chatgpt-discussions

[maiden fractal]

#announcements

[warm gull]

no ones knows - speculation

unless someone has tried it

[foggy magnet]

common sense, that's only 10 more per person

[lime depot]

hey, i can't see the store yet - im a premium user - is that normal?

[plucky timber]

You know whats great too, the link to /chatgpt/team that they link to in the announcements article doesnt work either

[foggy magnet]

I mean, if OpenAI wants to be that dumb, sure, but I doubt it.

[plucky timber]

Really aimed at fomo buyers lol

[nova fable]

You cant see https://chat.openai.com/gpts ?

[lime depot]

no

[reef cloak]

well then it's only for some people cuz it's not on my thing it didn't update for me so it's probably only for certain users like they always do

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[lime depot]

just looks like my normal explore page

[nova fable]

Hmm weird

[maiden fractal]

They started to roll out

[lime depot]

Gotcha

Thanks!

[plucky timber]

When fix : #off-topic message

[maiden fractal]

Soon ™️

[vagrant ginkgo]

I bought teams don’t see anything on limits

[plucky timber]

XD

[vagrant ginkgo]

So

[ionic geyser]

Why couldn't they just make it fair, so any individual can pay a little extra and get some privacy?

[plucky timber]

EU lawyers rubbing hands :kek:

[vagrant ginkgo]

I mean I would pay 60 bucks for myself for increased usage

[plucky timber]

But yeah no cant buy without any clarification upfront what i am buying

(Comes from an user with a NFT picture lmao)

[reef cloak]

I'm also a premium user and I can't see the story yet. I think it's normal because they normally roll it out for only some people and for the people that have it, please tell us what is the new payment method.

[maiden fractal]

You can with api

[vagrant ginkgo]

Ya but 5 dollars more for me and 1 other family member to use if we both pay is pretty incredible for increased usage

[maiden fractal]

600$/ year

[ionic geyser]

If you have that family member that uses ChatGPT...

[zinc valley]

or 30 a month

[vagrant ginkgo]

You can pay per month

[zinc valley]

gonna try to convince my boss to get. it

[vagrant ginkgo]

I mean I don’t see why no one wouldn’t use some sort of LLM

Especially ChatGPT

[maiden fractal]

Not for team

[vagrant ginkgo]

I just did it

[reef cloak]

I don't know if this discussion is about it, but if you all are talking about GPT+, yes, I would say it's pretty worth it.

[ionic geyser]

i agree, yet nobody in my family uses it... and barely any friends...

[maiden fractal]

#off-topic

*priced billed annually minimum 2 users

[bold fossil]

GPT+ is worth it for the resume building alone

[ionic geyser]

It's either $25/mo annually or regular $30/mo

[plucky timber]

User switching can be done on the same device?

[maiden fractal]

Hmm that might be true

[vagrant ginkgo]

I just posted it in off topic

[maiden fractal]

Ok so if I understand you have a 5$ off if you pay per year instead of monthly?

[reef cloak]

Goddamn, why does OpenAI do this of releasing something for only a few users?

[maiden fractal]

They can't do every user st once it will be massive crash

[nova fable]

Possibly so their entire system doesnt get overburdened and go down for everyone

[plucky timber]

"GPT-4 access*
Plus : Standard
Team Expanded
"

Someone teach them numbers

[vagrant ginkgo]

Do they really need to ahahaha I’m still gonna pay for it😂

[plucky timber]

Yeah lmao I need to knwo what im buying no

Increased : adds 2 messages to the limit

😂

[foggy magnet]

turn off chat history or use API?

[ionic geyser]

maybe i shold just unsub at this point, been thinking for a while

[ionic geyser]

no

[foggy magnet]

so they gave you options, you choose to not use them, then you complain that the options you want are attached to a different business plan?

You could even download the chat's actively and store them locally

[ionic geyser]

not everyone can afford that

some people just want to pay a fair price for a product

[foggy magnet]

Afford what? To use the API or turn off chat history? To run a script to copy your chats and save them?

[ionic geyser]

without having to get their friends/family to buy in also

the upgraded plan

i dont want the API, and i want chat history (obviously). 🤦🏻‍♂️

[foggy magnet]

You're not being sincere. You want privacy mode on the plus chat. This has nothing to do with fairness.

[opaque monolith]

Hello there

[foggy magnet]

You can have privacy right now, but it's not in the format you want.

That's the issue.

[ionic geyser]

correct and i dont think im alone...

[vagrant ginkgo]

It’s 100m/ 3h

Just found it

[tight island]

[rose glade]

what does this mean? I still have privacy on the plus chat?

[loud sierra]

I really wish they upgrade of individual plan did not require 2 or more users. Yes team might mean more then 1 person, but for small developer studios, where there is literally just 1 person doing it all, it could be benefited that studio in a number of ways. Having small studios still being stuck to an individual plan, is disappointing, and really impacts a possiable additional revenue stream , openAI could have, by opening the Teams Plan to individual based studios. Any chances to get the Team Plan to allow for individuals versus 2 or more?

[foggy magnet]

per person or team?!

[tight island]

u can be a single person team

[ionic geyser]

See rock? everyone's complaining about the same thing.

[vagrant ginkgo]

Can’t confirm but found that I’ll post in off topic

[eternal rock]

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[maiden fractal]

Do you have a screenshot. Sorry for all question trying to gather everything

[rose glade]

are all gpt chats now shared on normal chatgpt plus?

[loud sierra]

• Price billed annually, minimum 2 users thats what i am bothered about i am a single person company

[bold fossil]

The privacy and security thing is worty the price imho, if they can get thr thing better at math

[rose glade]

enterprise might benefit you better

[reef cloak]

If GPT Store turns out to be another subscription service, I really would love to pay for it, but I'm Brazilian and only GPT Plus is like 100 bucks a month, so I hope that it isn't a subscription.

[tardy girder]

Whats the message cap on the Team?

[tight island]

well u can always bring others in should u need a tester. or another dev that has your vision.

[rose glade]

awaiting confirmation, so far I have asked 712 people

[vagrant ginkgo]

I posted in off topic

[loud sierra]

i mean fair, but was hoping for individual

[toxic flax]

oh I thought the GPT store would be money store but all is free and well

[bold fossil]

Same as gpt+ : whenever it feels like curring us off

[tawny crater]

100 per each person

[thorn lily]

Still can't view GPTs marketplace, is this only open to certain GPT+ users?

[bold fossil]

The message cap is a lie anyways

[tight island]

true i wont complain

[tardy girder]

it says its higher

[tardy girder]

nice

[sleek swift]

slow rollout?

[plucky timber]

Confirmed or?

[thorn lily]

41 instead of 40 lol

[foggy magnet]

100 per person is nice af

[vagrant ginkgo]

Yep

[loud sierra]

i think so, since i dont have access to the store yet either

[bold fossil]

We all know that 40 us actually 25-30 most of the time

[tawny crater]

Confirmed. 100 per each person every 3 hours

[thorn lily]

yep

[plucky timber]

Can someone post a screenshot of the new limits in off topic since OpenAI only wants to say "Expanded"

[warm gull]

proof ?

[maiden fractal]

He posted in #off-topic

[vagrant ginkgo]

I did

[tawny crater]

It says it when you are about to purchase go check yourself lol.

[plucky timber]

Thanks!

[plucky timber]

Is that per "Seat" or per team?

[vagrant ginkgo]

I would assume

[thorn lily]

if gpt+ team didnt have a minimum of 2 users it'd be great (solo owned business owner here)

[warm gull]

k thx

[tawny crater]

For the last time per person on your team.

[plucky timber]

Can you switch on the same device?

[floral echo]

Is Enterprise and Team a different thing

[tawny crater]

If it was per team it would defeat the purpose

[vagrant ginkgo]

60 bucks is pretty good just have to pay for 2 seats

[sleek swift]

sadly it is 2 account minimum, going to stick with plus for now, once I find it worth getting the extra messages I will switch

[bold fossil]

Youll be saying this again, dont lie to yourself

[plucky timber]

You never know lmao

[slender star]

ChatGPT PLUS vs Team for one user?

[sleek swift]

also having github copilot means that I can also give it there a bunch of more tech related prompts

[tawny crater]

Team is 2 users minimum

[foggy magnet]

This is cap. The checkout page is a standard pricing page. The more info page just says this:

Flexible plan

USD $30

per person/month

Price billed monthly
Add or remove users as needed
The minimum monthly bill is for 2 users, USD $60/month

Annual plan

USD $25 $30

per person/month

Annual price billed annually
Add users as needed, remove users only when you renew the contract
The minimum bill is for 2 users, USD $50/month billed annually

The only way to know rn is to buy it. If you can prove me wrong copy/paste the text where it says the msg cap before paying for Teams.

[crisp cairn]

i am also a single person, would upgrade to have larger context size, but not with 2 person min...

[plucky timber]

@vagrant ginkgo posted a screenie of the 100 msgs cap

[foggy magnet]

lets gooo

which chat

[plucky timber]

in #off-topic

[thorn lily]

paid to have my data trained on, nice

[foggy magnet]

Nice!

[foggy magnet]

you can opt-out

[tawny crater]

I don't need to show you anything. I am not a mod, I do not work for OpenAI, nor am I even talking to you. YOU are the one asking me questions, please stop harassing me before I block you.

[crisp cairn]

and lose chat history...

[thorn lily]

and loose all the features of gpt

[warm gull]

so you need to spend 60usd per month, and for that you basically get 200 msg every 3 hrs if you buy it for yourself and a "sudo" team member

[plucky timber]

People ask due to the lack of info from OAI , sorry for asking 🙂

[plucky timber]

Thats what I was wondering I guess you need to make a 2nd account

[foggy magnet]

Well she's spreading misinfo, that's why I respond. It's not harassment to ask for honest intel on something that costs money. The cap changes are not present anywhere on checkout pages.

[warm gull]

but that account can be a 2nd "you" no ?

[plucky timber]

Yeah all i could find was "Expanded"

[tawny crater]

Yes

[plucky timber]

So I am happy people found out lol

[foggy magnet]

Exactly. Luckily @vagrant ginkgo did us a solid

[plucky timber]

Just a shame you gotta buy to see

[foggy magnet]

100 per person is nice af though

[vagrant ginkgo]

I use this for work so 100% worth it for me I would pay much more lol

[tawny crater]

I am not spreading misinformation, I was talking to someone asking about pricing. In terms of message caps, a mod already stated someone posted it in #off-topic

[foggy magnet]

Same.

[warm gull]

unles he is very good at photoshop - lol

just wonder why OAI would not disclose the cap

[candid condor]

Does disabling history and data training now also only allows me to use GPT3.5? I could use GPT4 like yesterday

Does anyone know if there's been a change?

[vagrant ginkgo]

I am not I can confirm

[foggy magnet]

It says it when you are about to purchase go check yourself lol.

Someone asked you for proof, you said something that wasn't true. Backtracking when there's literal chat history proof is not a good look. I'm deading the topic here.

[vagrant ginkgo]

Stick figures are my specialty

[plucky timber]

Well I guess I was blind in the past the Plus also doesnt show how many messages. only after purchase

[glad zinc]

what happened

[waxen igloo]

Doesn’t matter

[honest jay]

GPT-4 should still be working normally. If you're having some error trying to use it, you might share a little more info over in #community-help or make a post in #1070006915414900886 about what error you're running into!

[tawny crater]

Yes it says the monthly vs annual difference when you are ABOUT TO PURCHASE. Jesus. Leave me alone already. Blocking you.

[glad zinc]

what doesn't matter

[waxen igloo]

Anything.

[ionic geyser]

why this Rock guy defending OpenAI's scummy behavior so badly

[waxen igloo]

Just let it go lol

[warm gull]

so you upgraded ?

[vagrant ginkgo]

Yes check off topic

I put the info there

[lyric stream]

when is the GPT store going to be available?

[vagrant ginkgo]

For like pricing and cap

[warm gull]

tell me - if me and my son form a "team" - can we see each other's chats ?

[glad zinc]

bruh

[foggy magnet]

I believe this is how it works

[candid condor]

Thanks for the answer. I just wanted to check if other people with history disabled are able to use GPT4. It changed for me like 5min ago.
Could someone else please check if having the Plus plan with history and training disabled still allows you to use GPT4?

[thorn lily]

It doesn't.

[loud sierra]

i believe its a roll out might be a hour or so

[lyric stream]

word

[candid condor]

Thanks! It sucks how they roll out these changes without any clear announcements.

[thorn lily]

there's big tech for you

[tight island]

i upgraded as well

[candid condor]

They're so excited about this GPT store thing they don't even talk about the other changes they're making to paying users.

[vagrant ginkgo]

You can set up a management console and assign yourself admin in that

[loud sierra]

i wish there was more transparency in the communication

[crisp cairn]

Add or remove users as needed
The minimum monthly bill is for 2 users, USD $60/month - so i think a signle person can still use it, althouth will be paid x 2 users (which one can add later)

[warm gull]

sure - but i'm not really interested in my son's college queries to GPT - but i will see them on the left ?

[plucky timber]

EU users keep in mind this is without VAT

[honest jay]

Disabling training/history does not affect your ability to use GPT-4 on ChatGPT Plus. If you're having some error, it's not related to the training/history setting. Can you share a screenshot of the error you're seeing over in #community-help or in a post in #1070006915414900886?

[loud sierra]

when i say transparency i am refering to , "what is my hard earned money paying for specifically, exactly how many interactions, what am i capped at, etc."

[plucky timber]

With VAT its 72

[dense halo]

GPTStore seems lame as hell. Just a bunch of stuffs default can do. What a waste

[thorn lily]

Same thing is happening for me, will post about it though

[candid condor]

Would you mind sharing it here when you do so I can reply confirming it's happening to more people?

Not that, in my experience, reporting errors does anything

[foggy magnet]

Yeah it'd be great to know if any of our chats were actually trained on but I'm sure they don't want to give that away, even if its random sampling that gets thrown into a massive pile before being synthesized

[tight island]

just enable training if that stops your error?

[thorn lily]

#community-help message

[opal jolt]

I see the GPT store announcement but I am in Spain with Plus and I can't see GPT Store inside the UI

[brisk dirge]

I mean it's just GPT 4 with custom instructions (which you can set up too) as far as I understand, what did you expect ? 😁

[loud sierra]

Im in the states, and also do not see the store, its likley a slow roll out

[thorn lily]

Its either a slow roll out or just not out yet

[plucky timber]

The training data : Me being belingerent at the AI for it refusing to do the task at hand for the 20th time in a row :kek:

[candid condor]

Thanks!

[warm gull]

and you might be able to ask it its instructions too

[dense halo]

something worthwhile I guess.

[brisk dirge]

Haha

[foggy magnet]

LMAO

"Every time I don't get a straightforward answer, another village burns."

[candid condor]

If GPT 4 doesn't work with training disabled, that means disabling training basically locks you out of absolutely all features you're paying for. Wonderful. Why does that toggle even exist? Just tell paying members you want their data and if they don't want to give it they should use the free version. That toggle is just a placebo now. Amazing.

[plucky timber]

hahahaha I feel like that one is to familiar to a lot of us lolol

[red lintel]

for code interpreter, what is the current ram limit if we are on ChatGPT Plus (or chat GPT plus teams)

[foggy magnet]

just endless trolley dilemmas to get some basic deductions

[red lintel]

also is there a way to just update hte packages? kinda embarrasing ChatGPT can't read a Parquet file

[brisk dirge]

Hey, teams price is actually not bad. Only 5 dollars more expensive, that's really cool of them. Other companies would've probably add at least 15$ more.

[grizzled badge]

Did I miss when this is coming out? https://openai.com/blog/introducing-the-gpt-store

Mine still looks like the old one

[brisk dirge]

I think Open Ai must be one of the fewer companies out there that's not greedy and has fair prices.

[grizzled badge]

I guess, as long as the innovations keep coming... 🤔 100,000,000 users at $20/month

[ionic geyser]

I guess... but you also need to pay annually and must pay for at least 2 subscriptions... dont forget that...

otherwise, you're paying +$10/mo

[brisk dirge]

Ohhh. I didn't catch that.

[ionic geyser]

ya, openai definitely has a good level of greed

Cuts out a lot of people, meaning their data is gonna be not private

[grizzled badge]

profit potential doesn't equal greed; if they reinvest and treat their customers and employess fairly

[brisk dirge]

Wait so all the code I write for my platform and what I talk to GPT about it will be out in public ? As in if users ask it about my platform GPT will tell them all that I've told it ?

[grizzled badge]

Not verbatium, it can't remember half the stuff you just told it. 😛

[ionic geyser]

I mean, they can use it for training.

[lucid phoenix]

if it gets trained on ur code, also i’m pretty sure there is an option to make it so they don’t train on your messages in settings but that will make it so your history only lasts around 30 days. I could be incorrect, correct me if I am.

[grizzled badge]

You can op out I believe, and delete all contributed data at anytime. Don't quote me on that.

[brisk dirge]

It just helps me with the code basically. As in it writes code for me based on what I ask it to do. I give it code to but it's the same code it wrote for me, I guess it's sort of a closed loop. But I also explained to it alot of things about how my platform is supposed to work obviously so if that data i stored somewhere it probably knows ALOT about my platform 😅

[ionic geyser]

They will still use your data, trust me. That google form is not all encompassing.

[lucid phoenix]

not sure if they will use your code specifically but the chat itself will most likely be used

[plucky timber]

Privacy
Content is used to train our models
Opt-out available. - Free
Opt-out available. Plus
No. Read our privacy commitments Team
No. Read our privacy commitments Enterprise
https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing

[severe cave]

i just bought it for me. you don't have to use all the seats you are alloted.

[grizzled badge]

@brisk dirge You can use OpenAI API directly. That data isn't suppose to be collect like ChatGPT is. Again, don't quote me on this.

[ionic geyser]

Yes but they can still share your data with 3rd parties!!!
And they most likely are

[severe cave]

my only question is whether i need to cancel my personal plan, but i would need to port over all my custom GPTs first

[ionic geyser]

It's a scummy thing but that opt out is probably just meant to trick people

Dunno if teams has full privacy or not

[grizzled badge]

No, it's because our interactions provide synthetic data that the model can train on... It's a good thing, makes smarter models.

[thorn lily]

$60/mo is a bit much for a AI model

[tight island]

Much?

u mean Low, MJ is higher priced and its an image gen

[brisk dirge]

I just tried asking it about my platform and it doesn't seem to know anything about it 😄

[brisk dirge]

I see, I'm using GPT cause I can't afford using the API at least not yet.

[thorn lily]

I don't know anyone who uses MJ, $60/mo is reasonable but too much for anyone who isn't using GPT for everything

[south lantern]

😭 does anyone wanna form a team with me, u $30 me $30

[surreal nexus]

Sucks a bit for the average individual user. We've been crying out for higher usage cap

[thorn lily]

or a usage cap that works*

[candid condor]

I think it's 25$/month/user if you get yearly, but it's minimum 2 users, so that's actually $50

[thorn lily]

it's rarely 40 messages, it's like 20-30 and then it restricts you

[south lantern]

i wanna try the 32k context window gpt4. I mainly use gpt4 for coding/making notes for books/vids. The current context window seems too short and api hella expensive if u send lengthy text

[plucky timber]

Yearly = 25 a month per user
Monthly = 30

100 messages per user per 3 hours

EU Monthly total for 2 users with VAT = 72

😄

[tight island]

not too bad.

[candid condor]

But it's minimum 2 users, so it starts off at $50

[plucky timber]

Yep , and most people do monthly so realistically 60 for most

[south lantern]

from nz here have 15% gst but u can just choose america as your acc region

[foggy magnet]

expensive for a single person, but huge gains for anyone running a business or has a team

[severe cave]

it's worth it for me. i spend hours every day using it. and have had to use the api way more than i'd like because of messaging caps. it will probably equal out. not to mention that i've been building more custom GPTs that require code intepreter, which you can do with the api but gets REAL expensive real quick.

[primal swan]

anone ele not having access to the gpt store. twitter they said is live but i been refreshing a lot and nothing is diff for me. still the old screen

[plucky timber]

Good answer to microenterprises (which I think they got a lot of requests for enterprise solutions for )

[foggy magnet]

Yes. I've got a suite of curated GPTs that I will be using on this... Productivity will skyrocket.

And now I can use sensitive data without concern...

[tight island]

or just hear me out for a second, this might sound mean, but put some work into your prompts, maybe the 40 per 3-4 hrs would be enough then.

[south lantern]

well so for no teamers does anyone wanna form a team with me. $30/$30

[thorn lily]

Privacy concerns

[candid condor]

I was very excited to pay just $5 more per month and have it for me and my wife but that was misleading AF. Paired with the fact that I currently can't use GPT4 unless I have history and training on (which means I can only use the stuff I'm paying for if I have history on)... I'm very disappointed at OAI today.

[tight island]

idk if that has anything to do with privacy concerns.

[sacred aspen]

"Access to GPT-4 with 32K context window" for teams

ummmmmmm why does it not use gpt-4-1106-preview (which has GPT-4 Turbo with 128K context)

[brisk dirge]

Gotcha. Eh, not that affordable as it seemed initially but it's for teams so I guess you're not supposed to be needing that if you're not in a team.

[foggy magnet]

Okay, let's say I haven't been doing this, and I still hit cap, then what

[thorn lily]

I'm saying GPT Plus doesn't let you have any data privacy

[plucky timber]

I need someone to test if custom GPT's also fall under this 100 message limit or if that is separate as with plus you only have 25 per 3h for custom GPT's

[thorn lily]

i didn't mean to reply to your message

[tight island]

then you use the API.

[foggy magnet]

that's not true though

[candid condor]

I agree, I just thought they presented that in a very misleading way, which is not what I expected from the company.

[foggy magnet]

Nah. Teams is cheaper than API for my use case.

[plucky timber]

https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing Check on this link you can opt out.

[sacred aspen]

but does it use gpt-4-1106-preview with 128K context?

[foggy magnet]

32k context

[severe cave]

not to mention you don't have to pay for the api costs if you build a GPT that other people use. i built one silly little side project and it cost me $1000 in three days

[candid condor]

If you opt out you currently can't use GPT4, basically being locked out of absolutely every extra functionality you're paying for

[tight island]

1 thousand?

[foggy magnet]

This is severaly underrated tbh

[grizzled badge]

There are models on HuggingFace that have 128k context

[foggy magnet]

do they operate at gpt-4 levels

[severe cave]

yes

[tight island]

i created a fully interactable D&D world with NPC's with memory that evolves inside a Discord Server Play by post style that could run itself for around 60 bucks

[ionic geyser]

you can't opt out of sharing data with 3rd parties , correct me if i'm wrong.

[grizzled badge]

yes, comparable

[lusty island]

Is the gpt store only for team accounts, or can plus accounts use it too?

[thorn lily]

plus & teams, just most people can't use it rn

[lusty island]

Oh alright thanks

[plucky timber]

Nah you just disable Chat history. aka your chats wont be saved

[foggy magnet]

3rd party? Do you mean OpenAI? AFAIK there has never been 3rd party data sharing

[severe cave]

did you have 10,000 people use it?

[foggy magnet]

(the answer is no)

[tight island]

nope.

only 30.

[thorn lily]

It disables all functionality though

[foggy magnet]

So why are you questioning them on their costs? Lol

[ionic geyser]

I mean 3rd party data sharing.

[candid condor]

It worked yesterday but this morning I can't use GPT4 if I have Chat history disabled

[tight island]

but the project cost me 60 bucks to make with more than 3000 lines of code, also wouldnt call it questioning, merely curiosity, so please kindly @foggy magnet dont talk. surely miss can talk for themselves.

[foggy magnet]

Chat history is not shared with 3rd parties.

[candid condor]

Either this is a very specific bug or they changed something and didn't tell anyone

[plucky timber]

Seems like a bug to report :kek:

[plucky timber]

Yeah I mean clearly states on their pricing details what you get right

So not having that seems like a bug to me

[thorn lily]

Microsoft is practically the same company so maybe not

[ionic geyser]

Source?

[foggy magnet]

you're in a public forum in case you haven't noticed

[foggy magnet]

Can I post links? I haven't seen anything about 3rd parties mentioned in the data controls FAQ

If they state otherwise somewhere else that's fair

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7730893-data-controls-faq

[tight island]

i realize, but please, dont say what i dont do, surely this isnt your only comment to it, i determine what i do, sadly you don't i truly belive them in the cost, never said i did not.

[sacred aspen]

why not 128k context with gpt-4-1106-preview? I thought the personal plan uses that...

[candid condor]

Yup. That's what I'm saying. If I disabled history before, everything else was disabled (custom gpts, history, whatever), but I could at least still use GPT4. Now, with that not working, I locked out of every single functionality I'm paying for

[foggy magnet]

personal uses 8k

[plucky timber]

Yeah no worries I thought you just thought it would disable as last time i tried it worked fine for me too but upon testing what you said i had the same problem

[ionic geyser]

Just reading the privacy policy "3. Disclosure of personal information
In certain circumstances we may provide your Personal Information to third parties without further notice to you, unless required by the law:"

[candid condor]

Could you please star and comment on this bug report so it gets more visibility? https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1194717444946800690

[sacred aspen]

so only playground uses gpt-4-1106?

I thought everything used turbo

[foggy magnet]

Yeah that's for your account info, not your chat history? Unless you meant the account level stuff specifically. Then my bad.

[ionic geyser]

"such as the types of content that you view or engage with, the features you use and the actions you take"
Seems like it includes some level of chat history

[foggy magnet]

Legally, they cannot conflate the two. It'd be bad news. This is standard privacy policy for cookie tracking.

[feral zinc]

all paid plans use turbo with different max context usage, only enterprise can use max 128k

[tight island]

[brisk dirge]

What seems a bit awful is that they use your data for training even if you pay for a subscription which is quite awful.

I think they should offer a 5$ extension which would allow you to disable training on your data without having to turn off chat history. This way you don't have to worry about privacy.

Even that would be a bit stretched since you're paying for the service in the first place, you don't get it for free so I think they should only collect data from GPT 3.5 users since they are not paying for the service. That would be sort of fair in my view.

[candid condor]

To be honest, doesn't seem like a bug to me. It seems like a company doing something sneakily hoping no one would notice. They really want that data. Most people will just activate history and go on. That's shady AF. Like, my trust on this company is really taking a hit

[plucky timber]

Done

[candid condor]

Thanks!

[thorn lily]

I would pay for this, but yes; a premium service should not sell/use customer data

[candid condor]

Agreed

[plucky timber]

I would just assume it would notify you that this would become disabled which it doesn't it just happens and you find out upon selection, thats why i think it might be unintentional

[foggy magnet]

Why are we acting like it's not opt-out though? If we want to have an honest conversation about the features we should maintain that at the very least.

[feral zinc]

if you get teams they auto disable training in backend, temp chat treads also coming in next few weeks

[sacred aspen]

hmmmmmmm are you sure about this? just seems weird because on playground there is only gpt-4-1106-preview not a 32/64/128 conrtext version

[feral zinc]

api is a different service and payment. using the full 128k there costs over a dollar per call

[thorn lily]

It is a "opt-out" feature but when you opt out, you loose everything you pay $20/mo for.

If you want to see my screenshots about this, see #1194717444946800690

[tight island]

yup API is awesome.

[plucky timber]

Check the opt out feature , its just a toggle in settings, it seems for some reason when you toggle it on GPT 4 option goes away for your chats

Might be a bug , might be intential we dunno 😄

[foggy magnet]

Of course it's a bug.

[thorn lily]

I'm assuming its intentional

[foggy magnet]

They've had opt-out of chat history for over a year.

[plucky timber]

I assume so too since it doesnt say "hey you will lose GPT4 access if you do this"

[foggy magnet]

They just launched a new feature, the platform always goes wonky when they do

[candid condor]

It says in their pricing page, under the Plus plan:

Access to GPT-4, our most capable model
Browse, create, and use GPTs
Access to additional tools like DALL·E, Browsing, Advanced Data Analysis, and more

If you have Plus and go right now disable the history, you get non of this. So basically you lose access everything you're paying for, unless you give them your data.

I don't necessarily have a problem with that, it's a company decision. Whatever. I just dislike how shady they are about it. They didn't talk about this anywhere. It just changed this morning

[brisk dirge]

Because you're paying for those features in the first place and you lose access to part of what you're paying for if you disable it. It's like buying a car but the car maker tells you that if you lock your car you will lose the seats in the back of the car.

[sacred aspen]

ah so even assistants API act differently than ChatGPT?

[tight island]

sort of

[candid condor]

Doesn't seem like a bug. It seems like a tech company sneakily releasing a feature (because they really want your data) in the hopes no one will notice. Some people will just think it's a bug and activate history and move on. If no one complains, OAI gets what they want. That's shady as hell.

[feral zinc]

when you disabled training there has always been a warning in few places that your access will be limited due they cant control everything when external calls are made. normal gpt4 should work so maybe its a glitch related to the upcoming features

[candid condor]

Not good enough. This was an existing feature that had nothing to do with the stuff that is being launched. I don't work there so I don't know how the code works, but from a code structure standpoint, one thing has nothing to do with another

[candid condor]

Very well put

[eager orchid]

Are Gpt's still only usable by plus members?

[ocean comet]

In my opinion, nothing has really changed. GPT-4 still seems lazy and barely reads the documents I use to train my GPT agents. Unfortunately, this store will flop unless a significantly improved model with truly meaningful enhancements is released.

[bleak mica]

is it just me that doesnt have the gpt store yet?

[foggy magnet]

This is assuming the loss of everything usable in gpt-4 is intentional, which I do not believe.

[thorn lily]

I don't either

[ocean comet]

In my opinion, nothing has really changed. GPT-4 still seems lazy and barely reads the documents I use to train my GPT agents. Unfortunately, this store will flop unless a significantly improved model with truly meaningful enhancements is released.

[candid condor]

As a human being living under capitalism, I feel like you trust companies (which literally exist with the sole purpose of making money) too much.

[thorn lily]

Nah i just think @foggy magnet works for OpenAI in PR secretly lol

[ionic geyser]

Rock is OpenAI's biggest fan

[simple pasture]

Facts

[manic dirge]

I don't either haha

Looks like we'll have to wait a bit

[bleak mica]

yep

[foggy magnet]

No, I'm just talking business practices. Like, sure they could do that. I just don't think so until there's further evidence. It would be terrible for their business. Y'all make too many moral arguments, focus on the business.

[eager orchid]

Sooooo

[restive plover]

For the Team plan how many more messages do you get? Is more than 40?

[feral zinc]

100/3h

[eager orchid]

Last I checked only plus members can use the GPT's...

[restive plover]

Oh dang that is totally worth it

[ionic geyser]

this, period.

[restive plover]

Oh so when you are a Team member you can't use the GPTs?

[eager orchid]

Anyone know if it's still the case?

[feral zinc]

yes

[eager orchid]

😞

[tight island]

huh..

[eager orchid]

That's going to hold me back from allowing people to try my GPT

And others I'm sure

[restive plover]

They need to up the plus plan on messages per 3 hours

40 is ridiculous

[candid condor]

The business wants the data and I assume the percentage of users who have history and training off is low. From a business standpoint, looks like they want to push those users to activate history and training. Making this change without announcing it means they don't make people angry unnecessarily which, from a business standpoint, is great. Most of the people affected will not have the patience to open bug reports and talk to support. So, from a business standpoint, OpenAI wins. Maybe they're gonna lose a few subscribers, but compared to the total population of users, it's probably a very low percentage and they can afford that loss if it means they get all of the data.

Focusing on the business, this is a very smart decision.

[tight island]

i rarely use all 40, i manage to accomplish all i need to in around 10 or 20 or so msgs, and i use it for Coding and work. notedly i spend a lot time on prompts,

[restive plover]

Just annoying

[brisk dirge]

Oh, I was just referring to losing access to chat history if you disable training. I don't think it's fair that I lose access to a feature that is included in the subscription in the first place simply because I want privacy in regards with my data.

Even if everything else works the same I still want my chat history because it's a feature which I use a lot and it's a powerful feature. It's not just a chat historic, you can always go back and continue a conversation from where you left off and so on, it can have quite a few use cases

[foggy magnet]

I actually agree with you. We should be able to opt-out of training entirely.

[candid condor]

Humans make moral arguments because human morals is the only thing that keeps capitalism from taking over. Capitalism rewards decisions like these. Whatever makes money makes money, it doesn't matter how you do it. The only thing preventing that from being the case is humans with moral compasses complaining and forcing other humans to write laws that prevent these practices

[bleak mica]

I find only when doing coding tasks 40 messages is quite low but for other things I never make it to the 40th

[foggy magnet]

My challenge was being disingenuous that you can't use gpt-4 without chat history. It takes away from the real point, that we shouldn't have that trade-off to begin with.

[brisk dirge]

Exactly.

[tight island]

it wont matter, who wins OAI wins in the end they might lose the lawsuit but they'll win the fight in the long run if its merely about architecture and effort. u can recreate it synthetically later on and have it not be from nyt.

[foggy magnet]

You are grandstanding. This is not that deep, I promise you. It's just another business doing anti-consumer practices. If it bothers you, vote with your wallet. That's the only thing these companies understand.

[candid condor]

That's exactly my issue

Humans don't have voice. Money does

[eager orchid]

Not if we change it together

99% over the %1

[candid condor]

For that to happen we need to at least acknowledge that there's a problem, but people tend to shrug and say "it is what it is, I can't end capitalism, what do you want me to do?"

[eager orchid]

Society changes by people

[slim zephyr]

Even if OpenAI loses, it’s extremely unlikely the court would actually grant NYT’s requested remedy of “destroying GPT-4”. There’s a strong argument that this would severely detrimental to the public interest and national interest, given the vital importance of AI.

[foggy magnet]

I've been pinging mathematical logic and coding back and forth between gpt-4 and bingsly for smaller tasks. It can be really helpful.

[candid condor]

I just wish people would realize capitalism is great for innovation and growth, but on 2024 we already had enough of that. We need to chill with the race to the top thing and take care of the ones we created this whole thing for: humans

[eager orchid]

Well, as of now capitalism is proved to be the best system for growth

Yes, exactly as you say, but if not capitalism then what?

[candid condor]

That's the thing. I'm not an economist, I'm just a developer who is looking at this whole thing as an algorithm that reinforces a kind of behavior we don't really want. But I'm sure most of capitalism is super useful. We just need to tweak it more quickly.

We've been doing patches with legislation, but we need something like a capitalism v2. It would take time and a lot of work to find something that worked, but as I said, acknowledging there's a problem is the first step to get there

[eager orchid]

🤔

[brisk dirge]

Meritocracy

[digital prism]

ug so much work

[brisk dirge]

Haha

[digital prism]

keep capitalism but make us all the 1% and AI the poor and middle classes

solved.

[tight island]

what we just need is to become robots ourselves.

then we dont need food, just energy.

[digital prism]

what if the power goes out tho

[tight island]

we'll figure out a way to ascend to pure energy by then

[digital prism]

oh right right, forgot

[devout kiln]

What's the cap per hour(s) on the new GPT-Teams?
The default single-user one is 40 messages per 3 hours, any idea how much is Teams?

[tight island]

do you want me to look dandi?

[devout kiln]

If possible, yes

[tight island]

i have now looked, do u want an answer as well?

[devout kiln]

nah thank you

[tight island]

it's With DALL- E, Browsing and analysis Limit 100 Messages / 3 hours should also be listed in the article in #announcements

[eager orchid]

Just spoke to our best friend, what about a digital economy 😜

[devout kiln]

Where's it coming from?

[eager orchid]

Anyone know the split with openai for the custom GPTs

[feral zinc]

there is no rev share yet

[restive plover]

has anyone got the store yet?

I haven't got it yet

[feral zinc]

yes

[eager orchid]

Dang it so now I have to find a way to monetize

Sorry if this question is not for this board, but is it possible to call on my custom GPT through API if I build my own interface

[tight island]

no.

its is however possible to call your assistant. if u build your own interface.

[eager orchid]

Oh okay cool, thank you

[foggy magnet]

"Growth" as a concept has been a complete failure, especially the pursuit of endless growth. Economists did not factor in the law of conservation of energy. Now we're all gonna be seeing some stuff in the coming years as far as weather is concerned.

[tight island]

Assistant being the API not ChatGPT

[foggy magnet]

but this is definitely off-topic lol

[eager orchid]

Ya lol

[eager orchid]

Thank you

[eager orchid]

Honestly the articles and activity of the sun has me worried

[foggy magnet]

this is the community's app-store moment, it'll be interesting to see what takes off

[foggy magnet]

Imagine if we didn't have a magnetosphere lmaooo

[restive plover]

Is the store pretty cool?

[eager orchid]

🙏

[eager orchid]

Lol

I'm in the process of building my website for acceptance to the store, any suggestions for the website build?

I've put all the data that GPT has told me to but maybe some other insider info might help 🤷🏻

[glossy anvil]

cool but can be better easly

[sonic folio]

Thumbs up button and comments!

[crude crescent]

Looks like they've restricted GPT-4 on Plus plan to only work when we disable the privacy option (history + training disabled).

[candid condor]

Help by commenting here https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1194717444946800690

[tight island]

I don’t understand why wouldn’t you want it trained on your data?

[ancient oak]

Why would you want OpenAI to train their models on your data? 🐑

[candid condor]

Because it's my data and I should decide what happens to it 🙂

[ancient oak]

Wow. OpenAI has lost the plot with the Teams update. It totally marginalizes Plus users.

[uncut notch]

Guys where is the marketplace? I can't find it

[maiden fractal]

Still rolling out

[uncut notch]

Ohh thanks

[crude crescent]

Some of it is work related and maybe even personal. I don't want it to be used for training.
This move was pretty much taking away a feature from paying users (unless its a bug)

[sour jolt]

do you mean it will be showing in the next couple hours?

[maiden fractal]

No eta,they starting today

[scarlet dawn]

Are you sure it's removing the opt out feature for plus users?

To me the way it's worded implies that on the teams subscription it's just off instead of having to toggle it off, and highlighting it for business people.

[paper perch]

Not a good idea to announce a store being opened and then not have it show up for most people. Also they should have been more open with how the revenue would work from the start.

[azure moat]

Teams seems cool but is too expensive, it scales poorly.

[paper perch]

basically today has been a pretty bad look for openai all around.

[maiden fractal]

They can't push updates for over 100m in 1h

It take times to roll out

[paper perch]

then don't announce it till you can

[maiden fractal]

They announced they rolling out like every update. Like they do every month . It isn't something new

[paper perch]

this isn't how other companies operate

that's all I'll say

[sour jolt]

this is defo nothing like what "other companies" offer bro xD

chill 🙂

[maiden fractal]

Most advanced ai on world . World premiere

[sour jolt]

this is ALI 10.0 ... if you watched The 100 xD

[maiden fractal]

Without mention in 3 month they had the biggest growing users on world

[candid condor]

We've discussed this up here: #chatgpt-discussions message

[lavish minnow]

it's was the rollout of the announcment

stay tuned for the rollout

[paper perch]

👆

[candid condor]

In big tech you first announce it then, if it gets enough hype, you build it

[restive plover]

Weird that I still don't see the store yet

[plucky timber]

Anyone tested the difference for the "Advanced Data Analysis" for Teams and Plus?

Pricing site indicates there is now a difference :

Advanced Data Analysis
Standard - Plus
Expanded - Teams

[neat nimbus]

Anybody else only have 3.5 despite being a Plus paid account?

[plucky timber]

You have chat history off by chance?

[neat nimbus]

I do, yes

[sick pecan]

potentially 'expanded' means 32k context, as thats a selling point for Teams

[plucky timber]

Its borked, either intentionally or unintentionally we don't know but you cant GPT 4 with history off atm

[neat nimbus]

Wow

[plucky timber]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1194717444946800690

I'd upvote this 🤷‍♂️

[sick pecan]

anyone run any scientific tests on the new Teams prompt cap?

[wild bronze]

Is the gpt store available yet? or do i have to upgrade to Team to access it?

[feral zinc]

expanded means you have 100/3h limit

[plucky timber]

I know you dont know yet but what about dall-e , or GPT builder , or Custom GPTs

[sick pecan]

100/3h for both ChatGPT4 and GPTs?

[feral zinc]

gpt's does not show it but for gpt4 its that limit

[sick pecan]

kk

[feral zinc]

dall-e has its own hidden limits, unknown for gpt's since they were updated today

[plucky timber]

Yeah bit of my point today, I keep seeing the word expanded ,like I am purchasing a mystery box 😂

Similar for Custom GPT's for plus its 25 messages (Whereas normal gpt4 is 40) but this is not communicated upfront

[barren pilot]

what's the message cap for chatgpt teams

[feral zinc]

they dont say the limits at the page as they are subject to change based on server load

[plucky timber]

As per above we only know normal GPT4 which is 100 messages per user per 3 hours

[silent prawn]

nobody is able to add or generate images for their Custom GPT's icons. Haven't seen any response from the team. How can we escalate this?

[plucky timber]

Seems easy to solve, infact you just did solve it 😄

Just add an * subject to change based on server load

To the numbers hahaha

[real bluff]

bruh why am i being limited again in GPT 4 if im a preimum user

[dusky cliff]

is the GPT store public already?

[real bluff]

it does for some people i think

[plucky timber]

Depends on your RNG

[eternal rock]

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[honest jay]

A GPT-4 usage cap has been in place on ChatGPT Plus since the launch of the feature. It's currently 40/3hrs.

[dusky cliff]

what's an RNG?

[plucky timber]

I spot someone whos been saved from malicious game mechanics hahah, jokes aside its random number generation

[real bluff]

the GPT 4 feature?

[plucky timber]

My way of saying once it rolled out to you its ready

[honest jay]

Yes, access to GPT-4 on ChatGPT Plus has always included a usage cap.

[dusky cliff]

ah, yes

[real bluff]

i remember it being limited at the start of GPT 4 then it stopped limiting for a while

was it a higher limit?

[honest jay]

No, it's always been in place, it's just changed. The highest it ever settled at for a real period of time was 50/3hrs.

[feral zinc]

there as always been some limit

[real bluff]

huh strange

[candid condor]

Just checked on the mobile app and this is also happening there. It's hard think this is unintentional

[plucky timber]

More people will vote I assume , so I assume we will hear why or what anyways

[vapid hazel]

Hi all! While waiting for the GPT Store to actually be available, what are some use cases for a GPT that you would actually pay for?

[candid condor]

A while back the chat window began cleaning itself up every time you left the tab and came back (which makes the tool useless if you can't even tab away to copy and paste something), but this only happened with chat history off. Multiple people reported it and it kept happening for a couple of weeks. Then, one day, the issue was gone. No explanation was ever given.

This looks like the same kind of move by OpenAI to silently force paying users to share their data. It's shady and of bad faith.

A good question for the AMA is what Plus features are still available for Plus users after they turn off "history and training". Right now, I can't access any of them, both in the web interface and in the mobile app. With history off I'm just a free user.

[ripe marsh]

I just upgraded to GPT Team, but will I still get billed for GPT Plus?

[neat nimbus]

I have to assume it's a bug and not intentional.

"Give us more money than you're already paying for essentially the same service, or we'll start using your data whether you like it or not" is... That's a pretty rough position

[vapid hazel]

It should replace your plus subscription. Did it charge you the full year up front?

[plucky timber]

This yeah I don't really expect it to intentionally either , it used to work fine 🤷‍♂️

[ripe marsh]

I went with monthly, but it still shows my personal account plus the team account.

[dense kernel]

same here

[candid condor]

Since this is happening in both the web interface and the mobile app, and I've seen the other issue I described above, I assume this is not a bug. I explained why this is a clever move by tech companies here: #chatgpt-discussions message

[dense kernel]

unless we only get one bill?

[candid condor]

Either way it's been reported as a bug here: https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1194717444946800690

[plucky timber]

#off-topic message

They did state its their understanding and not confirmed but relevant to your Q

[neat nimbus]

I get you

I'm choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt

[ripe marsh]

Plus the team account acts as if it's totally separate from my personal account (i.e. doesn't transfer archived chats or GPTs)

[plucky timber]

You also might wanna visit that chat link I linked to beth 🙂

The person that posted about it thinks it might be separate accs

[ripe marsh]

Especially since when I'm on my personal account, it offers me the option to upgrade to Team

[candid condor]

Fair enough. And I don't want to go on another rant here, but just remember companies exist with the sole purpose of making money, and they are rewarded (with money) for adopting strategies that maximize profit. It's in the interest of OpenAI, with the growing awareness that data has been collected from the internet without proper agreement from authors, that they have a secured stream of data to use to improve their models without legal headaches.

Not announcing this change keeps them from making users upset. From the small percentage of users who notice the issue, most will probably not go through the effort of reporting a bug and just accepting that their data is used. If people do complain, they can pretend it's a bug. Win-win.

[eternal rock]

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[tight island]

Teams GPT is a Stubborn one.

it talks back

|| i love it ||

[vapid hazel]

Weird, it doesn't give me an opportunity to select monthly billing for Teams

The only option is $600 up front

[halcyon cradle]

Yeah, I noticed that, too.

Made me a bit bummed out.

[ripe marsh]

Since I'm only using the Team for myself, I can cancel the GPT Plus and just have to do everything through Team

[halcyon cradle]

Maybe in the future they'll offer a monthly sub for Teams. Probably not, but one could hope.

[ripe marsh]

It allowed me to sign up for monthly subscription for Team ($60 per month, $30 per person)

[halcyon cradle]

It only gave me the two year billing option. I'll have to investigate it later, then.

But if you are only doing it for yourself, why do you have it set for 2 people? :p

[winged sierra]

the problem.... they started the pro with 50 cap 4 images per request, after that were 100 request but 2 images then 1. after that 40 cap and 1 image or two with dalle gpt....

[sharp pilot]

Did CGPT possibly go down or just me? I'm aware the store was down earlier, not sure if a partial outage situation or what.

[winged sierra]

so i afraid to shift to team as they can restrict and decrease the caps any time

as they did with pro

[ripe marsh]

Because you have to have two seats minimum

[forest cloak]

does anyone know what the "higher message cap" is for GPT team?

[winged sierra]

100/3 hours as i see from the messages of others

[sharp pilot]

What's the baseline for Plus? 25ish?
Kind of a bummer they chose not to allow 1 seat. 😦

[winged sierra]

baseline?

[sharp pilot]

I hope AI services don't become like phone plans where families/workgroups pay a lot less than individuals.

[sick pecan]

i have been testing GPT cap under Teams plan and i have yet to hit it

[winged sierra]

20

[sharp pilot]

This seems too low? I'm a Plus user and I definitely do more than 20 without getting capped.
But I'm honestly not sure what it is.

[sick pecan]

ChatGPT Plus users are lucky to get more than 20 GPT queries per 3 hours, despite the 40/3hr cap

whereas my initial testing of ChatGPT Team is there is no GPT cap

[winged sierra]

deception?

[sharp pilot]

Now I'm confused but 40/3hr sounds more like my experience.

[winged sierra]

i mean they start the service with 100

then lower

[hallow plank]

I apologize in advance if this has been asked/answered: I was wondering if anyone else has had an issue with ChatGPT 4 stating it only has knowledge up to April 2023 and is unable to browse he web.

[winged sierra]

and some of the subcribers will pay annual fee

[winged sierra]

yeah

just write that yes you can

i mean it can only use bing search

not through weblink

[sharp pilot]

If anyone else is like me and had CGPT stop responding, I had some weird cache thing going on and I was able to log in again after doing an empty cache and hard reload in Chrome (under dev tools).
Suspect they probably updated the service while I was using it or something like that.

[hallow plank]

LOL! Thanks, I just said, 'Yes you can, now please provide me with the information I requested" and it worked 🙂

[sharp pilot]

Mixed feelings about seeing CGPT Team, I'm glad to see a tier with more features but it feels like I am being priced out as an individual. Kind of a bummer tbh.

[winged sierra]

its auto reload to me.....

[forest cloak]

so, if I am understanding you correctly, you are using teams already, and have technically no caps?

[winged sierra]

but i use desktop client

[sick pecan]

Teams has 100 queries per 3 hour cap.

[sharp pilot]

Is that shared among the team members?

[tight island]

same ive been showing code down its face.

[sick pecan]

GPTs have a lower cap (rumoured to be dynamic, but in my experience about half). Teams does not appear to have this limit

[tight island]

im trying to fit a square into a circlular hole. wont work

[winged sierra]

is there a daily image or image request cap as with plus?

because then....

[forest cloak]

so would you suggest someone jumping to Teams if they need the larger cap?@sick pecan

[sick pecan]

yeah testing dalle image limit is next. but im planning on locking myself out with GPTs

[sick pecan]

double the cap for +50% cost = yes

[sharp pilot]

Kind of wish they would just publish what the limits are but I guess they are worried people will just target them.

[winged sierra]

as someone said with images the daily cap is 200 or something?

[sharp pilot]

It's not +50% cost though unless you are on an actual Team? Maybe I am in the minority paying for Plus for myself but it kinda stinks. I don't understand the 2 seat minimum.

[winged sierra]

Team

no i member team

[sick pecan]

my GPTs are now starting to fail to respond at around ~60 prompts in < 1hr

[winged sierra]

: : D

[sharp pilot]

@winged sierra In case I wasn't clear I mean not making the access tier available to individuals, not the naming obviously

[sick pecan]

here i my GPT cap test chat using Teams plan https://chat.openai.com/share/e/38e65884-930f-41d8-a15e-07aed62ce344

[winged sierra]

thats the extra cash flow

min 2 member.... therefore the higher cap

[sick pecan]

nwoait the shared chat looks fine. its just my web ui is broken

[forest cloak]

500
Internal Server Error.

[winged sierra]

500

[sick pecan]

weird. shared chats from shared workspace dont work public?

[sharp pilot]

I still don't get it honestly. Most people aren't going to pay 2x or 3x to have a one person group account so why not also have an individual option?
Feels like a step on the road to AI services just being for groups and companies, not a great trend.

[winged sierra]

but as now others say... x2 cap per person

if it stay this

and dont decrease it....

: : D

[zenith pond]

Does teams work on the iOS or android apps if you subscribe to it, or is it just a website thing at the moment?

[tight island]

i think its a Website thing for now, but thats just my take on it.

[zenith pond]

That was my assumption as well - thanks for the answer!

[sharp pilot]

Maybe OAI figured if they don't offer an individual plan at the new tier it helps shut out whales/individual over users?
But even then that doesn't make a lot of sense if the cap isn't shared by the entire team. Maybe they do distribute the cap?

[tight island]

its more due to the fact that the "Average Joe" cant get Enterprise.

then teams oughta do

[winged sierra]

the problem... for that price you can get "same" quality and more stable service

in the mean of image gen

[sick pecan]

teams is for powerusers who use chatgpt all day every day

[queen kite]

hey all! does anyone know what the cap limit is for the teams plan ?

[winged sierra]

yeah

[tight island]

i take that as a compliment

[charred mango]

100/person

[queen kite]

100 per 3 hours ? thanks

[tight island]

per person u paid for 2 users for a monthy sub.

[winged sierra]

i just afraid to move to it

[tight island]

so technically 200

[queen kite]

does it mean 200 if i use it for myself

[charred mango]

I will also say it's bugged and the people you invite can't join.. at least in my experience.

[charred mango]

no unless you have two accounts

[visual nova]

If the team thing actually gives api access on playground to things like vision then id get it in a second.

[winged sierra]

i have buds to share the sub with them

[queen kite]

ok thanks

[winged sierra]

but bad experience with Pro changes

[eager orchid]

You need an openai plus subscription to use the custom GPT if you send to someone and they can't access it, it may be the reason

[winged sierra]

no api access

as i saw on the site

[charred mango]

It's not a custom GPT I'm trying to invite them to. I purchased a teams license and am trying to add them as a seat. They got the invite link, but the accept invitation button simply goes to chat.openai.com.

[visual nova]

ive had a browser glitch thats like that

not with this, maybe if they open it in another browser?

[winged sierra]

if there isnt a low daily image, message cap....

[charred mango]

It's not a browser glitch. I inspected the HTML. The button is wired up with a href tag that simply targets
<a href="https://chat.openai.com" ...>Join workspace</a>

[sick pecan]

the single cap in Team plan makes plugins/actions great again

[winged sierra]

no daiily cap?

[sick pecan]

sorry i havent tested dalle yet

i have a trick to generate 16 images per prompt, which usually taps out after 3

ill try it now

[forest cloak]

@sick pecanso ultimately its about 600USD a year? for 2 accounts?

[sick pecan]

sure maybe. someone else is paying for my account

[winged sierra]

Cthulhu fan too?

[forest cloak]

ah ok, i noticed it's 25/person/month billed annually so if the calculations is correct should be roughly that

[sick pecan]

naw i am the real Cthulhu

[winged sierra]

you just dream it...

)

[sick pecan]

a dream is just as real as this reality

[charred mango]

Yea it's $600/year plus tax which ended up being around $30. Unfortunately, it's worthless right now as the people you invite can't join.

[winged sierra]

too much blue pill?

[sick pecan]

how do you know you arent dreaming right now?

[winged sierra]

i went to sub page but luckily didnt add tax to it

but i didnt subbed to it

[winged sierra]

service would be more stable if i would dream...

:: D

[winged sierra]

still thanks the info

[charred mango]

it added the tax after I entered my billing info

[sick pecan]

up to 24 images

[winged sierra]

whats the trick?

[sick pecan]

new chat, this prompt...

[winged sierra]

it scks... here the tax is 27%...

[charred mango]

yikes. Mine was 6.4% of the 600 ($38.40). Just checked.

[winged sierra]

is the "edit" image function available again?

[sick pecan]

i didnt think dalle ever had an edit image function

[winged sierra]

i cant attach image here

message you

[sick pecan]

i hit dalle image limit like Plus user on Team plan

28 images in and its putting time delays on me

[winged sierra]

so the 100 per user is not 100 per user

thats what i afraided of....

100 is just a promise

[slate berry]

Dall-E 3 has always had a different rate limit that ChatGPT input/output

[winged sierra]

not when i started my sub

[sick pecan]

ill keep geenerating images to see if i hit the 200 image daily limit

just gotta pause every time i hit the overloaded limit

[winged sierra]

maybe or hopefully is at least 400

but yeah

thanks with the test...

[sharp pilot]

Well I already phrased my complaint like two different ways. I don't even spend a lot of the day at cap but when I do hit it and am using CGPT for productivity it's frustrating.
Just feels like unless they are spreading the cap out around the Team they should have allowed buying 1 seat and not a minimum of 2. And yes I know they named it Teams, just don't see why $600/person @ 2 where both seats get 2x the cap shouldn't allow $300 @ 1.

If someone confirms that they are spreading the cap out around the Team then I get it, otherwise just seems hating on individuals.

[sick pecan]

yeah hitting cap is the worst feeling. you should be able to pay a few dollars to buy a few more queries

[sharp pilot]

Which is exactly what this new tier is for, but only for 2+ seats. Why? I don't even understand the business case for it.

[sick pecan]

because powerusers are rare, so forcing them to buddy up with non power user makes the deal work

[sharp pilot]

Maybe I don't see it because I might be one but I honestly don't hit cap all that often.
And even what you said only makes sense if they distribute the usage cap among the Team, which for some reason I am assuming they do not until someone confirms it.

[sick pecan]

economic sense

pretty sure the top 1% users are costing them money not making them money

[sharp pilot]

Now I'm feeling dumb
How does it make economic sense if they have the same per-user cap for the same $ per seat?

Maybe it's a group shame thing? Like "haha look at Janice she used up her cap already"?

[sick pecan]

no it means if 9/10 of the team are not hitting it hard they are very profitable, which balances out that last poweruser who is costing compute every second of every day

much like shared internet

[sharp pilot]

I appreciate your trying to explain it to me, my being the one perplexed means it's just something I am not grasping.

[sick pecan]

yeah well it would be nice if the cheaper plans had more features

[harsh wren]

What is the team limit?

[fluid horizon]

Depending on how much Your willing to pay.

Can you browse gpts from the Team Plan?

It just specifies that you can create and share gpts but not browse others?

[foggy magnet]

Are folks starting to see the store? I can see it now

[fluid horizon]

Yeah.

[ionic geyser]

I really hope they fix this mistake

sooner or later, someone will come along and make a better product...

[faint musk]

What is the reason LLMs are so much better at human language translation than traditional methods? I would have thought an LLM would be awful at language translation because it's basically a predictive engine no? It outperforms every other translation method in something like Korean.

[coarse patio]

Its not just a predictive engine, but is a hyperpowered super predictive generator

Really, the context goes into tokens, turned into numbers, weighted importance, pass through many neural layers that do some magic math to 'understand' it better, then makes a cool linear regression line that predicts one token

[foggy magnet]

Beyond the obvious stuff like dataset size, transfer learning, etc. Attention mechanisms play a big role.

[sick pecan]

because turns out humans are just next token generators

its not like we can write a whole book in a single thought

[faint musk]

ah ha, this is the direction I'm looking to go. Thank you. If you have any resources for learning more specifically about attention mechanisms, I'd gladly welcome them. Grateful for the answers.

[sick pecan]

forget transformers architecture... all the cool kids are figuring out state spaces

[winged sierra]

but i think mainly power users team up... because the low caps.... for reg user the cap for pro is maybe enough....

[next egret]

Did we recently lose the ability to stop an output response? I used that ALL the time to save compute when I did stupid bad prompting things and realize by sentence two of GPT output

[sick pecan]

yeah but teams plays to the strength of humans ie social colab

my issue is there isn't much collaboration features yet with the team plan

[sick pecan]

hit the stop symbol

[winged sierra]

yeah that would be good.

[next egret]

There's no stop symbol for me anymore

Maybe I'm dumb and its just a UI bug, I'll restart in a few if you still see your stop button

[flat sage]

Hello community... quick question (perhaps, lol) ... in recent chat i was able to install a PIL (FORK) python library by stating,"I need you to turn on data-analysis python library" and i was able to get 60-frame gif files.
But now, no longer, has anyone else experience a wall of no compliance?..."I cannot create animated GIFs or any form of animation"....

[sick pecan]

doesn't sound like a chatgpt question. code interpreter maybe but there's a channel for that

[next egret]

back after restart.

[restive kernel]

This blew my mind. ChatGPT4 just had an actual intelligent insight that I think might be an original thought

For a more intertwined example, consider the field of neural networks in artificial intelligence, specifically the concept of recursive neural networks. These networks are designed to process sequences of data (like sentences in natural language processing), where the output at one stage of the network feeds back as input in the next stage.

In this system, the network's understanding (or emergent property) of a sentence's meaning influences how it processes each word or phrase. The processing of each word is a lower-level operation, but it's directly affected by the higher-level context established by previous words. This creates a Strange Loop: the emergent understanding of the sentence's context influences the processing of its components, which in turn shapes the context.

Ok maybe thought is a bit strong. But the idea that an LLM is an example of a strange loop, when so many people believe consciousness emerges from them (for the record, I don't), and that this idea itself emerged.

Emergent insights into a true emergent's emergence, that emerged during a conversation about emergence. This is off the meta scale!

[ripe marsh]

Store on GPT Team is working. My guess is, like every change OpenAI does, it will take at least a few days to get all the bugs worked out

(Such as connecting GPT Plus personal account to a Team so I don't get double-billed)

[light canyon]

The features of ChatGPTteams are not very clear compared to ChatGPTPlus. Is it just Plus with added management functions, or is there also a difference in performance?

[sick pecan]

teams gets 100/3hrs instead of plus 40/3hrs

[light canyon]

Thank you. What about the response speed?

[sick pecan]

also i tested for a pre-cap GPT limit (only applicable to GPT powerusers) and stopped trying after 69 prompts in 1 hour

[ripe marsh]

That's why I purchased it. For the moment, I'll just keep the GPT Plus and GPT Team account ($80 per month total) and hope they get it so I can add the personal account to my GPT Team so I can remove GPT Plus from the personal account

[proven flax]

Has OpenAI changed or removed the usage limit? If it's not removed out of the box, are there ways to get OpenAI to remove the limit for developers and businesses who need far more usage from gpt4?

[sick pecan]

pretty sure enterprise users gets unlimited usage

[light canyon]

I wonder if the speed is the same as Plus. Unlike Enterprise, it seems that the API cannot be used.

[dense halo]

G RATED

[proven flax]

The enterprise plan says it does, but I could only imagine the price tag on the enterprise plan and it seems like that plan is for companies with a decent size of employees or partners. I have to build the foundation of my company alone before I can afford to start hiring team members.

[nova ermine]

when gpt receives output from an action, how long is that input retained? im asking because i want to keep the token context impact low

[ripe marsh]

"I could only imagine the price tag on the enterprise plan" When it says to contact sales, that always means it's expensive. As the old joke goes: if you to ask the price, you can't afford it.

[proven flax]

Hopefully they will work with me because 25 messages every 3-4 hours is nowhere near what I need to build the foundation of my company alone.

[ripe marsh]

GPT Plus allows 40 messages for 3 hours, and GPT Teams allows 100 messsages per 3 hours

[sick pecan]

is worth the price to not hit a 2+ hour timer

[ripe marsh]

The reason I bought GPT Teams is for that extra message cap mainly

[proven flax]

$60+ per month for only 100 messages per 3 hours sounds overpriced when there are many other LLM's out there. I just submitted my enterprise request, but I'm not expecting a hopeful response, if any response at all.

[ripe marsh]

My understanding GPT-4 is the best LLM so far

[sick pecan]

in blind tests across most domains anyway

[crude slate]

Does the chat gpt team have lesser context?

[proven flax]

That could be true, but value and affordability also matter. It's only a matter of time before Google, Elon Musk with Grok and other companies catch up and copy OpenAI's ideas.

[crude slate]

Since I thought gpt 4 was 100+ k

But it says it only has 32k for team

So I’m worried I’m actually downgrading

[sick pecan]

a recent model is capable of that size. but chatgpt and the model capability move at different speeds/directions

[ripe marsh]

Fair point, and once one of them comes up with a better LLM for a cheaper price, I may well switch (assuming OpenAI doesn't improve on its LLM by then).

[crude slate]

I’m hoping they catch up tbh

Would give open ai more of a need to improve

And maybe engage with the community and users more

Feature wise I don’t think we’ve gotten that much with chat gpt

[proven flax]

I never said gpt would continue to improve, lol. I'm loving this LLM battle because we will benefit no matter who is on top. Before we know it, gpt4 will be free. Principles also mean a lot to me, so at the end I'll stand with the company who stands on principles that align with mine and who has the best interest of the users.

[crude slate]

Other than the api features, custom gpts has just been normal gpt 4 with slightly more customization over context and custom instructions

like no actual way to adjust model behavior like generation length and randomness

Same with ways to edit and format context

[tawny crater]

I wish they would let you see a detailed breakdown of HOW the customized gpt's work.

[crude slate]

It’s probably similar to custom instructions

Which are probably just inserted at the end of context

[tawny crater]

No I mean from the store

[crude slate]

Which means it gets less and less effective as the chat goes on

[tawny crater]

Like I wish they could show an explanation of what it does instead of spin the wheel try your luck

[austere ridge]

So you need to have two people to use teams?

[tawny crater]

No, you just need to buy for 2 minimum.

[austere ridge]

ok

[proven flax]

I think custom gpt's were long overdue. I honestly think the open-source community will become a great competitor or even win the battle because of the greed of big companies. The very short message limit is what has stopped me from upgrading because I need far more usage to build the foundation of my tech company by my lonesome along with other tasks.

[tawny crater]

But you do need to pay the price for each hence why it's 60 dollars total, 30 per person

[drifting ocean]

Hello which section can I find discussions in best practices for OpenAI assistant

[proven flax]

I reckon the store will be the prime focus.

[austere ridge]

Why does it say 30usd on their website, but 25usd in chatgpt?

[tawny crater]

You literally replied to the most out of context comment you could have picked. This is I what I am referring to "Like I wish they could show an explanation of what it does instead of spin the wheel try your luck"

[proven flax]

Yes, the minimum cost for teams is $60 monthly. I believe the minimum is $50 if you pay annually.

[austere ridge]

ah ok

[crude slate]

Bruh…

[tawny crater]

Whenever you pick a custom gpt it does not give you a full breakdown as it would for your own created one. Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea? I'd like to know what it does before wasting my limited messages on it

[austere ridge]

I assume the higher message cap is per person right

not shared

[tawny crater]

Yes it js

[crude slate]

I mean there was the survey about us willing to pay for a higher usage

[tawny crater]

It's per person

[crude slate]

But not like this, I’m not going to pay 50+

Why can’t the 25 be for individuals as well

[proven flax]

Not explaining things in depth or at all seems to be a common thing on their site, but I believe they will explain the store in depth soon because the store will be their prime money maker.

[tawny crater]

A fair price imo would be 35 dollars for an individual person.

At most 40

[proven flax]

Wow, so custom gpt's also come with the same limits. Thanks for confirming that for me. I thought the custom gpt's would at least be unlimited like 3.5

[proven flax]

They would have made that clear if that was the case. It has to be shared.

[waxen chasm]

$30 per person with a minimum two people if you monthly. Or $25 per person if you pay for the whole year

[sick pecan]

@winged sierra about 200 images in and i got hit with the daily maximum number of images error... reset in 10+ hours

ergo no Dalle cap benefit for Team subscription

[crude slate]

👀

30 might be reasonable tbh

For individual use

[proven flax]

I'd pay $30 for unlimited usage as long as gpt4 has senior level skills in full stack development. Something keeps telling me that hype is overshadowing the reality of what gpt4 is capable of, especially when compared to free options like bard.

[foggy magnet]

Bing clears bard in coding.

[plush ridge]

Hi guys, is GPT4 32K only available to the new team subscribers?

[foggy magnet]

Yes, for now at least. API has a larger context window than both

[proven flax]

I'm about to test it out. I'd say full stack development is my #1 priority when choosing an LLM. Complex features that YouTube, Twitch, Facebook and Twitter offer while reducing server costs with peer to peer.

[plush ridge]

Thx

[drowsy tinsel]

gpt4 is surprisingly fast today

was expecting it to be terrible, but it really isn't

[paper perch]

pretty awesome how they have 3 different logo makers in their featured section for dalle-3 in the gpt store. Well done /s

[hoary gazelle]

i still dont get how this works, are the prompts going to this companies? it is just inside openAi servers? what these comapnies have to win doing it?

[paper perch]

and only showing 12 total gpt's per section, this is a disaster

not seeing anyone happy about anything about this

All trails gpt the one that's featured and it's completely pointless you can just use their app... I'm done whining about this but man I was expecting so much more. I feel like I wasted money and time trying to create anything with this.

[dense halo]

Do you have to have a minimum of 2 people for the new subscription?

They should up the limit for plus to at least 50

[sudden light]

As a long-term subscriber, I haven't received the update from the GPT store yet. Is there a delay?

[rain wave]

Is ChatGPT's page down? I was trying to access but it's not loading

nvm just loaded 👍

[ripe marsh]

Basically, if you pay monthly, it charges you for two seats ($30 each), but one person can sign-up (but will pay $60 per month).

[dense halo]

that's not worth

[waxen chasm]

I updated my app and logged in and put on my computer that worked for me

[south lantern]

💀 g we can team up, u $30 me $30 les go

[dense halo]

😂

That got me curious would we be able to see each other's convo histories?

[south lantern]

i'm honestly looking for a teammate, i use gpt4 for coding and making notes but the current context window is too shrot sometimes

idk, haven't subscribed personally idm sharing my convo

just a lot of technical things

[dense halo]

I don't want mine seen 😦

[south lantern]

well need to ask other ppl if we can see each other's conversations then

also i'm wondering if gpt4 32k is less lazy than the default gpt4. I doubt the default one has 8k context window tbh. Its performance is kidna bad for lengthy text (not super long, just medium long)

[sick pecan]

you can try out gpt4 32k via the api. and if you havent got access, there are various third parties that will sell it to you

[ripe marsh]

I think it does. I'm not sure since I'm the only person on my Team, but the Team workspace is separate from your account (to the point where it looks like, beyond the $60 per month I am paying for GPT Team, I still have to pay $20 for my personal account's GPT Plus, but maybe they'll change/fix that)

For instance, none of my saved chats from my workspace or my GPTs carry over from the personal account to the Team workspace (I add to manually search for the GPTs that I created in order to add them)

But who knows? They just released GPT Team today I think and OpenAI is notorious for taking at least a few days to get new features to work properly/integrate

It looks like for the moment, I'll have to keep the two separate accounts (https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8801890-can-i-migrate-my-chatgpt-free-or-plus-account-over-to-chatgpt-team)

[bold siren]

Will people be able to make passive income once others use their custom GPTs?

[ripe marsh]

Maybe, but I doubt it since it's too easy to create GPTs. Unlike the API, where you have to do a lot of coding (or pay someone else to do coding), you can create a GPT basically through a conversation with ChatGPT 4, so even if they allow people to charge for GPTs, someone else can probably create their own GPT (more tailored to them anyway since it is based on their discussion with ChatGPT) for free. If anything, I think that's going to be a problem with the idea of a specific GPT going widespread: a lot of GPTs are likely going to be too tailored to the individual who created it.

[sick pecan]

the best custom GPTs will be using Actions, those actions also use an API, only hosted by the GPT owner.

thin wrapper around chatgpt = dime a dozen
but add an action and now it is potentially a million dollar idea

[bold siren]

Thanks for the replies

[vapid hazel]

Anyone else unable to upload knowledge documents to GPTs in Teams mode?

[iron compass]

Anyone else have issues where GPT agents will be published as everyone under a certain category, and then later it's set to just "anyone with a link"?

[dense halo]

Is GPT 3.5 down?

I think so

I'm having issues accessing the website rn

Anyone else?

"Our systems have detected unusual activity from your system. Please try again later."

[hollow quail]

same

[exotic night]

too slow

anyone else?

[dense halo]

Yea, mines responding now but its pretty laggy

[hearty lantern]

It brokey

[scarlet delta]

Yeah it keeps freezing

[sterile flame]

going down a lot lately...

[digital prism]

its personality just fragmented into a billion custom shards

give it a sec..

[orchid wing]

they doing some deploys I bet

[hearty lantern]

It workey now for me

[crisp carbon]

Has anyone upgraded to the Team plan? Will any content, including my chats, be shared with other members in the Team? Will there be a duplication between Team and individual accounts?

[serene stag]

Has anyone else expericnce buying chatgpt plus
and then it not letting you select it and sending you to the pricing tab yet i have been charged in my bank???

[ivory matrix]

It’s acting very weird

[sick pecan]

i have upgraded to teams plan. you get a workspace toggle which you use to switch between the team and personal. there is no duplication

and if you switch workspace in one browser tab it switches in all of them

[ivory matrix]

Plus I can’t access my stuff

[vapid hazel]

At the moment nothing seems to cross between the two

[ivory matrix]

If they are they’re doing a terrible job at it

[vapid hazel]

Yeah it's down completely for me now

I get a blank interface with no GPTs in it, no account selector, can't even log out.

[normal mountain]

Looks like we're not alone

[patent hull]

Is gpt coming back soon

[normal mountain]

I also got a blank page with only a New Chat button

[patent hull]

I'm studying for my test lol

[tawny crater]

Nope its down forever

[ivory matrix]

Well that depends are they actually working on it or their just being lazy, and trying to sweep it under the rug pretending to care

[vapid hazel]

It was the same when they released GPT Plus and when they released Custom GPTs, just takes a few hours for them to ramp up to scale

[tawny crater]

Nah they have been aware for an hour now, https://status.openai.com/

[normal mountain]

[tawny crater]

The playground is still up if you have that.

[rocky mulch]

Having this error... "Our systems have detected unusual activity from your system. Please try again later." Still not fixed.

[vapid hazel]

It's usually a bad session, it goes away

[exotic night]

The boss is asking me why I haven't been coding properly, he doesn't know that chatGPT crashed.

[frozen ivy]

its probably down for another 1-2 hours

[tacit vortex]

sevice unstable, regardless of user origin.

[tacit vortex]

count money? btw i only have gpt3.5 api, no 4. thx

[pseudo pier]

Do they have a announcement channel for server status?

Right now they only have announcement for product update....

[tacit vortex]

i suggest they split the server, half for routine use, half for upgrade.

[oblique fractal]

~10 messsage up. Link to Status page

[pseudo pier]

Yeah I worked with status page. Then the only way to do this is develop a discord bot myself to auto alert...

[dire obsidian]

chatGPT still down? Any ETA?

[wraith gust]

down ?

[crisp carbon]

https://status.OpenAI.com

[modest cedar]

https://status.openai.com

[dire obsidian]

Pays for Teams. Whole system goes down LOL

[vapid hazel]

You broke it for everyone!

[lyric stump]

is GPT down right now?

[dire obsidian]

soireee

[silk grotto]

people really need to learn to read 2 messages upward dude

[digital prism]

never up, only down.. only down

[vapid hazel]

What's down?

[digital prism]

the direction of reading

[vapid hazel]

.> It's GPT, GPT is down. Down down down...

[dire obsidian]

I cant even read who you are replying too. That would break the internets

[digital prism]

time moves forward OK

[vapid hazel]

Time stands still. We move backward.

[dire obsidian]

Except for the 4D people

[vapid hazel]

We're all 4D people...

[digital prism]

we're all.. something alright

[vapid hazel]

I'm not something

[digital prism]

odd assertion tbh

[vagrant garden]

Down

[dire obsidian]

4D people would have time as a pyhsicaly dimension I think. One they could move through.

[digital prism]

i wish gpt was here to validate these perspectives

[dire obsidian]

Bye to my typing

[blissful geyser]

It's wild how people who PAY for ChatGPT don't get our own servers. Google AI can't come fast enough 😭

[vapid hazel]

If time was a physical dimension you could not move through it because movement is a function of time AND space.

movement becomes meaningless if there is not a before and after

[dire obsidian]

Those are 3D people concepts

Im only 2D though. Hence why you can read me

[vagrant garden]

I can taste you

Cookie

[digital prism]

you can't eat codenames

[dire obsidian]

Good luck. I heard I taste like poop

[vagrant garden]

i licked the cookie

[dire obsidian]

I think the implication is there would be another dimension that would replace time. That would be in the place of time as a similar reference

[digital prism]

i dont think 2d things are real tbh

[oblique fractal]

It's too complicated. Lets just add dimensions until it all makes sense

[vagrant garden]

less technology more nature prepare we must

[dire obsidian]

Hey if the chatGPT I paid for was working we could ask that what living as a 4D being would be like

[dim sapphire]

h

hi is chatgpt down ?

[dire obsidian]

yh

[dim sapphire]

why

[dire obsidian]

technical rollouts would be my guess. It should be back soon

[dim sapphire]

oh

[dire obsidian]

yh

im the yh bot

[vestal warren]

sry didn't see

mb

[dire obsidian]

yh

[sacred moth]

chatgpt down?

[tiny wigeon]

Service degradation in ChatGPT
Update - We continue to investigate the issue.
Jan 10, 2024 - 21:38 PST
Update - We are continuing to investigate the issue.
Jan 10, 2024 - 21:14 PST
Investigating - We are currently investigating degraded service in ChatGPT where pages are loading slower than normal impacting potentially all users.

[dire obsidian]

I think its back

[dim sapphire]

yeah its back

[tacit vortex]

but reply quality seems lowered.

[dire obsidian]

yh

[dim sapphire]

like not lording previous conversations

[dire obsidian]

It is for me. Maybe log out then in again.

[dim sapphire]

hm

[sacred moth]

its not loading at all. shows Unusual activity detected

[dim sapphire]

;-;

[dire obsidian]

Officially its still not working properly though. I guess untill that changes we shouldnt say its back.
https://status.openai.com/

[digital prism]

aliens?

[dire obsidian]

miami?

[sacred moth]

Maybe lol

[hoary gazelle]

A communications disruption could mean only one thing...invasion

[sacred moth]

how's the new gptstore guys?

[dire obsidian]

Should we deploy the ULTRA GPT? Might be the only chance to save Earth.

[hoary gazelle]

go ahead captain, it is our only hope

[subtle citrus]

We're back

[hoary gazelle]

we won?

[subtle citrus]

nods

[hoary gazelle]

thanks gpt. (salutes)

[spice falcon]

chat is not working>

[frank viper]

nope

[hoary gazelle]

The AMA starts in 9 hours. Don't miss the chance—submit your questions by clicking the button above!

-.-

[somber loom]

the same to me...fixed now?

[eternal rock]

https://discord.gg/txJMFUqc?event=1194703322972684338

[spice falcon]

cannot click upgrade billing because it says there are problems

[lost veldt]

can't visit ChatGPT website now?

[spice falcon]

yes, this is the case