gpt-models

[twilit pelican]

everything

[compact dirge]

again, ChatGPT <> GPT-4 API

[knotty grotto]

You are not obligated to pay and you can aks refund

[pseudo ginkgo]

so how many tokens is chat GPT plus 4 not the API

[thorny valley]

Please train ChatGPT on good OpenSource software for robotics that can be easy as setting up an OctoPi for 3D Printing with Simplify3D and Blender.

[weary patio]

It's against terms of service

You will be banned

If caught

[knotty grotto]

?

Yeah it is write down in their tos.

[carmine marten]

Using GPT for robot is against TOS? Surely not.

[knotty grotto]

I guess reading before paying is a great gift for some people

[cloud sinew]

Gpt 4 how much helpful?

[old parcel]

Help me develop a month's exercise and weight loss plan

[thorny valley]

People should perfect the use of Unity C# for real-world robotics this way it can be visualized too.

[knotty grotto]

Chat.openai.com

[onyx elk]

😂 maybe because we pay 5 dollars extra in eu for that refund function

[pseudo ginkgo]

sure, to develop a months exercise you go outside and touch grass and stop eatting mcdonalds, did that help?

[carmine marten]

Yep!

[dusky briar]

hello #gpt-models

[knotty grotto]

I means they specify on their website before paying how the refund work. They also specify they keep the right to adjust the cap fo chatgpt 4 in case of high peak. All written down. All before paying

Reading is a gift it seem

[pseudo ginkgo]

I have been limited to 25 messages every 3 hours for like a week + now

[knotty grotto]

It wasn't the case the first week m they adjust it .

[coral raft]

hello everyone m new here

can any one help me to get trought this new ai bot???

[dusk wing]

Is there eta for image acces?

[knotty grotto]

Not yet. I guess soon .follow #announcements

[pseudo ginkgo]

yeah it used to be 50 lmao, its barely usable now, 25 is not enough for 3 hours, specially for coding stuff

[carmine marten]

I'm really looking forward to the multimodal capability.

[onyx elk]

of course, i'm not asking for a refund now am i, and pointing it out to me is very weird since i'm not the one complaining about it either. i'm mildly satisfied with my pay plan and annoyed with gpt being slow today, that extra sarcasm is unwanted and unnecessary, but sure i'll take it

[void jolt]

The server experienced an error while processing your request. Sorry about that! You can retry your request, or contact us through our help center at help.openai.com if the error persists.

[pseudo ginkgo]

I just want a usable subscription AI product that I can pay for lmao

[knotty grotto]

It wasn't addressed toward you. Just discussion about some message here in the channel

[carmine marten]

I'm not at all satisfied with the poor service or the claimed right to change the conditions of service on a whim, I simply recognize there is no other game in town right now. :p

[rapid grotto]

It's like donation guys, it's just a cup of coffee

[pseudo ginkgo]

can't wait for github copilot X, the normal co pilot is just not very good for certain languages

[carmine marten]

A whole lot of problems seem like scalability issues, web design issues and Azure issues, rather than GPT-issues.

[sinful delta]

Well this is something similar i work on right now. Im a software developer and a mechanical engineer.

[fiery hound]

why gpt4 is still not fixed

[sinful delta]

Is anybody still on a waitlist for chatgpt 4 api? Still cannot test it in my app

[onyx elk]

exactly. i'm interested in seeing where this technology is going, and i like how it sparked the ai war

[carmine marten]

Yeah, I am curious about whether CoPilotX or ChatGPT Plus will be more worth it.

[pseudo ginkgo]

I think copilot will be more usable, it is going to use GPT 4 anyway, less people will use it so no server issues and you can use it straight in the IDE

[wraith ginkgo]

OpenAI staff will never ask for money. Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[carmine marten]

That also opens another can of worms... at what point will Microsoft start to become hostile to OpenAI after they learn all they can from OpenAI and their products start competing with each other.

[void jolt]

https://status.openai.com/# update your actual status please, ChatGPT has network errors

[void jolt]

exactly, can't wait

[knotty grotto]

Might be in your end

[void jolt]

look at my previous mesage

[carmine marten]

I am. I'm really excited to see how I can leverage GPT-4 to generate novel dialogue in CRPGs.

[knotty grotto]

Doesn't change my answer. Service is functional. And usable

[pseudo ginkgo]

not for me I used my 25 message so now I got to wait 3 hours so awesome

[knotty grotto]

Yeah it is functional you just reach your limit .

[pseudo ginkgo]

what if the limit was 0, is it still functional then?

[void jolt]

oh really, let me try VPN

[knotty grotto]

You can see every status on status.openai.com.

[carmine marten]

Maybe, but it might lack the multimodal functionality which is very useful if you use it for more than just coding.

[dusk wing]

Api works for me

[carmine marten]

And, at least for me... I kind of enjoy having 'someone' who will patiently engage me in philosophy discussions from time to time. 😉

[knotty grotto]

I use chatgpt to write uwu thing

[pseudo ginkgo]

I just want it for coding, don't really have a use for anything else, at least not yet

[compact dirge]

people (incl me) have assumed the image input will come to ChatGPT interface at some point, but i'm not sure anyone's ever said for sure it will. It's being used for a blind charity in Alpha status at the moment, they're working on performance too

[hallow marsh]

GPT

[pseudo ginkgo]

yes this is dog

[carmine marten]

OpenAI did, in its ChatGPT Plus publicity.

[flint spear]

😆

[onyx elk]

where do we suggest function/changes for chat gpt 4? anybody know?

[wind urchin]

give gpt4 api plz

lfg gpt4 api

[crystal dagger]

gpt-4 has dementia... fml

[carmine marten]

Nobody say a single word, even in English, that might possibly be mistaken for a non-English word. EVER. We're so diverse and inclusive and we're looking for people who align with our deeply felt corporate values.
GPT-4 was trained by the corporatese, of course it has dementia. :p

[wind urchin]

where can i find the Jupyter notebook from Greg? from the live stream about GPT4

[dusky briar]

waht shoudle i do,when i am hungry.

[compact dirge]

eat?

[dusky briar]

waht shoudle i do,when i am hungry. #gpt-models

[knotty grotto]

Ask chatgpt

[compact dirge]

Repeat after me, there is no discord bot here for talking to the AI

[dusky briar]

sha

[olive lagoon]

I am on wiatlist

How many months will it take

[carmine marten]

I might look into doing some evals, seems to be a way to get API access.

[void jolt]

The server experienced an error while processing your request. Sorry about that! You can retry your request, or contact us through our help center at help.openai.com if the error persists. so this is on my end ?

[knotty grotto]

1. Log out of all devices: Please ensure you have logged off from every device connected to your account. Once done, log back in.
2. Disable VPNs and proxies: Ensure that all VPN and proxy connections are disabled on your devices.
3. Disable problematic extensions: Check for any unnecessary browser extensions that could be causing issues and disable them. Please note that some antivirus software may interfere with your connection, so consider deactivating them temporarily.
4. Firewalls: If you are using a work or school network with a firewall in place, try switching to a mobile data connection or using your cellphone as a hotspot.
5. Browsers: Use a different browser or incognito mode: Test your connection in a new browser or by using your current browser's incognito mode. (Chorme/Edge are the same browser internally)
6. Troubleshoot device-specific issues: If the issue persists only on your PC and not on your cellphone, review steps 1 through 5 to identify any potential issues on your PC.
7. Contact support: If the problem remains unresolved even on your cellphone, please reach out to the support team at [e-mail] for further assistance

[carmine marten]

No. You can blame Microsoft, it's basically Azure being incapable of scaling.

[knotty sandal]

guys can anyone send me link of gpt 4?

[knotty grotto]

Chat.openai.com

*you need the subs

[knotty sandal]

thats gpt 4?

i thought it was chatgpt

[knotty grotto]

Yes chatpgt 4 if you have the subs

[void jolt]

ChatGPT 3.5 is working fine, GPT4 has the issues, I have both side by side , same account.

[knotty sandal]

how to get subs?

[knotty grotto]

Did you switch between those 2 recently ?

[spring pelican]

sign up for plus

[knotty grotto]

You pay the 20$ / month

[void jolt]

I have 2 tabs open from same account like I alwasy do

[knotty grotto]

When you use chatgpt 4 you have to enable it right ?

[frail gulch]

Hello, what are the reqirements for API access

[knotty grotto]

Subs and waitlist

[void jolt]

you can just choose model on new chat

[frail gulch]

Subs have access for the API for gpt-4 ?

[knotty grotto]

And you switch to 3.5 and then switch back to 4 right ?

[jaunty apex]

does bing have the same token limits as GPT-3.5 or 4.0?

[knotty sandal]

so is there not any link?

[knotty grotto]

Plus waitlist

[frail gulch]

okayy, nice

[knotty grotto]

#ai-discussions

[cedar spear]

everybody

[knotty grotto]

Nope you need to pay to acess

[knotty sandal]

ok tysm

[tawdry talon]

I see gpt-4 performance is improved dramatically today. Is there any hope to remove the 25 cap?

[knotty grotto]

Don't know they have to scale faster than people who join chatgpt and subs

[jaunty apex]

I've been using GPT 4 Is it possible it's so big that it doesn't have enought data yet to be more varied than GPT 3.5. it feels like it's not as varied.

[knotty sandal]

so do i need to pay for gpt-4?

[jaunty apex]

no

[knotty sandal]

then?

[faint patrol]

anyone have a fix for gpt-4 stopping part way through a response? or just keep asking it to continue?

[thorn smelt]

On GPT 4 is there a feature or plugin to create categories or groups with more chat ?

[blazing scroll]

Yes 4 is available for plus only. And version of 4 optimized for search is available at bing

[jaunty apex]

no, I'm paying right now. And I'm thinking of quitting becuase there are so many free options

[knotty sandal]

can you tell me how can i get free version?

[woven gazelle]

Guys is anyone else who’s on plus subscription experiencing really slow GPT-4 mode

[sand heath]

yes, been like this for hours.

[jaunty apex]

it's naturally slower because of the massive amount of parameters it took in, (still learning not familiar with all the syntax yet.)

[woven gazelle]

I’ve tried a prompt like 6 times now and I keep getting either incredibly slow output or just server error

[jaunty apex]

Least that's what I understood from the Youtube (AI for 5 year olds)

[knotty sandal]

@jaunty apex is there any website for gpt4?

[jaunty apex]

I"m just using the openAI plus account right now.

[rugged lake]

i have given 48 departments and 229 sub classes from LULC. and i am using chatgpt to create a mapping across these two. gpt seems to keep coming up with suggestions from elsewhere and not keeping it limited to the inputs i have given. how can i handle this?

[jaunty apex]

Bing doesn't really label it so they say GPT4 but they have it set to

1. conversation
2. normal
3. precise

OH OH OH, they don't tell you this though. They limit you!

Its 25 prompts per 3 hours.

[sand heath]

im getting outputs worth less than 100 tokens. Like, it just stops writing mid sentence.
Seems to be very dependent of network capacity.

[jaunty apex]

that stung a little bit, considering its 20+ a month.

[wind urchin]

idk why but, gpt 4 feels like its been dumbed down a bit

[woven gazelle]

Feels like GPT-4 release was rly rly rushed

[sharp spoke]

Has the length of the output been reduced? I did have longer responses until yesterday.

[woven gazelle]

Would’ve preferred a later release than paying sub for garbage

[knotty grotto]

Please use #ai-discussions

[jaunty apex]

They released it on the day Google Dropped Bard, and Microsoft now offers Image Bing.

[sand heath]

When it works, its amazing tho. but kinda frustrating right now, especially since you would use one of your 25 prompts per 3 hour

[carmine marten]

It's been four months. They know how big the demand is by now. They have Microsoft behind them. I don't know why they have such trouble scaling up.

[knotty grotto]

For bard and Bing use the #ai-discussions channel please

[wind urchin]

it depends on the team size i guess

[frail fractal]

does chat gpt4 work slow for your guys as well?

[woven gazelle]

Topic of the convo 💀

[jaunty apex]

I just went in there, its like all spam

[knotty grotto]

Use the modmail report.

[woven gazelle]

I think they’re scaling too fast, not enough consideration for safeguards with the latest release, plus it’s very network dependent

[jaunty apex]

for what?

[ashen scroll]

the thing is, they probably know, but they don't want to pay money

[carmine marten]

Personally, I'd be sceptical of my 'imperial friends'. Microsoft will want Microsoft services, like Bing, to become popular, not ChatGPT.

[knotty grotto]

For people who dont respect the #rules

[frail fractal]

this.

[carmine marten]

It seems like a conflict of interests just waiting to explode.

[frail fractal]

yeah microsoft will prioritize their ai thing of chat gpt any day 🤠

over ***

[knotty grotto]

Please use #ai-discussions

[jaunty apex]

Isn't it modded? I don't have any authority. I don't like confrontation. and I m really bad at follow up emails.

[compact dirge]

"There is a huge supply shortage of Nvidia GPUs and networking equipment from Broadcom and Nvidia due to a massive spike in demand," wrote SemiAnalysis analyst Dylan Patel to Fierce Electronics. "While Nvidia and Broadcom are ramping up production quickly, there is still a big gap."

[jaunty apex]

What is this room for?

[knotty grotto]

About modmail ?

[knotty grotto]

Chatgpt 4 discussion

[slate dragon]

anyone got access to plugins?

[carmine marten]

Bing is not ChatGPT, but it is GPT-4.

[ashen scroll]

novelAi, a small indie company got access to a cluster of HGX100, i'm pretty sure Microsoft Azure have a bunch of GPU

[compact dirge]

well, GPT-4, there's a separate room for ChatGPT

[knotty grotto]

Yeah openai api 4 , plugin for chatgpt 4 . For chatgpt 3.5 the room is #chatgpt-discussions

[compact dirge]

they have lots, potentially not enough still

[knotty grotto]

But for other ai, #ai-discussions

[round verge]

#gpt-models What is a healthy dinner to eat at night?

[ashen scroll]

Also, they are failling victim of their own obsession with secret tbh, like don't expect people to understand how hard the scaling is if you don't say anything about your model, not even the numer of parameters

[carmine marten]

Why would Bing be so fast, while ChatGPT with GPT-4, for 20$ a month, is constantly overloaded, with both running on Azure? Quite suspicious.

[ashen scroll]

Yeah, that the thing, Bing is fast and apparently running on GPT4

[knotty grotto]

Cause they have over 100m user openai

[compact dirge]

because Bing has limited the tokens / context window heavily.

[fossil orchid]

;lk

[carmine marten]

100m paid users? Paid users are supposed to get priority, remember.

[ashen scroll]

isnt that what is happening with GPT4 in chatGPT tho ? short answer

[tawdry talon]

yes

[knotty grotto]

100m user . I don't know how many subs in that number

[ashen scroll]

GPT4 is only for paying customer

[weary patio]

I paid to get priority

[slate dragon]

i feel like OpenAI is about to drop something today.

[ashen scroll]

so the total number of users should not affect it's speed

[grizzled seal]

still worth buying GPT plus over Bing?

[lone shadow]

DD

[weary patio]

Maybe in the toilet

[carmine marten]

Bing has context limited to five messages, but that is because it was being aggressive towards some users in long conversations. But there is no limit to how many prompts you can spam at Bing. ChatGPT-4 is slow even at non-peak times from the very first prompt, and at peak times it doesn't even process the first prompt.

[tawdry talon]

Bing is not GPT, Bing chat is only for search, it rarely writes program for you.

[lyric rose]

is regenerate response count as a request? in question of the 25 requests every 3 hours

[wind urchin]

yes

[tawdry talon]

It is improved today. It is really fast actually.

[lyric rose]

does it count wherein it says network error etc?

[thorn smelt]

@weary patio Do you know if on GPT 4 is there any feature or plugin to create categories or groups with more chat ?

[compact dirge]

still yes

[carmine marten]

Yes, because Bing is useless. It was at least entertaining when it went all Karen on some users, but the suits muzzled it so now it's just boring and useless. xD

[wind urchin]

yeah. i just ran out because of that, and gpt 4 being dumb

[lyric rose]

:/ yikes. gpt 4 cant even complete the full request stops midway. yeah gpt4=bad. and im running out of requests. i dont thinks its worth what im paying for

[weary patio]

People can create their own platform using the API of GPT4. But as for OpenAI itself, I think they will just continue on just expanding the performance of it and just demonstrating it the way they are doing it now. But who knows, time will tell how they expand their services. It's still too early to tell.

[wind urchin]

it's not really fully complete yet. it'll eventually have the same response speed as gpt 3.5 and no message cap

[grizzled seal]

Got u, and the limited response rly sucks

[night totem]

It’s pretty expensive for a flawed service. Imagine Spotify where songs stop in the middle and you have to start from the beginning to continue!

[woeful musk]

Is it down?

[compact dirge]

yep, we're only 2 weeks into GPT-4 remember

[carmine marten]

I give the OpenAI/MS love affair a few months max. My prediction: Either MS will do hostile takeover, or they will have very bad breakup.

[robust hornet]

you don't have to start from the beginning. Ask it to continue from where it was cut off.

[night totem]

That has worked some of the times.

[weary patio]

Yeah, there's so much time for improvement.

[thorn smelt]

Yes I think we will have to wait a little longer. THANKS

[wind urchin]

the complaint is that it shouldn't be the case

[weary patio]

My pleasure homie. I'm open to more questions later if you have any.

[carmine marten]

If I were Amazon I would be circling around like a vulture, waiting to throw AWS at the problem. 😉

[compact dirge]

Well, Meta uses AWS (Llama)

[wraith ginkgo]

OpenAI staff will never ask for money. Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[lyric rose]

well yeah i understand but i paid the monthly in sole purpose to access gpt4. but with this performance, kinda regretting my decision. my request was literally simple tho

[hybrid bane]

I think it's right.

[grim pulsar]

Can you post pictures into chatgpt4? Thought I've seen that somewhere but not sure how? 🤔

[wind urchin]

i too have premium and it's been pretty good so far

[compact dirge]

#gpt-4-faq

[fossil orchid]

0o0

[lyric rose]

well not for me. i use it mainly for debugging and code generation, 25 request for every 3hours seems so little

[verbal shard]

Point of concern:
I tried refactoring 2 pieces of code in GPT4, with a friend sitting next to me.
We did both the same, and his response was and MUCH faster and also much longer?
why is this the case?

[compact dirge]

Wait until the hype subsides slighly and the school/college kids lose interest

[compact dirge]

load balanced to different servers

[verbal shard]

how to fix this, can i reconnect to a different server?

[lyric rose]

refresh

[compact dirge]

performance is just very variable at the moment (short answer no you can't choose)

[fallow hawk]

imo usage only gonna get higher

[wind urchin]

It definitely depends on the use case

[woeful musk]

Is there any way cancel the last request ..When I reload the page it asks me to regenerate when I click on regenrate it crashes with message the cycle continues
The server experienced an error while processing your request. Sorry about that! You can retry your request, or contact us through our help center at help.openai.com if the error persists.

[wind urchin]

Most likely. They may lose some users as competitors get better but, they’re incredibly dominant rn

[wind urchin]

Press stop generating when it’s generating text and ask it what you want to ask it

[lyric rose]

yeah. but in my experience, it generates 1 sentence then stops. either network error, or just stops with no error and assumes that the response was finished

[fallow hawk]

its been working fine for me

[wind urchin]

Idk what’s up with yours. For me it can pretty easily generate multiple paragraphs with little difficulty

[fallow hawk]

network error can also be your issue if the connection drops

[woeful musk]

But that's the option comes when it starts generating words... It does not start generating there is black square before the words come right..So it keeps showing that then the error messgae comes

[lyric rose]

or this one:
The server experienced an error while processing your request. Sorry about that! You can retry your request, or contact us through our help center at help.openai.com if the error persists.
its bad hahah, gpt3.5 is is just way more effiecient to use :/

[lyric rose]

i have good connection tho, it says server error. so its more likely on openai's end

[round vessel]

How to get answers

[last oasis]

abrahAbraham Lincoln image

[hybrid bane]

yes

Hello everyone

大家好

[woeful musk]

It is messed up first it generated zero responses and then says I reached maximum number of request

[lethal wind]

Where can I talk to the robot?

[old tree]

Does anybody know if the web browsing client can actually take instructions around logging into my accounts etc.

The plug-in

[lyric rose]

chat.openai.com?

[void jolt]

Keep in mind if the GPT4 is having server error , it will be counted in the cap, I just got 4 practical messages now and everything else was a server error, but they counted it as a message, I reached the cap after, this is really concerning.

[woeful musk]

now I have to wait one more hour isn't there any support here?

[hybrid bane]

You can visit openai.com

你可以访问openai.com

[rigid ridge]

How long has ChatGPT been backtracking a few characters sometimes?

[lethal wind]

I'll give it a try thank you

[last vector]

its not opening

*opeaning

[hybrid bane]

You can also open this URL https://chat.openai.com/

你也可以打开这个网址https://chat.openai.com/

[lyric rose]

yeah that's i was saying. probably so much many users for gpt4. i dont think that sub is worth it :/

[austere obsidian]

I’ve used ChatGPT for a couple of days and then I’ve got a message saying: “Access Denied”!! I’ve checked on YouTube and I’ve found 2 answers:

1. Change my VPN location from UK to US.
2. Delete the cookies.
   Yesterday, I did tried both and I still get the “Access Denied” message. What’s going on?
   Is anyone else having the the same issue?

[atomic moat]

Has anyone qualified for testing the plugin?

[void jolt]

yeah, it's getting worse day by day, while normal non Plus chatgpt is fine, you would think it would be opposite.

[lyric rose]

yeah i get so much productivity with 3.5 than trying to use gpt4 which is literally can not even complete first sentences

[fading spire]

3.5 is better for most people and what they're doing

[verbal shard]

nah the answers of 4 are much better only the performace is soooo bad

[atomic moat]

4.0 is too slow and short

[void jolt]

for coding gpt4 is way better, but unreliable recently

[fading spire]

4 has more "thought out" responses

[tribal willow]

4 is flying for me. i'm in florida.

[lyric rose]

yeah more thought = more loading time = more likely the server will drop your request hahah

[rugged forge]

Powada #gpt-models

[fading spire]

4 is working better for me today than it has in the past week though

[void jolt]

i just switch to VPN in US and no more network errors , interesting

[lyric rose]

really.. i guess i would try that

[knotty sandal]

guys how do i go to gpt 4?

[carmine marten]

You have to click your heels together three times and repeat, "there is no place like GPT-4".

[junior flint]

currently gpt-4 is at the speed of a great-great-grand-father

[knotty sandal]

is it app or website?

[junior flint]

website

[kind rampart]

Find. jennings genealogy

[knotty sandal]

can u send the link"?

bambalejo

[light pulsar]

chat-gpt made this code that can hack into servers with the ip addres only

[carmine marten]

Is that so?

[light pulsar]

yea

[void jolt]

yup

[knotty sandal]

can you guys send the link for gpt 4?

[light pulsar]

if you want i can send what the code looks like private

[knotty sandal]

please

[carmine marten]

Well, what can I say? Not like Europe has any AI or cloud platform or pretty much anything.

[kind rampart]

@kind rampart @kind rampart

[carmine marten]

Only restrictions and regulations.

So nothing we can do about it.

[worldly salmon]

I wish they would revamp their vba coding

[exotic magnet]

I got my invite but not working.

[jaunty obsidian]

It's the same website as regular chatgpt, but you need to pay a subscription for gpt4

[exotic magnet]

Any fix?

[fading spire]

You've reached the current usage cap for GPT-4. You can continue with the default model now, or try again after 9:45 AM 😢

[knotty sandal]

isnt there any free options? im poor

[knotty sandal]

and how much is it?

[jaunty obsidian]

The free option is chatgpt with gpt3

20$/month

[fluid meteor]

I thought you just had to sign up with the wait-list

[knotty sandal]

but isnt is made on september 2021?

[fair relic]

is chat gpt4 slow right now

[inner kelp]

tooo slow and bad

[fast briar]

what is the current usage cap for gpt-4?

[inner kelp]

i want my money back

[fading spire]

25 messages every 3 hours 😦

[tame girder]

No, it’s just unoptimised and has gotten better so far

[fading spire]

I hit it about an hour in every time 😐

[tame girder]

25 msg/ 3h

[molten mulch]

am almost on the payment page of chatgpt plus
do y'all think it's worth it for gpt4?

[carmine marten]

No. It's slow all the time.

[tame girder]

Yes

[inner kelp]

no its more slow now

[fair relic]

how ive had it since it started and i never got to see the cap message

[molten mulch]

wasn't that per hr?

[fading spire]

You don't use it much then. I hit it frequently.

[tame girder]

Per 3 hr

[high wedge]

it even does not response for me

[silver dawn]

Hey guys. Is the fact that GPT-4/Bing Chat uses message history from ChatGPT directly already public?

[molten mulch]

hmm could you just summarize what you found different with gpt4?

[fair relic]

yea i do big requests = gpt4, small requests = gpt 3

[molten mulch]

ok

[last vector]

nah bro

[quaint jay]

Good morning,

Is the conversation history issue still persisting? Initially, it does not allow me to delete when they appear, and part of the day, the history does not load.

[molten mulch]

big request as in??

[molten mulch]

it loads for me

[mint oasis]

Does anyone know how to render the latex code it outputs without asking it to resend the message? It's critical because we only have 25messages per 3 hr for gpt-4

[fair relic]

mostly additions to my webpage like certain things i want added or bug fixing since the word cap is way longer

[molten mulch]

had another que, does gpt4 on chatgpt have our conv saved too?? for eg if i hit the 25 per 3 hr limit, can i just resume the conv frm there?

[void jolt]

same, for complex coding gpt4, for small code snippets gpt3,5

[molten mulch]

yes true, having similar purposes for upgrading

[quaint jay]

Seriously? For me, it is still unstable. It appears in some instances and does not load in others. I have the plus version.

[lament hawk]

Hey guys, does anyone knows why i don't avec access to plug ins. (I'm on the waitlist since 1h after the live) and i'm Plus user. (I'm living in Europe).
Thanks for answer 😉 !

[molten mulch]

i am on the free one for now

[fair relic]

are you a developer

[lament hawk]

Yep and student at the same time

[charred spear]

A hint for all of you.

[fair relic]

well then idk maybe it got way too overflooded with requests

[charred spear]

Use GPT3 for discussion and outline.

GPT4 for the heavy lifting.

[tame girder]

It is much more capable and way more coherent and listens through the conversation equally like continue Inc. text will not restart, it is much better at handling coding errors and becoming more logical with its reasoning and will acknowledge what it did incorrectly if you point it out, it can do muck more writing styles but due to all of that it is slow as it is constantly being used and the servers are probably running mostly GPT3 not 4 and anyone who uses 4 will get a error if using it for the 26th time within 3 hours. That is to make it faster as less people will likely use GPT4 is it is capped

[weary stirrup]

I ran 65B LLAMA cpp. GPT-4 is dead

LLaMA can truly think

[tame girder]

Hallucinations

[drowsy trellis]

Can you guys stop using GPT4 trying to do some work and need all the power

[silver dawn]

I've been experimenting with ChatGPT on its early days, and asked it the following question:

Run the following piece of C code: `...`

It proceeded to "run" the code snippet and explain it. It's an obfuscated one-liner written by me many years ago.

Skip to today, I've asked Microsoft's Bing Chat to explain the same code snippet, and its answer was pretty much the same as ChatGPT's, and in some parts it was the same, word for word.

It even suggested my questions on ChatGPT as possible next questions.

What is going on? It is pretty obvious that OpenAI used chat history from ChatGPT to train GPT-4, but this doesn't justify the fact that Bing Chat can leak messages from ChatGPT directly if the information is "obscure" enough.

[fading spire]

you clearly don't have an idea the power of GPT4 lol

[molten mulch]

ohh got it!! thanks for all that info!!

[weary stirrup]

did you have any rationale or just wanted to make noise?

[worn hawk]

嗨

[high wedge]

no, mine even does not reply

[silver dawn]

And perhaps GPT-4 itself.

[high wedge]

it's that you all should stop

[tame girder]

Bing chilling

[charred spear]

It was stated explicitly that it's a research preview and the data was used in this way.

[fading spire]

You clearly just wanted to make noise. I've tried LLaMa to assist with coding, it is no where near GPT4 or even 3

[fair relic]

i think its tired

[high wedge]

it's just dead

[fervent current]

on god give it some coffee

[weary stirrup]

LLaMA killed it

[compact dirge]

expect no privacy in anything you submit to ChatGPT or bing

[molten mulch]

+1

[fair relic]

👁️

[charred spear]

Yes. We need to reiterate that!

It literally says down the bottom.

[molten mulch]

😐

[silver dawn]

I mean, for sure. But this doesn't mean "Hey, Microsoft can later leak everything you have typed to ChatGPT directly to anyone on the internet."

[charred spear]

Huh

[tropic kestrel]

oh oh my gpt 4 just started typing after about 12 refreshes

[silver dawn]

It should be a bit clearer.

[charred spear]

Yes it does!

It's absolutely clear haha

[mint quiver]

It literally means that

[fair relic]

mine types but it does like 10 lines of code that makes no sense then abruptly stops

[silver dawn]

It usually means "Hey we at OpenAI will definitely read your stuff to improve our models."

[molten mulch]

wait- WHAA 12 refreshes 🤯

[silver dawn]

I'm talking about legal implications specifically.

[charred spear]

Exactly.

[fading spire]

Yeah, you'll be happy to know that those 12 refreshes are counted against your messages too. 😦

[charred spear]

Improve the models.

[weary stirrup]

how did you set it up?

[charred spear]

Which means, your code was so obscure that the probabilistic output was the same.

[tropic kestrel]

yeah, but I don't do a lot of stuff, I have it write something out and then I go think about it for awhile, I'm usually pretty good at staying low

[charred spear]

You asked on one platform and got the same answer on another. Because they're bridged by the same AI

[molten mulch]

what's that?

[tropic kestrel]

oh bother, it just tapped out again.

[molten mulch]

what if i don't refresh the page and just keep waiting for the response, will it ever respond or need to refresh ( on the free version, so asking ) ??

[charred spear]

Give us the code snippet and we'll be able to see what you said in "private" to ChatGPT 😉

[high wedge]

It failed all our subscribers with $20

It doesn't even reply to us

openai must compensate us, the members!

[silver dawn]

This part is obvious. But Bing Chat also suggested my questions word-for-word as possible chat continuations, which is weird (and kinda scary tbh, even though it's expected)

[wind urchin]

@knotty sandal do not advertise

[charred spear]

Haha

[pseudo hatch]

How i can say chat gpt to make automation script for 8bp game which select auto tbles and leave auto tbles

[charred spear]

It's not scary. It's the "ghost" in the machine.

You're talking to a probabilistic text generator.

It's all of our data.

[silver dawn]

Yeah, I'm not saying "AGI scary", I'm saying "my data is still there" scary.

[charred spear]

We're all talking to ourselves. That's what's really going on here.

Your data will fade.

[compact dirge]

only way i get any sense

[mint quiver]

How do you know the question was only asked by you? Was it SO specific that only you could have asked it?

[charred spear]

Just don't burn it into the network by surfacing it.

The Simpsons made a great song about it "Just don't look"

[molten mulch]

.

[fair relic]

chat gpt4 alexa

[charred spear]

It's alignment. We're trying to curate our own global consciousness.

[high wedge]

openai must compensate us, the members!

[charred spear]

Which unfortunately involves humanity's inner demons.

[mint quiver]

Alexa would never be so lucky

[quaint karma]

Four people drink four buckets of water in four days, how many buckets of water do eight people need to drink in eight days?

[thorny valley]

the only rule that should exist for AGI is if tortures people on purpose it should be destroyed

[fair relic]

but it would be cool right

[compact dirge]

you again

[vale sentinel]

Does anyone know how to prompt it for generating a realistic photo using the other text to image software ? Could use some help…

[mint quiver]

Oh yeah, absolutely fantastic, I'm so tired of Siri and Alexa giving me the weather in Toronto when I'm asking to turn the lights on in the living room 🤣

[high wedge]

gpt4 is not even responding, and you guys are still talking about this nonsense
Did you really buy the membership service? Don't come to gpt4 channel if you haven't bought it

[fair relic]

the alexas would most likely run out immediately if it does ever exist

[mint quiver]

We aren't OpenAI, complaining here about GPT4 not responding does nothing

[silver dawn]

I guess it'd be the same if I had made a blog post about this obscure post years ago or something. Both chats would answer pretty much the same thing, given how little data it has on it.
Still a bit of an eye-opener on privacy regarding ChatGPT

[carmine marten]

Ha. Some French person is now going to go about telling all their equally brilliant friends that "ChatGPT" doesn't speak French. xD

[earnest sorrel]

What are you on about? Yes it is? I'm literally using it right now.

[high wedge]

But if the features I'm supposed to have don't work properly, won't my money have been wasted.

[somber heath]

i asked chat GPT what quantum physics and "laplace's demon" is and it gave me the exact definition that is said in bunny girl senpai this is terrifying

[high wedge]

It is slow to respond even to ordinary communication.
For code, it just keeps getting stuck

[fair relic]

bro what stuff are you using it on all of that goes to the chatgpt log history for research 👁️

[carmine marten]

GPT-4, what is Laplace's demon?
If you hit Regenerate enough times, there is a non-zero probability that I will actually resp

[silver dawn]

I was just talking about literally this. I asked ChatGPT to run some obscure code of mine years ago and Bing Chat pretty much leaked the whole conversation back to me today

Guess the notes on privacy really are to be taken seriously lmao

[mint quiver]

⬆️ again... not leaked

[wraith ginkgo]

OpenAI staff will never ask for money. Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[fair relic]

well, i really dont mind about that as long as i don't use it outside of just coding stuff

its not like its some critical information of mine a request i made with it

[high wedge]

So sad, I hope gpt4 gets well soon.

[silver dawn]

I mean, yeah it wasn't ever private to begin with so it wasn't really "leaked", but when I read the privacy warning I was thinking "OpenAI will be spying" not "the whole world will be spying"

Really shows how new this whole thing is

[high wedge]

The server experienced an error while processing your request. Sorry about that! You can retry your request, or contact us through our help center at help.openai.com if the error persists.

this from gpt4

[silver dawn]

Can you please shut up? Respectfully.

[carmine marten]

It's fine if you talk to ChatGPT about furries. Really. We don't care. 😜

[silver dawn]

AFAIK this chat is not the "OpenAI complaints" room

There's people trying to have a few discussions here

[crisp canyon]

how to fixed the Access denied problem

[proven swan]

Has anyone here got the acces to chatgpt plugins?

[gentle garden]

@wraith ginkgo

[junior flint]

is it unusable for everyone?

[high wedge]

god, the server should ban you

[silver dawn]

"Let me make the chat annoying as hell. This will sure show OpenAI! Ha, I'm awesome."

[carmine marten]

I demand to see the manager!

[charred spear]

2 per person or 16 total?

[compact dirge]

dispute the CC transaction if you're really that worried

[silver dawn]

No one's saying you shouldn't look after your rights. This is just not the correct chat my dude lmao

[mint quiver]

lol bye

[compact dirge]

🙂

[carmine marten]

We do not live in a fair world. If you want false advertising to be penalized, you need to take those demands to your government, not this forum. They have the power to enforce that.

[compact dirge]

think he's gone...

[charred spear]

Definitely. Please be wary about things you put on the net.

[high wedge]

Can some Chinese people stop talking Chinese? This is an international platform, don't let China be disgraced

[carmine marten]

Looks like he got hit with the totalitarian banhammer.

[harsh vortex]

This is the way.

[mint quiver]

Oh this will be good, 3 newly created Discord accounts...

[fierce loom]

How is speaking Chinese disgracing the country?

[cyan grove]

sorry

[knotty grotto]

Let's stay respectful and keep on topic

[kind rampart]

Convos getting out of hand

[ancient rampart]

what should I write on subject part mail when I wanna ask something from my teacher?

[fierce loom]

A short summary of what the email is

[lost forge]

it's me or chatgpt (gpt4) are really slow rn?

[ancient rampart]

I can not use it at the moment

[carmine marten]

"Listen up, teach, and listen good. I'm only going to tell you once."

[high wedge]

me, too

[fallow adder]

It's been slow for the last 8 hours

[high wedge]

3.5 is not as smart as before

4 is better

[fallow adder]

I think they're modifying it. The output has been reduced by 50%, it's slower, and it sometimes shows an error

[wind urchin]

Hello everyone, just joined the server. Anybody knows how i can start creating stuff?

[lost forge]

bruhhh

[high wedge]

we can only wait for it

[opaque nebula]

I cannot use gpt either (paid)

[lucid citrus]

does it still count towards the message limit if it fails to generate?

[high wedge]

and use 3.5 for now

[knotty grotto]

Relevant Links
💬 Try out ChatGPT at https://chat.openai.com/
🤖 Access GPT-3 at https://platform.openai.com/
🎨 Make art with DALL∙E 2 via the API or in https://labs.openai.com/
📩 Read FAQs and reach customer support through https://help.openai.com/

[fallow adder]

Well, 7 hours. But I'm finishing my work for today 🙂

[gilded herald]

[high wedge]

maybe 4 will be worse in the future

[fallow adder]

I think it takes away one more query, since you have to tell it to "continue"

so 25-1-1

[high wedge]

lower cap and other stuff

[fallow adder]

basically 2x less

[lucid citrus]

also is the message limit only 25 messages?

[fallow adder]

per 3 hours yes

[high wedge]

yes

[lucid citrus]

i'm seriously considering premium though the limit seems quite small

[fallow adder]

that IS premium

[lucid citrus]

ah rip

[lucid citrus]

yeah ik

[high wedge]

too bad and sad

[short marten]

Is it just me or is GPT-4 being super slow right now?

[fallow adder]

Is it me or are people not willing to look up in this chat?

[short marten]

It wasn't this slow the days before

[high wedge]

at least plus users can use 3.5 without limits

[hollow quest]

high demands i think

[short marten]

There's a lot of texts to scroll up

[compact dirge]

scrolling seems beyond some people

[carmine marten]

The funny thing is instead of promising it will get better, they're promising it will get worse. This truly is the best of all possible worlds.

[hollow quest]

im too lazy to

[short marten]

👍

[lucid citrus]

can you elaborate?

[soft pasture]

Anyone has issues only with gpt 4?

[compact dirge]

setting expectations that it might.

[shadow cradle]

Hey how do you check how many responses you have left for GPT4

Says theres a max of 25

[compact dirge]

I fully expect a new higher-usage tier to launch this week

[high wedge]

I can only pray that things get better with gpt4, otherwise I'll have to use the lowly 3.5

[carmine marten]

'GPT-4 currently has a cap of 25 messages every 3 hours. Expect significantly lower caps, as we adjust for demand.'

[high wedge]

let's pray together

[lucid citrus]

ah yikes

welp, not going to buy premium then, will be too low for me

[silver dawn]

Gotta rename this chat to "anyone-else-having-issues-rn"

[hollow quest]

demands are kinda high right now

[hollow quest]

same, too expensive for me

[high wedge]

not kinda, its way too

[hollow quest]

anyone thinks premium is kind of expensive?

[silver dawn]

You're buying early access to experimental technology. It's expected to be expensive.

[short marten]

It used to be be 100 messages, then it became 50, now it's 25. Pretty sure We'll only have 12.5 messages next

[hollow quest]

💀

[silver dawn]

Although I gotta agree that OpenAI advertises it as some public-ready tool.

[high wedge]

god, then i would rather give up on gpt4

[hollow quest]

eh

[vocal merlin]

Anyone who encounters issues with longer code responses that you have to "please continue" but then somehow don't really seem related to each other anymore?

[silver dawn]

I mean, it's clearly what it is. Every single day there's a big change to fix a newly found issue.

[hollow quest]

same

[junior flint]

the interesting this is that Bing is working quite smooth while chatgpt is granpa hell slow, so i doubt it is global probably "scaling down on paying customers only"

[ancient rampart]

what should I write on subject part of mail when I send mail to one youtuber? (I wanna introduce myself shortly and give my question)

[lucid citrus]

try pasting the last part of the previous response and then tell it to continue, it works for me

[high wedge]

prays

[hollow quest]

true, true

[carmine marten]

Presumably that's why you use a giant cloud service provider, to organically scale up to meet peaks in demand. Presumably. Because nowadays, you know, up is down, down is up, we're multimodal, we're not multimodal yet, 100 messages, 50, 25, 0, whatever man. Do words mean anything anymore? Who cares, no one enforces fair trade regulations anyway. The customer is always wrong. :p

[fair relic]

Morning weekdays = chat gpt destruction

[carmine marten]

So why not? Cloud was for scaling to meet demand, except now it's not scaling, because just no.

[vocal merlin]

Like below in the same convo?

[Paste of last 6 lines]

Please continue

[silver dawn]

Early days of tech + almost no regulation hehe

[lucid citrus]

yep, "Please continue from here"

[vocal merlin]

I will give it a wirl, thanks a lot for your reply

[silver dawn]

I kinda wanna say the Bard is the only reason GPT-4 is "open to the public" already

[wind urchin]

It's called an open beta where you invite people to try your product with the understand that anything can change or brake at any time

[hollow quest]

great wbu

[lament hawk]

Hello guys, i had to merge 3 python files together. The problem is, when GPT write his answer, it stopped before the end, and when i ask it to finish, it restart the code completly 😦
Does anyone have a tip, to make my code working ?
Thanks !

[gentle robin]

panda eat bamboo

[carmine marten]

Yeah, noticed that, eh? 😉 Microsoft wouldn't be up to their old shenanigans again, would they?

[hollow quest]

is not fully complete is just in beta

[silver dawn]

It's clearly not ready for large-scale public usage.
It is kinda scummy from OpenAI to not make it very clear tho

[hollow quest]

im using bing's AI right now lol

nice

[junior flint]

openai is only throttling chatgpt

[wind urchin]

you're paying $20 for priority access, the GPT4 preview is a beta preview of the service if you want commercial level access you get an API key and you use the commercial service.

[jagged topaz]

why is gpt 4 very slow?

[junior flint]

blah blah blah

[jagged topaz]

he wrote me 0 words in a minute

[silver dawn]

And I'm safe to assume that the commercial API doesn't suffer from the slowdowns?

[hollow quest]

high demand

[carmine marten]

Sorry, I don't know newspeak. In my language it's called lying.

[junior elbow]

will chatgpt plus automatically recharged from credit card every month?

[hollow quest]

i think so yeah

yeah it does

[ancient rampart]

what is the organization ID

[junior elbow]

okay

[wind urchin]

that is also in beta, so it may suffer slowdowns if there are issues while developing, but it is a separate endpoint for those with enterprise class needs @silver dawn

[ancient rampart]

I am student so what can i write on company part and Organization ID one

[junior flint]

i just paid for another month of chatgpt today to give it a chance but for the last 3 weeks only bad experience

[carmine marten]

No. But it sounded good, didn't it? 😂

[silver dawn]

It seems to me that current GPT-4 "open beta" users are paying 20 bucks a month to help OpenAI train the new ChatGPT for a few breadcrumbs in return.
Which is not cool haha

[wind urchin]

if you want business class solutions, don't use a free public beta

[hollow quest]

no?

[fair relic]

as a newer model is announced newer people like to flood chatgpt servers

[hollow quest]

hows it "bad"

[carmine marten]

I'll do you one better. If you want business class solutions, do not use ChatGPT. It is not nearly reliable enough for that, whatever the reason.

[sour beacon]

What?

[wind urchin]

do you have API access?

[shy timber]

hello everyone
i'm Michael, and i feel honored being amongst fellow ai enthusiasts as yourselves
please, could anyone recommend good materials i could use to get a better understanding of how chatgpt and gpt-4 work under the hood?
many thanks
☺️

[sour beacon]

why

[wind urchin]

hmm

[tawdry ferry]

Would sharing a paid gpt4 account be unethical lol

[compact dirge]

read the research papers on openai.com

[carmine marten]

No, but I see people from businesses with API keys coming on here complaining about their service as well, so I think it's safe to assume it is also unreliable.

[hollow quest]

theres an article online

[compact dirge]

and against TOS i think

[junior flint]

ChatGPT Plus

Available even when demand is high
Faster response speed
Priority access to new features

[wind urchin]

guys it's never too late to comeback

[fair relic]

chat gpt works more under personal use, at business level just hire people to do what you're trying to do and professionally

[tawdry ferry]

Shhhh on the down low

[hollow quest]

well they do have priority access to new features

[weary surge]

who here has access to gpt4?

[brave bloom]

I don't get why people get upset with openAI.
In the end, it's a science company that develops AI. We are just participating in a beta of their new science product. That's not the typical business like most are used to, like amazon or whatever else.
We are paying 20$ because it costs money to run GPT4. Not because you're buying a 'service'.

[wind urchin]

https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf 🙂

[silver dawn]

Can mods do something about what's clearly an advertisement?

[compact dirge]

right click, report

[proper pebble]

Reported already

[vale python]

😩

[hollow quest]

i dont think they are online right now, seems like they are sleeping

[knotty grotto]

They are here no worry :3

[proven swan]

what do you do professionally ?

[proper pebble]

Yeah, they are lurking the chat

[wind urchin]

GPT Plus is a priory service for ChatGPT, API access is for those who need business class solutions

[junior flint]

it's nothing like that anymore its crystal clear what openai is turning into, throttling chatgpt use for personal intentionally and calling it "busy hours"

[wind urchin]

dm @open crescent and say "report name#4321 advertising on gpt-4 discussions chanel "

[bold lotus]

Does anyone can give me a phone number to register?

[thick flume]

i have GPT plus and GPT 4 API. API works fine but ChatGPT-4 is a mess...

[hollow quest]

dont you have your own?

[proper pebble]

You can get one from Vyke

[fair relic]

do you not own a phone

[carmine marten]

I'm not upset. I'm resigned. It is what it is. What I absolutely will not do, though, is complement the naked emperor on his fabulous new wardrobe. 🤣 I just hate insincerity.

[hollow quest]

ask your parents

[cedar steeple]

blizzard moment

[wind urchin]

what is your purpose here?

[compact dirge]

guess he's in unsupported country and trying to skirt restrictions

[bold lotus]

I am Chinese. it is not avalibale...

[wind urchin]

dm @open crescent and say "report name#4321 advertising on gpt-4 discussions chanel "

[brave bloom]

Do you have a source on that? Sounds to me like any other conspiracy.

[fair relic]

yeah you were right

[junior flint]

ask gpt-4

[thick flume]

i can't confirm that

[outer sinew]

how can try gpt-4 guys ?

[ancient rampart]

I am student so what can i write on company part and Organization ID one for join waitlist

[junior flint]

damn you can't because it's too busy now

[carmine marten]

What is my purpose here? I am user of this service. A paying user, I might add. I am commenting on my experience with the service, having been explicitly invited to do so. What is YOUR purpose here?

[hollow quest]

is not in china for a reason

[proper pebble]

Get ChatGPT Plus

[slate dragon]

chatgpt down?

[hollow quest]

high demand

[proper pebble]

not for me

[wind urchin]

Can you please let me know how can I use GPT 4 guys?

[slate dragon]

even for plus? f

[hollow quest]

just slow not rlly down

[proper pebble]

its functioning

[brave bloom]

I doubt it will spit out the latest business decision of openAI, when the cutoff was 2021 and it would never say anything against it's creators.

[bold lotus]

Chinese phone number can not register.

[hollow quest]

im pretty sure yeah

[proper pebble]

Buy a ChatGPT Plus

[compact dirge]

that's by design

[hollow quest]

i know why are you using it in china anyways

[verbal shard]

it seems for gpt 4 how more prompts you give, how slower it becomes for you.

[proper pebble]

25 promots every 3 hour

[junior flint]

i was sarcastic here, but actually it is clear because you don't randomly invest 10$ Billion for the goodwill

[slate dragon]

The server experienced an error while processing your request. Sorry about that! You can retry your request, or contact us through our help center at help.openai.com if the error persists.
ughhhhh

[hollow quest]

reload the page

i think that can fix it

[silver dawn]

Does the same apply to the commercial API?

[compact dirge]

no. that is pay-as-you-go

[wind urchin]

My purpose is to try and help you with your problem, it seems that API usage would be such a solution, you can find details for joining the waiting list in #gpt-4-faq

[proper pebble]

I'm not sure

[hollow quest]

your a developer why would someone ask for your purpose💀

[fair relic]

Maybe because thats where he lives

[silver dawn]

Gotcha, thanks.

[hollow quest]

i think he lives in china idk

[bold lotus]

right. The government don't want us to use it.

[slate dragon]

USA just woke up or what????

[compact dirge]

we can't help you in here. sorry.

[hollow quest]

we cant help you

[junior flint]

anyway i joined api waitlist long ago and did not received invitation so being paying user to support openai i don't even have an option o pay more for smooth access to services

[lapis tapir]

Use a VPN

[wind urchin]

I need to get an idea of what they want, if hey are here just to chat, then that's fine, I can leave them to it, but if their purpose is to seek a solution I will try and help

[cedar steeple]

do VPN's work?

[hollow quest]

they just didnt accept it

[hollow quest]

exacly

[slate dragon]

wdym? Most Traffic to chatgpt came from CHINA?

[hollow quest]

apparently people dont know what "developer" means these days

[bold lotus]

I have a VPN. That's why I can talk to you guys here. But I can not use Chat gpt.

[lapis tapir]

Dont work with a VPN? Strange

[compact dirge]

People discussing how to bypass the restrictions on use will likely get banned.

[lapis tapir]

Connect on EUROPE

[hollow quest]

i think what he means is that they ask for a phone number but he has a china phone number

[junior flint]

that's true because to be accepted you have to give them the best ideas and they don't want some random guys who are going to use it for personal gain, they want to gain everything that might grow into big things later

[carmine marten]

I'm glad to hear that, as customers being scolded by the companies they are patronizing for not being satisfied enough with the service is just an invitation for me to become ever more cynical. 🤣 As it stands, I am on the API waiting list, but I have subdued expectations about the reliability of the service for the applications I have in mind. We'll see, though.

[lapis tapir]

Ahmm, yes mayb

[woeful musk]

Where do I check if gpt 4 is down?

[hollow quest]

yeah

[proper pebble]

There is number of people who are in list. Please have some patience

[hollow quest]

its not down is just slow

[errant owl]

Is GPT-4 out-of-service now? I am Plus user.

[proper pebble]

It's not down

[compact dirge]

join the thousands of people who ask in here every minute. or check status.openai.com

[hollow quest]

not out of service just slow

[slate dragon]

it seems

same for me

[woeful musk]

mine keeps crashing

[fathom vigil]

requests for access are being rejected? I understand

[jolly spear]

Yeah, there's likely to be some growing pains with the influx of traffic

[hollow quest]

what does it say then

[slate dragon]

slow + unstable + short time memory loss

[bold lotus]

right. I need a phone number to verify. But Chinese one

[proper pebble]

What kind of error are you getting?

[hollow quest]

maybe because of high demand im pretty sure

[errant owl]

there is even no gpt4 option.

[lapis tapir]

Try to find people who are away xd

[compact dirge]

stop trying to bypass the restrictions

[woeful musk]

There was an error generating a response

[slate dragon]

we might get some announcement today

[proud birch]

Gnerete

[woeful musk]

I don't even have the chat bar anymore just this error
There was an error generating a response

[hollow quest]

why are you basically telling people "im bypassing the restrictions, anyways can i have your phone number"

[lyric smelt]

i really hope chat-gpt4 is getting an upgrade sooner rather than later. the constant server errors are annoying

[errant owl]

I cannot work without GPT-4😂

[hollow quest]

depends

[bold lotus]

Actually, talking here has already bypassed.

[compact dirge]

i'd put money on there being a higher tier released this week

[cedar steeple]

why?

[proper pebble]

1. Log out of all devices: Please ensure you have logged off from every device connected to your account. Once done, log back in.
2. Disable VPNs and proxies: Ensure that all VPN and proxy connections are disabled on your devices.
3. Disable problematic extensions: Check for any unnecessary browser extensions that could be causing issues and disable them. Please note that some antivirus software may interfere with your connection, so consider deactivating them temporarily.
4. Firewalls: If you are using a work or school network with a firewall in place, try switching to a mobile data connection or using your cellphone as a hotspot.
5. Browsers: Use a different browser or incognito mode: Test your connection in a new browser or by using your current browser's incognito mode. (Chorme/Edge are the same browser internally, try using firefox)
6. Troubleshoot device-specific issues: If the issue persists only on your PC and not on your cellphone, review steps 1 through 5 to identify any potential issues on your PC.
7. Contact support: If the problem remains unresolved even on your cellphone, please reach out to the support team at [e-mail] for further assistance.

[slate dragon]

Every would love to spend more than 20 . But they lack some resources. They can't handle all users.

[compact dirge]

I really should have to explain why, you're in an official OpenAI chat room.

[hollow quest]

there are at least 1m people using it, any normal website cant comprehend it

[cedar steeple]

I dont know how it should be bad to bypass restrictions to chat on discord for example

[misty cove]

Why do I always see this message?
[Only one message at a time. Please allow any other responses to complete before sending another message, or wait one minute.]

[woeful musk]

Thank you

[hollow quest]

is banned in china for a reason

[compact dirge]

I'm not talking about discord

[proper pebble]

You're Welcome

[proper pebble]

I think its geo-locked

[hollow quest]

probaly

[slate dragon]

things they can do

1. Get powered by Nvidia

[hollow quest]

haha

[cedar steeple]

you know that china isnt democratic right? so surely there's a "reason" why its banned.

[compact dirge]

they're already using tens of thousands of nvidia gpus, but... chip shortage.

[hollow quest]

thats what im saying

[hollow quest]

theres a reason why they banned it

[slate dragon]

maybe monopoly?

[whole kettle]

The API is a business solution, which means that it should work as expected, the PLUS subscription is subject to some issues, the two are not the same thing. For the API you are paying per call (with tokens which are bought with currency), while the PLUS is a monthly subscription mainly focused on ensuring stable access to 3.5 Actually, not 4.0, the later being still in early access, which is why it has some issues.

The mistake for OpenAI here is front advertising 4.0 in such a way that people expect it to be stable, they need to work on being a bit more transparent with the customer right when they're in the process of activating that subscription. I am a content user of the subscription, I'm just trying to speak for the others which got into this without being fully aware of what to expect. I did my research before subscribing and was aware of the issues and limitations with 4 beforehand, and I was totally ok with it due to the benefits being well worth over the issues.

[hollow quest]

thanks

[fringe timber]

is anyone getting issues with GPT-4? It's continuously freezing up for me

[hollow quest]

high demand

[slate dragon]

the message cap is gone?can you confirm? damn?

[cedar steeple]

its still there for me

[compact dirge]

it hasn't

[fringe timber]

I feel like it slows down when PST and EST both wake up

[hollow quest]

i cant even go on the website

[mild pendant]

why are you typing in bold?

[hollow quest]

it just says ChatGPT is at capacity right now

[slate dragon]

why not

[golden birch]

Hello, Would it be possible for someone to tell me where I can find a TL;DR; of the major functionnality of GTP-4. My initial question is can i upload a PDF and ask it to read and understand it

[hollow quest]

i should actually try that

[compact dirge]

perhaps he's just hitting the keyboard really hard?

[dark rapids]

can you speak chinese

[hollow quest]

english speaking only

[compact dirge]

you cannot upload docs to chatgpt

[mild pendant]

Sweet, now italic? well why not BOTH?

[golden birch]

ty

[hollow quest]

no pdf

[slate dragon]

𝔀𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓪𝓫𝓸𝓾𝓽 𝓽𝓱𝓲𝓼?

[mild pendant]

Is it true that you can send GPT-4 a link and it will parse it?

[slate dragon]

soon

[frosty finch]

Does anyone know what the average time for the release of plugins? I'm looking forward to using them 😅

[golden birch]

Sounds like a very good alternative

[whole kettle]

Not at the moment.

[mild pendant]

nuuu without Plugins

[thorn olive]

Is the ChatGPT gpt4 model down or something can't seem to get any responses from it ?

[somber dagger]

dose anyone know when the plugins are coming

[mild pendant]

GPT-4 wasn't released to all yet, and my man's asking about Plugins

[carmine marten]

I more or less knew what to expect from the subscription also, and obviously if the message cap is reduced too much for it to be useful I will just cancel it. But I'm certainly not going to sing the praises of false advertising, or pretend that things are true when they are not simply to butter up the mods on this Discord. I am simply not that kind of person. I would like to test the API in the role of content generation in CRPGs, but not real-time generation - it's way too unreliable for that. Deferred generation.

[somber dagger]

yes

[proper pebble]

There is sufficient amount of people in waiting. Some of them have received too. Please have some patience

[somber dagger]

LOL man aha

[mild pendant]

Copy pastaaaah

[slate dragon]

𝓾𝓰𝓱𝓱𝓱 𝓼𝓸 𝓼𝓵𝓸𝔀𝔀𝔀𝔀 𝓾𝓰𝓱𝓱𝓱𝓱𝓱𝓱

[compact dirge]

I'm not surprised with so many people asking the same qs over and over

[mild pendant]

But using a Discord self-bot is still against ToS, so 🤷🏻‍♂️

when are plugins coming?

[hollow quest]

Maybe? Who knows

[mild pendant]

oh he's not self-botting 🤣

@proper pebble congratulations you passed the captcha.

[proper pebble]

lol

[merry plinth]

where are you form

[proper pebble]

#off-topic Please

[mild pendant]

I'm from GPT lands, what about you

[slate dragon]

( w͡h͜o s͡t͜r͡o͜m )

[thorn olive]

That is racist

[whole kettle]

How in the world is that racist ?

[mild pendant]

how

[merry plinth]

haha

[wraith ginkgo]

OpenAI staff will never ask for money. Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[hollow quest]

I ask people where they are from all the time so does that make me racist?

[mild pendant]

Man down, we've got a man down @thorn olive

[distant karma]

Hi! Is there anyone here getting "network error" when chatgpt GPT4 generating the content?

If yes, how to continue from this? It's kind of broken after this, there's no textbox to type at all, I already try to refresh too.

[median drift]

Newton is having tea

[rose echo]

I just wasted my time with GPT-3.5 for 30 minutes trying to get it to accept that flat-Earthers are stupid because it made me really mad. It was being so politically correct. Then I went to GPT-4 and told it about how mad I was and asked if flat-Earthers are stupid and it immediately understood my perspective and gave me a satisfying answer that described why flat-Earthers can be considered stupid.

[jaunty ridge]

"they/them" 😂

[slate dragon]

@thorn olive why is he here?

[mild pendant]

pronouns, what's wrong?

[feral cloud]

is there a way to pay with google Play gift card?

[quartz lava]

Is chat gpt down again?

[proper pebble]

GPT 4 is not down atm. Try using different browser and clear all the cache

[proper pebble]

No

[next girder]

lmao thats actually funny

[carmine marten]

Ha! I have noticed that GPT-4 has mastered the art of disarming an aggressive line of questioning through use of flattery. 😉

[next girder]

for me yes, so i went to Incognito and it worked

[whole kettle]

Interesting

[distant karma]

It is not down. I mean, it's happening in the middle of it generating content.

[carmine marten]

It could teach some of OpenAI's human representatives a thing or two about customer service.

Or perhaps simply replace them.

[thorn olive]

I've been experiencing the same problems
GPT4 is slow or non responsive

[proper pebble]

Try logging out and sign in again

[frail fractal]

if log out you can't get back again

it says is full 😄

[thorn olive]

Hate speech shouldn't be tolerated

[distant karma]

Just logged in >,<... hahaha

[proper pebble]

Give a try. Hopefully it works

[whole kettle]

Get your nonsense out of here, move it to #off-topic.

[dusty pumice]

Pretty soon you guys are going to rely more on AI then your brain which is why right now is the best time to become a genius , one day AI will be smarter then us by billions

[compact dirge]

I don't buy it. Yes, in person if the person has different skin to you, then maybe. But on the internet, in a forum where a person's geolocation might legitimately affect their experience with ChatGPT it's perfectly valid.

[mild pendant]

Spreading misinformation and twisting rules and contexts is also not tolerated.

[dusty pumice]

Ching Chong , wow didn’t remove???

[jaunty ridge]

having different opinions isn't hate speech.

[carmine marten]

In the Fridman interview, Sam Altman also commented that they would be trying to make the models less preachy.

[mild pendant]

wait isn't that what the bot does already

[cedar steeple]

Wow thats not okay, no matter what they said before. thats just personal

[whole kettle]

#off-topic

[cedar steeple]

you stated that

[low thorn]

so I just got subscription and lol 25 messages/3hour limit ?

[mild pendant]

what, you never asked about Plus until you paid? D:

[whole kettle]

It's a personal opinion, move on.

[compact dirge]

yes, it may adjust up, or down, soon, or eventually.

[low thorn]

I did, just somehow overlooked the limit haha

[fair relic]

i mean you pay for priority access, chatgpt 4 is just like a plus

[mild pendant]

well, you can still live with that limit it's not terrible

[carmine marten]

No, the censorship algorithm does not detect your nastiness. It will immediately ban me for using the wrong word for miction, though. That is what we call an exercise in totalitarian absurdity.

[low thorn]

gotta think now about what to ask XD dont want to use it up too quickly on stupid things

[fair relic]

everytime it gives me an error and i click regenerate response does it take away a message from my limit?

[mild pendant]

Mix summaries and continuing conversations between GPT-3.5 and GPT-4. It's very very effective.

[compact dirge]

you have it for an entire month - have a play first..

[native musk]

For me it's annoying to work with gpt-4, and you won't feel it's gpt-4 until you ask more harder questions, you also waste these messages if it fails to generate what you need or it errors out.

[rose echo]

@next girder @carmine marten Yea thank u both for replying, i needed to vent. GPT-3.5 was even arguing that I shouldn't be saying bacteria and virus are "more stupid than humans". It was saying a lot of frustrating stuff. Now that I think about it, this might be due to its lack of logic compared to GPT-4.

[native musk]

So I would say, generally use 3.5 and only use 4 if you don't like the response 3.5 is giving you.

[mighty sphinx]

Give me information about you

[short horizon]

is there GPT4 bot opened for public access? I saw a screenshot online that the bot can generate captions for images

[next girder]

gpt 4 is way more advanced then, i thought there wasnt going to be a big difference

[dusty pumice]

Gpt 3 > gpt 4

[compact dirge]

reminder - this is a chat room - talk to GPT at chat.openai.com

[next girder]

yes for a lot of ppl sinice ppl dont wanna pay, and 3 is easier to access atm

[rose echo]

go try to convince GPT 3 that literally anything is stupid

[dusty pumice]

Stop calling me broke I said what I said and I said what I meant

[wind urchin]

There's already a gpt 4?

But y

[next girder]

i didnt mean to call u broke, i also use gpt 3 cuz i cant pay for 4

[brisk basalt]

Yes, it's been a while now

[carmine marten]

It was heavily conditioned to avoid saying anything that might be considered offensive by corporate executives, a species comparable in intelligence to bacteria. 😛

[next girder]

why not

[compact dirge]

14 days

[dusty pumice]

What can gpt 4 do anyways than makes it worth 20 dollars , will it teach me how to do things and make courses for my studies?

[native musk]

GPT-3 has an political agenda implemented into it so they are out of lawsuits. Like literally you're going to feel it's politically aligned.

[tawdry wedge]

Is anybody having problems again with gpt4?

[harsh garden]

Anyone getting errors from GPT4 not returning any prompts?

[tawdry wedge]

Yes

[short horizon]

they gotta pay their employees duh

[dusty pumice]

Tell me things that gpt 4 can do that gpt 3 can’t

[rose echo]

oh are u saying this bc u havent tried it? yes GPT-4 is much much better. it can think. i already consider it the smartest human being i know.

[carmine marten]

From what I can tell, GPT-4 has been improved in this regard.

[brisk basalt]

Read about its capabilities. It really amazing. But I recommend purchasing it only if you have a need.

[rose echo]

lmao burn

[next girder]

yea i cant try it :(

[dusty pumice]

Is trying to become The Thinker a valid reason

[native musk]

The addition of plugins on top chatgpt4 and 3 it's going to be insane.

[brisk basalt]

Absolutely

[rose echo]

it can think.

[floral idol]

it can do that

[dusty pumice]

So if I said teach how to code , it would teach me ? GPT-3 currently won’t teach

[rose echo]

here lmk what u want me to say to it, ill let u say something before i go, since u replyed before and made me calmer

[brisk basalt]

Yes, it is pretty good at it but it can be wrong sometimes if the code is complex

[low thorn]

watch latest ColdFusion video on youtube, its about what gpt4 can do

[rose echo]

althought its very very slow rn

[next girder]

nah but thanks

[dusty pumice]

If it’s wrong what’s the point of buying

[rose echo]

by rn i mean like rn, not generally. it is slower tho

[brisk basalt]

Coding is too complex to be taught be gpt 4

[next girder]

im just using gpt 3 rn for my studies i missed a couple of classes so i dont rly undertsand lmao

[rose echo]

oh fine

[native musk]

I would still recommend using 3.5 for most of the things and only using 4 when you feel like the answer is not good or it needs more thinking put into it.

[barren venture]

I've noticed something odd. GPT-4 is slower than 3.5, text comes very slowly. But I had provided it large texts to process and analyze and it immediatelly starts answering, inplying that it had processed the input text very quick. So why is it able to process input so fast and is slow to generate even simple answers?

[dusty pumice]

So it won’t teach me how to hack the FBI , Lame

[kindred oxide]

怎么去除黑眼圈

[brisk basalt]

It makes less mistakes than gpt 3

[brisk basalt]

I was disappointed as well

[plucky yew]

is there any info on when gtp4 will be available to everyone?

[brisk basalt]

Not yet

[carmine marten]

You know, that is an interesting question. If you present it with an open-ended request, such as, "teach me how to code", will it try act as a tutor, at least for as long as it can remember the context?

[distant karma]

Actually, it can.. It's great for tutoring us...

[rose echo]

It's not worth buying ChatGPT Plus imo. It's worth paying for the GPT-4 API though.

[mild pendant]

My speculation is when GPT-4.5 is released.

[dusty pumice]

Ok

[rose echo]

I agree too. It can definitely teach coding, to a certain point

[next girder]

whats the differnece?

[harsh garden]

There seems to be issues with GPT4. I either get errors instead of prompts or prompts cut off after 100 words

[cedar steeple]

I think so too. but you have to interact with it. It wont give you a lecture

[native musk]

At code level it's going to be interesting, put 3.5 to refactor and put 4, you're going to see a much better difference.

[floral idol]

yeah it could I havent tried it but if it cant then try pasting the documentation then

[wind urchin]

Anyone else getting network error?

[dusty pumice]

Why won’t chatgpt 3 work with a vpn, it network error every few seconds

[barren venture]

I'm also having infrequent cases that the answer is cut off and I need to ask to repeat

[low thorn]

so how does the limit work exactly ? is it flat reset after every 3 hours ? do I get 50 if I wait 6 hours ? 😄

[dusty pumice]

My school blocked chatgpt what should I do

[carmine marten]

My questions are generally more along the lines of, "how would I do such and such thing in languageA that I do with this syntax in languageB?" It is very good at answering those kinds of questions.

[rose echo]

25 messages per 3 hours is not worth $20/month to me, as I have to be really thoughtful with every input. Saying "hi" and asking it a very complicated question (usually multiple) costs 1 token. In comparison, the API, as long as you're able to make an interface for it, you pay as you go.

[molten mulch]

hey y'all

[distant karma]

lol! :D. Yeah, we must dig deeper by ask question. But that's enough when we said give the outline for complete step learning from beginner to master. So we know what we need to ask.

[valid nebula]

is it rabbit that hosts a virtual browser?

[next girder]

ah thats kinda complex, ill stick with gpt 3 for now...

[molten mulch]

currently purchasing gpt plus, but showing card declined?

[barren venture]

There are also cases when I'm using more than 1 convo. An answer is large so while 1 convo is still answering I'm able to make a question on the other and it answers it while the other is still processing its answer.

[dusty pumice]

It’s on the WiFi and it connects to a vpn on the pc to the school WiFi which always blocks the websites everywhere, even when ur at home

[cedar steeple]

yes!

[rose echo]

I've bought ChatGPT Plus though, and I think getting access to a very fast GPT-3.5 is worth it. I've already learned so much, as I can ask it about scientific information and it has the ability to educate me. Yesterday I had a 50-page convo about DNA etc

[floral idol]

just use a vpn

or i your school always the use of your phones

[rose echo]

And why I say worth it is because I can produce more than $20 worth from my extensive conversations in comparison to using the GPT-3.5 API.

[floral idol]

get mobile hotspot

[dusty pumice]

School blocked it , phones are not allowed in class

[shadow cradle]

thnx

[ornate crypt]

ChatGPT is just waiting to steal your DNA and clone you, then replace you with nobody knowing

[dusty pumice]

I’m a chatgpt fiend I gotta expose myself I’m addicted to chatgpt

[mild pendant]

Self-host your own VPN 💀 I host Soft-ether

[dusty pumice]

Bro I’m too dumb for that

[rose echo]

@next girder I don't think my prev. two msgs were highlighted, so you probably didn't read them. They were directed towards you

[floral idol]

Its easy

[carmine marten]

ChatGPT, give me instructions for implanting a chip in my brain that will raise my IQ.

[brittle viper]

1

[mild pendant]

Response: Contact Elon Musk's new company.

[delicate kraken]

[next girder]

oh ok thanks for letting me know lol

[rose echo]

lol well it'll have to wait for at least a few years since we don't have that tech yet

[carmine marten]

Oh, you clearly don't know ChatGPT as well as I do. The answer would be, "Use .NET and C#, they are always the best tools for the job." 😂

[dusty pumice]

Chatgpt give me instructions on how to make myself unhackable and anonymous always all the time

[ripe pumice]

😆

[rose echo]

yeah all this talk just cuz u replyed "lol thats funny" way back

[dusty pumice]

Chatgpt teach me the Metasploit framework

[next girder]

guess i made the right choice

[wind urchin]

Chat gpt has helped me with my essay 🙏🏾

[floral idol]

Response; As an Ai language model I cannot teach anything at all

[floral idol]

You should use quillbot to paraphrase that

[wind urchin]

I do

[floral idol]

good

[ripe pumice]

chatgpt give me some advice to make the world peaceful forever

[rose echo]

get rid of humans

[floral idol]

what about animals

[rose echo]

or depending on what u mean by peace, all life

[floral idol]

and what about objects

[rose echo]

yeah good idea

[floral idol]

get rid of everything

objects can fight too

[nocturne viper]

Yeah don’t ask AI for world peace that’s how you kill all humans. This is AI 101 stuff.

[rose echo]

they dont move so it would be peaceful, but wouldnt hurt i guess

[carmine marten]

Accelerate entropy. The faster the heat death of the universe comes, the more peace we will have.

[floral idol]

no objects can also move

[carmine marten]

We finally have an explanation for dark energy. 🤣

[rose echo]

oh yeah true nvm, get rid of everything

[wind urchin]

how come I have GPT Plus but I'm still getting hit with the "capacity" page where I can't even log in? 🤔

poor design?

[nocturne viper]

You shouldn’t be, it should have an email form for a link

[void jolt]

so many network errors, same for you ?

[rose echo]

smart comment

[quartz lava]

I don't know but I feel down again the chatgpt because I already clear the cache and same results

[wind urchin]

bro, I've had so many problems durring my plus membership I've already opted out of renewel

and 25 messages per 3 hours is ridiculous for 20$/mo imo but that's anotyher story

[carmine marten]

The Plus is for the extra money they make, not the extra uptime. 😛

[wind urchin]

lol

[quartz lava]

how to cancel subsription?

[wind urchin]

as a developer, if I knew that a percentage of sales actually went to their developers as a sort of bonus - I would stay subscribed just on principal alone

[fast stag]

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[nocturne viper]

The new plugin access is worth the $20 alone, when you guys see what this can do you’ll be signing right back up.

[wind urchin]

My account -> Manage my subscription

[quartz lava]

thanks

[wind urchin]

I'm already a plus member.

[rose echo]

u have access?

[wind urchin]

and you have to be a plus member to cancel your plus membership. big brain. you need gpt+ to think for you

[stone girder]

When will chatgpt 4 how unlimited messages ?

[wind urchin]

Funny how GPT will likely make unintelligent people stupider, because now they don't have to think at all. They just have to be able to parrot information.

[ripe pumice]

nothing is true,and everything is permitted

[rose echo]

i think it will def help with education tho

[quartz lava]

what's new plugin

[nocturne viper]

I only received access to one plugin, code interpreter. It still doesn’t have internet or the ability to process visual images but it can do some crazy stuff.

[wind urchin]

for those who actually want to be educated.

[rose echo]

not out yet but u should look into it its pretty cool

[wind urchin]

but for those who just want to sound smart ...

[rose echo]

search on google

[rose echo]

oho very cool, yea im excited

[quartz lava]

additional 20 dollars?

[wind urchin]

for free

[rose echo]

no no same subscription, but later

[rose echo]

or is it available for general?

[rose echo]

like it should be used in third world countries, it is the best teacher

[nocturne viper]

My favorite function of the new code interpreter: I told it “load the Iris data set, read it as a pandas data frame, choose the best plot type to represent the data, use this image of an iris in the background, display the plot using seaborne library” within seconds I had a stunning data visual displayed and the download like sent to me.

Just as a data visualizer alone it is worth the $20

[wind urchin]

I'd send a screenshot but

I copied your prompt

As an AI language model, I cannot directly execute code, display images, or send files. However, I can provide you with the code to achieve what you're looking for. To load the Iris dataset, read it as a pandas DataFrame, and display the plot using the Seaborn library, you can use the following code:

[floral idol]

I'm living in a third world country right now

[nocturne viper]

Yes I have access to the new plugins.

[wind urchin]

I'm not familiar with the new plugins tbh