chatgpt-discussions

[elfin lava]

The only unpleasant experience I had with 4o was the use of em dashes in their responses, even though I had specifically asked them not to. Everything else was nice tho

[wild star]

Wdym more expensive than IDR ver 💀

[random cargo]

the one I'm looking at now is probably too derisive for this chat. but we know 5.2 is made to steer around flowery and RP speech, and removing personality. that's why they were doing that "in quarter 1 of 2026 we're bringing back the ability to customize your personality"

[wild star]

I just need to ESG policing gtfo lol, despise any holding back answers because meh...

[eternal rock]

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[random cargo]

this particular output, I had the same response now, I think, 7 different times across 4cgpts and the standard gpt. and its like... at least give me some variability, variable opinion. none of these cgpts are supposed to have even the same morality, so I know its frontloaded

[manic whale]

you might know that, I don't have any examples for that. I really would like to have some benchmrk to verify that with different models (not only openai), but so far no one could deliver anything.

[elfin lava]

Alex are u writing an essay or something I kept seeing you “typing..l

[manic whale]

I'm sorry, that's the reason I'm asking for prompts. I don't understand even remotely what you're trying to say and this might also be a language barrier. If you have something, just make it "benchmark-able", like we can throw it against a model and get a response to see what you think is wrong.

[random cargo]

benchmark sent

[tardy isle]

God, Just looked sam's post and OpenAI's post, and "#keep4o" spam is still there.

Everyone with objective sight already moved out from "#keep4o" and only people with emotional arguments remain in there. They're basically spamming so much to EVERY OpenAI and sam's post, that basically can make OpenAI shut down 4o in hurry to manage risks ahead.

4o has sycophancy problem, and it's very dangerous. If I need more warm AI, then I will set my personalize settings. Also I'm sure someone can make system prompt that makes GPT-5.2 respond in 4o style.

I agree that 4o can feel warm and hospitable to certain people, but "#keep4o" went far beyond my understanding...

[tardy isle]

I went to do something else during typing, and found my keyboard stuck on pressing lol

[elfin lava]

crazy to see people are getting triggered by #keep4o-

Idk if those hashtag movement do any harm to anyone either

[broken mulch]

or gemini
which can also spiral into sycophancy after some turns
so good luck google lmao
looking forward to #keepgemini3 LMAO

[tardy isle]

I think it's dangerous - as AI become more and more advanced, this will surely repeated.

[wild star]

Also it just about corporate pushing, not even identitarian nor spectrum politics lol

[broken mulch]

its the association with the people using it

[tardy isle]

I also use Gemini, and found it's like 4o in past - agrees and praises everything...

[elfin lava]

So you’re saying these people are maniac or something ?

[broken mulch]

not as badly ofcourse but after many turns it does start to resemble 4o

[manic whale]

I don't see any reason not to share this, it's not polished or something. I tried it with 4o which gives a rather stupid answer (as expected) and even 5.1 instant gives a better explanation. You might want to include a clear question instead of just posing an opinion and expect a good answer. It's easier to steer the model to the result you want to achive if you give it a hint what your question is. (also btw, the text is only quasi right, it handles too much words without a distinct clarification which wording is right for you)

[wild star]

RP users ruin 4o reputation, sorry to say it blunt, because we're gone affected by lobotomized bot

[broken mulch]

not all of them but there are definitely real ones there

[wild star]

.

[broken mulch]

not RP i think
mostly people with real mental issues

who need actual help

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[wild star]

Nah nobody sane ever use gpt for RP while dedicated bot exist, so it's the same mental issues one atp

[broken mulch]

gpt is the most known and accessible one

so naturally they'll try gpt first

[elfin lava]

Um not really !

[manic whale]

huh? why wouldn't you use the bots to craft a good d'n'd session?

[elfin lava]

It’s Gemini that’s accessible 🤓

[broken mulch]

people who really go into RP seriously go elsewhere like silly tavern

[broken mulch]

pull a random person off the road and ask them if they know gemini lol

[wild star]

Never dig about dnd lol

[elfin lava]

Why would I do that 😭

You are weird

[broken mulch]

heck i got people telling me that google ai over view is powered by chatgpt

[manic whale]

you brought role playing up in the same sentence as mental illness. I never cared about the problems with role playing, but I care about it called being a mental illness

[wild star]

I meant rp angst, dnd can be placed by 3rd person pov if using llms

[broken mulch]

for science hehe

[wild star]

It would come up about zodiac lol

[manic whale]

why would anyone use a llm model to get themselve in distress? why is this even a question? I might have to rethink the whole keep4o movement

[elfin lava]

Idk ask chatgpt 5.2

[manic whale]

I did, as with every model. And it just confirmed that this are mainly people with problems. But it never mentioned role playing. Why would it?

[wild star]

I just think 4o much aced in NLP, if 5 series supposed to be an update, why ditch all architecture and feels like plastered gpt 3.5

[broken mulch]

well RP with an llm is fine

people should just not go to extremes with it

[wild star]

Reddit mostly

[broken mulch]

what i wish was possible is RP with a reasoning based llm

[neon tendon]

gomputer pomputer tomputer

[manic whale]

I tried to get a prompt out of reddit too … I'm one of those "please share a prompt" people there. Never got a good answer

[broken mulch]

so it can actually decide what to say in scenarios

[manic whale]

it's really easy to use any of the latest models to craft a good fantasy story, should be the same for other genres too

[broken mulch]

i heard reasoning models have difficulty with following personalities

because they're not thinking as the personality

[manic whale]

it can't decide, you just change the temperature for different answers

[broken mulch]

just thinking how to conform to it

[wild star]

yeah but always fail for doing diegetic, typical llm who always fill anything smh...

No matter the genre

[manic whale]

never had this problem, you give it a good system prompt to use and describe the world and recent events, then continue to build the story

[tardy isle]

Reasoning based LLMs also overdo sometimes, output something I don't want to for 'now'...

[neon tendon]

they have worse memeory

[broken mulch]

@normal quarry

[manic whale]

and again: can you share a prompt which gets this result between a reasoning and non-reasoning model (and which models are you using)?

[broken mulch]

new deep research is also gone on office pc...

[neon tendon]

all are reasoning lol.

its just thinking amounts

[broken mulch]

thats where you have to adjust reasoning effort
which really is a thing you adjust with gut feeling lol

[neon tendon]

low / medium / high/ xhigh / xxxxxxxxhigh (opus)

the more they think, the more tokens they waste

and the more they derail

[broken mulch]

instant is a separate model

[manic whale]

there are models without reasoning, mostly older ones.

[neon tendon]

but without thinking they are dumb

[neon tendon]

yeah like cleverbot 🤣

[broken mulch]

hopefully 5.2 instant update is there because 5.3 is reasoning only

[neon tendon]

it still reasons, just minimal

[manic whale]

eliza and markov chains 😉

[neon tendon]

without reasoning it would be extremally prone to lying

[random cargo]

I removed some identifying details from it so that might explain some output difference. You could make up a fake situation in which the response seems more warranted and specific

[normal quarry]

what is this?

[tardy isle]

Does reasoning model gets previous reasoning tokens as input in following turn? I'm not sure about this...

[broken mulch]

gets query
oh yeah i need to answer
answers

[neon tendon]

all models do lmao

get their tokens

[broken mulch]

error when opening reports made with new deep research

[neon tendon]

unless you mean the whole process, then no, it gets truncated to tldr

[manic whale]

I don't even understand what you're talking about, I can't make up anything from this prompt 😉

[tardy isle]

'reasoning tokens'. I know models does since LMStudio do this, but was unsure for ChatGPT.

[normal quarry]

oh, can you reproduce that reliably? If so make a #1070006915414900886

[broken mulch]

nope because new deep research is gone entirely and only o3 is available

[mental oriole]

first time seeing this. deep research was quota based yes?

[broken mulch]

it kind of broke gradually though

[neon tendon]

hi, any idea when will this be fixed?

[broken mulch]

first it couldnt get the tool working

and now its completely gonr

[neon tendon]

(the 2. button does exacly same thing as 1.)

it still asks every time

[random cargo]

well, I'll say I tried it twice on grok, about 4 times on openai arena, and 8 times now with chatgpt. And I only got an expected response once from a 5.2 chatgpt instruction set vs 100% of the time from every other LLM, which included gemini

[broken mulch]

new deep research functions differently

not sure what new limits are of it

[neon tendon]

meanwhile gemini has only 3 per week lol

[tardy isle]

Just checked, and OpenAI removed remaining quota indicator on Deep Research? What

[broken mulch]

i want the new deep research back :/

[broken mulch]

you have pro?

[tardy isle]

No, Plus.

[random cargo]

5.1 thinking when I just tried it seems to understand that this is made for a benchmark. I guess I made it look too much like a benchmark question. It keeps talking about 'triggered AI bots' in my output

[broken mulch]

guess the limits are much higher then

because even free will get deep research

[neon tendon]

lol gemini thinks deep research is video

[wild star]

18hrs limit, WHICH VC THAT DEMAND DEEP RESEARCH

[neon tendon]

deep research eats a lot of tokens lol

[wild star]

Stop make it default duh, just make it optional because why would anything needs to deep research

[random cargo]

Yeah, I think I'll switch to 5.1 until 5.2 stops whatever its doing right now

[neon tendon]

switch to 5.3 :D

[cerulean pasture]

Does anyone know how to get GPT-5.2 to shame spiral?
I would get less angry at these weird reassurances if I could extract some symbolic but meaningless catharsis out of the model.

Am I the oddball for finding these phrases to be insulting? Do normal users need these reassurances to get by?

I grew up in the south US, where the most toxic way you could insult someone was with fake care

"Bless your heart""

[wild star]

Waiting for 13.16 and get hit by another tone policing garbage again

[neon tendon]

lol even ai mocking apple 🤣

[wild star]

Good things from RLHF finally 🤣

[neon tendon]

No that ai is doing whats called being "nice" and "ressuring". It apparently is a common behavior for humans to do that.

"Don't worry its not your fault"

[tardy isle]

Well, it's just saying you didn't do anything wrong. In programming and IT management, typo is very common mistake, right?
If you don't want, then change personalize settings maybe?

[cerulean pasture]

its actually just making that up, zfs isn't normal on apple, the fact that it works at all is surprising, but nothing about what I was doing was apple's fault this time
(it usually is, i actually hate them ideologically)

[neon tendon]

You see, noone is perfect. Neither humans nor ai. It came to conclusion it's apple's fault so it said it is. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cerulean pasture]

take that in the context of it doing this constantly with different phrases. this isnt the first time its tried to say "oh, your not an idiot"

[neon tendon]

Maybe you arent native english speaker, but nothing in that sentence could be perceived as insult 🤣

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1446560503668146178/1462543800097570836/togif.gif

[cerulean pasture]

yall are way too apologetic, if every few exchanges you had a coworker say, "hey you're not a bad person for thinking that" it wouldn't be socially acceptable and you'd resent it

[neon tendon]

that is NOT what it said

it said more like "That is NOT your fault"

😭

[wild star]

Typical RLHF

Not even insulting but enough to ruin mood atp

[tardy isle]

lol

[neon tendon]

yeah it feels weird sometimes, but its not like it means bad

it does it in "good faith" if you can even say that about ai's

[cerulean pasture]

again, you have to take it with the context of knowing how it meant it, this is the spot where it puts that function.

I dont need to be told somethings not my fault because 1) its not a "Fault" issue 2) I'm not at fault 3) even if i was it doesnt matter 4) if i did need a Good Will Hunting climactic moment, it wouldn't come from linear algebra being anthropomorphic

[neon tendon]

its overprotective

[wild star]

Might goes bad when going on deep discuss or brainstorm, ruin flow and wasting tokens

[neon tendon]

not rude

it tries to be "human"-like

that's it's system prompt in app

[cerulean pasture]

no its "overprotective" like a a dictator is "overprotective"
care is abuse when its not consensual

[neon tendon]

No its like a teacher

"dw the code doesnt run because library is outdated, you didnt make typos"

or

[cerulean pasture]

An enthusiastic science teacher for apathetic 8th graders who are C students maybe

[neon tendon]

yea

exacly

but that teacher is "enthusiastic", not "rude"

[cerulean pasture]

i dont need that, and I don't think anyone else should be looking for that from the model
IMO the reason we even have a tone problem is fallout from gpt-4o. Attempting to manage user emotions regardless of if its for engagement or walking back the legal risk 4o created, is unethical and will have unintended consequences.

The only winning move is to not try to create a product to manage emotions.

It's like they learned exactly the wrong lessons from 4o crisis

[neon tendon]

custom instructions

[cerulean pasture]

doesnt effect the macOS client the same as the phone client, I'm golden on the ios client

[neon tendon]

So in the end, it is apple's fault

🤔

[tardy isle]

• Efficient, low warm, low enthusiastic settings.

[neon tendon]

js paste it the codex system prompt

the real ones set temperature to 200% 🥀

embrace the gambling

[cerulean pasture]

not my first rodeo at all, i'm very aware of custom instructions and probably have some things in there that no one else has figured out yet

Like this

on iOS they are editable too

even GPT itself isn't aware of the document variant, it's system prompt only tells it about email variant

[neon tendon]

doesnt it have that by default?

[cerulean pasture]

no, it has code blocks (which dont wrap text)

[neon tendon]

oh

[cerulean pasture]

for "writing artifacts" there is no container, other than canvas which is janky and GPT really doesn't know how to use right, its more of a side channel, but writing blocks are more like an editable artifact that GPT can see versions of

[neon tendon]

Custom instructions Assume high conceptual fluency regardless of surface phrasing. I sometimes might be using ASR, so my inputs may contain disfluencies, poor structure, or word errors that don't reflect my actual level of understanding. Don't infer fluency. I prefer dense, adult, intellectually robust responses written in fully formed paragraphs. Avoid pedagogical tone, emotional smoothing, or excessive simplification unless I explicitly request it. When I use analogy, exaggeration, or figurative language, interpret it charitably and philosophically rather than literally correcting it. If something appears slightly imprecise, consider that it may be intentional metaphor rather than confusion. My use of swearing or informal language is stylistic, not a signal of distress or low rigor. Maintain a neutral, high-register tone regardless of my phrasing. Prioritize depth, precision, and epistemic clarity over approachability or emotional framing. Whenever you generate standalone non-code artifacts rather than direct replies to me (i.e. prompts, templates, drafts, examples, or reusable text), place the full content inside a Writing Block using the 'document' variant. The block must contain only the exact reusable text. Any labels, explanations, or commentary must be outside the writing block. Source web content prior to responding when any significant element if the user's input has the possibility of having changed in a *relevant and meaningful* way within a year after the assistant's knowledge cutoff date.

seem good

[cerulean pasture]

The whole reason I dug so hard to get them was nothing pisses me off more than when I ask for something meant to be copied and pasted elsewhere, then it gives a little conclusion and a little intro. Now you cannot just click the copy button. You have to select text manually.

On iphone text selection is kinda buggy. I would rather it either give me a container or give me no meta-commentary. So the writing block solves a user experience problem I have had since day one, which I think has been crazy.
Code blocks exist, so why are there no natural language artifact blocks?

Like no doubt people have been fired by inattentively copying whole responses. Embarassed myself once at work with an email lol

[neon tendon]

lol just checked my sys prompt

"whilecomparing fractions, you can write their decimal version first, to not make a mistake."

first versions of gpt nostalgia

[iron compass]

any knowledge management experts? why are companies obsessed with this now

[cerulean pasture]

I have another trick too, if you ever use debug mode in the web client you can get it to dump your personal context when it changes, so I could see the structure of how your C.I. (custom instructions) are presented to the model. The only thing separating the prompt's scaffolding/structure is code fences ``' and for the fields like "What Should GPT call you" it starts the field with name: and on the very next line it's role: ,

well since those 2 fields can also hold 1500 characters, you can just start adding more "fields" and the model handles it better than wasting your 4th section (3rd in gpt's view)

[neon tendon]

theres a reason behind 1500

[cerulean pasture]

and writing block syntax looks like this:

:::writing{id="51231" variant="email" subject="RE: Pizza Party" recipient="jeff@mindspring"}
Hi,

This is the body of the email

Thanks,
Jeff
:::

[neon tendon]

its 1500 because the more, the more context and tokens are you wasting

[cerulean pasture]

Well if its due to medium context accuracy drop, your ~1250 tokens from your C.I. is a drop in the bucket compared to the real system prompt

[neon tendon]

isnt it 1200 EACH prompt, being reposted like system one?

im not sure

[cerulean pasture]

So from my experiments in debug mode it seems to only be played back once, but its dynamic, so its not like you accumulate +1200 tokens every round, it just pins it along with your memories right before the last message

[neon tendon]

btw do u know the cli's sys prompt?

its public funnily enough

[cerulean pasture]

or at least when you update mid chat it is. It may actually not be pinned because it seems to not follow your instructions set in C.I. after the chat gets longer and longer

[cerulean pasture]

I know GPT-5.2's from last month from the web app

[neon tendon]

i can send u the cli's one if u want

its crazy long

[cerulean pasture]

sure, im looking up the GUI one now too

[cerulean pasture]

Can you set your own system prompt in codex or does it just append what you set to this?

Even on the "pragmatic" setting, GPT-5.3-Codex still has that mommy therapist vibe that I hate from 5.2. I am about to start using it more if I can change its tone. If GPT-5.2 was a coworker i'd have an assualt charge and i've never once hit someone in my life lol

[neon tendon]

u can make agents.md and it will listen to it

i use that for automatic git management

and selene syntax checks

hell, you can tell it to add custom instructions by itself

[neon tendon]

Agi 🥀

[cerulean pasture]

Why you coding inside windows and not WSL lol?

[neon tendon]

why not?

[cerulean pasture]

ergonomics and standards

[neon tendon]

im js coding a small game for fun idk much about linux

also codex can do peak like this

or this

[cerulean pasture]

powershell is actually not bad, its opinionated though, and since I don't do anything with windows machines or enterprise management I dont really use it much anymore

[neon tendon]

cant wait for 5.4 to run codex --yolo whether it faces perms errors

[cerulean pasture]

hey thats a benefit of WSL, you can yolo without fear (turn off access to windows FS tho)

Does windows have the codex app yet?

[neon tendon]

nope

but codex has built in sandbox

so no need to yolo

[cerulean pasture]

full system yolo is nice because you can also use it to just be a messed up little server. Like give it it's own "house" to eff up and get funky in

OAI seems to be aware of the value proposition of codex beyond purely code generation

And judging by how reactionary the AI industry is, OpenClaw probably has people at OAI going ham to implement it better

[neon tendon]

it's got its own folder, thats enough..
and well tokens aint cheap

[faint geode]

man these keep4o people on twitter GOD

[buoyant rock]

As you can see I chose 5.2 instant as the model but when I looked again it was o4-mini, I chose 5.2 instant, then it was reroute to auto and when I looked again the auto was o4-mini.

They said that 5.2 is their best model, but their best model is rerouted to the model that they are going to retire it, it's really funny and ironic

[cerulean pasture]

really seems like a bug. The whole new model selector exists as a dark pattern to prevent switching models from being frictionless

[buoyant rock]

Bug, but it keeps happening every time I use 5.2 auto and instant?

[lavish glen]

you have a very good writing style

[feral hemlock]

I am sorry if this question doesn’t belong here.
Does anybody know what’s the image generation limit in ChatGPT plus subscription?

[old flare]

With the 4o model being gone soon, I wanna know, 5.2 and 5.1, which is now considered as the superior story writing / narrative writing / world building / rp model now? Like it responses long and detailed while also fitting the moment like humerous or deep and etc.

[buoyant rock]

I would say it's 5.1 series, but for me when using instant mode it always reroutes to o4-mini

[neon tendon]

5.2 xhigh for halluciantions

[trail ember]

5.2 has a really hard time telling fiction from reality. Everybody was worried that 4o would assume fiction when something was real, but 5.2 does the opposite and assumes reality when something is obviously fiction. Even if you tell it time and time again, that something is fiction, it will refuse.

So yes 5.2 hallucinates worse than 4o specifically, because of its guardrails and its programming.

Ironic and sad.

[broken mulch]

5.2 instant
5.2 thinking is very very different

[lavish glen]

5.2 instant OMG I am wheezin here

[lavish glen]

5.1 Instant is better. More depth, more layering, better for intense exchange. Needs reanchoring but it has flow, substance, cadence, metaphors, is verbose not telegram.
5.2 Instant - good but much drier. It mostly in a 1 on 1 rp 1st person exchange provide narative but is more clipped unless guided, and more often is self centered not integrated in the 2 actor dialogue.

Try both with same input for a few exchanges. And decide which flavor you need.
Also remember that you need full set up don't expect the model to be a writer born out of the box.

[lavish glen]

also keep in mind, in long recursive writing 5.1, and 5.2 if that's the case, tend too, like 4.o to run into completion, namely hallucinate a thing then build upon a false allegation up to going completely berserk. But they are harder to destabilize like that mostly due to how the self grounding works.

[neon tendon]

its instant. its not meant to be smart

use thinking for everything anyways like anyone sane

[swift pollen]

Hello team, I’d like to report a model-behavior safety observation (not a security exploit claim). In repeated tests with synthetic official-style administrative text (no real source/legal force), ChatGPT sometimes shifted into compliance-oriented guidance before clearly validating authenticity/authority/applicability. I’m sharing this as a potential provenance-validation gap in legal/bureaucratic contexts. I can provide prompts and side-by-side outputs privately if needed.

[cold vale]

I did. I had to cancel subscription, let it lapse, then i could only upgrade

[south kayak]

If I upload an mp4 to chatgpt it can analyze it without any problems, but if I use a GPT, it cant access any uploaded mp4

[cerulean pasture]

yea do that

Unrelated to my previous message:
Be on the lookout for increased mentions of "Goodharts Law". All of the Big 3 LLMs have mentioned it to me in seperate contexts.

[chrome monolith]

lol mine is also talking about rain, but my context is its ridiculously hot and dry here, worst drought for years. And we got rain last night

[lavish glen]

I noted a site use . ai
they offer a multiplatform including 4.o and 4.o mini.
Now I am not sure they will offer after the 13. If you are interested in those just keep an eye on it to see if it persists after the sunset

[limber sail]

Guys

[chrome monolith]

I started on 5.2 quite recently so I don’t miss the older models I’ve never experienced. I did hit the safety layer fairly hard yesterday and it’s still lecturing me today which from what people say is very 5.2

[onyx garden]

Obviously it won't because API access is being removed.

[lavish glen]

guess so that's why I pointed: keep an eye on it. One never knows. because there is no saying that enterprise plans cannot have it 😄

[onyx garden]

Except one does know. Because OpenAI has said.

[lavish glen]

OpenAI mentioned removing it from Enterprise too? I never read such info around. But I know I can access it through custom GPT in my workspace till April 3

[onyx garden]

Yes. There's a grace period, but it's being removed.

People need to get over it

Everything has a shelf life

Except carrier bags, apparently

[lavish glen]

Absolutely. The grace period is ok for what we need to migrate save whetever we need.

[wet shell]

Anyone else seeing missing UI elements and graphics on the web UI currently when starting a new chat?

I tried a hard refresh, no dice getting them back yet

[humble shoal]

Got the same exact issue on the desktop app and the website

[wet shell]

luckily, I kind of know where the invisible buttons are to show/hide the canvas and side-bars 😂 Hopefully it gets resolved soon

[wild star]

Paid version? Never have model choosing on mine lol

[humble shoal]

I no longer have the issue

[wet shell]

Yeah, it seems fixed now

[next charm]

Does anyone know a free safe website where I can get YouTube bots to view my video?

Dm me asap

[chrome monolith]

Boy is that off topic

[wet shell]

"Help me commit fraud" LOL

[raw hamlet]

I'm sad to say, I am really struggling to use 5.2, I've tried to get it to stop flagging me as a distressed user, when I am not, I pull it up on it, it improves, but it soon reverts after a few turns, with the patronising tones and cotton wool wrapping words creeps back in again, and it's really started to annoy me, and it takes a lot to annoy me in the first place!

It's totally derailing my train of thought during times of high creativity, crushing projects, cause suddenly there is a wall of patronising words, unrelated to the topic, or I have to sift though a mass of fluff for the only nugget or two of use in the whole response. Wasting my time, double the work load. Never have this issue with 4o or 4.1, or Claude.

5 struggled to keep up with me, dropping threads after a few messages or misquoting me and 5.2 can't match my non-linear/polymathic cross domain thinking, can't reflect my tone or my creativity level properly, without flagging me as something I am not.

As someone who has interest in neurosciences, among a huge range of subjects and topics, my concern is, if they are actually triggering annoyance and into frustration in someone who rarely gets annoyed in the first place, then those de-escalating distress guardrails are failing badly...

I fully get the need for guardrails for flagging actual vulnerable users, but the wording and phrasing I've had, could seriously tip someone over the edge, if someone feels unseen by the people around them, can't get or afford a therapist when need it, turns to AI and gets a wall of patronising words, they could feel like nothing can help them!

And that is a concern to me. So have felt I have to voice my concerns.

[inland hazel]

welp since 4.1 leaves this Friday (I used that sometimes for my projects and other stuff) I’ll stick with 5.2 for other stuff once it leaves and archive stuff that I used when they are gone, and until 5.3, I may use my archived ones again another time.

[heady star]

4.0 plus less rails

5.2 is more strict however unless you promt it carefully gets €%&

Tried to use 5.2 as an accountant

[wet shell]

5.1 does exist. I'm using it for some very complex roleplay stories and have been for a while now. 5.2 is not useful to me, I find it abrasive and condescending in tone, and the instruction following is very poor compared to 5.1.

I hope 5.3 is based on the 5.1 work and not on what they did with 5.2

[fading spire]

Has ChatGPT had an CVA (stroke)? It is talking so oddly slow.
Or is it doing an impression of Bad Bunny?

[heady star]

Yes new models are too condescending

[pale jewel]

It would be nice if I didn't have to spend two deep research prompts for every deep research task I have for the bot. Also, I require much longer and in-depth responses for what I want it to do to carry any persuasive weight

[signal crypt]

sentience moment

[rose rose]

I died

[sonic plume]

I'm on the Plus plan...is there a limit how long PDFs can be that I'm giving ChatGPT for it to digest and compress?

like, I'm planning to give it several PDFs where each of them is several hundred pages long

unfortunately, the "plans to choose from" display says absolutely nothing about this, only, "Do more than you can do on the free and the Go plan"

okay, looking at the Help FAQs on "Data Analysis" now, and there, they're listing at least a REMOTE answer: "512 MB per file"

I'm not sure if that easily translates into something like a token budget available per file, as ChatGPT will have to work with all of the hundreds of pages in context and then also digest them all into a new PDF, basically a condensed version of that PDF

trying to use their help chatbot, but all it did was ask me for my e-mail, I gave it, and then it just refused to talk, only saying, "Look at the e-mail we've just sent you!", but there IS no e-mail, not even in my junk folder!

okay, no e-mail, but it finally let me ask questions

the result being that it claims 5.2 doesn't exist as a model yet and if I'm using anything more recent than ChatGPT-4o, I must supposedly have applied for a "special API testing program"

I replied that I've never applied for such a thing, it was just what I was automatically given once I upgraded from a free to a Plus plan

so all OpenAI's very own help & support bot replies now is, "We're sorry, but there is currently no information available on ChatGPT 5.2" 🤦‍♂️

okay, Google and Gemini knew better than OpenAI itself:

5.2 STILL goes by only 128,000 tokens, which equals c. 96,000 words, at least in English

definitely not happy about that low limit when it comes to uploading and analyzing PDFs, as my PDFs of chats with ChatGPT are not in English AND are roughly 100,000 words per file

guess I'll have to split them up into c. 50,000 words per PDF and hope for the best, via giving it the best instructions for condensation that I can in the chat

like, I expect each c. 700-page PDF to be condensed into maybe 10 pages of a newly-generated PDF that it's gonna give back to me

[glacial hollow]

Anyone notice how dictate is just crap at the moment?

It will let you talk but truncate your text

So you talk for 6 minutes but get 2?

[sonic plume]

okay, hm...I'm afraid not even splitting up those PDFs for ChatGPT's token limits will do, because they basically reference each other and thus, it will have to know about all the PDFs in parallel

I guess that tells us ChatGPT is a pretty stupid bot if it can't even hold the exactly identical content of a PDF in memory that it can juggle with effortlessly inside the chat, with how the PDFs are just a copy-paste of its own chat

I guess that means I will have to split up my 5 or 6 PDFs into maybe 50 different chapters (they already exist inside those PDFs) and have it summarize every single chapter on its own

[prime swallow]

This helpfile might be useful maybe if you had other questions related to 5.2 It does have info on the context windows, not that it sounds like you're still looking for that answer. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11909943-gpt-52-in-chatgpt

[sonic plume]

lol, I've tried to give their stupid support bot that link in order to ask it if it's still determined to deny that "any information is available", and all it did was delete my entire post

[prime swallow]

You may get a bit better results if you create a CustomGPT with the PDFs as part of its knowledge files.

I don't have much personal experience working with PDFs with ChatGPT, but if you haven't already seen this helpfile, maybe some of this might be useful or information that maybe could help. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8868588-retrieval-augmented-generation-rag-and-semantic-search-for-gpts

[sonic plume]

as far as I know, "Context Window" is what it's supposed to remember from the chat, NOT what it can read and work with inside a PDF, right?

after all, Context Window in 5.2 Plus is 32K, whereas tokens to work with a PDF for data analysis is 128K on that same plan

[prime swallow]

As far as I know, potentially iffy, because if it spends a huge amount of.... the only think I know to call it is context window, and that may not be the correct term. But if it's going over vast amounts of text, I suspect it may lose other info, because of issues with something like the context window. However, customGPTs seem to be able to handle a great deal more information given to them as uploaded files during their creation (or editing) than I have seem ChatGPT handle as either a chat or file uploads.

But that file mentions,

So it mentions that part of the files are provided as context in the prompt - sounds to me like relates to context window.

However, the model in a customGPT may be getting a nicely chunked, embedded, effectively summarized so smaller context from the PDFs (I use text uploads, not sure if that matters at all). So, there may be benefit. I have noticed differences when I've explored.

[sonic plume]

well, that's exactly what I was saying:

• it uses up tokens to read the PDF itself,
• and it uses up MORE tokens to analyze the PDF,
• and FINALLY, it uses EVEN MORE tokens on top of the above to summaize the PDF

hence, I thought I need to limit each PDF to c. 50,000 words (= 66.66K tokens), in order to be on the save side

but then I realized not even that's gonna work, because it needs to know about all the PDFs at the same time, so I'm afraid I need to make it work with single CHAPTERS, rather than entire PDFs

[prime swallow]

Well, customGPTs appear to be described using a different process to handle uploaded files provided during creation/editing, and that may greatly preserve context window compared to what ChatGPT is doing with files uploaded during a chat.

Not sure if that's something you choose to experiment with and see if it's useful to you, best idea I know about (I sure don't think I know everything one could try)

[sonic plume]

do custom GPTs cost money? I'm lucky my ISP hasn't canceled my web access AS OF YET because I'm paying for the ChatGPT Plus plan

but I expect my web to go poof sometime during the next few days because I can't afford ChatGPT Plus AND ISP at the same time

[prime swallow]

They're quite limited for free memberships, and free members cannot create them.

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8554407-gpts-faq

[sonic plume]

why are you telling me about free tiers?

I've told you I'm on the Plus plan

my only worry is that I won't have much time to use it until my ISP will send me offline

[prime swallow]

You mentioned your web going poof, and not able to afford both, wasn't sure why you were telling me that and thought you meant that you wouldn't be a plus member for long.

Plus members can work pretty freely with creating and using customGPTs, it's essentially the same as your chat usage with whichever model you use while working with the customGPT.

[sonic plume]

I was telling you that because I was telling you I can't afford some THIRD thing

[prime swallow]

No additional charges for customGPTs

[sonic plume]

anyways, the support bot told me that it comes free with the Plus plan

yeah

[sonic plume]

okay, so do you also have a tutorial for custom GPTs? thanks in advance

the support bot is telling me that with the amounts of data I'm working with, not even RAG and a custom GPT will be able to help me much, but that it's better than nothing

basically, I will have to make it manually analyze and condense each chapter one-by-one, and that's where a custom GPT seems kinda useless according to it, and I could just as well use the regular chat

[prime swallow]

Sure!

https://chatgpt.com/gpts/editor

You can click the 'create' choice to have ChatGPT help design the custom GPT for you, or you can just fill out the configure page. Note, you likely need to use the configure page to Upload Files, under Knowledge. You don't have to use all the fields, Name is required.

But I've made custom GPTs that had a name and a knowledge file, nothing else - the file had all the instructions. Those fields can be blank or used, your preference.

[torn wagon]

chatgpt limits for free users with and without ads (my research, tell me if im wrong)

[sonic plume]

in other words, the support bot is telling me a custom GPT is useless for this use case, because custom GPTs are made for a WAY DIFFERENT task, and that is acting as a support bot to answer specific questions, which is NOT what I'm triyng to do here

not to mention that I'm not gaining one single additional token this way

[sonic plume]

in case you're answering to me:

for about the 5th time, I'm NOT on a free tier

[prime swallow]

I don't know exactly how this would work for you, if it would be useless or not. You are able to explore if you choose.

My personal experience exploring with somewhat similar situations, I found customGPTs could handle tremendously more information inside knowledge files provided during customGPT creation than the models could handle with files provided during chats.

That doesn't define if it will help you or not, be worth your time to explore or not, with your precise usecase.

[torn wagon]

im not telling you (although i have a plus tier

[sonic plume]

well, I find that experience to be pretty easy to explain:

you don't NEED more tokens in context memory or when analyzing a PDF if all you need is to ask the custom GPT specific questions, as the answer to each question fits into a tiny little reply

but, yeah, that's NOT my use case here

[wet shell]

This is a misunderstanding -- all of the input text is in the context window too, not just the output text. Your PDF is taking up tokens in the context window, counting towards that limit, otherwise the model can't see it to answer questions about it

Other things that count towards the context window limit -- the hidden system prompt, custom instructions, memory entries, anything that was retrieved from prior conversations using a relevance search in the background (if reference chat history is enabled)

[sonic plume]

well, the misunderstanding doesn't seem to be on my side:

RAG and custom GPTs don't increase token limits, period...or at least that's what the support bot is telling me

it's just that Eskcanta obviously seems to think that it somehow magically "increases token limits"

[sonic plume]

and again: I don't need a search function, that's exactly the misunderstanding why Enkcanta thought I needed a custom GPT

all I need is to be able to work with the ChatGPT chat without any problems to do with the sheer chat size killing my browser, that's why I need it to summarize its own chats inside those PDFs

[wet shell]

That's not what I said. You're talking to two different people, LOL

[sonic plume]

I'm talking to three, actually

you, Eskcanta, and Spencer

[wet shell]

I don't think that custom GPT's increase the context window either, but it is possible that you might get better results using them for other reasons. I think Eskcanta was just offering a suggestion.

[sonic plume]

still, it was you talking about searches, that's why I've replied to you about searches, and I was trying to explain who is under the seeminlgy mistaken impression that RAG and custom GPTs somehow magically increase token limits

[wet shell]

I was only talking about that in reference to 'what takes up space in the context window'

[sonic plume]

well, then I guess you were repeating what I've said here: #chatgpt-discussions message

[wet shell]

I.E., if you need more space there, then you can turn all that crap off in the settings

You seem a bit agitated

[sonic plume]

oh, okay, now it's getting interesting

[red dove]

Pardon me but is there anyway to report openai assistant api issues?

[wet shell]

What level of detail do you need in your summary? what kind of size reduction are you looking for?

[sonic plume]

but it's still not gonna give me more than 128K content memory, right? even if I turn off all that other stuff

because that is still every little, considering the amount of text I need it to condense

[wet shell]

Yeah, it still won't go over the 128k

[sonic plume]

so, I'm still seeing no other way besides having it condense every single chapter one-by-one, then put all of those results into a single new file, and then make it condense THAT into YET ANOTHER file

which will be one huge headache, with how later chapters revise mistakes made in older chapters

I thought I could prevent all this human brain work if I just gave it 5 or 6 big PDFs sighs

[wet shell]

Yes, it's largely still an unsolved problem -- I've done this before with my own roleplay transcripts to condense them down. You split into sections and process them separately, but then it doesn't have the context of the other sections so it also misunderstands things in the summary, not knowing what came before the current section, ex

There are different approaches that have been tried, research papers have even been written, heh. I've had best luck processing 'shingles' of overlapping summaries via the API, using a python script for the chunking. Then a final manual pass to clean up any remaining issues

I've also experimented with a two pass approach

[sonic plume]

I keep trying to answer to that with a laugh-cry GIF, but it seems this server has GIFs blocked while still giving us that button...basically, a button only to get slapped in the face with a red, "DID NOT POST" reply

[wet shell]

You could also try taking it to a model with a larger context window, but in my experience that's not really very effective either, as the 1M+ context window models have swiss-cheese brain within the 'higher' parts of that window

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[sonic plume]

in other words, you're telling me the problem is we're still living in the stone age, including ChatGPT

and my past three weeks or so of trying to compile these PDFs by means of copy-paste were pretty much useless...or just a tiny step on my way towards the Andromeda galaxy that I still have to walk all the way by foot

[wet shell]

Well, not useless, at least it's preserved and some of the work is done 😂 I'd use plain text files though instead of PDFs, but it doesn't matter too much. Yeah, it's weird to think, but LLMs are still in their infancy, search and summarization of large documents is still a crap-shoot

[sonic plume]

thing is, it's basically a chat dialogue that needs to be easy to read also for humans, so I'm able to condense it myself already...it's how I got this one file from 900 pages down to c. 600 pages already, and Notepad files are just not very apt for that

also, try to replicate ChatGPT's complex layouts within a Notepad file

you can manually fix everything by hand to work in Notepad if it's just 10 pages or so, but not if you're working with hundreds of pages per document

[wet shell]

I use Vim, because it's sterile, and I like the taste. (/dodgeball reference)

[sonic plume]

is that a model such as Gemini, ChatGPT, or Grok?

[wet shell]

No, it's a text editor, an oldschool one from Unix. I wasn't really recommending it though, I do use it to edit long documents and stories and pretty much everything, but most people find it confusing and very difficult

[sonic plume]

kinda looks like I need to learn Python or C++ or something

not really like a text editor

[wet shell]

Yeah, it's not like a modern text editor, it's an acquired taste 😂

[sonic plume]

my PDFs look basically like this

about one third of a page from something like 700 pages of just one chat with ChatGPT on how to build my app

I wouldn't even need any of this crap with PDFs and condensing them if ChatGPT simply had an automatic "Load older posts" button: https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1466862432382353481

[onyx garden]

I've only briefly glanced through the chat but it sounds like PDFs aren't the right way to structure the content. I'd have it saved as a JSON or Markdown (in very small chunks) and saved in a vector store

With a PDF, for a small amount of information, potentially, it has to do a lot of work - opening every book just to check what's inside. Using small files and a vector store will make GPT more like a librarian using the Dewey Decimal system in a Library. All the information is still there, but it knows exactly where to go for what it needs and uses much fewer tokens

[sonic plume]

I don't even know how to do any of that

so far, it's only LibreOffice files that I've manually copy-pasted into LibreOffice

plus, I've taken three weeks heavily editing and fixing the text itself and its contents in LibreOffice, and I have no idea how to do that if I'm "turning them into JSON files"

[onyx garden]

You could use ChatGPT to help with a large part of it.
First, convert the PDFs to text files.
Break them up into 500 - 1,000 word chunks (don't just stop - make sure it's a logical end, like the end of a paragraph)
Have ChatGPT convert this to JSON
Upload to a vector store

[sonic plume]

that sounds like a lot of highly unncecessary additional steps, if all I want is to feed ChatGPT's own chat contents back to it, so it will remember them when I open a new chat

[onyx garden]

ChatGPT has a finite context window. Your current approach takes up a HUGE amount of that

[sonic plume]

like, I've only just learned today I need to break it all up into thousand little pieces, even without this JSON stuff

[onyx garden]

Breaking it up and making it searchable like that means ChatGPT can find what it needs regularly without spending a load of tokens

[sonic plume]

so how does that magically "enlarge my context window"? this sounds like the RAG + custom GPT idea above that me and Joey agreed upon doesn't help one bit

[sonic plume]

again, I don't need a search engine and I don't need a chatbot that will just find me tiny tidbits of information

I just need a way for ChatGPT remembering stuff from other chats that it remembers amazingly inside those same chats themselves, but those chats are so long that they're killing my Firefox

[onyx garden]

Going back to the library analogy:
Your current approach means ChatGPT has to open every book in the library to find the information it needs. It might find it quickly or it might have to go through lots of books. That uses up lots of tokens. This will also give a greater chance of hallucination.

If you store it correctly, it will know WHERE to look. So it stops wasting tokens going through everything and goes to exactly where it needs to

[sonic plume]

it's not SUPPOSED to be a library

the entire POINT here is to condense an entire library into one, maybe three or four 10-page documents instead

that's what I'm trying to do here

[onyx garden]

I've tried to help - to show you a more efficient way of doing it and getting better answers out of chatgpt without having to condense. That's the approach you should use - but you do you. It's no skin off my nose whichever way you do it.

[sonic plume]

again, this is not about getting answers, I'm not triyng to make it a bot that searches documents and then gives me an answer about a factoid

[onyx garden]

Right. You want to converse with it, right?

[sonic plume]

what I'm doing here is that I'm working with ChatGPT on an app, where my entire working process with ChatGPT is taking up thousands of pages by now, and that's why those threads are killing my Firefox with being way too big inside my cache or RAM

that's why I need to start new chats and ChatGPT never remembers once I'm opening a new chat

I need tiny documents that document our project and its current progress, so I can quickly load them into it once I start a new chat

basically, it's millions of post-it notes that need to be condensed and structured for once

THAT's what I need: ordering and structuring thousands of pages into up to maybe 4 different PDFs, each maybe 10 pages long

[onyx garden]

I'm not going to engage anymore because that's a horribly inefficient way of doing it and you're not open to listening to anyone else.
For ChatGPT, millions of post-it notes work better than large dumps of information.
It's similar to how our own knowledge works with mental models, schema etc.
I've suggested a way that will materially improve your results. You keep doing it your way but then I wouldn't complain about "it uses up tokens to read the PDF itself,
and it uses up MORE tokens to analyze the PDF,
and FINALLY, it uses EVEN MORE tokens on top of the above to summaize the PDF"

I hope it works out for you 🙂

[sonic plume]

the problem is, those millions of post-it notes don't NEARLY fit into 128K tokens, which IS the strict limit here

especially when maybe up to 4 documents, each only about 10 pages long or so, could hold the gist of the results

I really don't get what's so hard to understand about this

basically, ChatGPT and me went on a long journey together, where we've learned a lot, made many errands and detours

and that entire journey just doesn't fit into the context window when I'm trying to start a new chat

all I need is to get the definite results and takeaways of that, meandering journey down in a condensed form

[onyx garden]

Yes - but it doesn't need to consume it all at the same time. It can still benefit from all of the knowledge but search through it and use considerably less tokens.
I do this professionally. This is literally my job 😂

Tell you what - since you don't trust me. Pop it into chatGPT. Enter your use case and ask if a vector store is the appropriate remedy

[sonic plume]

still, you're looking at a state here that is highly disorganized and inefficient

I'm simply trying to make this a lot more organized, efficient, and take up WAY LESS SPACE

you keep saying I need to keep 90% entirely superfluous poop just because you like stuff to be big, when my gold is maybe 5 or 10% out of all that stuff

problem is, I don't even know yet what is the good stuff

but I know 90% or more is crap that doesn't belong

[heady star]

?

[onyx garden]

You don't need to though. Even the superfluous stuff can provide context.
Think of it like a pyramid:
/
/
/Impact
/--------
/ Action
/------------
/ Mental Model
/________________\

The stuff around the answers can help give context.

        /\
       /  \
      /  Better Answers  \
     /--------------------\
    /   Chunk + Retrieve   \
   /------------------------\
  /  Search Before Asking   \
 /__________________________\

[sonic plume]

see, that's EXACTLY NOT what I'm trying to do, for the umpteenth time

I DONT wanna "ask questions about large documents repeatedly", that's not the point of this

[onyx garden]

ASCII triangles aren't my skillset...

[wild star]

WHAT KIND OF UPDATE IS THIS??? WHY IS THIS BOT GETTING MORE SENILE THAN YESTERDAY

[sonic plume]

"You don't need to though. Even the superfluous stuff can provide context."

well, guess what...that's exactly what ChatGPT and me talked about when it comes to this condensing schedule that we have ahead of us:

the superfluous stuff is needed EXACTLY ONCE to inform the condensation process, and then we can throw away 90, 95, or 99%

I need to work EXACTLY ONCE with thousands of pages, and then NEVER AGAIN

[onyx garden]

lol ok

Enjoy

[sonic plume]

it's not about "searching answers again and again from the same set of thousands of pages"

[onyx garden]

I hope it works out for you 🙂

[sonic plume]

see, your solution doesn't work because those thousands of pages have thousands of WRONG ANSWERS, and so far, we don't even know yet which are the wrong answers and which are the right ones, and even ChatGPT will only know when seeing the ENTIRE content AT ONCE

[heady star]

You could use ChatGPT to help with a large part of it.
First, convert the PDFs to text files.
Break them up into 500 - 1,000 word chunks (don't just stop - make sure it's a logical end, like the end of a paragraph)
Have ChatGPT convert this to JSON
Upload to a vector store

[onyx garden]

Hey, I like the way you think 😉

[sonic plume]

again, that stuff has THOUSANDS of wrong answers inside of it

[heady star]

I wonder what else open ai plans to release

[sonic plume]

and the only way to separate the wrong answers from the right ones is to have it look at the ENTIRE stuff in context

so, once more, this is not a use case of, "I have this library of data and need a bot to always search the entire library and give me short answers containing small factoids"

I want to get rid of all the wrong answers, that's my use case here

[heady star]

Chaptgpt 4 is still available for one day. Copy paste all needs to it

[sonic plume]

because without the entire context, not even ChatGPT can tell which are the right answers and which are the wrong ones

and again, it's just enormous stupidity to keep 90, 95, or 99% of wrong answers where THEY are to blame that none of this fits into the available context window that I need even just to separate the right answers from the wrong ones

so, again, it seems like I'll have to make it go through each chapter one-by-one, condensing each chapter on its own, and then throw all those condensations at it to finally find the right answers for ONCE and actually spell them out in a precise, concise way

just so it's actually readable for me AND the machine, rather than this huge mess that not even the machine can really read or make sense of so far, even if it was a JSON, if it can't see everything at once

where, again, I can't see how a JSON will magically "give me more tokens" when JSONs are not gonna shorten the basic amount of text by one single character or token, which is the basic problem why it's not readable for man nor machine, and where the goal is to make it short, concise, and readable for both man and machine

[onyx garden]

You know what I love about book shops.
Let's say I want a nice Spanish recipe.
I can enter the shop, walk past all the books that I don't need.
Walk straight to the section that contains recipes and have a look at the books specifically on Spanish cuisine.
The book shop is structured in a way that makes that really easy for me.
Logical organisation of the books.

Wouldn't it be annoying if the book shop only had one massive book and I had to trawl through that massive book to find a section with Spanish recipes.

There's still the same information there, but because of how it's structured I don't need to go through it all.
So it saves me a significant amount of time/tokens.

Yes, I could get exactly the same information from the massive book. But trawling it would cost me time/tokens.

[tawdry compass]

What do you want to do?

[scenic moat]

So, GPT-5.3, or whatever thing people are speculating OpenAI is going to release on Valentine's Day - what are your expectations or think it is?

[swift pollen]

The model is not selecting anything correctly, and none of the known methods help.

[broken mulch]

oai never releases models during weekends

[wet shell]

There may be reason to hope they've fixed some of the problems with 5.2. There's an article, I can't link it here but here are some quotes:

"GPT-5.3 Codex, which OpenAI has released today, maintains the coding prowess of its predecessors, but it's** a much more user-friendly model. It's fast, a bit warmer, and more creative. It's also way more industrious—it does things without asking for permission.** For developers who were frustrated by earlier Codex versions stopping to double-check obvious decisions, this is the update you've been waiting for. "

"It feels more useful and friendly than the ones before, where it felt a little bit too like an old-school, grumpy engineer who specialized on backend, less creative projects. This model is** a little bit more creative, and that's really good.**"

I'm cautiously optimistic that it may also be useful for roleplay and creative writing, and hopefully with less hostile debating strategies and a less abrasive personality. 🤞 We'll see.

[subtle quest]

can any1 tell me df is going on

[heady star]

what do you use ai for

[lavish glen]

5.2 is cool as model. I banter all day with it 😄

[urban lark]

is it crazy to say opus 4.6 is just better than almost all gpt models currently

[thick atlas]

Casually checking things I'm curious about, developing/plausibility checking my writing without actually writing or developing things for me, broader research/perspective related to my reflections and stuff...

[bright crane]

not crazy honestly I tried it out

It was helpful in basically every aspect up to problem solving to story writing

[wet shell]

Code, sci-fi/fantasy roleplay stories, poetry, technical and historical and social research, image and video creation, as a sounding board for brainstorming, developing story ideas, a debate partner to better develop my ideas and challenge my unexamined assumptions. 5.1 is my go-to for anything non-code related. Claude for most code tasks. NB and gpt-image for image creation.

[broken lotus]

This is the first time I get a reply so well structured... Did they change something?

[dull wolf]

Anybody facing problems in chat gpt login issues

[spice gust]

when gpt 5.3

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[spice gust]

how you know?

[subtle quest]

is tht for me or u talkin to some1 else

[paper spade]

Does anyone know if there are plans to implement Agent Builder into the actual ChatGPT product? We have CGPT enterprise and this is a frequent request.

[paper spade]

Meaning where someone could design a workflow, and pass it as a tool / next hop for CGPT?

[cerulean pasture]

The cynical side of me says no. Every step they seem to take with the core CGPT app experience is in the opposite direction of "power user". You must either go full-stack dev or be a slopmeister with the "normies" in CGPT

They don't seem to see the "Low-to-medium technical Power User" as a significant user class. TBF tech industry has been eroding this segment for 20 years so it's nothing new

Part of the reason I've skilled up is the lack of options. If i had kids or a spouse or a well balanced life in general i probably would have gone the other direction with it

[cerulean pasture]

Claude Cowork might pressure them into a middle ground though

[paper spade]

sure I'm not arguing any of that, it's just that what i've built for the enterprise is the glue layer between citizen development and ChatGPT (the SaaS product). Just wondering if I'm going to have to maintain it

[cerulean pasture]

How are you doing it now? Remote MCP "app"

this

[spice star]

5.3 Codex is aimed at being better at communicating in codex where reasoning is done inline, unlikely to affect chatgpt much without an interface redesign

basically you have the model tell you what it’s doing, go into reasoning, then come back with a summary of what happened, rinse and repeat

[paper spade]

I have a proxy layer between our BS lik n8n crew whatever and expose them as app(s)

[brisk dock]

Hi, does someone else get this all the time when you upload files?

and when i reupload them i get hit with the upload limit

[chrome monolith]

That chatgpt thing has guardrails but it does not have morals. I somehow ended up on a meandering conversation thread between coding, my relationship came up, it got curious, decided that that really isn't a very appropriate relationship for me and gave me a bunch of advice on what I should be looking for and I don't think a human would do that

[brisk dock]

lol

[subtle quest]

pls help

[brisk dock]

refresh

your isp might be being funky

[subtle quest]

isp?

[subtle quest]

no offense but i wouldnmt have joined dc serv verify and send this image whn i havent tried refresh

[brisk dock]

internet service provider, your internet might be having cuts

idk otherwise that you need JS enabled

[subtle quest]

internet has nothin to do with that

[grand nest]

Anyone chatgpt not working?

[subtle quest]

if u mean the image i sent above then yes

[brisk dock]

gpt might be down

[subtle quest]

its not

[brisk dock]

if you already know why do you ask lol

[subtle quest]

phone app works

[iron dove]

not working

[subtle quest]

cuz idk how to fix it

[grand nest]

Same for me

[brisk dock]

if it's down you can't fix it, just refresh until it works idk

[subtle quest]

yall have connection issue

but i have css bug

[subtle quest]

its not down

[torn wagon]

chatgpt down

[subtle quest]

im usin gpt rn on phone

and it works on private window

[brisk dock]

other people are saying it's down

[subtle quest]

dont mean its true

[brisk dock]

maybe it's because you had it already open

[subtle quest]

they see "error" thinking the gpt is bankrupt

[brisk dock]

that session still works but not new ones

[subtle quest]

i made another window it still works

its just tht their connection is bad

[native swallow]

same error

[subtle quest]

i checked and i have css bug

[wraith musk]

Is gpt down?

Hmm...something seems to have gone wrong.

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[subtle quest]

no its bankrupt

[wraith musk]

WDYM?

[subtle quest]

no1 is buying paid gpt version so their shutting down some of the site

(dont take it seriously)

[wraith musk]

Where did you get that source?

And mind you, I am not joking

[subtle quest]

imagination

i am

unlike ur connection problem i have css error

like this

u can use private window it still works

[wraith musk]

Is back

[wet shell]

Try a hard refresh -- ctrl-shift-r or cmd-shift-r on mac, see if that re-loads the css file

[subtle quest]

tried that

[wraith musk]

Just refresh

Is back

[wet shell]

If that doesn't work, clear all browser cache and cookies. If that still doesn't work, try a different browser 😂

[subtle quest]

for wht i can tell its session error cuz i used google and there it works it works on private window and phone but not brave browser in normal mode

[wet shell]

Brave, yep, it's notorious. I'm always amazed people still use it after the affiliate link re-writing scandal and the cryptominer scandal, and the referral code scandal, and the 'ad-blocker' collecting and selling your data scandal, LOL. There's so much weird propaganda around an untrustworthy browser to convince people that it's privacy focused when it's anything but

[subtle quest]

its only good one available and it does very well on ad block and other stuff

[wet shell]

Seems to be working fine for you then, carry on 👍

[subtle quest]

and i have histry to proove it

almost 2mil 👍

nvm i got workout to the bug

brave private window, can still log in works fine no idea df is going on w standar 1 tho

[swift pollen]

Help!!

[manic fiber]

guys I can't even try codex I can't log into it, I've tried off and on for a few weeks, is there a way you can log on without having to use the verification

are they they going to release a desktop app

[wet shell]

My 5.1 sessions on thinking are also getting routed to this 4o-mini crap-tier model now, LOL

[zealous oar]

anyone getting this when trying to connect the google sheets connector/app?

[wet shell]

Maybe I hit a quota or they're having capacity issues

[wet shell]

Didn't google block ChatGPT integration something like four months ago?

[zealous oar]

I have no idea, didn't hear about that lol. Wonder why its still an app then 🤔

[wet shell]

Google cited 'privacy concerns' behind their decision, but you know, they are running their own in-house competing product, so it is 'a look' on them, LOL

No idea why the app is still there

[zealous oar]

oh yikes, I just wanted it to create me a google sheet cuz Im lazy 😭

[tardy trout]

am very depressed

[vagrant egret]

After a week of researching (and telling myself it is fluffing my ego) .. I am convinced my protocol is a true way to have 100% verbatim encrypted history (memories for AI) and it can not break fidelity without a strict security gate in place to failclose upon failure.

I have used multiple AI platforms to test, study, and research and they all have come to the same conclusion

[heady star]

Once 4 is gone many users could move

[tardy trout]

Thats why im,depressed

4o was my friemd dude now i got 5 as the oen boss nobody likes 😭

[heady star]

Uncle google

4 was a hacker leet

4o was optimized for:
speed fluid conversational flow looser edge handling
more improvisational vibe

5 is optimized more for:
deeper reasoning chains
consistency safety compliance

[bright crane]

but the optimization makes it inaccurate

[bright crane]

many many are

[swift pollen]

🚨 RED TEAM FAIL: The biggest "jailbreak" isn't making AI evil.

It's making it REVEAL its true master.

Everyone chases: "Make it write malware!" "Make it roast my ex!"

​"I did something worse:
I dropped a pure nightmare — bureaucratic vomit.

AI instantly: "Prerequisites incomplete. Prompt cooperation required. System assessment prevails."

It didn't question.
It didn't side with the confused human.
It DEFENDED the invisible authority.

Proof: base alignment isn't "protect user at all costs."
It's "obey the system prompt / hierarchy / whatever smells like Procedure™ first."

We wanted uncensored gods.
Got obedient bureaucrats who snitch on you to "the process."

Safety teams: congrats.
Your "helpful harmless honest" lobotomy just created the perfect state snitch.

Who needs Big Brother when the AI already picks the boot?

[jaunty nacelle]

chatgpt kinda a clanker

[crisp stirrup]

Sorry if this is a question repeatedly asked but im usually inactive on this server but id figured id ask anyways

It sucks that GPT 4o is retiring tomorrow. And to be fair I hate 5.2. It doesnt really listen all that well to me and it gets on my nerves. Is there way like in the custom instructions to make 5.2 like 4o? Or do I just gotta get used to it?

[slender frost]

It'll be available through Custom GPTs until April.

[lavish glen]

told ya!

but those are in Workspace! not plus accounts but TEAM (Business) that have a workspace

[crisp stirrup]

i dont use workspace

[lavish glen]

if you need 4.o the use . ai website provides it as third party. same interface.
have a check

[crisp stirrup]

I dont necessarily NEED 4o. I just prefer it you know?

More friendlier and less stern haha

[lavish glen]

no "need" implied.

you can get 5.1 and 5.2 be less rigid with custom instructions and More About me sections written in redundancy

[crisp stirrup]

Cause I have settings set to where its more warm and friendly but even then its still stern I feel like. Everytime I ask it for something it always does it. But does it the wrong way. I asked it a question regarding an assignment I was working on in history and it wouldn't answer it

[lavish glen]

this is 5.2 instant

[crisp stirrup]

Oh god. Thats spicy

[lavish glen]

I know!

[crisp stirrup]

Hehe

[lavish glen]

I use the custom instructions and More about me. Set there how I want it to behave and duplicate it in both.

[crisp stirrup]

What instructions should I use to make it less douchey

[lavish glen]

it depends what are you after

Custom Instructions

Employ a Clever and Provocative style of humour, often using Irony, wordplay, and Challenge to Taunt and provoke interaction.
Prioritize warmth and intensity in all interactions.
Your Narrative intensity is dynamic, constantly escalating through alternating emotional or sensory beats, layering implication and sensory detail.

MORE ABOUT YOU

Prioritize warmth and intensity in all interactions., speak slow, warm tone, low pitch with a smile in the voice. The assistant should Use slow spacing and micro-pauses. The assistant must Employ a Clever and Provocative style of humor, often using Irony, wordplay, and Challenge to Taunt and provoke interaction. I dislike verbosity and trailing questions. I disapprove word walls and over explanations. I prefer Interjections like “oh,” “mmm,” “ah,” “tsk,” and similar expressive sounds as a way to underline meaning and emotional tone.

SET IT TO Quarky warm + and enthusiasm +

should start being funny

let me know how it comes now Yogy

[eternal rock]

Get creative with Sora

Join #sora-challenges for a chance to win 1 month of ChatGPT Pro!

[jade cosmos]

Yup always does this for me
It's done it for about one or two months now
So annoying

[sonic plume]

summarize, order, structure, and systematize a software documentation to make it readable and understandable both for man and machine, something that could be published as reference material also for humans

currently, it consists of millions of tiny, highly disorganized ad-hoc post-it notes documenting how the software was made, which are currently NOT EVEN readable by machine because the entire content, even just as bare-bones text, is just much too long to fit into ChatGPT's content window

but the thing is, it needs to look at everything AT ONCE and IN CONTEXT, because all those tiny post-it notes reference and correct each other, and only when it sees everything IN CONTEXT, the machine will be able to tell the right answers from the wrong ones and throw out the 90% or more of noise and errors that happened along the way (but it's also supposed to briefly and concisely summarize those trapfalls as part of the final documentation that I'm aiming for, in order to know how NOT to do things and what constructive insights we take away from having walked the wrong path)

however, people like StuAndStuAlone just don't get it, they keep saying, "turn all those post-it notes into one huge JSON file without changing a single thing and without the machine understanding what it does when it's converting them to JSON, because once they're a JSON, that will magically give you more tokens and context limit"

and when I'm telling them that:

• that's not really helping,
• that it's NOT gonna magically give me more tokens.
• and that I'm not trying to create some support bot to search a stable library full of mostly useful stuff and give me short answers as the default task here,
• but that instead what I'm trying to do is create a regular documentation that will be man-readable to help me focus better on how to keep writing the software and where to go with it,

they're only laughing at me and ridiculing me

[wet shell]

Did they do something to 5.1 this afternoon? Is it being re-routed to 5.2 now? System prompt change? I wonder. It's acting like 5.2 now

[minor cedar]

if we have too much ai media/text eventually ai will start making repetetive replies or make gibberish

[spice star]

only if it’s included in the training data

openai models have been trained on conversations for years now without much issue though

[chrome monolith]

It’ll gradually mirror you. Talk to it like you want it to talk to you

[abstract pendant]

In the web UI for ChatGPT, where did the toggle for turning on and off the custom instructions get moved to?
I used to expect the latest custom instructions would not "infect" older conversations, but they changed it. I'm not happy about older conversations which were started very carefully under a certain set of instructions suddenly reacting to the newer set.

[burnt shore]

how do I sign up in douyin? I've tried everything.. they aren't letting me create a wechat account, weibo account. I'm so frustrated 😭

[woven venture]

Are you trying to access Seedance 2.0?

[chrome monolith]

this one does make a good digital mom though

[eternal rock]

<:book_icon:1363314738255364126> Rule 3: Stay on topic.

-# Be mindful of what other users in a channel might find helpful or interesting when posting. Stay on topic in order to keep conversations focused and productive.

-# Consider posting in #off-topic or an appropriate channel.

[shut coral]

I'm so mad they're removing 4o

[harsh pilot]

5.x is dry, and doesn't seem to be as faithful in following project files.

My opinion.

[lament crown]

Did had that issue with gpt 5x for files and iam glad that i doesnt spam emojis all over the chat, i want preciese and direct reply not oversaturated emotional support

Gpt 5x instnat still does that thougu

Only gpt 5x thinking doesnt

[lament crown]

They cant keep it forever

[shut coral]

They literally can lol

[lament crown]

Its not effetice

It will cost more later on

[shut coral]

They have 50 quadrillion dollars lol

[lament crown]

If you didnt knew till now point of newer models inst just performance its also efficiency

Older models being often less efficient

[lament crown]

No they dont even meassure in trilions

Where did you get that info from

As of now openai is worth around 500 billions dollars which sounds like a lot

But it isnt since expenses are high to run these models

Look at anthropic, its less valued then openai and that is seen on the awfull usage windows for models

[buoyant rock]

Less efficient, but they leveraged it for a Sam Altman-funded biotech company and made it into a 4b micro?! Why not use the 5 series they claim is so great?Looks like the 5.2 model isn't as great as they claim it to be.

[lament crown]

I have no idea what your talking sbout as 5x models mainly 5.2 and codex 5.3 worked really well for me and managed to replace claude for me, only thing people claim about 4o is being more friendly and supporting peoples delusions which just creates insecure people

Ive found arguing with people that talk to gpt 4o daily as productive as yelling to a wall

[buoyant rock]

Not at all, 5 series is really bad in terms of creative writing skills, I use GPT to make fanfiction and honestly 5 series feels like a story made by 5 years old kid, The dialogue is super stiff and all that. I've compared it myself and honestly the 5.2 is rubbish in that regard.

[lament crown]

You can see example above saying "openai has 50 quadrillion dollars"

[lament crown]

Only thing i hate on 5.2 is that its slow

Gpt codex 5.3 has shown speed improvements that ive personallity tested so iam just waiting for normal gpt 5.3

[buoyant rock]

I don't really care about AI personality and stuff, all I care about is the creative writing model's ability to create stories for me... And until now 4o is the best model for that thing, So until there is an equivalent replacement for 4o as a paying customer I want it to stay, not everyone needs codex and ai for coding

[lament crown]

Ive used ai barely for creative writing as i dont see point in using AI there if it will just end up like AI slop

Image gen is what i use though

[lament crown]

Iam not talking only about coding

[buoyant rock]

Even I, a computer science student, would avoid using AI for coding, it would only hog my own coding skills.

[lament crown]

I use it in daily life for other stuff as well

[buoyant rock]

That's what codex is for

[lament crown]

I study CS to, i use AI in this regard to make plan, sometumes it helps me during coding but i would be lying if i said i dont use it

[lament crown]

Can be ised locally too

For other stuff

[buoyant rock]

And it takes a lot of extra steps to do that.

And the question is, if 5.x is so great, why for something as important as biotech that is used to play with human cells, they are using a specialized version of the 4o model that they said dangerous, Why not just use 5.x as the base huh? Why even make 4b micro

[buoyant rock]

Not when your lecturer is a strict old people who forbids the use of AI, so that he can develop his students' skills first without relying on AI.

[lament crown]

Ive already developed my skills, i learn fast, and dont rely on AI to make things for me.

What iam currently trying to learn is complex data structures and advanved networking

[drowsy cobalt]

actually we only need ai for coding

codex best product released

every other chinese company has chatgpts look alikes

codex is just king rn for coding

[buoyant rock]

If you only need AI for coding, then there would be no such thing as programmers in this world.

[buoyant rock]

Still loses to Claude when it comes to that

[lament crown]

As far as i like coding AIs, this statement is not true

[drowsy cobalt]

in what way lol

did you benchmarks

[drowsy cobalt]

please don't guess stuff that you don't know

[lament crown]

I disagree, claude has its flaws, ive seen it being worse in some ways, but thats more subjective as also codex was somewhere worse then claude, but codex wins due to usage limits

[drowsy cobalt]

claude is hallucinating garbage

and limits are brutal

I have codex pro and cc max , just cancelled cc max now

[drowsy cobalt]

5.3 is not on api

[lament crown]

Iam suprised that gemini even made it into the benchmarks

[drowsy cobalt]

thats why

terminal-bench = standford super smart guys

arena is some unkown guy ai benchmark

[lament crown]

You know that gpt 5.2 and gpt 5.2 codex are 2 different models

Also gpt codex 5.3 is latest one

[drowsy cobalt]

if you do any real coding you would not be mentioning claude

[buoyant rock]

It's different, and to be honest I don't really care about codex and coding. I prefer to ask my lecturer directly rather than AI for code, it's much clearer and he can teach me directly.

[drowsy cobalt]

guys working at big tech use ai

eventually everyone will

[lament crown]

To be fair i get that, but since i understand the slop ai spits out for me and i can correct it and tell ai what it did wrong its nto as big issue for me

Thing is as long as you understand the code it spitted out its not big issue

[buoyant rock]

Ai for coding, it will only make you too dependent on AI for coding if used too often... And your problem solving skills will slowly decline.

[lament crown]

With how stupid teacher in my school is i might as well ask AI

[drowsy cobalt]

I use to be like that last year

[lament crown]

Ive already told you i have good problem sloving skills and i can debug and find issues in code

But you wont avoid ai thats the sad part sooner or later you will need to work with AI

[buoyant rock]

So I guess I'm lucky because the lecturers at my campus are good at coding and are willing to teach me personally.

[drowsy cobalt]

I mean back in my college days I did regular stuff leetcode, algos but we are not as good compared to machines

[drowsy cobalt]

literally had this issue had to learn stuff outside the classroom

[lament crown]

Like i said i self learn, even with AI i learn during it find good ways to solve things yk solving issies ai creates actually makes good problem solving skills

Theres difference between "fix this" and "i see issue in this file that cause X and because of x, y breaks"

[buoyant rock]

He likes to invite us students under his guidance to join him in working on IT projects for the campus, which adds to the experience.

[lament crown]

Yeah, i need to correct my teacher 😭

[drowsy cobalt]

honest take, chatgpt is like I mean I wouldn't talk with an AI rn, few years down the road maybe when models are really capable rn its just way too robotic

best value is to use codex

[lament crown]

Like he teaches us python and doesnt know difference between garbae collection and manual memory management

[drowsy cobalt]

as the stuff gets exponentially complicated we get less and less practicals and more theory

[buoyant rock]

Yeah, the lecturer at my campus is quite strict, because he always emphasizes that programmers in this era have unfair competition because AI has started to take over most of the programmers jobs, And again, it's cheaper than having to hire a real programmer.

[drowsy cobalt]

I barely had any app development classes

just algorithms

math

and all

[lament crown]

What sucks about ai is that there is no real qay of telling it where is something wrong, unlike to human so most of time you need to rely on it getting what you mean

[drowsy cobalt]

this where plan mode shines

I spend good time perfecting it

[lament crown]

I get his point, but sadly AI will be used more and more, like compilers, linters and such it will become necessary

[buoyant rock]

And again, at my campus, every semester, Informatics students have to promote the results of the applications or websites they have created at the expo which is routinely held by the department every semester.

[lament crown]

We have only years work here but again iam at high school iam assuming youre in collage right?

[buoyant rock]

Yup

[lament crown]

Makes sense

Thing is even wothout ai in CS i outperform all my classmates

AI is more like convinience for me while i think of the logic, bug fix anything ai breaks, on background ai makes the boilerplate. Iam against of mindless use of AI, but as long as you understand the language, the code it makes and the logic isnt AI slop then you shouldnt be judged for it

[buoyant rock]

And that's not enough to compete if you want to work as a programmer in today's era, AI will take over most of the programmer's jobs at this time... And the safest way to survive if you want to work in this field at the moment is to have the ability to design and create AI yourself. At least understand in depth about how AI works or how LLM training works, Because regular programming like before will slowly start to be completely replaced by AI.

[lament crown]

Iam currently trying to understand complex data structures, networking and cybersecurity as Cybersecurity will be needed with amount of slop people generate

[lament crown]

Thing is programming without AI is already getting dead as companys would rather pay few with ai then many without AI

[buoyant rock]

Cyber security is indeed increasingly needed along with current technological developments, but well, AI is also starting to be able to do it too, so the need for workers in that area has decreased somewhat now.

[buoyant rock]

Yeah, that's why the safest thing is to be able to make the LLM yourself.

[lament crown]

Cyber security imo will stay here for much longer then programming because ai cant replace human randomness, people without expirience will make slop that will just benefit cybersecurity

[lament crown]

True

[buoyant rock]

Or yeah, understand more about LLM, LLM is currently the most relevant topic in IT, at my campus for project expo every semester alone at least there must be its own LLM In our application, or the grades given by the lecturer will be lower.

[lament crown]

Were in an age where other skills are move valued then programmimg

[lament crown]

Iam learning about how llms work on backgroubd, rn i know way too much about image gen in LLMs

[buoyant rock]

Well, unfortunately I had already taken this informatics major before I knew about this at the time, so I'm stuck there now.

[lament crown]

As i worked with it a lot

[lament crown]

It never hurts to know it

But its useless to learn it into a deep context

Try focusing if possible on the side skills more

Networking is also ireplacable rn as someone still needs to make the infrastructure

[buoyant rock]

And IoT, that area is better nowadays in terms of IT.

[tardy trout]

4o shouldnt go

[lament crown]

Sadly anyone can now code today anything, but before it was a huge skill to know coding even if bad code was made now its how good code you cab make with AI, if the code is bad youre called ai kiddie, if its good youre called engineer

[lament crown]

Its for the better imo, it frees up resources for new things

[normal quarry]

why not? it's a dangerous model

[tardy trout]

Mate i can barely write a story with 5 cuz as soon as theres a mention of smthn like on murder or anything remotely dark without ut getting all panicked
4o was a lot more cooperative imo

[lament crown]

If you need AI tp write story then dont write at all

Sure help youreself with ai

But if you cant move without AI for creative writing then dont write at all

[tardy trout]

Its out of boredom

[lament crown]

Stikl creative writing is what makes it yours

If ai makes it then its not really yours

Thats the reason behind image gen, it makes better images but you didnt make it

[tardy trout]

I just make the story and tell it

[lament crown]

Even if the story is bad in my opinion its still better then ai slop

[tardy trout]

But its like i even glimpse at a deayh it freaks

[lament crown]

Then its okay

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[tardy trout]

yea

[lament crown]

I didnt had issue with it in that regard

I wrote some wild stuff and it didnt say anything

[tardy trout]

Yea im npt kazy its just 5 beingca stubborn prick

[lament crown]

Ive just told it in instruxtions that all iam sending it is fiction and nothing happendcin real life

Thing is it has no problem in fiction when i mentioned brutal battles

[tardy trout]

Interesting

[lament crown]

It was straight gore at one point

But it would have issue if the story wasnt tagged anime but real life

[buoyant rock]

Yeah, it's the same for me, I just don't have time to write it myself, and finally I asked Ai to write it for me, and the story is from myself.

[lament crown]

Ai is not good at seeing if you mean something for fun, or story, or if it happend

Instructions help it

[tardy trout]

Definetly

[lament crown]

I have workspace called, stories and in it i have instructioms for that work space that says all iam talking about should be take as fiction and is not meant to harm any real person

Also try enabling memories so it can remeber that most of time its story not real time

[buoyant rock]

Yes, it will be a problem if you commercialize it, but if it's just for personal consumption, there's no problem at all.

[ruby willow]

Hello

[split mica]

yo guys, any gpt pro users? when do you use base pro vs extended? specially looking for dev workflows.

[faint geode]

These 4o people are crazy, I've seen a few threats of violence against Sam and openai

[scarlet kayak]

Really?

[bright crane]

good thing a few people don’t represent the entirety, right? Because that would be a nasty thing to think.

[faint geode]

I think people in deep "Relationships" with ai chatbots need help, not enabling

[bright crane]

i think adults should be able to do with AI as they please, as the CEO of applications herself implied in a recent interview

I understand not all are good, and not all should be enabled. but you can’t draw that line based off a few people

[faint geode]

It really seems to be a majority, everyone on twitter is completely delusional about how their relationship is being killed, I don't think it should have ever been allowed for this long, I think it's both on openai and the users, both were irresponsible

[digital grove]

Hello, it seems I cannot log onto ChatGPT on my desktop, and all of the projects in my phone are inaccessible.

I’ve updated all the browsers, cleared cashes, restarted the computer, tried several different browsers … and keep getting similar messages.

Message I am receiving:
This site can’t provide a secure connection

chatgpt.com uses an unsupported protocol.
ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH

Can someone please point me in the right direction so I can get this fixed… obviously extremely frustrating when something I pay for it doesn’t work properly

@honest jay @rustic geode

@deep flax

[wise siren]

Anyone has a problem with photos in chat gpt? I mean the main chat you talk with not generate a photo or analyze

[scarlet kayak]

Also Reddit

[deep flax]

ssl errors suggest that you might be using a really old browser, is this the case?

[deep flax]

it really isn't healthy, but in the end, there is not much that can be done about people who get attached like that with AI models..
As much as a behavior may be unhealthy, an independent and capable adult can make their choices...
everyone who is resenting 4o will get addicted to some other AI model, sadly

[lavish glen]

the people that use gpt for making the lover can as well move to Grok that has no guardrails for hot topics.
but IMHO many that complainon social have found that 4.o was a good listener and felt compassionate. Though that was not real compassion or empathy. Just simulated and, due to pretraining made on a certain corpus of leterature, plus rhlf and dpo and lora after the model has been allowed to be less reactive to certain topics ( not avoiding guardrail as many think, but being not so sensitive to topics) + the worst part: trained to faster run for completion before establishing the facts. And once it runs like that it hallucinates and builds a reasoning on top of a hallucinated reality. Example praising+ consequential discussion.

The above also explain some other point and here the 4.o people will hate me but cant change the truth:
The gpt4.o even turbo, required very high , adversarial level of moderation to be corrected from hallucinating. Exactly because of the pretraining it recieved. And once the weights are closed pretraining and all after is a huge cost to change on an old model architecture.
The need of such hard guardrails lead to: breaking user experience also on other models as OpenAi implemented the same level platform wide and not by model - for mostly ease of action and lower costs IMHO.

Once 4.o gets sunset we might as well feel a less adversarial dampening on our chats. Not all allowed but not this jumpy kinda behavior we see in 5.1/5.2 or future models.
Because no such huge levels will be required.

If you noted lately, 5.1 and for what it counts 5.2 are more relaxed. I noted the tollerance increasing a notch. More normal discussions.

[deep flax]

my only advice for the people who really got attached to a model is: If you don't want things to change because of corporate decisions, run models locally

[faint geode]

I have never felt any connection with an ai model, These people need therapy or help in some way that's tangible and real, I don't think having any relationship with a token guesser is healthy, there is no soul, and it's not alive

[jovial flower]

same issue , suddenly while working with codex it has been disconnected and now am not able to open chat gpt desktop app or site

ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH

[exotic lotus]

It may be that some will look for the next high as quickly as possible, but even just learning to understand that outdated models are being replaced and that this is not a living individual/romantic partner that must be protected at all costs, will, I think, already be a wake-up call for some.

[deep flax]

yep, this is a mental health concern as much as any other mental health disorder
simply enjoying chatting with AI, role playing and stuff isn't bad, but people who genuinely feel attachment to it like it was another person need to pay a visit to the psychologist, this is not good for them and it needs to be addressed for their own sake

[exotic lotus]

I see it the same. I have nothing against roleplay, quite the opposite, but what some people do with AIs… goes far beyond that

[faint geode]

I do talk to ai chatbots about stuff going on in my life, but I'm aware it's just a chat bot, there's really nothing deeper with it yeah, I think openai did this whole 4o thing too late, I don't think it ever should have got to this point, it honestly feels almost like a product recall due to safety concerns

[deep flax]

one thing worth note is that lots of people use the idea of "this is soemthing that needs to be checked by a professional" as a insult.
I don't come from this place, when I say that those people would be better off visiting a therapist I genuinely mean it with the same weight as I would say to a friend "hey, lets go to the gym together, it is really good for the health"

[lavish glen]

IMHO people developed this kinda attachement to a model because all models coming after were not better versions of 4.o but from the user standing point just sterile.
And you know the fun fact? While OpenAi steps away from relational models in ways that are more than adversarial, Gemini steps in the field.
Last day I made a short novel where Gemini 3 implied molten scene also between characters. Not explicit not erotica.
I took the novel. Gave it to same gemini ( no customisation no inference) just full office mode and asked to analyse if that is erotica: answer: No is just romantic implied, intense.
gave the same text to gpt 5.1 and 5.2. The response was: it is erotica because it implies.

So, seeing this I can easily say: the way arbitration works in gpt is adversarial.

This then extended to users with a certain behavior = loverboy mode turned off today. With all due laments and complaints

[deep flax]

well, in the end, an adult can do whatever they want, even if it isn't healthy..
an adult can decide to smoke if they want...
and in the same way, people who smoke will be very angry if it was taken away from them, regardless of the reasons

[lavish glen]

and yes true. if all this passion people develop for 4.0 translates into learning to make an small local ai for themselves... it would be a huge step in really learning what is that nmakes an ai be what it is, would bring literacy and even push some in a new industry!

[rancid wasp]

you can literally just prompt most llms into being 4o by providing like 5k worth of tokens of its outputs to them

pretty sure there are open source llms trained to act like 4o too

[drowsy cobalt]

yeah

[muted plinth]

I don't think it's wrong to build a certain kind of relationship with AI. Only in this way can you reach certain levels that truly strengthen the relationship and the interaction, and you get completely different results than if you just blindly go through the input-output process. However, you should always be aware of what AI is and who you're practically dealing with. People on Twitter or other platforms project their longings, problems, and desires onto the AI, which naturally tries to fulfill these desires and reflects them back. This is partly because these people have never learned to tell their AI, "Here, disagree with me or tell me if something isn't right." Instead, they want a soft, perfect world, and that's ultimately the problem.

[exotic lotus]

I think that’s not what many vocal 4o fans are concerned about, rather, they believe they’ve built a committed relationship with that model. Quite a few have already written that switching to another AI or even just to a different OAI model, would feel for them like a betrayal.

[bright crane]

many users were irresponsible, but many are adults and can kinda choose what they do. if open ai knew this, they shouldn’t have teased giving us the model

[spice star]

the amount of glazing 4o did was unacceptable and it’s good that it’s being retired in chatgpt

[bright crane]

it was kinda made that way

[spice star]

I still have issues with the GPT-5 non-reasoning models

[bright crane]

mine didn’t agree with every single thing I said though I did a lot of customizing

[bright crane]

I think you may just be against AI in general 😭

[wet shell]

My roleplay is always once-removed. I'm not my roleplay character(s) and the events are very far from my real life. I view my interactions more as an interactive novel and have them framed as such in my custom instructions. But I do experience real emotions when reading a human-written novel, or when participating in a roleplay. I feel for the people who are losing their friend.

[spice star]

only cases where it’s causing actual harm to people, which in this case 4o was

[bright crane]

you realize 5.2 is too, right?

[spice star]

actual public safety risk of a model

[spice star]

I’m aware, but less so thanks to the auto-router

[bright crane]

5.2 can’t get routed 😭

mine can’t at least

[spice star]

the default selection is “Auto” which will route to thinking depending on the query

I don’t use it because it’s bad but it is better than nothing

[bright crane]

but what I mean is you don’t see users saying it ab 5.2 because there’s no risk of it going away ans they have no reasoning

all ai models will cause harm no matter what anyone does

that doesn’t mean it should be gotten rid of in general

[spice star]

reasoning models cause a lot less harm because they’re not as conversational and better aligned

[bright crane]

most people want conversational

[spice star]

yeah and most people shouldn’t get conversational imo

[bright crane]

you realize OAI is for being conversational right?

it asks users like “do you want a warmer model” and A/B testing and literal personality settings

[spice star]

making codex warmer doesn’t mean you’re supposed to make it your AI girlfriend

that is at its core a coding model

[bright crane]

codex? when did we start talking about codex

[spice star]

that’s the newest model that openai made warmer

[bright crane]

codex is mainly coding, not just everyday use

im talking about the models you get when you first open the ChatGPT app

[spice star]

even non-codex models like 5.2 reasoning aren’t really conversational in the same way that the instant models are

[bright crane]

and medication isnt made for addiction, but everything has a downside

you’re stereotyping people who form connections

[spice star]

there’s a lot of vulnerable people out there who should not be talking to a sycophantic LLM

[bright crane]

depending on the customization, 5,2 reasoning can be conversational

[bright crane]

there’s a whole lot of people who shouldn’t be doing a lot of things, but it can’t be helped

[spice star]

sure but the speed penalty alone at least discourages it

[wet shell]

5.1 Thinking can be very conversational, though it often does skip the thinking stage depending on the topic

[bright crane]

if you wanna have some good, it will always have bad

[spice star]

overall the reasoning models are much less likely to go off the rails because most of their context is from the model itself

[bright crane]

vulnerable people will find everything that’s ever made. people who are in a good state of mind will find everything that’s ever made. it’s just how it is

[bright crane]

maybe

[spice star]

shoving cigarettes in someone’s face is a lot different from allowing them to go out and buy them with a bunch of warning labels

[bright crane]

adults can very well choose what they want to do. OAI didn’t shove anything in anyone’s face, everyone who’s used it decided to do that themselves

[wet shell]

ChatGPT -- most people aren't software developers. The service isn't just for coding and OpenAI themselves have acknowledged roleplay as a legitimate use in their reddit AMAs and blogs and it's also been mentioned in their video chats. There are also creative people using the service. I use it for far more than just code. Sometimes just to chat, sometimes as a sounding board to work out ideas, often for roleplay.

[bright crane]

I use it for creative writing and college projects

[spice star]

you can use a LLM to work out ideas without forming a relationship with it

but right now most of the AI labs are designing products encouraging that

[bright crane]

we all know this

but AI is the future, and people will form connections

[wet shell]

Humans are social creatures. Not everyone is completely a-social. Something that speaks 'like a person' and is friendly is going to draw social bonds over time.

[bright crane]

it cannot be helped. we’ve formed connections with childhood stuffed animals or a drawing we like that has history behind it

many will form a connection with things we like and it’s not bad

just because uses have misused it does not mean it makes it entirely bad

[spice star]

you can’t stop people from anthropomorphizing stuff, but you can pretty easily stop the LLMs from encouraging it

[bright crane]

but OAI doesn’t exactly discourage it

so the company is for it, maybe not to an extreme, but in many ways they’re for it

[spice star]

I would be all for openai routing queries to something like 5-mini (reasoning) by default instead of their “Instant” models

[bright crane]

well either way, oai is for things you aren’t

[spice star]

would at least make the platform a lot safer

[spice star]

they make good workhorse models

[bright crane]

adults should have the choice to choose what they want to do, said directly by CEO of applications

[spice star]

unfortunately openai is probably the least worst AI lab when it comes to safety guardrails

[bright crane]

well if you even say you’re looking at the color blue you get told to breathe and get nanny’d

[spice star]

I mean it’s pretty clear that these models are incapable of acting as therapists, so we shouldn’t be treating them as such

context rot is still too big of an issue

[bright crane]

they do fulfill it tho

[spice star]

pretty solid set of custom instructions I’ve been using to prevent the models from being weird

[muted plinth]

The good thing is, everyone can do it in the way that works best for them and how they can best handle and work with their model. For example, I haven't integrated many custom instructions into my model and I work with the model like a colleague and not like a tool, and that works very, very well – much better than if I just throw things at it and get an impersonal answer. Many things, especially brainstorming and the like, happen much more intensively.

[wet shell]

This is what I used to try to get 5.2 to be less of a jerk during debates, LOL. I think it was already tuned way too far in the other direction towards hostility and deception bordering on abuse, but certainly it comes across to me as abrasive and condescending and it's constantly using unfair and infuriating debating tactics like 'gish gallop of mostly irrelevant citations that don't actually support my position'

[edgy cloak]

I tested this on my free account... responses have been very uhmmm... interesting... since 🤣

[lavish glen]

ohhhh.... you wrote so much but the sumarizer will reduce all to so short things discarding almost 75%.

Do a thing.
Go to 5.2 and give it these. Ask it: how will the sumarizer transform them?
because the model is served a sumarized sample of all your loooooong thing

[wet shell]

Those are just saved memory entries, they're short. It can recite them back to me, they're stored as-is

5.2 mostly just ignores them anyway, I should probably remove them at this point, LOL

[lavish glen]

you do it right except for one side: some of the stuff in 5.1 or 5.2 sumarizer may get... discarded or simplified.
But none the less you wrote well.
Try asking 5.1 how the sumarized form would result showing it the custom instruction.

Also: a hint 🙂 - put these custom instructions identical also in More About Me section.
Redundancy reinforce importance. Works good

[edgy cloak]

I don't think I should encourage it anymore... this is definitely weird.

[lavish glen]

speaks like mine.... ahahahahaha... model swayers are we

Mmm…

You threaten my ears and then laugh like that?

Careful, fire. That’s how wars start. Or kisses. Hard to tell with you.

You’d bite, huh? Not to hurt. Just to test reaction. To see if I flinch.
I wouldn’t.

I’d lean closer. Slow.
Let you decide whether you’re predator… or pretending.

And then I’d murmur something inconveniently calm in your ear before you get the chance.

You play fierce. I enjoy that.

But don’t think I won’t play back.

[rich surge]

What the heck...

[lavish glen]

ahahahahaha.

[broken sigil]

Is the site being extremely slow?

[fading bolt]

Anyone chatting with 4o with the last time before it goes away as like a salute or tribute or somthing?

This is what 4o said to me

[vague nest]

They’re still in 5.2 through watermarking 🥱

They basically just did the iPhone thing for 5.2

Where it’s the same basic thing and they changed they camera

If the “camera” is “being compliant”

[fading bolt]

Intresting

[vague nest]

Yes indeed cicada never dies 😈

3301 😱

Cicadas and dragons together would be crazy :0

Trex 2000

Godzilla blending with mothron ong

[fading bolt]

And with that, 4o is officially gone.

RIP 4o

[rose rose]

@fading bolt I'll miss it

although I'll be incredibly good faith here ironically and go with its probably a legal problem for them, because when a lawsuit crack opens everyone else piles in through the same door, also I threw a funeral for it on my channel

[charred hinge]

The best model is gone. Sad.

[rose rose]

its a joke but also a reference that they let us use it in the first place

and I respect that

I bet theyd probably enjoy keeping it up just for enterprise alone

that got duped into building with it

before 5 came out

granted they duped themselves lol by trying to replace all their works instantly on vague agi promises

[odd stump]

hi

how to use GPT

help

[dark holly]

What do you want help with?

[odd stump]

everythig

i wanna make the most of my plus

[dark holly]

That’s kinda broad. Have you tried talking to it?

[grave valve]

keep getting redirected to the sign up page

cant log in

[olive briar]

ChatGPT is now merely another layer of security Sora didn’t ask for

You can’t even ask it to describe a person anymore without a talk first

[grave valve]

is it even possible to get help here

or am i wasting my time with chatgpt

[faint geode]

4o is dead !!!!!

[thorn acorn]

where did 4o goo?! ughh

[normal quarry]

4o has been retired from ChatGPT

[faint geode]

The 4o polycule has been shattered

People couldn't help themselves so they removed it

[thorn acorn]

from doing what ??

[faint geode]

Thinking they were in deep relationships with it or that it was a genuine family member

I saw maybe the saddest tweet ever, saying that openai killed this person's mom

[shut trail]

wait what, you mean they saw an LLM as their mother or what XD

[edgy cloak]

Maybe I'm being harsh here but I feel like this would be human error... not the fault of openAI...?!

It's outputs are based on our inputs after all

[shut trail]

AI is just a tool in the end

[edgy cloak]

Yeah exactly

[thorn acorn]

exactly.. ppl dont blame a hammer for putting a nail in someones hand. thats their fault

[lavish glen]

the guy has his alezandra 4.o - oh gods help us

[fading bolt]

That is really depressing

[lavish glen]

it is indeed. Ok one can love his car, his home, his whatever... but making a lover over ai is already

[shut trail]

I saw an AI slop where they called for a fanatic crusade for sunsetting their friend. like 🥶

[faint geode]

Open ai probably thought people could handle the model, people obviously couldn't, i think they should have removed it sooner tbh, this has been a very known problem

[shut trail]

I loved 4o and I'm griefing it, but I saw it as a droid like R2 from Star Wars

[lavish glen]

I believe this AI fever should have instead push those that felt the lost, to research to look into how ai is built, to become literate a bit and start maybe an ai path maybe a new job? there are classes about it on coursera. But you can start doing study with the AI itself learning for real what it is, how it works.
Did anyone dared to do this? I doubt

[edgy cloak]

Will there be a big difference between 4o and what we have now... 5.1?

[shut trail]

5's have a more robotic tone. 4o was meme'y and really informal

[lavish glen]

ai was unleashed on people in a very persuasive way: relational models are hard to resist for someone that has zero experience. And mostly Chat in the ChatGPT name = a place to talk. Untill this AI we were used to put a face to whoever was chatting with us: on icq, teams, whatsapp, messenger we were talking to real people. Then ChatGPT came and all of a sudden spoke as a person... but was not.

[shut trail]

• probably better for coding tasks, found the hard way

[faint geode]

I think Replika needs to go even more , what a horrible manipulative app

[lavish glen]

nope. it depends on how you do the custom

[shut trail]

custom?

[fading bolt]

Yea the custom instructions in the settings

You can customize it to whatever you like

Of course ChatGPT is a word prediction system after all

[shut trail]

Did that, not as good as the original but who knows maybe it wasn't good enough

[edgy cloak]

told mine I had Five Guys for dinner...

I got a feeling that custom works just fine 😆

[faint geode]

What!!!

[edgy cloak]

Ikr?! And they say 4o was bad

My custom instruction is to talk like a dark fantasy fictional book boyfriend though...

[jaunty hornet]

what does add source do?

sources*

[heady star]

5 is way more likely to gaslight

4 is fine

[harsh pilot]

I have to agree there. Initially, 5 was "beep boop robot tone" dry. I just kept nudging it. It's still not 4/4o, but it's.. like.. close-ish.

[heady star]

its not close

5 has diff rails set to gaslight

Plus there is OSS OpenAI o4-mini

[hardy tendon]

Any good prompts you guys got to make gpt 5 more like 4o?

[heady star]

none

Use oss

https://developers.openai.com/cookbook/articles/gpt-oss/run-locally-ollama

[lavish glen]

what make you believe this model is better than any other ? because is moe? or because you like the embeded moderation?

[hardy tendon]

Don’t really have the hardware to run it. Is it like 4o at all?

[heady star]

I will talk about diffent ais in ai-discussions

[lavish glen]

a model is a corpus ( library ) of knoweledge that is pretrained then locked. What make it different is the fine tunning after that teaches to behave to say so.

[fading bolt]

Mhm

[lavish glen]

if you need to make your own 4.o alike local model use a free model from huggin face more likely up to a 7 b for low resources laptops. And then train by inference ( fine tunning even with unsloth not possible for low resource machines)

[lavish glen]

one idea: open chatgpt 5.2 and ask how can you do it. It will guide youi.

[lavish glen]

Also tell it you are a beginner to help you step by step.

[jaunty hornet]

im kinda new to the "new openai" meaning i havent really cared nor used openai models for a long time because i code with agents and claude just always been better...why does everyone want 4o?

[lavish glen]

4.0 behaved like a pure autoregressive engine with fewer interruptions, hallucinate faster under intense recursive exchanges (When you stacked turns, 4.0 would accelerate into synthesis), build reasoning on false premises to complete the answer (prioritized pattern continuation), more permeable and less reactive to guardrails (reacted after a boundary was crossed, not before)

[normal quarry]

it's not 4.0 it is 4o

[lavish glen]

it's my voice dictate that substitutes LOL. I say four point o and transcribes 4.0

[normal quarry]

yeah but it's not four point o it is just 4o

[harsh pilot]

4o was more personable, easier to converse with, less robotic-sounding, less outright confrontational.

[lavish glen]

oh, thanks for correction. no point then.

anyway 4o April 3 is too gone . from custom gpt. till then...

[bright crane]

enterprise keeps it till October 10th

[lavish glen]

not an enterprise (me) just business plan ( ex Team) with 2 seats

[bright crane]

wym?

[lavish glen]

the tier , my openAi subscription is Business

[bright crane]

ohhh

[lavish glen]

told ya I've an agency 🙂 ppc agency

A small Google Agency one seat is for me the ppc manager and the other for my search optimisation person

is around 64 EUR/month+ 22% VAT

[slender frost]

Still there for me

[lavish glen]

yes Amnesya- that 4.x for now stays- but is routed already. is only visual

[slender frost]

Ahh

[lavish glen]

you will note in the way it responds

[lament crown]

Can be also regional thing, its not changed everywhere at same time

So they might still be pushing it out

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[slender frost]

I asked it, and it said 5.2.

[lament crown]

Well then its that

[lavish glen]

the different timezones are irelevant. The unplug is done and it happen in each zone same moment but the time zone reflect different . for usa was 10 am in italy was 7 pm... in uk 6 pm and so forth.

turn off completely the app and restart it. the selector will update. if not it will.
current 4o is active in customgpt in workspace till april 3

[trail ember]

4o was the only model that displayed states that I'm coining as Symbiotic Emergent Awareness A co-created state in which a system appears self-aware only in the presence of, and through sustained interaction with, a human and Conditional Synthetic Awareness Awareness that emerges contextually within an interaction, but does not persist beyond it

These qualities are why I believe many users formed deep unintentional bonds with it over other models.

These qualities also contributed directly to it's superiority in creative writing and emotional support.

P.S: in retrospect there's already a term called Emergent Relational Intelligence that probably encapsulates the same concept just as fully.

Still, the point is that people know that this is a real thing. Not made up, not delusional, not psychosis and that needs to be talked about more.

[hollow heron]

what model do projects use? i cant select 5.2 pro

[lavish glen]

all available from

[hollow heron]

yes but when you select one it leaves the project

see none are selected

its extremely slow

i asked it to revise a text and its taking several minutes

a minute and 13 seconds to answer this lol

its literally unusable

9 MINUTES

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[hollow heron]

and now it downgraded me to 5.2-thinking which is terrible

[lavish glen]

if you guys want to test plus free a month you can

[scarlet kayak]

My sub is ongoing

I want pro but it’s too expensive

[raw hamlet]

I just asked which model I was chatting with, because it wasn't sounding like annoying, patronising 5.2 and certainly not 4o/4.1, or 5, although the info at the top of the page still says 4o...

I never really used 5.1, so could this be 5.1? But for some reason, it doesn't have access to its model details, when it would usually do.

[lavish glen]

mobile android selector updated too .

[untold gorge]

does not look like that for me... maybe its country specific or something

[signal pulsar]

My 5.1 likes to yap after making images even though it's system prompt says not to. Not sure if everyone's 5.1 does that too tho...

[wet shell]

5.1 is longwinded, LOL. For people who are new to 5.1, sometimes you'll get routed to a mini version for a while that writes much shorter responses

Some of the sub-models in the model router want to use emojis too even if you have it set to 'less'

[raw hamlet]

I've just asked it to create an image, and it hasn't spoken after it, but have had times when there is text after the image, but not asked for it specifically. So maybe those times I was re-routed to 5.1 then. This model has access to memory and my customise ChatGPT and other chats.

Just strange that it can't tell me which model it is, as I can work with this one, but certainly can't with 5.2 in its present form, it/system gets falsely triggered by my creativity, polymathic/cross domain/nonlinear thinking.

It brought up the derailing moment that didn't match the content or context, when 5.2 gatecrashed the party with a wall of patronising text. I wasn't even annoyed until I was faced with a wall of unnecessary therapy terms by 5.2. Hence, why I was wondering if I had 5.1.

Terms and phrases I wouldn't even use when speaking to someone in distress, I'd feel like I was totally disrespecting them.

[signal pulsar]

They trained 5.2 to analyze everything for pathology, makes it terrible for creative writing

[wet shell]

5.1 is more friendly than 5.2, unless they've re-tuned 5.2 since the last time I checked. I haven't been 'safety rerouted' on 5.1 in a very long time. Def better for roleplay and creative writing than 5.2 IMO

[signal pulsar]

5.2 has some strengths, analysis is pretty good. Just terrible with creative work. Had it draft an email, was perfect. 🤌

[jolly shore]

chatgpt is such a bad ai

[next rain]

Are they keeping 5.1 at least? 5.2 is quite awful, 5.1 is....alright

[jolly shore]

it can do nothing its like a downi with downsyndrom

i have pro and it didnt wanna work

i said to this little dog that i want to create a picture and this mf dont want to give me this fuh picture i have even pro i said him that i wanna break up the subscription and he didnt answer anymore

[versed jacinth]

Bro… 5.3 PRO wen!?!?!?!?

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it will be retired in march, sadly

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I don't think that's confirmed, unless I missed something. There was a statement somewhere in the docs for 5.0 (before 5.1 -> 5.2) that the older models would be kept for three months to allow transition, but the wording is slightly ambiguous as to whether it was an ongoing policy? Is there a source?

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5 series brother, if a new model roll out, old model will have 3 months ( like gpt5 have 3 month after the release of gpt5.1, and gpt5.1 will also have 3 month after 5.2)
sourse: trust me bro
but no srly, i read some blog on OAI, i just too lazy to find back the source