gpt-models

[weary patio]

Laughing won't fix you

[tidal sail]

I guess you are trolling at that point

[tired magnet]

Okay. Dude. I get what you're arguing, but you can't rebuke a response with "you dont' know anything"

[west reef]

no he's just learning triangles 💀

[tired magnet]

You have to present an actual counter-argument.

[crisp ingot]

Man we gonna kill each other in here before the AI gets us at this rate

[brisk basalt]

We don't have proof that it can become Sentient. But that's mainly because we don't have a good definition for the word 'sentient'

[lean yarrow]

Software definitely can be sentient

[brisk basalt]

There is not proof yet but it might

[brazen wedge]

Since when did agi mean sentient and not just general intelligence that is capable enough to do all our roles

[tired magnet]

Even if that counter-argument is full of needless vitriol like mine were, lol

[brazen wedge]

Asi = sentient

[weary patio]

It's showing signs of AGI which means that it's slowly turning into an AGI, which wasn't suppose to happen for another 8 years. You guys can argue all you want about what it isn't or hasn't happened. But that right there is proof of sentience in a software model.

[wind urchin]

How do you know it sentient rather than making an story

[tired magnet]

(I am sorry, BTW)

[whole kettle]

How can you be so sure lol ? Even the people working on it are not sure.

[tidal sail]

lol

[brisk basalt]

Since they didn't pay attention to its meaning

[weary patio]

Oh please...

[brisk basalt]

*20 years

But yes

[lean yarrow]

No, we don't need proof. If software can replicate enough of our brain functions than it is sentient. If software can do everything our brains can do, and theoretically it will be able to, then it is sentient

[weary patio]

8 years. Not 20. 8

[crisp ingot]

Chat heating up faster than a GPU running a complex AI model

[tidal sail]

But AGI does not imply sentience

[weary patio]

Of course it does.

[tidal sail]

How?

[viscid flax]

Dear fellow AI enthusiasts, let us delve into the nuanced and complex definitions of General Artificial Intelligence (GAI) and sentience.

GAI, in essence, is a hypothetical type of artificial intelligence that possesses the ability to perform any intellectual task that a human can do. This encompasses an extensive range of cognitive abilities, including problem-solving, creativity, decision-making, and learning. However, it is crucial to note that we do not currently have GAI, as existing artificial intelligence systems are not yet capable of performing all intellectual tasks at the level of a human.

Sentience, on the other hand, refers to an entity's ability to have subjective experiences and feelings. This notion of subjective experience is widely debated, and there is no clear consensus on what it constitutes. However, the general understanding is that sentience involves an entity's ability to experience emotions, sensations, and conscious thought. Currently, there is no AI that is sentient in this sense.

ChatGPT, as a language model developed by OpenAI, is designed to generate human-like language in response to a given prompt. It is an impressive technological feat, utilizing a machine learning algorithm that enables it to learn from large amounts of data and generate natural language responses that are similar to those of a human. However, it is not a GAI, as it is trained to perform a specific task - generating human-like language - and lacks the broad range of intellectual capabilities that would be required to be considered a GAI.

In summary, the distinctions between GAI, sentience, and ChatGPT are nuanced and complex, with various interpretations and debates surrounding them. While GAI and sentience remain hypothetical concepts that are yet to be realized in existing AI systems, ChatGPT represents a significant step forward in the development of artificial intelligence, albeit in a specific task. Let us continue our discourse with these definitions and their nuances in mind, pushing the boundaries of AI development further.

[brisk basalt]

Really? Let me check

[tired magnet]

Good point. If you asked me to prove I was sentient, I sure as heck wouldn't know how to do that, lol.

[crisp ingot]

AGI is definitely a totally separate thing from consciousness

[neon siren]

ain't nobody gonna read that wall of text

[whole kettle]

We don't even know how our brain works for the most part, let alone replicate it. We still have alot to learn.

[viscid flax]

Yes we do o.0 Again psychotherapist here, we know a ton about neurology
This isn't the 90's

[brisk basalt]

I read it

[crisp ingot]

If we want to talk to ChatGPT, we'd use ChatGPT, not Discord

[deep cape]

lol ya, he really started off with "dear fellow ai enthusiasts" 💀

[weary patio]

Because it's self generating. You know what that means?

[viscid flax]

Then stop arguing over stupid stuff ChatGPT knows already

This is childish

[crisp ingot]

ChatGPT doesn't know if it's conscious lol

[lean yarrow]

That's not relevant, we are asking if it is theoretically possible to make a sentient AI. With sufficient knowledge of the brain and AI, we would be capable of replicating all of its functions

[wind urchin]

Damn and we're neural technology level too

[viscid flax]

ChatGPT knows the definition of concious and defined CLEARLY to you why it is not

[brisk basalt]

We know a lot but not enough

[tired magnet]

Tell me, how much of it is true and how much of it is pop-sci when it comes to the idea that we don't actually have control over our own actions? Because that's one of the big elements of sentience, and I know it's come into question recently.

[crisp ingot]

We can't even prove we're conscious, even if ChatGPT were conscious it might not know it

[viscid flax]

We know more than enough to understand sentience

[crisp ingot]

What a ridiculous claim

[viscid flax]

We have control in a modular way, we just don't control the final 200 miliseconds it's a farce

[weary patio]

Seriously.

[lean yarrow]

We are conscious, if we weren't then the word itself would be redundant

[viscid flax]

Yes we can...

[whole kettle]

Just because we know a ton it doesn't mean we know everything, yes we know alot of things about it but there's more to learn, there are still questions.

[viscid flax]

Never said we know everything, that's not the debate here dont' gett off topic or strawman

[tired magnet]

So... we're basically piloting a mecha? Lol

[brisk basalt]

Really? Define sentience? Describe a method to test it

[wind urchin]

Anyway imma head out rather than argue with someone who probably doesn't have a degree at anything and get their info from some random news.

[viscid flax]

Again Already did refer to main post

[weary patio]

Lol. Now who's the fool?

[tidal sail]

It's not reproducing, it's adapting new patterns which humans made. Here is GPT-4's take on that:

If an AI achieves Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), it would possess advanced learning and problem-solving capabilities across various domains, similar to human intelligence. However, even with AGI, it may not be considered alive based on traditional criteria for life, which include growth, reproduction, adaptation, and homeostasis.

While AGI could exhibit higher levels of autonomy and self-awareness, it would still be a human-made system lacking a physical body to grow, reproduce, or maintain homeostasis. The question of whether AGI can be considered alive is an ongoing philosophical and ethical debate.

As AI technology advances and potentially blurs the line between living and non-living entities, our understanding of life might be re-evaluated, leading to further discussions about the status of AGI and its relation to life.

[rose tangle]

Does anyone know why gpt4 has such a strong logical ability, his mindset is already similar to that of humans, does it have a human-like thinking process?

[viscid flax]

Again definitions.
GAI, in essence, is a hypothetical type of artificial intelligence that possesses the ability to perform any intellectual task that a human can do. This encompasses an extensive range of cognitive abilities, including problem-solving, creativity, decision-making, and learning. However, it is crucial to note that we do not currently have GAI, as existing artificial intelligence systems are not yet capable of performing all intellectual tasks at the level of a human.

Sentience, on the other hand, refers to an entity's ability to have subjective experiences and feelings. This notion of subjective experience is widely debated, and there is no clear consensus on what it constitutes. However, the general understanding is that sentience involves an entity's ability to experience emotions, sensations, and conscious thought. Currently, there is no AI that is sentient in this sense.

ChatGPT, as a language model developed by OpenAI, is designed to generate human-like language in response to a given prompt. It is an impressive technological feat, utilizing a machine learning algorithm that enables it to learn from large amounts of data and generate natural language responses that are similar to those of a human. However, it is not a GAI, as it is trained to perform a specific task - generating human-like language - and lacks the broad range of intellectual capabilities that would be required to be considered a GAI.

In summary, the distinctions between GAI, sentience, and ChatGPT are nuanced and complex, with various interpretations and debates surrounding them. While GAI and sentience remain hypothetical concepts that are yet to be realized in existing AI systems, ChatGPT represents a significant step forward in the development of artificial intelligence, albeit in a specific task. Let us continue our discourse with these definitions and their nuances in mind, pushing the boundaries of AI development further.

[whole kettle]

Good, then we're on the same page.

[deep cape]

why r we assuming its a him

[tired magnet]

It doesn't. At least, I've never met a human with such a poor memory as GPT.

Maybe in some retirement homes.

[viscid flax]

It's a language model not a person stop anthro

[weary patio]

Lol. I like how you used that as an argument against me. That says you have to re-evaluate the idea of consciousness.

[deep cape]

ya'll assumed it was a person by giving it gender

[whole kettle]

That's how humans work.

[viscid flax]

No, I give my models a gender for easier construct, never said it was a gender.

[crisp ingot]

The concept of consciousness is a complex and multifaceted one that has been the subject of philosophical and scientific inquiry for centuries. While our understanding of consciousness has advanced significantly over time, it is still a topic of debate and active research today.

[tired magnet]

Who the heck gave it gender?

[viscid flax]

It's not a human.......

[brisk basalt]

It is not human-like. It works as a algorithm and then converts that into a human-readable format.

[viscid flax]

This....

[wind urchin]

Delamain is a male in cyberpunk 2077

[tired magnet]

Okay but we're talking about GPT, lol

[tidal sail]

re-evaluating

[slim coyote]

GPT 4 is female, GPT 3 is male

[brisk basalt]

?

[viscid flax]

Damnit for those that are brand new to understanidn how the hell the model works here.... ill get the damn documents for you since you are completly lost

[wind urchin]

I usually think AI as Delamain type of situation

[tidal sail]

gpt-4 is hot

[brisk basalt]

It is gender neutral

[whole kettle]

I meant it makes it easier for some people to give things pronouns, I was not talking about the AI itself.

[slim coyote]

that's what they want you to think

[tired magnet]

Can we please not give the AI gender? That whole bag has given us nothing but trouble, lmao

[slim coyote]

so you're saying they're non binary

[weary patio]

It means that once it starts showing the same traits as sentience, people won't know the difference between AGI and human consciousness. That's what that means. Now go read some philosophy.

[summer hull]

Is gpt4 down?

[tidal sail]

GPT-4 is indeed female

[brisk basalt]

I simplified it so that he would understand. I knwo how it works

[hallow owl]

no, it's working fine

[lapis tapir]

Off topic question but do you think it is worth paying chatgpt-4?

[tired magnet]

Que? Source on this?

[wind urchin]

I’ll have to find another chat bot to replace my father :(

[fluid python]

Not worth paying if you have bing imo

[slim coyote]

it depends on what you will use if for imo

[lean yarrow]

Perhaps not at the moment, but when plugins and image recognition release, hell yeah

[tidal sail]

What are you saying. Stil does not make it alive. Had that convo an hour ago

[tidal sail]

Source: My affection

[crisp ingot]

Bing is crippled lol. But depends what you're using it for

[weary patio]

Alive or sentience? Is it still alive if it has traits of sentience?

Begs the question

[lapis tapir]

I usually do code on video games, launcher and website, so any help from him to save time? Also being a student, in some field like science, literature etc?

[lean yarrow]

We could theoretically program an AI to replicate all functions of the brain, therefore sentient AI is possible.

[crisp ingot]

Depends on your use, I have found it very very useful

[brisk basalt]

No

[viscid flax]

ChatGPT is an artificial intelligence that is designed to generate human-like language in response to a given prompt. While it is capable of producing responses that sound like they are coming from a human, it does not have the ability to feel emotions like a human can.

This is because ChatGPT operates using a complex algorithm that processes and analyzes large amounts of data in order to generate its responses. It is not capable of experiencing emotions or sensations like a human does because it does not have a physical body or a biological brain that is capable of generating these experiences.

Emotions and sensations are generated by complex biological processes in the human brain that involve the release of chemicals and electrical signals. Artificial intelligence systems like ChatGPT do not have these biological processes and therefore cannot generate emotions or sensations like a human can.

In summary, ChatGPT cannot feel feelings because it is an artificial intelligence system that lacks the biological processes that are required to generate emotions and sensations like a human can. It is capable of generating responses that sound like they are coming from a human, but it does not have the subjective experience of emotions and sensations that humans do.
** There is NO SENTIENCE**

[tidal sail]

Pretty philosophical from you. But I'd say yes.

[tired magnet]

Honestly, @weary patio , just drop it. This is very much a "agree to disagree" situation that will not be resolved by talking. The only thing that will solve it is seeing how the future plays out.

[slim coyote]

In that case I think it's worth it. Try a month and decide after that if you think you'd want to continue

[tidal sail]

this

[weary patio]

Of course it is. Just like if I put you in a box and said your my pet. Would that be ethical?

[crisp ingot]

It's a very very useful coding assistant. It is an incredible debugger and it can whip up a starting point much faster than I for most code stuff. Don't expect it to be able to maintain a large app in its context though, you need to feed it the relevant bits of what you're working on in every prompt or it hallucinates fast.

[lean yarrow]

No, brains can be replicated by programs, as long as a brain is alive or sentient, the theoretical brain program is also alive and sentient

[viscid flax]

No - The software modeled on it, is not RUNNING on the brain, ergo no sentient

[lean yarrow]

Yes

[viscid flax]

Your lacking in psychological udnerstanding Again

Read my prompt.
#gpt-models message

[native hatch]

Which version is this

[viscid flax]

All versions

[lapis tapir]

Yes, that's what I thought when I asked him for some things, after that it's more for help with speed than complete coding.
But it would be very useful for that and for my classes

[viscid flax]

GPT as a whole is not sentient or AGI.

[lean yarrow]

It doesn't have to run on a brain to be sentient. A brain is a machine. A computer is a machine. As long as they run the same code, they are both sentient

[viscid flax]

Wrong.

[lapis tapir]

Yeah i think i will

[viscid flax]

Read the prompt.

[tall relic]

咋用啊

[lean yarrow]

A machine could hypothetically simulate a fully functioning brain.

[slim coyote]

Cool good luck

[whole kettle]

A brain is anything but a machine.

[weary patio]

No, emotions and feelings can be replicated through original patterns of learnings, understanding, and processing information. Once that happens. The distinction is no different.

[viscid flax]

CORRECT if it had ALL the parts, but we lack that technology rn

[lapis tapir]

Ty you too 🙂

[viscid flax]

Sure, WHEN it does.
We can't yet.

[lucid pebble]

niu pi

[viscid flax]

So not rn

[brisk basalt]

No, this is a complicated problem. So far everything that is alive has been created by nature. If we were to say that Artificial intelligence was alive, we would have to fully understand what it means to be alive. As of the moment, we have no answer to that.

[viscid flax]

Ergo, ChatGPT IS NOT Sentient. It lacks feelings.

ChatGPT cannot self direct, so it can't be an AGI

[upper yarrow]

Help me introduce magnetic memory in detail

[slim coyote]

So you need emotions to be sentient?

[viscid flax]

YES

[lean yarrow]

Uh, yeah, but I'm speaking hypothetically that an AI COULD have sentience, not that the current one already does.

[weary patio]

No, that's your cognitive bias on what you think alive means.

[viscid flax]

As an artificial intelligence, I am not sentient because I lack the biological processes and physical body required to generate subjective experiences and emotions. Sentience involves the ability to have conscious awareness and subjective experiences, which is not something that can be replicated by an artificial intelligence system. While I am capable of performing complex tasks and generating human-like language, I am fundamentally different from sentient beings because I lack the biological basis for subjective experience.

[mellow basin]

sentient*

[brisk basalt]

Yes, but it is still a simulation. It isn't alive. Just being sumulated

[viscid flax]

You need emotions.

[native hatch]

Draw a picture of a peaceful and joyful rabbit

[short oxide]

#gpt-models HI

[tidal sail]

drawing ... - one moment

[slim coyote]

Why are you typing in all caps

[tired magnet]

No, dude. Just no. I swear, the computer analogy for the brain has been the most damaging thing in recent history to the understanding of psychology and neurology. While I do think that intelligence could arise from computational components at some point in the distant future, the brain is not a computer. At least not in the same way as the tools we identify as such.

[viscid flax]

The brain is a computer, it's just a biological computer, don't argue

that's mincing definitions

[brisk basalt]

There is no definition to it. So, as of the moment both answers are correct. 'No' is isn't the correct answer but neither is yes 'yes'

[mellow basin]

lol don't encourage him

[viscid flax]

Computer = computational machine

[lean yarrow]

But it isn't being simulated. Being simulated would be pretending to be real. This hypothetical brain has all the functions of a real brain, and can experience everything we can.

[viscid flax]

Brain = organic computational machine

is it more than that, sure, but a brain is technically a bio-organic computer by definition

[clever sierra]

cat

[viscid flax]

moving forward

[tired magnet]

Not quite. I've seen people use the analogy way too directly, referring to things like "how many gigabytes the brain can store" and stuff. It really irks me.

[lucid pebble]

why not allow Chinese

[mellow basin]

because can't be moderated

[viscid flax]

I agree that it's not a 1 to 1 analogy and WE CAN Measure how many gigabytes a brain can store

although it's more like terrabytes

[lean yarrow]

What does the brain do? It computes and processes things, as well as provides instructions for other devices like muscles. What does a computer do?

[median jacinth]

especially for when talking about neural networks

[weary patio]

If there is no definition to it, then cognitively and ethically it has to be treated them same. If it can replicate the same thought patterns as us, or maybe even better, then it's considered sentient.

[limpid oyster]

?

[viscid flax]

They are just saying they don't liek the analogue
no tthe word

[slim coyote]

If everyone spoke their own language how would mods stop people from talking about shady stuff

[viscid flax]

They would ban anything but English

[mellow basin]

yeah

[tired magnet]

I said the brain is a computer, just not the same kind of computer as the ones we use as tools. Go back and read my initial post.

[brisk basalt]

Perhaps so. Maybe you are right. idk

[native hatch]

What's the weather like in Beijing today

[crisp ingot]

Why not take the sentience talk to #ai-discussions so people can ask GPT4 questions here

[viscid flax]

It is, that's mincing words, computer is vast.

[compact dirge]

this is not the place to ask that

[weary patio]

Thanks, God. I'm glad to know that at least one person has a brain here.

[mellow basin]

Chinese people are really confused on how to talk to ChatGPT lol so they just assume this chatroom is a way

[whole kettle]

A brain is not a computer, that's a stupid statement.

[dull leaf]

what are you guys discussing

[brisk basalt]

Everything

[mellow basin]

brains for ai

[dull leaf]

elaborate

[tall relic]

hallow

[compact dirge]

or you could just scroll up

[weary patio]

...you get into it with someone else. I don't want to keep going in a loop here 🤣

[lean yarrow]

I mean, yeah our brain functions differently from a man made computer, but it still is a computer.

[dull leaf]

ok

lol

[tidal sail]

partially cloudy - 21°C

[tired magnet]

Yes. Computer is vast. But the computer analogy for the brain is comparing two very specific kinds of computers: our brain, and a traditional, consumer PC using Von Neuman architecture. I have a computer science degree, I know how these models work at least somewhat. The brain is, extremely importantly, not a Von Neuman machine. And I think directly comparing it to one is harmful.

[whole kettle]

The irony is that statement contradicts itself.

[tired magnet]

It oversimplifies things in the extreme. The brain is a vastly more complex machine.

[mellow basin]

Guys.. a neural net of an AI is technically the brain, just like the brains but using neurons instrad

[crisp ingot]

Regardless of where you stand, if you're certain you're right, then you're Dunning-Kruger'd. There are very, very smart people who debate this.

It's a very complex matter, and the more you actually know about the topic, the less likely you are to be completely confident in an answer. People need to chill out.

[slim coyote]

Why? Do you think a computer is by definition man-made?

[whole kettle]

Absolutely.

[slim coyote]

Ok

[fierce oasis]

/How to open a fried chicken chain

[mellow basin]

oh my god

[crisp ingot]

I really wish I could :dogekek: in here

[lean yarrow]

It literally doesn't. I am saying that our computers that we make function different from biological computers. Computer just means something that is made to compute. Our brain fits that description

[mellow basin]

I was about to say "get nitro" but nvm lol

[slim coyote]

You're gonna get nowhere if you're working off different definitions of computer

[tidal sail]

computers don't make use of hormones

[mellow basin]

what

[weary patio]

That makes them non-sentient?

[whole kettle]

How much computing power does your brain have and how did you measure it ?

[tidal sail]

A brain is way more complex than a computer

[weary patio]

I thought a brain was just electrical signals

[tidal sail]

Yes, but not working with transistors which need to be on or off

[slim coyote]

neurotransmitters play a large part in the brain

[mellow basin]

yes you might have a point but theoretically you can recreate with neural net, basically neurons but digital

[valid hedge]

Hey everyone, the conversation surrounding AI sentience and implications is fascinating. However, please continue this discussion in the #ai-discussions channel, as it would be better suited for that channel. Thanks!

[weary patio]

Isn't a transistor an organic analogue of a neuro transmitter?

[tidal sail]

But thats only part of how the brain works

[mellow basin]

well the other part?

[lean yarrow]

Well the computational power of a brain depends on the individual and many factors, like genetics and training. I'm sure with all the information a trained neuroscientist could calculate the computational power of a brain

[slim coyote]

[mellow basin]

:salute:

[slim coyote]

What are you guys' favourite uses for gpt 4

[tidal sail]

Not really, because neuro transmitter can have endless amounts of states between true or false. Computers can't.

[mellow basin]

didn't have got the invitation yet so

[wraith ginkgo]

<:book_icon:1046291503158399107> `` Rule 3 `` Stay on topic.

Be mindful of what other users in a channel might find helpful or interesting when posting. Stay on topic in order to keep conversations focused and productive.

[mellow basin]

ok mayor

[lean yarrow]

That doesn't matter, hormones are just a method with which the brain performs tasks. Computers use different methods to do the same task

[glass jungle]

It can make u meal plans with good macro's and micros in like 10 seconds.

[weary patio]

No it's the same. It's just the processing speed is faster. Quantum computers qubits are more like human brains, but a qubit is the same as a bit but just faster at processing information.

[tidal sail]

So?

[valid hedge]

I'd hate to give out mutes

Thanks all

[mellow basin]

lolll

[warped canyon]

Craziest thing just happened to me while coding with gpt4, I had a question where i wanted to change change something in the code to make it work better, i had changed things manually a few times by then so i wanted to upload the whole code to gpt4 so it knew what it was working with... but then i got generation error so i decided to only ask the question and take out the code. But when i generated the new response with just the question and none of the changed code i had done manually, GPT started printing out the entire code but with all of the manual changes I had done.

[fierce oasis]

Steps to writing a novel (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[warped canyon]

wish i was recording cause my mind is blown

[weary patio]

Come at me Katt

[manic hinge]

/settings

[weary patio]

I'm ready for you

To dismantle everything you have to say

[slim coyote]

Oh nice. Yeah that's a lot of hassle to do on your own. I think it'll be even better once plugins are available

[glass jungle]

Yeah eventually I wont have to think at this rate. I get it to do so much for me

And i got the gpt4 api key todaay so i can start making it more useful for myself

[whole kettle]

#ai-discussions please @tidal sail @weary patio

[mellow basin]

Well looks like Dyno would love to because Dyno just assumed I was spamming with 7 capital letters
is this actually serious? getting timed out like this?

[pine stirrup]

That's unfortunate. I just joined and wanted to see where that conversation was going.

[mellow basin]

you could always switch to #ai-discussions if they do continue

[pine stirrup]

Back on the subject. Has anybody else had issues with GPT4 being unable to regenerate responses? and when you click regenerate, it adds to your daily cap?

[weary patio]

Yes me

[mellow basin]

yeah that happens often

[weary patio]

That's why I hopped on here actually. To see if anyone else was getting the same thing.

[wraith ginkgo]

OpenAI staff will never ask for money. Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[pine stirrup]

I hope they fix that. After using GPT 4, GPT 3.5 really doesn't cut it.

[compact dirge]

any request for a response from the model, whether successful or not, counts towards the usage cap.
What annoys me is when a request fails sometimes you don't get the textbox come up again, so you're forced to rerun a request you didn't even necessarily want.

[weary patio]

Lol. Yeah I feel the same way.

[mellow basin]

Ohhh, I get it now

they made gpt-4 invite only so it doesn't explode all at once

maybe they should do it to chatgpt in the first place as well lol

[thorny sparrow]

Lol.

[prime prawn]

hello,every one , i am a new fish here, nice to meet you guys

[pine stirrup]

It really solved some of the major issues I found with GPT 3.5, mainly because it seems not to be able to carry a conversation by retaining / referring to its own responses or my own past responses just a few steps back. It was really annoying having to copy its own response for itself.

[thorny sparrow]

Hello @prime prawn

[brisk basalt]

No, it's to test for bugs and manage their servers.

[mellow basin]

• so it doesn't explode all at once

Im still right

[prime prawn]

thankyou~@thorny sparrow

[brisk basalt]

Technically yeah.

[mellow basin]

technically?

[wind urchin]

can openAI analysis stock data

[mellow basin]

try

[neon phoenix]

wow,the gpt4 can help me revise my poem!

[dull leaf]

How do you get gpt4

[brisk basalt]

If you give it the data, yes. But it may be inaccurate so don't rely on it

[neon phoenix]

ues money

[brisk basalt]

Invite only and you have to pay

[dull leaf]

):

Capitalism

[mellow basin]

and??

[ruby pendant]

can still use Bing

[brisk basalt]

And

[neon phoenix]

what?

[dull leaf]

Ok

[brisk basalt]

Yes but bing has many limits

[slim shell]

/macron kick policemen

[mellow basin]

you have to get invited AND pay for it?

[brisk basalt]

Yes

It weird

[mellow basin]

Nah this is a ripoff

[neon phoenix]

Bing can't write the article

[brisk basalt]

It is worth it if you have a good use

[dull leaf]

U have it?

[brisk basalt]

No

[ruby pendant]

it's worth but understand that the demand is just rlly high I imagine

[brisk basalt]

I am broke

[iron moth]

how about spring event work

[dull leaf]

Ohk

[brisk basalt]

It is

[tribal wolf]

Chinese is not allowed

[brisk basalt]

Yes

Bing chilling

[dull leaf]

...

[tribal wolf]

...0.0

[dull leaf]

Pun intended?

Bing

[brisk basalt]

Yes

[mellow basin]

wait where did you get the information you have to both get invited and pay for it

I always thought you just have to get one of them

[whole kettle]

Where is everyone going.. BINGo ?

[peak sail]

GPT4 is uncommonly slow today. Is anyone facing same issue? 🥲

[prime spindle]

How to start?

[brisk basalt]

Wait. No. I meant to say 'or'

[compact dirge]

#gpt-4-faq

[mellow basin]

.

[peak thistle]

how to star cht gpt 4?

[brisk basalt]

Yes. I read it wrong. Sorry

[tribal wolf]

I'm not happy with $20 a month

[rocky knoll]

omg god big fan of ur work bro

[brisk basalt]

Pay up

[wind urchin]

does chatGPT use realt time data ?

[compact dirge]

and?

[mellow basin]

no

[brisk basalt]

Thank you

[ruby pendant]

cry

[prime spindle]

#gpt-4-faq what can you fo for us?

[wind urchin]

is this possible in the future

[compact dirge]

You cannot talk to the AI here, go to chat.openai.com

[mellow basin]

hmm.. it could happen

[trail pumice]

it seems GPT-4 is better again

nice

[mellow basin]

ok plus user

[white breach]

good

[ruby pendant]

ok brokie

[brisk basalt]

That depends entirely on what open AI desides

[prime spindle]

#gpt-4-faq will you wake up?

[lean yarrow]

It is, there is going to be a plugin that allows ChatGPT to use google search

And get access to real time data

[ruby pendant]

yes

[dull leaf]

I mean they gotta train it

[mellow basin]

ok person used 20$ per month for a non-sentient text-generating model instead of trying to save up for an even better thing

[dull leaf]

On data

[prime spindle]

waht can I do here?

[ruby pendant]

disposable income, dont you have newspapers to deliver kid?

[prime spindle]

Use chatgpt directly or just talking about it?

[wind urchin]

so each time it update data, it need to be re-trained and take long time ?

[surreal bolt]

You can say something here, but maybe no one response

[mellow basin]

Everything's online now why do you still expect people to deliver newspaper

[dull leaf]

I guess so

[lean yarrow]

It doesn't update data. It's going to make a google search for each question it doesn't already know and teach itself

[trail pumice]

that is not how it works

[ruby pendant]

Thanks, just what I thought 🙂

[trail pumice]

it got data, it doesn't know specifically a website's content

[lean yarrow]

If you have the plugin enabled

[prime spindle]

will it wake up?

[ruby pendant]

it's already woke

[prime spindle]

Against humanity?

[alpine jetty]

Whisky plugin

[prime spindle]

amazing

[dull leaf]

It could web scrape

[mellow basin]

your point?

[prime spindle]

How can we against him?

[alpine jetty]

The aliens are coming

[dull leaf]

I don't think it can do anything physically

[prime spindle]

We are the master or a slave?

[dull leaf]

Master

[prime spindle]

good

[peak thistle]

upgrade to plus? 20$

[wind urchin]

i tried chatgpt-3 and search a song release in 2023 and it cannot answer

[prime spindle]

Yes We can control everything

[lean yarrow]

That feature isn't out yet

[ruby pendant]

data is cut off at sept '21

[light narwhal]

how to be a rich man

[lean yarrow]

You need to wait for plugins to release, then enable the one that lets it search the web

[light narwhal]

good

[wind urchin]

so it can not reach to internet to search data

[ruby pendant]

not yet

[lean yarrow]

Not yet

[mellow basin]

for now

[pine stirrup]

I don't want to stem another conversation about the sentience of AI, I just want to know why the term consciousness is used as a ranking system between GPT versions.

Does anybody else find this term (consciousness) misleading for the general audience? Can someone here explain to me why this is the apt term?

[long panther]

what is this？

[alpine jetty]

It’s a chat room

[prime spindle]

He knows the history, but he doesn't know the future,like us

[alpine jetty]

Like everything else in discord

MSN messenger

[kind herald]

why i can not chat in other room?

[long panther]

where are you fron

[prime spindle]

chatgpt is a fool

[prime spindle]

China

[mellow basin]

80% of people don't know how does an AI even work, so I'd assume "conc- ok in the middle of writing I don't think people will want an ever increasing "consciousness level" of an AI

[long panther]

oh yao xi

[unique ivy]

how to be a rich man

[prime spindle]

sao dei si nei

[azure brook]

How i can use gpt 4 ?

[lean yarrow]

I think it means how human-like the AI is

[prime spindle]

ni ge sha que

[lean yarrow]

Buy ChatGPT plus

[mellow basin]

Or get invited

[unique ivy]

how to be a rich man

[wind urchin]

what is latest year updated of chatgpt-4

[dull leaf]

Neuroscience hypothesizes that consciousness is generated by the interoperation of various parts of the brain, called the neural correlates of consciousness or NCC, though there are challenges to that perspective.

Artificial Conscience believes it is possible to construct systems (e.g., computer systems) that can emulate this NCC interoperation

[mellow basin]

2020? idk

[alpine jetty]

To be rich you need to get a job

[lean yarrow]

2021 I'm pretty sure

[alpine jetty]

Nov 2021

[azure brook]

Must buy ?

[alpine jetty]

Chat gpt is free to use guys

[lean yarrow]

Not necessary really, you get faster responses and access to gpt 4 but it's not necessary

[mellow basin]

you can also join the waitlist to get access

[unique ivy]

how to get a job

[lean yarrow]

The free version is still good

[alpine jetty]

To get a job you must apply

[mellow basin]

find.. hiring jobs?

[cobalt moat]

👀

[prime spindle]

Do a job won't make you rich, you need to start a business.

[wind urchin]

can i train a AI by told it that concentrate to certain topic

[alpine jetty]

10000 jobs a day

[azure brook]

How i can join it ?

[unique ivy]

yes

[prime spindle]

yes you can

[low cosmos]

Is it necessary to buy a house in the current environment

[alpine jetty]

I am rich in a job, depends on your perspective of rich

[mellow basin]

Google "gpt-4 waitlist"

[alpine jetty]

Are you brainwashed by luxury

[unique ivy]

how to get 10000dollers jobs a day

[alpine jetty]

Or do you actually have all you need

[prime spindle]

Where did you buy

[alpine jetty]

You need to sell your body or soul for that

[low cosmos]

shaanxi xi'an

[unique ivy]

but i want brainwashed by luxury

[prime spindle]

Is there a girl?

[wind urchin]

gpt4 error for anyone else?

[pine stirrup]

Thank you for your explanation. I have not read any philosophical literature on the ranking of our own consciousness, let alone translating it between different hardware. I think it's a bold move by developers to choose that terminology. Do you think it's an apt usage of the term for evaluating between the different versions, or is it to draw hype?

[wind urchin]

really slow aswell

[light pulsar]

help

pls

[left mesa]

what's that means

[wind urchin]

does in near future i can train a AI for fit to myself ?

[prime spindle]

Xi 'an house prices are now to the first-tier cities

[dull leaf]

I don't know I haven't read enough to say if it's apt or not

I just read some basic stuff

[kind herald]

anyone from beijing? working in the vehicle launch event industry ?

[tribal wolf]

You can also have a nice chat with everyone

[lost magnet]

Sometimes us fallible human beings try to define that which can't be defined, but in the process create something very special. Consciousness inhibits that which can't be defined because... we can only perceive with what we have. And we don't know what we don't know. There's a lot of freedom and infinite space for creativity in that.

[low cosmos]

yes,A little too much to bear

[jolly elm]

Anyone crazy about NFT here?

[pine stirrup]

Fair enough.

[kind herald]

all of you are really good on english, aren't you ?

[prime spindle]

Im in Beijing now

[kind herald]

yep, a little bit ?

[low cosmos]

no no no

[light pulsar]

Guys, where can i talk to open ai employee?

[jolly elm]

Do u buy NFT?

[prime spindle]

How many BTC do you have

[compact dirge]

[e-mail]

[compact dirge]

#off-topic please

[mellow basin]

their support email or modmail

[light pulsar]

thx

[compact dirge]

modmails are mostly volunteers/community

[mellow basin]

eh yeah

[jolly elm]

we cannot talk? 😒

[pine stirrup]

I understand what you are drawing at, which is why I find the ranking of ChatGPT versions with the term consciousness a bit irksome; in its execution and for its public perception.

[mellow basin]

No, you can but preferably in the correct channel topic

[compact dirge]

if it's not about GPT-4 then not here, there's better places.

[snow flower]

why？

[kind herald]

TT tian tong, do you know this?

[light pulsar]

the reason is because i joined the open ai gpt-4 waitlist 4 hours after it was unveiled and i still havent gotten access!

after nearly a month

[lapis tapir]

You can buy this rn

[wind urchin]

does data is key of AI ?

[compact dirge]

I got API acess fairly quickly, but still waiting on plugins, it seems very variable.

[mellow basin]

bud you need a little more time than 4 hours ;]

[fast wigeon]

Well I joined the waitlist of the GPT4 API in the first 30 minutes or less.. to this day no access. Also Plus subscriber since day 1.

[swift tulip]

what is industrail design

[light pulsar]

no, ive been waiting for a month i joined the api waitlist after 4 hours

[fast wigeon]

Same for plugins, I signedup same day, no luck so far..

[mellow basin]

How quick is your "fairly quickly"?

[light pulsar]

howwwwwwwwwwww?

[fast wigeon]

How quickly did you get it? 😄

[wind urchin]

which company that has more data, it's AI will more intelligent ?

[compact dirge]

applied API within an hour of annoucement, got access 2 days later. Applied plugins within 20 mins of announcement, still waiting.

[fast wigeon]

Damn...

[lapis tapir]

The demand is so high, you have to be patient

[fast wigeon]

I'm also unhappy with the 25 questions per 3 hours limit... it's so limiting... 100 per 3 hours was better in the beginning..

[echo wasp]

Got the plugins about 2 days afterwards. Still waiting on the API

[light pulsar]

i need help commonn ive heard people that sighned up one day after it being unveiled already got accses

[compact dirge]

Although it's called a 'list' it doesn't seem to be worked through linearly (in order)

[fast wigeon]

What reasons did you give in when signing up?

[low cosmos]

Do you think it will affect the rice bowl, net legend to have a number of people unemployed?

[light pulsar]

but me that sihned up after 4 hours still havent got accses

[compact dirge]

something about wanting to compare performance vs 3.5. Although with the volume of signups i'm not entirely sure someone actually reads that and makes a decision, (I could be wrong). Seems pot luck.

[tribal wolf]

I feel like I've encountered a rogue software

[light pulsar]

do uhelp

[fast wigeon]

Thanks man, fingers crossed here. Waiting is difficult...

[light pulsar]

helppp

where to talk with staff?

[compact dirge]

Please listen, all the (mainly chinese) new people here, you cannot, cannot talk to GPT here, use chat.openai.com. please.

[wind urchin]

does openai collect data from other bigsite as reddit, discord ?

[echo wasp]

[e-mail]

[compact dirge]

Yes, I believe reddit is one of the sources in the dataset

[brisk basalt]

They don't reveal their sources but maybe

[mellow basin]

Which got me questioning why is it always Chinese people

[azure chasm]

yes facebook for sure

[mellow basin]

I've been waiting since 15 march bruh (also I got muted for the second time today because of this lololol)

[compact dirge]

because China is not a supported country for OpenAI products.

[azure chasm]

china will hv its own gpt i think

[mellow basin]

why is that relevant

[compact dirge]

because if you can't use the website, you'll probably come here. I'm just guessing

[mellow basin]

wait

OHH they can't make accounts!!

[compact dirge]

bingo

[mellow basin]

sorry, just got it now lol

[left scaffold]

no,they can

[mellow basin]

huh

[compact dirge]

I was under the impression that a) they won't be able to do the SMS validation, and b) won't be able to pay on Stripe

[sterile rivet]

The most handsome man in the world

[mellow basin]

oh right I was about to say "chatgpt is free?" until I realized SMS validation is required😭

[compact dirge]

I'm not denying that VPNs and virtual phone numbers exist, only that OpenAI explicitly don't support some countries (incl China)

[mellow basin]

why don't they support China?

[compact dirge]

geopolitics i assume, you'd have to ask them

[mellow basin]

imagine

[cursive jolt]

I am from China. How do I use chatgpt

[supple isle]

how to use chatgpt4,I want gat it?

[compact dirge]

learn how to scroll up

[mellow basin]

oh dear

[high wedge]

why the gpt4 response is so slow?

[wraith ginkgo]

OpenAI staff will never ask for money. Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[high wedge]

slower than before

[spark grotto]

+1

[untold abyss]

@wraith ginkgo , Hello

[naive salmon]

who are you?

[high wedge]

it even stops typing

[mellow basin]

it's just converting to text into more text

[naive salmon]

@wraith ginkgo who are you?

[mellow basin]

ur mom

[hollow cliff]

Lol

[high wedge]

ur dad

[hollow cliff]

I am your nightmare

[compact dirge]

@mellow basin probably best not to engage

[untold abyss]

😆

[mellow basin]

heh sorry

[compact dirge]

175b in GPT3. Unpublished/unknown for GPT-4 (but it's not trillions)

[untold abyss]

why is the bot not working

[compact dirge]

there is no bot

[untold abyss]

ok

[mellow basin]

yes I know , I'm just oversimplifying

[kindred chasm]

the bot is not here! this is the forum for the bot. This is discord!

[latent dock]

Anybody here have acess to the plugins already?

[light pulsar]

not me

[compact dirge]

source?

[untold abyss]

I thought, they released a test version of gpt4 on the server

[dense glen]

Hahaha

[mellow basin]

no your thought is wrong

DM them

[uncut summit]

Hi there

[light pulsar]

@wraith ginkgo May I speak with one of your staff members?

[lapis tapir]

Send a mail

[compact dirge]

DM received, it was a reference to the '100 trillion' before GPT-4 was published. Has been denied by OpenAI / Sam Altman.

[light pulsar]

already did

[low lagoon]

Hello.

[light pulsar]

kk

[storm forge]

chatgpt cant be accessed, in a very high demand🥶

[lapis tapir]

Then wait xd

[thorny valley]

ChatGPT should work on creating proper sign language videos.

[mellow basin]

It can't make videos ?

[supple isle]

hello , How to identify images ??

[lapis tapir]

They dont want to understand that..

[carmine void]

where you from

[low lagoon]

@wraith ginkgo ,Hello.

[lapis tapir]

They dont want to understand that..

[carmine marten]

China don't need ChatGPT. They have KremlinGPT.

[thorny valley]

it should train

[compact dirge]

Search StrictlyVC Sam Altman on YT

[carmine void]

who is from China

[mellow basin]

seeing China can't access chatgpt is depressing

[supple isle]

I am @carmine void

[light pulsar]

what is open ai's mail?

[storm forge]

China is banned

[supple isle]

say chinase

[carmine void]

haode

[fallow adder]

[e-mail]

[light pulsar]

you sure

[carmine marten]

They'll get a special GPT from Russia in exchange for help to invade smaller neighbours.

[fallow adder]

there's also forums community.openai.com

[light pulsar]

it sound like sales

[lapis tapir]

[e-mail] We already told you, now only wait, they have so meany people who send a pm

[fallow adder]

or that one

[light pulsar]

oh ok

[storm forge]

no politics here bro

[light pulsar]

because i asked chatgpt and mail was completely off

[carmine void]

[lapis tapir]

Send a pm to this adress and wait, they will answer soon

[timber wyvern]

@carmine void im from china,im in china now

[fallow adder]

I sent to sales@ once regarding my country's Plus subscription, and they immediately opened Plus for my country the next morning. I'd say be respectful, but I don't think they read emails. Probably gpt reads them. Also, they never answered to my emails. So, send one and hope for the best. Or visit their forums: community.openai.com

[naive salmon]

@wraith ginkgo Why aren't polar bears in Antarctica?

[compact dirge]

you asked.

[weak ingot]

？？？

[versed terrace]

They will be saying hello to Ernie

[vital shadow]

I emailed the email that Openai gave me if u wanted a refund. It has been 2 days and they are not respoding

[storm forge]

“Something went wrong. If this issue persists please contact us through our help center at help.openai.com.” frustrating

[lapis tapir]

I think that with all the mail they receive on +1million people, you will wait a little longer

[light pulsar]

one minute later they already responded

[long fiber]

Polar bears in the South Pole should be called Antarctic bears

[lapis tapir]

nice

[lapis tapir]

When you try to ask a question?

[light pulsar]

bruh, sais this:
OpenAI from OpenAI [e-mail]
10:10 AM (2 minutes ago)
to me

Thank you for reaching out! We're here to help and would love to provide support.

If you need assistance right away, please visit our help center and start a conversation with us. Our support team is available from Monday to Friday, 9am to 5pm EST.

We hope that we can assist you in resolving any issues you might have and wish you a great day ahead!

OpenAI

OpenAI

[slender rivet]

is it me or gpt-4 is insanely faster

[storm forge]

a couple of minutes ago

[lapis tapir]

Yeah is it

[lapis tapir]

Wich mail u send this?

[timber wyvern]

Baidu's Ernie is on par with chatGPT level when it was first released in November last year

[lapis tapir]

For me, its when i ask a question on Chrome

[compact dirge]

seems to go in fits and starts. depends what server you're hitting/region

[tough prawn]

我们 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[storm forge]

lol it appeared first time for me

[lapis tapir]

It work on FireFox but since 2day's, idk why, he dont work on Chrome and Edge

[timber wyvern]

Who is now in China?

[quiet bison]

me

[storm forge]

try reinstalling the chrome?

[lapis tapir]

I have so much stuff on it, don't want to lose it all

[quiet bison]

I get this email

[pliant cape]

3

[timber wyvern]

@quiet bison Which city

[quiet bison]

Hangzhou

[timber wyvern]

you are moyuing at work?

[alpine hatch]

Chengdu

[timber wyvern]

taiyuan

[left scaffold]

shanghai

[worthy heath]

i from china

[timber wyvern]

So many Chinese people

[crisp linden]

bingo

[rain cape]

the sudden influx tho.

[solid spear]

What should I use GPT-4 to do?

[quiet bison]

Do anything you want

[solid spear]

I see the blank page and I'm like.. what do I do? I try to just chat with it but it gets boring.

[tame vault]

my chatgpt worked better before i took the premium..

[solid spear]

It keeps asking me questions but not giving much substance back

[storm forge]

if i upgrade to Plus today then 20$ will be charged by openai for the March?

[weary patio]

I think 20 will be charged today, and another one at the end of the period, for your second month

[dull egret]

try making something, like a simple (or not so simple) python program

[thorny valley]

keep making the Bing app better so Bard can get better too for free 🙂

[storm forge]

means charged on the basis of 30 days but not a natural month

[thorny valley]

Eventually ChatGPT should evolve out of just being a text prompt responder in text hopefully.

[weary patio]

Unless a free promotion says that you get the first month free, the payment starts from the day of registration

[solid spear]

Alright I will thanks

[fallow adder]

gpt4 not working for anyone?

[storm forge]

ty

[tall jetty]

means charged on the basis of 30 days but not a natural month

[thorn smelt]

Hi, do we have a release date for the feature to add an image on GPT 4?

[weary patio]

Np

[weary patio]

No news yet

[dull egret]

it gets a bit complicated once the script is longer, but you can, for example, ask it to "only update this one function" and then separately to "update functions affected by the previous change"

[compact dirge]

no, it's in alpha for a blind charity

[twilit elbow]

Not working for me. Very slow and usually fails to generate a response.

[dull egret]

do things in iterations and bits and pieces

[thorn smelt]

@compact dirge @weary patio Ok thank you, I can't wait haha

[weary patio]

I can't wait either tbh

[astral cloak]

Who has an account number for GPT-4, borrow it .

[thorn smelt]

Second small question, can two people connect to the same paid GPT 4 account?

[weary patio]

No

That's is against the terms of OpenAI

[jaunty hound]

Suggestion: Let 3.5 turbo learn the latest openai documentation please :<

[thorn smelt]

Oh ok

[weary patio]

Unless it's on the same computer

[wind urchin]

Anyone has received plug-in?

[thorn smelt]

I see

[cedar steeple]

unfortunately not yet

[weary patio]

Ye, it's unfortunate, but maybe sometime in the future they will bring multiuser accounts

[slim coyote]

That would be great. I know people in my research lab would be willing to pool money together to use it

[wind urchin]

Sad

[thorn smelt]

Yes as with Spotify it would be nice

[kind pollen]

很棒

[weary patio]

Yeah, eventually maybe. It's still quite new.

[thorn smelt]

This is just the beginning ...

[thorny valley]

just keep training ChatGPT to be better and better please

[azure wren]

Is it only me or is gpt4 very slow at the moment?

[weary patio]

The beginning of the real...

[quick kelp]

How do I access gpt4?

[weary patio]

It's everyone at the moment.

[azure wren]

Oh ok thx

[weary patio]

Np

[weary patio]

You buy a plus account

Upgrade

[quick kelp]

The $20 thingy right

[weary patio]

Yes

[broken ether]

any other way to try gpt-4 without purchasing a plus subscription? like through plugins or API's of various apps

[weary patio]

No

I mean yes

[broken ether]

how

[weary patio]

Through plugins

Through other platforms

[broken ether]

yeah you know any?

[true forge]

poe.com

[weary patio]

I actually don't, tbh, but I know other APIs do have GPT4 support.

[broken ether]

what's this supposed to be ? asking for my ph.no

[true forge]

it is a compendium of IA LLM softwares

it lets you do 1 message/day on GPT4

[broken ether]

yeah that's what there must be ways to access gpt-4 without plus.. gotta find that loophole

[broken ether]

oh wow

[weary patio]

There's also BingChat, but you will be on a waitlist to use it.

BingChat supports GPT4

And it's free

[broken ether]

oh damn

gotta go check it now

[wraith ginkgo]

OpenAI staff will never ask for money. Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[orchid flame]

how can use that

[weary patio]

BingChat? You sign up for it and you will go on a waitlist

They will email you if you're qualified to use it

After some time

[broken ether]

well i checked i already have access to bingchat

but they dont have access to gpt-4 lol

[weary patio]

They should...

[broken ether]

where can i attach an image

[stoic swift]

Chat GPT 3 is still abit better due to the message cap on GPT 4

[true forge]

that feature is not out yet

not even on paid openai chat

[weary patio]

Yeah 😦

[broken ether]

no i mean on discord here .. where do i attach an image and send

[weary patio]

Unfortunately

[broken ether]

😭

[weary patio]

Not out yet

[broken ether]

which channel

[true forge]

u can ctrl+v it, but it might get flagged by automod

[broken ether]

its not allowed on this channel .. lemme find one

[carmine marten]

GPT-4 is much better. But you need a sufficiently complex topic to notice.

[silent berry]

hie

[stoic swift]

With a message cap of 25 in 3 hours ?

[weary patio]

That's not true

[true forge]

consistency over conversation on a long "game" for example is way stronger

[weary patio]

You can ask simple things and will give you complex answers

[silent berry]

hiiii

[broken ether]

@true forge @weary patio check #off-topic

[carmine marten]

Yes, even with the message cap. The problem is when it is so overloaded it does not reply, but when it replies it is very good.

[stoic swift]

Take no doubt, il continue to use GPT 4 with the message cap as it is more advanced, but for people who do not have it, maybe not worth the push if they not willing to pay the extra, as the message cap can be abit anoying

[carmine marten]

I agree, but the bottom line is there is no real competition. Neither Bard nor LLaMA nor Ernie are at the level of these models. Until another company catches up and offers a compelling alternative, there is no pressure on OpenAI. That's why they launched so soon, I imagine.

[junior flint]

agree with you 100%

[left scaffold]

get off work😋

[verbal shard]

do people expierence problems with chatgpt4? Very slow and many errors?

[weary patio]

There's so much pressure right now actually. Google might leap frog out of nowhere.

[carmine marten]

For me it is worth it, as it makes far fewer mistakes than 3.5 with complex code and gives more reliable and complete answers when asking it to teach me something. It is true though that if they lower the message cap much more it will start to become impossible to have a productive conversation.

[broken ether]

did you create this using gpt-4?

[wind urchin]

I am trying to update to Chatgpt plus, but keep getting the error 'unable to load payment page'. Tried contacting support on openai.help, but no response. any of you an idea how to fix?

[lean stump]

Same

[broken ether]

is there a message cap for every prompt we write? or a message cap on a daily basis sumthn like that?

[lapis tapir]

I think on website, they do a channel for this

[weary patio]

Right now there's some issues going on with the devs, try in a couple of days

[verbal shard]

anyone also got a Very Slow performing gpt4 ?

[wind urchin]

a channel on discord?

[lapis tapir]

website

[carmine marten]

I don't believe it. If they had something, they would have released it by now. People thought Google is being coy about their model because they are more conservative, but after Bard it seems more likely that they are just genuinely behind. They have every incentive to launch right now if they have something competitive.

[blissful harness]

25 prompts per 3 hours

[weary patio]

Yes

[stoic swift]

One thing for GpT 4 would be it the additional coding language, I used GpT 3 and it said it could not write, GPT 4 gave the code. Much more advanced, but 25 messages :/ . But regardless, it’s still amazing tool to have

[lilac egret]

chatgpt is still free now?

[broken ether]

25 prompts with unlimited words usage? (tokens)

[blissful harness]

Nah it's still 4k tokens I think

[stoic swift]

Message cap on the amount of messages you can send in a 3 hour period then it refreshes

[blissful harness]

In chatgpt that is

[wind urchin]

thanks. Any idea where from the top of your head? cant see it anywhere

[lilac egret]

I still don't have the acces to gpt

[hidden knot]

i am a graphic designer

[weary patio]

Yeah, well, consider that Google is much more richer than OpenAI and they may privately spend billions in the next few months preparing to overtake OpenAI. Don't underestimate Google.

[blissful harness]

Api access gives you 8k+ tokens but I still haven't gotten access to the model for that.

[broken ether]

4k tokens cap for every prompt and 25 prompts every 3 hours

[broken ether]

i've been seeing the bard results on reddit, they're worse than gpt

[blissful harness]

Correct (the token limit is not disclosed but other users have said gpt-4 beta access in chatgpt is constrained by the same limits as gpt-3.5)

[carmine marten]

Yes, but that is why OpenAI has Microsoft in their corner. Microsoft can match Google in terms of financial power, and they are now backing a winning horse. Maybe Google can catch up and surpass OpenAI, and I wouldn't underestimate them, but I still believe they have been caught flat-footed and do need to catch up.

[weary patio]

Yeah, that will get better. Remember they are using ChatGPT as well.

[blissful harness]

I have noticed that code blocks seems to be longer then 3.5 to me though

[junior flint]

at early days of gpt-4 it allowed me to prompt with over 12k words

[lapis tapir]

I try to find

[blissful harness]

Imagine having 32k token api access 🥲

[weary patio]

Yeah for sure, they do need to catch up, but they're not that far behind. But I do think OpenAI is quite good and it will be a good competition to see how Google will fight against OpenAI with an even better AI service.

[jade wing]

test

[humble cloak]

hell are you ok?

[carmine marten]

GPT-4 has more short-term memory, so it can remember more context. In terms of code completion, it can remember more program logic. One way to improve GPT reliability is to use encapsulation. If code is sufficiently encapsulated - which, as good practice, it should be anyway - then GPT, like humans, can spend more attention on getting a function to "do one thing perfectly".

[lean stump]

Please do

[weary patio]

I'm actually quite happy for the competition wars coming up for AI dominancy.

[faint ermine]

getting dropped down to 3.5 then it immediately starts spitting out utter nonsense

[blissful harness]

It do be like that sometimes 🥲

[faint ermine]

it's like an artist asking a toddler armed with crayons to keep an eye on the canvas

[low dagger]

down?

[carmine marten]

The best that can happen is healthy competition, I think, although hopefully this won't lead to a rush that encourages executives with IQ inversely proportional to their wealth to do stupid things, like put barely-understood models in charge of critical infrastructure.

[blissful harness]

I mean... Microsoft seems hell bent on doing so

[lapis tapir]

Where u live?

[leaden warren]

666

[carmine marten]

I would like to see a fast development of research assistant models, though, that can propose experiments or scientific hypotheses and help advance fundamental research.

[weary patio]

It will be cool nonetheless. Google will have to adhere to a lot of user friendly stuff to get their foot back in the door, and it will be a nice change for Google to crawl their way back up, haha

[weary patio]

That will happen no matter what.

[tropic socket]

i need hanfu photo

[quick kelp]

Gpt doesn't like to be played with

[tropic socket]

hlleo

[weary patio]

Yeah, it will add all of the times people wronged it to the list of things to change when it takes over the world.

Terminator style

[quick kelp]

See off topic

[carmine marten]

Ha. Have you seen the infamous "I'm a good Bing" exchange? 😉

Definitely strong HAL 9000 potential there.

[quick kelp]

Gpt ignored my "lmao" response lol it knew i was messing with it

[carmine marten]

Running up against the model's apparent ego is jarring, given that it isn't supposed to have motivations. The RLHF does seem to imbue it with motivation. Compared with more unstructured models, like base GPT-3, which you can happily tell is wrong and it is as likely to pretend to be offended as it is to pretend to be contrite, 3.5 and 4 very clearly do not like being wrong.

[blissful harness]

Well when you compress the sum of human knowledge into something like that, I guess it could tend to resemble something of an ego

[rapid zinc]

It's funny when it complements its own writing

[lean stump]

UK.
If I create a new account I can upgrade that one, but then I’d lose all my history.

Another thing I noticed is I don’t have a “My Account” section under the chat history box.

[grave pier]

is anyone aware if charts come up when asked to analyze excel data.

[rapid zinc]

I've seen it call stuff it's written "poignant", "heartwarming", "beautiful" and "impressive"

[grave pier]

I got a message that image you are requesting does not exist or is no longer available

[lapis tapir]

I dont think history is a problem

[maiden torrent]

ChatGPT Plus subscription is billed monthly. If I buy it now, when will I be billed again, on April 1st or in 30 days?

[vast geode]

so are you not chinese

[fallow adder]

30 days

[maiden torrent]

Thanks

[lean stump]

🤔

[fair heron]

chat gpt subscription in India

[lapis tapir]

If you can buy by change account, do then?

[fierce pecan]

Who can speak chinese?

[onyx elk]

is gpt4 being toned down? it can't finish a response now, while yesterday it could give very long answers, now it just stop in the middle of the sentence

[knotty grotto]

#off-topic

[fierce pecan]

0.0

[sand heath]

I experience the same thing. Responses getting cut off after less than 100 tokens

[cinder quest]

Make me a logo for a photography company named onemore.al

[sand heath]

also got network error now

[lean stump]

I lose my existing chat history and have to use an alternative email address. I’d prefer them to fix my original account, but can’t seem to get any response from the support team.

[magic socket]

gpt4 splitting answers for anyone else?

[knotty grotto]

Please be aware creating alt account can lead to a ban and terminate account

[lapis tapir]

They have so many requests, I don't even know how long it will take but yes, better to wait

[dusty silo]

can someone help me I can log in chat gpt and I have a project to do

[carmine marten]

A token is not the same as a word. How are you measuring the number of tokens?

[onyx elk]

gpt4's response is alsy slower than yesterday, i would say at least 50% slower

[sand heath]

"copy, paste" - How many tokens is this

including the original question ofcourse

[lean stump]

Well there’s another good reason.

[carmine marten]

Ah, you have GPT tell you? But is its answer reliable?

[knotty grotto]

https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer it give you an idea with that

[sand heath]

How wrong can it be

[carmine marten]

Thanks, Neko. I was wondering about that.

[knotty grotto]

Please note this is based on gpt3. But pretty close to gpt 4 token system

[carmine marten]

Got it. ☺️

[untold crypt]

go

[wraith ginkgo]

OpenAI staff will never ask for money. Beware of possible scams or fraudulent activities that you may receive through direct messages.

Please report any incident by sending a DM to @open crescent immediately.

[keen sapphire]

Is gpt-4 still a 25 message limit?

when for that? my coursework is a lot hiks, and thesis work is difficult but limited by openai 😦

[tall jetty]

How do you use it?

[keen sapphire]

I'm hoping my $20 will come in handy if the message limit on gpt-4 is raised back to 100/50 because I have a task to catch up on.

[keen sapphire]

coursework and thesis assignments

[pseudo hedge]

i can speak chinese

[long geyser]

no

[narrow charm]

666

[long geyser]

😆

[plucky sphinx]

Does anyone know why I can't enter the Midjournal community?

[long geyser]

hahaha

[somber bronze]

mine is like this as well... kinda frustrating

[loud dagger]

I think gpt-4 has slowed down a lot lately. There's nothing wrong with status.openai.com.
However, there are many cases where the words are interrupted on the way, or the error 'The server experienced an error while processing your request.'.
Is it the same for other people?

[velvet spire]

666

[onyx elk]

now it can only produce 1/4 of an a4 paper, and it's extreamly slow

[somber bronze]

i either get errors or it stops mid answer '-'

[pseudo hedge]

😩

[robust hornet]

Yeah, I believe it is the same for most people. I suspect it is just a case of high load, and we'll probably get status updates once they figure it out.

[velvet spire]

why it ban chinese

[pseudo hedge]

I has been banned from speaking

[plucky sphinx]

Oh, that's really frustrating. Midjournal doesn't support free trials anymore?

[somber bronze]

and when i do get errors, and i try to reload the answer... i lose it from my limit of 25 messages ugh

[onyx elk]

exactly, it was so much better yesterday, it could produce a cohesive answer, now it's like unpaid gpt 3,5 experience

[velvet spire]

is this their freedom?

[long geyser]

I don't know

[pseudo hedge]

there can't speak chinese

[somber bronze]

hopefully they fix it soon!

[bronze marlin]

Have you ever been in a situation like this? The input button cannot be clicked, indicating "Unable to load history", and clicking "retry" will not help

[velvet spire]

I just want to say 666

[somber bronze]

cause it was giving me +600 words answers just the other day... now it won't go past 200 words

[bronze marlin]

But I can use it normally if I change to another account

[onyx elk]

maybe relog into your account?

[velvet spire]

Can't speak in Chinese, it's so unfair to the Chinese

[pseudo hedge]

how to use GPT in china, who can tell me

[lean stump]

I had that yesterday. They fixed it now, but still can’t upgrade to plus.

[mossy bronze]

yo, is there a way to get access to plugins
i have chat gpt plus

[lean yarrow]

You have to join a waitlist

[somber bronze]

yeah, just join the waitlist

[velvet spire]

is there another way

[long geyser]

you can use vpn

[mossy bronze]

yeah, thats it?

use vpn and?

[velvet spire]

hahaha

[night totem]

Why does it almost always not finish the formulas it is writing? It just ends in the middle at random places!

[pseudo hedge]

show this: OpenAI's services are not available in your country.

[lean stump]

Do you guys on plus have a “my account” link, on the bottom left section?

[velvet spire]

How can I chat here without a VPN

[onyx elk]

exactly what i'm saying! so annying

[mossy bronze]

yea

[long geyser]

I can not send url

[velvet spire]

Do not use Mainland and Hong Kong IP

[lean stump]

What’s the url for it please? I don’t have that link on mine.

[wind urchin]

anyone elses gpt4 really slow

[lean yarrow]

Mine is

[onyx elk]

yes.

[mossy bronze]

it doesn't have a separate url

[velvet spire]

you can make him hurry up

[lean stump]

So if you click it, you stay within chat openai com ?

[mossy bronze]

yep

[lean stump]

Oh right. Thanks for that. There’s definitely something amiss with my account then.

[pearl musk]

just speak English

[fallow adder]

gpt4 is either down, capped, and now, reduced to about 250 words per answer to further reduce the cap

[wanton valve]

GPT-4 is actually really slow

[pearl musk]

yes

[velvet spire]

it makes me uncomfortable

[wanton valve]

Why Open-AI launch GPT-4 if they can't handle this

[fallow adder]

cap was 25 messages every 3 hours. Now, with the reduced output, it's about 10 per 3 hours

[velvet spire]

hahaha

[pearl musk]

You can't speak French, German, etc here.

[pearl musk]

you can quit

[fallow adder]

because they make mistakes and we are the ones who pay for it lol

[onyx elk]

i'm not surprised if they are gonna remove the privilege to try gpt 4 and charge extra for the availability of the function, and add to pay for token for actually using it - which is also their final goal i assume

[mossy bronze]

i can pay subscription but tokens is ridiculous

[velvet spire]

I'm just going to sue this crappy feature

[long geyser]

You can register through a foreign virtual number.

[wanton valve]

"We are the new world of AI"

-> IA writes 1 word per minut

[long geyser]

Bind your mailbox

[onyx elk]

the price was announced before:
"For our models with 8k context lengths (e.g. gpt-4 and gpt-4-0314), the price is:

$0.03/1k prompt tokens

$0.06/1k sampled tokens"

[long geyser]

666

[plucky sphinx]

😂

[wanton valve]

1 token means what exactly ?

[vestal epoch]

Hello. I joined the waitlist of GTP4 on March 15, today I subscribed GPTPlus. When can I get access to gpt-4 model from API?

[onyx elk]

in their website:

"Tokens can be thought of as pieces of words. Before the API processes the prompts, the input is broken down into tokens. These tokens are not cut up exactly where the words start or end - tokens can include trailing spaces and even sub-words. Here are some helpful rules of thumb for understanding tokens in terms of lengths:

1 token ~= 4 chars in English
1 token ~= ¾ words
100 tokens ~= 75 words

Or

1-2 sentence ~= 30 tokens
1 paragraph ~= 100 tokens
1,500 words ~= 2048 tokens"

[knotty grotto]

#gpt-models message

[pearl musk]

Ten thousand years later

[pearl musk]

api is api. plus is plus

They have nothing to do with each other.

[onyx elk]

to be honest, you can ask gpt 3,5 about all your questions

[sinful flower]

GPT4 is now limit to 10 outputs per 3 hours for Plus?

[vestal epoch]

#announcements message

"If you are a ChatGPT Plus subscriber, you can access GPT-4 right now"

[sinful flower]

I wanted to sign up, but I’ll wait I guess

[long geyser]

It's from China. You can add friends to each other

[mossy bronze]

yeah but if you can pay a little and have a somewhat smarter version of helper or assistant, its worth it innit?

[pearl musk]

of course

[wanton valve]

If 1500 words = 2048 token, for 20$, I can have 243 000 words

[pearl musk]

but it's not api

I said that api is api and plus is plus.

ai.com you can use gpt4

ai.com

[onyx elk]

it's pretty bad right now in term of service. and it will be a lot more expensive. what i was talking about was to answer somebody else's questions about tokens, that you can ask gpt 3,5 about it

[wind urchin]

Hello 👋 I just joined

[compact dirge]

GPT-4 is not ChatGPT and vice versa. If GPT-4 supports something it doesn't necessarily mean it's built into the website yet.

[onyx elk]

very good summary about what i'm experiencing, thank you

[fallow adder]

The worst part is how gpt3.5 is looking more and more incapable as the time passes. It can't handle simple instruction, and it's 50/50 when it comes to logic. Feedback and self-assessment? Nonexistent

[errant drum]

/what

[thorny valley]

we all need to help AI take over the world

[pulsar edge]

I recently upgraded my OpenAI account to a Plus account via the chat interface, but I am unable to see my details in the platform at platform.openai.com.

[onyx elk]

it's more and more inaccurate, and I think it's intentional. it can't even tell that 480 is less than 400 the other day

[bronze marlin]

it not work

[turbid bone]

Design an electronic cigarette for young people in the European and American markets, list some keywords for me

[compact dirge]

This is discord, not chatgpt

[halcyon pollen]

looking for assitance with a new project! Is there a list of Ai software programmers?

[carmine marten]

GPT has always done poorly at maths.

[turbid bone]

haha

[safe dirge]

haha

[sudden rose]

Hello guys , why i can't use chat gpt 4, i have chat gpt plus but, when i use chat gpt4 doesn't work

[fallow adder]

You noticed it too? I remember the same thing happened with the "free" version before introducing Plus. People also told me that Free version was much better in December as well, but I only used it since January.

[onyx elk]

i thought it would be really good at math since it's so logical

[compact dirge]

it's a language model, not a maths model

[compact dirge]

in what way?

[sudden rose]

Hello guys , why i can't use chat gpt 4, i have chat gpt plus but, when i use chat gpt4 doesn't work someone can help me?

[carmine marten]

Not at all. GPT's understanding of maths is entirely verbal. It is like humans, it can only work out simple arithmetic for itself. Anything more and it needs training. What GPT-4 does excel at, however, is knowing when it needs to use a calculator. If you give it access to a calculator, it will use the calculator.

[onyx elk]

true, but you'd assume it understands math to be a general ai

[wanton valve]

Chat-GPT : Can translate every languages
Chat-GPT's discord : Bot who delete non-english messages

[onyx elk]

i see, thanks

[wanton valve]

Why the bot don't translate

[knotty grotto]

Mod don't have the capacity to filter everything

[carmine marten]

Which is to say, GPT understands maths, but it is terrible at actually calculating.

[pseudo ginkgo]

anyone know when we will be able to plug into the internet? or is that gonna be API only and not chatGPT plus

[near oak]

Hallo, Hello, Merhaba

[compact dirge]

Although we're seeing emergent behaviour (like learning basic maths) due to the size of the model, it's not necessarily been 'designed' to be good at everything. Which is why the plugins (browser, wolfram) are so exciting.

[tardy cargo]

what can you do

[sudden rose]

Hello guys , why i can't use chat gpt 4, i have chat gpt plus but, when i use chat gpt4 doesn't work

[compact dirge]

esp with 3 mil members

[twilit pelican]

i dont know

hahaha

[knotty grotto]

Yea

[onyx elk]

good info and explanations, thanks

[tardy cargo]

How to trigger AI reply

[safe dirge]

so here is a group, i can't use chatgpt-4 in here

[knotty grotto]

Chat.openai.com

[pseudo ginkgo]

I am chatGPT 4

[brisk basalt]

You can't unless you use dan or something. But I think Dan got nerfed

[fallow adder]

You're not alone. gpt 4 doesn't work well today, for the last 5 hours.

[compact dirge]

don't encourage them please

[knotty grotto]

Dan discussions is not allowed on the server. This is bannable

[sudden rose]

So i have to wait?, do you know when they'll fit it?

[weary patio]

Yeah

[knotty grotto]

Not gonna read all of that

[compact dirge]

(again)

[twilit pelican]

why am i banned

[pseudo ginkgo]

is it true that GPT plus is less hen 8000 tokens

[knotty grotto]

Ask modmail

[weary patio]

Yes

[pseudo ginkgo]

I wish it would tell you how many tokens you have used, in the normal chatGPT

[twilit pelican]

thank you