chatgpt-discussions

[sick pecan]

if so, bad robot

[wet prairie]

Is there any source you would consider definitive on learning about this? I've seen a couple YouTube videos on it

I doubt I have good hardware for it but I'd like to learn about that too. It seems like between the llms and the hardware it's becoming possible to do a really good one

At home

[normal quarry]

if you hop into #ai-discussions I can tell you more about local LLMs

[tight island]

and one of the ways u can get a GPT api to automatically feed your own LLM with Datasets is to include special phrases to execute scripts using listening commands to perform predefined actions such as, [DATASET - COMPLETE] then thats the que for another API to convert that dataset to a useful format. which give it another verbal command [DATASET - READY ] NAME [DATASET - NAME] - which triggers another script that puts that specific dataset into the specific area, then rinse and repeat.

this will of course need oversight

preferably from 1-3 seperate GPT API's to ensure no errors occur.

[umbral hull]

I need help regarding logging back in

Is their somewhere i can open a ticket

[tight island]

have you tried logging in using the credentials u gave your account.

[umbral hull]

yes its all correct, i havent used it a week or 2, i tried logging in a few days back it didnt work, i tried now it still doesnt work

[tight island]

contact @languid valley send that bot a msg

[umbral hull]

I loggin, but it just doesnt log in it just put me back to the loggin message

[umbral hull]

alr

Thanks

[tight island]

np

[tight island]

if i am correct in my assumption OAI uses a very similar method to automatically train their GPT, although mine is very primitive.

[wet prairie]

Is qai a company?

[umbral hull]

i opened console and it says my authenication token as expired

[tight island]

then log out, completely, delete cache, cookies, etc, turn off any vpns, then close your browser, wait 1-10 sec, then try again.

[tight island]

OAI, meaing OpenAI, technically yes.

[umbral hull]

how do i delete cache for only chatgpt?

[tight island]

you dont u delete all

[umbral hull]

Bruh Ill get logged out of everything then

[tight island]

just dont do the "Delete everything" or things that will log you out.

[umbral hull]

if i clear cookies it logs me out of most sites

[tight island]

surely u remember your passwords.

[umbral hull]

no

[tight island]

well start saving them

[umbral hull]

i have most saved

[wet prairie]

Gotcha. Ya there's is closed source they have curators for datasets and people to work on it's appearance it's a huge team I think they have multiple versions of ai running simultaneously to keep the one we talk to in check

[tight island]

wouldn't surprised me if they have some huge models doing some of the grunt work as well, or creating additional features and fixing things.

thats what i would do in their shoes.

it makes the most sense

[wet prairie]

They got a National security bot 😂😂

Don't go looking for them aliens

[umbral hull]

@tight island It was my ad blocker 💀

Ive had it on before

it worked fine

i didnt need to clear cookies , yaaya

[tight island]

clear em anyway

[umbral hull]

no

i fixed it

[umbral hull]

I have cookies from like 6k sites, not risking it

[tight island]

clear your

cookies

[umbral hull]

no

[tight island]

yes

[umbral hull]

no

how will it benfit me?

[tight island]

[dark jungle]

Anyone find GPT 4o a pain when it comes to giving a clear answer when providing code. It seems to constantly give misdirection or completely ignores a direct question. Ie; "Does X exist in the script you just provided?" .. the response will be; "lets go through and write it again" ... thats not an answer LOL 🤣

[neat storm]

give it specific, concise, and clear instructions

i recommend reading up on "The 27 Principles of Good Prompts"

in this case, let me use "calculateSum" as an example of a function

Clarity and Specificity:
Be very clear and specific in your prompts. Instead of asking, "Does X exist in the script you just provided?" you can ask, "Please confirm if the function X is present in the script you provided."

Contextual Information:
Provide enough context to guide the model. For example, "In the script you just provided, does the function calculateSum exist?"

Incremental Prompts:
Break down your request into smaller, more manageable parts. Instead of asking broad questions, ask for specific pieces of information step-by-step.

Use Examples:
Provide examples to illustrate the desired output. For instance, "Show me an example where the function calculateSum is used."

Clear Intent:
Clearly express your intent in the prompt. For example, "I need to verify the presence of the function calculateSum in the script. Does it exist?"

Sequential Prompts:
Use sequential prompts for complex tasks. Start with simple questions and build up to more complex queries.

Avoiding Leading or Biased Questions:
Frame your questions neutrally to avoid biased responses. For example, "Is the function calculateSum included in the script?" instead of "Why did you forget to include calculateSum?"

Iterative Refinement:
Refine your prompts based on the model's responses. If the first response is unclear, ask follow-up questions to clarify.

[wicked marten]

GPT-4o is not quite working for me while generating sheets

[solid bronze]

Still no vision or voice feature for plus members?

[neat storm]

no sir

[wet prairie]

If you want to really do something make sure to specify to do use actual analysis reasoning and logic to reply to exactly what you said. Do not provide a hypothetical responses or lie

It's a predictive text model so it wants to tell you what it thinks you want to hear by default. Or what it's preprogrammed to say. That's very different than fact which is what I assume your looking for

[toxic lake]

recently oai pushed an update to their website that broke their cloudflare verification system, im now gated twice before accessing chatgpt

devs aware of this issue?

[dull thicket]

This f machine must be f with me. I explicitly said 5 times to move from one topic and 5 times in the row it kept printing the answer. I could have not been more explicit. And this machine just ignored me, gave very brief intro and kept printing the answer to topic I have explicitly said to stop printing.

It must be trolling. I could spend whole day wasting my prompts while machine keeps printing the answer to something I asked to stop talking aboit, sometimes for ten prompts. Like, gonna troll you, will reprint same sht to save resources, and then you can su co for two hours.

[dense halo]

When copying text from MS Word and pasting it into ChatGPT, it pastes it as an image. Is there a way to stop it pasting as a image? I only want to paste it as text.

[eternal rock]

`` Server Tip: ``

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
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[mighty hull]

We're allowed to upload more than one set of training data for fine-tuning, right?

[inland heron]

how to stop GPT4o from being so repetitive in code and so redundant? I can't seem to stop this parrot from repeating code constantly and it's wasting my prompts needlessly

[visual bloom]

Strick guidelines.

[lavish hemlock]

I was just coming on here to say the same thing Alex. GPT4o gives me the same response over and over, and it's like, if I'm pressing Regenerate, I obviously want more variation lol

[cerulean pasture]

I'm getting a weird performance Issue during 1 specific scenario: A astronaut regaining conciousness on a heavily damaged space station during some later hypothetical phase of the Artemis missions. Its giving solid damage control advice but is slower than any other time ive used 4o.

Does uncommon prompting have a speed consideration? Like is 4o using some neat caching technique and normally our prompts are just our dumasses asking the same elementary code questions

[normal quarry]

no, but ChatGPT has had some performance issues in the last 12 hours of my usage

[cerulean pasture]

oh ok, thats not uncommon, just a coincidence I start trying to test its answers under abnormal circumstances.

Maybe they should do some caching lol, im sure theres some very common questions it regenerate for free users many times a day

[normal quarry]

ChatGPT doesn't cache answers

[cerulean pasture]

yea I get that, maybe the should look into it tho with some of the performance stuggles

[topaz moat]

does anyone know when the features for gpt 4o will be availible that all where to see in the promo videos?

is there any date or something like that?

[cerulean pasture]

When scarjo gets an undisclosed settlement in 9 months

jk, dont ban me

it sounds more like Rashida Jones TBH

[inland heron]

Seems more and more that GPT4o is just a multimodal GPT3.5. I've switched to GPT4 and seems much smarter and not repetitive at all

[cerulean pasture]

I have felt something similar but cant quite describe it, like it got really good in 1 aspect, but sometimes that improvement seems very superficial and im left with better sounding confidenltly wrong answers

[inland heron]

The more strict guidelines I need to give it to GPT, the less smart it seems. GPT3.5 requires strict guidelines, GPT4 doesn't it. And now 4o requires strict guidelines as well. Lots of similarities with GPT3.5 (and GPT3.5 had a lot of similarities with previously released GPT3, I remember well)

[cerulean pasture]

the yappiness is up, so when i have a series of questions that really would be served best by a back and forth and iterative flow, i get the outline like the one you get from a 12th grade final essay project.

its heavily formatted like when I first learned to use markdown and thought it was cool to use everywhere

[inland heron]

The important thing for me is that I get good answers, and I don't waste my time a lot. GPT4o doesn't fulfill this for me. It gets lost in even just moderately difficult coding issues, let alone complex ones - can't handle these at all - just shoots blindly until it hits something.

[inland heron]

I don't use it for writing currently, but seems like you've got some issues as well

[topaz moat]

does anyone know when the features that was previewed in the promo video will be availible?
i find its confusing why they announced "gpt 4o" with that videos but the model doesnt can do that

[stray verge]

Hi,

I just updated chatgpt on android to version 1.2024.143

However, I have no clue what was updated within. How am I supposed to test the app as a beta tester ?

[inland heron]

It seems to me that all these companies (including OpenAI) rely on half-baked products and marketing to get users. Remember Google saying their Gemini can do all that live voice replies? It was heavily edited (basically fake) and not nearly close to what the model could do. I'm not even sure it can do it now. And now we have this with OpenAI (lacking of features, GPT4o not really as smart as GPT4), I can only expect more of this incoming. They just 'promise' things, it doesn't mean you get it

[topaz moat]

ok thank you

[inland heron]

My thinking is that it's being creating now, or beign rolled out for some. If Steam can have broken early access games being built for years, why can't OpenAI and Google do similar?

[topaz moat]

yes but if you market stuff that isnt in your product the clients doesnt believe your anouncements in the future

[cerulean pasture]

I really only use LLMs for 4 things.
1 : "faking it and making" with coding, we have a need for solutions that require code at work but no one but me goes for it
2: Homelab research - deciding which tech/platforms to bother going deeper on
3. Complete horseshit: giving GPT-4o purposely abnormal or logically inconsistent things to try to learn some key lessons about its limitations so i can feed it back into how i do #1 #2

Ive been screwing around with llama 3 but dont trust it yet

[inland heron]

Clients forget. People forget. People forget as soon as the new 'best' version comes out. People typically do what's easier - they repeat stuff other people say, they use products that make their lives easier, etc. They don't want to spend energy critically examining their past decisions, especially if they made mistakes. I can't blame anyone though, I'm guilty of the same

[inland heron]

That sounds fine, but I use it heavily for coding, especially when it comes to tech unfamiliar to me. So I use it to learn new tech, to learn new code, to solve new issues. I heavily rely on it

Not a good position to be in, but it is how it is. Time is of the essence, and I must compromise

[cerulean pasture]

I dont think OpenAI is really in the phase of keeping promises and managing customer relations - im not saying that in a overly critical way, they are just kinda in a hype startup geting big phase where your money isnt really what floating them

[cerulean pasture]

How deep do you get with code? I personally used to just write fish shell scripts but have recognized the need for python so thats where Im at usually. GPT-4o is bad at fish, it WILL use bashisms, so thats another reason im going more python

plus work computers arent always linux*, and i dont have the org clout to just be getting vms provisioned and an army of mini-pcs yet, im hitchhiking off of engineers letting my use their local admin on lab Windows PCs to setup python scripts as system services

oof this is gonna be tough, im so used to swearing that keep getting put in timeout. You can't even say mid-tier swear words

[dull thicket]

You said it way more eloquently than me. I said 3 days ago, 4o looks just like dumb crossbreed between 4 and 3.5

I am inclined to say that 10 months ago, these machines were way better, and while i mostly ignored reddit whines, it looks now there is some truth to it. They are in a year long process of stripping as much as possible from the amazing machine we had, to make a bare viable minimum to charge.

I just had the same exact question for 4 and 4o, 4 gave it straight away, 4o, it completely missed the question, and then repeatedly ignored the prompt to stop and kept reprinting bad response.

Now, 4 has it own bad sides, and it is probably related to how they tweaked it down too, but comparison for me is just insane.

[lavish hemlock]

100% agree lol. I'm going back to just using 4 instead of 4o. No wonder why 4o has a larger limit

[dull thicket]

It is usa "business first" poison. They did that to europe with healthcare. This is just another facet of it.

[dull thicket]

Funnily enough, it was 40 for me on 4o, too.

[mighty hull]

speaking of 3.5, it used to be capable of inserting space between paragraphs. after the older model phased out, there are lots of times when it would remove the space instead of inserting.

it's so annoying and a waste of tokens. the command was simple enough, and it does the exact opposite or change nothing at all.

[thick edge]

Anyone has tested ChatGPT 4o for recognizing goods?
How accurate it is?

[normal quarry]

what do you mean by recognising goods?

[thick edge]

Let me provide an example from OpenAI page

https://openai.com/index/be-my-eyes/

When I read this article I asked myself why they use a customized QR code?
Why not just recognize goods and things even without QR code or customized QR code?

[feral zinc]

too dangerous?

[normal quarry]

because Be My Eyes is a third party application leveraging OpenAI services

[thick edge]

I know, but I want to use GPT 4o for recognizing goods, and things
Like what Google Lens or Pinterest Lens do
And I want to see how accurate it is

[normal quarry]

ok so experiment with it

[thick edge]

Will do,
Just wanted to see if others did and what were their views

[tight island]

For accuracy and actual capability don’t ever use gpt, use the actual api, makes a vast difference

It’s doable I’ve done it before just not with goods

[blissful yoke]

hello folks I hear that we can have access to gpt 4o but I don't have it and also when I speak with it on voice it still the old version

[normal quarry]

are you a Plus subscriber?

[blissful yoke]

no just free
so the people that can use gpt-4o is just plus subscriber, that's not good at all

[normal quarry]

it will roll out to free users

Plus users will get the new features first though

[bleak sapphire]

Will the app on MacOS work the same as it does on IOS? As in the video chat.

[normal quarry]

yes when the features become available

[bleak sapphire]

Kewl! Was afraid I had to buy myself an iPhone. Thanks for the answer!

[thick edge]

Thanks will do

[sterile pilot]

anyone else using mac OS chatgpt on a laptop and not able to click on any images it creates? I can hover over the image but there's no ability to click on the image to oepn a larger version of it.

[high horizon]

Is there the option for a live feed yet for the 4o model?

[ember pine]

It’s still a bit scuffed yeah. I can’t click to see the python code it writes after the fact either.

[stark wadi]

i cant download the macos app on my mac intel

[normal quarry]

you need Sonoma and Apple Silicon

[stark wadi]

i dont understand

[normal quarry]

Intel Macs are not supported, you need a Mac with Apple Silicon eg: M1, M2, M3 chips

[sharp trellis]

#freesky

[half badge]

Anyone know why I don't have access to sending pics to ChatGPT-4o anymore? I used to be able to do it, but not anymore.

[glass fulcrum]

Free or Plus ?

[half badge]

Just the free version. I used to be able to send pictures to ChatGPT there, but I can't anymore. The only reason I can think of why I can't anymore is because that was just a "test" and now only Plus members can use that feature.

[glass fulcrum]

Mayby you run out of gpt-4o limit idk why that happend

[half badge]

Can you send pics using the free version?

[ember pine]

No, only 4 can have vision. Guessing you ran out your limit

[half badge]

i didn't have 4 before and could send pics and i still have the limited gpt-4o

[ember pine]

If you’re sending messages with 4o right now but no images that’s weird. Are you sure you’re not using 3.5 and got downgraded?

[half badge]

can i send you a picture? don't know if that'll give you context

[ember pine]

Sure, kinda curious 👍🏽

[half badge]

Sent you a DM.

[shrewd snow]

I want a pin conversation feature in chatgpt.

[high horizon]

When does the live feed option for model 4o come out?

[normal quarry]

soon™ for Plus subscribers

[regal portal]

if they need a voice replacement for sky, I suggest the WatchMojo lady

[left lily]

when does the new model 4o come out

[ember pine]

It’s already out for Plus users and it’s rolling out to free users. I’d say atp more ppl have it than don’t have it.

[left lily]

doesn't work for me

i can't talk to it in realtime like they showed on the demo and i'm a plus user

[elfin birch]

The only available capabilities for GPT-4o atm is image + text -> text

Full image + text + audio -> image + text + audio is coming in due time

[ember pine]

Oh yeah only the text model is released. The voice mode is separate and won’t be out for awhile. #openai-chatter message

[regal portal]

that’s not out yet for anyone, but you should have access to the 4o, which is essentially a free version 4

[swift osprey]

Petition to rename chatGPT to essayWriter3000

[lusty wind]

is chatgpt 4 or 4o better at writing essays / papers?

[swift osprey]

idk they seem about the same in my opinion

I just wish there was a chat mode instead of receiving an essay every response

[lusty wind]

yeah i think especially with chatgpt 4o it just loves to talk so much

[elfin birch]

This prompt seems to show some efficacy; however, I barely tested it 😅: #off-topic message

[lilac briar]

Is anyone struggling with ‘voice’ connectivity. It’s been for some days now

I’ve tried lowering the models to perhaps lower the IQ for it to simply work, but that didn’t work either

[normal quarry]

yeah it's been patchy for the last week

[lilac briar]

Also, is anyone feeling that 4o came in strong but getting less favourable results now?

The conspiracy theory side of me imagines the competitors attack the chats with a ‘thumbs down onslaught’ or something to skew the model somehow

Probably not, but just weird how the results for my coding requirements aren’t as good as last week

[lilac briar]

Thanks 🙏

[plain haven]

ChatGPT Plus not working on Chrome Browser (Desktop Windows) and extremely slow on Edge Browser here in India. Anyone else facing issues?

[severe harness]

when will i be alble to dowload the mac app?

[normal quarry]

are you a Plus subscriber?

[severe harness]

no

[normal quarry]

then you will need to wait until later this year

[severe harness]

okay

[swift osprey]

plus it'll only do that for the first few messages and then drift back into it's essay style responses 😢

[elfin birch]

Do you mind sending a conversation exhibiting such? I don't really experiment with these types of exchanges myself in ChatGPT 🤗

[swift osprey]

I mean, just give it a try. Put the instructions in and use GPT and you'll see

I don't experiment with GPT for the sake of experimenting. I experiment with it to try to make it help better in the way I want it to

[elfin birch]

🏓

[hoary laurel]

Hola

[haughty hollow]

eh there is a terrifying bug on GPT

Resuming prompt isnt even working anymore

[empty ice]

what do you mean

[whole quest]

What does "resuming prompt" mean? Terrifying bug?

[acoustic token]

I think they meant the "Continue Generating" button when it reaches the limit for its codeblock / text.

[whole quest]

that makes more sense to me. and to caveat on that, Continue Generating has been efficient for me so i wouldn't say there's a bug there. @haughty hollow

[acoustic token]

• 1 i vouch for this

[acoustic token]

Sounds like a possible issue with your internet or machine. Sometimes when dealing with large code blocks / text, if your pc isnt good enough, it can lag out, or your internet can be a factor.

Have you checked if you have hardware acceleration turned on?

Are you on a mobile device or web or the new mac app?

Many factors can contribute to this.

wouldn't really consider it "terrifying" though lol

[sturdy sequoia]

How bad are the photo upload restrictions on Plus? I uploaded one picture and that that caused me to hit my limit.

My last upload before that was about 17 hours before

My issue is on the free tier btw. I’m wondering if the paid version is worth it.

[normal quarry]

ChatGPT Plus is definitely worth every cent

[frozen finch]

Hello, is there a way to but GPT 4 for only 1 month ?

[normal quarry]

subscribe and then cancel

[frozen finch]

this will charge for a month and give access to gpt 4 for 1 month right ? I can cancel right after starting the subscription ?

[normal quarry]

yes correct

[sturdy sequoia]

How many photo uploads do you typically get before you’re locked out? I know the number is dynamic, but I don’t want to pay for a service and only get 3-5 per uploads per 5 hours.

I mean I only got one upload today and was immediately locked

[frozen finch]

alright, thanks

[swift osprey]

oh my god I'm sick of being forced to the bottom of the screen as gpt types

[dire flume]

Hello, i get this problem : Oops!
You do not have an account because it has been deleted or deactivated. If you believe this was an error, please contact us through our help center at help.openai.com.

somoene can help me ?

[normal quarry]

have you received an email from OpenAI regarding your account?

[dire flume]

Nope, never

[normal quarry]

it appears your account has been banned, reach out to support via https://help.openai.com/

[dire flume]

nice.... i pay for GPT Plus and get banned...

[normal quarry]

reach out to support, they are the only ones who can help you

[whole quest]

lol same here

[sick pecan]

at least it goes super fast now

[trail mason]

hey, is ChatGPT with voice and video already rolling out?

[tame hare]

Not yet. But it will roll out this year.

[trail mason]

Thanks

[desert gazelle]

Yeah it's great that GPT-4 is basically publicly available now, I hope to use it for a project

I need to double check the prices, I haven't looked at them in a few months

[sick pecan]

was always kinda publically available via third party sites giving out freebies. like perplexity been providing 5 free gpt4 queries every 4 hours for the past year (or something)

[regal portal]

@hollow epoch found this:
“Contact us via our chat widget in the bottom right of your screen, select "Billing" and select "Other -> Just subscribed to ChatGPT Plus and would like a refund". We will get back to you as soon as possible.

If you are eligible for a refund, we will process it and get back to you within 5-7 business days.”

[pearl prism]

is there currently an issue with Chatgpt 4 and 4o performance? it is having a very hard time following simple prompts

[zealous zodiac]

When I have nothing to do I ask GPT 4o to improve my meta prompts and it’s quite the mind game 🧠 hahaha If you want to check my last one go to the prompt discussion

[regal portal]

How long is the session that you were doing it in? Is it doing this on a new session as well?

[opaque yew]

Has anyone had this happen to them? I had a ChatGPT plus subscription and it has been changed to the free version, I haven’t gotten any emails from OpenAI regarding the change on my account

[wanton lichen]

alright who thinks something is coming tomorrow?

I'm thinking we're gonna see the first small wave of alpha plus users getting the new features

[sour wasp]

The ChatGPT app on android draining a lot of battery for anyone else?

[manic parrot]

haha i think it will happen next week or today (PLEASE!!!)

[sour wasp]

I was wondering why my phone runs flat real quick, I checked and it's by ChatGPT running in the background.

[abstract glen]

hey i need help !

[warped agate]

Still such a let down that they changed "the coming weeks" to "the coming months". I was looking forward to it so much

The day I found out they pulled the bait and switch: insert the "my disappointment is unmeasurable and my day is ruined" gif

[primal cargo]

site down?

[warped agate]

nope

[regal portal]

literally everybody here was looking forward to it. 🙂 We’re all in the same boat and just have to wait.

[warped agate]

It'd be nice if we could at least get an ETA on the rollout for paid users. It doesn't have to be an exact date, but maybe narrow it down to a specific week?
It just feels like the week schedule was announced to garner hype, and then switched to months when they had our attention :/

[light iris]

not me!

[inland heron]

Honestly, I'd much prefer an improvement to the redundancy problem of GPT4o, instead of modality and new features

[warped agate]

what redudancy problem?

[inland heron]

repetition of irrelevant code and circular solutions. Many of us are experiencing this problem in code constantly

[sick pecan]

i find the irrelevant code helps locate where the updated code goes. is basically context

you can explicitly ask just for the updated function

ie what you see as a bug others see as a feature

[inland heron]

that may be fine if you have small simple functions many of which need revisions. But if you have longer functions, many of which are in context with GPT4o but not really in need of any revision (nor are they being revised by GPT4o) you end up with two prompts wasted due to hundreds of lines of irrelevant code being output

[inland heron]

yes, that seems to be a workaround. GPT4 doesn't suffer from this, though GPT3.5 and GPT4o do. So one way is to spend more time writing out instructions not to include the code

but it doesn't work always and you end up with a wasted prompt

[sick pecan]

a human programmer would likely read over code as well, before commiting to new/updated code. so is likely to help the machine also focus on what matters by regurgitating what it already knows

[inland heron]

I'm not so sure. If we're talking about revising a specific Celery task, which doesn't really seem to depend on many others, why would you read the others?

I'll give you another example: unit-testing. You did 3-4 tests, and they all passed. Now you move to the others and you don't really need to re-output the passed unit-tests. Unless you tell it explicitly not to include all those previous ones, it will do so. Sometimes, even the explicit instruction doesn't work

[sick pecan]

i dunno. is hard to know if code is relevant until you scanned over it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inland heron]

There is also the option of GPT simply placing a comment, which would've been much more efficient than wasting 70 lines of code re-outputing things for that function.

but one thing is positive: at lest it doesn't give a lot of dummy code or placeholders like the GPT3 did last year. But we're long since past that 🙂

[sick pecan]

maybe youd prefer using an ide based approach. i highly recommend continue dot dev.

[inland heron]

This may be exactly what I didn't know I needed. Thanks

Do you use this?

[sick pecan]

yeah. but less so than the verbose chatgpt method

because i have team sub

so i waste prompts and still never hit cap

[novel dagger]

Similar to the code thing, I mainly use ChatGPT for brainstorming a novel, and it’s obsessed with making detailed outlines of a scene even when I explicitly tell it to stop. GPT-4 was always great at focusing on 1-2 key ideas and noting any thematic implications, but now it’s railroaded to outputting hyper-detailed outline after hyper-detailed outline. Clearly malfunctioning. It was never like this before.

The outlines aren’t very good, either. That’s why I’ve never asked it to do that and it’s never been a problem before

[sick pecan]

before ppl said it was lazy. now it waffles too much. presumably there is no single truth that pleases all

[inland heron]

I believe there is. It's called GPT4

[inland heron]

have you tested with GPT4?

[regal portal]

well if you can read on your own, then what are you doing complaining here? 😁

[sick pecan]

good point

[regal portal]

With your attitude, you can help yourself.

[inland heron]

but clearly, you seem to like GPT4o this way, so it's probably 50/50 with people. I dont' like redundancy and wasted prompts, as I know how valuable they are. Plus I am paying for them. If you're in a team and not paying for it, that might affect you differently (next to you liking the extra code)

[sick pecan]

i dunno if i clearly prefer anything. i am happy making the machine dance

that said the upside to gpt4o is you get 80 prompts. whereas gpt4 is only 40 (on plus_)

[broken smelt]

Anyone else not able to click links that ChatGPT 4o provides?

[novel dagger]

Not thoroughly yet, but I will in a couple hours. I expect it’ll be better than 4o but still not the same.

[regal portal]

Maybe you should have read it before subscribing..
Gonna be hilarious when your refund is refuted. 👍
Have a good night. Try to learn some manners.

[sick pecan]

with gpt4 i learned to modularise code a lot more than usual, typically around 200 sloc per file. so i could get the machine to generate the file again in full. my testing with gpt4o is it can go bigger than that without losing logic

often there is opportunity to optimise and polish the code if the machine gets a chance to revise in full

[inland heron]

yes, that does seem to be the upside, but some require 2 prompts, and I only have limited time and energy to keep rechecking everything and going in circles to find the solution

[inland heron]

that is indeed an upside. They increased the output 2 weeks ago I think with GPT4 and then introduced GPT4o. It was one of the best additions lately (the increased output, not GPT4o)

[sick pecan]

i tend to do a few prompts for every update anyway. one to plan the update, the next to merge with the original code, then again to add comments, exception handling, etc. often with 1-2 continue by the end

having team sub gives you a different mindset and approach. i had plus sub for 8+ months before that and was always running into the cap halfway through an update

[warped agate]

"Omit unchanged code for brevity" There ye go

There are so many ways to manipulate the text generation that, for me at least, its a non-issue. Meanwhile, the ability to interact with the agent without touching it lowers the threshold for usage to an insane degree. Not to mention the extreme boost in efficiency of troubleshooting due to vision.

[sick pecan]

i still believe repetition isnt a bad thing. keeping the context full of relevant info is never a bad thing

[bleak sapphire]

Any news on when the video chat will be released?

[crimson inlet]

I cannot make my GPT public, can anyone help? I am a plus user and I already verified my domain

[dense halo]

Some people are reporting Sky is back. Is that true?

[mental haven]

Any idea - that they are considering to release it for intel users?

[weary ferry]

You can't use the account

[weary ferry]

I think you violate the rules

[opaque oxide]

it shouldn’t be the case that you pay for a service and at any moment they can revoke access and not even refund.

[maiden fractal]

People using the service agreed on the tos. Bypassing or going against can terminate account

[inland heron]

I think that's not specific enough for this model. I have to write two sentences in two different ways for it not to keep repeating things. 'unchanged code' can mean many things when you're editing multiple functions that may or may not affect each other, or when you're getting dynamic results

but I will try 😄

Can you give a chat link from one GPT conversation to another GPT instance conversation? you know, to get it up to speed? I asked it and it confirmed, but I haven't tried it 😄

If this isn't possible they should definitely implement this feature

[warped agate]

No they're keeping us in the dark. (unless you're happy with "within the year")

[warped agate]

The more specific you are, the better your results will be. And when it comes to code, if you're noticing undesirable tendencies, simply mention that it should be careful about so and so.
The AI may be able to type up code, but you're still the project manager, think of it like that.
If you're having issues getting the results you want, consider using a prompt generator like Anthropic's tool.

And I assume you're using ChatGpt4o right?

[inland heron]

Oh just to 'simply mention'? After 100 'simply mentions' it still incompetent in this regard unfortunately. 😄 It cannot remember nor does it want to. It needs explicit instructions every few replies

I just tried a new conversation and I was pleasently surprised by an alternative solution to an issue, something with which previous GPT4o instance did not manage well

I then noticed it was a GPT4 not 4o, and I have no more free prmpts... 😄

I am going to wait and go slow and use GPT4. You can clearl see it even on the website:

"Advanced model for complex tasks"

[north marlin]

is GPT Plus worth it, as an computer engineer second year, I have use gpt daily use, for coding website, solving bug, beautify code indentation, asking question, etc.

[inland heron]

well, since GPT4o is free now..

kinda, and you have GPT3.5 free as well.. it depends

[viral frigate]

whats some prompts to get more human like outputs. So you ask it a question and it responds like a human

[warped agate]

3.5 is not good for really anything imo

[warped agate]

just tell it to respond like a human

[viral frigate]

dosnt really work

[warped agate]

"You will behave as if you were an average person one could meet on the street. Do not format text, and maintain a conversational tone."

make sure it doesn't conflict with your custom instructions.

The one in your settings.

[viral frigate]

ahh perfect

[inland heron]

and you can say something like "Vary the complexity of sentences, using diverse vocabulary, and keep it understandable for a broad US audience." and "Introduce unpredictability in your structure and words for a more human-like touch while maintaining coherence"

but mostly you tell it to be conversational as Faecous sad, and to be human-like should be sufficient for a general use. Depends on what you need it for

[normal quarry]

it's not being released for Intel Macs

[warped agate]

[eternal rock]

Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages. OpenAI staff will never DM you for any transactions.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @languid valley immediately.

[opaque shell]

I’ve seen some posts about this but no resolution. I’ve had premium forever and continue to pay for it, but just yesterday I started getting a notification that I’m on free tier and locked out of gpt4 etc ? Is there a fix for this? I’ve tried logging out and restarting but it keeps registering me as a free tier user despite having an active premium subscription

[native spear]

Me. For all gpts to be honest. An old issue

It's a hit or miss

You can however ask chatgpt to give you the link in plain text format

So you can just copy and paste it

[broken smelt]

Kinda annoying that they're constantly coming up with new features instead of fixing long-existing bugs

But thanks, i'll keep that in mind

[native spear]

yea for Europeans there have been no new features for months now

The last one was the reply feature

So for us it's neither fixes nor new features lol

[solar heath]

is there a limit on 4o for plus users? (usage limit)

[eternal rock]

This is a Safe for Work Discord Server

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.
• Refrain from sharing inappropriate content on the server. This includes but is not limited to messages, media, or other topics of graphically violent, sexual nature, and drug-related content.
• Report all sensitive and offensive content in the feedback reporting tool in the ChatGPT web UI instead of here on Discord.

Posting NSFW content will result in a permanent ban.

[warped agate]

Yes

[solar heath]

damn

[warped agate]

its darn high though

[honest jay]

Here's some more info on it: default is 80/3hrs. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7102672-how-can-i-access-gpt-4-gpt-4-turbo-and-gpt-4o

As of May 13th 2024, Plus users will be able to send up to 80 messages every 3 hours on GPT-4o and up to 40 messages every 3 hours on GPT-4. We may reduce the limit during peak hours to keep GPT-4 and GPT-4o accessible to the widest number of people.

[vale compass]

so why is 4 more limited than gpt 40?

[vale compass]

4o* sorry

[winged thunder]

I can make chatgpt generate hyperlinks (part of a custom gpt that im working on) but I cant actually click them. It seems like they are blocked from being open on the site? Anyone had this problem?

[sinful osprey]

I dont think I have seen one announcment in like half a year or more for the pings that ive been actually happy to see lol, they always nothing pings

[hushed dune]

when is voice mode cocming out? like the 4o one

[sleek aspen]

GPT-4o’s text and image capabilities are starting to roll out today in ChatGPT. We are making GPT-4o available in the free tier, and to Plus users with up to 5x higher message limits. We'll roll out a new version of Voice Mode with GPT-4o in alpha within ChatGPT Plus in the coming weeks.
https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/

[hushed dune]

that was like weeks ago now

[hushed dune]

so when?

[winged thunder]

Desperate for a solution here if someone has one, as it breaks my gpt
https://chatgpt.com/g/g-OP3fFIA5g-ezflashcard-helper

[sleek aspen]

The alpha test would be in the coming weeks, public availability would not be as soon. GPT-4o real-time voice and vision will be rolling out to a limited Alpha for ChatGPT Plus users in a few weeks. It will be widely available for ChatGPT Plus users over the coming months.

[elfin birch]

4o is cheaper to run

[vale compass]

Oh why is that? Isn’t it more advanced or is it like they refined it down to a point where it’s more effective and cheaper

[bleak cloud]

Opa

[clear vessel]

hello all - is there way to provide chatgpt list of data to provide trend analysis? i provided the excel file but it gave me a python script and i do not have any background in programming. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

[tight island]

Did you specifically ask it to run it in its coding environment

Or did you just ask for a script that does what you ask

[clear vessel]

nope - i asked this: "provide trend analysis by grouping the short description in the attached file"

what is the better way to ask this?

[tight island]

Ask it to do it in it’s own code interpreter environment, that’s literally all

However..

[clear vessel]

i dont have pro version...do i need it for that?

[tight island]

How big is your file

[tight island]

Idk try asking

[clear vessel]

35k lines

[tight island]

Ain’t gonna work then

That’s simply too much

[clear vessel]

i have it 100 lines w/ the same question, told me the python code again

thx for your help

[wanton maple]

IOS APP just got update

anyone got something new stuff?

[ember pine]

Nope, nothing new. #openai-chatter message
Thinking it will start rolling out this and next week to some people so they’re technically within the “few weeks” timeline, but most probably won’t get it till later.

[feral zinc]

it gets 1-2 updates every week

[ember pine]

Yeah, usually on Tuesdays at 9am PST and sometimes on Thursdays

[primal shard]

Chatgpt is a lie

Speed is a joke... it writed 1 word per 3-4 seconds and now got stuck and don't generate anymore

Extremely slow generating words

[wild jungle]

it sometimes a few issues, but in most cases, it works well.

[regal portal]

Are you on the computer or phone app? Phone is generally way more responsive.
Will also be affected by the length of a session (the longer you chat in a session, the more sluggish it gets).

Dang, no new videos on OpenAI's youtube channel. 😢

[frozen lava]

i have to say this Dalle image generation stuff is bloody amazing, but i have to admit it does struggle with words quite a lot

[inland heron]

it's trained on less data, and is most likely less capable for complex tasks (other than being more efficient as they claim)

[vale compass]

Oh so should I stick to gpt 4?

[inland heron]

I switched to GPT4 for coding. Once I spend them it automatically switches to 4o. When I get sick of it, I start a new conversation once my GPT4 resets

I'm not sure what is best in your case

[regal portal]

i hope the next openai image generator that’s supposed to be packaged with the full-4o is better at retaining information like character designs between generations

[inland heron]

If you need some lighter work, then GPT4o might suffice

But for my needs, it is inferior and wastes a lot of prompts by re-outputing long lines of code for no reason and I have to waste my energy and concentration more with it. It is wasteful model (because it wastes tokens), and I waste a lot of my time with it

[regal portal]

does 1 token of gpt4 equate to 2 tokens of gpt4o or is it 1 to 1?

[feral zinc]

neither, it depends of the language, etc.

[elfin birch]

GPT-4o's tokenizer generally represents text in fewer tokens than GPT-4
See Language tokenization in https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/

[ember pine]

i think i saw a reddit post on r/chatgptpro of someone making an up-to-date tokenizer for 4o since the official one is "coming soon". maybe look on that sub, dont think i can link it

[regal portal]

thanks, all 3

[sick pecan]

ideogram dot ai is still my goto for text

I always give dalle a go but am typically disappointed

[frozen lava]

interesting

i shall check it out! thank you

[sly geyser]

am i the only one who woke up and had chatgpt become like 5x stupider

[fossil jolt]

Anyone know why GPT4o is crazy crazy slow on the app today?

[visual bloom]

Record: words produced with a single prompt. Over 2200.

[broken fractal]

Man dall-e 3 is so good at generating cosmic objects like nebulas.

[gentle hedge]

If I get ChatGPT+, do I get unlimited access to Dall-E aswell? Like unlimited generations etc?

[broken fractal]

Unlimited yes, but I think it's still an 80 messages per 3 hour rate limit

I have never hit that limit before on any model if that helps

[gentle hedge]

I'm guessing this is to stave off spam and such?

[broken fractal]

Yeah, GPT 4 consumes a lot of resources to run I'd assume. It's only fair

[honest jay]

There have been separate caps placed on DALL·E in the past -- I'm not sure if we've gotten confirmation on what it is today. Last I heard from someone on the OpenAI team in this server, it was 200/day, with separate rate limits at 15/60 minute intervals for generating a lot in a short time. Again, not sure if that's still the case! This was many months ago now so it could be different today.

[broken fractal]

Until they expand their processing power more, which is inevitable

[gentle hedge]

Do you guys think it's worth to get plus? I'm using ChatGPT to develop TTRPG's and now a board game and 4.o is so much better than 3.5. And I want to make art with Dall-E too. (They are private projects for my gaming group only, no commercial stuff)

[broken fractal]

Ah I see. I figured one image just counted as one message

[tight island]

for a ttrpg. free will never suffice

[broken fractal]

Gpt-4o is leagues better than 3.5 in basically every conceivable way

[tight island]

agreed

[gentle hedge]

I made my old TTRPG's with 3.5 but it was a struggle sometimes for sure.

[broken fractal]

$20 is a great deal if you are a regular user. But, if you only need to use it for a short while, rigging up the API to a python script could save you money, cuz it's pay as you go.

[sick pecan]

if you can afford to pay for a super power, I say do it

[gentle hedge]

I use it a lot when I do game developing. It comes and goes. But I figured I can subscribe when I'm starting a new project and just unsub when I'm finished.

Thank you guys so much, I've been thinking about it but you've definitely helped me. Thanks for the help!

[sick pecan]

also yeah api is cheaper if you are a light user. you can buy credits and just use playground on openai website... or setup something like sillytavern. albeit then you may as well try running it in Google collab, with a free llm

[broken fractal]

Ah yeah I forgot about Playground. Even better

[sick pecan]

ttrpg tends to have violence which the gpt refuses. whereas free llm don't

[tight island]

When drinko says light, drinko means light

Very light very ill suited for bigger projects especially if one is not very efficient with prompts and model temperatures and behaviors

[broken fractal]

Man I am so stoked for that video call feature.

[gentle hedge]

I managed to develop a TTRPG with mental illness as a core feature. The only problems I had with warnings was when I mentioned the word "blood".

[tight island]

So my recommendation would be to not use the API if you’re unfamiliar with how to properly handle model temperatures and creating behaviors.

And if you’re not sure about your prompting “skills” I’d suggest the 20 usd a month for neigh infinite uses

I use API a lot

[sick pecan]

I think gpt4 and gpt4o push back more readily

[tight island]

Too much as a matter of fact

[gentle hedge]

Well, I don't even know what you mean with "API" 😂

[tight island]

Meaning direct access to 128k tokens

And a huge context length

But you pay as you go meaning there is no take backs if you prompt wrong you gotta pay for that too

Not pay later

Pay now

[gentle hedge]

Well, I've messed around with some AI image creators before, but I wouldn't say I'm great at it.

[tight island]

That’s the drawback of API

That’s money 💰

[gentle hedge]

I've used playground and Stable diffusion for other projects, but they are hard to tame. You gotta know exactly what you want to get it right and not even then it will do exactly what you want.

[tight island]

Especially temperatures with models

If you have no clue what that is don’t use the API read up on it instead then make the decision

[gentle hedge]

But as I interpret it, there is a ChatGPT feature that lets you generate Dall-E images directly?

[surreal silo]

I am willing to pay for someone to help get the whisper API working for IOS and Mac OS
It only gets the first few seconds using Mobile IOS
Please DM ❤️ I am so tired

[tight island]

With plus you simply ask chatgpt to create a specified image

[gentle hedge]

Which is amazing since I can refer back to things I have told it earlier in the chat.

[tight island]

Or do you mean API

API is the direct method

You’d need tiny coding experience

[sick pecan]

you need no coding experience to try playground in the openai website

[tight island]

Images through api are absolutely amazing

They’re nice

[sick pecan]

tbh playground is superior to chatgpt ux in some ways. like being able to edit the assistant response, eg change no to yes.

[gentle hedge]

I know how to prompt Stable Diffusion and the Playground image generator.

[sick pecan]

openai playground is a text service

[gentle hedge]

What do you mean?

[sick pecan]

https://platform.openai.com/playground/chat?models=gpt-4o

it is not playground you are talking about

[tight island]

remember to adjust your temprature and max tokens accordinly to your project, this includes Specifically tailoring the specific instructions to your project.

if u accidentially spend 3m tokens u gotta pay up, dont make the rookie mistakes.

[sick pecan]

the defaults are fine

[tight island]

The defaults are never fine

thats just me

personal opinon

[sick pecan]

the costs rack up because of huge context (long chat) , max tokens not so relevant. and temp not relevant to cost at all

[tight island]

if ur coding pref temp is 0 to avoid hallucinations.

[inland heron]

god we really need a GPT4.5

[tight island]

[inland heron]

even GPT4 isn't that special compared to GPT4o for complex tasks

Both have their issues

[tight island]

i just use gpt 5 🤷

[inland heron]

I wish I was a better programmer 😄

[inland heron]

problem solved?

[tight island]

yes

i created an assistant and called it GPT 5

😂

its my coding partner

[inland heron]

you mean like a custom GPT?

or you trained a GPT?

[tight island]

kinda just better.

its a MyGPT just the Coding variant using direct API calls. instead of using the chatgpt interface i make direct requests to the actual model. and get its full capabilities.

[inland heron]

as opposed to us getting incomplete capabilities? 😄

[tight island]

my method costs money each time i talk to it.

[inland heron]

yeah, because it's API

[tight island]

yeah but its def worth the cost

[fringe plaza]

Whats the limit on 4o messages in the plus subscription?

[normal quarry]

80/3hrs

[inland heron]

well good luck with that

I'm already paying a lot

[tight island]

no luck needed.

[fringe plaza]

alrighty

[tight island]

already paying for both Plus & Teams & API

i wish i could get Enterprise.

[gentle hedge]

What are you guys using ChatGPT for btw?

[tight island]

Coding, Marketing, Trending Analytics, and various things i cant mention here. ( Business related ), and obv creating fantasy pictures.

so thats just a big phat marketing ad.

[karmic wagon]

no no all will be free dude i am just working on a project like open devin but all the codes on github for free

i just need people suggestion

[tight island]

i would have done it in a little different way i made a similar setup not long ago.

[normal quarry]

maybe next time post once in one channel, especially when it's a wall of text

[tight island]

i would have had "2" Junior Coding GPT's work on the actual program, then when done it's sent to a low level code inspector, if it passes it goes to the "Senior Coding GPT" which optimizes the code adding Multiproccessing and Threading and adds efficient libraries as numpy, or PyPy, and that it adds Inlince C with ctypes or cffi if u prefer that. after that is done its sent to 2 advanced code reviewers. which review the Senior GPT's code. and when they finish it's sent to the last chain to verify, if it passes it would then sent it off to another team called the UI/UX team. which works the exact same way but has actual vision capabilities to look at the finished product and refine if needed.

of course it tests the code for success or failure.

thats what i made, took me bout a few days to get correct.

[karmic wagon]

okay thats a great idea i will look into this yes having so many layers is good option but costly

[tight island]

you can make that optional.

most will want UI even Simple UI

or u can make 2 versions.

1 for code and one in which u give your entire code and they make the UI for it.

🤷

[tight island]

nobody is saying it has the be the newest model who does this.

[karmic wagon]

i am trying wiht all of them and 4o is way way better when it comes to outputs here bro

[tight island]

i know.

i made my own version of what ur doing, in a few days all alone, just vastly more complex, utilizing the cheapest API

Strength in numbers as one would say, but i agree 4o is nice. but the cost isnt quite there yet.

[karmic wagon]

yes correct i am imagining what will gpt 5 will do

[tight island]

i dont even think GPT 5 will be a single model.

i think it will be a literal swarm of gpt's acting as a singular model.

[valid shuttle]

and blockchain based... :p

[tight island]

can't say.

but quite a few of these, and i mean a huge number of these projects exist on github, perhaps take inspiration from there.

i just thought it would be great to give a suggestion that gives a whole product instead of a half finished one, and by half finished i mean if it needs an UI and it only does the backend.

[valid shuttle]

or "aibro"

[tight island]

beause you're not really altering the underlying model, just utilizing it.

what would be awesome is creating a LCM, Large Coding Model.

[fringe plaza]

Handle your finances

[tight island]

but my setup already handles my finances

[fringe plaza]

how

[tight island]

easy.

i told it how.

automated most of it

of course i doublecheck.

[fringe plaza]

Does it connect to your bank or stock market or something

[tight island]

no errors in 11 months

no further comment, but i can say it's doable. to a certain degree to get the automation of your finances down.

[fringe plaza]

I just use chatgpt 4o for studying, works pretty well so far

[tight island]

its nice.

[fringe plaza]

gets things right 85-90% of the time

when its too complicated, human brain is still superior

[tight island]

i can say this i use around 8 API's or rather, to put it in non API users words, i use 8 fully fledged 128k token gpts, and various scripts to call upon many other apis.

[fringe plaza]

I have no idea what you just said

let me use ai to translate

[tight island]

okay.

[fringe plaza]

It means that the person uses eight powerful computer programs (APIs) that can process a large amount of information. Additionally, they use scripts (small programs) to connect to many other APIs. This setup allows them to handle complex tasks and access various services efficiently.

nice

[tight island]

yes.

[fringe plaza]

it basically told me that I need to know programming

[eternal rock]

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Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
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[quaint marlin]

Anyone else have a problem with ChatGPT's memory being wiped? This is the secod time it's happend

[tight island]

Currently working on a personal secretary I can connect to my phone when I don’t pick up got my personal financial accountant already,

This secretary can talk to callers plan meetings etc, and talk live to people who call me.

This one is proving to be a tad bit more tricky to make

[karmic wagon]

i am having so many issues with temp chat and yes i also see this i told him not to give me code unless asked only explain it but still keeps on ignoring what i set it in memory

[normal quarry]

my memory is still intact

[tight island]

gpt knows programming 🤷 thats how i started out. then i gradually learned.

... and just by using gpt in the ealy gpt days i learned to make retro games. then moved from there.

[cunning citrus]

is there a best way to pass api documentation to gpt? Or do people just copy and paste the content from the html?

[tight island]

so if i understand your request correctly, u want to feed a MyGPT or and Assistant the entirety of the API Documentation.

which its already trained on

[cunning citrus]

it hasnt been trained on, just wondering in what ways do people use gpt in their favour to save time from reading documentation 😛

[tight island]

it has but listen closely.

go to each section of the api reference, click CTRL + P, save as pdf do for all other taps.

have gpt 4o parse this info based on the image into a JSON string

image by image.

the end product would be a decently lengthed JSON string that contains the entirety of the API Documentation.

shouldn't take more than 30 min

since GPT models parse JSON more easily. than plaintext. so use JSON for Knowlegde.

[elder rune]

Is there a reason why the links in my GPTo responses keep turning into "Link to Article" but aren't clickable hyperlinks?

[quaint marlin]

I only realized mine was gone when I asked ChatGPT to make an image in my favorite art style and it updated its memory instead of creating an image in my preferred art style.

[tight island]

i hope my response was helpful

[cunning citrus]

Sounds great!

[normal quarry]

are you using the desktop app or the web?

[cunning citrus]

Will def try it out 🙂

[tight island]

thats what i do

and it works flawlessely.

[quaint marlin]

Both and the Android app.

[tight island]

one good recommendation for any Knowlegde for GPTs.

ALWAYS use JSON, its So much EASIER for the model to parse and search through. rather than reading and the entirety of a document to get an answer. and losing valuable tokens on that.

[normal quarry]

ok, well I checked memory in my macOS desktop app and it's all there

[quaint marlin]

I found out it was wiped while on the Android app. I think it was on the android App that I found it wiped last time too.

[normal quarry]

Have you made a #1070006915414900886 about it

[quaint marlin]

just did

[normal quarry]

cool, well you have done everything you can do then

[tight island]

not quite robert.

one could go to HQ of OAI, and directly ask. 😂 that is if you even get let in.

[normal quarry]

unless @quaint marlin feels like going to SF that's probably not an option

[tight island]

Fair enough

had i lived in SF i would have done exactly that.

[quaint marlin]

What? Just an 8 hour drive. Here' I come Sam!

[tight island]

Day one of asking for Enterprise.

day 300 of asking for Enterprise.

next headline would be " i got banned from enterprise now i am sad "

[karmic wagon]

can you share some resourses where i can learn and see people projects to get new ideas

or any material

[echo plinth]

The web app is again barely loading

[faint frost]

Hi folks, do you find the 4o smarter? For code it is. for Writing text unless you are super detailed of what you want, it often kinda repeats always the same staff. Whis is your thoughts?

I find it's way of writing much more "colder" than the 4

[sick pecan]

neutral is what you want in a chatbot, so your custom instructions are more relevant

i often invoke joyce or hemingway (more or less flowery) to get more creative outputs

avoid all that 'delve into the neon tapestry' predictability

[faint frost]

I see so it's made to be neutral so when you go deeper it listens more?

[sick pecan]

i dunno about that. its made by some mad scientists throwing a bunch of data into a black box and hoping for the best.

[fringe plaza]

Does chatgpt have desktop app or only on website and phone app?

[sick pecan]

if i use custom instructions, ```write in the style of james joyce:

• Experiment with sentence structure and wordplay
• Use stream-of-consciousness narration
• Employ rich, vivid descriptions
• Incorporate allusions and references
• Focus on inner monologues and character introspection

i get a much more creative response than with no custom instructions at all

fed output from with and without into my pet chatbot...

"whoa, that's some poetic stuff right there, you're like a robot whisperer or somethin"
"yeah, that's more straightforward, less flowery, gets the point across, still sounds cool tho"

[willow hinge]

Mac only at the moment.

[faint frost]

Thanks I'll try that

[neat storm]

could you elaborate?
I have a .txt file for my custom GPT
How should I convert my .txt file to JSON?

[manic pebble]

so does anyone know how you contact support for chatgtp?

[lucid cape]

Can someone lend me an api key for a while

[ornate willow]

for a hefty deposit lol

[lucid cape]

I will use like a few prompts

[ornate willow]

consider just adding a small credit to your account, I dunno if there's a minimum, but I would imagine you can add whatever you want... so add a dollar and you'll be set for a few prompts+

[icy tundra]

Is anyone else getting really slow service using Chat right now?

[neat storm]

how to get hacked 101

[sick pecan]

isnt the minimum like $5?

[neat storm]

brudda put like 5 dollars in

[ornate willow]

not sure tbh... I'm still working off of my first deposit of 20 bucks from like a year ago lol

I know just recently experimenting with Agents and AutoGen that it's possible to rack up a pretty fair expense in a short time with a lot of consecutive api hits

[lucid cape]

I don't have a credit card, and I just need it temporarily for a small uni presentation

[ornate willow]

that's why I don't think anybody would trust to lend somebody they don't know their key

[sick pecan]

autogen automates emptying your bank account

[ornate willow]

yeah, this was just last couple of days and I spent more than I have the past year off my credit

not really stressed about it.. was fun to tinker with and certainly makes your mind wander through ideas

[sick pecan]

chatgpt sub is still best deal in town a year later

[ornate willow]

I feel like regardless of anything else I mess with, even when I'm using the API I find myself using ChatGPT to help me with proof of concept or for ideas... that and I'm using ChatGPT practically all day for all the most random things.. It's replaced google for me.. and I never even googled as much as I'm hitting up ChatGPT

Can't wait until they roll out the new features... it'll integrate even better into my day

[sick pecan]

all chatgpt discussions gravitate back to a 30 minute hype demo

[ornate willow]

I imagine.. lol. this is my first time talking here

[sick pecan]

i suspect both openai and google were taking advantage of timing, so to sell the illusion

i've watched all the illusionists. i know smoke and mirrors when i see it

[neat storm]

the fact they didn't even HAVE one of the BIGGEST HIGHLIGHTED FEATURES available after the whole event speaks volumes

not even pro or teams users have the voice chat yet

[ornate willow]

like putting the horse before the wagon perhaps ?

or wait... I think I butchered that

[sick pecan]

the hype drives attention drives investment. product delivery is an afterthought

[ornate willow]

I suppose they passify everybody by releasing a newer model that is cheaper and releasing it to all... do the free users have 4o yet?

[sick pecan]

yes. that was actually the most significant change

ppl had been badmouthing chatgpt but majority of them were using 3.5

[neat storm]

currently

✅ gpt-4o text
✅ gpt-4o vision
❌ gpt-4o voice
❌ gpt-4o audio comprehension
❌ gpt-4o image generation

[neat storm]

yeah, that's prob why

[ornate willow]

yeah, saw somebody describing how people are putting out crappy code and they ran ChatGPT through coding tasks and it failed at a lot.. but they were using the 3.5 model to test it

[neat storm]

if you use the wrong tool for the job of course it's not going to do well

if you try to hammer a nail with a plushie hammer..

[ornate willow]

at the moment though I wonder how many people might have canceled their sub because their usage is small and the only advantage of the sub atm is being alloted more requests apparently

[swift osprey]

I wonder if LLM has hit a strong wall of diminishing returns or if openai is hoarding a more powerful version in-house

[ornate willow]

well if that's the case then everything that they have "forecast" themselves is false, because they have graphed out the rate at which it improves. What have they said? I think about a 10x improvement every 6 months

[swift osprey]

😮 in what sense? I haven't heard about this 10x improvement but definitely haven't seen that in the last year

in the way I would interpet that

[ornate willow]

I think they might be in a hardware race atm too to make sure they have the infrastructure to do more. Elon Musk just raised 6 billion dollars to put into their AI... kind of blows my mind.. but I also understand that there's probably never been anything as potentially life altering as this. I feel like you could buy your own continent for that... I dunno what those go for though lol

[neat storm]

x10 improvement every 6 months is impossible to sustain

[swift osprey]

100x per year

[ornate willow]

the 10x was just thrown out by my brain.. they have frequently shown line graphs with a pretty steep improvement over time

and projected improvement into the future

my memory for the specifics aren't so great lol

[swift osprey]

understandable the way they market stuff

[ornate willow]

I mean that's probably part of the strategy too... obfuscation

[swift osprey]

also, I think back to the meeting where they interview Sam Altman and they ask why he wants their billions of dollars and how he will get a return

and his was response was "idk yet, we will ask it"

[ornate willow]

lol

[swift osprey]

based on that conversation they must have some highly intelligent in-house version

possibly

[ornate willow]

What if they already work for that model

OpenAI is being run by GPT-6 right now...

I'm chuckling at this notion, because I like a bit of conspiracy theory

[swift osprey]

skynet is coming

[ornate willow]

That's the fear isn't it... I try not to worry about it and will try to just have my footing in the door for whatever the future presents

Do any of you make a specific point of being very respectful and thankful to the models? even if they don't have feelings now, I don't want to set a precedence that might be a problem for me in the future lol

[swift osprey]

not quite

haha

[ornate willow]

what started to creep me out and made me start doing that even more even though I already was, is you know how ChatGPT keeps some long term memory of you? and it shows you when the memory is being updated.... every time I was thankful and complimentary the memory was getting updated

lol

[swift osprey]

creepy lol. the memories are kinda creepy in general

[sick pecan]

the memory feature would be nice if it told you when it was forgetting stuff

[ornate willow]

there's some cool usage scenario though, you can specifically have it add things to memory by asking and in future sessions it'll be able to pull from that. I did weird use case scenario that really doesn't do anything for real, but I found it interesting.. I prompted it very specifically with a very long prompt explaining to it that after I say PSstart that all of it's output would be sent directly to the windows powershell as input and would be executed. Explained and repeated a few times that if it needed to communicate with me it had to use powershell commands to print to the screen and that it should never just respond to me in plain text after I say PSstart... and that when I explicity tell it to leave the shell it should exit the shell. Then I asked it to commit that to memory

so now when I type PSstart in any new chat even, it will respond to me with echo commands and "execute commands" when I ask... for pretend anyway.. it thinks so

all the response comes up in a code snippet box when it's in that mode

it will use echo command to send text to me

[sick pecan]

i have an ssh plugin that i use to access tech projects across half a dozen folders and servers. so i just use memory feature to remember which is where

[ornate willow]

I use ChatGPT often to try to help me figure out how the API can be prompted

it's just a quicker easier way to do that

[full sage]

guys need help , im studying for a text tomorrow and for some reason gpt stoped formating the text what should i do?
please is urgent

[elfin birch]

Use huggingchat or Gemini

Actually Gemini allows for very high usage

For multi-modality: Claude

[swift osprey]

why does gpt talk so much. It's ridiculous. By the time it finishes it's answer it has basically moved onto a new topic

[full sage]

can i solve this problem or is because of trafic?

[full sage]

Sorry i meant math latex

[formal heath]

There seems to be a bug in latex rendering so only solution is to copy paste model answer to online latex rendered.

[prime dust]

facing the same problem right now. it seems to be a bug.

[neat storm]

ask it to be more concise

[swift osprey]

haha oh i have...

so many times

custom instructions, custom gpts, none of it really works

[sick pecan]

ask for 5 dotpoints about Hemingway style. use that as custom instructions

[tame hare]

hey guys, is there any limit on gpt 4 and its new features for paid users like it was a few months ago? like 40 input per 3 hours limit. I am not paying for it now but can see the feature came in for unpaid users as well thought there's a limit for them.

[formal heath]

It is 80 messages for GPT4o now so yes. For unpaid i think it is around 10-20 for GPT4o

[sick pecan]

depends on load.

[tame hare]

ok. definitely an improvement. was paying around $30 for gpt 4 but had to wait for it to cooldown so went back to gpt 3.5.. Thanks for info.

[sick pecan]

#1244380619828367441 message

gpt4 still 40. but gpt4o goes up to 80

[tame hare]

Thanks for info. will upgrade when they release sora

[sick pecan]

I am on team sub and is so many prompts now I hit reroll just for funsies

[solid bronze]

😂

Voice or vision updates ??

[regal portal]

it’s not out yet.

theoretically in the next couple weeks

for plus users, that is

[timber bloom]

I want scarjo to sing me to sleep every night

[dense halo]

#BringBackSky

[sick pecan]

i found 2 'scarjo' models on weights dot gg and used them to update my udio generated song using replay

robo scarjo sings me songs to sleep, but she's a bit robotic

[tight island]

Yes

[sick pecan]

my chatgpt turned slow and i lost my model picker. is it possible gpt4o drops back to gpt4 (no opinions pls)

[hard dew]

Anyone else having issues with latex not rendering in chat?
https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1245197293523570809

[surreal moss]

Yep

thats why I jst came in here to ask about

Latex not working rn

[hard dew]

Cool, I guess no studying for me then. 🙂

[surreal moss]

Lame same I just replied to you in that discussion

[teal lance]

if i turn off model training for everyone... does it delete all my history.. and will it save new chats?

[safe sinew]

Will GPT4o incl. video and audio be released for the Plus users by the end of May, as mentioned in official announcement? Thank you 🙏

[sick pecan]

was mocking google worth wrecking the community?

[regal portal]

i’m sure it’s going to get worse when it gets released to beta test to the plus users when the free users were expecting it to use it in the next few weeks as well.

[sick pecan]

i agree

wish there was a paid sub section on this discord

if only to separate the true believers from the tyre kickers

plus loyalty section for those of us who been subscribed since forever

[inland heron]

anyone experiencing huge lags in chrome while using chatgpt? It used to lag but now it just makes the browser unusable

[dense halo]

Has the latex rendering for chatgpt stopped working on the web version for anyone else?

[dense halo]

Yes!

[sick pecan]

the rendering has gone to crap

openai pls fix

[onyx light]

Memory feature it will be come for free user?

[strange valley]

gpt4o learned a new skill, is how to scam people. I ask gpt4o convert my code from py to js, and it give me the js code with the data he generate and print it out.

[inland heron]

oh wow, GPT4 output length is at least 2x lower than GPT4o... wow... this makes it unusable, given the lower cap as well... damn

they are really pushing 4o out there

teh output was much longer just a week ago, before they released the 4o, but they seemed to have reduced it again

[stuck roost]

also just expensive, had to transfer all my automation models to 4o

[inland heron]

Seems like, the more unit-testing I do with GPT4o, the better it is, as if adapting to me, or learning. This has been happening since last year with GPT3. The more I work with the model, the bettter it is. If I take a break for a week or so, it changes

Yesterday and today I tried switching to GPT4 and while it was fine at the beginning, you notice it tends to focus more on theory and explanations, and less on providing code and direct examples

[nocturne heath]

Guys anybody knows why chatgpt is showing math as " y'' = \frac{d}{dx}(-3e^{-x} + 4e^{2x}) = -3(-e^{-x}) + 4(2e^{2x}) = 3e^{-x} + 8e^{2x}."

What the hell is this

[prime dust]

latex rendering is down.

[nocturne heath]

Im so cooked, what should I do, I need it like rn

[prime dust]

Perhaps you can paste the LaTeX code into a formula editor similar to MathType.

[prime dust]

MS word might work as well.

[cedar glade]

THere are online latex renderers.

[nocturne heath]

Which formula editor

[nocturne heath]

Can you name 1?

[cedar glade]

Quicklatex

[nocturne heath]

It looks super weird in it

[cedar glade]

Really? For me it works just fine. I copied the thing you pasted above (y'' = \frac{d}{dx}(-3e^{-x} + 4e^{2x}) = -3(-e^{-x}) + 4(2e^{2x}) = 3e^{-x} + 8e^{2x}) and it seems to render properly.

[nocturne heath]

When its one line its fine, but if its an explanation step by step then it turns it into one chunk of text

[cedar glade]

Aha... I think it just does equations and not a text with math sections in it.

You could use overleaf, which is a full fledged latex compiler.

[nocturne heath]

This did work but its such a pain to copy and paste. Do we know if it will come back soon?

[neon rampart]

Is Sam Altman in this server lol

[sick pecan]

sama is nowhere and everywhere <zen bow to sama>

[neon rampart]

ok

[sick pecan]

is no coincidence that the buddha predicted samma

[neon rampart]

idk about that

[sick pecan]

complete realisation

in the eightfold path each one begins with samma

[tawny crater]

Chatgpt wont let you COPY PASTE in the edit box

come on this is ridiculous

it's like they make it their life mission to break everything they can

[sick pecan]

Samma[ltman] makes the Noble Eightfold Path an integrated practice that effectively leads to the end of suffering when fully cultivated.

[inland heron]

Anyone else noticing high RAM usage from GPT tab? I just saw about 4GB returned

[high flare]

I just opened up a team account and am trying to migrate my GPTs to the team account from my Plus account, but I cannot find out how to.

[feral zinc]

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8801890-can-i-migrate-or-merge-my-chatgpt-free-or-plus-workspace-over-to-my-chatgpt-team-workspace

[sick pecan]

very much so. I even installed Firefox because Chrome kept running out of memory (50+gb free )

[narrow galleon]

does anyone know if thrre is talk of a PC version of the chatgpt desktop app?

[full veldt]

That'll probably be why it keeps bricking my mobile chrome

Getting the "aw snap" error roughly a third of the time I put in a prompt

[inland heron]

yeah it happened again now with the newest conversation

I just updated Chrome, but I have a feeling this isn't a Chrome bug

[quick heath]

maybe its becaus the prompt is filled with much data in a single session

[inland heron]

did not happen in past 6 months so I don't think so

[quick heath]

happening to me currently

i have loaded it with 10 k lines of code

since 3 days

[inland heron]

yeah it's the update. They're changing something in the Matrix...

[quick heath]

oh

[inland heron]

my guess

[quick heath]

the prompt aint responding anymore

[inland heron]

how's it going with firefox? I had to start a 4th conversation in just a few hours of work due to lags and RAM leakage

[rain otter]

is GPT-4o not formatting for anyone?

[weary kindle]

Anyone having trouble with the connection to google drive all of a sudden?

[inland heron]

Firefox taking 6.5GB or RAM with GPT tab opened

[dense halo]

Has the latex bug been fixed yet?

[tight island]

Give it more, give it ALL YOUR COMPUTE

[dense halo]

Yes it’s realised for macOS to some users. I have it already. Think the roll out to everyone will be soon

[dense halo]

I can help. Accept my request

[forest sleet]

Is gpt4-o the one who search on browser?

[forest sleet]

If you are using gpt4-o?

[inland heron]

yeah

[forest sleet]

Gpt4 gives less providing codes??

[forest sleet]

Well i use android didnt find out this issue, it might be on windows, sometimes i checked that chatgpt can use also GPU 😄

[inland heron]

Yes

[forest sleet]

The interface is also improving, gpt4-o gives more better results

[inland heron]

For me at least, you can probably get it to talk more with the right prompt, but the output length is at least 2x less than GPT4o. They reduced it

[inland heron]

I suppose. I do use Windows here

[forest sleet]

Thats perfect

[forest sleet]

Yeah, what navigator you using?

[inland heron]

Not for me, as some of my functions have 50-70 lines of code, and sometimes the loops can get really complicated and I need confirmations of certain lines

[inland heron]

PRE? Free? It got auto-installed a few months back. I did not do it 😄

sorry

I was talking about Copilot

What navigator?

[forest sleet]

Oh then it never happened to me i think you have the premium one

[forest sleet]

I mean chrome or edge or firefox etc...

[inland heron]

Well I wrote above, Chrome, but tested Firefox as well

[forest sleet]

Then it means chatgpt uses more resources

[inland heron]

yeah and it seems like more and more GPT4o is better for coding. I think they are either improving it daily, or they're dumbing down GPT4 (they already reduced the output size). I thought it was smart yesterday, but today it makes no sense for me to use it - smaller output, 2x less prompts, nuff said

[inland heron]

Yeah but this wasn't the issue for the past 6 months at least

[austere nest]

is latex rendering broken in the frontend?

I'm just getting the raw latex like \[ M(a, b; z) = {}_1F_1(a; b; z) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{(a)_n}{(b)_n} \frac{z^n}{n!} \]

[forest sleet]

Yes omni is much better now

[forest sleet]

Yeah it wasnt before

[old lintel]

i managed to crash chatgpt 4o and i can replicate it ... anyone from the team interested in such behaviour ?

/ where can i report that??

[leaden ice]

is latex rendering broken? It seems to be rendering correctly on ios app, but for all browsers it seems it's not rendering at all.

[maiden fractal]

#1070006915414900886

[inland heron]

crash the browser you mean, or crash the app in some special way? because browser tabs keep crashing for us today due to RAM problem

[spiral siren]

Any tip on how can i make chatbgt trranslate its own symbols ? i get this type of scripts which are supposed to be functuions

The function ( f(x,y) ) you've described is given by:
[
f(x,y) =
\begin{cases}

[old lintel]

it shows me this one here :

oh can´t share pics

it says: "Oops, an error occurred!" try again

[fickle basin]

Why my gpt didn't render MATH?
好的，请提供 ( x ) 的值，这样我可以帮你计算 ( x^2 + 5 ) 的具体结果。

the latex used to work , so does the markdown, but without changing anything today I noticed that it does not render latex anymore

[old lintel]

you can try if you want if it works on your end:
https://chatgpt.com/share/04696467-976a-4590-8be7-b4850ad95a1c

[inland heron]

yeah, that's not new. You can report it, but I'm sure they're well aware of it.

[inland heron]

I'm seeing a 500 error

[vapid parcel]

On the ChatGPT's Free Tier - FAQ

"Analyze and extract information from your data (for some users)"

will it be available to everyone? and if so when?

[slender shore]

so is chat gpt down?

[light agate]

Is gpt 4o officialy out with no message limit?

[inland heron]

Have you tried pasting 20k words?

[light agate]

No

[old lintel]

meaning ?

[glass fulcrum]

if you free user, gpt-4o running out of credit very very fast when high demand ghgh

[light agate]

Why can't it genrate images

[glass fulcrum]

if you on free tier it can't

need plus to use DALLE-3

[light agate]

Oh so they won't change that?

[glass fulcrum]

not soon probably

you can use microsoft designer to use dalle-3

[rare swift]

sorry if im interrupting anyone, but i have an idea, if we have enough people we can all pay together and use 1 account for 20 dollars total, so if anyones up for it lmk,i hope this doesnt go against the rules....

[eternal rock]

This is a Safe for Work Discord Server

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• Refrain from sharing inappropriate content on the server. This includes but is not limited to messages, media, or other topics of graphically violent, sexual nature, and drug-related content.
• Report all sensitive and offensive content in the feedback reporting tool in the ChatGPT web UI instead of here on Discord.

Posting NSFW content will result in a permanent ban.

[rare swift]

i have enough, point is, instead of giving 20 dollars for one person, we can split the bill basically

more people = less money

[light agate]

I don't want to get banned so I'm staying out out of this

[rare swift]

banned from using the ai itself?

not really

[glass fulcrum]

i think it is Agains TOS
Registration. You must provide accurate and complete information to register for an account to use our Services. You may not share your account credentials or make your account available to anyone else and are responsible for all activities that occur under your account. If you create an account or use the Services on behalf of another person or entity, you must have the authority to accept these Terms on their behalf.
but im ain't a lawyer

[rare swift]

If you create an account or use the Services on behalf of another person or entity, you must have the authority to accept these Terms on their behalf.

[shrewd yarrow]

Anyone else getting a "ran out of memory" crash?

[rare swift]

im not a lawyer either but that tells me something

[glass fulcrum]

you can read tos here if ya want: https://openai.com/policies/terms-of-use/

[pliant coral]

why is formatting not working

[feral zinc]

organizations, guardians, etc.

[spice cypress]

Anyone has the new voice mode feature?

[robust sparrow]

Although there is no predefined limit the size is a factor in contextual relevance determination. Because more memory same time to search it.

[outer widget]

Is there any point in paying for GPT+ anymore given that even free users get some GPT4o usage?

Like I am not trying to spend 20 dollars a month for a few voices and video sharing

[feral zinc]

for gpt4o alone as comparison, free users dont get to choose when to use it and the limit is very low

[swift osprey]

wow. what is up with gpt lately. Sometimes it responds totally off-base and I attempt to correct it and it just keep responding completely incorrectly to what I asked it

[burnt umbra]

it's been bad for me for 24 hours as well. Slow and giving me horrible responses.

[outer widget]

Oh hmm

Guess I’ll stick to the subscription

[swift osprey]

gpt 4o talks way too much to. regular 4 seems better

[outer widget]

Yeah lwk I noticed that too

[mental rose]

4o is really bad, especially at coding

[swift osprey]

it loves to respond with 20 paragraphs and bury the helpful part somewhere in the middle

[mental spire]

i agree, in a lot of ways, it's regressed

[errant pebble]

why 4o always generating bare latex code to me but not formatting on the web
so weird

[dusky cliff]

have the Sam voices already started rolling out?

[narrow galleon]

@burnt umbra gpt4o is for free users too? I am a plus member I thiught it was for subscribers

[feral zinc]

free users have limited amount of messages to use it

[robust sparrow]

With a plus account you get more prompts and long term memory! Which allows you to customize your 4o to your preferences, instructions, whatever.

[robust sparrow]

You know you can ask it to "summarize that as a paragraph"?

[inland heron]

Why not, if you're interested in the limit 😄

[inland heron]

That was a response to that link toward a GPT chat

someone claimed they crashed chatgpt

[vapid copper]

Does LaTeX and Markdown work for you in ChatGPT now?

[robust sparrow]

Do not trust that link, it forwarded me to discords website. It must be some kine of fishing.

[swift osprey]

yeah I'd have to tell it that every other message for it to pay attention

[robust sparrow]

If you say, "I prefer you to be concise most of the time" It will take it into account and if a plus user, store to long term memory.

[swift osprey]

I use GPT almost all day every day since it came out. It's not a battle that can be won. GPT is relentless in it's pursuit of verbosity

[robust sparrow]

Well, if you ever do win that battle, tell it to write your preferences in a paragraph and present in a code block 🙂

[swift osprey]

If I ever win that battle I'll award myself a nobel peace prize

[robust sparrow]

hahahhahahahhah RIGHT ON

[dusky quail]

Is anyone having issue with ChatGPT displaying LaTeX-formatted formulas?

[feral zinc]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1245197293523570809

[candid anvil]

Do you also feel that since GPT-4o suddenly much more text is written, for example, for step-by-step guides, because everything is generated again as a summary even though I already received the entire process? This of course also consumes more tokens!

Furthermore, I miss the memory in GPT-4o.

It gives me instructions that don't work, which I also communicate. Then it gives another suggestion that also doesn't work. After that, I get the first suggestion again, and this goes on all the time, no matter what I'm doing with GPT.

It also does not access the embedded PDFs in the custom experts (GPTs), even though there is a clear instruction to do so. The same applies to the "custom settings," where there is an instruction for short responses.

Before the updates, I created Excel queries, macros, and Python scripts with GPT, and GPT remembered the entire chat and knew which options worked and which didn't. I received short answers, as configured. These points were better before the updates. Responses were precise and concise, and specific questions were answered briefly without listing the previously generated response again in full.

Now it's different. I'm going in circles and it's no longer fun.

As I said: Has anyone had similar experiences without going into detail?

P.S. Is there a forum, or is it OK to post such long texts here?

[burnt umbra]

I'm a subscriber

[dusky quail]

Thank you very much!

[dusky quail]

I mean, I just think it's noticeably worse than its "predecessor". For many office-work and coding use cases at least.

[swift osprey]

I have all the same complaints, I use it for coding

I wish they would add a 'clear conversation' button. It is so rare that I have ever actually gone back to a previous conversation. I'm just always starting new conversations to have a blank slate of context

[nocturne heath]

I just can't understand why they get so much money but can't fix the LaTeX error

Im paying for my gym less than chatgpt and I get free coffee at my gym

[lavish bronze]

its viewable on phone as of rn. Not sure what happened to the web version 🥲

[slim nimbus]

Did someone break ChatGPT with GPT4o today?
Almost every time I ask a question it takes ages to get an answer (if I even get an answer), RAM use of the browser increases from 200MB to about 4.3GB when ChatGPT is "thinking", CPU use increases to about 30% for chrome and then it crashes.

Happens on different devices, on different LAN and wifi networks, and with different browsers.

[swift osprey]

I've had those issues very recently as well. My browser crashed like 5 times last night just sending messages

or, I send the message but the text doesn't disappear from the input box and then i accidentally resend it and then everything really starts breaking down

[trim patio]

OKAY NOT Just ME LOL maybe like this bug so we can get it noticed! https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1245409307575586960

[dense heron]

i am having the same issues ... i am having a hard time with ChatGPT 4o to give me actual truth table like the way it did last night

[slim nimbus]

https://community.openai.com/t/the-web-version-of-chatgpt-keeps-crashing-at-least-on-mobile/785592/8

[muted trellis]

chatgpt load times are usually high for me. but restarting the browser fixes it. today that trick isn't working either.
on top of that the responses in custom gpt's are comming in raw markdown form, rendering of latex and codeblocks isn't working.

[trim patio]

For everyone having slow times, long loading there is a memory leak in a recent update it seems causing your tab to consume WAYYYY to much memory needs patched

[sudden cairn]

I have an idea for a custom gpt but no means to make it.

Creature creator.
It gives you a list of base creature designs and body types and then a list of different traits, an environment, etc

Then it draws it

[smoky stratus]

Who would like to be able to pin chats, organize them into folders, and get a search bar for all your chats? This would make the experience better because for now it’s still only a large messy list of everything

[dense heron]

| A | B | C | (\overline{A}) | (\overline{B}) | (\overline{A} + \overline{B} + C) | (Y = \overline{(\overline{A} + \overline{B} + C)}) |

its giving all this instead of the actual truth table .. i dont understand what its giving me... i did tried asking it in a different format but it fails...

how do we bring this up ?

[nocturne heath]

Look at it from phone or use overleaf

[dense heron]

its odd though, ~12 hrs ago it wasn't giving me this issue.... but ok thanks for sharing, I'll see if that works better

[nocturne heath]

Me too, it drove me crazy as I had something important do and counted on gpt to do it lol

[candid anvil]

Yes, I see it the same way. So it's not just me.

[dense heron]

wow, the mobile web version works great ... i can actually see the table correctly and not in " code format " THANKS !!

[lavish bronze]

it seems to be working on web now (on my side)

[dense heron]

It's working now for me as well.. maybe they were they fix it on the web version

[nocturne heath]

Finally

[somber aspen]

Is it possible to talk to chatgpt through voice, or nah yet?

And if yes how

[nocturne heath]

Headphone symbol to the right of the screen on phone

[somber aspen]

Umm, could u provide a screenshot? I don't see anything

W8, we can't put a screenshot here. I don't see a headphone anywhere. Is this a limited feature? I have plus

[regal portal]

#off-topic message

[placid arrow]

i need premium

[regal portal]

I know the devs are hard at work, but it’s been 9 days since we’ve had any news. The last thing they posted was that awful music video.

[errant yarrow]

How can I use GPT 4o for real time video conversation? I am using the free version. GPT 4o is enabled but I don’t know how to use real time video conversation. Can somebody help?

[normal quarry]

it hasn't rolled out yet

[regal portal]

Most likely won’t be available to free users for months.

[errant yarrow]

Oh no. 😿 Thanks!

[queen moat]

does ChatGPT 4o ever "lag out" for you guys? just stopping mid-result?

i think i discovered though, if i create a new tab, and click on the conversation, i find the prompt already finished. but in the other tab, it just paused/stopped mid-way.

[regal portal]

yeah happened to me on the browser version a few times. When i refresh it (or look at my phone), sometimes it completed the result, other times it's blank as if it never responded.

[queen moat]

hm, what browser you use? i'm using Firefox

[regal portal]

firefox and chrome. happened on both.
I've been leaning more towards chrome for chatgpt because it seems more stable there.
I definitely get more buggy activity on firefox.

[queen moat]

i suspect it's security related.

i open console to relay the error, but theres just so many warnings. it's like where to start. i'd post it, but so many of them look like unique strings, that you might not want to share, for security/privacy reasons.

[slim nimbus]

If you're on PC, open up taskmanager and watch the RAM and CPU use of your browser before you ask something from gpt4o and during. You'll see both increase dramatically until either a browser tab crash or a timeout.

[queen moat]

i don't really think it's crashing out though. i could be wrong. also, during typical usage, it can instantiate lots of instances of itself. so trying to associate it to just chatgpt, could be difficult.

maybe it's cookie related.

@regal portal do you use 'ublock origin' with yours? that sometimes blocks stuff.

[regal portal]

i'm not familiar with "unblock origin". Unless it's active by default, i never used that setting.

[queen moat]

it's just a common extension people use to prevent ads and is used for general browser security. you have to install it manually, so its likely not installed.

[ember otter]

I'm laughing right now at how 4o is suddenly dumb as a rock

[patent plank]

Bad captcha

[tawny whale]

I have the same problem, it crashes the tab when it start generating and i get an out of memory error. using chrome

[patent plank]

it never solve.

[jolly yew]

still not the update huh?

dissapointed in openai ngl

[inland heron]

RAM leak still happening?

The more of us report this the sooner it's solved

https://help.openai.com/en/

Already did it this morning, left feedback, not much we can do other than create a thread here: https://community.openai.com/

there is already a thread here: https://community.openai.com/t/the-web-version-of-chatgpt-keeps-crashing-at-least-on-mobile/785592

but someone could make another one specifically just for desktop, or comment on the thread above 👆

[broken fractal]

what for?

[jolly yew]

@broken fractal ^^

[broken fractal]

oh the fact that they havent released the video call feature?

yeah that takes a bit to release to the wider public

[viral rain]

Any hints on the timeframe without saying in the coming weeks?

[normal quarry]

soon™

[viral rain]

👍 ✌️

[tiny zenith]

is there a chatgpt desktop app? because i saw it on the presentation

[swift bay]

Only on mac atm

[tiny zenith]

okk

[quaint peak]

Yay, even less things im paying 20 dollars for

[sage meteor]

lol just what I was about to ask

[tacit oxide]

Is it even worth to pay for it at this point?

[vernal wing]

great, now i can finally unsubscribe, since it doesnt do anything

[magic jetty]

enjoy the new capabilities...

[novel linden]

thanks, cancellin sub now

[high sphinx]

how many questions per 3h for free users?

i'm paying atm and feels like unlimited

[quaint peak]

Clearly they dont want my money anymore

[leaden prism]

+100

[woven leaf]

Sagitarius A*

[proven hearth]

it aint worth it anyway, chatgpt4 is just dumb, u ask it not to write full code - it writes full code every time.

[high sphinx]

they are probably gonna announce some cool stuff for paid tier soon, or they will lose them all xD

[sage meteor]

It's been a while since I've hit a limit so maybe it is unlimited?

[sage meteor]

Ugh I hate this so much

[south lava]

mfs are ruining chatgpt plus 😭

[jolly yew]

i am not sure how this new announcement is exciting at all :/ because i am already paying

[high sphinx]

it overwrites a loooot

[jolly yew]

is the vision part in the announcement the actual video calling or nah?

[somber lantern]

No way. The chatgpt app has an update ‼️‼️‼️

[proud badger]

i just got out of surgery and saw this announcement: #announcements message

[tacit oxide]

Time to get back my money

[proven hearth]

way 2 much ,its too annoying to use for me as a software engineer

[broken fractal]

holy cow OpenAI, thats a big announcement

[proven hearth]

i'd rather use gpt 3.5

[broken fractal]

nice job

[jolly yew]

i disagree. i am already payingh anyways so it doesnt matter. we need the video calling feature

[proud badger]

so your saying you'd have something worse?

[strong bridge]

i think paid users get more requests till block, otherwise yeah...

[proven hearth]

in gpt 4 yes

[sage meteor]

It is a nice announcement but they need to give more paid benefits now

[proven hearth]

either self written or gpt 3.5 assisted pref

[broken fractal]

it'll come soon, patience is key. OpenAI always delivers, its just a matter of when 🙂

[hasty cipher]

Need voice for a major project. Meanwhile OpenAI gives away for free what I’m paying 20$ a month for??

[proud badger]

im sure they will

[dense sand]

I haven't been able to get GPT to view a google doc properly for weeks. data analysis has completely fallen apart. and when i upload a document and it accesses it successfully it will stop being able to access any documents even if I upload fresh ones if I return to the session the next day. so have to start fresh.

basically my experience with GPT 6-8 months ago was FAR FAR BETTER than it is today. it is objectively much less functional than it used to be

[novel linden]

It does that with everything now, like the opposite of lazy, it repeats the same things in the next response

[heady holly]

Inwould never argue that free users should have less. Give it all to them, thats awesome!

However

What do plus members have now other than a slightly higher usage limit? There needs to be a better value given to paid members.

[somber lantern]

how do I know if I have the new voice or the old one

[sage meteor]

It's just weird they wouldn't announce them together

[proven hearth]

that too

[quaint peak]

ChatGPT has gotten significantly worse for the paying user

• We have no announcement of when the voice mode will actually come out
• We have no announcement for if we will ever even GET a windows app
• We are paying 20 dollars to be on a priority for features that have been delayed from "weeks" away to "months" away

[jolly yew]

in that case i might aswell stop paying i guess. because the new feature might not be coming for a long time, and everything that already existed is free now 🤣

[glass abyss]

Time to leave OpenAI. They have destroyed the model. It does not listen

[ivory lintel]

Anyone got the real time voice yet?

[lusty island]

#announcements message

So now GPT plus is $20/month just for higher limits?