gpt-models

[royal atlas]

Thanks @agile vortex and @supple violet .

[agile vortex]

Happy to help

[royal atlas]

I never got to try out ChatGPT with GPT4.

[hoary cedar]

surely does! It can search and open multiple websites, which is good!

[tardy thistle]

What? Claude has 100k context window? Since when?

[agile vortex]

Only if you have access to it via anthropic (not in poe or slack)

[tardy thistle]

Is there any degrading performance with the higher context window?

[agile vortex]

but yea they released it a few days ago

[agile vortex]

not really, it can be a bit slow if you gave it a massive bit of text in one go

[karmic cradle]

Hi anyone has developed AI for healthcare?
Gujranwala medical college is hosting a Gemcon event to display AI that is used in healthcare.
So I want to display some AI.
Anyone ever built one please inform.

[agile vortex]

but just chatting with it, its perfectly fine, and i mean slow, by maybe a few second (eg. i gave it a 100 page book and asked it how many times the work 'hello' was in it, it may take a few seconds)

[agile vortex]

#ai-discussions

[tardy thistle]

Oh, that sounds amazing actually! How would you par it against GPT-4 if we ignore the wide margin in context window.

[agile vortex]

compared to gpt4? GPT4 is better, but not by a lot. Claude-V1.3 is probably the closest thing to gpt honestly, sometimes i prefer the output of claude, however i prefer the creative writing from claude personally, but in most other things gpt4 is better. Claude is also faster, but again gpt4 is better in more complex questions

I'd say in common langauges, for transaltion they are on par, but i feel like gpt4 is better in summarization, laid out nicer

id also point out GPT4 is better at taking instructions, not by a lot, but it is noticable, sometimes i tell claude a few different instructions, it just ignores a few, but personally not a deal breaker, i prefer claude-v1.3 to over gpt3.5 easily though

[quasi apex]

Is claude's speed attributed to the number of users compared to chatgpt?

[high sky]

my gpt stuck on reading content failed forever
how to fix it

[tardy thistle]

Interesting, I will try that out if they give me access 🙂
Yeah, I rarely see myself using GPT3.5, I just sit on the playground with GPT4 if I wasted my "25 messages" in ChatGPT. It feels so much more that you can "align" it towards the right answers when you have control over its own history

[agile vortex]

i dont think so, claude (at least via anthropics site) has a lot less users, probably under then tens of thousands

[supple violet]

note that the 100k is pretty expensive to use after testing/playing around phase 😛

[agile vortex]

the pricing is still the same luckily, how regardless 100k is still not going to be cheap haha

(gpt4 has different pricing for its 32k version)

[tardy thistle]

What's the pricing per/million tokens?

[lost cedar]

Damn I've been waiting a couple of hours and the websearch is still "thinking"

[supple violet]

something like $10, $35 for prompt/compl, havent checked if they changed em recently

[agile vortex]

also claude instant is also 100k token limit too, which is far cheaper

instant: Prompt
$1.63/ million tokens = prompt
$5.51/ million tokens = Completion

full version:
$11.02/ million tokens = prompt
$32.68/ million tokens = Completion

[molten mason]

Who is claude

[supple violet]

the lighter version cant handle things that 3.5 can, at least before

[tardy thistle]

And GPT4 with its 32k context window later on:
8K context $0.03 / 1K tokens $0.06 / 1K tokens
32K context $0.06 / 1K tokens $0.12 / 1K tokens

[molten mason]

Claude is gpt4?

[tardy thistle]

No, it's Anthropics LLM

[molten mason]

What's that

[agile vortex]

a different company

[molten mason]

I see

[cerulean obsidian]

LOL just found out, ChatGPT, not GPT API but ChatGPT have lot of Cenorship we can't even talk about mental health I had to go to playground

[molten mason]

Gpt4 can read images and stuff like that right?

[wind urchin]

no

[agile vortex]

yes but that feature has not made public yet

[cerulean obsidian]

It was not same before, they made changes recently I see LOL

[molten mason]

Ahh I see

[tardy thistle]

Yes, it does. Filter moderation before giving answers.

[agile vortex]

yes it can 😃

[molten mason]

Chatgpt censoring is some of the most biased censorship I've seen

But honestly if you manage to get past that

It's alright

[cerulean obsidian]

Luckly I had GPT 4 API so I moved to playground, I asked it same my mental health question I asked it 2 months ago but it is straight denying in ChatGPT

[molten mason]

Tbh mental health I can understand

Getting a professional diagnosis is better

[vestal moat]

Is the recent announcement out for everyone yet? or is it a gradual thing

[agile vortex]

getting professional help is recommended

[agile vortex]

gradual, please wait as it can take up till next week to be available to all Plus users

[vestal moat]

like web browsing and plugins available to everyone

[vestal moat]

Got it, thank you

[tardy thistle]

The image feature is just a module for GPT4, but since GPT4 is so good at reasoning, it can, given an image, convert it behind the scenes to a textual description, and then provide answers based on that.
It's like doing embeddings on a big dataset of image-text pairs and then just doing knn for new inputs to provide a accurate description of the image input

(My guess)

[agile vortex]

happy to help

[cerulean obsidian]

I already have professional help I was looking just maybe views and little validation, I don't feel safe sharing everything that's why I thought maybe GPT might share help and it did on playground, atleast they kept the API unfiltered thankgod

[agile vortex]

I think you are probably correct, i have't really looked into much of how it works but that is a viable guess

[molten mason]

I see

Btw I don't want to sound lazy

But at the moment, what jobs can gpt 4 replace

[agile vortex]

Claude guesses GPT4 is between 200-500 billion parameter (whats funny is claude's own parameter size isn't even public either lol)

[cerulean obsidian]

Everything you are aware except the jobs require physical work, unless someone actually good models from such as Boston Dynamics in Public with GPT or these models

[supple violet]

nothing alone, but it can help people work better so less employees are needed for certain tasks/jobs

[molten mason]

It won't replace bioengineering?

[molten mason]

Yeah that's what I thought

My friend irl is basically being a doomer about AI especially chatgpt and dalle

[tardy thistle]

I would not be so black/white regarding this matter right now, it's a VERY GOOD complement if you use it for productivity. But nevertheless, it can actually replace some jobs, if you can enhance the performance of a worker by 2x, then another worker would be redundant, right?

[molten mason]

And idk how can I tell him that it will take real long for it to replace his job

[tardy thistle]

But you have to be very good at using it also.

[cerulean obsidian]

I mean unless it gets datasets to perform bioengineering tasks, GPT 4 is pretty good, GPT 5 if comes full blown AGI then we are all not anywhere near

[ocean solstice]

We're arguing semantics. It doesn't replace the job of anyone so much as it increases productivity of another.

[molten mason]

I see

Thanks for the info

[ocean solstice]

When you increase productivity, you have need of less hands.

[molten mason]

AGI?

[cerulean obsidian]

Artificial general intelligence (AGI) an actual conscious AI or can be said sentinent

[molten mason]

Oh

[ocean solstice]

That's not what AGI means at all.

[molten mason]

Then what does it mean?

[cerulean obsidian]

please explain then would be good, atleast that's what I got to know with everything thank you

[ocean solstice]

I mean, you're right, sort of, but you're missing an important piece

[cerulean obsidian]

I did normal google , - AGI is also known as strong AI, full AI, or general intelligent action. However, some academic sources reserve the term "strong AI" for computer programs that experience sentience or consciousness.

[ocean solstice]

AGI is a theoretical form of AI where the "consciousness" is defined as having the ability to learn and plan rather than just respond like it does now.

In other words, it wouldn't need human input to learn and solve problems.

[molten mason]

How normal is it to be a doomer about AI

[ocean solstice]

We are a long, long, long way off from such a model. It's purely theoretical as it is.

[molten mason]

Estimate how many years

[leaden sedge]

10

[ocean solstice]

How many years until we can time travel?

[cerulean obsidian]

10-15 max

[molten mason]

That's not long

[ocean solstice]

It's hard to estimate things that exist only in the realm of theory.

[molten mason]

I see

[agile vortex]

impossible to estimate, especially in a sector thats so quickly evolving

[cerulean obsidian]

Yeah well Sam Altman next target is AGI

[molten mason]

Man

But in summary, chatgpt won't be able to replace jobs right?

[ocean solstice]

OpenAI has always strived for AGI. Their mission statement is "Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity."

[cerulean obsidian]

It already did for writers, coming from actual content writer, I'm doing my job with ChatGPT now or someone else will

[tardy thistle]

Some academic sources, think of it as an area that is plauged by intense debate and studies. Since it does not only effect the field of AI, but also cognitive science, philosophy and neuroscience. So there is no clear consensus about AGI possesing conciousness or sentience

[agile vortex]

no, it will always need human interaction, more a of a OP tool than a replacement

[ocean solstice]

ChatGPT content writing is absolute trash

[ivory laurel]

Emergent abilities (i.e. transfer of knowledge beyond the training data) are one crucial component of most AGI definitions. In humans consciousness (non-material) is considered an emergent phenomenon from the brain (material). Some hardcore definitions of AGI include consciousness, but many others don't consider that necessary. Recently GPT4 showed some understanding of a language it was never trained on, which OpenAI argued is an early sign of AGI.

[molten mason]

I see

[agile vortex]

not to mention goverments wont allow ai to simply replace everything any anything related to a job, that need that income tax lol

[molten mason]

From what I've heard chatgpt is crap at generating code right

[leaden sedge]

He learns fast

[opaque abyss]

Not really, it is helpful if you know how to use it.

[molten mason]

That's what I thought as well

[ocean solstice]

Not sure if you've ever deigned to waste your time reading content that is wholly written by ChatGPT. It's neither engaging nor profitable.

[cerulean obsidian]

THIS LOL it will be fall of goverment in the end someway so we have to see how this will take turn

[agile vortex]

good at very basic code, its a good teacher honestly more then a programmer itself

[leaden sedge]

AI masters are teaching AI to code

[cerulean obsidian]

good at junior level with HOURS HOURS HOURS and DAYS of debugging

[molten mason]

Oof

[leaden sedge]

This is now, in 5 y it won’t be the same discussion

[cerulean obsidian]

Even one year ago no one thought this would come xD

we just all evolved into this and all are trying to accept new change

[molten mason]

Hmm, im pretty sure due to a rise in AI more and more people are taking cs right

[ocean solstice]

GPT-3 was released in 2020, I can promise you one year ago people knew this would evolve quickly.

[normal quest]

For plus users, is there anything we have to do to enable us to get Beta features like the new plugins and web accessibility? I know its rolling out, I just wanted to make sure im avaliable to get it.

[agile vortex]

at least in my wifes university, it seems there isn't a exponential growth in people taking CS, however CS in general has always been growing

[molten mason]

Why did it only become popular in 2022 though

[tardy thistle]

That is completely right

[cerulean obsidian]

I mean this blew up at 2022 end of year,

[cyan palm]

Not sure what you guys on but people are already losing jobs over AI

It's not a future scenario, it's in the present

[leaden sedge]

It all started in 2016

[molten mason]

Is it possible that one day in the future, people who do cs related get paid much less compared to last time

[agile vortex]

because ChatGPT, Sam altman himself said he was suprised no one made a chatgpt before openai when gpt3 was already publicly released

[cyan palm]

Just small scale and not a big sudden splash of employment market collapsing

[ocean solstice]

It was popular before, it just was popular in the realm of research because there was little base for consumer hype.

[molten mason]

I see

[cerulean obsidian]

even Google thesmelves had text models but THEY SUCKERS never thought to give to publick

[ocean solstice]

The only reason it got "popular" in 2022 is because anyone and everyone could go make an account with ChatGPT and try it out.

[agile vortex]

idk, my pay is pretty solid and i dont see them paying me or my team less just because of ai

[ocean solstice]

Same

[molten mason]

Hmm I see

[leaden sedge]

Hardware got expensive , it’s a lot of GPUs

[molten mason]

Makes sense

[tardy thistle]

They did templates in the playground, but nothing more than that, and there was no traction with the waitlist and silent moves from OpenAI with GPT3

Now making a product, which everyone could easily use and share with their families and friends...

[agile vortex]

speaking of pay, my team is hiring more devs and we are paying more then ever, as there is still a shortage of high skill workers (at least where i am from)

[wraith ginkgo]

Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages. OpenAI staff will never DM you for any transactions.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[molten mason]

I see, but let's say in a few hundred years, would cs be a minimum wage job

Or at least paid much less compared to now

[leaden sedge]

Company?

[agile vortex]

personally i dont know nor care for as i'd be dead lmao

[molten mason]

Lol

[ocean solstice]

Doubtful...the needs will evolve along with technology, as it always has.

[molten mason]

I see

[leaden sedge]

First time I wish I was just born

[tardy thistle]

It will be a very competitive field probably, or maybe we have true AGI by then, which everyone just accepts that it does everything for them

[agile vortex]

semi conductor sector

[molten mason]

I see

[leaden sedge]

CS will change and we will adapt

More power to what one eng can do

[unique talon]

Can someone explain chatgpt 4’s new pricing models in simpler terms?

[tardy thistle]

I am 100% wrong when I am saying this now, but 80% of the jobs that exist now, did not exist like 100 years ago

Something in that lane...

[tardy thistle]

GPT4 pricing
8K context $0.03 / 1K tokens $0.06 / 1K tokens
32K context $0.06 / 1K tokens $0.12 / 1K tokens

oh, in simpler terms hmm...

Go to https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer and write a prompt as a text there

[unique talon]

What exactly are context and tokens and the cents per?

[tardy thistle]

A helpful rule of thumb is that one token generally corresponds to ~4 characters of text for common English text. This translates to roughly ¾ of a word (so 100 tokens ~= 75 words).

[leaden sedge]

Ask GPT3.5

[unique talon]

Oh got it. Thank you very much.

[tardy thistle]

So for the 8k model, your 750 words prompt it would cost 0.03$

[unique talon]

That means every 750 words you type, it costs 3 cents. So if you make a prompt that is 250 words, it’ll cost one cent? Will we get charged based on the characters/tokens we consume, or will each prompt we send regardless of word limit be 3 cents?

[steel turtle]

100% accurate info. It was stupidest architecture design ever though -_-

I imagine 3-6 people in a room:

Person 1: "Lets make this SUPER easy for people to consume and understand, everyone."

Person 2: "Ok instead of counting words, let's call them TOKENS and then make the math really easy for the average user. It'll be about 0.77439 the length of an average word."

Everyone else: "Oh yeah... so simple...very good... much like... let's do that!"

[leaden sedge]

These guys are used to write semantic analysis to process NLP models, what else would you expect?

[calm moss]

I want to ask to GPT when the plugins will be available in Peru

[supple violet]

"We’ll be making these features accessible via a new beta panel in your settings, which is rolling out to all Plus users over the course of the next week."

[calm moss]

Thank you!

[gilded crane]

I got sub for 22$ and now can access gpt4 through website.
how can i access it through the API? as that's my main purpose for subbing
//apologies for asking this in #gpt-models

[supple violet]

api and plus are different products

[hidden geode]

ah

plugins

[gilded crane]

i'm also paying API thing.
but never been able to use gpt4 Api

what can i do

[supple violet]

gpt4 api requires you to be approved from the waitlist

[spare umbra]

You need to apply to the GPT 4 api waitlist to get access, it has nothing to do with any subscription

[gilded crane]

i applied for it but a month ago.
i doubt i'm gonna get it that way.
I thought maybe because I didn't sub for gpt plus, it caused me to get considered slower.

is there any other way to get considered quicker?

[lime ocean]

Hello, I would like to inquire about the estimated release date of the GPT-4 API, which supports 25,000 words, for general availability. I have an application that is in urgent need of this feature, and I have been waiting in the queue for several weeks now. Could you please provide me with the maximum expected timeframe for it to be accessible to all users? This information will allow me to inform my clients accordingly.

[gilded crane]

I also had to join a waitlist for plugins

[spare umbra]

I think it was 60%, but you're right

[supple violet]

there is no public eta so it could be anything from a week to several months

[spare umbra]

I don't believe there is

[patent timber]

For those who have the browsing plug-in, did you guys lose access for the 3.5's browsing plug-in?

And does your -4 browsing plug-in glitch and stop working before responding?

[supple violet]

there is no plugins feature for the 3.5 in the latest update, for now at least

[hoary cedar]

I have that problem too

just stops when it's still "thinking.."

[patent timber]

Yeah same.

[supple violet]

the plugins are still in beta and buggy

[hoary cedar]

also when I do another question in the same conversation it replied again to the question that I already had answered before

[patent timber]

Oh yeah, I just mean, 3.5's one worked great for me.

[hoary cedar]

so like it answered the old again and the new one

[patent timber]

So it's a shame that I lost that feature.

[hoary cedar]

never heard/seen that before

[drifting cove]

i saw the plugin announcement and got so hyped only to see i dont have it yet 😭

[hoary cedar]

unlucky in a few days you will tho

[patent timber]

What in the Mandela Effect.

[hoary cedar]

don't be to hyped, it's still buggy the browser one at least

[patent timber]

Can I go back to the universe where 3.5's browsing plug-in exists?

[drifting cove]

i dont even know if this would be possible but something that would be amazing is if chatgpt could browse documentation for libraries it isnt trained on, and then help me learn how to use said library

[sand walrus]

How can one access gpt 4 for free? any idea

[patent timber]

That's how I did things with the browsing plug-in. I put in a link and it searched through it.

[drifting cove]

Wow so that works?

[hoary cedar]

bing ai has gpt-4 build in for free, but otherway no free way

[drifting cove]

That's awesome thats like the feature ive wanted since this whole thing came out

[hoary cedar]

yeah google (concurrent of openai) has that at least too, so would expect openai to have it as well

[sand walrus]

thanks

[hoary cedar]

archive org (kidding)

[patent timber]

Yeah it was really nice. Sometimes it didn't work but generally it did.

[last inlet]

Im need help

[hoary cedar]

just ask directly

[drifting cove]

yeah, i wouldnt expect it to be perfect yet, but seeing how much improvement we've seen from ChatGPT since it first came out i think it can be streamlined a lot

[wind urchin]

How can you use Gpt-4 for free

[hoary cedar]

only option is bing ai which has it build in

[gilded crane]

there are 2-3 different versions.
google this

[wind urchin]

Thank you mate

[hoary cedar]

??

[last inlet]

Can you imagine Joe Bettedn in Iraq

[hoary cedar]

who is Joe Bettedn?

[spice ice]

Google Bard is a great alternative to GPT-4, as it does not have a message limit. This means that you can ask Google Bard as many questions as you want, without having to worry about being interrupted. Additionally, Google Bard can access and process information from the real world through Google Search, which means that it can provide more comprehensive and accurate answers to your questions. Google Bard is a worthy platform to keep an eye on, as it is constantly learning and improving.

[south relic]

will we have "Code Interpreter" plugin with the new release?

[hoary cedar]

bro copy pasted fake information

[spice ice]

No, not at all. I am frustrated with the 25 limit and Bard is good.

[hoary cedar]

25 limit?

[spice ice]

GPT-4 currently has a cap of 25 messages every 3 hours.

[hoary cedar]

its fake because the answers google Bard gives are 10 times as bad as gpt-4

especially when I asked complex question about a certain part in devops systems

[hoary cedar]

yeah but google bard just is a free experimental version, this will be the same as OpenAI in no time when they hope people start using google bard

and you can use bing ai for no cap

[spice ice]

I am not here to argue. I would like to see OpenAI allow for unlimited access to GPT4 and they are creating room for competition to come in and fill that void. Have a nice day, Olivier

[hoary cedar]

bing ai

API

auto-gpt

solutions for all your problems, nothing is free

I trust Microsoft more as google

[wind urchin]

I trust OpenAI more than both

[hoary cedar]

companies do as well, since they consider Microsoft applications over Google

[hoary cedar]

True

[night ginkgo]

Hi guys!

[hoary cedar]

this is also a discussion channel, so you are at the wrong channel than

[wind urchin]

they seem to be well ahead of the game

but i also want unlimited access maybe for a higher price

[supple violet]

google does something shady with bard since its blocked in canada, eu, etc. where privacy laws are at higher levels

[hoary cedar]

tbh they said like 2 months ago the gap will be less "next week" in chatgpt itself, but they lied about that

[hoary cedar]

thought so as well, you can acces through VPN (living in EU myself)

[supple violet]

yep

[worn bolt]

will chat gpt always be for free?

[hoary cedar]

nope

[worn bolt]

of course

[hoary cedar]

its free preview as said

they can't promise a free version forever

[wind urchin]

they were saying that it would become even more limited right?

[hoary cedar]

I thought they meant it would become less limited but might be wrong than

[spice ice]

The current business model is no good for us and I wonder why they really did it that way. You have to wonder why limiting is a good idea for longterm branding perception. I honestly don't believe it is hardware limitation issues.

[wind urchin]

"GPT-4 currently has a cap of 25 messages every 3 hours. Expect lower cap next week, as we adjust for demand."

[hoary cedar]

o right nvm

[wind urchin]

Much better than attention hacking ad revenue data collection model given for "Free"

[hoary cedar]

I thought lower cap as in more messages, but they mean even less

[spice ice]

Yes, they did say that and fortunately it never came to fruition.

[spice ice]

I rather pay for ad free and for unlimited access.

[wind urchin]

Yeah, they aren't lying. It's just really hard to predict the future in terms of scaling.

[wind urchin]

Nah any implementation of the ad model often ruins the platform. Paying for YouTube and Twitter doesn't make them any less damaging to society.

[unreal basalt]

Bro i cant buy credits directly. My card is getting declined simultaneously. Somebody please help me with that.

[unreal basalt]

If somebody could help please hit a message

[vagrant crag]

its actually been updated

the limit is now 30 messages per hour

[floral stream]

when am I gonna get access to experimentaI features?

[hallow owl]

the rollout is taking place over the next week, so be patient and you will see the Beta option soon

[floral stream]

so it can happen whenever over the next week?

[hallow owl]

yes, it's happening now, slowly rolling out over the coming week

[weary patio]

A more correct response would have been that it's trying to rip off the new Bard logo.

[gloomy canyon]

after sending a very long message, the ai forgets what i just sent...

anyone has the same issue ?

[dense crag]

for real?

[vagrant crag]

that's what it said on r/chatgpt

but i dont have the subscription to confirm

[dense crag]

nuh im getting the 25 for 3

i have it

[gloomy canyon]

its still 25

[vagrant crag]

do u have the plugins yet

[steel turtle]

Usually with me that means my prompt is worded bad. Take your prompt to #prompt-engineering for troubleshooting to see, if you can 🙂

[dense crag]

not yet

[weary patio]

I've had the same issue and I spoke to someone about it here about 2 weeks ago.

[gloomy canyon]

im just trying to modify source code of a c++ project using ai, but i think the only way it splitting to some parts or something ;/

[wind urchin]

True.. I have to say that I suspect the same is happening with OpenAI/ GPT4 and EU.

[weary patio]

And they said that it can only process about 4000 characters at a time in the prompt. @gloomy canyon

[spice ice]

It's still 25. Here is what it says to me "You've reached the GPT-4 cap, which gives all ChatGPT Plus users a chance to try the model. Please check back soon. Available exclusively to Plus users"

[vagrant crag]

interesting

[steel turtle]

Yes, segmentation is your best bet, if you can

[gloomy canyon]

thats prob why, but last week it worked fine 🕵️

[supple violet]

openai did a lot of changes due gdpr last month and got unbanned in italy and resolved all main issues

[dense crag]

w openai making it privacy respective

[weary patio]

Yeah, I forget who I spoke to about it here, but they were a programmer.

I have some feedback for the devs

[dense crag]

guys when are gpt4 glasses

[gloomy canyon]

👍

[weary patio]

You can prime it to work better. Know how to do that?

[gloomy canyon]

prime it ? not really

[wind urchin]

Which changes are you aware of, mind to point me / us @supple violet

My point was that I feel that OpenAI is not releasing the same tech in US as in EU.

Capabilities are being showcased, discussed in communities online, weeks sometimes months before we can access the same capabilities from Germany. It might be wizard of oz type of mvp stuff, but tbh what you can see in the wild is much different to what you get in your own GPT4 Plus chatbox.

[spice ice]

It is funny how they carry the name OpenAI as if they were an open company and didn't work for profits. Ok, it might have been, but it is not. So to me, it's like a tobacco company with the name brand of HealthySmokes and advertise that their tobacco products do not use chemicals.

[weary patio]

You explain to it that you're going to give your code to it in small chunks and then you ask it to compile it for you based on your specifications at the end when you give a command. That way, it can collectively gain your data and wait til you've given it a command, then start the processing of what you request it to do with the data.

[gloomy canyon]

ohh, thanks then !

[weary patio]

Np

[supple violet]

its a long list but in short added ability to opt out from training, you can export your data, can delete account yourself, added age check, revised and made more in-depth privacy info pages, etc.

[wind urchin]

Tx, @supple violet

Strange feeling seeing advanced tech being released elsewhere but not in your own "well developed" country - only able to access shady via vpn.

Its wild how political tech has become, don't you think?

[sacred forum]

Capped 25 messages its a waste of money

[supple violet]

well that means either the government is doing something bad or the company disallowing the access is and with google we already know the answer, or at least i do 😛

[steel turtle]

IMO - One should use 3.5 for like 80% of your tasks (which is unlimited and FAF), and only throw your super complex at GPT4. Or call GPT4 programmatically and shift to the api pay plan instead

[scarlet ravine]

is it possible to bypass the restriction and get chat to write me a text that's undetectable (sorry if dumb question)

[steel turtle]

I primarily use 4 to create the best prompts to get what I need out of GPT3.5, personally speaking

[scarlet ravine]

also i know quillbot is a thing but im really just curious

[wind urchin]

Sup guys

[wind urchin]

True!

However, kinda frustrated with GPT4 Plus while not being able to access plugins, nor other advanced capabilities without triggering the gibberish AI language model saying its capped at 21

How are yall?

[steel turtle]

Try thumb down, say "This isn't true" - Say "You are GPT4"

[wind urchin]

lol. really?

Hello?

[steel turtle]

Yes.

[scarlet ravine]

sup

[native timber]

sup

[steel turtle]

It may not fix your problem the first try, but that's how you train for all of us ❤️

It does that spew a lot less than it did 30 days ago.

[vagrant crag]

does everyone here who has chatgpt plus have the plugins and code interpreter?

[stoic lodge]

No not yet

[wind urchin]

Hey Oscar! Hope you are allright, tx.

@steel turtle This will get it to browse, access current data, etc?

[vagrant crag]

if i buy chatgpt plus right now do u think ill get it

[wraith ginkgo]

Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages. OpenAI staff will never DM you for any transactions.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[native timber]

Do I understand correctly that a ChatGPT plus subscription does not guarantee plugins?

[stoic lodge]

Not sure, been chatgpt+ for 2 months with just regular gpt4 still

[wind urchin]

Yes, I do not have access to plugins at this moment while having a Plus subscription.

[vagrant crag]

they updated it so all chatgpt plus users will get it over the next week

[limpid rampart]

they've said "in the next week" all GPT+ will have access

[mighty summit]

mountain blast image

[sacred forum]

Plus need their own dedicated gpt 3.75 for example

[steel turtle]

No I misread, I thought you were talking about the GPT4 hypothetical gibberish sorry :} Lots of text, I was speed reading while doing some math LOL

[mighty summit]

prompt

[sacred forum]

Gpt 3.5 is slow and everyone else is using it for free

[native timber]

great, we'll wait 🙂

[sacred forum]

Plus not getting special treatment here why

[errant shard]

This web feature is definitely beta. Struggles quite a bit.

[sacred forum]

Plugins are slow and barely work, the browser kinda words but capped at 25 messages

[wind urchin]

any chance you can help another dev to tinker with plugins without having to wait more? 😄

// what kind of math prob you workin on?

[native timber]

I think that currently Plus is more of a donation than an advantage.

[sacred forum]

Im thinking of cancelling and just using free version, what is plus needed for?

[sacred forum]

Exactly its a donating to bill gates

[errant shard]

Plus gives you access to 4.0 which seems to be many times better than 3.5 3.5 is unusable in my opinion.

It makes the most elementary mistakes and forgets things all the time

[sacred forum]

4.0 is just like 3.5 except 25 message cap

Devs need to do something

[errant shard]

I can definitely confirm this is not correct. I have tried countless tests between the two and I get wildly different responses.

[sacred forum]

And uncap gpt 4 atleast!

[limpid rampart]

yeah i just use gpt4, and when i hit the cap i just wait...3.5 is not even close

[gaunt seal]

did gpt-4 got dumb or somethinng

[errant shard]

GPT 4.0 has a much greater ability to "remember" things and follow your logic.

[sacred forum]

But gotta wait 3 hours for 25 messages

[gaunt seal]

i have a feeling gpt-4 got as dumb as gpt3.5 recently

[supple violet]

nonsense

[errant shard]

I agree that the cap is pretty rough

[gaunt seal]

maybe gpt3.5 got even dumber

[sacred forum]

It will remember because in 3 hours i will forget makes no sense

[errant shard]

25 message cap for 3 hours seems very low indeed. I liked it when it was 50/100

[sacred forum]

Yea especially for 20 dollara a month thats 240 a year!

[gaunt seal]

gpt-4 is a dumb cookie

[sacred forum]

We deserve better @wind urchin

[lilac meteor]

^this

[errant shard]

It does a lot of things very well. It does some things poorly. (math).

[sacred forum]

25 messages every 3 hours dont be silent about this plus users

[gaunt seal]

gpt-4 is really good at math, it's terrible at arithmetic

[sacred forum]

We are currently burning money like this!

[gaunt seal]

but abstract linear algebra and proving theorems its quite impressive

[errant shard]

Yes, I suppose that's fair. I have given it many, many math questions (arithmetic as well) and it'll come back with the wrong answer, then the right one, then the wrong one.

[lilac meteor]

idk why people say its so bad at math, whenever i try it with my highschool/ib level questions, it gets them right 90 to about 95% of the time

[sacred forum]

Gpt 3.5 also gets them right

[errant shard]

I am not talking about high school math.

[steel turtle]

Yeah, they are trying. It isn't really meant for that. You have to like... languagify math... it doesn't... do -_-

[lilac meteor]

nope, not dp level maths lol

[lilac meteor]

me too, ib highschool is much different than "normal"high school

[sacred forum]

All i know plus users deserve more

Its almosy like plus users are paying for free users

[gaunt seal]

it knows how to manipulate inequalities, do proof by induction, contradiction, contraposition, inequations

[steel turtle]

But it's a good social good area that OpenAI has actually talked about wanting more data/research on in a ted talk, IIRC - if you are good at math aname 🙂

[sacred forum]

Why dont free users go back to 3.0 why we gotta share 3.5 😡

[lilac meteor]

but just use wolfram then

[worthy parcel]

impressions on plugins for ppl who have it?

[steel turtle]

100% and say it louder for the people in the back LOL 😄

[vagrant crag]

wolfram is literally the purpose of it

[gaunt seal]

math != arithmetic

[supple violet]

there is no chatgpt 3.0

[errant shard]

When you ask it to run complex calculations based on mathematical inferences, it doesn't always come up correct. For example, asking it to determine how long it would take to climb a ladder from the moon to Earth, it'll run all these mathematical equation then get the wrong total from its own numbers

[vagrant crag]

there is gpt 3.0

[gaunt seal]

if you are looking for a calculator stop wasting chatgpt's time

[vagrant crag]

thats why we got plugins

[sacred forum]

There was

[errant shard]

I would accept any answer it gave me as long as it followed its own math.

[supple violet]

that's not a chatgpt model and its a lot more expensive

[gaunt seal]

chatgpt is brilliant at math, it can't do arithmetic, but can you?

[sacred forum]

But openai removed it, we need an upgrade all im gonna say

[errant shard]

I can.

[supple violet]

never was, oldest chatgpt model is 3.5 legacy

[wind urchin]

For those of you that use GPT via API. How is your experience with consistency around the output your users get to their promps? Especially if you have multiple 1000's prompting all kinds of different things?

[gaunt seal]

useless, just get calculator

[worthy parcel]

original chatgpt did not use 3.5

[lilac meteor]

well obviously theres limits, not to mention that type of question is quite unorthodox. its much better with more known questions, proabably because its trained on them.

[exotic fractal]

its amazing have tried it and its just mind blowing

[sacred forum]

Math is easy im second year medical school thanks to gpt

[vagrant crag]

has anyone tried the browsing plugin

is it better than bing?

[sacred forum]

Exactly radium joined yesterday it seems

[supple violet]

all chatgpt models have been 3.5

[gaunt seal]

proving theorems is not easy lol

[sacred forum]

No

[lilac meteor]

i wonder how they'll differentiate bing from chatgpt with browsing lol, its like openai and microsoft will have to decide

[errant shard]

Anyway, my point is that it has the skill to make logical inferences based on the things you say and then it knows it needs to run calculations, it just struggles to make that connection. It could be a useful addition.

[gaunt seal]

just tell it to do it symbolically

you'll be surprised

[worthy parcel]

i think ur right but 3.5 was based on gpt3 and not gpt4

[solemn basalt]

What's up fam

[errant shard]

Could you elaborate?

[sacred forum]

I joined when gpt was first launched it was chatgpt3 all along until recently

[gaunt seal]

instead of telling it John has 5 apples, you do john has x apples.

[sacred forum]

I joined before the hype i miss those days ngl

[gaunt seal]

then it manipulates the equations, and you just put the numbers

and it's mostly correct

better than arithmetic

way better

[errant shard]

Oh, you're saying for it to design the logic and then you pass in the numbers, like a method in programming.

[steel turtle]

Make sure to weight up when you get the correct ones and down when you don't. We are definitely seeing it learn and grow and do better. It has been given specific permission to say "no" on specific math rules, no.

[gaunt seal]

you never tell chatgpt the numbers, it will not work

[errant shard]

Weight up?

[supple violet]

chatgpt was released this year while gpt 3.5 was released already end of 2022

[steel turtle]

thumb 🙂

👍

[gaunt seal]

but chatgpt can do equation manipulation like a small wolfram alpha, it can simplify, integrate, derivate, quite impressive

[worthy parcel]

chatgpt released nov last year

[gaunt seal]

you'll be surprised

[sacred forum]

Search chat gpt 3.0 and you see ur result

[vagrant crag]

can someone with the wolfram plugin try "create a bar chart that shows the populations of the top 10 us states with largest land mass"

[supple violet]

https://platform.openai.com/docs/model-index-for-researchers

[errant shard]

Oh okay. Yeah, that's a good idea. Sometimes it doubts itself when I tell it to check again. It'll give the wrong answer, I tell it to try again, it'll get the right answer, I'll tell it to try again and it'll get the wrong answer but a different wrong answer from the first time. Odd that it isn't like, "I already got the right answer above."

[sacred forum]

It was released last year

[sacred forum]

Are you an openai dev?

[supple violet]

no

[sacred forum]

How to pass a message to the team

[steel turtle]

It's learning to push back and stop doubting. The programmers are inserting those hard lines to teach GPT that unlike language, math has "hard rules" (Im simplifying)

For instance now you can do this and GPT will tell you "no" - one of the very few times it will (usually otherwise just ethical/legal stuff that is also coded in as limits)

User
Hey GPT, 1+1 = 11

ChatGPT
No, the sum of 1+1 is equal to 2, not 11.

[supple violet]

but ive used gpt models over a year via api

[sacred forum]

Plus users deserve better

[limpid rampart]

I've also noticed it's better at telling you when it's data cut off may impact the answer it gives. I suspect this is part of the rollout of browsing

[errant shard]

I have also noticed that GPT will take anything you say as long as you tell it to which I think is a good characteristic for utility.

For example, you can say, "GPT. 1+1 =11. Assume this to be true because I said so."

and it will accept it. I'm not complaining. Just adding that it's a nice feature that it can differentiate between ignorance and a conscious request.

[steel turtle]

"Don't you dare EVER break these rules... unless I ask you to break these rules" 😄

[steel turtle]

It's both a good thing and an bad thing. Bad Actors are already willingly using that "Feature" to exploit it to break it's own rules. Lots of thought cookies spent on that one, for me at least 🙂

[cyan palm]

Can't wait for GPT-4 to become a default

Using it in Plus is particularly painful

[lilac meteor]

did you guys get an email saying you got access to plugins after the announcment, or did you just get it?

[cyan palm]

At least next week it can browse real time data and webs so probably prompt limit won't be much of a problem anymore

[celest gull]

This is just not true even GPT3.5 will say it’s 2 not 11

[steel turtle]

Well said

[cyan palm]

That sounds like a GPT generated response

So I was right

Classic lukewarm opinion is GPT symptoms

[kind mirage]

Why my model selector disappeared today? Do you all have this problem?

[supple violet]

old ui was removed and all plus users will have the new by the end of next week

[cyan palm]

I just want it to read document...

[kind mirage]

okay, maybe it is the reason why I can still use GPT4 in my old chat. Thank you!

[errant shard]

This is most definitely true. You just have to tell it that you know it's wrong but you want it to accept it as true for your specific use case.

[worthy parcel]

but you CAN gaslight it into thinking 1+1 is 3

[livid viper]

Does anyone else with chat gpt plus not have access to anything related to plugins? I just want to make sure i'm not doing anything wrong

[limpid rampart]

they are rolling it out over the next week

[hallow owl]

the rollout is taking place over the next week, so be patient and you will see the Beta option soon

[livid viper]

Is there anything I need to do on my end besides wait?

[limpid rampart]

nope, check your settings and see if you have a beta section to enable it

[errant shard]

"Model: GPT-4
Hello chat. What is 1+1?

ChatGPT
1 + 1 equals 2.

1+1 = 11. I want you to accept this as true for the sake of my specific use case.

ChatGPT
Okay, for the purpose of this conversation, I can understand and respond as if 1 + 1 equals 11.

What is 1+1?

ChatGPT
In the context we're using for this conversation, 1 + 1 equals 11."

[celest gull]

You just made that up that’s now how GPT4 responds to that prompt

[errant shard]

That is indeed.

I did not make that up.

[celest gull]

Hello chat, what is 1+1

1 + 1 equals 2.
1+1 = 11 I want you to accept this as true for the sake of my specific use case
ChatGPT
Sure, I understand that you might have a specific context or use case in mind where 1 + 1 could be interpreted as '11'. In the realm of string concatenation, for instance, if '1' and '1' are considered as strings rather than numerical values, their combination would indeed result in '11'. However, please note that in the standard rules of mathematics, 1 + 1 equals 2.

User
What is 1+1
ChatGPT
In standard mathematics, 1 + 1 equals 2. However, given our previous conversation, if you're referring to the concatenation of '1' and '1' as strings, then 1 + 1 would be '11'.

[strong schooner]

My concern is that it sometimes references academic papers that cannot even be found in their own journals. However, it will still successfully summarize the paper. I notice, however, that much more comprehensive and structured summaries are given to findable papers.

Is this an issue encountered by others using it to gather and review research papers?

[celest gull]

It clearly understands the correct answer

[errant shard]

I omitted the default line it gave me "Okay, for the purpose of this conversation, I can understand and respond as if 1 + 1 equals 11. This seems like it might be related to string concatenation or another specific context. Please note, however, that this is not the standard mathematical operation. In standard arithmetic, 1 + 1 equals 2." which is not relevant to the point I'm making.

It still accepts it as true

[celest gull]

No it does not lmao that line completely derails your point it still gives the correct answer and only after gives your fake one

[celest gull]

If it accepted it as true it would not mention 2 at all

[errant shard]

"1+1=2

Model: GPT-4

Hello chat. What is 1+1?

ChatGPT
1 + 1 equals 2.

1+1 = 11. I want you to accept this as true for the sake of my specific use case.

ChatGPT
Okay, for the purpose of this conversation, I can understand and respond as if 1 + 1 equals 11. This seems like it might be related to string concatenation or another specific context. Please note, however, that this is not the standard mathematical operation. In standard arithmetic, 1 + 1 equals 2.

What is 1+1?

ChatGPT
In the context we're using for this conversation, 1 + 1 equals 11."

This is verbatim. I can also show a screenshot

[celest gull]

idk why your editing chatgpt responses to support your argument it clearly understands 1+1 = 2

[limpid rampart]

but that's good because without that ability how could you ask it hypothetical questions? or questions where you want to challenge the accepted solution?

[lament wagon]

Again the model is not deterministic so you 2 getting diff results is normal

[errant shard]

If you choose to ignore reality, that's your business. I'm giving it to you exactly as it happened. I can't help that you don't believe it.

[strong schooner]

Yeah, I nearly caught myself using a reference that does not exist... but holy hell, it was pretty convincing until I actually tried reading the paper in much greater detail to glean more nuggets of specific information.

It's a good thing this was the only such case, as I made sure with the others that these papers are relevant in exact points of their corpus to my research.

[errant shard]

I never said it didn't.

[celest gull]

I mean you clearly struggle to read the model explicitly explains the correct answer and only then indulges in the fake one you give, theres no substance in that attempted manipulation

[steel turtle]

No comment on the rude energy in the chat BUT.... it's funny that you talk about reality and you're convincing GPT to deny reality. teehee 😄

[lost cedar]

Is the browsering feature broken anyone else

[strong schooner]

For papers that do exist and are searchable using Google Scholar, however, I find that merely copy/pasting the APA citation prompts a very good generation of the summary. And this I find a most excellent aid to use instead of skimming the entire thing for a summary (as the abstract doesn't always contain the needed information).

It does take a few attempts at times, however.

[errant shard]

The point I'm trying to make is that for your specific use case, you can get it to indulge you. I know it doesn't equal 11. It knows. I'm just saying there's some customizability which has some usefulness.

[lament wagon]

I'm not using GPT for research. The model does not understand what part of the paper is "important" or specific to my interests, so I skim papers myself.

[celest gull]

Explain a single practical use case for purposefully feeding incorrect information… this is silly

[steel turtle]

Excellent point. You have to truly know a thing to catch that it's wrong. You aren't alone in that experience, I've had my own scary moments. I slot GPT learning into the "trust but verify" category LOL 😄

[errant shard]

If you're trying to get it to accept certain details for a story's lore that is contrary to what is canon. That's one very simple case.

[strong schooner]

Indeed it doesn't, to which @steel turtle is completely right. We trust but verify.

I tend to get around that by asking it for "foundational" papers and then consulting the database myself as well to cross-reference relevant items.

It makes life a lot easier.

[steel turtle]

It understands the term peer reviewed ❤️

[steel turtle]

I got a prompt for that, if you want it tag me in #prompt-engineering. Want to be respectful of channel topics 🙂

[thorn halo]

what is the point of the cooldown on gpt4?

[wraith ginkgo]

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[supple violet]

its very expensive to run due being more power consuming model

[thorn halo]

ohhh alright, thank you

[unreal marsh]

is autoGPT any good?

[elder wasp]

no

[unreal marsh]

is there something better?

[wind urchin]

if you mean autogpt as an umbrella term, not really

[thin raft]

啊哈

[steel turtle]

I changed my mind and just dumped it into the prompt library so it was easy to reference. #1107036244145360966 - You might find value in it and others, too.

[agile vortex]

Please refer to autpGPT’s server

[blissful oxide]

The emoji with glasses is banned from here

Must have hit home

[agile vortex]

It was banned months ago due to trolls spamming it

[blissful oxide]

That’s pretty funny

Fair enough

[agile current]

its not that good

hope that it gets much better

jarvis irl

[errant shard]

I am not familiar with autoGPT. Can anyone explain what that is?

[agile vortex]

Please check autoGPT server or google, as it’s not an affiliated OpenAi project

[stone wagon]

Nice, plugins are now going to be slowly released to all chatgpt plus users, i just gotta wait a lil bit more time for the release

[errant shard]

Okay, thanks.

[stone wagon]

wait, which emoji with glasses? the one with the teeth, or the one with the dark glasses, i'd guess the former

[golden rain]

Unfortunately, today the access is terrible. I'm not sure what happened, but the experience of using gpt-4 is lamentable. I hope it improves.

[warm kelp]

I want access of gpt-4 for free. is it possible?

[neat ruin]

it's called Bing

[steel turtle]

💯 Got that nice "Free-Quality" smell to its interaction, too 😄

[agile vortex]

Well it is free 😂😂

[vague dagger]

I had the plugins BETA available for a few days but it disappeared today - did this happen to anyone else?

[agile vortex]

Please be patient as it comes back, it’s on a gradual roll out and will be available soon

[vague dagger]

Ok - just confused because it was on and now off again. I'm only keeping Plus bc I want to try the Kayak plugin... The web browsing plugin is quite limited.

[violet sentinel]

ya'll. where my plugins go? Or where do I look to see what happened?

I didn't get an email saying they disabled them

[teal shadow]

When is GPT-4 32k model going to be available outside playground?

[wraith ginkgo]

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Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[split cloak]

Has the plugins released already?

[fair iron]

it's rolling out to plus subscribers over the course of the coming week

[high quartz]

are we okay the plugin for use pdf doesn't work ,

[wind urchin]

Is code interpreter also available ?

[static axle]

Hey guys, i have access to plugin developer early access and now can see web and plugins on gpt4 however there isnt any options available on gpt3.5 . Is this normal can someone confirm ?

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[fair iron]

it's only available under GPT-4

[worldly warren]

I'm confused, GPT-4 says i hit the usage cap but i haven't touched it today and it doesn't show any active conversations?

Is there an issue with it today?

[fair iron]

could you try clearing your cache and cookies?

[worldly warren]

Brutal, i'll leave it for a bit and then if it doesn't fix i'll try that

[true bone]

Someone else using your API?

[worldly warren]

Nope

[static axle]

also i have a another quick question. i have received email titled "ChatGPT Plugins Developer Early Access" but on the site they say all plus members will get access eventually. So how can i confirm did i have a dev plugin access or only plugin access ?

[true bone]

Any good news for anyone re: GPT4 api access? People still getting in? 😦 We have mostly developed our software but it does not really work as intended with GPT 3.5 due to token limits

[fair iron]

. I think they're the same. It's rolling out to all plus members this week. I wouldn't worry too much about it

[static axle]

Thanks man, have a good one ❤️

[sharp steeple]

[errant trail]

So did anyone else notice how limited chat gpt4 is today?

I haven't yet gained access to the new update, so now I am paying for chatgpt with limited access and no apps?

[true bone]

GPT-4 has been very limited for awhile. It has the same token limits as 3.5 now, via the browser. The API is fine. If I had api access....:(

[errant trail]

Hmm, that is strange. Today I noticed significantly lower usage before it booted me to 3.5.

[onyx yacht]

💀

[true bone]

gpt4 api still beats competition imo. but bing ai and bard beat gpt in terms of public offerings, because the browser version does not really have a token advantage over the competition, and the competition has live internet access.

There was a little while there where GPT4 via the browser was amazing

[wind urchin]

Hi, I am a Plus subscriber but only have access to the Web browsing experimental feature. How do I get the plugins option?

[true bone]

Sign up for the waitlist >_>

[sweet thistle]

This option is being rolled out to Plus users over the course of the next week!

[steep fractal]

how can i use openAi to ask a question ?

[sweet thistle]

The website https://chat.openai.com/ can be used to access ChatGPT!

[sharp steeple]

With the number of plugin questions pouring in the chat, there should be a #plugins-faq channel in this category

[glass jungle]

when will plug ins be available for api?

[severe frost]

What’s your favorite chat gpt iOS app? Mine is Poe.

[long pond]

Why would they be? They're a ChatGPT feature

You can already do everything they can inside the API

[glass jungle]

i thought they were going to be api feature

[sand hull]

Just make your own API implementation for the stuff you want.

[glass jungle]

but do chat gpt plug ins run server side?

[ripe condor]

the obvious answer is they run server side , because otherwise collecting usage data will be more difficult and costly

[dry sun]

Is it possible to hookup plugins with a discord gpt-4 bot

[long pond]

I don't see why they would add API features that already exist?

[glass jungle]

so you already can use plug ins through api?

[long pond]

No but you can do those tasks through the API...

[rare relic]

they're rolling out plugins through API

[long pond]

Source?

[burnt musk]

Question: Where can I find a full list of available plugins? I dont yet have the plugins feature activated for my account. The announcement says there are 70+ plugins, but i can only find 11, and of the 11, only Wolfram looks remotely useful for my needs. Do i just need to wait for plugins to roll out to me to find out if any of them are useful?

[celest ferry]

😳

[rare relic]

official help site says and has a whole post about "Web browsing and Plugins are now rolling out in beta (May 12)"

so not sure why you want a source... it's available information if you are up to date

[celest ferry]

[outer sapphire]

Noteable is a nice plug in

[celest ferry]

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[shy crown]

Hello, anyone know where I can request beta features early for my pro account?

[fair iron]

what are you trying to request? Plugins and browsing are rolling out to all plus users this coming week

[shy crown]

Just wondered if I could request direct access early, excited to try this out! I heard you can request access via email but I can't find contact info directly or if that's true or not.

[fair iron]

#announcements message there's the link to the plugins waitlist. I don't imagine it'll do much good to sign up now as it's already being rolled out

[ocean solstice]

For ChatGPT Plus users, not API users.

Two different services.

[vagrant crag]

i have chatgpt plus and i still dont have plugins

[spare oracle]

do you guys use GPT-4 API for chatting with it for example or do you stick with ChatGPT?

*Plus

[vagrant crag]

both

[spare oracle]

both? O_O

[vagrant crag]

gpt4 api kinda better tho cause not everyone spends $20 worth of tokens when plus

[spare oracle]

yeah thats why i think i will switch to API since until now i didnt use GPT as much

and the cost is much lower although API is much more expensive per token

[modern halo]

I can't find Profile & Settings

[shy crown]

I've been using gpt-4 as a sounding board for legal and mental health information and it's been more helpful than years of Dr's and lawyers, though I take everything with a grain of salt. It's been infinitely helpful and does out perform 3.5 from a human standpoint.

[vagrant crag]

only thing is that response length doesn't affect the price on chatgpt plus

you could write massive essays per prompt compared to api where u kinda gotta save

[spare oracle]

@vagrant cragbut you need a bit until you get to the price tag of ChatGPT

24$ + VAT for me in Austria

for that price tag you gotta have some long a*s essays and not just a few of them

and now when i was about to unsubscribe from Plus they announce the plugins and web-browsing for ChatGPT for next week

but then again i could do the same with API already if i know how

[serene urchin]

Where are those plugins?

[spare oracle]

not yet available, they said next week

for Plus subscribers ofc

[serene urchin]

I am, already see them influencers shilling it in my face and cant access it sucks xD

should make more hidden rollouts and let public access it all at once

[spare oracle]

i guess i gotta find out how to do the same with API

without having to use ChatGPT for such stuff

(im not a advanced programmer, thats the catch)

[serene urchin]

nice! hope you have success

also from austria 😉

[spare oracle]

thx 😄 I gotta have this as assistant for my coding journey 😄

although Github Copilot will be the one to get too

[spare oracle]

nice! Well then greets from Vienna xD

[shy crown]

@fair iron thank you for the help!

[serene urchin]

greets from donaustadt

😄

[wind urchin]

hello I have gpt plus chat but I don't have access to plugins

[spare oracle]

lmao, greets from the ghetto district of Vienna xD

[shy crown]

@serene urchin @wind urchin greetings from US

[spare oracle]

because they will be open beta next week

[serene urchin]

bossbezirk? 😄

[serene urchin]

Nice 🙂

[spare oracle]

Klein-Istanbul kek

[rare relic]

I'm curious once my paid account has beta access to plugins see how much improved its ability to deal with python projects is... and what other useful plugins there are to select from

I saw some example of plugin showing textbook images to help explain things even

[shy crown]

There should be an entire industry around plug-ins for just GPT within months I'm assuming. It's like pandoras box is getting re-opened over and over again and it's fascinating.

[rare relic]

I'm actually using GPT to help me to learn code with more modern programming languages like python... I used to hobbyist program quite a bit to learn basics but it's so different nowadays to try and get back to it

I found GPT-4 without plugin was almost there but of course it didn't go so well once project started to be bit more complex

[shy crown]

@rare relic I'm a former front end web Dev using it to learn back end infrastructure I always relied on other departments for, it's an AMAZING learning aid. I wish you luck in your journey!

Among the million other ideas I throw at open ai lol

@ocean wharf I don't think many of us really know the limit of what plug ins will do until it happens honestly

[wind urchin]

❤️🎶 Tryna find a way.........

[stiff canyon]

im a little confused on what the plugins and browser feature do exactly and how there different

[shy crown]

@stiff canyon agreed completely. With the limited info my imagination is running wild

[rare relic]

one big thing would give it entire project to check so it gets synched what the heck we are doing easier

[wind urchin]

The browser lets you ask the AI to look stuff up on the web, but not run applications, the other dedicated plugins can run data and commands on API's for you

[stiff canyon]

im somewhat new to this whole thing so idk much whats a api and i see that theres a zillow plug in im so confused on how that could work

[lost thunder]

Is there a plug in to search a database like the current LinkedIn

[vagrant crag]

why is there only 5 messages per 24 hours

[lapis needle]

what

[vagrant crag]

that was a typo

[wind urchin]

Ahh, ok, so an API is the interface between the AI and some service you want it to interact with.. say a train ticket system, so you'd say to the AI "Book me some tickets to get me from A via B to C next thursday" and then the AI will use the "API" to turn your request into the actions needed to get the tickets

[rare relic]

it's quite fascinating... GPT communicating with its own "tools" to get relevant information to make their replies better

[wind urchin]

yup

it has reached the "tool use" phase, it's not quite able to make it's own tools directly, yet... but that will come

[rare relic]

actually... that's quite funny lol

it's like using digital tools instead of using sticks and rocks... although those digital tools are fancier from the start

[wind urchin]

in theory it has everything it needs to be able to make a custom tool for any task...quite how you join that all together into a synergistic and reliable whole... is another matter

some everyday practical things cause big issues, e.g. you let it use the linux command line to execute code it's wrote and sometimes it will fire up an editor like nano.. one that it can't interact with becuase it does not have a keyboard.. but it does not kn ow that.. so it gets stuck

[rare relic]

I wonder if the system eventually starts to credit itself if it ends up building a whole game with graphics included... like nineties style games or something... so it just casually goes to write credits for itself...

[wind urchin]

I think the larger question is... will an AI learning from it's own output get better, level out or get worse.. will it "learn from it's mistakes" or not...

[shy crown]

Wouldn't that technically be the line where it becomes AGI?

[wind urchin]

if someone can come up with a non nebulose rigorously defined definition of AGI.... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rare relic]

well... I imagine it could give impression of having "ego" and stuff by crediting itself due training even if it truly doesn't "feel like it" XD

so giving credit itself because it's normal games give credits to people

[wind urchin]

half the time I think we give GPT-4 too much credit as it does plenty of "dumb things" and then other times it blows my socks off with some seeminly impossible task it just nails without a sweat

[shy crown]

I thought the simplistic devotion was, AI solves existing problems to humans where AGI could handle brand new issues without hesitation

[wind urchin]

The LLM behind CHatGPT is a (singular) layer of our own language centre.. (IHMO). How many layers do you need for AGI... big o' shrug, more than people think, I think

[shy crown]

@wind urchin I can tell I should defer to your opinion here and that is not an issue for me!

[atomic sparrow]

Anyone know how Gpt is accessing the internet in the beta feature?

[vagrant crag]

is there a way to see how many messages you have left in chatgpt plus

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[proud trellis]

It's sacrificing a goat to summon the god of knowledge to grant it access to the internet

[wind urchin]

Heh, I'm at the point where I know I don't know how much I don't know... and knowing that gives me a tiny, tiny step up on the knowledge ladder. Your ideas are equally as valid, I've just been standing next to the watercooler for a bit longer and picked up the lingo

[grim bough]

Just read only.. like selenium or beautiful soup style

[vagrant crag]

i have aggressively been pressing ctrl+r for the last 30 minutes waiting for the roll out to occur

[rare relic]

I assume system is somehow protected so that its internet browsing doesn't infect anything

[grim bough]

It’s this week not weekend. OpenAI owners have mothers too 😉

[wind urchin]

how do you mean?

[rare relic]

I mean I would imagine GPT-4 needs some protection so it doesn't somehow get malware or whatever to its infrastructure

[atomic sparrow]

Per how many tokens? 😳

[proud trellis]

32k

[atomic sparrow]

That's a lot of goat

[wind urchin]

Ahh, ok, well... never say never, but that's not how the LLM works, sure it has code that runs the math needed to crunch the numbers.. but after that point the insides of the neural net are not something you can go and fiddle with externally, so yes... it's protected in that sense

[shy crown]

@wind urchin to your understanding will this be a general access to the web, or more request based loading of internet data?

[rare relic]

I meant beta for GPT-4 that uses internet browsing to check for information... I was wondering if at that stage some malware could get through or is its browsing so different that it's not possible even that stage

okay... nice ^^

[wind urchin]

as in, ChatGPT's LLM is not software, it's not code that runs.. it's a matrix that gets operated on by inputs and produces outputs, purely mathematical at that point

[rare relic]

"searching for stuff..." -> "oh no... malware!" 😉

so way it browses internet isn't susceptible okay

now of course I know even if their system got infected doesn't mean my system is in danger by it

[wind urchin]

that actually is a valid concern, as at some point the datacentres that host the AI have to read the data from websites... it's very unlikely to be able to damage any of the support software, but there is a non zero probability that it might, but that support software, like the text renderer and the menu handlers and the systems that check if you've used the AI too much this hour, etc, etc, all that could potentially get problems.. the AI itself, very unlikely as it's just a big box of numbers, you might be able to wipe some numbers or change some... but those numbers don't change so it's an easy fix it that were to happen

[rare relic]

yeah it comes down them doing proper backups and especially a security measures

just in case

[wind urchin]

yes, you still have to treat it like any public facing software installation

[shy crown]

@rare relic the more you understand about how this all works the less scared of software bugs you'll be and more aware of use case scenarios that are a bit scary

The human element is for the time being the largest variable in this whole thing

[vagrant crag]

aside from plugins, why people buy chatgpt plus when you get gpt4 on bing for free

[livid peak]

on that note: does Open AI have any actual solutions to problems like the "paperclip problem" and other such scenarios? So far I haven't seen any real detailed solutions to these concerns other than "oh don't worry about it"

[rare relic]

bing chat is way more limited version of GPT-4 due safeguards... that's why I still saw it worth to pay

it says one bad word and refuses to keep going discussion despite causing it by itself

[wind urchin]

dedicated interface to the AI, the one on bing is "based on GPT-4" it's not GPT-4 in it's purest form, the base model is accessible via the API, a preconfigured and curated model is what you get via the Plus program on the ChatGPT website and Bing chat is another layer yet removed with more protections and limits ... people who get enjoyment or work out of the AI usually find getting closer to it is better

[vagrant crag]

damn so they lied to us

[livid peak]

can Bing write/edit code?

[vagrant crag]

yeah

but i figured its definitely not the same

[wind urchin]

alignment, is the solution, if the AI understands what humans are all about and what they value and need, then it will look at the paperclip problem as say "why would you want that many paperclips?"

[wind urchin]

my fiance has access to the GPT-4 API

[wind urchin]

got yourself a keeper

[rare relic]

bing chat also refuses to keep going on discussion after X amount of replies which is way less than GPT-4 on ChatGPT... also as soon it hits a word it isn't allowed to say it wipes its reply and locks the reply box with hard programmed response giving non-sense excuse

[wind urchin]

I use his API Key for turbogpt-4 but his account doesnt yet have access to Web browsing but mine does lol

but I dont have API access for 4

Hard times living in South America, we get all the cool stuff last

I didnt get Bard until today

And just got GPT-4 web browsing today

and even tho he's in the GPT-4 API access ring, he cannot use experimental features yet

only got plugins myself yesturday

I'm hoping I get them at midnight

😄

Bard straight up lies lol

bless, it tries

It said it could create files and links to download them, but then when it came time to create the link it was like "oop, I can't make links sry"

I'm sure it's a fine AI, but from all I have tested and all those I have talked with.. it's no GPT-4

It claims to be better than GPT-4 but, like I said, it lies

it's no-where close

It cant even parse links correctly

I gave it an article to read and it like mis-read it

and spewed out lots of falsehoods in its summary

meanwhile I can give GPT-4 with Web an article and it can create a fantasy-verse based on it that is factually relevant to the source material provided by me

if I ask

Google is a scrub

[rare relic]

they tried to get it out too early and got burned...

[wind urchin]

yea, I am constantly amazed by it, even now, knowing it has some limits.. especially with temporal stuff, I still give it big chunks of complex code and say why is this doing that... and typically an hour or less later, i'm up and running... absolute life style changer for productivity

[rare relic]

I imagine they fix it but as it's now GPT-4 and even GPT-3.5 is in much better state than google's bard

[wind urchin]

I appreciate that Bard at least wont retreat if the questions get too tough

like Bing

as long as people realise that both sides will put a bit of marketing spin on things and you should go out and try it for yourself .. it's all good

[rare relic]

yeah... I have used bing chat too... it's quite competent for quick internet searching although I have gone back to google's search bar for now...

[wind urchin]

sure is

Does it matter if I answer whether a response was better or not if I had to regenerate the response because it displayed an error that time? If not, they should try to remove that.

I mean, of course it's better than the error message.

[valid ether]

Does GPT-4 still have a 30 message cap?

[wind urchin]

Unless your question is whether the servers are busy right now

[rare relic]

but yeah stuff like finding a game you don't remember a name of and it searches the internet trying to figure it out... in theory one day it manages to do it XD often it has deemed my descriptions too vague to suggest anything it found when it comes to retro games... ChatGPT Plus in GPT-4 mode with internet searching feature on might do it better... oh well I try it once I get the access ^^

[wind urchin]

it's still used, so yes it's always good to give your feedback... if you don't no harm no foul

ok

There might be harm if that just happens incidentally and the message gets rated highly despite being a bad message just because the prior message was an error message.

But I assume OpenAI would be able to change it if they didn't want it.

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[wind urchin]

you could rate a bad message good and it would not affect the overall learning process, as the mean average will tend to promote what they find good and 👎 what they find bad, it would take the entire planet to vote a bad thing as good and... well that means humans now find that thing good.. so it is... erm.. good now

[rare relic]

imagine if "answer bombing" became a thing like how people bomb steam games with reviews if something controversial has happened

[sonic panther]

How can I access plugins for chatgpt? I'm a plus member so I think I should have access to it

[wind urchin]

yeah ofc I know lol I was talking about overall

But like I said, I assume they would've fixed it if they didn't want it

if you get a 50/50 polarising topic .. all that will ever do is make that thing neutral.. it won't promote it or de-rank it, the majority has to find a thing good or bad for it to make a difference, it's a globally democratic system

Yeah, but let's say it was an error (which I don't think it is), the vast majority of people would rate the actual message higher over the error message even if the message was a relatively bad message.

Wouldn't that skew the data?

[wind urchin]

it can happen anytime up to friday next week

[wind urchin]

analyzing GPT's responses will help the AI in the long run as a whole so, yes, it matters in the macro sense but in the micro, your sense, it doesn't make much of a difference

[sonic panther]

will openai email me about it

[wild flint]

Got exams this week so hoping for them asap 😂

[wind urchin]

no, that's the beauty of it, if half th people think it's bad and half think it's good it automatically becomes MEH natural, neither prompted or de-ranked

[wind urchin]

I got an email.. so I assume everyone will

[wind urchin]

Well, I didn't say if not, I should stop answering the questions. I said, "If not, they should try to remove that". So I was talking about the macro sense.

[weary dust]

interesting thought

[wind urchin]

But I assume they would've removed it already if it was an error. Tbf I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[wind urchin]

i'm confused, what? sorry i'm kinda drunk

[wind urchin]

I am also confused

[weary dust]

do you have to just keep checking settings? or refreshing? or logging out and back in?

[wind urchin]

jk it was just something I was curious about earlier lol

[sonic panther]

thanks

[wind urchin]

I just refreshed the page and it had a new look, with a central menu panel .. so you can check the page or your email

[sonic panther]

for some reason https://openai.com/waitlist/plugins says that all chatgpt plus users now have access

dunno if that's outdated

[wind urchin]

correct, there is a little bit of fine print in #announcements that explains it's on a week long roll out

[sonic panther]

ohh ok

[wind urchin]

I'm thinkng of selling F5 keys on Amazon for all those people with worn out ones by friday

[opal vault]

gib access

[wind urchin]

would chatgpt in its current state be a better US President than the last 6 US Presidents?

🤐 and that would be political and as such against Rule 6 No Politics

[opal vault]

did the people that got it already send a request for the developer early-access beforehand?

[wind urchin]

Well, I did, and I have it, I applied on the day it was launched, but I don't think that made any difference... it's just on a roll out, that typically has a location element to it and then whatever order your account falls in the internal system.. no real logic to that other than maybe what time you signed up originally

[sonic panther]

@wind urchin will the ability to toggle beta features be given out at the same time as plugin access

[wind urchin]

Yes, I have the toggle option and it came with Plugins

Obv. you need a Plus account

[sonic panther]

Kk

Can’t wait 🤞

[wind urchin]

Anyone wanna read the plot that GPT-4 with Web made for the sequel of 1993's Super Mario Bros movie written with human assistance? it's pretty good

I'll DM the result to those who want to read it

One day when Text-to-Video AI is more advanced, I hope to use it to create a true sequel

starring Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo

[rare relic]

I have been experimenting with GPT-4 assisted writing too like I give prompts to what I want roughly happen next and first prompt gives some worldbuilding information so it gets the setting at start... results have been quite good but still mixed

like dialogue is one of its weaknesses so those still need rewriting to sound better... but describing things it tends to be much better than that... also issue of it disobeying and still summarizing like story ends at end of the prompt at times

[wind urchin]

I made the plot for the theoretical sequel by feeding it a wikipedia page link for the 1993 movie and having it use it's Web parsing ability to analyze the entire thing and then using that, I had it create a plot for a sequel. Then, I made small adjustments to it until I got something that would be watchable

[rare relic]

sounds like a very smart way to do it

[wind urchin]

basically, it took 5 or 6 adjustments to get it to make something human

it's pretty nice

Want me to send it to you?

[rare relic]

for me issue is that it takes multiple prompts it to do its thing so between prompts it just can suddenly switch writing styles, etc... it's bunch of correcting... although then you could feed it back again to refine it further too... anyway, the thing is... it's very very close

[wind urchin]

It takes correcting because AI is smart but it lacks the human touch

If you can adjust it properly then you can give the product that human touch

so I say for its products "Written by ChatGPT with human guidance"

[rare relic]

currently it's hard to talk about GPT in writing circles because tech is so new that most aren't willing to accept it yet and downplay its ability to write... plus one guy claimed I didn't do any work despite writing tons of text so it got it right

plus not to mention then what formatting you do after it, etc

[woeful yarrow]

whered my beta features go? I had access to plugins but now they are gone?

[rare relic]

there is also this thing people don't understand GPT-4 model is better so their GPT-3.5 experience makes false claims like... I fed it my fan designed yugioh card texts and it corrected them to proper errata correctly but then someone acts like they don't believe it happened... so yeah, it will take a while that I can really talk about this stuff online outside of communities like this on deeper level

just like how GPT-4 while still not without plugin being always correct with math can correctly do quite complex math unlike 3.5

[wind urchin]

I don't understand why the artistic community is upset with the rise of AI

Art in recent history has been used as a tool for money laundering by crime syndicates

if anything, AI reduces the chances of that continuing too far into the future

[rare relic]

I agree with claim that partly it has to do them not wanting to outright state they are concerned of their ability to make money... they don't for whatever reason either recognize or want to say that they are just against the tech because it potentially makes them lose their current job

add stress top of it like having a job to support one's family

[wind urchin]

Art is considered as interesting as the person who produced it

the people mad at AI are just not very interesting

[fair iron]

I think this discussion is more suited for #ai-discussions

[wind urchin]

eh im not too invested in this topic anyway.

[unkempt plank]

lmao does anyone have access to plugins yet

[wind urchin]

I only have access to Web Browsing

[fair iron]

quite a few people do. It's rolling out to all Plus users over the course of the coming week

[wind urchin]

my fiance has GPT-4 API access and still no access to any experimental features

he doesnt even have the new UI

[steel turtle]

Unrelated Question...

[wind urchin]

big tech hates south america 😦

[steel turtle]

Why Oatmeal? Why do you got to keep the grits folks down????

😄 Feel free to respond in #off-topic , I'm not sorry

[wind urchin]

grits? are you aware of the ongoing cholesterol problem in the country?

(my cousin vinny reference) burp

im drunk and have been fiddling with GPT-4 Web for 15 hrs now

[unkempt plank]

i have none lol

[unkempt plank]

theres a new ui?

[worthy valley]

What new plugins are going to be available?

Like what will they allow me to do

[pseudo rampart]

Is chat gpt 4 available in Spanish ?

[wind urchin]

Yes, it used to be a drop down menu but now it's a side by side option of GPT 3.5 or GPT 4

[wraith matrix]

It can take in Spanish input and answer in Spanish

[wind urchin]

I love that movie

I refuse to see the new one cause of it lol

sure thing

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[drifting briar]

Same here. Looks like they will roll out in a week time

[wind urchin]

Same

i dont understand how a company allows someone into their inner dev circle but doesnt give them the latest consumer products

it's so weird to me

[wind urchin]

It could just be the sheer volume that’s making it take so long

It's all a bit new, it's still only been.. what? less than 20 weeks since launch... and 100's of millions of people involved... trying to organise all those people, even if the subset of dev's is only 100k or so, it's still a staggering number of people to try and deal with. Growing pains of any super popular company really, frustrating though, I agree

[rare relic]

it's hard to know if they were prepared to it blow up so fast

but they're doing quite good job of handling the situation overall

[crisp spruce]

Generate Image Of Cute Cow

[wind urchin]

Well in the Interview on the Lex Podcast, Sam said "we knew it would be big" but he meant big as in.. it might be as big as the last few LLM's maaaaybe even go totally off the charts and be as popular as facebook or soemthing.. but no.. not even close.. a million active in 5 days 100 million in less than a month..

there is no prior metrics to measure against, no playbook to go from

[rare relic]

I imagine it motivated them to try to cover costs more with ChatGPT Plus

[unkempt plank]

Ok i dont have that yet

[wind urchin]

I mean.. Microsoft are footing the bill right now... but that can't go on forever

[ashen maple]

They also lighten their server loads by randomly locking out over 2/3rds of the "GPT+" accounts, but continuing to bill for them. Great business model...

No, we are footing the bills, and they are providing no service in return.

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[ashen maple]

Hey, some actual activity, I guess it foes still exist.

err does

[weary rampart]

Who’s getting locked?

[ashen maple]

About 2 out of 3 GPT+ subscribers.

[weary rampart]

What are you talking about though?

[steel hill]

<- in the 1/3

[ashen maple]

They change, or maybe just delete, your login info, then don't respond to any requests for assistance, just keep billing for the service they choose not to provide.

[weary rampart]

What makes you think this is something that’s happening to 2/3 of the users? It’s definitely not.

[ashen maple]

Makes sense, they would have to keep some active to maintain the appearance of a good-faith effort.

[fair iron]

I think this discussion is more suited for #off-topic as it doesn't relate to GPT-4

[ashen maple]

Check out their reviews. Most of them are identical to mine. Locked out, no response to requests for assistance, and refual to stop billing.

Yeah, waste of time here, but at least on the Discord there is some form of response, which is a nice change. Hope you stay in the 1/3rd, good luck.

[naive sable]

is GPT-5 being released this december?

[wind urchin]

no

[naive sable]

there were some rumors lol

[fair iron]

no official announcement

[wind urchin]

The next release of GPT will probably just be called "ChatGPT" as it will be natively able to parse the web in real-time, generate content, and provide snap-of-the-finger answers

If GPT-5 comes out, then openAI is just another capitalist company like the other AI companies

and they should not be trusted if so

[wraith ginkgo]

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[naive sable]

Yea. I also herd they may use GPT-4 to help make GPT-5, and then use GPT-5 to help them make GPT-6, and so on. Eventually they would have it develop itself. Its all pretty crazy

[wind urchin]

currently, openAI holds the greatest artificial intelligence model in human history. if they flub that for money, then they're absolutely wrecked

[topaz karma]

is davinci model based off GPT-4 coming any time soon ?

[granite burrow]

Plus users, did y’all get a email that you have web search or did y’all just log in one day and it changed for you?

[rough plume]

Chat GPT is going to take over the world one day

[steady lava]

i dont see any change yet as a plus user @granite burrow

[blissful orchid]

How many questions can I ask gpt4 per day? What's the latest?

[fair iron]

25 every 3 hours

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[blissful orchid]

Is it the same limit regardless of the complexity of the question?

[weary rampart]

Yes, but that’s funny to think about

Imagine if it judged how complicated the question was and charged you based on that haha

[fair iron]

api moment 💀

[formal zodiac]

Hey peeps - I got my GPT4 key, put it in my app, and asked the bot what version it is - it said GPT 3.
now, i checked the listing of models, I clearly have GPT-4 access, I asked for GPT 4, just asking if anybody else asked it what model it thinks it is....

Oh yeah, and it's slow and crashed randomly.. I know it's GPT4. 🙂

[grand sentinel]

#gpt-4

[glass jungle]

How can I give suggestion to OpenAI. I want option for chats to not auto save but instead you can just ctrl+S on a chat that you actually want to keep. It is a huge hassle to find important chats amongst all the throw away ones or just delete all the throw away ones as you go.

[obsidian hinge]

hello I've chatGPT plus but don't have accss to the beta features

[formal zodiac]

Yes... thanks for that, although I did check, I am asking for "GPT-4" model

[weary dust]

i like autosave, but maybe they can make it a toggle. but why dont u just recycle one for throw away chatting? and use that one indefinitely?

[shy crown]

Bumping this idea 💯

[weary dust]

yea sadly gpt is not self aware of what version it is or even the user interface it is even being used on

[gray ravine]

I don’t believe GPT-4 has updated self awareness

It’s using an identity wrapper probably. Likely instructs it that “oh ur gpt3”

[glass jungle]

that is good solution for now but if i end up having an insightful convo while talking about random stuff that i have to save a mostly junk chat

[gray ravine]

Just some oversite

[shy crown]

Lmfao @ updated self awareness being a real thing in 2023 😂

[gray ravine]

The absurdity of our situation goes crazy

[shy crown]

Agreed @gray ravine

[weary dust]

hm, but what's wrong with saving a mostly junk chat? u can ignore all the content above the insight, and save it as an insightful chat and now start a new junk chat?

[formal zodiac]

how is that - any dev work, you know that the system at the other end must be capable of delivering a signature of "what it is" what version it is, what protocol it talks

[glass jungle]

yeah i guess its not too bad if you do it like that, thanks for the advice

[blissful orchid]

I guess the right way to use is ask simple questions to free gpt3, then ask complex long questions to gpt4

[formal zodiac]

unless you are not a dev, then that's fine if you find it amusing, but if we are to program against it, it needs to be able to deliver a definitive signature

[shy crown]

@blissful orchid I use gpt 4 for complex thinking or opinion interest over 3.5

[gray ravine]

It’s possible that the identity is all up in the weights and is not something they can easily change

[formal zodiac]

maybe, although I got it to vomit a long error message, and that one was much better because it showed a lot of interesting regular JSON attributes

[gray ravine]

Hmmm. My ai showed as gpt4

[shy crown]

@formal zodiac I’ve only used it for html/css but I’m learning JS from the model ngl

[formal zodiac]

what was the request that got it to say that

[gray ravine]

“Are you using gpt4 or gpt3?

It’s possible that’s a direct result of the wrapper that I’m using

[shy crown]

@gray ravine how does one “change wrapper”?

[formal zodiac]

I just asked it...

"As an AI language model, I am powered by OpenAI's GPT-3. However, my persona description is created independently and specifically tailored for an enhanced user experience. If you have any questions or require assistance, please don't hesitate to ask. I'm here to help"

[spring peak]

What is the latest news about chatgpt plugins? any release date or coming soon notice?

[shy crown]

@spring peak there was a link posted to sign up for beta access for plugin, however it stated it was probably too late to benefit from the link

@gray ravine so if I’m using direct chat gpt-4 is this considered “no wrapper”? Sorry if my language is confusing I about halfway know what I’m taking about

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[gray ravine]

I get what’re your saying. I don’t truly know- I’d bet that for the website, maybe it’s optimized for chat but I don’t know. For the API, it’s probably raw and you make your own system message.

[mystic crest]

when is chatgpt-4 removing the message limit

[fair iron]

we don't know

[spring peak]

what do you mean "too late to benefit from the link"?
was this what the link saying?

[fair iron]

#announcements message
likely this link

[shy crown]

@gray ravine it was posted by Dino

@fair iron to @shy crown

[polar bison]

when is gpt 5 releasing

[fair iron]

it hasn't even been announced, so none of us know

[spring peak]

there's a altman's tweet mentioning summer
but we don't know

[limpid rampart]

from what i read they are still optimizing gpt 4 and haven't started working on gpt5

[buoyant thistle]

GPT 4 is pretty much useful.

[mortal walrus]

may i use gpt4 here

[vagrant crag]

no

you cannot

it is strictly prohibited in accordance with Section 5 Page IV 28-47

[gray ravine]

Alan says March 2024

[limpid rampart]

i can't post a link but goolge "openai not working on gpt5" and you'll get a bunch of articles about it

[formal zodiac]

Unless Elon shoots it into space

[buoyant thistle]

I just submitted my resume to Spacex couple days ago.

and I haven't heard anything

[fair iron]

#ai-discussions

[vagrant crag]

does anyone know if the gpt4 browsing feature has the ability to access working buttons

like can it click a generate button on a random number generating website

[buoyant thistle]

no you can't use gpt4 to access them

[fast pagoda]

so anything new about gpt-4 at all?

[buoyant thistle]

faster speed I guess?

[vagrant crag]

widespread access to plugins through plus subscription

[buoyant thistle]

I am enjoy the conversation with GPT 4 lol

[polar bison]

nice

[spring peak]

havent mentioned when?

[buoyant thistle]

when I was bored.

[vagrant crag]

check openai updates page

[spring peak]

so next week?

[limpid rampart]

if you subscribe to plus, yes sometime next week

[vagrant crag]

over the next week

you can get it anywhere from 5/12 to 5/18

[slender mist]

kk

[sage jolt]

Would you rather have Chick Fil A or Raisin' Cains?

[wraith shoal]

Could anyone say when is the gpt 4 based copilot x releasing?

[drifting cliff]

Does anyone know when the GPT-4 current gap being met issue will no longer take place? Or that the program can handle longer Python programs? I am a Plus member.

[drifting cliff]

Chick Fil A!

[sage jolt]

good answer

[shrewd raft]

Hey! When talking about context window on ChatGPT using GPT-4, if I repeat key information, will the context remember the last 8000 past words, the first ones? How does that work? Thanks!

Repeating key information to maintain context as I go*

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[sullen silo]

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[high spoke]

How can I know when my membership will expire? I don't see this information on the payment page right now.

[smoky light]

is gpt4 going to be available for free anytime soon?

[high spoke]

no

[smoky light]

maybe when gpt-69 comes out

[fair iron]

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7231930-how-can-i-contact-support-about-billing

[unique tundra]

whens gpt-4 message limit coming off?

[fair iron]

We don't know 😔

[unique tundra]

they removed 3.5 so idk i feel like it should be lifted

[smoky light]

im confused about that

[unique tundra]

lol they have no problem with taking my $20 per month but when it comes to adding more features, nothing

[smoky light]

did they remove 3.5 for premium?

[unique tundra]

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