codex-discussions

[ruby lynx]

I’ll try both in long run

it’ll reflect eventually

[frosty zealot]

There's nothing really to debate, its so personalized, skills, mcps etc. theres a million variables to sway how the models going to work, just use what you find gives you hte most consistent results

[deft gyro]

I mean gpt 5.4 is the most intelligent oai model

its not really debatable

but is it the best

it depends

[twin maple]

I wish they were a bit more transparent about the usage costs of each model, because there just isn't enough usage to actually do your own comparison without shooting your productivity in the foot.

But I haven't had as much success with dropping back to 5.4 mini or 5.3 as people have suggested, typically haven't liked the output or have had to do more follow ups so without a good idea of the per token usage counts it's hard to judge whether it was worth it

[junior yoke]

i personally think 5.3 is a bit better as results were slightly better than 5.4 but after all there is not much difference.

is there 5.4-Codex?

[glacial shadow]

Plus plan is for like, sporadic usage and development. If you want fulltime model, you need Pro200

[twin maple]

I'm a pro user. I blow through that weekly usage in 2 or 3 days and then go touch grass for the rest of the week

[neat heath]

I’m gonna blow through my 72% weekly limit today

It’s gonna be violent, and I’m gonna get hooked

Life will never be the same

[sonic wasp]

did anyone's codex get reset? it's still the same for me. even the one couple of days back didn't reflect for me.

[short linden]

what's reset ? Isn't it Apr 12, but today is 9th.

[sonic wasp]

Tibo reset limits yestrerday

Apr 8th

but it didn't reflect for my business account.

[short linden]

Look like it extended the period time, so try contact the support.

[sonic wasp]

will do

[lime inlet]

Same situation for me.

I am also using a Business account.

[weak sparrow]

I've been running into an issue recently. For example, after I've already given Codex a few tasks, when I send it a new message, it sometimes seems like it doesn't read the new one and instead treats the previous message as the task and starts doing it again.

[plucky halo]

I’ve had this a few times too! Normally when context is getting full, I think

[obtuse river]

I get that in the Gemini chat app on occasion. I'd just stop and regenerate.

[eager forum]

does the 5h limit hit very quickly these days?

I just use for 1 hour and hit it with non-complex tasks

[cedar skiff]

i think a few ppl have been saying that lately, what plan are you on?

[eager forum]

business plan

[ruby lynx]

Dude im on free plan and I can literally burn through it all in 2 hours of idle usage

[plucky halo]

Yeah - I think it's due to the rate card change

[eager forum]

I have 4x business plan account and i can burn all of their 5h limits lol

[oak trellis]

so does that makes sense .. weekly gives you max 2 x 5h .. iam on 60% within the second already on plus .. 20 usd

so on high gpt 5.4 max 10 hours per week .. ?!

weekly is very fast now ..

[oak trellis]

you can cover 1 week ?

[eager forum]

almost

but now keeps hitting the 5h annoys

[oak trellis]

yes very fast right ?

[undone patio]

https://github.com/latentfidelity/par

open source AGI

i do not now

nor do i ever wish to unalive myself

if they come for me

[oak trellis]

anyone using pro and got limit hit ?

[undone patio]

limits only exist in your mind

[oak trellis]

remove them from codex for me please

[undone patio]

have you tried using money

[oak trellis]

no but start using mpgh forum ..

[cedar skiff]

when i see this sort of thing all i can think about is all the context pollution that it creates

[undone patio]

yeah

i solved that

[cedar skiff]

ofc you did...

[undone patio]

🤷‍♂️

[oak trellis]

yes thought the same haha

[undone patio]

pull the repo and try it

[cedar skiff]

no thanks

[undone patio]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ai-dance-cat-daning-RjVP4ZoxA3xeReLQT0

bro is so afraid of prompt injection he wont pull three.js

[cedar skiff]

Yeah it's prompt injection that stops me.

[undone patio]

lmao

c'est la the cookie rolls

[oak trellis]

-> post slop link -> add some edward snoden hype -> user getting re..t

[undone patio]

bro i havent heard the name snowden since like 2012

are you from the past

[cedar skiff]

youre only the 50th guy this week to invent agi by layering over llms.

[undone patio]

yeah but mine is better

[plucky halo]

"Cross-project No — siloed per chat A decision in Project A surfaces in Project B"

Codex already has memory across projects

[undone patio]

not everyone can afford or uses codex

[oak trellis]

my limits switched .. weekly goes faster than 5h

[undone patio]

^

[plucky halo]

Which Discord Server / Channel are you in?

[undone patio]

sorry i dont comminicate with low frequency lesser dimensionals

[oak trellis]

be humble ser

[oak trellis]

oy vey

[exotic cave]

Anyone else having issues with codex cli spawning agents that don't report back to the main one?

[ivory crane]

gpt6gpt6gpt6

[worn harness]

no

[oak trellis]

strange my limits jumped extrem fro no reason .. one prompt

[frosty zealot]

Little sneak peak at my codex app-server driven app, no bridge needed just straight to the app-server

I’m sure the discord compression and whatever else will make it look not smooth

[stiff portal]

hi. is codex down ? get timeouts

https://status.openai.com/ seems green

[ivory crane]

gpt6gpt6gpt6

[sand shuttle]

holy my suage dropped form 83% to 69% in a flash just thru some tool calls

abnd reading scripts

[boreal holly]

@orchid plume recommends https://github.com/rtk-ai/rtk a CLI tool that wraps certain tool calls to produce compact outputs.

I recommend https://github.com/robertmsale/.codex/tree/main/skills/command-parser skill, which lets agents run noisy commands and have a cheaper model parse & extract errors, warnings, and perform other analysis.

Also if the tool calls were long running commands, and the agent was waking up every 5 seconds to poll the command output, I have a https://github.com/robertmsale/.codex/tree/main/skills/command-execution skill and MCP server that when used in conjunction, makes them wait for the command to finish before polling.

[sand shuttle]

thanks

[hard drum]

even $200 sub can't save me from weekly...

[frosty zealot]

Are you using 5.3 or 5.4?

[hard drum]

5.4 high/medium split + 5.3-codex or 5.3-codex-spark in some of my subagents, and 5.4-mini where applicable, and maybe 5.2 somewhere else

i recently did a switch-a-switch accoridng to some recent user stuff on codex reddit

[plucky halo]

It's going to be a rough week for me!

[hard drum]

i had a weekly reset yesterday, and i'm already halfway there on the 2nd day lmfao

insane

[plucky halo]

Same!

[past prairie]

what are you building ?

[frosty zealot]

5.4 is much more efficient at tokens I wanted to do a comparison between 5.3 codex and 5.4 but I don’t wanna waste my own tokens

[hexed ingot]

Usage is being reset again today!

[hard drum]

these two, but sometimes switch to 3 or 4 stuff at once, usually working on openagentsbtw when needed, or some other project.

[plucky halo]

I hope so!

[hard drum]

https://github.com/xsyetopz/openagentsbtw this thing i recently modified

i use it for my codex stuff

https://github.com/xsyetopz/openagentsbtw/blob/master/codex/templates/config.toml this is the config

[frosty zealot]

Are you switching mid prompts?

[hard drum]

i meant 3-4 things as separate vscode windows + contexts

sometimes a grid of 4, or a grid of 3

[burnt peak]

Have they reset codex yet

[frosty zealot]

Like do you start 5.4 and then switch to 5.3 in the middle of it?

[hard drum]

rarely 5 windows at once for a quick one-thing on the 5th

[past prairie]

interesting, so you use vscode not the codex app

[frosty zealot]

Or do you stay as one model for the entire thread

[hard drum]

No, this is my agents doing the work

i switch between gpt-5.4 medium (edit mode) && gpt-5.4 high (plan mode)

[frosty zealot]

Oh ok I was going to say switching models resets your prompt cache if you do it in the middle which could explain large usage

[hard drum]

very rarely do i touch xhigh+high on plan/edit

[plucky halo]

Praise Tibo

[frosty zealot]

One more time

[hard drum]

Oh... so to reset, all I have to do is just switch-new-then-switch-back?

[frosty zealot]

I don’t know if switching back will restore the cache

I just know it happens when you switch

So try to stick to one model, I think sub agents using different models is ok but don’t change the orchestrator while you’re working in a thread

[hard drum]

I do stick to one only

i switch between plan->edit every time

and let my framework do the work, if codex actually decides to call it anyway

[frosty zealot]

Ok but your orchestrator stays the same so you should be ok

[hard drum]

aight!

if you know how to improve my framework, see the repo and do some changes, test locally... yaddabaddadoo

the hooks work exceptionally well!

[frosty zealot]

Effort levels is ok to switch too, it’s just strictly the LLM

[hard drum]

the hooks is the main reason i use it haha

it prevents some disgusting token waste and context pollution, second to specific personal data safeties

it also integrates playwright-cli as a toggleable, deepwiki mcp toggleable, (i need to integrate ctx7 cli), && includes rtk-rs

using rtk-rs here automatically.

https://github.com/rtk-ai/rtk this thing

framework made for the community, by the community (solo guy, i guess?)

if only Codex hooks were as complete as CC's hooks 🙁

codex-cli needs full hook support

[boreal holly]

Everybody says "don't build a harness! You'll spend more time building a harness than building real software!" True, but eventually it does pay off 🤓

[hard drum]

Any real AI tool user knows that you need your own agent system/framework anyway

using vanilla leads to the commonplace "slop" anyway

the more you use these tools, the more you learn how to customise it to your needs and desires

and you will need to do that anyway

i do things that would not be possible w/o my own framework for it

at least not in the way i desire/need

[boreal holly]

True. I have at least 4 agents running 24/7. One orchestrator, 3 QA, 3 workers. Any time a QA goes down a worker spawns, when a worker gets archived a QA resumes. I thought for sure having a setup like this would eat the quota but it seems to be pretty reasonable

[hard drum]

doing this now

[boreal holly]

I narrowed it down to 3 things

1. As you mentioned, disgusting token waste. It's real and it hurts. Rtk appears to be the easiest win.
2. Using peer threads instead of sub-agents. Idk how they do subagents, but peer agents are predictable and you have full control over how context is passed around. Sub agents, you're at the mercy to how OpenAI designed it based on user feedback.
3. Command execution: unified_exec=false sucks because commands are hard capped at 10 minutes and they can only run 1 at a time, so build commands can't happen. They also control the timeout, they start at something stupid like 5 seconds, and retry with exponential backoff to the 10 minute timeout and eventually give up, wasting tokens on timed out commands the entire way. unified_exec=true they can run infinitely long processes, but they wake up every 5 seconds and eat massive tool call outputs, or resort to killing a healthy process. I make em wait using MCP until the command finishes - a herculean effort workaround to eliminate the unified_exec=true downsides while getting the long process benefits.

[hard drum]

Narrowed what down?

[boreal holly]

The weekly precipitously dropping with vanilla configs and harnesses

[hard drum]

Also, pt.3 is interesting. What's that of?

And what are peer threads in Codex? Never heard of this 🤔

[hard drum]

ahaaa

[past prairie]

30 minutes to get mythos level into our hands ?

[boreal holly]

unified_exec=true enables background threads and a shared PTY, so the agents can spawn a process and check on its progress periodically. Agents are extremely impatient. In particular, I have built commands that sometimes take 45 minutes or more. The agents frequently wait like 60 seconds and then terminate the command, and try to fix something that's not real or fixable. I can't have a fully automated agent system if the agents decide to try and fix stuff that isn't broken. Also the waking up every 5 seconds to check on a process (you see the commentaries in the chat) is a waste of tokens. Forcing them to wait for long commands to finish keeps them from the 5 second polling loop waste and keeps them from troubleshooting their own impatience.

Peer threads are my way of saying all the agents I have operate as top-level "main" agents, but they work similarly to subagents. Orchestrators can spawn agents for a project, and they can communicate with each other, but they're regular threads, like opening separate CLIs.

[nimble terrace]

is there a source of the next gpt model releasing in 30 mins

or is it just speculation from those AI posters on twitter that always say a date and then when the date passes they move onto the next one lol

[past prairie]

just all the things I heard on X, including openai employees

but no it's not 100% sure

[nimble terrace]

yeah i've been hearing things on X aswell, although i will say this

they are usually right, but not on the specific date

usually either in that week or the next

[past prairie]

Yes it's just it's always the thursdays, tibo told "next week will be amazing" (something like that), he told uhm to a post about not having mythos before several months, he repeated the uhm in reference just some minutes ago, a leaker I follow a lot also spoke about this big week and in other post spoke about how good 5.5 is

[nimble terrace]

unironically i saw all of these posts lmfao

i will say, i am very excited but something in my mind is doubtful about today

i mean..when was GPT 5.4 released?

like a month ago?

i can't even remember with how fast these things are releasing

[past prairie]

they told they will release every month

[nimble terrace]

that's insane i didn't see that post, EVERY month? jesus

[past prairie]

yes more we advance faster it is

[hard drum]

Good information for my framework!

I'll see what I can do

[nimble terrace]

and i imagine stuff like Kaparthy's autoresearch and the way they can use GPT 5.4 to train the next model is definitely speeding things up

[past prairie]

yes crazy, it doesn't mean that it'll be incredible model each month but maybe today we'll be lucky

[nimble terrace]

idk i heard its an entirely new pretrain?

[hard drum]

This is why hooks are important.

[nimble terrace]

ok u might be right dawg

it MIGHT be today

[hard drum]

esp. when you're livestreaming

[past prairie]

yes I believe it was said by greg in a podcast about spud, and 5.5 is supposed to be spud

[past prairie]

I hope !

[nimble terrace]

what's their usual release times for models?

isn't it like in 30 minutes to an hour?

like as of the time right now

[past prairie]

yes in 30 minutes to an hour I think

[nimble terrace]

time to watch the latest episode of invincible and then hopefully see the new model release LOL

[past prairie]

I would more watch jjk haha

[nimble terrace]

oh dude ur right i haven't even caught up with season 3 yet

[past prairie]

You should !

[waxen terrace]

Chill guys

[cyan gyro]

reset just happened?

[nimble terrace]

hakari my goat is in this season

[plucky halo]

Yep!

[nimble terrace]

Nice

[plucky halo]

Which is nice because I was down to 1%!

[hard drum]

WOHOOOOO WEEKLY RESET!!!

TAHNK YOUOOOOOO

[glacial shadow]

wow, nice

[vital hill]

can anyone tell me the experience between codex desktop app vs codex in vscode

[cyan gyro]

1 min past, no new model 🙁

[past prairie]

let's just wait 20-40 min

[neat sinew]

The app sucks

[vital hill]

i've been using the codex desktop app, no issues. it lets me quickly switch between projects

just wondering if codex as a vscode extension reduces the code quality

[rain kettle]

I think the Codex app handles multi-tasking better and causes less issues when you have several agents working on the same file

[sand shuttle]

did they just reset limits again?

[past prairie]

yes

[sand shuttle]

dang nice

[rain kettle]

Yes, I'm happy like a little child

[sand shuttle]

i blew thru my limit in a single day

[boreal holly]

I love this! Orchestrator and QA working together to discover and fix real issues. It blows my mind how smart they are. They do more than "it's broken", they actually test all possibilities, record repro steps, take screenshots, and make worker tasks that are so well informed that the gpt-5.4-mini worker one-shots it and proves it with integration tests.

[nimble terrace]

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2042295688323875316

[waxen terrace]

Updates to Codex

Check the news on X

[twilit bluff]

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2042295688323875316?s=20

$100 pro plan is up

[stiff portal]

right time .

[vital hill]

[exotic cave]

the new 100$ is x5 then what is the 200$ plan worth x10?

[undone patio]

"dont build a harness" bros after they build a harness and get rich

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-office-dont-michael-scott-H3Gsg60KeSKOaBQASD

[iron coyote]

yess more free codex

[nimble terrace]

hmmm

[neat sinew]

Should I switch to Gemini? They're introducing more expensive Codex versions while making my subscription worse

[nimble terrace]

20x

[mint reef]

SO they are Turning themselves into Angravity's direction.
Reducing Plus subscription quota and introduring $100 plan........

[nimble terrace]

i don't think they ever mentioned reducing plus subscription quota

[glacial shadow]

wow 100$ tier added is great

[waxen terrace]

No new model 💀

[stiff portal]

i guess next week

[stark finch]

AMAZINNNGGGG

[exotic cave]

Yep i am with you, would like a new model news...

[hard drum]

YESSSSS

[desert junco]

the news is the $100 dol plan

[cyan gyro]

meh

[nimble terrace]

hmm

[final quail]

aka they want money

[untold pike]

of course they do heh

[glacial shadow]

blocking spam bots here left and right, keep it coming! 100$ plan is great

[final quail]

😂

[waxen terrace]

Its only a new plan, chill guys

[neat sinew]

The future isnt even paid AI, China is making better AI for free

[stiff portal]

when they can keep the stability and in the next weeks have a better model to do frontentd stuff also, it will be difficult for Claude Code

[desert junco]

someone abroad EUA is available to get this new plan?, I can't find it here

[waxen terrace]

Oh yeah i can now spend more money to Chat GPT, great news

💀

[final quail]

give us money

[glacial shadow]

only thing we have to beat is china, they are the real threat, whether its oai or anthropic that wins, wont matter much

china wants world domination, usa ai must beat CHYNA

[stiff portal]

i agree

[round rune]

So plus usage is being reduced?

[neat sinew]

As long as the list doesn't leak, right?

[stiff portal]

y mean EU ? yes i see it 103 euro

[untold pike]

Plus usage isn't being reduced, there's been controversy about changes of how the 5h and weekly window work but that's it.

[bright swift]

missed out on the whole day before reset because of travel 🙁

[boreal holly]

I thought the $200 pro plan was 6x, but they increased it to 20x? That's wild!

[desert junco]

I needed to login again and it works ty

[past prairie]

no spud ?

[desert junco]

can I use every limit on the plus, and then buy the pro and restart limit? lol

[glacial shadow]

limits have been reset

[stiff portal]

now it is clear why sora had to leave...they will need all GPUs they have to keep codex stable

[glacial shadow]

100$ plan is 3 dollars per day

[glacial shadow]

in my opinion, short video ai models is a waste of compute, its tiktok, wont make the world healthier

[stiff portal]

100% agree. The world does not need fake videos

[glacial shadow]

usa ai focusing on science (math) and coding (math again) is the winner and the golden ticket

[pearl pewter]

are they reducing the usage limits on plus subscribers? or how is the plus subscription changing?

[glacial shadow]

blocking all accounts spreading the rumor about plus being changed

[untold pike]

plus isn't currently changing

[last void]

Is it even possible to run out of quota. I’ve used it loads and never ran out and I’m only plus

[boreal holly]

Every AI company found their niche. OpenAI found Codex, Anthropic found Cowork, Grok found AI deep fake videos, Gemini found frontend design. We're starting to see a real diversion in product offerings!

[untold pike]

sticking your fingers in your ears doesn't help

[glacial shadow]

exciting time we live in, accessible tech for 100$ a month

[pearl pewter]

I quote:
"We’re updating our ChatGPT Pro and Plus subscriptions to better support the growing use of Codex."

How are you saying they are not updating plus if that is what they announced?

[lean lark]

OpenAI : I kinda don't care what the plan is. Just make it clear how many tokens I'm using and how many I have left. Every car has a gas gauge.

[pearl pewter]

it sounds like "we will reduce the available usage for plus users to cheapen the compute for more codex users"

[mint reef]

There was a 2x promotion for Plus users.
which ends today, so now your credits will be consumed more

[boreal holly]

Pretty killer deal when you consider cloud computing for other things costs anywhere between $5-$800k/mo. Meanwhile we get cutting edge compute with a stable price tag to do just build stuff 😎

[dense heron]

so plus usage will be nerfed?

[untold pike]

i was under the impression the 2x rate limit ended April 2nd

not today

[stiff portal]

and next week i guess a new model 😎

[untold pike]

it's already been reduced hasn't it

[dense heron]

nah bro, but like how much?

[lean lark]

Avoid run-away token usage: Turn off Fast mode, and switch models judiciously between Low, Medium, and High. You don't need a PhD to update the README and you don't want a beginner-level developer to refactor your project. Use the tools wisely. Don't just "set it and forget it".

[untold pike]

lol confusing, more promotions and pricing tiers than model development 😅

[boreal holly]

That sounds to me like "We are decreasing the 5hr limit and making the weekly longer"

[mint reef]

divided by 2

[dense heron]

nah bro i better go to claude atp

[ivory cairn]

Are they giving the 2x to the Plus plan too or not?

[boreal holly]

That strategy makes sense. They're trying to reduce peak usage. You get the same usage, but not all at once within the same window

[deft sable]

Only Pro

[plucky halo]

No, it’s to the lower tiered pro only

[deft sable]

applies to both tier

[deft gyro]

wut

arent

pro

[plucky halo]

Instead of 5x its 10x

Plus stays the same and full fat pro is still 20x

[mint reef]

They have had mentioned that temporarily we are giving 2x promotion offer to our Plu, pro members.
so it ends today...

[deft gyro]

6x of plus

[ivory cairn]

Ty

[deft gyro]

wait

[plucky halo]

Happy to admit I was wrong!

[deft gyro]

so did plus limits get changed

because pro limits were 6x plus limits

[mint reef]

so we all have been using 2x promotion in plus account.
which means, our credit is reduced /2

[boreal holly]

They're switching to token-based quota instead of request-based, and so the multipliers are adjusted

[dense heron]

my 5h usage just go to 50% with 1 prompt no way, plus is useless now

[deft gyro]

oh they finally switched the rate card 💀

time to shill 100 dollars to oai

[untold pike]

does anyone know how to have some people on Plus and some people on this new $100 Pro plan for business accounts?

[glacial shadow]

We are very lucky to have access to this for so cheap, its really insane, good people are behind these projects

[boreal holly]

Yeah $200 pro used to be 6x "messages", now it's 20x tokens or whatever.

[glacial shadow]

even 200$ a month is only 6 dollars per day

[boreal holly]

No more avacado toast 😏

[exotic cave]

You are short sighted, video ai models are needed not necessarily as what Sora was but it shows the model understand the world around if it can mimic it well.

[dense heron]

so plus is useless now?

[haughty cradle]

no?

not necessarily

[dense heron]

let me see

[solemn acorn]

sora contributed nothing to openai's lineup except burning money

[dense heron]

you drain it with 2-3 prompts

[plucky halo]

I’m going to delete that so no one actually does it

[solemn acorn]

all it did was tarnish their reputation as a company

[boreal holly]

I was gonna say you gotta add --no-preserve-root 😂

[stiff portal]

the 5 hour limit is reduced. the weekly not ....but if y have a big codebase, yeah it might be usesless

[vital hill]

i'm on plus and refuse to pay more

[exotic cave]

Good for you.

[dense heron]

this gonna be annoying

[plucky halo]

The modern day “delete system32”

[glacial shadow]

well you cant expect to code for 8hours a day, 5 days a week, on a 20$ per MONTH plan. lol. that would cost you a hired developer which is thousands a month

or a 4 year swe degree

[vital hill]

i never hit max usage so $20/month is perfect

[pale rose]

Are plus limits reduced then other than the 2x promotion expiring?

[deft sable]

Copilot is good alternative. What they are offering now is generous imo. Just plan your prompt well so it can run longer.

[plucky halo]

For context, we pay our Indian dev team £10k a month

[haughty cradle]

Wdym? I have plus and I can use it for like a few days

[haughty cradle]

Isnt copilot like really bad?

[untold pike]

codex was operating at a steep loss for the sake of being a first mover and user share, i'm not sure how close this is to approaching some sort of profitability but you can't really expect AI to get more capable AND less expensive right now

many of us are here on codex because claude was exposing closer to reality costs of llm code assistance

[haughty cradle]

They need to move people up teirs and over time downgrade our plans

[untold pike]

gotta make money sometime

[haughty cradle]

Like a jump from 20$ to $200 is too much and many people hesitate or just disagree, while 100$ is fine

[untold pike]

ill leave how much is acceptable to individuals

im not making that call for other people

[deft sable]

It’s good now (using the CLI). It works well for my use case as long as the skills and MCP are set up properly. I use both plans, so for longer tasks that might use up a lot, I usually have Codex put together a well-structured implementation plan first then pass it to Copilot

[haughty cradle]

What model does copilot use?

[dense heron]

my 5h usage just go from 70% to 44% with 1 prompt

[haughty cradle]

Are you using a heavy prompt?

[vagrant lily]

does that mean the 200$ is 20x?, bcs i swear it was like 8~x more than plus not even 10x

[dense heron]

i just tell codex to optimizate my project

[potent mason]

Oh nice they changed usage, is it 10x for $100 (until May 31st) and 20x for $200? Has anyone tested how the new limits feel? (Like are they much better since they went from 6x to 20x or did they downgrade the base unit to adjust for this)

[haughty cradle]

25 prompts and still at 85% 5h usage, currently on Plus Plan

[boreal holly]

I have to admit, I felt the same way at first, but the difference when you actually make the jump is so significant I found it to be worth it.

[vagrant lily]

fr, i have 200$ and it wasnt even 10x the 20$ lol,

[dense heron]

mm, thats weird, my usage drain so fast

[haughty cradle]

So Copilot is doing a 3rd party hosting?

[untold pike]

copilot is github github is microsoft microsoft already hosts many of openai's models

they have a stake

[haughty cradle]

Azure?

[untold pike]

yes

[crystal flint]

Are the prompts heavy. Are the new limits usable rn

[glacial shadow]

I think some people 1-prompt the creation of an entire huge website

yes that will use a lot of usage. lol. an entire complicated website. come on.

[haughty cradle]

Just planning and I'm currently working on training my own AI, and making a app to easily gather data. Its pretty advanced but my usage is okay.

[deft sable]

I believe the GPT models are hosted on Microsoft servers (I mean, they have access to GPT models since they own a stake on OAI). And to be clear, I mean GitHub Copilot, not Microsoft 365 Copilot.

[haughty cradle]

Microsoft funds openai via azure credits while openai uses those credits and gives them back for training. That's an AI bubble!

[haughty cradle]

Yea most likely, they also have a partnership with OAI for azure credits and its causing an AI bubble

[deft sable]

I think it depends on your use case, but the limits definitely dropped quite a bit after the recent 2x promotion ended.

[dense heron]

guys right now i use plus subscription, should change business? i dont know what adventages business give, and i dont know if is more expensive or is just a subscription like plus

[haughty cradle]

Is there a promotion for plus rn?

[haughty cradle]

For bussiness you pay 25$ per person but its a minimum of 2 people so you pay $50 per month for another account.

[bright swift]

yes 2x usage until may 31

for all plans basically

[deft sable]

Only for Pro

[dense heron]

oh so dont worth it for only 1 person

[crystal flint]

I'm more worried about the 5 hour cuz I only use it a few days per week, but normally I only use about 30-50% of the old 5 hour limits per session so hopefully it should be fine

[little shore]

Regarding this, did they bump up the usage on the 200usd pro plan than right?

[haughty cradle]

Dang, why are they so nice. I would like OAI to continue making better models and satisfying customers that way, not via more usage. They are currently burning through their profits.

[haughty cradle]

Yea or you can use one account and if you run out swap accounts and keep context.

[deft sable]

Reading the comments on r/Codex, I think the 5 hour-limit is what got nerfed. OAI also said this

The Codex promotion for existing Plus subscribers ends today and as a part of this, we’re rebalancing Codex usage in Plus to support more sessions throughout the week, rather than longer sessions in a single day.

[olive sandal]

I just did two small prompts on Plus subscription:

5h limit goes down super fast now lol

[dense heron]

1 prompt just drain me 40% of 5h usage, this is bad

[short linden]

hmmm I'm pay $200 for pro pack in the last month, now price decrease to $100, so what's happend with current user ???

[crystal flint]

I checked reddit and it said 5 hour is now equal to 15% of weekly instead of 33%, but the promotion also ended. Does that mean it's reduced by 75% 💀

[round rune]

Ai prompt engineering

[twilit bluff]

2x usage for pro users

[plucky halo]

It's not a price decrease - it's a new pricing tier. $200 plan still exists

[short linden]

Ok, that good. 🥱

[dense heron]

yo extremely high really worth it with the new codex update? or should use medium and high

[haughty cradle]

Same 5h usage is going down like crazy now

Right after the introduction of $100 plan

[boreal holly]

Ohhhh it makes complete sense now why 1 prompt nuked 40% of your 5h. You should definitely use medium

[short linden]

it's worth when you refactory the codebase your project ... like from pure script into framework language.

[dense heron]

but if i need something complex? what i should do? extremely high worth it for complex system or should just use high

[dense heron]

ohh but for make a new mechanic, i can just use high?

[ornate jolt]

100 dollar plan??? yay! i can finally ditch claude!

thank you gpt gods

[haughty cradle]

Why?

Is it that bad?

[topaz tree]

Now this is crazy thank you sm openai, the 100 dollars plan OMGGGGG

[short linden]

yes, high is enought.

[dense heron]

okay thank you, i hope the 5h usage is enough for all i wanna do

[boreal holly]

You should use medium. High is only ~2% more accurate for 33% more tokens. Xhigh is quite literally 0.3% more accurate than high at double the token cost.

[dense heron]

cause the weekly is enough i dont spend a lot, i always have about 15% left

[haughty cradle]

Where do you see this? I always use Xhigh?

[haughty cradle]

Same here, right after the update it crashed and burned

[ornate jolt]

well gpt is WAY more accurate with code always has been, but terrible ui design so i use free gemini for that but my main reason is the amount of usage i get by default for 20 dollar plan is awesome for a few days but 200 was always way to much usage for the price for what i do but the claude usage limits are freakin awful so 100 dollar one is perfect for me

[dense heron]

and until today I used extremely high for everything 💀 But somehow it lasted me up to a week and the 5h didn't run out, but now it can't be done

[dense heron]

me

[ornate jolt]

and dude i was just spending all day today to choose what to spend me money on to cause its getting close to me having to renew this is perfect

[topaz phoenix]

Imagine how bad luck i've got they reset all users weekly in codex in same time that my weekly was about to reset

[ornate jolt]

oof

[twilit bluff]

only 1 hour

[boreal holly]

https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-4-mini-and-nano/

I stand corrected. Here's the metrics

Medium -> High: 0.3% more accurate at 33% more token usage
High -> Xhigh: 2.1% more accurate at 100% more tokens
Medium -> Xhigh: 2.4% more accurate at 133% more tokens

The clear choice is Medium

[ornate jolt]

100 dollar plan?

[twilit bluff]

$20

I'm on plus, planning to upgrade to $100

[ornate jolt]

this why 100 dollar plan is perfect

[plucky halo]

Some men just want to watch the tokens burn

[ornate jolt]

usage limits is already generous by default with gpt

[short linden]

Ok, now I see it, $100 = 5x, $200 = 20x usage hehe

[ornate jolt]

id never use that much usage lmao

i tried

[twilit bluff]

agree

you can't have this in claude

[ornate jolt]

dude fr and the last thing they did was release a new model...to only rich ceo people

direction claude is going is sad

also openai has always had better coding models in my opinion it only does what you want it to 90 percent of the time and not add random things

[dense heron]

dawg only 2.4% i tought was way more

[ornate jolt]

ive always thought medium was better to haha

[topaz phoenix]

also antigravity got f up and claude one prompt and says You're at limit so only codex is good now ig

[ornate jolt]

yea fr

google...billllions of dollars to produce the worst software i honestly thought they would have won by now

[topaz phoenix]

Same thoughts

[sleek tusk]

Tell me you have tried Gemini in Google Sheets without telling me you've tried Gemini in Google Sheets

[ornate jolt]

i used to work for a game company and the only prs they would except was from code on codex because it didnt make up patterns and stuff just reused what was there

[ornate jolt]

its more like what you do for work id imagine google ai with google sheets and docs and such is awesome i just dont use those

[haughty cradle]

where is that cited?

[sleek tusk]

You'd be wrong my friend.. Chatgpt vastly outperforms Gemini inside google sheets.

[ornate jolt]

hmm like i said i have no idea i dont use it

remember when there was classes on that software? haha

[boreal holly]

Exactly! Most people do!

Xhigh is substantially better at other things, such as non-coding tasks. Scientific research and stuff. But under coding workloads, Xhigh is diminishing returns.

[plucky halo]

He literally gave you the link

[ornate jolt]

anyone currently using the 100 dollar plan? and if so do you get the fun faster model i forgot what it was called

[boreal holly]

It's not my fault ChatGPT can't read the benchmarks on that page

[ornate jolt]

lmao

[sleek tusk]

My company has been heavily reliant on google sheets for a ton of daily workflows. I've systematically eradicated these, i excrement you not, 50+ different daily sheets, into an internal intranet build 100% by codex.

[dense heron]

i see, so is better just use medium, almost the same perfomance for 100% less usage

[ornate jolt]

more reasons to use codex

thats awesome

codex the only ai for real world work

claude is way to wanting to add more bloat and gemini...well is gemini

[vital hill]

same but on a private wordpress site using ACF for custom metadata imported from google sheets

[sleek tusk]

Gemini is Ralph Wiggum.

[lost stag]

Anyone know how to connect codex to git?

[torpid trout]

Did codex just get lobotomized?
I’m having it saying „working on it right now“ when it really does nothing

Had that only with ChatGPT in past, never with codex. Seems it’s now also gaslighting there? 🥲🥲

[ornate jolt]

alright im on pro now

[lost stag]

When I download the ext it doesn't ask for the account

[sleek tusk]

Have you tried Gemini inside Google Sheets? It's an.. experience

[boreal holly]

Precisely. Even if medium has to two-shot a task that xhigh would one-shot, it still costs fewer tokens to two-shot with medium.

[sleek tusk]

Oh dear, say it aint so joe

[vital hill]

no i haven't but some sheets we have have dozens of columns and thousands of rows

gets real mssy

[sleek tusk]

If your sheet isn't in double letters columns wise, it doesn't qualify as a sheet :p

I just finished moving our sales analysis from sheets to the website.. Took about 2 days dismantling that beast

Something I built 3 years ago.. I opened that crap up and was like "I have no memory of this"

[ornate jolt]

i trust catalyst on sheets

[vital hill]

wordpress is more flexible since you can fully customize the code

[sleek tusk]

As long as you don't eat crackers in bed you're welcome in my sheets 😉

[plucky halo]

What a weird thing to gatekeep

[haughty cradle]

might be this:

[dense heron]

i see, but what model i should use? gpt 5.4 mini or gpt 5.4

[boreal holly]

I would at least try 5.4-mini high for simple stuff. Wanna change the color of a button? Mini is perfect. Wanna build a whole new feature with rich architectural details? 5.4 medium

[twilit bluff]

that's claude though

[haughty cradle]

I though you use claude, I saw you mention that before

my bad then

[twilit bluff]

ahh yeah I did used claude provided from my company, the screen shot I showed was the codex one haha

[boreal holly]

If you're using sub agents, I would have 5.4 medium be the main agent, and the sub agents be 5.4-mini. Make the main agent provide enough details to the mini agents so there is zero confusion about what they're doing and they can one-shot it effortlessly.

[haughty cradle]

Oh well then? Are you on plus plan by any chance?

[twilit bluff]

codex? currenttly, yeah

[dense heron]

i see, using codex like this you think i can save the 5h for the enough time?

[haughty cradle]

I'm running into many limits right after the introduction of $100 plan

mostly on 5h plan

[dense heron]

i see, but i dont use sub agents, they drain a lot of usage

[cedar skiff]

10x usage for $100 plan o.0

[boreal holly]

With mini-only you probably will never hit the 5hr. I think you can get 5x more usage out of mini. But they're less accurate. In my testing they're very capable, but they do drift or misunderstand things, so you gotta really engineer the prompts to remove all ambiguity.

[dense heron]

i think gpt 5.4 worth it, anyways i dont use codex that much, and the language i use is not that expensive so maybe sometimes i can save the 5h usage

[boreal holly]

They changed the rate card to purely token-based so the scaling is different now. The $200 is now 20x tokens, before it was 6x messages. I have noticed my weekly is decreasing slower since the new update! It is pretty awesome

[cedar skiff]

Did they shrink the plus plan in the process of this?

[boreal holly]

They shrunk the 5hr window. The weekly window is the same. Basically load balanced the plus plan

And apparently got rid of some 2x promo

[cedar skiff]

ok thanks for the update

5.4 mini is great for quick hitters

[past prairie]

Are you guys using gpt 5.4 pro sometimes ? I'm vibe coding really all days but never really saw the utility to use the pro

[glacial shadow]

they definitely gave us more usage

[short linden]

we not using gpt5.4 pro, 5.4 is enought, just select medium or high.

[twilit bluff]

yeah same, it burns faster after the resett

[past prairie]

I know for the basic 5.4 but there must be a cool usage of pro

[primal reef]

which plan currently has the most usage limits, plus or business?

[boreal holly]

Very rare occasions I will use it for something. The other day I had it design a Flutter+Rust integration test thing. Basically sometimes if you ask a coding model inside a codebase to design something, and they look at some section that looks broken, they'll design around bad assumptions. So I use the Pro model when I want a fresh perspective and zero bad context.

[little magnet]

is that normal that codex on 5.4 high hits limit just after 30 min of work?

[haughty cradle]

I agree

[short linden]

plus plan shouldn't use high, just stay mini or medium.

[dusk thorn]

LETS GO I USED 55% USAGE IN A DAY AND IT GOT RESET I LOVE CODEX

[hard drum]

love that i gotta update my framework to support the new pro split

&& also support Go subscription at that point too

[hard drum]

Go < Plus < Busines (Plus+) < Pro 5x < Pro 20x

Business is basically Plus+

[glacial shadow]

to me, the plus plan is for like "help, i miss placed my vacation pictures folder somewhere on my pc, can you find it?"

[dusk thorn]

Plus plan can be super optimized if you use it right

[glacial shadow]

and not "hey, can you build a complete website at around 20,000 lines of code?"

[glacial shadow]

yes definitely

[cedar skiff]

i got plus around when 5.3 codex came put and it was double usage, took 3 days to burn the whole thing on double usage with no agents or workflows.

[boreal holly]

Ngl I have used codex as a disk cleaner 🤣 it finds literally all of the trash

[haughty cradle]

Is it safe?

[dusk thorn]

Yeah I wish I could do pro plan from my plus but 100 bucks a month ain’t cheap

[boreal holly]

mkdir /tmp/disk-cleaner && codex -C /tmp/disk-cleaner -s workspace-write

It asks for approval for all cleaning commands

[haughty cradle]

Oh I though you use full access?

[boreal holly]

In my config.toml I have danger-full-access, because the app-server does this weird thing where MCP tools inherit the global config sandbox. But I always spawn my agents with workspace-write

[dense heron]

bro im using codex with medium usage and gpt 5.4 mini and with like 6 normal questions it drain 4% 5h usage, this isnt normal

[boreal holly]

Or you mean full access for the disk cleaner? Yeah I do not want it to autonomously clean stuff lol I do wanna review their commands

[past prairie]

Ok that's how I see it too, but then really rare

[boreal holly]

• What OS?
• CLI, Desktop, or VSCode?
• What version?
• What features enabled in config.toml?

[dense heron]

windows, codex app, gpt 5.4 mini and im using the default setup

[boreal holly]

By default setup you mean config.toml is totally empty?

[dense heron]

yes

[toxic torrent]

so prior to todays changes... pro $200 was x what the plus plan?

[dense heron]

i dont know why it drain so much

the 5h usage

[boreal holly]

Try adding this to your config.toml

[features]
# Ones I care about
view_image = true               # Handy, obvious
unified_exec = true             # Enables uncapped command running
steer = true                    # Enables mid-turn and inter-agent communication, vital feature
apps = false                    # Need to find use for this (what apps are available/worthy of enablement)
tui_app_server = true
memories = false                # Disabled for now, worth considering, requires testing
#memory_tool = false
#sqlite = true                  # Potentially default enabled, don't wanna regress
plugins = false                 # Need to understand what makes this different from apps/skills/mcp
codex_hooks = true              # Much better running-state tracker

# Ones I don't
multi_agent = false             # Wrecks weekly rate limits
shell_zsh_fork = false          # Drops back down to synchronous 10 min cap command execution
collaboration_modes = false     # UX variants managed by hand
# collab = false                  # Deprecated (multi_agent)
codex_git_commit = false        # Managed manually
fast_mode = false               # Achieved through concurrency
responses_websockets = false    # Absolutely gobbles rate limits
responses_websockets_v2 = false # "I want 0% weekly as fast as possible"
voice_transcription = false     # Wispr Flow
undo = false                    # Conflicts with version control
js_repl = false                 # Just open a terminal

[potent mason]

Does anyone have a link on new usage limits? I can't find anything specifying that 200 plan gets x20 (even though it's inferred)

[true bane]

hmm hit my 5 hour limit on plus for the first time ever and there's 2 hours to go. bad sign.

[boreal holly]

It's fragmented. Here is the rate card: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001106-codex-rate-card

They switched to token-based. No explanation on how many credits each plan has, only know the scaling factor

[dense heron]

what this do?

[boreal holly]

When Codex auto-updates, some of those features get default enabled even if they don't exist in config.toml. This is my personal list of features that I've thoroughly tested for optimal quota usage. I marked each feature with observations. responses_websockets may no longer chew through quota with the new update but the rest are afaik still applicable

[dense heron]

so with this the usage is more efficient?

[boreal holly]

The only catch is if you're using desktop, you likely don't get to choose the underlying codex version, so OpenAI can always introduce bugs that chew through rate limits. I'm working with v0.116.0

[dense heron]

you work in vs code?

[boreal holly]

I work in Robdex 🤪

[dense heron]

dawg

codex app is good?

[glacial shadow]

yes, ai for general system management is great, its worth a sub just for that

[boreal holly]

The official desktop app is OK, but I like to customize

[dense heron]

ah

[meager elm]

what's the point of giving $100 in credits away if I hit my weekly limit after 2 hours using 5.4 mini

[dense heron]

in pro???

or plus

ah

mb

[meager elm]

I don't have a subscription, I claimed the student credits

[little magnet]

after 11 min i hit limit

[dense heron]

this new usage limit update is so bad, i hope they do something about it

[meager elm]

so the $100 of api credits was just a marketing stunt? we can only actually use like $5?

[vagrant cradle]

we’re increasing Codex usage for a limited time through May 31st

Is this for the new 100 PRO plan only, or increased for Plus also?

[nocturne folio]

announcements from this server is like opening a cs2 case

[dense heron]

only pro

[vagrant cradle]

okey thanks

[nocturne folio]

klarna on openai subs when?

i can buy a costco hotdog on klarna

[little magnet]

i cant even fix my units ;O

[plucky halo]

This is like that 3d simpsons episode

[twilit bluff]

where did you gett that

it's literally 10x the usage of plus

[meager elm]

From the announcements tab

[twilit bluff]

have you tried the pro $100 plan?

[boreal holly]

It's to get people hooked. Once they experience 10x Pro and it drops to 5x, they're gonna be clamoring for the 20x 😈

[meager elm]

No, I usually use claude, i'm only trying codex cause of the free credits

[twilit bluff]

at this point you're just rage baiting

[meager elm]

How so, I got $100 of free credits and 2 hours later I'm at 2% weekly remaining, I used 5.4 mini

[twilit bluff]

sorry, I am just confused by what you've said earlier lol, but looks like you are on free plan though

free plan does hit rate limit faster

[boreal holly]

If you have $100 in credits, that's 2500 credits. I'm pretty sure once you hit 0% it'll start burning those credits

[meager elm]

I'll try proompting more

[plucky halo]

Genuinely impressed with you reading 'Upgrade to Plus'

[boreal holly]

Go here if you wanna see your credits remaining: https://chatgpt.com/codex/cloud/settings/usage

Also just noticed they got rid of cloud code review quota

[kind jay]

Is it available somewhere? I would like free credits

[kind jay]

Also API credits !== Codex credits?

[meager elm]

announcements tab

[kind jay]

I don’t see it

I found it

[frosty zealot]

Open your peepers

[kind jay]

It was up more!

[frosty zealot]

Sure sure

[kind jay]

If it was $50/mo, I'd consider it

[lofty steeple]

why does it feel like the 5h got shrunk? plus plan

[kind jay]

Because it did

It was 2x usage for a while and it’s gone now

[lofty steeple]

damn

[dense heron]

hell naw bro,gpt 5.4 and medium, 1 prompt take 11% of my 5h usage

[kind jay]

Game over

[lofty steeple]

yea it feels like 20 msgs and the limit is over

[frosty zealot]

I thought I read they were keeping 2x till May 31st

[kind jay]

Okay Mr. Pro plan

[dense heron]

i never worried about the 5h usage, until now

[dense heron]

only pro

[frosty zealot]

Oh ok I’m on pro so I’m good

[kind jay]

Wasting money speed run any%

[frosty zealot]

Like Britney Spears says

I can’t actually quote it or I’ll get my pee pee slapped

You better work bi%#!

[kind jay]

I quoted the Walter White confession and I got muted

[frosty zealot]

Lmao

[kind jay]

This morning some guy dropped all his information in the chat so I thought it was funny

[frosty zealot]

In here?

[kind jay]

🤖 did not think it was funny

[kind jay]

Yeah, I think it got deleted

[boreal holly]

The 2x applies to the $100 Pro plan only afaik

[kind jay]

That's the third time it was said, hopefully he understands now

[boreal holly]

I just don't want him to be disappointed that the $200 plan doesn't have 40x 😂

[frosty zealot]

Too late

[potent mason]

Is this on plus?

[dense heron]

yep

[frosty zealot]

Brave if you to assume I can read

[potent mason]

Ah they probably modified the base unit then (since they are giving 20x to $200 plan they can't have the base $20 unit be too big)

[kind jay]

New pfp scared me

[boreal holly]

Cacaw

[kind jay]

I think pro might still have double usage limits

[frosty zealot]

More like a hoo

[kind jay]

I'm not sure though

[dense heron]

i dont have enough money for pro

[kind jay]

^^

[frosty zealot]

I figured if Jane can identify as a she wolf I can be a stoic owl

It IS 2026 after all

[real blade]

Can someone help me? i have chatgpt plus but i am not able to have the 5hr hrly limit?

[frosty zealot]

I want a bot in here that keeps count of how many times usage limits is mentioned in a day

[potent mason]

No everyone's double usage ended on April 2nd.

Now the new plan ($100) has double usage but they're the only ones

[real blade]

is the 5h usage gone?

[dense heron]

it drain so fast now

[real blade]

no

its like

its not there at all

for me

my weekly usage got depleted in like 1 hr

[kind jay]

I don't care, I ain't paying all that

[real blade]

wth

[kind jay]

Not possible, stop lying for attention

[boreal holly]

I hope the $200 Pro plan is not double usage limits right now because I'd be looking at a 3 day week

[dense heron]

the weekly usage is the same, they only change 5h usage

[frosty zealot]

Technically, with the rate increase, it would be cost effective to, at least while the promotion is active.

[kind jay]

5hr limit << Weekly limit

[real blade]

There is no 5hourly limit

[frosty zealot]

Think of all the stuff you could do

[real blade]

shown

here

[dense heron]

weird

[potent mason]

ok? That response feels kinda weird. You mentioned pro had double usage I told you they don't and you follow up saying you don't care you're not paying that?

[real blade]

yesterday it was showing

[plucky halo]

It is!

[real blade]

5 hour limit

today its not

[potent mason]

It's not, only $100 plan has double usage right now (from what I understand)

[kind jay]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-2047466162835898859

[boreal holly]

Yikes... I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed that we're all experiencing a real-time mandella effect

[real blade]

where can i find help?

[kind jay]

Complain to support tbh, you can email them

[boreal holly]

Go here https://chatgpt.com/codex/cloud/settings/usage and take screenshot of usage limit bars

[frosty zealot]

#codex-discussions message

[real blade]

what does this do?

[frosty zealot]

Analyzes your token usage and gives you a report

[real blade]

the pastebin link is broken

[frosty zealot]

Sec

[kind jay]

They're gone son, no need for a report

[frosty zealot]

He’s building a Roblox project, the world needs him

I must help

[olive sandal]

just hit the 5h limit after like 30min of work

[deft gyro]

Why is everyone complaining about usage

The drain seems normal to me

[olive sandal]

it's normal since it's expected to be 1/4th what it was before

just doesn't feel good

[deft gyro]

What

1/4?

[olive sandal]

we had 2x promotion before, so that is 1/2, today they reduced it by 1/2 to spread out the usage across the week, total 1/4

[deft gyro]

Oh they halved again?

Really?

Source?

[frosty zealot]

https://pastebin.com/bn7Zn1Hr

[dense heron]

1 prompt just drain me 40% of 5h usage, is not normal 😭

[deft gyro]

Prompts dont matter

Stop saying prompt

[plucky halo]

prompt

[dense heron]

prompt

[boreal holly]

I prefer proompt

[frosty zealot]

Im a Preept kinda guy

[olive sandal]

#codex-discussions message

[kind jay]

prompt

[deft gyro]

If you aren’t prooompting

[kind jay]

Who(ot)

[frosty zealot]

Preempt

[deft gyro]

So weekly quota is the same

Who care

2% of 5 hourly for this session

this is reasonable

[carmine copper]

I didn't notice an increase in weekly usage drain on plus between yesterday and now. Only 5h usage is faster.

[deft gyro]

sorry

3%

it just changed?

[solemn acorn]

yay

[deft gyro]

despite me doing nothing?

anyways

idk how yall complaining about the usage

you get 20 dollars of inference every 5 hours on a 20 dollar per month plan

[solemn acorn]

I'm not having any apparent issues with the 5-hour limit

[deft gyro]

no matter what you say the api margin is

its a really generous deal

[potent mason]

Honestly it makes sense.

Codex usage has always been way to generous on $20 plan (before 2x increase it was $200 a month on $20 plan, I'm guessing it was something similar to that yesterday)

[deft gyro]

and rate limits will probably be multiplied by 1/5 or 1/10 eventually

[deft gyro]

sa,e

[frosty zealot]

Tht's just like, your opinion man

[solemn acorn]

are you using subagents or something?

because that'll burn through your limits quickly

[boreal holly]

Shut up Donnie!

[potent mason]

Honestly everyone complaining should try out claude, on the $100 plan I was going through 30% in one prompt.

[deft gyro]

wut

vro

u cant compare opus 4.6 to gpt 5.4

[solemn acorn]

opus is really expensive so checks out

[deft gyro]

sonnet 4.6 = gpt 5.4 in cost

and they are quite comparable

[solemn acorn]

I mean you can, they're roughly equivalent in capabilities

sonnet would be closer to 5.4 mini

[frosty zealot]

If you're complaining about your usage, but not running the script I've graciously provided, I don't want to hear about it.

[potent mason]

Opus is only about 60% more expensive, it would be the equivalent of about 20% being used up on one prompt

[orchid plume]

Pro 20x here, or I guess 40x while 2x is running, usage drain is definitely very slow right now 👍

[potent mason]

Yeap same here, it's awesome

[lofty steeple]

which script? will it make the usage go slower? xdd

[frosty zealot]

It will give you a report of where you're being wasteful

[lofty steeple]

ohh ok, where do i find it

[frosty zealot]

https://pastebin.com/bn7Zn1Hr
SINCE_DAYS=7 python3 scripts/analyze-codex-tokens.py

[lofty steeple]

thanks, gotta check it out

[deft gyro]

I think pro got a buff even without the 2x promotion?

am I wrong about that?

because plus hasnt had that big of a hit

and now pro is 20x

[frosty zealot]

Let me know if it provided anything useful

[deft gyro]

just get ccusage-codex

ong

its on the aur

so its easy to install

[dense heron]

where i put this

[frosty zealot]

Anywhere you want then just run the command

example output

 360 │ ## Likely Savings Opportunities
 361 │
 362 │ - Subagent usage is a major cost center: 788,837,243 of 1,510,970,364 total tokens (52.2%) are in subagent sessions.
 363 │ - Context replay dominates output: input/output is 341.7x and cached-input/output is 325.2x across the whole report w
     │ indow.
 364 │ - A small number of sessions dominate spend: the top 5 non-subagent sessions account for 472,729,630 tokens (31.3% of
     │  total usage).
 365 │ - The largest subagent hotspot is `019d5c22-7d8d-7dc1-9741-16dae575f3e8` in Conduit: 8 descendant subagents consumed
     │ 639,475,520 tokens, equal to 340.7% of the parent session's own token count.
 366 │ - The heaviest static instruction payload observed was in `019d5449-96de-7ce3-9640-6064ee49163b` (SyncMobile) at 37,1
     │ 77 characters, or about ~9,294 tokens before any repo/file context was added.

[orchid plume]

both pro 5x and pro 20x or a specific one?

pro 5x should be on 2x, pro 20x as well but as far as I can tell only if you were already on the $200 plan

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2042296046009626989

"Our existing $200 Pro tier still remains our highest usage option. And as a thank you to our existing Pro users on the $200 tier, we’re extending our 2x Codex usage promo (until May 31st) and we’ve reset your Codex rate limits (yes, again)."

[worn harness]

holy moly usage nerf is real

[boreal holly]

Looks like I have more optimizing to do 💀

[frosty zealot]

I expected more from you Rob

[worn harness]

are you on the 20x?

[boreal holly]

Apparently the 40x plan right now

[worn harness]

damn

[hard tulip]

i like never use spark how to use it so much lol

[boreal holly]

It goes by very quickly

[cedar skiff]

you can use it for tonnes of stuff, like quick edits, or quick answers, git flows

[potent mason]

I'm guessing it's only for $20 subs

[boreal holly]

I think if I switch QA to mini I'll be alright, but for now on 40x it looks manageable

[potent mason]

How... that's actually incredible

[worn harness]

earlier I got like 2 projects x 3hours of time in a session, now it looks like 1 hour or less max

[potent mason]

I haven't touched spark in a while

[potent mason]

Are you on plus?

[worn harness]

yes for now, but weekly limit also seems like x2 less

[frosty zealot]

Honestly the rate limits have been great for me

[potent mason]

Yeah they said plus had a 5h session nerf (so less usage per session but you get more sessions)

[exotic cave]

If this x40, oh well it'll continue till the 31fst of may then a downhill from there.

[potent mason]

Ah you got access to GPT 7000?

Honestly I tried it but I think GPT 6767 is still the proper one

[cedar skiff]

my usage dash isnt updating so i cant tell how the usage is

[dense heron]

this will make sense in 2500

[exotic cave]

@boreal holly at this rate you are going to bleed moneis if they don't bring about a model that is real good at one shotting things xD

[orchid plume]

I'm on the Pro 40x and I've used it for maybe 30 minutes so far, single agent though, GPT-5.4 high, it hasn't even moved from 100% yet 😂

[potent mason]

No bro trust me the model is real they just put it in the $69,420 plan because it's so expensive to run the 67T paramater model

[potent mason]

I'm running a couple chats at the same time on GPT 5.4 fast mode and got it down to 96%

[boreal holly]

Oh man, It's my QA agents. They're 5.4 medium, and they are non-stop testing the app in simulators and generating lots of tasks. I gotta drop em down to mini when 20x comes around

[exotic cave]

Harsh! 🔥

[glacial shadow]

What are you working on if youre able to say?

[dense heron]

gpt 7001 will be goated ✌️

[boreal holly]

It's an ERP software for HVAC/Electrical/Plumbing

[glacial shadow]

And is this personal usage or youre going to sell access to it

[potent mason]

Dude I'm working on something so similar right now but it's more geared towards club management

[orchid plume]

I like how Tibo said that today was just the small plan, the big plan is still to come. That can either mean there's a bigger plan being released on ChatGPT in the near future, or I hope he means a fairly improved new model

[deft gyro]

what yall mean a model thats good at oneshotting things

there is a model thats good at oneshotting things

its called 5.4

[boreal holly]

It's hosted, will feature a native app on all platforms including Linux

[frosty zealot]

He’s codex pilled

[potent mason]

I hope it's a bigger plan (maybe $500), with access to a bigger model (like Mythos level)

[orchid plume]

beyond my budget, $200 is enough 😄

[glacial shadow]

Very cool!

codex inside a Linux system is like practicing wizardry lol

we can walk anywhere

fly , even

[cedar skiff]

thats where the money is. In domain niches outside of coding/swe, all the devs are building in their domain because thats where they are experts. But currently every iteration of a model and the tooling the big players bring out makes that work worthless.

Talk to domain experts and find what they need

[worn harness]

I need ai, where if I say "make it perfect, no mistakes", it works

😆

[boreal holly]

People say the market is saturated with ERP software, but with AI we can actually start with zero technical debt and build real value 🤌

[cedar skiff]

yeah i could do with ai like that as well.

What im saying is there are a lot of gaps to fill with this new tech, but they are in domains outside of swe. And mostly the swe is still the person to implement it

[glacial shadow]

completely different industry now. the obvious "client wants x, i implement x" in way way way less time. also better software

[potent mason]

Yeap and personalize it to companies as well.

The reason most small to medium companies don't start using it is because you usually have to change the way your operations work, but with AI making customizing things from a base so easy it makes everyone want ot change

[glacial shadow]

clear divide between a dev leveraging ai and one that is stubborn and still handwriting code, its nice fun nerdy, yes, but old school now

and now a good dev can do more, focus on creativity more

[dense heron]

guys pass tips for make codex use less usage, i use medium and gpt 5.4 mini for tiny task and gpt 5.4 for normal tasks, but still drain me a lot of usage, what should do?(please tips)

[ornate jolt]

buy 100 plan

[potent mason]

Honestly I don't understand stubborn devs, I made a lot of software pre-AI and I was also stubborn to change when it was GPT 4 - GPT 5.1

The moment I saw GPT 5.2 though (and Opus 4.5) I understood. AI is not going to slow down, yes sure right now code will be better quality if written by a senior developer, but what they don't understand is that Mythos level AI and further are going to keep coming and eventually <1% of developers will be able to write better code than AI

[potent mason]

I don't know your situation so I can't really give you a suggestion but just wondering.

Are you building something to make money off of it? Are working at a company? Is it more of a hobby? Are you trying to automate parts of your life?

[warm pilot]

give the model more context.

[boreal holly]

It's funny, a lotta anti-AI devs don't realize programming languages are human languages, LLMs are the ultimate translators of human languages. You can still be a good engineer and use LLMs to translate your ideas into code!

[worn harness]

new thing = things change = I dont want to change = therefore AI bad

people rebelled against machines as well, didnt work out well

[dense heron]

is more like a hobby and make a bit of money with it, but is annoying worry about usage every time

[potent mason]

Here are some general ones:
One question per chat (maximum 2-3), if you are working on something new it should definetly be a new chat, if you are trying to guide the AI to understand then you're first prompt was probably fundamentally wrong and you now have more input on every chat turn and the way AI works (next token prediction) it's also more prone to go the wrong way and waste a ton of tokens (context rot).

Don't resume conversations. It is likely if you resume a conversation the cache has been invalidated by now and every single token (probably 10-100k) is now considered input token instead of cached input token).

You can try using GPT online to guide you into creating the plan (you ask it what the best way to implement something is, make a plan with it, once it's finished drop it into Codex). This will help you #1 not spend your time on solutions that are not ideal, #2 have better prompts, #3 prevent the bot from having to assume and cancelling midway.

Tell the model where things are (store things in AGENTS.md that are recurring), that way it doesn't bring in context it doesn't need

[potent mason]

Try Copilot I guess, I've heard they have really generous limits on $30 plan (if there's no way you can go up to $100 plan it seems GPT $20 plan will have it rough for a while)

[dense heron]

i will try this when my 5h usage reset

[potent mason]

Also don't use MCP servers (they waste a ton of tokens)

[pale rose]

My time resets... when? What timezone is that? If it's UTC it's already passed, if it my actual time zone, it also already passed 🤔

[cedar skiff]

ok i feels like i have much more usage, are we on double usage on all plans again, or is it only the $100 plan

[nocturne folio]

double usage still here

imma see how fast i can drain this (plus plan btw)

[vital hill]

what do you guys use/do to make codex suck less on frontend/UI

[orchid plume]

Impeccable skill helps a bit. Stitch MCP also helps

[vital hill]

claude sonnet is still the goat in that space

[vital hill]

google stitch?

[orchid plume]

yes

[cedar skiff]

i used to have the option for guardian mode in permissions on code app, but is seems to have be removed.

[frosty zealot]

Imagine if a model just said 'I genuinely do not know' rather than being like 100% confident in its finding only to be wrong

over nd over and over and over

You'll fit right in son

Make sure you argue every offer of help you receive and also don't give any information that may help others help you

The golden rules

[frosty zealot]

Sounds crazy but gemini has very generous free limits, use acpx and get codex to get gemini to build the front end pln or offer front end direction

Besides that, skills.

The problem I have with UI skills, is that every app that uses the same skills will likely end up looking pretty much the same

SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST

[vital hill]

right meow!

[cedar skiff]

just pick a ui framwork and be done with it

[frosty zealot]

Helps if you have a creative bone in your body too, like apple has HIG which you cna use to help stay standardized, but that doesnt stop you from doing something unique

[boreal holly]

That skill looks awesome 🤯

[frosty zealot]

Also:

https://getdesign.md/

[vital hill]

thanks. i'll check it out

[stiff panther]

Wasn't Codex supposed to half the rate limits for the Plus plan? Seems to me like it got much more than halved

[nocturne folio]

trial and error

[errant burrow]

some referral code for log in with runway AI?

[glacial shadow]

No this is a fake rumor, usages have been increased

[stiff panther]

Speaking from experience, not rumor

[obtuse river]

Might be a conflation with Anthropic's peak-hour throttling?

[waxen bramble]

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2042295688323875316

Will we be surprised by good or bad things? Time will tell... 🧐

[nocturne folio]

Apparently openai is the underdog

[hard tulip]

no this chat only shows there star gate that just started being made they use amazon and Microsoft for most of there compute and thats not showing on the chart

[cyan sparrow]

Get this man banned

😭

[naive tree]

1 prompt and 50% is used of the 5 hour is it lowered for plus subscribers?

[tired dagger]

There's no way plus plan will stay being this weak

[naive tree]

3 hours max working and plus plan is done

did they change somthing?

[tired dagger]

yeah they lowered plus plan a lot making it insanly weak almost not even usable at this point and made pro plan 100$ which prob works like plus plan did before

[naive tree]

yeah i think its time to switch definetly not worth i swear 1 prompt im 50% for 5 hour and 80% for week 😄

[tired dagger]

I know they are just to selfish at this point, if they aint fixing it they have ruined it completely

[south jetty]

The last message from Codex was sent at almost 6:00 PM, and now it’s 6:30 PM. It’s been nearly 30 minutes without any feedback on what’s happening but the “Working for…” timer. I’m not sure whether the model is actually processing something or if it’s stuck. This issue started a few days ago, and I’m unsure whether it’s a bug with Codex or with the third party UI I'm using (t3 code).

[undone island]

https://sora.chatgpt.com/invite?code=7W4A8C

[solar sleet]

the 5 hour rate limit is absolutely cooked after update.

[cyan sparrow]

Hi

[solar sleet]

paying 20 usd or what it is for it seems like 5 messages

what a joke

[cyan sparrow]

My profile good right?

[ornate jolt]

uh no 100 dollar plan ive been beating it all day 93 percent used and thats using fast mode all day on high

could be the increased limits to tho

[potent mason]

I don't I use Claude for that (as soon as a capable front end model from GPT comes I'm actually going to unsub from anthropic, don't like those guys at all)

[potent mason]

They didn't change plus limits as far as I understand (for total usage), they did however make 5 hour sessions much shorter.

So the 10x on $100 plan should be 10x from what you used to have on plus plan

[vital hill]

i'm still gucci

[ornate jolt]

i only work on like 1 project at a time anyways

[potent mason]

Yeah I've seen multiple people complain about the $20 plan, I'm guessing they made 5 hour session probably half or 1/3 of what it used to be

[ornate jolt]

which is a tiny smidge scummy but im sure its a marketing idea to push people to the 100 dollar plan

but to be fair the 20 dollar plan been cracked for a while

[potent mason]

It doesn't feel scummy to me at all, they're giving $200+ on a $20 plan

[oak trellis]

buy on mpgh forum for 10 usd .. save half

all my accounts now coming from there

[solar sleet]

Yeah would be acceptable if the ai actually could do stuff, but often take like 5 messages to even make it understand some c++ code parts

[ornate jolt]

eh regardless they are still way more generous then claude

[solar sleet]

littery after 3 messages on chatgpt 5.4

[oak trellis]

OH i got my limits reset

on my real account

so openai fixing the limit issues ..

[ornate jolt]

20 dollar account?

[solar sleet]

yes

[oak trellis]

they reset my limits ..

[ornate jolt]

hmmm im sure it will go back to normal once the limits reset maybe

[oak trellis]

wow yes so run 2x5h and was down 70% on weekly

[solar sleet]

dont be so glad yet, you run out of tokens in 5 messages

[oak trellis]

oh so they update their system and made it worse ?? about to start ..

[solar sleet]

pretty much

[potent mason]

Nah they made it much better

[oak trellis]

lemme type the first message then i report here

[potent mason]

I've been running all day on multiple projects and barely gotten it down 4-5%

[cedar skiff]

we have 2x though

[solar sleet]

I use 5.4 is 5.3-codex better?

for token usage

[potent mason]

It is slightly better

[oak trellis]

using 5.4 high let me check how much the first message consume ..

[potent mason]

Yeah so even without 2x it's still <10% on a day I've been going through a ton of usage

[solar sleet]

lmao

great

[potent mason]

New usage is amazing

[oak trellis]

oh wow one message 3%

[solar sleet]

yea and if it needs to think and go through different files

20%

[potent mason]

Yeah they definetly messed up the $20 plan

[cedar skiff]

seems like the nerfed the plus plan 5 hour and added a $100 plan

[solar sleet]

20 plan is pretty much as the same "free" was before

[solar sleet]

+1 message btw.

[oak trellis]

wow

[oak trellis]

so the new 100 is the old 20

[potent mason]

Honestly makes sense

People where probably too hapy on the $20 plan because no one needed more. They want to push people onto the actual programming plans

[oak trellis]

some reddit giga chad 100% tracked all the usage and have a nice comparison ?

after sora is out the focus is now more on codex.. study claude code etc.. makes all sense

[cedar skiff]

just get better at coding and everything else follows. Be better at tooling to run computers etc

[potent mason]

Well they said they didn't change the usage on the $20 plan (total usage), they did definetly modify the session usage

[oak trellis]

anyone on the 100?

[solar sleet]

cant understand are they lying or arent they testing their products?

[oak trellis]

sams mentor YC says sam is a notorious liar ..

that robot company openai worked with it kicked them out of their offices and end the partnership..

openai shares barly sold on the secondary market place .. everyone wants anthropic .. but that will also not end well (because of lies)

[cedar skiff]

google and anthropic teaming up to be the only competition and stroke each others back at the same time

[oak trellis]

new york times bought out an article ..

[potent mason]

Anthropic is so much worse than OpenAI though

[oak trellis]

100%

remember shareholder when they buy something 99% buy the top ..

[potent mason]

I'm on the Anthropic 100 dollar plan and 3 prompts finish my session usage

[oak trellis]

same

[sick axle]

Did 5.4 Xhigh just get dumber or did I challenge it/ need to start with a fresh context window?

[oak trellis]

yes

[cedar skiff]

They have better tooling to the business layer and a better model for general communication

[oak trellis]

so yes i think the AI bubble getting cooked and popped soon or later

sam just bought also a a podcast to init a pump and dump lol

i think openai will be the yahoo thing in the AI bubble

[potent mason]

Huh? A better model for general communication?

They provide absolutely no information on their usage (at least Open AI states a message range), most important announcements are made through someone like Tariq instead of their actual account, when you ask for support you're answered by an AI, you ask to speak to a human and I swear they sound like a bot as well, and so many more issues

[glacial shadow]

just get pro, new plan released today

[potent mason]

They change limits and don't announce it until later

[oak trellis]

is it worth it?

i mean its not the old 20 ?

[solar sleet]

prolly not worth it, just some other bs plan

[oak trellis]

anyone here tested it ?

[glacial shadow]

whats there to test

100 bucks, new plan

[oak trellis]

related to the limits ..

[glacial shadow]

no issue with limits, usage is great and generous

[solar sleet]

bro

[oak trellis]

on the 20 you mean ?

[solar sleet]

are you perhaps employed in chatgpt

[glacial shadow]

a tiny 20$ plan isnt for anything serious, its for, "hey chat i lost my photos folder, can u search my pc and find it, thanks!"

not "hey code this website with 987 agents, thanks"

[oak trellis]

what logic is that here:

[cedar skiff]

Yeah claude is much better at talking to ppl than gpt is, it balances its vocabulary and meets the user at their level automatically. It understands the nuances of conversation better and doesnt bloat conversation. It gets the balance and can read between the lines. Combine that with the tooling they provide for the business layer (which uses api btw) and you get a really nice experience using it to work in white collar situations.

[potent mason]

5x is $100 20x is $200 same as Claude

[glacial shadow]

yes i said above the pro 100$ plan is great

[oak trellis]

ok

[glacial shadow]

are you a bot?

[oak trellis]

?

[potent mason]

Dude stop complaining, go try the $20 on Claude, realize they don't even allow you 1 prompt and come back

[high girder]

As someone that uses both, I can confirm that the claude $20 was so tight you need max. At least you get a bunch more usage out of the gpt $20

[glacial shadow]

a 20$ plan is not for serious coding lol

its to try it out or use chatting features only

if you want to code, get highest tier

[oak trellis]

i used 2x 20 with 100 cc and it is for serious coding ..

[high girder]

Not really. Like I said, I use both, so I never run out on the $20 gpt. Its great for codex --exec

[glacial shadow]

20$ plan is less than a dollar a day, cant expect to code 8 hours with that

crazy

[oak trellis]

its always depend on usage .. if you AI slop yes get the 200 ..

[potent mason]

Perfectly said

[glacial shadow]

the usage limits we are given are so generous, we are lucky

[oak trellis]

but most people i know they are serious coder including me 2x20 and 100 cc was enough. .. i actually until recently never used codex heavly ..

[oak trellis]

all of them do the same .. its onloading customers profitable in 2-5 years .. totally normal ..

[glacial shadow]

so grateful to ahve inexpensive access to this tech

100 bucks, thats pennies

[potent mason]

Yeah unfortunately both companies have messed up those plans.

I use Codex for almost everything (anthropic $100 plan will get me 3 prompts every 5 hours, so I only use it for front end details), and I can tell you right now the $200 plan just got so MUCH better

I haven't tested it out but I'm not kidding I think I can probably get like 5k messages in a week

[oak trellis]

yes might i switch out of cc and go with codex 100 ..

everything right now with cc is lower garbage ..

literally have to always verify it manually or with codex ..

i didnt touch frontend really so no idea how its there ...

[potent mason]

Yeah they decreased the quality a lot, (I feel like GPT also did it but not to the same extent), hope they release the new models soon

[oak trellis]

something super strange the context window is full after 1-2 message ..

and yes the 20 usd plan is not usable anymore confirming that now .. it burned through 20% with few message

something off ..