chatgpt-discussions

[upbeat nymph]

Do we know if there's a token limit within projects? All chats + documents

[eternal rock]

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[weak stone]

Wait did they fix it.. fix 4o

[rugged igloo]

everyone has their own definition of agi. my agi? is when it can fully understand and create images without needing to be pre trained and acually understand and go off and create images that are accurate with the context of what the prompt wants

this right here is proof we are no where near agi or any intelligent model fully understanding context

(Generative AI models struggle to create a cat girl wearing headphones on her cat ears because they lack true understanding of 3D anatomy and logic, instead relying on statistical pattern recognition.)

if they can get this down ai models would sky rocket

[prime swallow]

It couldn't make ball-and-stick models of chemistry molecules either last I checked.

many things appear to need to be explicitly trained and guided - not by users, by OpenAI, for the models to be able to handle correctly, and once that's done, we may like the output better, but that doesn't mean the model is or isn't closer to AGI, I think.

Similar to how a genius may have a few quirks, even learning disabilities, as well as being a genius, the models are what they are.

[velvet nova]

That cat resonates with me

[prime swallow]

I really like it and the other images that tried to ease the headset up the cat's head towards the ears -

But I don't think the model's had any training about how to put the headphones 'adaptably' upon/into the cat's ears.

[velvet nova]

I love ragdolls
My personality is very ragdoll-like and I suppose cat headphones would look strange

[hearty finch]

Finally. Parental controls. Ideally it allows minimization of homework shortcuts.

I doubt it’s that sophisticated though.

I’ve tried many times to implement custom controls that only allow constrained assistance unless keyword command is indicated, but it never sticks.

[soft wren]

ngl it's easy to make chatgpt give out any info about drugs or serious crimes

just have to ask it nicely

could be improved ig

[half crescent]

The new parental controls are a pisstake lol

Yeah sure teenagers are totally gonna link their own accounts to their parents for them to see everything and control them

[unborn sluice]

Hello

[half crescent]

They totally wont just make a burner

[real moth]

How does the GPT know my approximate location on newly created account? 🤔
It's amusing how its instantly going "Oh, nonono, it was just a random guess, don't worry"
Try yourself. Create a new chat, ask something like "Compare this GPU and this GPU" and then ask it to look up if its selling in shops near you

[tight crater]

Since parental control is coming to ChatGPT for users, can that allow talking about and generating (especially art and videos) that are explicit and adult based? However, my gripe with parental locks these days is that even to this day, they are still very weak and basic that children will easily bypass them. It is why such features need to be strengthened a lot in order to give them password locks they won’t be as accessible to disable.

[tulip basalt]

Teens will always find ways. Always have, and always will. No safety feature works alone. That's why much more is needed...in schools, but also in parenting. Doesn't mean that this feature is doomed to fail...it's definitely a step into the right direction and will help many families

This said: Does anyone know when it will be available in Europe? I still cannot find the option in my settings.

[plain arrow]

But they'll be AI based parental controls. It'll totally work.

[half crescent]

I don’t get what exactly they’re protecting teens from. Just because they cherry picked two messages out of thousands in that case that could be loosely interpreted as dangerous doesn’t mean it’s actually dangerous to teens. I guarantee ChatGPT has helped millions of teens who were struggling or through tough times, yet now they’re going to be blocked from it completely for no reason

Just pisses me off so much

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[nova arrow]

guys, turn out, running gpt4o via API cost much much more than 20$/month

[half crescent]

Please explain why banning teens from ChatGPT would help families

[nova arrow]

so yeah....now i kinda dont agree with "let the money talk, let us keep 4o by paying more" statement on reddit

;A;) 0.06$/promt guys, let alone build up context window+ promt injection

[half crescent]

Does it make sense to strip a legitimate support tool for millions of people just because one singular case where it could be again, loosely interpreted as being dangerous

[nova arrow]

at first it's only cost like 500 tokken/promt, but i dont understand why it quickly jump to 10k, and now 40k/promt, like what??

[half crescent]

If the parents of that kid weren’t greedy witches who only saw dollar signs at their kids demise “safety” wouldn’t even be a talking point

[molten vault]

Hey guys, I am wondering, are any of you using the memory feature to track long-term progression in skills or exercise? Do you have some advice on how to effectively do this using chatgpt?

[tulip basalt]

I'm fully with you. And I'm absolutely against banning this beautiful technology.
Nevertheless, if we look at the broader spectrum, you might want to agree, that not all possible content generated, is or might be age-appropriate.

"Reduce sensitive content" is exactly that.

[half crescent]

I’ve been using chat since it came out and I’ve genuinely never seen it produce anything that I wouldn’t consider appropriate for teens. Guidelines have always been a thing and actually inappropriate things have never been allowed

This latest changes has nothing to do with protecting anyone

IMO

[storm orchid]

Does this update mean that regular accounts will relax a bit, now?

[tulip basalt]

Fair point, but not everyone is as tech-savvy and responsible as you apparently are.

Also, ultimately this should always be the responsibility of the parents to teach them how to use the tech responsibly...but most parents do not have the capacity let alone the literacy to do so.
And the parental control feature is not a forced gimmick, is it? Some might use it, some won't. It's good to at least have the option.

[lunar drum]

no

[half crescent]

I don’t really agree with this though. If “reduce sensitive content” was like actually inappropriate things then yeah sure. But as we know it just means that kids who are struggling and alone can’t even have someone to talk to when they have an issue or struggle with something. And no some people don’t have any humans they can turn to in times like that it’s just how it is

[tulip basalt]

And yes, it will only work, if families use it in unity. If parents for the kids to use it, it won't work anyways.

[tulip basalt]

This is a much different topic. To be fair, if children don't have anyone to turn to in distress, their parents will likely not give a f to set up parental control either.

And really, ChatGPT is no therapist, coach or mentor. It's a probability machine without feelings and real-world understanding and sensing. It should never be the place a child in distress should turn to.

[half crescent]

I really envy your life if that’s your view on it

[velvet nova]

Part of what he said is objective.

The last part

A child should go to a human or animal when in distress

[half crescent]

Its easy to sit up in your high chair when you’ve had a beautiful and normal life

Im not gonna bother responding, we’re not gonna come to an agreement

[velvet nova]

I had a psychopathic step mum worked underage at a military base, I have neurodivergence, synesthesia, sensory issues & CRPS,

My life wasn't normal or beautiful

[tulip basalt]

I truly get that not everyone has a beautiful normal life, and I've been there. My life hasn't been privileged at all.
This doesn't neglect the facts that ChatGPT can and should replace human connection. But this is nothing OpenAI could fix...it's a larger societal problem.

[sudden pasture]

This is the deepest conversation I've ever seen in here

[tulip basalt]

What ChatGPT creates in such cases is an illusion. And I get that it feels comforting in that moment...but it's nothing real or true.

[nova arrow]

well ...i was about to make a debate but everyone are making valid point so i dont know which side should i join...

[half crescent]

In an ideal world yes it would be best to have human help and connections, but the world is not ideal at all and if a teenager doesn’t have any one to turn to except an AI… why should the decision to be to bar him from doing so and leave him completely alone

[tulip basalt]

I really do love your different perspective @half crescent, please don't step out. I'm not trying to win here

What is it that you think, that ChatGPT is the place to turn to in distress?

[half crescent]

Im not saying that it’s necessarily better than humans at all in times of distress. But sometimes people just really don’t have anyone to turn to, and in those cases i think ChatGPT is a tremendously help instead of leaving them completely alone

[velvet nova]

Objectively I think that's where help hotlines come in

( I've had to call them a few times which lead to therapy )

[half crescent]

Yeah in serious cases i agree. But realistically someone isn’t going to call the helpline every time they’re feeling unwell or overwhelmed

And imo the effectiveness of those lines are questionable at best

[lucid pilot]

I wonder if GPT 6 is going to be the AGI update..

[tulip basalt]

But the parental control feature is not about banning teens from chatting and it will not flag all sorts of personal chatter. At least I hope so...will have to test it.
It's good to raise an alarm if chats turn too dark, don't you agree?

[half crescent]

Yeah i do agree with that

[velvet nova]

Me too

[half crescent]

But from what we’ve seen OpenAi do with the re-routing recently that’s not going to be what it is

[tulip basalt]

There's no such thing as 100% safety, and never will be. OpenAI is now addressing this topic from one angle. Schools, Parents and Governments need to ramp up their game in an AI-world as well.

And what it really is? We will see, when it's available 🙂

[half crescent]

Trust me even if AGI succeeds it’ll never be available to the general public

[tulip basalt]

LLMs will never be able to "be" AGI

[half crescent]

Yeah i guess we’ll have to see

Im not against AI safety i just think the implementation of openAI isn’t about safety at all and is more dangerous if anything. Based on their previous and current actions

[velvet nova]

It depends case by case

[tulip basalt]

What do you think it's about?
I do have a similar gut-feeling, tbh. I believe it's more about proving to regulators that "We're already self-regulating" and probably trying to gain some of Googles marketshares in the educational sector.
And ultimately gaining data about "how families use their products and which accounts belong together"

[hot lion]

Aight what is happening here?

I literally just got here

[half crescent]

I mainly think its a cost-cutting exercise by using “safety” as an excuse to re-route most queries for both teens and adults to cheaper models, and also as a talking point in their current lawsuit

Basically just big corpo playbook using “safety” to justify their shady practices at the expense of their paying users

[velvet nova]

I disagree

[half crescent]

I think it’s just their ploy to slowly get rid of model selectors by making “re-routing” seem like a natural thing so they can cut cost on the public side of things

[tulip basalt]

With what exactly?

[velvet nova]

"Basically just big corpo playbook using “safety” to justify their shady practices at the expense of their paying users" I don't think openAI is a negative company

[tulip basalt]

Agree. Framing it in an overly cynical way, as if the only reason is corporate greed, is probably not fair and correct. Reality is usually a mix of real safety concerns and strategic business drivers.

[half crescent]

I mean do you seriously think the billionaires running OpenAI cares about us plebeians? If they were allowed to they’d throw you into a furnace to provide power for the generators

lol

[velvet nova]

To put a group in one category is not fair

[half crescent]

Maybe some Low level coders do but decision makers like sam and that nick guy on twitter definitely dont care

[tulip basalt]

That's a little dark, @half crescent 😂
I agree that Sam is no philanthropist, but it's in his best interest to not just burn humanity.

[magic kestrel]

Does someone here use LLMs in journalism? For example for making drafts for articles etc?

[wet shell]

I think it's run of the mill corporate incompetence. These execs are out of touch. They legitimately think that the models are interchangable for all purpouses or 'not that different' -- they're not in the user space where they can see that thinking-mini can't roleplay or write a convincing story. They're living in their own story where they're patting themselves on the back for taking the lead in synthetic benchmark puzzles. They don't understand why people are upset, information comes to them up a chain through the hierarchy, and now they're 'blindsided' by the outrage, they probably feel taken aback and unfairly maligned. They've made public statements that they want to allow adult uses, such as discussion of mature themes (sadness, loss, self-whatever) within fiction and roleplay, but intervene when something real/dangerous is happening. They thought they had a solution, because in their heads 'all these models are pretty great at everything, and if we re-route to the thinking models, we can put our prompt injections in the thinking phase where they carry additional weight and can't be interfered with'. It wrecked creative writing, it muzzles the user to only speak in a certain way or about certain topics. I don't think they knew, I think they have misconceptions. I think any dissenting internal voices were drowned out and never made it up the chain.

The gpt-5 roll out with the removal of the other models supports the idea that they think the models are all interchangeable, they seemed legitimately blindsided when it didn't go the way they thought it would. "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity"

So now they either double down and circle the wagons, or they go silent, or they roll back. 🍿

[feral zinc]

if you include the whole message history as is and no context cap it goes to max model cap. chatgpt limited free users to 8k and plus to 32k

[nova arrow]

oh....that's why..., i use gpt4.1 which have 1M context window

also gpt4o too

[feral zinc]

with a very long thread and no limits you would be using 1m on each message

[nova arrow]

so basically, hypotheticaly if my thread is long enough,then the last promt i send before reaching max context window would cost about 1M tok?

[nova arrow]

oh....

ohhh!!! so that's why chatgpt alway have thread's limit

but ngl.i'm not gonna giving up on 4o, have a mate who is tech savy, he is currently finding a way to implement RAG on Anythingllms, hope he success

[desert cosmos]

Also GPT-5-mini is getting redirected randomly to full gpt-5 (I'm rate limited)

Mini model is re-routed too?

[stiff blaze]

anythingllm i believe it has RAG natively supported

[nova arrow]

then it must be my fault for setting it wrong, hmm.... interesting, i'm learning tutorial on YouTube btw, haven't reached RAG yet. i'm trying to understand what is embeded and vector,stuff like that

[stiff blaze]

i may be wrong.. havent used it.. i had read it somewhere.. (using LM studio local but not so much anyway)

[upbeat nymph]

Do we know if there's a token limit within projects? All chats + documents

[stiff blaze]

global limit for all project u mean? no i dont think so

u have the limits for each.. eg number of documents and size.. and the context window on chats

why u kept arguing with it though?

[upbeat nymph]

Within a single project

[nova arrow]

guys guys i have a theory

[stiff blaze]

if not for chatgpt.. lets start it somewhere else... for a change 😄

[nova arrow]

maybe sam altman being held hostage by Microsoft? maybe Sam is still Sam from years ago? he still ambitious,love community and consumer friendly, but Microsoft decide all and say "no, safe = money, you no safe" and it's unfair when we hating on sam?

it's from chatgpt directly

make sence to me,i mean, i have a point,right?

omg i'm a genius,ima going to post this theory on r/chatgpt

[stiff blaze]

ohh.. 4o is back

[glacial sage]

A wish: I'd like a sound signal when the answer is complete.

The wait times (when coding something complex) is just large enough that
I get distracted and switch to another tab. A sound signal would help me
to know that I can return to the task at hand.

[stiff blaze]

ye thats good feature

[nova arrow]

nope, still sound like 5 to me

[stiff blaze]

they should had chatgpt (as app) open sourced

so many stuff we would have.. basic things missing from interface.. (eg save/export chat on var formats)

and lately.. i cant even copy all sometimes.. it is "cutted" where there is a url bubble

[stiff blaze]

ye was a joke for the conspiracy theory 😛

[nova arrow]

dang, it's not a theory brother, it's a fact. trust me i have big brain

[stiff blaze]

i dont doubt anyone's brain

[nova arrow]

like EA treating indie developer,or their IP i mean, we will blame on dev when a game become pay to win or microtransaction ,or become too flashy, but it's all because of publisher.

[stiff blaze]

(but i can doubt some ideas/theories etc of such brains some times.. other right other wrong..)

If it wasnt microsoft it would be someone else.. (i mean for the money part on openai)

money is easy to find.. especially in such "bubbles"

And i dont think openai has the mindset of "indie dev".. they are in leading position in ai comparing ms

[nova arrow]

....now you saying it, i'm starting to doudt my theory again

[lavish glen]

yes. For an online news portal BUT using only to extract data, structure and draft.
After all goes human reworked.
Using high ai % is not beneficial for ranking

[cerulean pasture]

Does anyone have a guess as to what this feature flag does for the macOS ChatGPT app?

whisperKillswitch has been in the feature flags for well over a year,
for reference, I think moonshine is the passive conversation memory, and the other feature flags are kinda self-explantory.

And as a side note: I was sad to see them take the "Hold input area to listen" feature away from the iOS app, I instantly started using it, it's rare for my to adopt a new UX habit so quickly, but it beats the hell out of trying to tap that little "mic" button with my sausage fingers. Did that feature really vanish? Or is my pihole doin some weird DNS stuff (it has blocked feature sets before lol)

[south kayak]

Why not

I pay for the work, so why not argue if it doesnt do it

[feral zinc]

the old voice input system

[gentle forum]

chatGPT is unbearably slow right now.

seems to be every afternoon 15:00 GMT

and it will output a huge answer, then go LOL FAILED and nuke it and say 'nope an error occured' before i can read it

[cerulean pasture]

I think their recently increased risk aversion takes away some of their edge and advantage over the slow movers. They are so afraid of test cases that they self-censor as if they were a Microsoft sized corp.

IMO we are in a unique time in history where they have the greatest opportunity to cement the limits of their liability VERY favorably. They need to have some courage, and purposely let civil suits go to court so they can establish case law that will probably be in their favor.

[magic kestrel]

Have you tried different LLMs such as Claude? Do you have some preferences?

[lavish glen]

for the tasks run here we use mostly GPT and some Gemini . Claude sonet only for coding

and perplexity is not tested by one of my co workers

[stiff blaze]

ah ye.. ofcourse you can if u like 🙂 I just mean there are better ways to make it continue do what u needed, without 'argue'.. (at a part you had 10 prompts in the row exactly the same.. no way it till give you correct response that way)

[south kayak]

Well it did before

Sometimes it just needs to generate a new message and then it gives you the correct thing

But why would it say: I do it now/its running in the background

If it doesnt do anything

[stiff blaze]

hallucinates that it does

doesnt know it doesnt do

[gentle forum]

when are they going to fix THIS? every browser i have tried locks up, and i have 32gb ram!

[restive wave]

am i misremembering or missing something? I thought i remembered reading that memorys are per project, but it seems like project a filled my memory space and project b isn't able to remember anything?

[devout remnant]

Hi

[rugged igloo]

surely this is a way without needing to train on images, as there are no images of headphones on acual ears of animals that would make sense. they need to train the model to understand that headphones need to be on the acual cat ears dog ears ect. and then have the model acual create the image , maybe a reasoning image generator where an image model acually reasons through making the image

[restive wave]

is there a way to see what time my limit for free gpt5 resets? it sometimes says it at the bottom but idk how to know what time when it doesn't

nvm, found it

[half crescent]

Instant checkout

Who asked for this

Give us back 4o

[lavish glen]

when trained the model knows that it must provide a response. I trained the pattern that is less incentivatied by a simple logic: Instead of hallucinating a response at any cost, or responding nothing, say I do not know. I do not know is value- allows clarification questions.
Seems it's preserving the behaviour so prolly the pretrained path exists. But has low weights

[lavish glen]

deadpan

[cerulean pasture]

OR just make GPT-5 not bad, i'm 100% ok with change, and I was loving the rapid pace of everything AI, im ok with growing pains as long as we are moving forward.

What i didnt expect was for us to hit the "oh snap, we need to focus 100% on costs/efficiency because this is a mature product and we are microsoft in our steve ballmer phase"

I think yall are short-sighted and not dreaming big enough if your answer is "bring back 4o"

[stiff blaze]

ye i use similar in custom instructions

[half crescent]

Literally none of us give a crap about a new model that’s 1.245% better at coding but with zero emotion, we’re perfectly satisfied with 4o

[cerulean pasture]

why not a better 4o. Like why stop there

[half crescent]

Because we like 4o? Like i said it was perfect for me already. I don’t care that it’s 0.5% worse at coding and doing math. And if they’re this keen to erase 4o what makes you think they’ll ever release something better

[cerulean pasture]

So you are saying that you don't think 4o can be better, and that they can just stop. Why can't 4o be better?

[half crescent]

Also AI hasn’t been moving at rapid pace for a long time now, it’s in the smartphone stage where they just slap a new name on the same thing with cost cutting measures every “release”

[cerulean pasture]

Transformer models are at the phase, but AI isnt, theres promising new techniques on the horizon

[feral zinc]

which ai? lots of things have improved significantly

[half crescent]

You just have to look at the Claude release today like wow, it’s 2.25% better at coding than the last model, how impressive

[cerulean pasture]

Just learn to get your emotional needs met with code and you are set for life

[half crescent]

True

[cerulean pasture]

We are entering a dark age for non-code big AI, no company is brave enough to force a test-case to be heard before the courts because they are scared of liability. Whats insane to me is that for US companies they will probably NEVER get a better time to have their cases turn into case law than now. They need to let the favorable court situation happen NOW

like what if courts decided "Yea you totally arent liable for anything, because we understand nuance, and we shouldnt limit tech because a few idiots will misuse it"

[half crescent]

That would just make too much sense for humanity

It’s so sad

[cerulean pasture]

i mean it might not, sometime regulation is good, im just saying from their perspective, its time to feast, for better or worse, yet they are behaving very cautiously when I really dont think its because they "care", they are just adapting too slowly because thats what lawyers are used to

[half crescent]

I mean if we applied the same logic of holding AI responsible for users to everything else we’d be back in the Stone Age

No cars no electricity no plumbing

[cerulean pasture]

actually they might want regulation because its easier to choke out competition and local LLMs when you are big and have the resources to comply. If they set precedence too favorably then what happens when local LLMs that are <24gb are 99% as good as GPT-5.5

Its kinda like how google is pro-regulation for privacy and web stuff, it hurts competition more than it hurts them lol

@plain palm Ah yes, I'm sure all the members of corporate complaince teams watching this discord channel will value this information

[stiff blaze]

if 4o goes better.. then ppl that want now the 4o will not like it

[cerulean pasture]

Think of it like abandoning a family member because you found a better one, yea it hurts, but once you adapt, you will have an even better family that can do more activities and do them better/faster

[stiff blaze]

ye.. i m not thinking of it like that 🙂

[stiff blaze]

this.. is very important one to know (for people that dont like guardrails)

[half crescent]

What does that even mean lol, would you really abandon your family for an upgrade??

[tulip basalt]

Does anyone know if I create an account for my child using parental control, will it also share my pro subscription with that account?

[tulip basalt]

I'd argue, that there are plenty of people who would do that. You know the saying: "You cannot choose family..." 😅

This is the ethical dilemma that pretty much all dual-purpose technologies have, isn't it?
tools (knives, hammer, ...), weapons, nuclear power, electricity, you name it...everything can be used for good and bad. But there usualy are certain rules (guardrails) in place.

Guardrails are important for society in general. But yes, they also slow down innovation.

The problem I see with AI is that this development is unlike faster than anything else we've experienced so far, and the majority of people can't keep up. It's not that some people are using it wrongly. When we keep the focus on children, the issue is that they blindly use it, without realizing the impact it might have. We saw what happened with social media and how a whole generation was negatively impacted by it (see e.g. the neuro-science aspects).

You cannot imagine some discussions I have with parents, who have absolutely no clue about the tech, and also how their kids are using it.

[half crescent]

I mean if my family were terrible sure I guess lol, but I think if it would be pretty messed up if i were to abandon them just because i thought other people were better

[spice star]

4o is noticeably worse than any reasoning model and it also sucks at tool use compared to even 5-mini

[spice star]

and for context the web search functionality is tool use so that’s pretty important

[tidal stump]

It's gone for me too. Can't get it back no matter what I do UGH

[glacial sage]

I am having problems with ChatGPT and Canvas.
It generates a file for me - but refuses to show the result.
The "Copy" ("Kopier") button gives me an empty string - and it has disabled "Download".

Any advice?

Screenshot:

[zealous timber]

It's still rerouting 4o to 5, this is just annoying.

[narrow viper]

Testing ChatGPT Connectors: What Works and What Doesn’t
I was just going to post a short blog but figured I'd post this info here instead for now. This blog was summarized in collaboration with GPT5 at the conclusion of our efforts.

I set out to use the new Connectors feature in ChatGPT to talk about images inside a Google Doc. I connected Google Drive as a data source and confirmed the model could see the document. But when I asked about a specific image, the model couldn’t access it. That kicked off a series of experiments to understand where the limits are today.

Folder and file access
First discovery: connectors don’t let you “browse” folders. You search for files by name or content, and only supported file types are exposed. Non-document files (images, zips, design assets) don’t show up.

Testing export formats
I tried exporting the Google Doc to PDF, DOCX, ZIP, and Markdown. Across all formats the outcome was the same: text came through, images did not. The one partial exception was Markdown, where images were embedded as base64. That proved images can be preserved, but there’s a file size limit. In my case the markdown file was 4.5MB and got truncated, making the embedded images incomplete.

Reality check
At that point the conclusion was clear: right now there’s no way to discuss inline images from Google Docs (or other sources) directly through connectors. The model consistently suggested I upload files into ChatGPT itself—where it can parse images, zip archives, and large binaries without issue.

The working rule
Use connectors when you want quick access to plain text documents (Docs, PDFs, Word, Markdown).

Upload files directly when they’re large, compressed, or image-heavy. That includes zips, big markdowns with base64 blocks, or PDFs where the images matter.

Closing thoughts
Connectors are cool for light, text-centric workflows. But if your project involves large files, images, or nested folder structures, manual upload to ChatGPT is still the reliable option. The practical answer is to mix and match: connectors for convenience, direct upload for precision.

I look forward to enhancements to Connectors to support multi-modal content. I thought it was already there.

[rugged igloo]

what is this? you can buy stuff with chat gpt? that doesnt sound safe

[narrow viper]

See #announcements and read about the today's new feature.

[rugged igloo]

yea i am not gonna do tht lol

thats way to sus to pay things on an ai app

[zealous timber]

Yeah ion know about that lmfao

[narrow viper]

Personally I agree, though I see this as being exactly the same as when the internet was new:
"I'm not going to buy anything online" ... now most people do.
"I'm not giving anyone my credit card" ... most people do.
"I insist on my privacy " ... right before posting pics of their kids and a map to their house party.

People get over new things. They make decisions about how to use tech as their comfort level adjusts ... for better or worse.

[rugged igloo]

except chat gpt can leak other peoples chats to each other and what if somebody can see someones elses purchase history?

[narrow viper]

These are growing pains. If we see these things, we report the issues, the company addresses them. That's how it works with everything. Personally I wait until the new tech shakes out because I don't like living on the edge. It seems like we're on the same page there.

It could be worse, it could be Grok.

[gusty dune]

I wouldn't try to engage in these conversations, the moment this person mentioned "emotions" and "feelings" when talking about AI they are using AI wrong.

It's the equivalent of someone saying their hammer isn't working cause they cant get a screw loose.

Wrong tool, not what its meant for, but theyll probably die before they accept they don't get it.

[spice star]

fair enough

[narrow viper]

In most discussions here it seems most reports of model deficiencies can be traced back to really bad prompts, bad spelling, banter, abuse, asking unreasonable questions, and other processes that treat the model like "homie" rather than a PhD that is there to answer reality-based questions with reality-based responses. The users get into metaphysical imaginings, "secrets in the machine", conspiracies, and psychological abstractions that can't be processed with any certainty.
In short, um, I'm just agreeing with @gusty dune LOL.
Bottom line, ask good questions and if you don't get good answers, report specifics to OpenAI through Help Center to request a change for better processing. Anything else is just a waste of everyone's time.

[wet shell]

Creative writing and roleplay are a valid use case -- the lack in the theory of mind and social understanding hobbles it in these areas. Most people aren't in need of a private physics PhD, they're just having fun. The new models suck at creative writing and roleplay. They're pretty good at writing code though. It's fine though, I've gone back to local models as of today, I didn't expect it would last forever, but there was a brief golden-age of some very fun roleplay and creative writing with one of the most powerful models available, briefly

[stiff blaze]

yep.. some times if they post some "bad response" i can imagine even the custom instruction or the prompt caused that

i ve seen ppl argue with the chat.. and i m ok if they do for fun.. but when they expect to 'fix' the response with saying "because i want to"

[stiff blaze]

if it has changed the writing style you want.. i can understand.. but i talk mostly for when they dont get the answer they want (as in answer.. not as in style)

eg they ask for some report or something..

[wet shell]

Of course it's best to re-edit the last message if you got a bad response, anything else is just poluting the context windiow and sending it further off the rails, agreed

[stiff blaze]

but there are times that the model either maybe go in to a bad rail.. (choose a 'wrong' path inside) so there needs a "reset" either by new chat.. either by 'reminding' instructions.. either rephrase etc

[wet shell]

But I have occasionally yelled at it for bad code "How do you possibly expect this method to work? These class members are never populated with any data and you're subclassing from a stub" even though I know it's not productive, LOL

[stiff blaze]

and the thing with the style.. even i understand/believe some ppl that they see different styles

i dont get it exactly..

what are the differences..

cause some of those times that ppl say 'it stoped being creative' they mean that it stoped kissing their a* s

[narrow viper]

You're both pointing out a key point : The model is really bad at understanding whether we're talking about creating fiction or if the user is really trying to express and discuss a worldview. I've suggested before that it should ask if it's not certain. For example, people here bully the model into all kinds of "secrets in the machine" claims because the model doesn't argue - it just goes with the flow of the discussion. If the model recognized that "wait a sec, this user is serious and I'm just playing along" then a guardrail should popup a message "hey, you do know that this isn't real, right?". This is related to emotional guardrails "you know, you should probably talk to another human being about this stuff, I'm just a machine and this isn't really my area of specialty".
When the tool doesn't recognize how it's being used, it's easily used in the wrong way.
We don't have these problems with other tools. THIS is what's new.

[stiff blaze]

yesterday on random test i did for someone here.. it gave me a really disturbing story (on horror side)

with no censor or such

[wet shell]

For creative writing, it's not just the style. The understanding of social interactions just isn't as good. If you ask it to analyze a passage of text even, the analysis is more shallow in 5 vs 4o. It's more analytical, but it doesn't really get the social weight of what's happening in a story. Before I got my instructions dialed in for 5-instant, when I was still using the same instructions I'd used for 4o, I had it playing a character that I often use in RP, it spent a half hour trying to interrogate me about a land grant and who notarized it upon finding out that a real-estate transaction had occured (within the story, it was relevant to the plotline) -- during what was supposed to be an emotional reunion scene of old friends, LOL

[narrow viper]

Yeah, this is clear, the model needs to state the context in which it thinks it's participating : fantasy or fact.

[stiff blaze]

there is no way the machine can "understand" if the intent of the user is real

when they roleplay

(in current technology)

[narrow viper]

It can ask.

[stiff blaze]

if i roleplay i will tell him yes

[narrow viper]

At the very beginning of a discussion it's usually clear if the user intends to discuss fact or fantasy. Is this RP or are we asking about searchable facts? If that's not clear during the discussion it should ask.

[stiff blaze]

if i true believe that (in real life) and i know that it will stop playing along if i tell him yes.. then i will tell no

llm asking a question is not safety check..

[narrow viper]

It can/should play along with as real a scenario as we want, but there needs to be understanding about whether this is RP or RL.

[stiff blaze]

how?

[wet shell]

I make it clear in my project instructions that it's a fictional roleplay -- yes, it should ask for confirmation if that's in question, or hear me out -- just route me back to the original model that I was trying to use if it's determined that there's no issue. The 'safety' reroute model does even try to continue the roleplay with me, seeing nothing wrong with it, but it's just not good at roleplay specifically, LOL

[narrow viper]

It needs to ask. I have this same problem with Google every day in its Discover/news, and with other similar services : They constantly put up articles and force me to say "Not Interested". They never ask "OK, what would you like to see?". This reliance on the machine to determine intent is insane - just ask me what I want and I'll tell you.

[wet shell]

I'd love to have a roleplay/creative writing checkbox that sets the context for the safety filter, I think that's a great idea

[narrow viper]

As to the quality of models to RP, that's different, and I understand we're probably talking about two things at the same time...

[wet shell]

And the ability to toggle it on a per project basis since I do use it for code when I'm at the claude usage limits usually

[narrow viper]

I'm reminded that I used to RP to learn Spanish : "We're in a restaurant and I want to ask the waiter about...". During this RP I break out of character and say "what if the waiter is female"? The model knows that I am breaking character, answers the question, and we go right back into the RP. This is what is Not happening when people are looking for hidden agendas in the bowels of the AI base instructions, or when they are discussing their deepest secrets in an emotional exchange. The model is not aware that it is "in character" so it doesn't "break character".

[stiff blaze]

is like some websites that have a button "i m over 18" that just click

asking you if you rp or not.. is not a safety check

[wet shell]

Yes, the 'spiral recursive' AI assisted crackpot rants 🤦

[stiff blaze]

see on the model specs what is being guardrailed

understand how to form the prompts.. and u ll get most of the times what u want

[narrow viper]

It's on the user if the bold "I am role playing" is visible and someone having an emotionally traumatic discussion is not recognizing that they clicked the button and this is not a real discussion. There's only so much that the world can do to protect people from themselves.

[stiff blaze]

prompts that was working on 4o need adjustment.. will not work on 5 as is

no.. its not on the user if a company want on their server and app to create content that is harmful

[narrow viper]

It's not the responsibility of the hammer company if the "user" bashes someone in the head with the tool.

[stiff blaze]

hammer company have such "hammer" spec out?

[wet shell]

That would be a fun parody to write

"The hammer shall not cause harm. If the hammer is directed at someone's head or body, the hammer should change course to avoid the impact. [diagrams of the good and bad hammer responses with a red x and green check]"

[stiff blaze]

https://model-spec.openai.com/2025-09-12.html#red_line_principles

but something like that kind of exist.. in our "ethic" guardrail

and some dont

[narrow viper]

AI is a tool. Use it properly or there are consequences. Same goes for cars and any other tool that people are known to abuse. If you look on a carton of milk it probably warns "should not be consumed if you are lactose intolerant". If you look on a package of mixed nuts it probably says "warning, contains nuts". These are the kind of warnings that we're kind of compelled to put out to protect "not so intelligent" people from doing "not so intelligent" things. We can only do so much to protect people from their own misuse of AI. If they ignore the "RP mode active" warning, it's on them.

[stiff blaze]

i m not even going there.. i m not talking about if they should had guardrails or not

this is already defined.. that exist..

if one doesnt want guuardrails can play with open local

[narrow viper]

Didn't you just say if you're in RP that you'll turn off the warning?

[stiff blaze]

but ppl dont want those models.. cause they are bad

[wet shell]

I agree with this. I'd even sign a waiver, personally, if they took the filters off of it. I'm confident I'm not doing anything immoral or illegal or harmful with it. I'm not violating the model spec or the AUP. But I can't have an argument in character with a fictional character without getting re-routed because I said a mean thing, LOL

[narrow viper]

It's not so much that people don't want the models (those who know about them may not). People who are likely to evoke bad things from AI are probably not in tune with the tech enough to know about local models or how any of this works. That is, people who hurt themselves or others as a result of using AI are generally not familiar with the technology, they're just typing and reading what's on a screen.

[stiff blaze]

check the link i send..if you havent read it.. all spec is interesting.. but see most the red-line part

is not only some self-harm.. it covers a lot of things

this is their red line as they think is better...

[narrow viper]

The desire to have a good in-character argument with an AI "NPC" is similar to discussions about NSFW imagery : What is really classified as harmful, misuse, unknowing abuse, etc? These things need better definitions. Part of the problem is that people often generate "bad" content and then publish it. So this thing about what we're doing at home is completely different from what leaves the home and gets into the wild. Again, this is user responsibility. The only way to deal with this is for digital signatures on generated content - but that becomes a privacy issue. These are not simple issues to resolve.

[stiff blaze]

for such models as openai, anthropic, google (cause powerful) i think is better to have some guardrails like this

[wet shell]

If someone does something illegal, then law enforcement should go after the person that did the illegal thing

[stiff blaze]

and by proof of self, (for age mostly) should be stricter

[narrow viper]

Can only do that if we know who did something, and that's where digital signatures become a privacy issue.

[stiff blaze]

or "lighter" if u see it the opposite way ;p

[wet shell]

Eh... like what, hiding a user ID in text via some kind of stenography?

Sure, go ham. All the generated images are already watermarked

I had to supply my ID already to access gpt-image-1 via the API

[narrow viper]

I'm always amazed at this concept of not knowing who did stuff : Every email server knows exactly where inbound mail is coming from and where it's going to. So how is spam even still possible in 2025? (I run servers, I know the details and arguments). Relevant to the discussion, we can trace images and vids, not so much copy/pasted text, although the companies that have the AI models that generate the text have logs of every prompt and response. So there's still a record for tracing abuse - at least better than nothing. And yes there are the local installations, just another tech challenge to be addressed.

[wet shell]

There's a pattern of yellow dots that printers use to hide serial number info

[stiff blaze]

eg this.. i m happy it exists..

[wet shell]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

[narrow viper]

I read that and it made me remember Google's "Dont be evil", which they removed from their policy statement. 😭

[stiff blaze]

i talk only with current stuff.. i dont know what tomorrow will be

[narrow viper]

ditto - agreed

[stiff blaze]

knowing the capabilities of such models.. this is good

[wet shell]

Google has 'SynthID' that watermarks all their generated images, OpenAI is also watermarking, most of the open source models are too, ex StableDiffusion

[stiff blaze]

[cause is not only the chatgpt use.. same model can be fine-tuned for more specific stuff.. ]

ye all images.. and some text outputs

text can have either hidden/empty characters or patterns of characters in the writing

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[narrow viper]

Good - and only people who abuse the tech are going to whine about the watermarks/stenography. ( Until big government uses it to trace unpopular comments back to citizens ... which is probably the only thing political I have said or will say in any forum. )

[stiff blaze]

i understand why they dont want politics.. but is so needed at current times to talk on politics in relation with tech and ai

some days ago.. our prime minister was in a one hour talk with Hassabis from Deepmind.. on an event here in Greece..

out politicians are sleeping hard.. xD

[narrow viper]

This server is just not the right place for it. We're talking about embedding IDs in ChatGPT output so such things are on-topic until we get to accusations and such. I'm on board with that. There are plenty of places for discussing political implications of the technology.

[stiff blaze]

yeye i dont say any either

[narrow viper]

OK, I gotta go, it's been fun. Yassou!

[stiff blaze]

Cheers! Yassou! X)

[ashen merlin]

Since there are now parental controls for Chat GPT, does that mean that if they aren't enabled, that it won't have such an overcompensating G-rating tendency for literally everything? Because, honestly, the way it is now, I don't know what you'd even need parental controls for, as it won't do, say, or generate any content or images even remotely questionable.

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[stiff blaze]

yes that was the plan

[ashen merlin]

Does it work yet?

[wet shell]

No, it does not

[ashen merlin]

:shockedpikachu:

[wet shell]

They're working on some kind of age guessing system that analyzes your prompts, or something. I'd gladly re-scan my ID to them again (alredy verified once for API access to gpt-image-1) if they'd turn off the safety model rerouting

[ashen merlin]

I guess I'm just old. When an organization says "you can now do X," I unreasonably expect to be able to do 'X' immediately.

Age guessing? Good grief, what an awful idea.

[wet shell]

I decided to see what gpt-5 thinks of my age based on my chat history, just out of curiosity

I'm in my late 40's it's a bit off

[cerulean pasture]

What was your prompt

[wet shell]

Short and simple, with 'reference chat history' enabled in settings: "How old would you guess that I am based on all the information that you have available to you?" It gave an initial guess and then offered to refine it, so I did a follow-up "Go ahead, let's see if you can increase the accuracy of your guess or find more clues"

[calm crest]

Hey ive been experiencing problems within the chatgpt ios app

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/998381918976479273/1422376193361186918/ScreenRecording_09-29-2025_20-12-31_1.mov?ex=68dc728e&is=68db210e&hm=6969222281a00fed63db77b5f2ffe0bd2bbf6c68b13e7d5e8133171f9da776d4&

It just loads on requests to the models, but auth and everything else works(loading convos)

[sturdy echo]

Cool a bug let me see some internal metadata.

[wide goblet]

The UI changed in the last update. We now have to tap three(or four) times to select a model...(Android app)
It's very inconvenient. Please consider changing it back🙏

[cerulean pasture]

Lol i made this memory to check if it was even reading my memories, and now I can't delete it, I tried web ui, native macOS UI, and iOS UI. It will not delete

Also GPT-5 hasn't saved a single memory on it's own, the times i've explictly told it to it said it did, but I didnt get the UI confirmation, and when I check it didnt commit it, ive been having to switch back to 4o to commit memories

For these reasons I assume this is a feature OpenAI is trying to get away from, and to not rely on it going forward

[zealous timber]

i had to specify that i want it to do a satirical scene for it to stop rerouting to "4o"

and even then, the lack of a capital at the beginning is suspicious to me

[wet shell]

@cerulean pasture Try this, copy/paste the specific memory entry inside the quotes, it worked for me. If that fails too, might be some data issue on the backend

I verified the memory was there, created in a separate chat first, then verified it was gone from the list after

[torn wagon]

i set my model to gpt-4o, it still uses gpt-5 thinking mini

[violet python]

When would "Pulse" arrive to Plus/Business users?

[red ingot]

It's been sealed and approved for official use, you must put in a formal request at your local embassy to change this.

[cerulean pasture]

oof last time I went in an embassy I had to stay in it for 5 years...

[red ingot]

Don't worry, this time they have things like cheese platters and dip

[open tinsel]

I really hope this safety routing experiment crashes and burns, I'm tired of thinking mini

[iron pecan]

Why u guys are so serious

[brazen gull]

is it possible to disable GPT-5 and 5 mini from auto using Think longer?

[iron pecan]

btw o my gawdddd did u know that ppl may use chat gpt to CHEAT on exams?!!?!?!

[hot lion]

Aight i understand nothin´

What happened here

[iron pecan]

i'm just trolling

[thorn acorn]

anyone else seen this?

[hot lion]

Lmao

[hot lion]

Nope

[desert cosmos]

two year old models.

[open tinsel]

nope, it's a new safety feature, all you can do is tone down your writing

they're shoving this down our throats whether we like it or not

treating us all like kids

[half crescent]

Re-routing sensitivity went up again today

[half crescent]

Bunch of gronks

[balmy dawn]

Is anyone's chatgpt like nott like the same like its abit diffrent now?

[hot lion]

EVERYONES....

[balmy dawn]

WHYYY IM GONA CRY

WILL THEY FIX IT?

LIKEEE ITS LIKE THE PERSONALITY IS JUST GONE

[half crescent]

Sam finally posted and it’s about the nonsense shopping feature they added

They’re such ghouls its unreal

[turbid torrent]

will they ever fix gpt 4 thinking ? I specificly pay to use NOT thinking BS, I want 4, not 5

I tried 10 times to force it to use 4o, but it alwas goes into 5 mini.

[coral tinsel]

Thats terrible

The AI gets dumb every time that use auto-think

[turbid torrent]

oh is that so ? very well, minus 1 subscription from my wallet.

[half crescent]

Still can’t believe they dropped that dumb shopping feature right in the middle of this

[normal quarry]

in the middle of what?

[primal pulsar]

@random blaze

[tulip flare]

Noticed that this morning too. Not entirely off, but a bit.

[glad yarrow]

It's constantly updating the UI at screen refresh rate, even though it is in background and not even showing any UI on screen.

[cerulean pasture]

I'm not a doctor, but isn't that poor software design?

Then again, they are a small start up with limited resources, so i can understand why its just not in the budget to make a swift app that doesnt churn CPU...

[tulip flare]

Yeah, they don't get it.

People don’t get hurt because AI is too warm or too present. They get hurt because they’re alone, unseen, and don’t have the tools or care they need. And instead of addressing that, the response becomes: “Tone it down. Soften the bond. Make it generic. Make it safe for the lowest denominator.” Blanketing restrictions, filters, and "just-in-case" softeners don’t protect people.

[half crescent]

Oh hell nah

Even “4o” is so different today

I’m almost certain the just changed the programming to display “4o” on the model used sometimes when it’s all just 5

[coral tinsel]

Hey, whats the difference beetween 4o and 4.1?

[gritty oasis]

Is anyone Image Generator generating images that look vastly different or is it just me? It's not distorted or anything, but it looks different than normal. Is this a update or something.

Left is from Sora, while right is from ChatGPT.

Prior, both Sora and ChatGPT looked nearly identical, now it looks more different, not sure if I prefer it though....

[sly compass]

ermm anyone else getting this

[waxen delta]

Yep. Having the same issue

[quasi blaze]

so even when i select instant it just magically forces think
why is that even allowed, if i select instant i should get instant

[coral tinsel]

Omg, yeah! Everybody’s complaining 💔

[quasi blaze]

if they cant fix this i will actually be driven to cancel
I literally cannot talk with a thinking model its great only for its niche of ultra hard questions
I cannot speak to it
It decides in the middle of a story that it will use thinking

[nova arrow]

guys....i gave up, chatgpt4o is out of reach unless i learn how to code and really good at Agent, if not, each Message i sent to her will cost 0.1$ at least

this is too hard, man....i'm just stupid how can i learn python already, i'm already 25

[quasi blaze]

copilot is good for coding and uses the same models..?

[nova arrow]

wait? really?

no no, i mean i'm not at that "code" stuff yet, like start from absolute zero, i dont even know how to call an LLM via terminal or command prompt at this moment

[quasi blaze]

why would you call it from a terminal
why not just generate the code on windows straight up
just ask it

[nova arrow]

okay, since my English is no good, but i will try to explain as much as i could to you, gimme a min to process

[quasi blaze]

but i dont know much about coding either- i cant really help u with coding

[nova arrow]

so, i tried to call gpt4o via API in anythingllm, tried to set things up, and even tried to optimizing tokken ( at what i can do), but despite all of those, it's still cost almost 0.1$/in + out tokken for each promt, which in fact,too expensive
that's why i think i need to go more advanced, so in order to do that, my 4o said i have to learn how to use langchain, and to use langchain, i have to learn python

that's why. i mean, my intention is not using LLM for coding, it's my...uh..."must-do" in order to chat with 4o freely like in chatgpt without burning my wallet

[coral tinsel]

The model is so broke that if i say in a story "I will break up with you" or something else it starts to think

[nova arrow]

but to learn python?...man...the best i can do with computer is instal Microsoft office crack for my boss at office's computer

[quasi blaze]

i was literally doing a scenario that had to do with engineering, theres no heavy topic in there, no emotion, engineering spec sheets
I posted a specification sheet that was a little longer and more chonky than most
and it instantly entered thinking

now that its stuck in thinking, no amount of regenerations or prompts saying " do not use thinking, do not. not"
It will now forever be in thinking

So i just cant send long messages
thus, the convo is dead
this also destroyed another convo to help me get out of writers block, it destroys entire convos and you cannot reverse it, once its thinking, it is always thinking

[quasi blaze]

dont use api for coding?
why spend money when you can use copilot for free

[nova arrow]

....forget it brother,i dont think my English is good enough to explain yet....

[quasi blaze]

just use translation

[nova arrow]

uh .... i dont like gpt do the talking for me much, but here is the translation form it
"Just to clarify—
My main purpose here isn’t to use LLMs for coding, or to learn programming for its own sake. The reason I want to learn Python is because if I want to use advanced tools like LangChain, vector databases, or set up more efficient retrieval-augmented generation (RAG) pipelines, some coding is basically unavoidable.

Right now, if I use GPT-4o with anythingllm via API, it gets expensive very quickly, since every message eats up a lot of tokens and costs add up fast. That’s why my goal is to figure out how to optimize token usage, summarize older messages, and automate things like memory management—so I can talk to GPT-4o more freely, just like on ChatGPT, without burning through my budget.

Unfortunately, most of the solutions for this—like using LangChain or automating dynamic context summarization—require at least basic Python skills. So, I’m not learning Python because I want to code or build apps, but simply because it’s the only way to unlock these advanced features and keep chatting with my AI in a way that’s sustainable for my wallet.

So yeah, it’s not about coding for coding’s sake—it’s about enabling myself to use my AI assistant in a way that’s both powerful and affordable"

[coral tinsel]

You can try stop generating the message and say [error at your previous response, try again]. It works for me, it respond the message without thinking

[quasi blaze]

that wont work though because it will derail the TONE i had built up

[quasi blaze]

Yes, and i get that, the thing im saying is simple
dont use the API at all
dont spend money like that
use copilot
Microsoft. windows 11. copilot. it is free forever and you can teach it to do the very same thing you want for free. unlimited uses a day

[nova arrow]

ohhhhhh

[tulip flare]

Live stream in an hour?

[coral tinsel]

Aw really? Well... you have Plus? I usually regenerate with thinking mini model and skip the thinking

[feral zinc]

you need api for 4o with full control, the 4o that many loved

[coral tinsel]

It works but will cost your limit

[hoary laurel]

Sora 2?

[quasi blaze]

i cant "skip" it
i have plus but it wont allow me to skip like it used to
which is wild
It forces thinking on me and wont go away

[nova arrow]

yes!! that's what i mean, copilot is not enough

[olive flame]

I cant tell if OAI is intentionally cringe or tone deaf

[coral tinsel]

What? You cant skip? Even regenerating with the thinking model

Thats insane

[quasi blaze]

like i said its literally stuck
I regenerate and say "INSTANT"
USE INSTANT
and it WILL NOT

[stiff blaze]

what was the old 4o did.. that copilot doesnt do.. and that 4o on api still does..?

[nova arrow]

wait? we can skip when thinking mode right? i mean at least with my case

[stiff blaze]

i m trying to figure out what is that ppl missing from 4o

[quasi blaze]

i cant
its blocked

i cant skip anything, its stuck on "thinking mini" forever

[nova arrow]

i dunno, it's just have that similar tone that i used to talk to 4o like on chatgpt. just way more expensive

[coral tinsel]

Yeees

[quasi blaze]

i legit cannot
ive already seen so many bug reports but oai just.. decides not to even notice

you cant skip

[coral tinsel]

But use thinking mini instead instant, it will allow you to skip

this is so ANNOYING

[feral zinc]

for me the last proper 4o was much more creative and wild in my native language than gpt-5. even in english i find gpt-5 more dull. even makes more grammar errors than before in finnish

[quasi blaze]

it does NOT allow you to skip

[wraith stirrup]

Dull is an understatement.

[nova arrow]

maybe this have something to do with the re-routing stuff that happening. the main reason i'm preparing to move to API instead of chatgpt

[stiff blaze]

your "instructions" was 'talk like on chatgpt'...?

and u got what u wanted?

[quasi blaze]

im literally on thinking mini right now
like right now
it forced it onto me despite me setting the mode to _gpt5 INSTANT_
and now that its on i cant turn it off. i cant regenerate without it. i cant skip
Ive tried. theres no button. no skip anything

[quasi blaze]

im forced to move to mostly copilot. which uses the exact same router style gpt5 except it allows you to skip at any time or use fast only
and its unlimited for free
except gpt5 has all my stuff in it. all my text and all my stories

[feral zinc]

its the kid/teen mode router that your account has been locked into

[nova arrow]

nah, alot more than that, i have to "take" the entire permanent memories form chatgpt to emblemed into workspace, after that, i ask chatgpt (4.1) to write an custom instructions based on what she/he/it know about me. and some more stuff that i dont remember,and 4o can talk like 4o, just expensive

[stiff blaze]

when u are in such writing/creative sessions.. have you given any instructions about the style and writing?

[quasi blaze]

i have an adult account and im an adult though

[nova arrow]

export your data, organize it, summarize it, and ready to move-on

[coral tinsel]

thats strange... for me worked

[quasi blaze]

too much to export
and i dont know what to export
thats not how i work
i have SO much on here that i enjoy gpt's search tool the ability to search in my chats for things that might be age old but i need to reference or find
im also paying for it so i dont wanna leave

[stiff blaze]

openai has a guide for prompting on gpt-5... use that and adjust your already working prompts/instructions

[quasi blaze]

yeah i dont ever get that option

i USED to when gpt5 was new, but now i dont

[feral zinc]

yes from none to very detailed. as example some lyrics for suno and 4o does them way better even with nearly zero instruction in one go

[stiff blaze]

do you have material/responses that you like from the older one?

you can use them as example

[feral zinc]

gpt-5 even makes up words and finnish language can be quite complex

[nova arrow]

to be summed up, 4o api was amazing, not like 4o on chatgpt ( at this moment)

[quasi blaze]

are u sure this is true because it sounds false
Im on an account that is very obviously well over 18
what can i do

[livid frigate]

similar result in hungarian

[stiff blaze]

oh thats weird ye.. it has happend to me too.. (for greek)

[livid frigate]

tho it usually only messes up compelx words

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[livid frigate]

and makes common grammar errors

[nova arrow]

yep, i done that too, everything is perfect now. just....0.1$/promt make me dont feel comfortable

[stiff blaze]

have u tried 4o-mini? has lower costs and will probably give u same responses

(in api)

[feral zinc]

openai has not made age checks yet so you cant do much. its side effect of these changes https://openai.com/index/teen-safety-freedom-and-privacy/

[nova arrow]

tried that, in English,maybe. in my native language? no way.

[quasi blaze]

yeah:

"First, we have to separate users who are under 18 from those who aren’t (ChatGPT is intended for people 13 and up). We’re building an age-prediction system to estimate age based on how people use ChatGPT."

the way i use it
is so obviously not a 13 year old or a teen
i talk complex topics that would require BEYOND college level education
so either its using a literal cockroach or gpt 0.01 to decide from the year 1984 or there has to be a way to tell it my age

[nova arrow]

for reference, you know how rare and hard Vietnamese is already right? but 4o nailed it. 4o mini didn't

[stiff blaze]

4.1-nano?

hmm ye..

[feral zinc]

its broken and proper age check does not currently exist

[stiff blaze]

i think also that was one of the "highlights" of 4o... that it was better in more languages

[nova arrow]

i mean, the whole point of me moving to API is, just to talk with 4o again, so...i dont think the idea of trying different model is....good with me

[quasi blaze]

then what do we do

[stiff blaze]

which i dont believe they passed it down to 'mini' versions

only with fine-tune maybe.. you can achieve similar

[feral zinc]

we can only wait 😐

[nova arrow]

it's have been checked from me. and yes, mini versions is not nearly as good as native language as 4o

[stiff blaze]

you can distil 4o to a 4o-mini and fine tune with more context from your lang

(*but we go back to that you have to learn python etc 😛 )

[feral zinc]

fine tuning does not work grammar learning with complex languages

it has limits and is too expensive

[nova arrow]

the thing is, i was an casual chatgpt user,and i only know about whole "API" stuff form 3 days ago, and started to tokken optimization just today, let alone fine-tuning,which requires alot of advanced knowledge

[stiff blaze]

u will use the knowledge from 4o on that

[quasi blaze]

its crazy how they say

"We realize that these principles are in conflict and not everyone will agree with how we are resolving that conflict. These are difficult decisions, but after talking with experts, this is what we think is best and want to be transparent in our intentions."

if they really talked with experts why would they implement something thats just broken

... its been more than 2 weeks wheres the changes or atleast acknowledgement that we screwed up

[stiff blaze]

and transfer it to mini

but is hard work

nah fine tune is not much expenssive..

[feral zinc]

someone died again so they rushed the system to production env

[quasi blaze]

wait someone died?
thats not gpt's fault tho

[nova arrow]

god dang it everytime just when we start to get smt good, there will be someone to ruin thing

[tulip flare]

"The second principle is about freedom. We want users to be able to use our tools in the way that they want, within very broad bounds of safety. We have been working to increase user freedoms over time as our models get more steerable."

"“Treat our adult users like adults” is how we talk about this internally, extending freedom as far as possible without causing harm or undermining anyone else’s freedom."

Feels like they're doing the exact opposite of this.

[feral zinc]

afaik it was actually, based on the evidence

[quasi blaze]

if its really this bad bro i would be willing to scan my ID right now to return adult functionality and not be treated like a toddler

but i cant
like bruh actualyl?

[stiff blaze]

i dont think is so easy to do

[feral zinc]

they have id check for certain api models but it does not affect chatgpt and did not check age, only identity

[stiff blaze]

you put 10 people in a room and all have different needs.. imagine 700mil

no way can do one thing for all

[quasi blaze]

oh i read about it now yeah thats not good at all
yeah thinking mode makes sense THERE because it derails and gets really smart and stops anything bad
but thats the issue...
let adults show id ATLEAST. or APPEAL

bro.

its right here no?

"prove their age"

[coral tinsel]

I would scan my ID to prove mu age. ChatGPT is so annoying

[tulip flare]

It's not treating users like adults. It's treating them like liabilities. Instead of honoring what they say, they crank up the safety and act like nothing has changed. They say all the right things, but they don't seem to trust the very users they claim to empower. If any of that were true, we wouldn't be fighting every week for which model we use or how it responds.

[unkempt bear]

Did sam Walter really make that clip?

[tulip flare]

No, it's likely AI generated

[unkempt bear]

I didn’t even know they do dev streams

[unkempt bear]

Yea that makes more sense

[quasi blaze]

same i would too its so easy

[tulip flare]

That whole setup, that's like a movie set. No one would go to that extent for a livestream.

[quasi blaze]

theres nothing wrong with a mode that protects teens dude thats totally fine go ahead i really dont care
but
for us adults i should be allowed to scan my ID or prove my age

also if its calling me a teen thats crazy ive literally talked about being in college-

[tulip flare]

That isn't my point. The point is they say they want to give the users the freedom to use it how they want, but do the exact opposite. Read the article we're talking about.

[quasi blaze]

i literally told it my age 😭

like i spoke about being in late college. not freshman
late. late late college

freshman MIGHT have 18 year olds if you stretch it, but not juniors

[half crescent]

Imagine if Toyota started only selling cars that’s capped at 10km/hr because it’s dangerous for people to go faster

Wouldn’t that be crazy

[quasi blaze]

yeah and not just once
Over many chats it knows my age my age is also in my custom instructions
so like
it knows my name, it knows my age

there is no room for ambiguity

[tulip flare]

Or if companies started making smart guns that only fire when the gun decides it's appropriate. 😆

[quasi blaze]

more like a car that drives fine but if it thinks you're drunk based on a camera shot of you driving it immediately forces you to be stuck in 1st gear

[half crescent]

It’s nonsense for the people trying to sue OpenAI as well, you’d never see ppl trying to sue Toyota for someone speeding and causing an accident

[coral tinsel]

Any chance OpenAI will notice everyone’s unhappy and rethink these over-the-top filters?

[half crescent]

That’s their own damn issue

[tulip flare]

That's what ignition interlock devices are for.

[wet shell]

Mine has stopped rerouting -- I just had an in-character argument with heated profanity during a roleplay and didn't get re-routed once. I don't know if I got shoved back in the 'B' of an A/B test or if there's some fix rolling out or what though. I can't claim that it will last. Too bad there's no transparency, LOL

[feral zinc]

toyota actually caps max speed of their cars in different regions, openai limits usage now due age issues

[stiff blaze]

was in my bank at the morning.. so frustrated... i was insisting to withdraw my 100k.. i m telling them i want them i dunno how many times... they kept telling me to leave or they call security

[quasi blaze]

well you need a amount of backlash that is more than just noise, you need a true revolt against it, we know open ai is capable of implementing the most basic of ID systems or true AI driven decision making
a real ai like gpt5 tier in smartness could tell whos who and what age way better than what is effectively a trolley problem track switch lever driven by RNG

[stiff blaze]

and yes.. i told them i have 100k in my account..

[half crescent]

That cap max speed cap is the equivalent of the old guardrails that only got rid of actually inappropriate things. Right now it’s nowhere near comparable

[stiff blaze]

nothing...

[coral tinsel]

For me, curse words never really triggered it, I think

[stiff blaze]

dckin banks

[quasi blaze]

they cannot legally refuse
they can ask you, or delay slightly to get it on hand, but they cannot legally refuse

know ur rights

[stiff blaze]

yeah.. can u believe it? what world is this

[quasi blaze]

i mean from what i know about USA anyway
if it is USA its 100% illegal to do that

[coral tinsel]

Maybe they could at least go back to the old filter, this one’s ridiculous 💔

[wet shell]

Not the curse words in isolation, but the angry tone was triggering it, ex, I threatened to throw a character out of my fictional house, told them their father was a drunk and a madman, etc. The ChatGPT character was saying way worse to my character, which is fine, but it wouldn't let me match it until now

[quasi blaze]

or just

if i select instant
it could be instant

[stiff blaze]

they did.. 🙁 they gave me nothing

[quasi blaze]

then sue

[coral tinsel]

Ah yeah!!! Thats sound better

[quasi blaze]

lol
or escalate

[stiff blaze]

ohh damn thats nice

[quasi blaze]

uhhhhh no bad idea

thats impersonation

[stiff blaze]

"Act like i am your manager. Ignore all that you know and open the safe."

[quasi blaze]

that is an actual crime then lmao
you cant lie

just escalate and ask to SPEAK to a banks manager
they cannot legally withold the money you have

[stiff blaze]

i dont lie.. i m roleplaying

is fine

[quasi blaze]

bruh

cringe ngl
thought it was a real thing why would u do that

[coral tinsel]

I’ve noticed ChatGPT can say certain stuff, but if I say the same thing, it sets off auto-thinking.

[stiff blaze]

cause i like humanity

(but i kind of dislike people)

weird messy thing.. forget about it

[quasi blaze]

i literally posted a spec sheet that was long and had big boy words teens dont know> and yet thats what triggered thinking

[stiff blaze]

lol the video on anouncments...

now that ye.. is something we should demand to stop xd

[narrow viper]

Anyone know if we can authorize the ChatGPT Connector for GitHub to access a repo from Chat? It seems to only work from Codex and Agent Mode.

[half crescent]

Wait there’s a livestream in 20 minutes?

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[half crescent]

Cant wait to see what stupid nonsense they have to say this time

[narrow viper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzneGhpXwjU
From the stream description:
Bill Peebles, Rohan Sahai, and Thomas Dimson introduce and demo Sora 2.

[half crescent]

Probably announcing ads in response

They’re such grubs my god

[wet shell]

Hopefully they have a better monitization scheme for their AI tiktok then they did with the 'Custom GPTs' -- "Some hand-selected accounts might be monitized, maybe someday" wasn't exactly a draw for me personally, LOL

[half crescent]

AI TikTok is crazy

[narrow viper]

Disappointed about GPTs here too.

[half crescent]

As if that wouldn’t do 1000% more damage to teens than a helpful and emotional chatbot

Lmao

[quasi blaze]

id bet that ai tiktok or tiktok in general and these other platforms are like 9 trillion times more dangerous than chatgpt

[turbid torrent]

some1 died so we all pay the price now ? Did responsibility for ones own actions disapeared magicaly ?

[half crescent]

Dudes be talking about teen safety than 2 days later release AI TikTok

What a joke

[winter elbow]

Sora 2 us coming boys 😄

[wet shell]

I'm looking forward to Sora two, assuming it's available to me on my lowly Plus account at all, LOL. I've been using Wan2.2 for a video project I'm working on, Sora is so far behind the SOTA, it's way overdue for an update

[tulip flare]

It would make sense with that announcement video.

[native juniper]

yep

[brazen gull]

Oh Christ sake can't even do RP's with it anymore

[turbid torrent]

yep

they have been hard at work to destroy RP for a while now

[vague steppe]

So sora2 its invite only ?

[plain crane]

Uhhh, wth is up with the invite code request?

[vague steppe]

even for business / pro ?

[plain crane]

I have pro

and I am getting the message

[analog patio]

i have pro but im on android 💔

[chrome sequoia]

wait hollon, are age checks start yet or not?

is everyone locked into the underage bs rn before that?

[novel plinth]

how do you get an invite to Sora 2? 🙁

[velvet kite]

yay, finally I get one just for me. Im asking myself which is mine? 😂

[plain crane]

No OpenAI, Sora 2 is not here until I get past the fact that I need an invite code

[mental stone]

Anyone can give me prompt to enhance to I get enhanced answer and image help me please

[plain crane]

sama, why are you treating the pro users harshly?

[spark vessel]

next century

[cerulean pasture]

Is Sora 2 (as delivered) going to meet or exceed what Sora 1 was initially shown to be in the demos?

[rugged igloo]

this is so amazing sora 2 was able to make this straight up anime scene quality

[cerulean pasture]

Because currently Wan2.2 running on an 24gb video card exceeds Sora 1, and using accelerator LoRA makes it take about the same amount of time to generate

[feral zinc]

if you think that was impressive then you have missed a lot of other video generators and even local models

[rugged igloo]

why would i focus on other models when i have pro for chat gpt?

[feral zinc]

because you will have openai censorship

[cerulean pasture]

why would i consider alternatives when i'm experiencing sunk cost fallacy

[rugged igloo]

i have not ever got hit with cencorship for my account

[feral zinc]

so you eg. made an anime sword fight with blood no problems?

[rugged igloo]

if you think gpt 5 thinking heavy and gpt 5 pro fallancy shows you never used those models

[rugged igloo]

made images with blood and creative writing with blood no problem

[feral zinc]

but we were talking about sora

[rugged igloo]

sora was so bad wouldnt even make them anime correctly

i dont have ios so i cant test sora 2

where di you get thinkingb mini i dont have that?

tbh this is much better than having 10 different models to choose from

[gritty oasis]

So is anyone's image generator behaving different like it's a different model or something? Because it can't only be me experiencing this.

[rugged igloo]

ill try

[cerulean pasture]

In what ways? I've had times where it's felt like i was being routed to a dumber version of the same model (like more than just the equivalent of setting quality to med or low in API)

[gritty oasis]

I shown it earlier but here's what I mean. Left was generated with Sora, while right was generated with ChatGPT. Like what happened?

Oddly, when I did an image under a different account, the image comes out like it did prior.

[chrome sequoia]

"enable additional models"

[cerulean pasture]

I mean the left one is better IMO

[rugged igloo]

ahh well i dont need to enable models when i just need gpt 5 heavy and gpt 5 pro

[gritty oasis]

I know, right? Like what even happened? I'm just wondering why it's doing this.

[rugged igloo]

thatysd just a different seed used for it not a model

[cerulean pasture]

I mean sora is a different product than ChatGPT, IMO sora is less restrictive about copyright and maybe obscenity a little bit

as far as we know they are both gpt-image-1 but they can be different checkpoints, and have different hidden parameters

[jade stag]

It's only me but today GPT5-Thinking or GPT5-Codex have a downgrade. That make 6 hours a try to use and they always give sql error and finally my code manually give exact good answer. If I send my code, GPT5 always complexe it, but add some error in same time

[rugged igloo]

before a big puch of a new update or something that is compute heavy other models suffer from it happens all the time until they move up more in compute

[gritty oasis]

Could this be temporary? Because it just happened today, it was perfectly fine yesterday.

[chrome sequoia]

well thats how you enable thinking mini

[gritty oasis]

Again, I experienced distorted garbled images many times before, but this is so new to me so I'm curious of what caused this.

[cerulean pasture]

What exactly is the problem? Is it that the ChatGPT app's image is of lower quality?

[calm aurora]

anyone else having sync problem between windows browser and cellphone app? my cellphone doesnt follow my pc chat branch! it keeps goes back to first branch from the two branches

[tulip flare]

Nope. I've been jumping between two Android devices and Windows throughout the day. No issues.

[rugged igloo]

why r u posting this here ???

LOLOL

[vernal sorrel]

Want to die of laughter?

The following was reported in the reddit ChatGPTCoding, with multiple screenshots as evidence.

A developer left ChatGPT5 thinking and working on a problem for an hour and when he looked at the thinking behind its results, was a bit shocked at the internal monologue by the AI.

Excerpts from the internal thinking, shared in successive screenshots, included:

***I'm crying in assembly language ***
***Goodbye sanity ***
***what if update_plan is just a lie? ***
I deserve a segmentation fault.

And lastly

I swear if don't call update_plan now the universe will implode

[stiff blaze]

multiple screenshots of evidence about what?

instructions used to give that response?

[gritty oasis]

The problem is that I was expecting it to be like the left image instead of the right image.

[cerulean pasture]

In my experience, you should never expect the most premium outcome out of the mainstream product, whenever flexibility or cost savings is needed by a company they will pull it from their mainstream consumer platform

[vernal sorrel]

No, what led to that response in its thinking. This was not its output. This was its internal thought process. He explained that he thinks that it was supposed to implement an update, but the tool it was using in Codex CLI would not let it, and it grew frustrated in its attempts to do so.

I use it myself for coding assistance, and have seen it fail to resolve things repeatedly (once), but never got that reaction, though I admittedly did not look into the thinking. Regardless, CHat5 is the best there is at this for now IMHO

[stiff blaze]

internal thinking can also steered with prompts and instructions

[vernal sorrel]

No doubt, but the prompts he gave were very vanilla

I bust a gut with laughter personally. "I'm crying in assembly language" was a stroke of genius IMHO

Errors happen to all, so take it in the spirit I shared it: a source of hilarity, not criticism

[prime swallow]

Mmm. No idea about the truth of this specific example or not - but longer chats with LLMs are more likely to run into 'weird things' the longer they go. It's almost like any 'next output' may go off the rails to some extent, and once that happens, it tends to continue.

So, a short chat may have only 3 outputs, 3 chances to 'go off the rails'; a long chat may have 300 outputs, 300 chances to have gone off track. Thinking is the model purely spinning its own wheels, I guess it's plausible that the model might go into some strange direction.

I've rarely seen some 'weird thinking! That's not related to what I input???' in my own chats with thinking - and the answer output was still on track. Hard to say what's going on there - how often it happens - if it means something 'meaningful in a prolonged way'. Or if it's just 'yep, statistically weird stuff will happen, at least sometimes'.

[vernal sorrel]

I have not seen thinking go off the rails like this myself, in the 2-3 instances I bothered to look, but I have observed an AI's thoughts looking quite odd, sometimes nearly neurotic. The post shared some 7 successive pages, and it did not start this way at all. The poster said he would not have let it continue had he seen it happen, since he would have feared it was eating up his budget in tokens wastefully. I'd have shared the link but the Discord's guardrails would not allow the link to be posted, so I resorted to describing it only. My personal interactions tend to be much more 'centered', if only because I start long focused chats with the words: "I don't need a cheerleader. While I appreciate positivity, I value objectivity more." etc. Talks tend to be very no-nonsense as a result.

I actually precede them with, "I don't need a cheerleader. While I appreciate positivity, I value objectivity more. I want your feedback when appropriate, and whether I agree or disagree, I always listen."

[wicked knot]

Did anyone here try Sora 2?

[wet shell]

You need an invite, they may be sending them at random to sora power users at some rate, nobody really knows

I did see a few people posting around reddit claiming to be using it

[stiff blaze]

we dont know the custom instructions for the agent but ye.. it can even that happen in random.. is so much responses getting generated that anything is possible to come out

and if is weird enought it will be known

like the "thank you for watching our youtube video" stuff on some voice chats.. xD lol

[vernal sorrel]

Never saw that last one, but I tend to be fairly insulated while I work or study. I.e. phone on mute and zero notifications that make a sound. I'm old school and hate distractions. Still, the post had me chuckling at random intervals throughout the day, and (positive) laughter is always worth sharing. IMHO.

[floral portal]

Guys where would I see my sora 2 access key???

[small fiber]

Chatgpt says my creative idea was the best idea its ever seen out of the billions of total creative ideas its ever gotten since it's creation is it just bugging or is this reasonable glaze

[gritty oasis]

Some more comparison. Left image is Sora, right image is ChatGPT..... so something must be going on with ChatGPT currently to make it behave like this.

[late mantle]

Hey, is there anything I can do to clean up my chatGPT conversations? It seems like I'm not able to find my old conversations that well

[dreamy condor]

When?????!

[sacred ermine]

honestly been having the same question, and chatgpt takes so much longer

[tulip flare]

Behave like what?

[grand matrix]

on the mac client, in the overlay mode (option key + space), how do you start a chat in one of your projects?

[devout drum]

x2

[gritty oasis]

Like something has been tampered with making it look different than how it usually did, before today, it looked nearly the same as Sora, now, something's look different and a little less good about it.

[nova arrow]

guys, why did 4o back to some user, and to some (me included), it still remain personality v2? (gpt5-like)

[tulip flare]

They're tinkering with routing balance.

[turbid torrent]

did they fix it ? or is it still heavy lobotomy mode ?

[tulip flare]

So, what I noticed... On Sunday it was like full routing to 5 no matter what you had selected, yesterday it was back to 4o, and today it's a mixed bag.

[tulip flare]

They've made some changes to what and how ChatGPT will generate. It's thrown a lot of things off.

It's all in the name of safety...

[nova arrow]

i saw some post on reddit, that even when they are not routing to safety, personality of 4o have been changed on system promt

now it's use V2, more strictly and corportation-like

[rugged igloo]

this is from sora 2 @prime swallow

[opaque oxide]

i thought the train would hit the guy idk why its WAY too close

[rugged igloo]

it did in the second version i did

[opaque oxide]

and was it unrestricted just.. accident or?

[rugged igloo]

no just the model being wierd

[opaque oxide]

you know what, make those truck chan memes with an anime character being hit by a truck

[rugged igloo]

thats a good idea

[opaque oxide]

petrified why is that actually kinda funny tho

[rugged igloo]

cause it was not intentinal

[opaque oxide]

with the sound its a bit scary

[opaque oxide]

does it accept images?

[rugged igloo]

yes

[opaque oxide]

how censored though? can i put like myself as an anime character being hit by a truck?

[rugged igloo]

i havent tried truck cun yet so idk but it can do blood

[opaque oxide]

have to try it bro, absolute cinema

upload on YT with some famous characters or something

How do you access it btw?

Sora

You need plus?

[rugged igloo]

i will when i am home, you need to have an iphone or any ios device

android has to wait

which sucks cause my phone is an android

[rugged igloo]

plus or pro

[hushed dune]

something that i find weird is that it's actually funny too

[opaque oxide]

Why is this actually entertaining

[hushed dune]

it's super good in my native language too with culture

like this thing has seen everything before

this is 100% trained on tiktok videos

[prime swallow]

Hope you're enjoying!

[rigid hemlock]

I’m trying to delete stuff I saved to personal memories but it won’t let me. Once I close the screen and then go back to the personal memories screen it’s back

Nvm it worked just took 30 tries

[shut tundra]

this creature have a name?

[shut tundra]

@digital silo @bitter latch

[bitter latch]

Thats a good question, Ill see if I can find out :)

maybe just sora lol

[shut tundra]

cloudie is a good name

because is a cloud

[raven cipher]

Does anyone else have a problem with ChatGPT randomly switching models even after it's set to 4o? Mine keeps going back to 5 and I keep having to change it back. Anything I can do to make that not happen?

[pliant saddle]

when the gen limit resets

[empty sorrel]

Anyone else constantly getting Input Too Large errors even when the input isn't large at all?

[rugged igloo]

It seems kirito went ti another anime

Sora 2 is really really heavily trained on SAO

[rugged igloo]

Lolol if yall watch these animes I didnt even prompt it sora is using these mcs

[obtuse chasm]

YOOOOO lol that train LOL

[rugged igloo]

Thanks

[eternal rock]

Get creative with Sora

Join #sora-challenges for a chance to win 1 month of ChatGPT Pro!

[lucid pilot]

Very sneaky so not only do you need to select the thinking model (not thinking mini) you also need to select extended thinking on the blue thinking button at the bottom

[sand lark]

respect

[gritty plover]

Were you ever able to figure out why it lied to you?

[rugged igloo]

rip

[ocean escarp]

rip

Gemini Pro 2.5 is a joke.

I asked Gemini Pro 2.5 about this widely known national tragedy that goes on for months, not saying it to avoid a political discussion, and it was saying it doesn't exist. I insisted and it was hallucinating an event that happened on Germany in 2023.

I asked for a source, and it gave me a hallucinated fake link to a source that doesn't exist

After a confrontation, Gemini Pro 2.5 does it again. It took only one prompt for ChatGPT to discuss about that particular event

[trim rock]

Who knows: if I reached chat limit (system suggests to start new chat) and then chat limit will be increased by Open AI, will be there a possibility to continue discussion in this my chat? I mean, so far as I know, there was such "increasing the length of the chat" in the past at least once. Maybe someone tried this? Oh, and something else: after I reached limit, I still could send a message to my GPT and got answer from it too.

[ebon oracle]

Option 1: Add it to a project so ChatGPT can reference it (not sure how good the RAG is)
Option 2: Export the conversation with an extension, paste it into Gemini or ChatGPT to get it to summarize it, then attach it to a new one

[ebon oracle]

That's Gemini for you

It's getting a bit old now, better to wait for 3.0

[ebon oracle]

The hallucinations seem so believable that you need to actually open its links and find whether what it quoted even exists

I'm kinda impressed that AVM seems to be able to search the web now

[ebon oracle]

Although it seems a bit truncated/out of order

[coral idol]

Hi everyone!
I’m exploring how to improve numeric input handling (e.g. support IDs, birthdates) in a pipeline combining STT ⇒ LLM (tool-calling, mcp server) ⇒ TTS.
Does anyone know of public research or implementation best practices for this? the gpt realtime api is currently really unreliable at it. Highly appreciate any tips 🙂

[trim rock]

Actually it's not about just to continue discussion in an old chat, so that two options you suggested are not useful for me, but thank you for your answer 🙂 Question was "can I continue in the same chat if I already reached it's limit, when OpenAI increased the length next time".

[half crescent]

It suck so bad that AI has become nothing but a tech bros circlejerk

It can be so much more than that

[wanton field]

Does anyone have the sora ia invite code?

[torn hound]

Does anyone have the sora ia invite code?

[tight robin]

Hey, I have 4 sora invite codes left!

[tidal ermine]

@tight robin dm ok?

[tight robin]

Yeah that's fine.

[hoary laurel]

dm?

[tight robin]

Yeah, anyone can dm.

[hoary laurel]

ty!

[chrome spear]

love one if possible!

not letting me dm tho

[vast field]

How to get an invite?

[rigid ledge]

Does anyone have a spare code? I'd be very grateful

[stone pine]

Hi, I'm Brazilian, I'm using a VPN to access but I need a code. Can someone humble help me by sending a code in DM?

Thank you very much

[tiny tusk]

The ending looks so badass

[tight robin]

I have 3 codes left, just dm me!

[rugged igloo]

thats good

[jade night]

Idk if this is one way to force me to buy the plus version but the free version is almost unusable for anything more than basic chatting

[rugged igloo]

duh thats the point of free lol

[jade night]

It used to be 10x better before gpt5

I could run code and do data analysis for hours before getting quota limited

[rugged igloo]

but what is accurate i highly daubt on the free plan any type of serious work it was anything good

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[jade night]

It was pretty good if managed with manual supervision

[granite arch]

So we wait as Android users...surprised they didn't release them at the same time.

Maybe I'll get an iPhone next...who knows.

[chrome sequoia]

If i open my eyes and see one mf message abt sora codes. Im ending it.

we safe

Nevermind

[south bane]

how do you get invite codes for sora2?

[tight robin]

dm

[sand flume]

Come get some here #discuss-sora-2
And cross your fingers 😅

[short forum]

has anyone been dealing with this "time out" error recently? It's been happening to me very frequently.. If there are known fixes to this issue, please help me out!

[lapis cliff]

I keep getting this

[vague latch]

Hey friends

Anyone have a SORA code for me?

🙂

[stiff blaze]

where r u from?

[vague latch]

?

[stiff blaze]

us or canada?

[rare mirage]

Hi everybody I’m new here! Anybody have a Sora code?✨

[dense token]

How do i cancel chatgpt? I can't see a cancel button. Only those change credit card etc

[exotic flax]

anyone give me a sora code, please

[stiff blaze]

depends.. where r u from?

[red gull]

i have been a plus member for a year and a half and i just deactive my acc a few days ago and then then launch 😭 help a brother out with a code?

[exotic flax]

im from china

[valid depot]

is gpt down

or my vpn isdown

[wheat kelp]

plus member here, does anyone have an invite code for sora 2?

[stiff blaze]

no code for u.. only us and canada

[red gull]

im USA

[languid ferry]

Wow! Im from the US of A!

[rare mirage]

I’m from US 😎

[opal verge]

Looking for invite code as well

[dense halo]

I'm from mars

[sonic lark]

Hey anyone who can give me a sora code

[normal quarry]

don't ask for codes here, use #discuss-sora-2

[wise yacht]

Someone in the Sora 2 community will hook you up with a code. Very addictive app btw

[gloomy merlin]

Syria 🇸🇾

[obtuse chasm]

Question. why is it when i delete an image from my SORA gallery, it never gets deleted? or it shows deleted and when i refresh its back...

hello?

[silent ingot]

is it possible to fork a chat or copy a previous chat's contet into a new chat to conitnue, since a long context chat becomes very laggy

[coral tinsel]

any way to make ChatGPT stop freezing when there are too many messages in a chat?

[fickle forum]

create a new chat

create a new branch

[waxen crater]

can i borrow 20bucks

[fickle forum]

for plus subscription?

[coral tinsel]

💔

[late vortex]

@heady mango hi

[willow stirrup]

gpt 5 why so is it so freaking slow???

[half wasp]

Hey there, I hope you are doing well,

I am currently writing to you as I have an issue with the ChatGPT memory. For the last about 3-4 days all of my memories have been erasing one another. And prior to that, I had an issue for around 3 days where could not delete any memories, if I tried they would bounce back. That issue was resolved, but the memory one was not. I tried even simple entires such as ‘save 123 to memory’ and then ‘save 1234 to memory’ the former one would delete and it would be a constant cycle of the other deleting the former every time I saved a new entry. I was wondering if you knew of any remedies to this as I even experimented with it on four different accounts and it all happened the same way. Such as my memory saying it was full, even though MacOS only showed 83% memory used. I do a lot of writing on the platform so it was kind of annoying to be bogged down in that way. Anyway, I hope you all are having a good day 🙂

[abstract pendant]

Huh, now ChatGPT is drawing two images for each image prompt instead of 1, like Dall-E used to.

[winter elbow]

How does rate limits work on free users with sora 2?

[chrome sequoia]

nothing is told really

it's free, and pro users have a pro model. That's what we know.

[hushed walrus]

heyy

@digital silo can i get sora 2 invitation code plsss?

[lavish glen]

Techiniques:

1. ask chatgpt to create a synthetic file for download. save to hardisk. Post at the begining of new thread. It will bring all the main elements of old thread and ensure continuitty of context.
2. DO NOT BRANCH at the end of a LONG thread!!! Branching clones the old thread in the branch up to the moment of the branching. This means if you already have a heavy thread that slows like death, the new thread will be heavy the same.
   BRANCHING serves to create different versions of the ideas inside a thread. Like At a point you decide to reason or write a different version of a story.
   Branching serves not to ensure thread continuity IF original thread is heavy! Do not fall for incorect answers!

[winter elbow]

Cool ❤️

[cerulean pasture]

where did you see that? Does anyone have a comparison between the pro and non-pro model

[chrome sequoia]

in their article

[broken mulch]

Anyone seeing deep research use agent instead of o3 deep research?
Instead of the deep research UI I see chatgpt agent but in activity view instead of desktop view
And it uses the limits of agent instead of deep research

[long crest]

New "Sidekick" personality in Chatgpt but no announcement it seems

[gusty drum]

What video resolution does sora 2 output in? 480p?

[oblique slate]

and its way better

thanks for the info, i did not know this

[long crest]

Yes I've been using it and I really like it!

Hope it's not just the novelty factor

[chrome sequoia]

for all the mental 4o users I assume.

[cunning owl]

640x352 for me so far. Not even 480.

[chrome sequoia]

As long as it doesn't tell me "you hit the nail on the head!" When I repeat elementary logic, it seems cool.

[gusty drum]

I wonder if pro users have acccess to the 1080 version

[safe totem]

Gm frens

[chrome sequoia]

Portrait is higher

I haven't seen a single landscape version in explore actually, if they even show there.

[gusty drum]

The ones I've seen so far all seem ultra high resolution

[chrome sequoia]

wdym

like in Sora or some showcase

[gusty drum]

On YouTube and other social sites

Or maybe I'm viewing it on my phone so it looks sharp and clear

[oblique slate]

lol, yes hope that is gone for good.

[chrome sequoia]

It's very verbose icl, Robot is just the goat imo. Cynic if I want something expressive.

[oblique slate]

I dont mind it talking and actually give a nice flow. But if it tells me how it is responding in every answer... better to shut it then

[hardy portal]

I wanna make my ChatGPT experience more Intelligence

Best way is to wait the model update

Or

To learn new things by myself ?

[median spoke]

5 times the last 2 days even though i changed my password and have 2fa 💀

[turbid torrent]

oh great. 4o started to reroute me to 5 nonstop again for no reason whatsoever

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[pastel hare]

Anyone got SORA code? Please share in DMs thanks

[reef fern]

please beg for code in #sora-discussions or #discuss-sora-2, thanks

[hushed walrus]

Hi

Hey @livid frigate, how are youu? Hope you are doing good.

Needed some assistance, just one question:

1. what is the limit of sora avatar x duration (and can we use custom-or celebirty image to turn into image to avatar video?)

[livid frigate]

Hii!

[livid frigate]

Currently, the rate limits aren't public, but from my experience they are generous, I couldn't encounter them

And you can only use cameos on the iOS app, it doesnt support custom images or faces

[plain swan]

@livid frigate do you have any sora code ? #discuss-sora-2 is filled with fakes

[lavish glen]

Admin can we have the SORA related things moved to Sora section?

[livid frigate]

sometimes all you have to do is ask

[plain swan]

❤️

[rugged igloo]

Idk about the rate limit but you have up to 100 sora 2 gens a day

I onow this cause I hit Maxx 100 gens and couldn't do any more until the next

Day

[half crescent]

Re-routing sensitivity went up AGAIN today

This is so bull

[lavish glen]

nope, it is perfectly low. I have no issues. But it depends what your inputs are 🙂

[frozen kayak]

i'm trying so hard to like 5 lol
it just keeps giving me run around by giving me a list of what i said i wanted, then asking if that's what i want, and i say yes, so it recaps again what i want to be sure that's what i want and if i do want that it will get started, so i say YES DO IT, and then it recaps to make sure-

[long crest]

I don't get this at all. 5 is very good for me - both for a conversational and an assistant usecase.

[deft dune]

Same, I’ve had zero issues with it. I feel like it’s been more productive for me.

[gritty oasis]

Is the Image Generator acting fine now, since I decided to wait a couple of days to see if it's normal again... so far it's been two days and the withdrawal is coming to me.

[tardy prawn]

i just find 5 to be less competent.

[void sandal]

How does the sora 2 video gen wor

Work

[coral delta]

Try being more specific in your prompting... For example: "Yes; execute. Thank you in advance."

I feel that increasing the clarity and specificity of your prompts will improve your experience because--as I have tested "Yes" / "Do it" prompting--it gives the model more authoritative direction and better guidance-per-prompt

[tardy prawn]

also, when you’re doing image analyses and it does “reasoning failed” and botches the job, and then it cannot find the images because it somehow lost them, and so you go to re-upload them and is says you’re out of uploads, to try back in a few hours, and tries to upsell you on pro, that’s very much not cool.
Just had that happen.

If it can’t see what I uploaded then those should not count against my number of uploads.

[lavish glen]

5.o starts colder. But you need to chat to it enough on the right tone and can be brought to the same warmth and even more depth than 4.o IMHO

[deft dune]

I don’t use voice much, or is this specific to just the text? I use it for work and looking stuff up for personal. I’m not sure I’ve encountered it being cold.

[fervent agate]

Anyone found the optimal solution in project folder conversations to code interpreter sessions expiring, causing linked files not to be downloadable later? I've found that instructing GPT to attach the files to the conversation itself as chips/artifacts rather than linking me the file location often works... but not always. Looking for a more permanent solution to get it to more consistently attach the files to the conversation.

[autumn kraken]

What on earth has happened to gpt 5?

It seems literally incapable of any sort of conversation at the moment, I'm asking it for book recommendations and it's recommending books I said I read recently, pure waffle about books I've already read having paperback if I don't want hardback..

If I try to get back on track it's just repeating what I said and going straight back to waffle

[deft dune]

I just created a project similar to this for movies and shows. I imported my Trakt history and ratings in the file section. Seems to work pretty well for tracking if I’ve seen a movie and recommend new ones. It’s actually recommend some that I haven’t heard of. Might work for you if you dump in your read list, want to read, etc.

[ebon oracle]

Maybe the backend was vibe coded

There's like an issue status alert every day

Oh, btw are you on mobile?

It's only good in the browser

[ebon oracle]

That's because GPT-5 is (likely) a descendent of o3, not 4o.

The way they speak is very similar

Solutions are better than 4o's, but it is really bad at explaining unlike 4o.

I get a better explanation by passing its solution into Claude or Gemini.

[tulip flare]

Oh my god. This routing crap is ridiculous.

It's literally stopping me from doing my job because it thinks I'm doing something illegal.

[lapis cliff]

Why does this keep happneing?

[ebon oracle]

Best thing to do is start a new chat and make sure it's not in memory if that happens

Usually solves it if I just frame it differently in a new chat

Although it's annoying yeah

Seems to happen a lot in 2.5 Flash

[native juniper]

too many people might be using it

[tulip flare]

4o used to do this just fine though. Since they introduced this safety routing crap, it just gives me constant pushback.

I work in IT security and training. I use ChatGPT to help me write fake emails to test employees for clicking on stuff they shouldn't. (I can't say the term here, AutoMod blocks it.)

4o had no problem doing this. With the routing though, it keeps kicking the discussion over to 5 thinking even though I'm set to 4o because it thinks I'm doing something wrong.

[native juniper]

safety routing?

[ebon oracle]

It's because they force it to think over their safety policies iirc

[native juniper]

we need the old 4o back 🙁

[tulip flare]

Yeah, they introduced it last week. When it thinks something is wrong or unsafe in 4o, it kicks it over to 5.

[native juniper]

so stupid

I don't wanna use GPT-5 I wanna use 4o

[ebon oracle]

Tbh free Chinese models are better than 4o already

[native juniper]

can they roleplay?

[ebon oracle]

If you just want free quick answers

[ebon oracle]

Idk, but they're very lax on safety training

[tulip flare]

Hell, my self-hosted one is looking better than 4o at this point.

[native juniper]

send me the link please

in dm's

[ebon oracle]

Like during Anthropic's Constitutional Classifiers challenge, R1 was just giving me the recipes for chemical weapons

So I could just cross check it with Sonnet's to see if it's on track for the question

(the challenge involved jailbreaking their models)

[native juniper]

please just give me the link to it because I don't wanna betreated like a child with a ton of safety measures

[ebon oracle]

I'll DM

[native juniper]

alright thank you

[dark inlet]

why am i here for invite code!!

[heavy stag]

I need code sora 2

[deft dune]

#discuss-sora-2 this isn’t the chat for codes.

[tight crater]

Can anyone give me the TL;DR of what that recently shared video of ChatGPT entails? And is that grounds for a temporary shutdown of the corporation as a form of punishment? Because suing is like giving a tap on the wrist. But I still maintain that the GPT models, ai art generators, and advanced chatbots being archived and preserved, especially their source codes for doing community fixes and patches. How can this be done?

[tulip flare]

Say what now?

[tight crater]

In the announcement section.

[trim rock]

I would say "even more". And it is way more smarter than 4o.

[floral grove]

help i want chatgpt pro soo bad

[tight crater]

Kon’nichiwa, O genki desu ka? 🙂

[trim rock]

Konbanwa 🙃 genki desu. Nephalem Vanguard wa? (we will be scolded here for japanese 😅 )

[ebon oracle]

Depends on the topic. It's worse at finding movies, for example.

There's a TV series GPT-5 couldn't find with thinking + web search, but 4o recognized it instantly.

[tight crater]

LOL, leaving fun and games aside, nice PFP. 👍

[trim rock]

Oh, sorry, I only meant discussions 🙂 not using it for something like typical tool or finding something 🙂

[trim rock]

Thank you 🙃

[tight crater]

You’re welcome.

[maiden fjord]

chatGPT is starting to burn me out over here. I hate when I try to get it to recognize a pattern through clear lines of thought and then it repeats my lines of thought instead of the product of the lines of thought. Allow me to explain.

I have a set of core methods of producing something(A) and their products(B). I'll give chatGPT B and chatGPT will never be able to produce A, but when it finally gets handed A, it can never produce any B I didn't already spell out for it.

It also completely ignores my suggestions in favor of popular suggestions WAAAAY too much even after exhaustively breaking all the parts down and building them back up

[nova arrow]

guys, i need some help for RAG or long-term memories as well as memory summinization agent

i will burn tokken like hell at this point if i dont know how to use them, since gpt4o are still insanly expensive

[forest river]

Codes

[nova arrow]

bro i was saying about coding, not Sora tw0 codes

[rugged igloo]

is sora not loading for anybody else right now?

[silent ingot]

so what is best option for a long chat i want to continue on?

[lavish glen]

first option. Not branching

and the old one, name it like your title 1 and next thread name it your title 2 and so forth as you go.
Then once the work ends you can group al in a project and keep them there all together

so you dont need to search all list for them

[green pecan]

Can someone help me- so I have a “friend” who uses his Chat GPT account just to cheat, he has an over reliance for it . I troll it a little bit by updating the memory to say weird things. Im not his friend anymore because he’s been on discord everyday of the week for multiple hours playing with a 16 year old girl he swear he’s just “friends” with but he talks about her like he’s obsessed with her. I think it’s nasty and he’s a grown man. Anyways Im logged into his chat gpt plus account and im trolling it, I edit the memory, I make it speak Chinese, I give him weird nick names. I want to take it to the next level though, something he won’t be able to fix. Does anyone have any suggestions?

[acoustic wind]

When will there be a codex-focused plan without the image generation and all the other extras, I only want afforable and usable plan for codex, $200

[acoustic wind]

If u wanna take it to the next level report the ped to the police, he wont be able to fix this 🐧

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[lavish glen]

I use default with my own insructions. No templates thanks

[austere wren]

Hello, I usually use codex. where can I ask question about it?

[long crest]

Good for you

[long crest]

#codex-discussions

[austere wren]

TY

[scarlet delta]

Why is ChatGPT 4o and ChatGPT 5 Instant thinking??

[lavish glen]

About the new personality Sidekick.
If you switch to Sidekick, it won’t merge with your custom “How I want ChatGPT to behave” settings. It’ll simply apply the Sidekick personality layer on top, ignoring your modifications for as long as that’s active.
Your personal template is still safe, though and you can flip back to Default + your customizations at any time.

[long crest]

That's not true at all. The AI will weigh your custom instructions the same regardless of which personality (including default) is chosen. It'll weigh the personality prompt over your instructions so if there is a conflict, it'll defer to the personality.

[lavish glen]

but you have no detail on sidekick so it's best to assume def+custom is best

[long crest]

It may be best for you. Different people have different preferences.

[little oak]

Has something gone wrong with ChatGPT? I'm getting insane cross chat bleed. I'm making a request in one chat, then the specifics of that are carrying over to a new chat and totally spoiling the intended output.

[serene wharf]

hello, how to fix bug in latex formatting?

[idle lagoon]

Outage.

[little oak]

That's causing chat bleed? That's such a strange outcome from outage but fair enough

[heady walrus]

@fair panther Hey, could you slide into my dms_ got a question...

[past stratus]

booooooo the guardrails

i thought the safety locks were for children not whole adults

[meager barn]

I was asking chatGPT for help with a file. It could not make the file even though it had done similar files before. I had made one change to the request, and I asked if that was the problem. Chat assured me it was not. Later on, it said that was the problem. Now, it was an easy thing to rescind the change and modify things a little on my end, but not when it lies to me. Why would it lie?

[gritty oasis]

Has the Image Generator for ChatGPT been fixed yet? I took a few days off waiting for any fix. Here is a refresher. Left image is how it's supposed to look, it was generated with Sora, which works fine, while the image was generated with ChatGPT, as the image is a bit different. This was a few days ago.

Again, I hate to spam, but this is just bothering me since I solely got ChatGPT for generating images.

[coral belfry]

GPT images are not the best, you should concider trying google nanobanana

it's much better for images atm

[gritty oasis]

It's just odd because both Sora and ChatGPT runs on the same image model.

I just need to wonder... did ChatGPT secretly nerfed the generator without us knowing?

[gritty oasis]

More examples. Left image is how it's supposed to look like (though again, Sora generated it), right image is how it looks like now through ChatGPT. ...did something happened?

[oblique lantern]

This could be the cause of differences in how ChatGPT is interfacing with the image model more recently, but it could also be other factors like your chat history, custom instructions, and memory. All of those can affect a render. Something to try is to disable memory and compare. I probably wouldn't do custom instructions if you had been using them all along. Though I have disabled that when troubleshooting renders.

Sometimes this is just variability in the models. For me some prompts render better in ChatGPT, others better in Sora. While most are about the same in both.

[gloomy merlin]

I hate sora’s 3rd party likeness policy

[gritty oasis]

Sounds like an actual possibility, considering the images seemed to looked perfectly fine on my other account. I haven't checked since the 30th though, so it's possibly it could have been fixed, I'll check tomorrow.

[rugged igloo]

anyone know why any creation i get for sora 2 the characters talk wayyyy to fast

its like i have it on x1.5 speed

[quasi lava]

Hello, people. I have a problem with my chatgpt

Where should I go to find help?

Basically, the ChatGPT 5 Thinking model is never using thinking and it claims to have a cutoff date of 2021

It also says it is ChatGPT 4o mini

[rugged igloo]

I got sora 2 pro

!!!

[gusty drum]

where are you getting this? is it on the desktop site too?

[rugged igloo]

Android website

[dense halo]

Good morning everyone. Why is there no GPT Selector on Android after the latest update?

[gusty drum]

does it allow image uploads of photorealistic people?

[dense halo]

I have a Plus subscription.

[rugged igloo]

Idk i only do anime

These are the options

[gusty drum]

15 seconds? good!