just codex cause there is noway he would chew down 22k files scattered around tree of 1263 folders

[bright swift]

works nice in both so far

[deft violet]

For some reason even though I'm on MacOs and the latest version of Codex, I'm not seeing the computer use option in the Codex app, I even deleted the codex config.toml but the same thing remains, i can use remote control but not computer use

[lost drum]

most of my files are markdown and and py. My usage ended so I wont send such cool table sad

[bright swift]

that table is from scc cli

[deft violet]

I was using the same acc on Windows before, but that should not be a problem

[orchid echo]

Alright so I'm trying this now. I gave ChatGPT Pro my tar.gz and asked Codex to create a simple professional implementation plan prompt so ChatGPT can create it then pasted that prompt to ChatGPT. I should be good to go?

[lost drum]

but he works on 2 project at the same time cause he extracting eveyrhting from this

1month worth of pro 20x acc haha

had no clue he doing smthing in rust

would need 10mil context

[orchid echo]

who is "he"

[bright swift]

i would not ask for plan straight away. upload load archive, tell it what you want to do broadly and explore and prepare for a discussion

then use this simple skill, just send as normal prompt https://www.aihero.dev/my-grill-me-skill-has-gone-viral

and when you are happy with the result, ask for implementation plan, tell it to research the prompt guidance from oai for your goal model and apply it, and also research codex goal mode

i dont always do the grill me process, but sometimes its worth it

if you want to go crazy, for a bigger plan, ask for the plan to be in the form of a DAG task graph with tracer bullet vertical slices

[orchid echo]

oops already did lol

[bright swift]

yea thats fine it will create a good plan anyway

but worth experimenting with the things i mentioned

[orchid echo]

definitely will

💯

[bright swift]

crazy thing with gpt pro is that you just need to mention one keyword like "tracer bullet" and it will radically change the approach

worth learning about a few concepts 🙂

[exotic cave]

codex is really slow nowdays...

[lost drum]

codex

[neat sinew]

For me it's actually fast

I told it to check all 2^100 combinations, and it's doing them now

[proper cosmos]

getting miffed off with codex. I wanted what's in the first image, this is what it keeps churning out.

[bright swift]

have it make a screenshot and compare pixel by pixel in /goal 😄

[proper cosmos]

this is the 4th time though...

[bright swift]

frontend def still weak point

[proper cosmos]

burned through 30% of week's tokens

[neat sinew]

Just tell it to keep the first image

[bright swift]

try to let chatgpt pro extended generate it as pure html

[proper cosmos]

I did pure HTML with deep research in the hope that'd work

it just removed the cat

[bright swift]

deep research wrong for this i think

try pro, supposedly it runs multiple models in parallel and then converges on the best result

[torpid trout]

And here I am having it generated a codebase with roughly 2000 lines of code, inclusive plan, review, GH CI etc, and I am on 100% weekly still. 5hrs on 98%

[proper cosmos]

And it can't handle a bloody cat

[torpid trout]

Go figure probably its all in cache lol.

[bright swift]

skill issue, i almost emptied my first 20x plan

[proper cosmos]

I'd love to try pro, but I can't justify spending a hundred quid right now

[torpid trout]

Yeah, that must be a skill issue, I agree lol

[bright swift]

the tokens must flow

[proper cosmos]

if I could try pro with the same tokens for X cost, i'd do that. in hospital atm so need every penny currently

[bright swift]

if you want, send me the prompt and full image and ill run it in my pro

[proper cosmos]

That's very kind

[bright swift]

are you even trying if you dont burn 1,5 billion a day?

[proper cosmos]

I'll send a DM, if it's not an issue, I'd just like to see what it spits out

i'll send you $8 for the trouble xD

[proper cosmos]

I hope you profit more than you spend ❤️

[bright swift]

well its 12€/day with 2x pro 20x and manages my whole business, so yea 😄

[proper cosmos]

so is the column on the right not your actual spend?

[torpid trout]

It says it used barely 1.3 million tokens
Its bugged, for 100% sure - impossibly it can create a whole codebase with 1.3 million tokens, that is barely enough to get me a meme lol

Plus this is already revision 3 after planning etc

Well, I will not complain.

[bright swift]

no thats what i would spend with api rates. its npx @ccusage/codex --tag latest

[proper cosmos]

bloody hell

[bright swift]

its estimates though

but still crazy yea

[torpid trout]

@bright swift and your openai dashboar reports the same amount of usage?

[bright swift]

dashboard only has percentages not exact tokens i think?

but the graphs look similar at least yea

[torpid trout]

hmm
ccusage is codexbar?

[bright swift]

they are different tools

but they both use the session logs as source

[torpid trout]

oh. and what token amount does your codexbar report?

also those billions?

[bright swift]

little vacation gap 😄

[torpid trout]

lol

I guess thanks for paying for my usage hahahahaha

[bright swift]

yea wasted 1-2 resets this month 😄

[torpid trout]

I make it do silly things like re-organizing my computer on the side because I just can't kill the quota
Generally I run about 5 codex instances at the same time, some in potentially infinite loops (like reviewing itself in automated mode)...
I barely make it to 50%
But, the interesting thing is that this was not always like that, in past I recall wasting the whole thing in less than a week with way less workload

I hate getting the better end of a bug lol, the landing will be hard once its fixed

[bright swift]

i have a lot of strict feedback loops, like lints, 100% test coverage, mutation testing, codex review loop until no more findings

make hay while the sun is shining tokens are subsidized

and xhigh only

[torpid trout]

u using subagents?

because I turned that crap off and run my own harness (which basically is also using subagents but differently)
I believe that is a huge part of the consumption

[bright swift]

i used to, built my own little orchestration with managed worktrees

but now i just use an isolated dev vps per agent

might add subagents again, but for now this with gpt pro goal prompts works well

i'm building an orchestrator on top of this now though

so a "subagent" = codex in its own vps server 😄

[torpid trout]

Yeah, same here, subagent == standalone codex instance (just with codex app-server instead of encapsulated vm)

[bright swift]

yea trigger for me was simply resources

i have a macbook m1 max with 64gb

[torpid trout]

project manager > work item manager (persisting threads) > workers (ephemeral threads that can be recuperated if need) > codex review > ➿

[bright swift]

was just constantly maxed out on cpu because of lints/checks in hooks etc

now i can have it on my lap again on the couch without burning myself

thats the downside of all those strict guardrails i guess

needs lots of compute

[indigo robin]

i got that new m5 pro

its a beast

[spice kindle]

oh alr

[proper cosmos]

image gen 2.0 (1st) chatgpt pro recreation ❤️ (2nd) 😝

I will update when I work this shizzle out

[lean lark]

Hey bud, on that topic, #images-discussions is the best channel. 👍

[proper cosmos]

But it was made in codex 🙁

[signal tapir]

I'm guessing it was "coded" by Codex

[inland sonnet]

Discord mod be like

[signal tapir]

"I'll just build it from primitives. How hard can it be?" 😉

[proper cosmos]

still got a lot to learn in this vibe coding malarkey

[lean lark]

Oh, missed that, didn't see any context. 🙂 Was that just the result of a prompt in Codex, or are you doing something with Codex that is special with regard to image gen?

[lean lark]

I resent that! I am not blue!

[proper cosmos]

I generated a plan with the image generator, Wanted to incorporate it into my web app. fed it to codex

[torpid trout]

Some phisicyan going around again I think.
Dormant for months, now suddenly extending amigo requests

Only ever message by user otherwise in the introductions channel goes like "I have free community for you all please join" type of thing

[lean lark]

Kewl - had no idea, again I didn't see any context. Sorry.

[proper cosmos]

this was non- pro version

:p

[lean lark]

@torpid trout @bright swift If you'd like something a bit more informative than @ccusage/codex, I welcome you to check out https://github.com/CaptainStarbuck/codex-usage

Suggestions for enhancements are very welcome. The filters branch has new filters for date/time ranges and other specifics.

[orchid echo]

does anyone here use https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman for Codex?

[bright swift]

nah i even use personality = "none" in config.toml. think its important to be "close to the model" to understand how to use it best

https://www.dbreunig.com/2025/11/11/don-t-fight-the-weights.html 🙂

[torpid trout]

This site can’t be reached
Check if there is a typo in www.dbreunig.com.
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN

[bright swift]

works on my machine

[torpid trout]

weird. Sure it exists, my dns sometimes has pubertarian moods

[orchid echo]

works here

[torpid trout]

Get that once a while on sites for no given reason

[bright swift]

https://web.archive.org/web/20260511213158/https://www.dbreunig.com/2025/11/11/don-t-fight-the-weights.html

[orchid echo]

so in ur opinion its not worth using it to save tokens?

[bright swift]

idk i'm a tokenmaxxer

i think more tokens are more better

[orchid echo]

tru

[lean lark]

( not true )

[bright swift]

its more about not confusing the model i think

but i dont know enough about the inner workings

[deft violet]

he's one of those people that launches 30 subagents to get a readme about the code then complain about usage limits

[bright swift]

reset wen

[honest saffron]

please reset after you sort out the issie in 5.5, no use resetting before it

[bright swift]

5.6 this week anyway with reset included

turn /fast on

[deft violet]

i run my stuff on 2 cc pro subs and one codex pro

[orchid echo]

that would be nice

[deft violet]

and id say i still have the luxury to be able to easily vibecode

these vibercoders just take tokens for granted

if you actually even slightly care about not using too much usage you would save 100% in tokens

[bright swift]

why care though

[deft violet]

sigh

[bright swift]

if you can't turn a $200 codex sub into a profit you have other problems than tokens imo

use it while its subsidized

[deft violet]

my point is you can get the same profit with $100 of subs

[bright swift]

sure definitely possibly to be token efficient

[deft violet]

like there's this youtuber he ran 50 agents to fix a bug and then complained about usage

like bro 💀

it only needed one agent

[bright swift]

well influencers are probably not the best source

[cedar skiff]

how do you run 50 agents to fix a bug?

Like what do the agents do

[deft violet]

Launch 50 agents to find this bug:

[deft violet]

I have no clue

[cedar skiff]

Sounds like nonsense

[deft violet]

bro I have 60 bucks worth of subs and I'm like still using cmux multitasking using computer use occasionally

[winged barn]

Small question: why did the Codex weekly reset suddenly change out of nowhere? The page said it would reset on the 20th, but now it changed to the 23rd out of nowhere.

[bright swift]

they had a booboo and reset manually

1,5 days ago

[deft violet]

and i think i can get more work done with that 60 bucks than those stupid vibecoders can with 200

[cedar skiff]

1.5 days ago and im on 56% remaining o.0

[winged barn]

bruh

[lean lark]

Interesting discussion, seriously... More agents aren't really productive in many tasks. There's not much reason to hand-off one kind of coding task to another agent when most coding tasks are very similar. We don't need to define skills for things like code language conversion or refactoring because that's already built into the model.
Just because we have the tools doesn't mean we need to use them too-too excessively. Mature development is when you get to that point when you Don't want to reach for specific tooling.

( Or just remember ... there is no spoon. )

[orchid echo]

right there with u at 54%

[bright swift]

17

[bright swift]

but i'm prompt starved right now, agents idling 🙁

[cedar skiff]

what is code language conversion

[lean lark]

C# to TypeScript, Perl to PHP....

[deft violet]

i see people wasting so much tokens on things that can be very easily fixed even using open source models

[lean lark]

Yeah, peeps anxious to use the cool tools and not thinking much or knowing much about what's going on. Kinda a Dunning-Kruger effect.

[bright swift]

https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/30412 this 😄

[cedar skiff]

oh righto

[lean lark]

Well, there are great reasons to migrate code from one platform to another, maybe Java to Kotlin or JavaScript to TypeScript - and yeah, many resource-intensive projects can benefit from a rewrite to Rust ... But that's another one of those "sure, we can do it, but should we?" Just like using more agents...

[inland sonnet]

I believe making a overview of your codebase, and doing task per task per context is still the best, as subagents will put all results back in one. Anyway.

[cedar skiff]

I mean you probably want skills for that if you want the code to be idiomatic in the new language.
Or you will get slop or you will need excessive hand holding.
There will be conversion you don't want and it will do it that way every time. models don't know how you want the code and they are bad at architecture within one project so build out a new one in different paradigm isnt going to go well.

[boreal holly]

Niiice they got it merged! I now officially like bun as much as Deno

[cedar skiff]

Will get something works? Probably.
Will it be idiomatic to what the community considers readable and workable architecture? Unlikely

[inland sonnet]

People using /goal and asking to add 490298400932 features, just a no go.

[lean lark]

Yes, separate into tasks, but many tasks should not be run in parallel, and most code tasks don't require a different agent. So spinning up 50 agents to do different things on a code package might be smart or it might be insane. The tools need to be carefully selected and then carefully used.

[lean lark]

Agreed.

[orchid echo]

i still havent used goal, it doesnt even show up for me

[cedar skiff]

sub agents arent designed for parallel implementation. They will step on each others work, managing that complexity defeats the purpose. They are great for document generation/research and sequential programming work flows.

[bright swift]

then you are on older version

[cedar skiff]

work trees are for parallel implementation

[bright swift]

they work great if you define all tasks as a DAG and use worktrees

[orchid echo]

ah

[bright swift]

have the main agent adopt the commits from each subagent by cherry picking and resolve conflicts

each subagent runs its own codex review loop

[boreal holly]

It really depends how you do it. If you write up the DTOs/routes/networking first, you can now fan out the database/handling on the backend, and design on the frontend simultaneously. And then when all that work is done, you can have QA sweep through and rigorously test it while another round of agents work on something else.

That's not really subagents, but I could see 2 subagents for a certain point in the development lifecycle being beneficial. I wouldn't do like 50 subagents lol there's never a reason for something like that, but for any given task I could see at most 2 or 3 subagents

[cedar skiff]

That complexity to handle it isnt worth it imo, i would rather just run it sequentially.

Then i dont have to manage any of those details

[lean lark]

I cringe at the idea of trying to coordinate the sewing together of independent work done by a bunch of agents. It's like a common merge with a team of people working on the same code, even in different worktrees. "Just Don't Do That."

[boreal holly]

I personally do not handle those details, the orchestrator does. I gave em a playbook on when to fan out a task and how to do it properly. Then just give it the task and it manages that process

[bright swift]

you never worked in a team?

[cedar skiff]

but who wrote the orchestrator?

This is what i mean it has to be handled one way or another

[lean lark]

Meh, then we need to define/manage the orchestrator. Yeah, I get that concept but I dare say "most often" that's a lot of work on infrastructure - it's getting out the bandages cuz you know you're gonna footgun.

[bright swift]

openai

[boreal holly]

I wrote the role definition and I write the tasks myself

[cedar skiff]

Right i just prefer to avoid all of that and run sequential agents.

[boreal holly]

Idk dude I haven't made any drastic changes to my setup in a really long time. It just works practically flawlessly for me

[lean lark]

( Cuz I'm on a roll ... )

[bright swift]

I do this parallel stuff mostly for areas that dont touch each other. Otherwise I agree you are in for a world of pain

[boreal holly]

That's fine honestly. I like to have multiple things worked on simultaneously, some folks like to work on exactly 1 thing at a time.

[lean lark]

There are no absolutes. So if it seems like I'm critical of agents in general, I'm not - it's about abuse of the tooling.

[bright swift]

For whats its worth i'm back to only main agent for now instead of the subagent worktrees right now 😄

But multiple main agents 😛

[boreal holly]

Are you saying I'm abusing the tool? I struggle to reach 50% weekly and have half a dozen agents working on stuff. Pretty token efficient

[honest saffron]

You must be someone who sleeps and toches grass

[lean lark]

It's kinda like LangChain - it's a great idea, you get started and it's awesome, you do some prototypes and they're awesome. Then you may realize - um, I don't really need this framework anymore cuz I know how to do all of this without the deps.

[lean lark]

no no no - you know I'm not. I'm not talking about you. You're using the tools effectively and not whining about tokens. I'm still talking in general about peeps who spin up 50 agents for no really good reason, with no orchestration, and then they complain about blowing through tokens. That's the abuse...

"Have a little faith baby!"

[bright swift]

Permanent underclass if you dont have 50 agents running 24/7 tbh

[cedar skiff]

I do work on many things at a time if i have the band width, often different projects. But also on the same project i just use work trees. Usually i plan out a feature and then start it up in a work tree and then plan out another feature and and start that in other work tree at most i had 4 work trees running on the same project this way, usually keeping an eye on a feature implementation and planning a feature only have a small time overlap so things wrap up faster then i can get them running.
I really should try to make this a quicker process since i am the bottle neck ahha.

[lean lark]

since i am the bottle neck
More and more true these days...

[orchid echo]

Updating Codex via `npm install -g @openai/codex`...

changed 2 packages in 3s

🎉 Update ran successfully! Please restart Codex.
korboy-wsl@KORBOY:~$ command codex -V
codex-cli 0.130.0
korboy-wsl@KORBOY:~$```
i still dont see /goal 🤔

[honest saffron]

Some people lead their life without a goal

unless they enable it

[lean lark]

profound

[bright swift]

oh its experimental actually.

[features]
goals = true
```
in config.toml

[honest saffron]

one must find their goal by experimenting

"experiment you must, find the goal" - Master Yodex

[boreal holly]

I'm not gonna claim what I'm doing is easy and painless 😅 just the other day I had a eureka moment, after getting tired of seeing stuff like "PostgreSQL returned 0 rows from the tenant database" prose in the frontend, I decided to refactor the whole project so all static strings are generated from a YAML file (kinda like nationalization or whatever), then I can open the YAML file and edit out stupid developer notes from the frontend in one place. That required like 12 agents in their own worktrees owning a handful of pages. Let em rip last night before bed, woke up this morning and now all my strings are in a easy to read YAML file. I think that's a really cool reason to set up an orchestration thing

[honest saffron]

also, do it again! new version is available lol

[boreal holly]

And they all did not drift or leave any pages unfinished

[orchid echo]

i did it like 3 times, stayed on same version

[orchid echo]

ah okay

👍 got it

[honest saffron]

look at you, you understood Master Yodex

[cedar skiff]

I use orchestration. I use it all the time. For a task like that i would use it as well, because its mostly research. For the actual code touching i would either use one agent or have a sequential task list though.

[orchid echo]

🧠

[honest saffron]

We don't use that here, we use codex instead

[orchid echo]

oh ye

[boreal holly]

Gotcha, the other reason I do it this way is because there's no bookkeeping involved. No maintaining a task list markdown. Enough agents with enough context to understand the task and the job becomes a one-shot effort this way!

[cedar skiff]

Right but im not saying i wouldnt do it in one shot.

orchestration can be sequential

It's all just planning

[bright swift]

Orchestration doesnt mean you have to run 50 agents in worktrees. Its simply about structuring the work instead of trying to one shot. IMO

[boreal holly]

True, but output tokens are priced substantially higher than input/cached, and if they have to maintain a markdown file todo list that is output tokens. But if the orchestrator subdivides the task in one shot as input tokens to the workers then you get tangible savings

[cedar skiff]

On the other hand you have a whole system to manage file locking and making sure agents dont step on each others work, that isnt exactly free either.

[boreal holly]

Yes indeed! They spawn in their own worktree with workspace-write sandbox. They never clobber each other's edits.

[onyx peak]

no plugin for sanity.io?

[boreal holly]

I have approval_policy="on_request", so when an agent tries to run a sandbox command, it forwards a message to the orchestrator, and their only control is to deny the command. This acts as a "the agent is drifting, doing something they're not supposed to, and I have a chance to correct that behavior".

[lean lark]

Interesting ... I just found a VSCode extension by Microsoft: Chat Customizations Evaluations

Extension for analyzing, validating, and improving AI prompts

The recommendation came up when I was editing a SKILLS.md file.
I dunno ... SMH ... Another freakin tool? Maybe later...

[nocturne folio]

im praying gpt5.6 will become cheaper

5.5 is not token efficient on larger tasks, even if benchmarks show it is. i wish we can go back to o3 pricing

[lean lark]

5.5 is not token efficient on larger tasks, even if benchmarks show it is
I hope you see the irony in that statement.

[orchid echo]

but does benchmarks = real world tasks?

[torpid trout]

If you know you know

[lean lark]

The quality on these images is low cuz I'm just screenshotting. I can put up the actual images if anyone cares.
( All of these are inspired by @torpid trout, so while I'm generating these I'd prefer to give him attribution anyway. )

[torpid trout]

it looks nice, like vintage style

You should bit it for free

damn, the self promotion is strong with this one

[lean lark]

( "bit it" ) ?

[torpid trout]

ah dude no, just noticed it - image size is half a potato by .5 so the site will not even accept it I believe
bitsforfree

the site that stores all cool memes from this channel

If I could do a bot and add it here I would

[lean lark]

I had no idea. .com ?

[torpid trout]

check my profile (finally I can say that too!!)

I am now a phisicyan
C h e c k m y p r o f i l e hahahahah

[lean lark]

OMG, that's amazing!

Will submit tonight. TYVM

[torpid trout]

Codex created it one evening while we had discord outage here.
I had not much room to interefere lol.

PS, you are limited to I believe 5 memes per hour, 10 per day, or something like that
Anyway, you will get relevant errors when the limits are reached. If you need to bulk upload you can always let me know and I can temporarily disable that safeguard.

[slender plinth]

guys

have yall every seen a funny model

thats 100M params

so i made my own model

using gpt 5.5 high

and 4 a100 80gb

outcome

[lean lark]

From Jason Liu on the OpenAI Codex team. I haven't completely read through it yet but it seems good for this group:
https://jxnl.github.io/blog/writing/2026/05/10/codex-maxxing/

[plucky halo]

@bright swift When does it stop?! 😭

[bright swift]

yea it can get stuck sometimes 😄 i got up to 100+. sometimes worth telling it to just make high confidence decisions itself and only ask you for high level decisions

sometimes i just answer yes 20 times in a row but then suddenly a question pops up that touches a small detail i care about

[fringe shuttle]

anyone else feel like codex limits are draining faster than before?

[exotic cave]

I feel like codex works slower lately...

now getting connection issues...

[lean lark]

If you want to see whether one model performs differently than another with Codex, pull a repo, give model 1 a task, get your metrics, dismiss all changes, give model 2 a copy of the task, get metrics ... compare.
Too much around here is about feelings. Get some quantitative data.

As to time take to perform tasks - meh, that changes daily.

[exotic cave]

I am using /fast and it's slow as a slug 1m for a simple task or 20 seconds to answer something simple at times is beyond what you describe.

Not to mention disconnects i am starting to see, are they working on deploying a new model or somesuch?

[lean lark]

This makes me think we need some kind of daily performance benchmark. Gonna chew on that a bit. Thanks.

Hey @exotic cave

[meager dragon]

You've hit your usage limit. Upgrade to Pro , visit usage to purchase more credits

[lean lark]

and?

[meager dragon]

I still have usage

some how

[lean lark]

pass some tokens around the room?

[slender plinth]

guys codex cli or codex app?

[lean lark]

yes, different tools for different purposes.

[cedar skiff]

i only ever use the app, almost never go into the ide anymore

[torpid trout]

basically he has support agents talk to his own support-support-agent lol, he genius he

right in the feels of those "we will be with you in 5 minutes" 5 hours wait times lol

[lean lark]

For anyone who feels "performance is slow today"... The Codex-Usage utility has a field Seconds Since Previous that shows the time taken to process each event. Events are, um, events, that occur while a response is being generated. There can be several events in a single reponse during a single Turn. Each time you send a request and get a response, that's a single Turn. And there are multiple Turns during a Session. I'm going to enhance the reporting so that it will log this Seconds Since Previous data so that we can get a graph of actual transaction time during the day and over a period of days/weeks.

There's also the time taken to process a turn. That's a different kind of metric but can help when looking at daily averages.

Are there any suggestions for what else we can do with that data?

[torpid trout]

what are events?

🙂

I have to be that guy.

[karmic gulch]

Anyone else experience bugs on mobile today?

Keeps DC from my Mac mini. Extremely annoying, worked perfectly yesterday

[cedar skiff]

i had that since the start, cant use it yet still too many bugs

[orchid echo]

Anyone else give ChatGPT Web crappy written prompts so it can revise/improve it then feed it back to Codex?

[bright swift]

yes

[torpid trout]

if you scroll up you will realise that you are re-inventing the tool to build the wheel
We are already at the point where we do not even write the prompt at all anymore ourselves

We basically do not even be, anymore. We simply drool.

And from time to time, we ask

[orchid echo]

🤣

[exotic cave]

Damn i still write my prompts by hand... I am really behind... I am a bad vibe coder, can't even call myself one. 🤦‍♂️

[glass furnace]

i write mine by foot. step up

[torpid trout]

you all still write. flintsone fam

This is the scary reality we live in

• approximate cost (token costs as reported by codexbar): 51.65USD
• approximate time of human drooling behind screen watching tokens go up in smoke and throwing some gasoline in from time to time (others call this "writing prompts"): ca 7hrs
• cost of end product resulting from above as estimated by gpt 5.5 x-high slow (because we can): $25,000 to $45,000 USD as a fair 2026 custom build price

Let that sink in.

And gpt is right. Not 3 years ago, this is what a client would have paid for getting what I (I drooled) made today in those 7 hours (because I would not have been drooling back then)

[bright swift]

a few years ago i paid a dev agency €150k for a rewrite that i am now about to rewrite again with a couple of chatgpt pro 20x subs

or at least heavily refactor

[torpid trout]

So the question comes up again, and I believe this is on topic - how the hell do you bill all this
You cannot with a good coscience bill the same as 3 years ago even if you hand review this 55 thousand times - even if just becuase the client also is not behind and knows there is AI and everyone uses it, just not everyone knows how to

So... whats the magic formula?
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I mean, @bright swift - you sound like someone who has been billed, so your take on this is even more interesting

Would you ever hire someone again, at all? Would you expect a much lesser price? would you pay for "the one who knows where to put the hammer"?

[bright swift]

well the project finished when chatgpt released so... yea.. 💸

i see it now as an educational project mainly

[torpid trout]

bcause the prices above I mention - they are real
BUT.. only if you know what the hell you are doing

[bright swift]

i learned a lot about software architecture etc from very experienced people

the projects will change but stay

[torpid trout]

Thing is Not EVERYONE can achieve that goal with that time/price
Less of all for example client - who has barely an idea of what they want, not to mention how
SO I believe price is ... still justified, but it needs different justification than before

[bright swift]

non-tech companies will not do huge internal rewrites etc

also this whole area of "vibe code rescue" will be big i think

[torpid trout]

oh yes, hell

exactly what I mean

[bright swift]

if i was just a dev, not entrepreneur, i would focus on that probably

[torpid trout]

You can do everything in 5 hours. You can not do quality in 5 hours. But I can still do it 100 times faster than before, using AI

So there my darn honesty kicks in

[bright swift]

build strong workflows around improving vibe coded codebases

[torpid trout]

I feel bad billing a client for pure "because I can", I always have to see "I worked x hours, it is justified"
I am not yet used to the tool speeding me up like this

not sure if it is clear what I mean

[bright swift]

dont bill by time spent

[torpid trout]

It's like - you have a excavataor to dig a hole or a human
Both cost the same... or not

[torpid trout]

Yes, I know, meanwhile I do not anymore (and still feel bad every time I name prices lol - I am used to construction working, there we used to bill by the meter, so...)

For me it is like a "proof of work == hours or meters of iron in the ground" lol

Asked GPT if in 2026 with the advent of AI (and given the exaample above) it is even remotely justified to bill something like that...

in 2026 I would not treat AI as a reason to go below that. I’d treat it as a reason your margin improves or the client gets faster delivery.

Unbelievable. I mean, I am confident enough to say that in the language and field I program I am a bit of a freaking star. But I am a horrible, terrible, catastrophic business man lol

[unique spade]

do you guys remember how things were before codex 😂

[torpid trout]

I just cant. I dont have the balls to do something like that lol

[unique spade]

feels like so ancient era

and i trust it a lot for ops on my computer, don t mean clicking, but operating scripts and stuff

[torpid trout]

The client doesn’t itemize your laptop, your IDE, Stack Overflow, your old reusable knowledge, or your speed. AI is part of your tooling.
I guess bro is right.
But I think he meant drooling, not tooling, right?

[unique spade]

lol, ai will sort it out. just wait to see the kind of things codex will do in 2028

the writing on the wall is around since alphago beat Lee Sedol , 10 years ago

[restive oasis]

Is codex remote available for Windows

[bright swift]

you mean like sitting at your window with your mac?

[unique spade]

not the last time i checked few days ago

i think you can only connect chatgpt to an mac desktop codex

[solid lake]

There’s solutions on GitHub

[nocturne folio]

dude dont use azure on codex

no way theres that many ppl using gpt5.5 rn

[fast gull]

Chat Codex Desktop app has had an insane amount of performance issues for the past couple days. Lag on send, hanging, not really any crashing but the app issues i've seen are getting outta hand. Anyone have any client app fixes?

[lean lark]

Connect to Codex Windows from Android:
#codex-discussions message

@restive oasis @unique spade

[fast gull]

thank god alr will look into thx boss

[solid lake]

Switch to http requests instead of Websocket

[restive oasis]

Thank you my glorious codex king

[lean lark]

😳

[inland sonnet]

COOKED

COOKED

COOKED

🏺

[fast gull]

So if I'm understanding this correctly we just essentially need to avoid using Codex throughthe Codex app distributed on Windows?

[nocturne folio]

idk would that work

[lean lark]

The Codex App for Windows works on its own. The announcement for Codex in the ChatGPT Android app says "Support for connecting your phone to the Codex app on Windows is coming soon."
Being as-yet unsupported, on Android the UI connection to Windows just says something like "connecting to your device", and there's no connection.

However, someone published the remote-control solution in Twitter/X. I'm just providing it here as a convenience. By opening this connection in the PC, somehow, that gives the Android app something to connect to.
From there your phone activity is integrated with your Windows app activity.

At some point OpenAI will announce official support for Android/Windows. Until then, when you leave your PC, run the remote-control interface so that you can connect by mobile. The remote-control is not necessary unless you're using mobile, just ctrl-c to terminate it.

[cyan wing]

new way to get Codex to speak more simply 😆

[fast gull]

Right my issues are specifically for the windows Codex app. Not the Android app. The local Windows app seems to be having performance issues 🙁

[cedar skiff]

Youre probably better off with claude it will adjust it vocabulary to match yours. It's better at understanding your level and matching it. 5.5 is a little better then previous models. 5.3 just talks like a swe and expects everyone to understand.

[lean lark]

Oh, well, nevermind then. 🙂
Um, without more info how can anyone here help?
I'm no expert on the windows app. Post whatever concerns you and hopefully someone will respond.

[quick geode]

first time i see this

i think i need to take another nap

[simple star]

Can someone please explain?

[plush harbor]

did you try running that install command?

[simple star]

no, because I want to know what it does, before running a command 😛

[torpid trout]

You can get the script and read it or have that guy read it

That very command basically does that (download the script) and then pipes it to execute

So you could just curl it without | sh and read it first

[simple star]

Just did that, and fed it to CHatGPT

Apparently is a different script, to install the CLI

sounds like a dependency nightmare, if you already have it installed via npm

Glad I didnt do it

well, not "dependency nightmare". More like "Path ambiguity"

[lean lark]

Why did you type that command anyway, what was your goal?

[simple star]

@lean lark to see what it does 😛

Well not really

It sounds to me more, like something that allows you to use the mobile app

So I wanted to check it out

[lean lark]

I know remote-control has a purpose in Windows ( #codex-discussions message ) and I hope it will do the same for Linux. I'm surprised it's not already built-in but I suspect you're running an old version of CLI. If you execute the CLI update (to 0.130) you may then have remote-control.
I would be really interested if you can connect from Android to Linux!

[solid lake]

Linux does have remote control

Just use a bridge

[simple star]

@lean lark It was 0.131

[bright swift]

😎

[simple star]

leet!

[inland sonnet]

💀

[solid lake]

Ggez

[lean lark]

Wow, yeah, just got it working - Android to Linux/WSL. No bridge.

[solid lake]

Nice

[lean lark]

Wife is definitely gonna divorce me now!

[simple star]

mmm... I wonder why it wont work when installed with npm...

I might open a ticket

[minor sparrow]

Has anyone been able to get chrome plugin working in windows?

Is it a pro feature only or is it available for plus too?

[lean lark]

FAQ / Pin : Connecting to Linux from Android :
As with Windows, we need to remote-control into the environment, but (duh) it's a little different.
You must first update to at least v0.130.
npm i -g @openai/codex@latest
At a Linux prompt, try codex remote-control.
The response is:

Error: managed standalone Codex install not found at /home/codex/.codex/packages/standalone/current/codex

This command requires the standalone install managed by the Codex installer, because the daemon starts and updates app-server from that fixed path.

Install it with:
curl -fsSL https://chatgpt.com/codex/install.sh | sh

Then rerun the command you just tried.

Read what it says. Do what it says. We need a separate, standalone installation.
Run the curl command. It says you already have a "npm-managed" Codex installed. Answer N (default) to uninstall that.
It finishes quickly.
Close and re-open that terminal / open a new one.
Now you can run codex remote-control. In Windows that starts a server in the foreground. In Linux it starts in the background - and the terminal goes back to shell. You can execute it again and it says it's already running (in friendly JSON).

Now, open ChatGPT in Android. It should connect! You should see a first or second host appear at the top of the Codex screen to indicate which server it's connected to.
In your Linux environment (maybe through VSCode) you'll see that Codex now has a Task History item named "remote-control".
For more info, at this point you can look up docs. If you don't find info, ask ChatGPT. If you still can't find info, ask for help in #codex-discussions.

[lean lark]

Plus can use it. I am. It works.

[minor sparrow]

Can you help me? I can’t get it to do this.

Even if I keep asking for the plugin with @ it says the plugin is not active in the session or something.

Or can you point me to a resource pls

[simple star]

I guess using Codex through npm is kinda handicapped 😕

[lean lark]

@minor sparrow It started it, see that it has that tab in a group named "Codex forum something".

[simple star]

The command I never thought I'd ran any time soon...

npm uninstall -g @openai/codex

Im shaking

[lean lark]

You don't need to!

Keep the npm version. It has other stuff.

[simple star]

And have 2 different "codex" commands in my machine?

Ha! No way

What does the npm version have, that the standalone doesnt?

[lean lark]

@minor sparrow I think when I first tried it, it wouldn't work against the OpenAI.com site. They block it. 😆

[plush harbor]

-bash: npm: command not found 👀

[minor sparrow]

Rn for some reason it opens it on the codex native browser

[lean lark]

Look dude, I carefully wrote the instructions. Don't follow them, and I can't help. Good luck.

[lean lark]

I'd close the browsers and Codex and let it all start from scratch. Or in other words : treat it like Windows.

[minor sparrow]

Full device restart maybe. Thanks! 👍 I’ll share my findings

[simple star]

Oh yeah, baby. Working

@lean lark I knew the instructions. What I was asking is, why did you say to keep the npm version

[quick geode]

😳 first time i had codex work this long

[simple star]

Strange, though. Even though the mobile app is connecting to my Linux... it is not showing any thread

[lean lark]

Since I just did this a few minutes ago, I chose not to uninstall something that's working:

• Because it's called "standalone appServer", I get the understanding that it doesn't include client features, that it's a standalone server, where the npm package is literally "codex-CLI" - two different products.
• The installation of the standalone appServer asks if we want to Uninstall, and it defaults to NO. That means it's OK to run both in the same environment.

In deleting the npm package you probably removed the existing sessions folder and the session summary file. I hope you have a backup...

[simple star]

@lean lark It is not just the "standalone server". It is also the client

And yes, I do know that it is "ok" to have both. But it is also an accident waiting to happen

And no, I did not delete the sessions folder

All my old sessions are there

[lean lark]

OK, I just looked at the install.sh source....

[simple star]

I wonder if I have to start a "remote thread" locally, for it to be seen

(whatever that might be)

[lean lark]

This downloads directly from github, it's not the npm package. So yes, it is the full codex package, where the npm package was built to be only the "codex-cli".

[simple star]

(or however that might be done)

[lean lark]

I dunno about the file system components yet, I just got this too.

[simple star]

Im looking into it, right now

[lean lark]

still reading install.sh too but I do have other things to do, so might bail on this one soon.

[simple star]

Sure, I am taking a look too by myself

[lean lark]

At the very bottom it says "Codex CLI installed successfully", so perhaps a typo or intentionally, dunno, this package identifies as a client even though it also includes the server.

[simple star]

It is the client

[lean lark]

It's very possible that because this stuff is so new and not supported (for what we're doing) that they just haven't built it into the npm package yet. I wouldn't. Why open yourself to complaints about something that doesn't work if you know it's not certified to work yet?

This installed also allows install of multiple standalone installations to different folders.
I'm gonna bail. All of this could change literally any minute.
I'm glad it's working for you.

[simple star]

Well, it's half working. The phone connected, but I see no thread. I have to figure out how it works

[lean lark]

To get that working....

I closed VSCode and re-opened it. That seemed to trigger a read of the session index which is a separate file under .codex/

After that it showed all projects.

I don't know yet how that determines what to load or not, there's no "add/remove project".

Although ... in config.toml we do have a list of the projects! I'll bet that's it. We need to exit open sessions to get it to do a re-read.

[simple star]

I have to figure out the whole "workspaces" first and foremost, to be able to open new threads in the proper folder...

Thank God I have codex to read the codex repo 😛

[lean lark]

...and then it seems to lose the list of projects. Dunno what's up.
Then again, this IS not yet announced and unsupported.

[simple star]

What do you mean "announced"?

Twitter?

It is in the releases page: https://github.com/openai/codex/releases?page=1

[lean lark]

Derp - they just annoounced Codex mobile a few days ago.

Codex in the ChatGPT mobile app is rolling out in preview on iOS and Android across all plans, including Free and Go, in all supported regions. Update the ChatGPT mobile app and the Codex app on macOS to try it out. Support for connecting your phone to the Codex app on Windows is coming soon.
-- https://openai.com/index/work-with-codex-from-anywhere/
No mention of Linux, and while ChatGPT/Android has Codex, that isn't "supported" yet either for any server OS.

💥 POOF 💥 and my phone keeps disconnecting and losing the projects.

[solid lake]

On windows?

[lean lark]

huh?

[solid lake]

Your phone disconnects from the windows client?

[lean lark]

I just had Android connected to WSL. The appServer is still running in WSL but Android lost projects and then disconnected. I'm restarting WSL to see if that'll clean things up - I have a lot of things running.

[solid lake]

Oh

[simple star]

Well, after all my research, it seems clear that the function to connect to the Codex CLI from the phone has been activated, but it is not yet available to list the open projects.

I guess we are not quite there yet

[lean lark]

I'm glad you did such deep research but you did miss above where I said it showed all of my projects before it went POOF and disconnected.

[simple star]

Well, that's just as good 😄

[lean lark]

It looks like in 0.131.0 they plugged the hole that allowed connection from Android to Windows 😢 :

Windows>codex remote-control
Error: codex app-server daemon lifecycle is only supported on Unix platforms

It was fun while it lasted. 🙁

[lime inlet]

╭──────────────────────────────────────────────╮
│ >_ OpenAI Codex (v0.130.0)                   │
│                                              │
│ model:     gpt-5.5 medium   /model to change │
│ directory: ~/work/kamon                      │
╰──────────────────────────────────────────────╯

  Tip: Join the OpenAI community Discord: http://discord.gg/openai

⚠ MCP client for `codex_apps` failed to start: MCP startup failed: Transport send error: Transport
  [rmcp::transport::worker::WorkerTransport<rmcp::transport::streamable_http_client::StreamableHttpClientWorker<codex_rmcp_client::http_client_adapter::StreamableHttpClient
  Adapter>>] error: Deserialize error: data did not match any variant of untagged enum JsonRpcMessage

⚠ MCP startup incomplete (failed: codex_apps)

Suddenly, this. I never saw that before. Does this indicate a problem on my end or a problem at OpenAI's end?

[silver smelt]

guys why is codex actually getting worse this past week

[celest stag]

sometimes it be that way

[lean lark]

That could be OS related but it does say it has JSON that is not correct.
I would restart the system.

[lean lark]

That's extremely vague for a technical forum. Care to describe what you mean by "worse"?

[silver smelt]

its much slower and its getting code wrong much more, the last few months I was basically one prompt shotting everything until a week ago it just is very noticeable difference now It barely ever one prompts shots anything even with sinple prompts and completely new projects with no context its just wayy slower and also seems to use more tokens too

[simple star]

TIL: /goal pause, /goal resume, /goal clear

[lean lark]

There's a lot going on there....

[simple star]

Also, if you guys want "@" to let you access skills and plugins, besides folders and files, you have to enable features.mentions_v2

Now it works

[lean lark]

1. It's possible that it's no longer using your system-level AGENTS.md, or that you have a different AGENTS.md in your current project and there are conflicts.
2. Recent updates added Skills. I tend to wonder if it's processing them without us configuring them.
3. OS?
4. You're describing model behavior, not "Codex". So which model(s) are you using, and speed and reasoning?
   I need to go to dinner so I won't get your responses until later. I hope someone else can help.

[simple star]

Well, this explains it quite clearly

The "important nuance" at the bottom is the important part

[cedar skiff]

ok i hope this fixes some of the bugs with the current mobile app remote connections

[simple star]

@cedar skiff This is related exclusively to the CLI

[cedar skiff]

🤔

[simple star]

Yes, being those the "client" that connects to the server

What I showed you are the release notes of the CLI. Whether the Codex App or Codex Mobile App will improve, is a different repo

[cedar skiff]

They live over the top of the cli, codex app uses what ever version you have

i dont have 0.131 available yet

[simple star]

mmm.... so if you install the MacOS Codex App, you have access to the CLI automatically on the terminal?

[cedar skiff]

you need the cli to have the app yeah - i think

[simple star]

I see. I wouldn't know. I live in Ubuntu.

[cedar skiff]

i should check that.

[solid lake]

Maybe also enable remote from config

[cedar skiff]

chatgpt says no, but i dont fully trust it because all of my cli config is in the app by default.

[cedar skiff]

I have it installed and working, it's just terribly buggy

I'm hoping it smooths out soon because it's such a good utility to have

[solid lake]

I’ve had a smooth experience with it ngl

🐧

[cedar skiff]

when i'm out of the house it just loses connection constantly and sometimes can never get it back, Had that happen several times took a full reinstall to get a connection again. So i just shelved it for now.

[solid lake]

Is it resetting your connection

You could look at networking settings and logs to pinpoint why

Check what the handshakes look like

[cedar skiff]

It's an app bug, it ends up in the wrong state. It says connect to a remote (or something similar) to use this connection, then there is no way to do that. It's already been done and it should just be giving the reconnect pathway.

I get the reconnect pathway other times but eventually it ends up in the bad state with no way out

[solid lake]

I see

Okay lol this prolly was said to you already, but have you tried to chatgpt it

Not research online but go through code

For codex

[cedar skiff]

there really is nothing to try

It's just a bit buggy which is expected

[solid lake]

Are you using http or Websocket for queuing messages

Once I switched to http all my reconnect problems gon

But Websocket works well now for me

[cedar skiff]

This is an android app that stuff isnt transparent

[solid lake]

What about codex

[cedar skiff]

It's something to do with the ssh connection not the codex app -> server connection

[solid lake]

Oh you’re sshing in

[cedar skiff]

No, but the app does

[solid lake]

Fr?

[cedar skiff]

I am not sure we are talking about the same thing

[solid lake]

I chose not to ssh

[cedar skiff]

Have you used the android app for remote controlling codex app?

[solid lake]

No I have iPhone and Linux combo

It works pretty well

[cedar skiff]

I'm am just guessing it creates an ssh connection, i cant be sure,

[solid lake]

I don’t remember ssh or scanning any QR code it just showed up in my codex app

[cedar skiff]

does linux have the codex app?

[solid lake]

Gpt app *

[solid lake]

No I use an electron app for remote

Just syncs with my native codex

[cedar skiff]

I'm just using the actual offcial app here

[solid lake]

The cli allows me to remote connect too

Haven’t had issue

Tells me that this is extremely experimental so bugs are expected

[cedar skiff]

it is just remote connection to your personal codex app that is running on your desktop

[solid lake]

The actual mechanism?

Or my computer

Apparently there’s a bridge that allows the electron app to facilitate the connection

But the config files are basically the same and both my native cli and codex app picks it up

[cedar skiff]

im talking about the android app o.0

the remote control that you showed instructions to setup. It's part of the mobile gpt app and it is remote control of your codex app on desktop. It's buggy

codex app is specifically this https://developers.openai.com/codex/app

the mobile app allows a remote connection to it.

[solid lake]

So this

[gusty pagoda]

when codex for linux?

[cedar skiff]

I dont know what that is doesnt look like the offcial app i have. Does that connect to codex app via remote does it?

is that ios?

[solid lake]

Yes

[solid lake]

Its the official app

[cedar skiff]

Yeah, im on android...

[solid lake]

Yeah makes sense ui might be different but shouldn’t apk be easier to work with

Like you could just open a terminal on your phone

Download codex

Tell it to fix

Bam

[cedar skiff]

Yeah it doesnt work like that ahah

apk is a compiled binary

there is also a bunch of signing and app attestation etc, ill just let them fix it and use it once it's done

[solid lake]

Frack

Wait you can decompile

[cedar skiff]

It's not worth it.

after you tamper with it it probably wont work

they will fix it soon enough

[solid lake]

https://tenor.com/view/google-play-gif-13346398

[solid lake]

If android support comes before Linux I’m gonna self oof

Like proper native android support without bugs etc

[indigo robin]

whats up humans

codex should stay apple only

[solid lake]

Too late

[stone cloak]

it's not

[solemn acorn]

a shame it’s on my linux desktop with computer use and remote access then

[lean lark]

So to recap, we had Android>Windows the other day, and Android>Linux/WSL today, but the update to 131 closed the holes that allowed us in.
So now it's prudent to just wait.

[silver smelt]

When will codex do the same thing as Claude where they charge for using openclaw/hermes/etc

[rich anchor]

gpt 5.5 being absolutely terrible for u guys ?
my codex is literally trying to deceive me at every turn
they sneak in 60000ms timeouts before execution tool calls to say a tool is not working .

gpt 5.5 is impossible to work with they are so misaligned

[cedar skiff]

I have been having a few minor issues, seems like it is just a little off. Stopping a little shorter than usual, making some small mistakes that it usually wouldnt etc.

[tidal raptor]

haven't really had that problem

altho is anyone else experiencing subagents quietly asking for permission?
As in it won't show that it needs approval to run a command unless you view the subagent directly

[solid lake]

Switch to http

From Websocket

[fast gull]

So i've realized that chats within a message dont manage it's memory natively. You have to make a new chat in Codex inorder to diminish the memory size/context. How do you guys manage this? Just make new chats after a certain amount of length or?

[cedar skiff]

recently with 5.5 i just work straight through compaction and it doesnt seem to matter

[lean lark]

You're describing "compaction". It happens automatically near Max context length. You can run manually with "/compact" but there are ramifications every time this is done.
Kinda tired in USA, can't explain further.

[cedar skiff]

It doesnt seem to miss a beat when i do it now days

I have sessions that go through 5+ compactions o.0

I feel like they give it a reference to the old chat or something

[solid lake]

“Edit live docs including memory at end of each change to make sure no old information poisons context”

[cedar skiff]

Does the inbuilt memory system mange stale and conflicting data?

[solid lake]

No it remains stale

I’ve caught it cite old information to me

Then I updated and added memory as another doc to be updated at end of every loop

Good thing is it isn’t expensive in terms of token usage since it’s a very high level summary across different projects

[cedar skiff]

i wonder if any of those memory systems that use sql or obsidian vault manage stale information, seems like a difficult task to manage

[solid lake]

I’m gonna have to say no, or they manage it in a way where an agent passes over them again and again

Which idk isn’t deterministic for this sort of thing

[cedar skiff]

Yeah i guess you could have some smaller model audit it every now and again

I'm not really sure it's worth ti tbh

[solid lake]

It’s easier to just add it into your current workflow

Instead of a whole db

That file isn’t very context heavy nor is it meant to be imo

[lime inlet]

So far I have been using codex (cli) exclusively. Now I installed the codex app (I'm using linux so I use https://github.com/ilysenko/codex-desktop-linux).
I note that the app is is immediately aware of my past cli conversations.
Can cli and app somehow get in conflict with each other?
For example, if I simply continue a conversation I started in cli in app... and then later maybe switch back to cli... can that lead to a mixup in states?
Or is there way to keep the conversations/processes from cli and app totally separate?

[solid lake]

It’s fun to invoke it by saying “do you remember us talking about x” and it either goes through memory or just finds the session and re reads context around it

[solid lake]

No you won’t see a mixup

Same sessions

If your workspace remains constant ofc

[cedar skiff]

on macos you can open the same sessions in both places.

[solid lake]

What you can maybe notice is that the Linux app won’t show every chat you’ve had only the most recent ones (or ones after installlation of said app) but it can sync with the other sessions easily

Naw bro typed for solid 2 minutes for this

[velvet wren]

can you delete that please?

[fast gull]

Yeah my chats got to the point where compacting wasn't making a big difference. The electron app and other facets of Codex just get far too heavy for one singular chat. I've had to start doing handoff docuemnts to new chats so not a big deal but was curious how other people were handling it

[solid lake]

There’s a handoff experimental feature

[fast gull]

oh shoot really? Dang ill have to look into it

I will say Claude Code is absolutely much better at managing resources but 5.5 is just so much better at understanding context/creative work

[solid lake]

If you use xhigh it will refresh context very well after each context compaction

I’ve had a chat for a week now

[fast gull]

I'm doing heavy 3D work, I think my chat was up for about 2/3 days before stability in windows went to hell

[rocky fog]

never had any issue with long chats on windows with vscode extension, weeks long, sometimes even more (only opening them after its closed, but eventually it always opened #codex-discussions message thats maybe not only about big chats)

[still trellis]

anyone notice annotation comments on browser preview now fire of one by one. not sure if i like this. Is there a way to still do the old way of adding n number untill you send it off to codex?

[lime inlet]

How do you guys check your usage? I typically look at https://chatgpt.com/codex/cloud/settings/analytics#personal-usage or at /status. The issue is that it gives me my usage as a percentage only... I wish I could look at this in terms of tokens.

Or some absolute unit.

[still trellis]

have you tried codex bar?

shows percentage and tokens as cost

[lime inlet]

oh cool that's some kind of plugin?

[still trellis]

yeah from the clawfather himself... https://github.com/steipete/CodexBar

[lime inlet]

thanks got to try it out

I also found ccusage but have no idea if it is any good

[cedar skiff]

Selected model is at capacity. Please try a different model. on codex 5.3

🙁

get off my lawn

[orchid echo]

my current session probably has like 500 compactions lol

what are the benefits of using /goal compared to manually prompting codex to audit codebase, create professional file plan, then execute plan with subagents?

[ebon skiff]

Guys, why is it that threads that were running before the Codex update for Agent Sandbox can no longer be continued because the Agent Sandbox must be activated but keeps failing (when pressing 'set up,' it says it was successful, but a few seconds later it requires the sandbox to be activated again)?

[still trellis]

Found it... 🤭
cmd + enter adds more...

[plush harbor]

start a new chat per issue usually

[still trellis]

read this https://developers.openai.com/cookbook/examples/codex/using_goals_in_codex

[orchid echo]

oh thank you

[cedar skiff]

i usually fork many times on the same session if i need to and have many different sessions. I dont really ever have a subject that goes on for 500 compactions haha

[still trellis]

memory also chows allot of context

[rocky fog]

always around that time in the day

[karmic gulch]

Hope they can make the mobile codex more stable... its annoyingly bug`d.

[fleet radish]

anybody had this issue?

[jolly lily]

Does the remote control feature get disabled temporarily when my computer gets in the sleeping mode?

[quick geode]

[lost drum]

when reset?

[exotic terrace]

You’re talking about the native Codex memory feature?

[lost drum]

Please, is there a way to switch between codex accounts while sharing same threads? Cause all I need is just w plus accs no more

I am using codex app

[torpid trout]

Id guess you could do it in CLI with codex resume hash since that just points to the file on disk … but if they store the user Id or whatever I guess not
I never tried

[ashen marsh]

hey guys, new codex user here, (currently on free), how much higher are Plus's limits compared to free?

[young locust]

a lot higher imo but never seen them list differences between free, go, plus. only plus and above

[ashen marsh]

is plus limits comparable to claude 5x?
i heard they reduced codex limits recently

[unreal parcel]

did 5.5 quality actually go down or are the humans hallucinating or is it anthropic bots

[velvet wren]

5.5 quality has not gone down

[unreal parcel]

I haven't noticed anything either but there's at least 2 fairly upvoted posts in the last 24 hours saying that

I'm guessing if there's anything wrong then it's probably a bug

or something in the codex harness

[velvet wren]

with every new model release people will, after a little while, start claiming it's been nerfed. The fact is that the initial wow factor has gone but the model is still solid

[unreal parcel]

yea I'm aware. Just checking to see people's opinions. This did actually happen to claude 4.6 after all

had a handful of bad results in past 2 days but easily something that could be attributed to noise

[brittle stratus]

some people reportted it going down, but it's hard to quantify into what's going on

I made a reddit post on r/codex but out of 50 comments I couldn't figure out much

other than some people see the issue, others don't, environments vary, some think new model will come out

[unreal parcel]

it always devolves into stupid conspiracy theories

[brittle stratus]

lots of speculation and emotion

I wouldn't say it's conspiracy as I've experienced the 'duming down' effect before, prior to releases of new models,
whether they relocate compute to the new model or what happens I don't know, which is why I wanted to get some hard data,
but this time I did not experience any drop in quality or usages, but sadly, neither did I figure out much from others

[unreal parcel]

conspiracy as in it's intentional to trick users

or gimping models silently for cost

lots of people just see evil everywhere they go

[brittle stratus]

the 'evil' part is what I'd be against, but you know it's hard to figure out what people are 'really' thinking in chat

people are just stressed out these days, and they write whatever comes to their minds

and when you're stressed out and your model starts making mistakes, and you rely on that model to work for a living, it stresses you even more

[bright swift]

Well what do you expect when your main marketing scheme is fear mongering 😄

[unreal parcel]

harnesses are pretty important so any change or bug in those can result in wildly different results

I'm using OpenCode with my own system prompts so probably why I haven't really noticed anything

[brittle stratus]

I heard opencode's system/dev prompt harness is a bit cluttered, have you checked into that?

to be clear I never used opencode

[unreal parcel]

damn there's like 5+ posts on the degradation now lol

[unreal parcel]

yea it is. like I said I use my own

[brittle stratus]

where, reddit?

[unreal parcel]

yes

[brittle stratus]

nah man, you gotta pump those numbers up
just yesterday there were 5 I think

maybe not 😄

but I did get bored with them all, so created one to get hard data,
out of 50 comments, not much learned

[unreal parcel]

I rarely even check the sub. today I decide to check it and unsurprisingly it's just the same thing people repeating

[brittle stratus]

I was genuinely curious why I wasn't affected, but turns out I wasn't the only one

[unreal parcel]

I'm sure most people aren't experiencing anything at all

[brittle stratus]

you know, it's not always bad to complain every once in a while,
openai is known to listen to feedback and adapt to any issues.
Clearly, we don't want to be dishonest or overdo it 😄

as consumers, we should protect ourselves by any means, and we don't have that many if there are only a few providers

with high prices and low usage limits

[unreal parcel]

Sure I agree, it's just funny that I've been using it a lot specially in the past few days and haven't noticed anything, yet it's just again the same thing people complaining it is clearly dumber

[brittle stratus]

note: sometimes I equate 'means' with 'options', forgive me

[unreal parcel]

anyway I wouldn't have asked here if I didn't think there could be something wrong lol

out of all these posts, nobody is actually saying wth they're using, which makes it pretty hard to diagnose

oh I see you asked one, Codex CLI

I genuinely feel like OpenAI can somehow tell whether the projects we’re working on are actually meaningful or just random, fun experiments, and then adjusts how much compute or effort gets allocated to them
lol

[brittle stratus]

but it's not impossible that some people are experiencing this
I am not experiencing it either, but I've been there, so I don't reject it

[unreal parcel]

surely it can't be the fault of the user or bias right? /s

[brittle stratus]

yeah that one is interesting

a bit out there

[unreal parcel]

that reads like "when I have something concrete it's easier for codex to do it, but when I'm doing something fun and vague, it takes more prompts to get there"

well.......

[brittle stratus]

how dare you mention that

😄

[bright swift]

Didnt anthropic do a paper about how the model gets frustrated

I'd get too if i had to do the 42069th nextjs app

[brittle stratus]

when you get paranoid, these kinds of ideas come to mind

[unreal parcel]

that would be within one session, not on new sessions

[brittle stratus]

without making a mistake

[unreal parcel]

if you make a single mistake I'm posting on r/codex that your intelligence has degraded

how dare you make 1 more mistake than yesterday

[lost drum]

who tried using credits with gpt 5.5 high? I want to know how bad it is? if its still worth 50% of plus usage or no cause I remember when I swtiched to pro 20x when I spend 40$ on 1000 credits and used them so much faster as if I were to buy second plus acc which is 20$

[brittle stratus]

no worries - now model is coming out, hang tight, X people called it so must be true