what are you, dumb?
#[Jill Valentine] New Unit Megathread
loud yoke
For the non-pilgrims 
Anyone who skipped Rouge knows 
And next wind-weak raid will expose the NGE2 skippers/new players lacking Wasuka
kind gorge
implying anni isn't wind
obtuse geyser
anni is water 
obtuse geyser
would love for it to be non core dependent dps tho 
yeah thats why it sucks to suck
kind gorge
bready overspec
obtuse geyser
sdoro doing wet noodle dmg on harvester UR
kind gorge
she got even fatter
obtuse geyser
she ate crust
summer onyx
Anyone who skipped Rouge knows <:heh:1008474357519097946>
tove skippers 
grand whale
bready overspec
Bready: Dieting
kind gorge
i will throw trucks at tencent
loud yoke
tove skippers <:Kappa:794017071880470538>
Tove took 7 months to be good 
Gotta be cursed if you didn't get spooked in that time
loud yoke
Yeah, I've already been telling my union to do no more than 4x element and 7/7/7 at most for elemental DPS units outside of their specialty
Spending 100+ rocks on a unit that may see only use once a year if SU decides to hate an element enough is not a good long term strat 
errant monolith
Why mihara 
But mihara off burst is ultimately goated imo 
If Eunhwa goes down so will blanc 
Why Maxwell up lol but Ada goes down
It depends on the account
Ada would be used over Maxwell in cases where players have high dupe Maxwell
Which is the case for most people
You can't build Maxwell otherwise she just steals from snowwhite
Yeah but what if u have both at 4 atk
errant monolith
Imo mihara is revolutionary for the off burst slot
No one can do what she can
Yeah but I'm saying she's that good
She's also the best DPS period when no core
I think the units in SSS tier are a tier above the units in SS tier
night tangle
errant monolith
True probably
errant monolith
Rei is fine at A imo
night tangle
Laplace SSS tier
errant monolith
She's fire only unit not gonna be used neutral ever
night tangle
night tangle
errant monolith
You can use her and u lose like 1 bil damage ig
And she'll do better than bunnies
She isn't
She is usable on neutral
Very usable actually
And she was used like 2 raids ago
On neutral
Like 4 times this year and twice on non element
That's like 50% of the current year almost
I suppose Ada can go lower since she's basically a maxwell
nimble vigil
Nice war.
errant monolith
so can Ada I mean
Well nothings gonna be changed till Anni unit
We expect a power creep
nimble vigil
I agree with Max and Rei going to S but just that.
errant monolith
Omni ele DPS is the expected one
errant monolith
I agree with Max and Rei going to S but just that.
What
They need money big bro
Playercount be dying
nimble vigil
No bruh just demote ada
Why?
nimble vigil
SW Ada is like a cope version of SW Maxwell.
Dunno why you add that.
I did add Ada Mihara.
errant monolith
Wdym by perfect situations though
nimble vigil
Because that mathematically is better.
errant monolith
In any neutral situation SBS Alice isn't used anymore, it's just not a thing
So if you talk about them being a DPS, 1v1 milk is better than alice
nimble vigil
In perfect situations, Ada will only go with Ein and MiharaBC.
SBS in Wind is like BMilk in Iron tbf.
errant monolith
Well yeah it was hard (facundo surely enjoyed it 
) but she is a good DPS and she was extensively used
nimble vigil
Alice is SS just because she buffs SBS.
If she doesn't, she's S.
In any given situation INCLUDING Alice.
pure violet
errant monolith
Anyways we will keep this feedback in mind when we do the revamp on anni
nimble vigil
Let me check last Wind raid.
errant monolith
We already were gonna demote most of these units
BMilk is literally just Alice
Idk what u guys are saying
nimble vigil
Damn they yeeted the database alr.
errant monolith
99.9% of the players don't even use crown mast together
nimble vigil
Uhuh.
SBS + WAsuka does wind because WAsuka gives plenty of buffs/debuffs herself and deals more damage.
nimble vigil
But in SR, SBS will always go with Alice.
errant monolith
BMilk and RH were team 2
nimble vigil
Until we get enough Wind DPS.
errant monolith
Bro literally 
nimble vigil
Eve is not shit.
errant monolith
Obviously not
I'm just saying u should put them both in the same team and check their damage dealt
On ultra
nimble vigil
Yes, if you replace her with a better DPS.
errant monolith
Ultra is literally pierce heaven
nimble vigil
But it's called wasted opportunity.
errant monolith
If Rh was > Rapi why do u think rapi would've been better than milk
It's just that rapi fit better in the reload heavy supports and grave buffs pierce units better
nimble vigil
Team 1/2/3 is not about damage.
It has never been.
T1 has always been Crown.
In any element.
If any pro SR say Team 1, it's always Crown.
Regardless of damage.
Team 2 is "the highest damage or second highest".
Team 1 is Crown team.
Not the team with highest damage.
Just saying.
SW does more damage.
So, SW is Team 2.
Crown Team 1.
Grave Team 3.
No? It's just the definition of Team 1 is Crown Team.
It's not about damage.
errant monolith
Dude idk why you're fighting on this hill
Just test it yourself
grand whale
But we have limited hits and not everyone can save their hits for Ultra
nimble vigil
Yeah, I am sure MirandaTr Crown SW Maxwell SHelm is stronger.
errant monolith
<:KEKWut:956062601178140672> But we have limited hits and not everyone can save ...
The top unions had to
Hit ultra like
500 times
Cuz they reach stage 4
nimble vigil
Yeah, I am sure MirandaTr Crown SW Maxwell SHelm is stronger.
You can try if you want.
grand whale
How many are at stage 4 nowadays? The top 15?
errant monolith
You can try if you want.
No it's not, grave/ade better for SW
nimble vigil
No it's not, grave/ade better for SW
Nah, that's just opportunity cost.
errant monolith
How many are at stage 4 nowadays? The top 15?
No lol, top 3 in global only
And prolly no one below top 5
grand whale
errant monolith
She's a good casual auto unit tho are u sure
grand whale
Idk, can’t it be just the player’s whim?
nimble vigil
Ada is still a good buffer period.
And with True DMG, she has more prospect than Maxwell.
That is enough for S,
grand whale
Making it sound like we live to exalt SW and Crown on a pedestel and must select 3 elemental affinities for the rest of our meta slave lives 
nimble vigil
Our tier list doesn't judge only based on PAST records.
But a unit's value and future prospect.
errant monolith
Idk, can’t it be just the player’s whim?
Yeah that's what Texas means but the player he's talking about is the best iron player so we can take his whim as word
nimble vigil
Focusing on UR is kinda pointless.
errant monolith
We just need a hard powercreep to return to generalist meta
nimble vigil
You get what? 1 battery?
nimble vigil
We just need a hard powercreep to return to generalist meta <:heh:10084743575190...
Never. They need to make money.
errant monolith
Well we expect him to be numero uno upcoming raid 
nimble vigil
Okay, then, since UR doesn't need anything, don't invest in anything.
And hoard till 999K gem.
errant monolith
It's never about the gems
nimble vigil
Nu uh.
nimble vigil
Investing in SR means partially investing in UR and other game modes.
errant monolith
errant monolith
It depends on the union you're in
errant monolith
me in Global trynna fight 5 unions at the same time for top 8-12
nimble vigil
You're investing in SR means you're investing in UR. What unit do you invest in SR that doesn't get used in UR?
errant monolith
You're investing in SR means you're investing in UR. What unit do you invest in ...
Like anything other than team 1
nimble vigil
Like anything other than team 1
Think again.
The question is: What unit do you invest in SR that doesn't get used in UR?
errant monolith
Arcana Isabel is good though if a player wants to double hit electric
Not utterly useless if you don't have the main supports
You won't even have enough resources to invest in double electric if you're new
nimble vigil
Investing in SR also means investing in UR.
And both follow the same advice.
Specialize in 2-3 elements.
Both for SR and UR.
errant monolith
That's why they're rated higher though
nimble vigil
Have always been the advice since last year.
Investing in 4-5 element is NOT even the recommendation for SR.
nimble vigil
Idk what the f you're thinking.
Kira is literally saving for 9 months.
For Electric raid.
SR.
Bro.
errant monolith
And we'll look into revamping the tier list AFTER Anni since we don't think the tier list is particularly WRONG about any unit atm
errant monolith
Stop this yap in Jill thread at least lmao
nimble vigil
Investing in them is also like investing in SHelm.
errant monolith
You could've done this in #pve-team-building @austere flame
This isn't relevant for this thread
Next time I bonk u harder
nimble vigil
Nah, it's always strong for Electric-weak.
nimble vigil
But literally the tier list says A tier.
errant monolith
Cuz u asked sincerely
nimble vigil
So if you think investing in them is smart, they can't read tier list.
nimble vigil
As a maincord resident, no one invests in Arcana Isa unless they're Arcana waifu players.
errant monolith
As a maincord resident, no one invests in Arcana Isa unless they're Arcana waifu...
stop the yap
errant monolith
Goo
grand whale
Train an AI on all this and make it chat with all the noobs. Solved 
nimble vigil
THE TIER LIST SAYS THAT ALREADY BROOOOOOOOOO
errant monolith
Soline has pistols too no
nimble vigil
No.
Jill is B B B B. Should you pull? Yes, if you have invested in everything else already because she's gonna be used only in this Electric SR and maybe the next few if lucky. Otherwise, it's for collection purposes. Don't care about either? Skip.
Easy.
Case closed.
nocturne current
I have no idea how milk is in a tier with sbs/doro/helm even raven/asuka (for bossing).. having said that if you move Cindy/mihara down.. most of the others in that tier also have to drop down.. Having said that most of the other changes make sense.. all though ?? Isabel.. she will prove her worth next raid trust 
sage dirge
Have anyone tested how bad is getting ammo for her?
kind gorge
I have no idea how milk is in a tier with sbs/doro/helm even raven/asuka (for bo...
milk is one of the strongest options for her element like the other units you mentioned and easily beats off element teams so she's very high tier
it's just that iron has like 3 units because they don't want to power creep both red hoods 
snow blade
Strawberry Milk outdamages Alice with considerably less investment to get the perfect OLs that make Alice work.
You can somewhat half-ass Milk’s OLs and she will meet or exceed Alice’s damage. Especially on any boss or stage with mobs.
kind gorge
high tier kind of lost its meaning
snow blade
I agree that the tier lists could use another baseline to reflect how they’re being used.
There’s a lot of exceptional situational units, but the highest tier really reflects universal use.
kind gorge
there aren't any 10/10/10 12/12 units anymore because even the super overpowered pilgrims lose on off element so if you just want 3% you're probably better off half assing more teams for each element
see high tier go 10/10/10 100 rocks is not the move
snow blade
Horizontal account building finally paying off.
kind gorge
snow blade
snow blade
Isn’t it the other way around?
Waifu pullers getting their units used. Pilgrim/Anni hoarders losing out.
kind gorge
yeah they get to use waifu when her element SR comes up
or in UR i guess but who cares about UR
unless you're some kind of pleb who waifus overpowered pilgrims instead of niche girls catering to weird fucked up fetishes
rapi lovers won
meta dps for 2 elements and you can just put her on any team if you want
snow blade
As for Jill, she’s not great but she’s a proof of concept trial character. Like 2B was for distributed damage and non-attacker DPS.
kind gorge
what does she concept?
snow blade
Jill is floating out the low-ammo Pistol variant of the existing weapons.
snow blade
I think the reload mechanism Jill has is a bust, but slower heavier hit “pistol” weapon is interesting to use.
Players have been asking for handgun Nikke for a while.
Jill canonically mains a pistol, so they’re trying it out.
kind gorge
AR needs a rework so maybe they're trying to come up with new stats for it
snow blade
That too
kind gorge
AR is basically just SMG but more accurate
but then they decided to make SMG dps and realized inaccurate DPS is a terrible idea so all SMG dps have + hit rate or auto aim attacks and AR is now SMG but worse
snow blade
BAde acts as a reminder to players that effective range does matter and is not insignificant.
So if they can fix AR as the “basically anything is good except close or super far” they may give it some appeal again.
kind gorge
Effective range is frustrating because you're not going to build DPS for element and terrain
snow blade
It’s more of what should guide you to picking one situational units over another as the roster keeps expanding.
kind gorge
It's the obligatory second element copium some games use as a way to revive power crept DPS but nikke DPS are too expensive
snow blade
BAde vs Mari for example.
kind gorge
You're not going to build a unit just because it's slightly than the default option on one boss element combo
Especially since bosses can change element
It works in something like blue archive where I can max out like 10 units for new raid and barely feel it
Nikke too expensive
snow blade
If a unit like Rupee gets a treasure and becomes a genuine sub-DPS like Viper did, I think that’s when we’ll see the favorability of ARs come back.
Rupee already hits so hard, you just can’t justify using her over a third B3 off burst.
kind gorge
They should make building characters affordable first
snow blade
The skill books fix resolved most of that.
But we aren’t getting enough rocks and kraken is definitely rigged to not give drops. I get more rocks from the other four.
kind gorge
Skill books give you enough for new units but any new players trying to catch up are super cooked
Boiled
snow blade
Skill books give you enough for new units but any new players trying to catch up...
That’s any gacha though. They’re all like that. It is a problem.
You get in on launch or good luck.
kind gorge
In all my other gachas it's bad but not this bad
snow blade
They’re all bad.
Try starting a Hoyo game now. Or even trying to rush BA or AK. Your account won’t have the flexibility.
kind gorge
Like in my 3 genshins I basically have infinite skill mats and would only struggle on the obligatory cringe artifact system they all have but at least they make it really easy to get like double crit on everything for 70-80% of what bis gear would give you
snow blade
How old are your 3 Genshin accounts?
Genshin/HSR is arguably worse because if you took a break, your account has been screwed by the power creep.
kind gorge
I started wuwa zzz and gfl2 on launch but at least I got really far ahead by now so I have a huge stash of mats
snow blade
Nikke gets some credit for still having good characters who were launch units.
kind gorge
I started playing nikke around first Anni and I'm still in a state of one triple banner away from no gear xp/books
snow blade
I started playing nikke around first Anni and I'm still in a state of one triple...
Some of that is just the rotation. I drown in Wind books, but hit a super critical sub-200 books for Water and Fire.
And I try to maintain 5000 of each.
snow blade
If you start a gacha at launch you’ll always be good, but if you join later, you’ll always be short. That’s by design to get you to 💳
But then they need to balance that
Because they need new player retention to backfill burnouts and whales who jump from game to game.
And that’s where most gacha don’t manage the balance.
kind gorge
Absolute was probably a test for Anni so hopefully shift up noticed the three people that built absolute got zeroed on fire books and won't do it again for anni
Please at least make them different elements
snow blade
Triple banners hurt.
kind gorge
How many ele books is three 10/10/10
snow blade
But Nikke’s playerbase will skip instead of swipe most of the time.
snow blade
How many ele books is three 10/10/10
A lot.
Skill 1, skill 2, skill 3, element books.
Exactly why 777 is good enough. Huge push to go above that.
You shouldn’t have any shortages if you’re sticking to 777 max.
nocturne current
@kind gorge Aren't snow white/rapi/rh just better (or close in rh case)? Honestly i am of the opinion rapi b3 is in a tier of her own.. then cindy/mihara gets pushed down to be with helm/doro and the rest goes down another tier.. all 5 get used outside of their element (which they also happen to be the best for).. and if i would argue for 1 unit to join them.. it would be drake funnily enough.. idk about her raid participation % but it must be pretty damn high since her fav item
kind gorge
<@243314352675880960> Aren't snow white/rapi/rh just better (or close in rh cas...
SW only beats her if squishy part spam, RH jobs to milk and rapi beats everyone so that hardly counts
second best iron DPS that only loses to the strongest DPS in the game is pretty high tier
SW is situationally better and RH doesn't require a macro, but that's not really considered in a general tier list
night tangle
I wished they made jill triggers dot instance immediately
They purposedly make it 1s after bullet land
So no reload spam is possible
summer onyx
I wished they made jill triggers dot instance immediately
I would rather they just buff her kit than give up more units that are aids to play
nocturne current
@kind gorge thing with iron raids.. they do seem to give bosses that are good for SW/RH this year.. not a massive recent sample size i guess.. but before this year.. there was like a 13 month gap between iron raids and in the recent raids SW smokes Milk and can even surpass Rapi who is in a team with SSS tier supports. There is also raven who is amazing without even babysitting/uses a support other units don't and can for less developed players also be used on neutral.. IDK tho for me atleast she's in red hood tier.. Which imo is not worthy of being in a tier with helm/doro
kind gorge
aids play will allow aids power
truth nuke
they don't want to do strong standard dps because because you don't deserve to get them from a 2% banner
players didn't like all standards being SR team 3+ only trash with the occasional good support for all the pilgrims so hoyo decided to do a devs listened moment and made standard pilgrims
but people didn't like that either so the new strat is you can have okay standard DPS but you need to play it with a macro like milk or they have wack team requirements that don't let you run the best supports like bready
night tangle
I mean, without aid play, Nikke is only slightly different than this TFT wannabe game
aka Nikke 2.0
kind gorge
I mean, without aid play, Nikke is only slightly different than this TFT wannabe...
what do you think outpost 2.0 gameplay is going to be?
or surface 2.0 whatever they decide to call it when they finally release it after teasing it for 2 years
night tangle
I can see it involes micro play
Starcraft flashback
to be fair this Nikke 2.0 game could be great if they allowed me choosing target, moving unit during combat
instead it's TFT
kind gorge
starcraft more like pikmin
pull giant tits out of the ground
and drag them on the enemy guy
languid trout
nocturne current
I mean, without aid play, Nikke is only slightly different than this TFT wannabe...
I drop this when Taiona (basically rapi) made just about every unit irrelevant and allowed you to clear at MEGA deficits
night tangle
yeah I heard people compliment her
roll Mihara 2.0 (Fanny)
it's kinda okay, but I'm at the point my Bella dies in 3 hits
lul
obtuse geyser
errant monolith
https://www.rxddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1nwdj0h/mega_guide_jill_valentine_...
obtuse geyser
Reddit link + image
btw what ratings u guys giving her
errant monolith
Bbbc
obtuse geyser
even lower in bossing
imagine the drama
cant wait to read reddit post about it
grand whale
https://www.rxddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1nwdj0h/mega_guide_jill_valentine_...
Jill is the second coming of Power? 
Currently imagining the despair of those that used say 170 pulls on 1 copy of Jill
loud yoke
She's better than Power
Damage from my testing is comparable to Ein, which isn't bad. It's just nothing special, especially with the anni-Xmas-NY wombo combo incoming
And S Doro set a precedent that we could get seasonal Pilgrims 
kind gorge
At least Power is hot and stinks good
main wigeon
jill is my valentine
summer onyx
Currently imagining the despair of those that used say 170 pulls on 1 copy of Ji...
I pulled 200 for 1 Jill knowing she's bad
But collab so it had to be done
kind gorge
Anni will add new pity tickets to force you to pull on the 1% banner
And everyone who pulled Collab will explode
grand whale
Anni will add new pity tickets to force you to pull on the 1% banner
You mean like “gold mileage doesn’t work for this Anniversary unit, you instead need to collect 200 crystallized tears”?
nocturne current
Even shift up don't want the levels of drama that would bring
kind gorge
Implying
summer onyx
Anni will add new pity tickets to force you to pull on the 1% banner
I'm still up 110k gems by ani
If I don't get what I want in 400 pulls I just quit right
kind gorge
Three 1% units
summer onyx
Dw it will just mean it's time to retire
If gems hit 0 and gold tickets hit 0, retirement time
honest dove
If I don't get what I want in 400 pulls I just quit right <:Kappa:79401707188047...
i went 260 pulls without a rate up then the following rate up was at 310 more pulls
basically all 2% pulls too
so it could happen
summer onyx
so it could happen<:Jigglypuff:760543556304764950>
see u on the other side when it does
umbral pawn
the /s at the end
naive valve
Spoiler: He scope locked <:FrankaWheeze:851187727256387634>
the /s means sarcasm
seems like someone didn't catch sarcasm
supple pike
the /s means sarcasm
seems like someone didn't catch sarcasm
Yeah, mb 
night tangle
shit
errant monolith
I need tldr for Jill and Ada
Ada maybe ok for electric, Jill maybe like phantom?
obtuse geyser
ive been testing some comps
miranda srosa mihara(getsbuff) jill dwife
mihara on neutral vs jill strong (obviously) jill does less dmg, but its probably the best jill team for SR imo
cuz you don't lose much on the other teams
and as it look the SR boss has no core, so its probably for the best
merry plaza
hi guys
nocturne current
Ein full auto is bad
Jill also has almost 30%+ ele on her.. and is not doing massively more dmg. Point is to show how bad/mid she is.. Ein is not particularly great unit at this point either
loud yoke
Ein still likely to to get Crown tho unless S Anis/K is better
Electric actually doesn't have much outside of Cindy comp if we're looking at the higher end of DPS
kind gorge
K real? 
nocturne current
Electric actually doesn't have much outside of Cindy comp if we're looking at th...
Isabel/arcana will pop off
kind gorge
Isabel got a BP skin
And it was marriage too
They would've made it gacha if they planned for her to not be dead as hell
warped ridge
grand whale
Haven't had an electric-weak raid since she came out, so who knows <:kek:7986779...
I think K is real, she just needed a teammate that appreciates halved ammo. Then it turns into like K is also a buffer (through halving the ally's ammo)
Then K would be a glorified original Privaty in that case, with significantly better personal damage in comparison
Enter Jill
Jill seems to have Ein-like levels of damage when invested a lot
loud yoke
I think K is real, she just needed a teammate that appreciates halved ammo. Then...
I'm more convinced Jill and Ada will get thrown into Midsolute as T5 and S Anis/K being a thing, but knows 
grand whale
You'd have to drag SAnis from Cindy's clutches
warped ridge
K only has a chance of being meta if we get more last bullet comps
B1 and B2s that support it
loud yoke
S Anis wasn't with Cindy the last two electric raids, either
She was with Ein in Crown comp
Cindy comp used Red Hood as second B1
warped ridge
We didnt have too many elec comps back then either
loud yoke
Yeah, but more electric comps is bigger reason to spread the love
Cindy has X Maiden who basically has to be with Rouge
And assuming true damage will be an advantage this time, buffing Ein is probably still a good idea
And Siren is a better B1 to use off-burst with Exia than DKW is
warped ridge
That's why Ein is getting Ada + Crown and Cindy is getting Abe + S.Anis and X.Maiden 
loud yoke
My napkin comp thoughts:
- Cindy/Rouge/X Maiden/Grave/<Flex>
- Exia/Crown/Ein/S Anis/Siren
- Liter/Arcana/Isabel/Scarlet/Trina
- Tove/Leona/M Priv/B Soda/Drake
- Emma/Eunhwa/Jill/Ada/DKW
oh, I killed K
loud yoke
She was in my heart
warped ridge
Her skin was cute tho
loud yoke
just for the JP VA
nocturne current
Can't we chuck arcana/isabel with cindy if you want anis in another team? does gluttony have core?
warped ridge
Can't we chuck arcana/isabel with cindy if you want anis in another team? does g...
2nd B2 on Arcana's team must have burst gen, otherwise you will be fucked. So you'd use either Mari or Trina for that job.
I have seen people use PrivM and Dolla 
And no, the great mighty poop has no core
nocturne current
I thought you could just manual rogue and get 9 burst for cindy? tbh sounds like too much hassle for me anyway..i prob will stick with the usual cindy team.. Isabel maybe chuck with scarlet.. or some wierd shotgun team with dolla and just drop maidprv all together
summer onyx
And no, the great mighty poop has no core
petition to make a giant orange eyeball appear on gluttony thats breakable as core part
for lore accurate reasons
warped ridge
red radish
man i am not expecting alot, but this is disappointing
night tangle
100% ele?
red radish
84%
loud yoke
If you're comparing to Rapi, you are expecting a lot
Compare her to Guillotine if your expectations are low
grand whale
Guillotine deserves a good favorite item one of these days 
red radish
Scraping botrom of barrel for this solo raid
red radish
Compare her to Guillotine if your expectations are low <:kekYep:1008468710882811...
Would have tried but guillotine isn't built at all. And jill dealing lesser than neutral rapi on the true damage raid is sad
loud yoke
Not saying it isn't sad. I'm just countering your statement of lower expectations
You're running her vs overall the best DPS in the game
Rapi beating units on their own element isn't uncommon
and AR is a terrible weapon type
Jill isn't a good unit, but that was easy to see from the start 
Like S7 clear vs AI Kraken 
Rapi outdamaging S Sakura isn't exactly a suprise
If you expected better performance from Jill than you would from S Sakura, I'd say your expectations were high 
red radish
Compare her to Guillotine if your expectations are low <:kekYep:1008468710882811...
Jill lb0 84% elem 10/8/8 SR15 doll vs Guil c1 0% elem 1/1/1 no doll
💀
loud yoke
She won 
loud yoke
How is Jill's CP so low with SR15 doll?
Or is Guillo's just very high?
SR15 doll is 20k CP
Are you hiding like 50% ATK on that Guillo?
red radish
guillo
loud yoke
Ahhh, just lots of slots filled with garbage
I wish that CP padding from lines didn't work on non-functional stats 
red radish
if you balance out the elem%, Jill barely dealing 5% more than guil
and guil is 1/1/1 no doll
c1 vs lb0 advantage for guil
red radish
s2 is the attack buff at low hp
loud yoke
Hm?
red radish
s1 is just the hp loss
loud yoke
Oh, I have them reversed
red radish
7/7/7 SR15 guil gonna be better than jill
loud yoke
Unsurprising at 1% HP
Guillo's paper math has always been good. Just too hard to actually use 
red radish
gonna have to run it again
loud yoke
I think one of my four accounts actually has a 7/10/7 Guillo with high doll
but that account also doesn't have enough abnormal gear to outfit Jill 
red radish
naive valve
Jill stronk!
kind gorge
bro struggling to beat siren
obtuse geyser
I feel bad for who even built her
because as expected, almost no one in top rankings is using her
grand whale
Now that I’ve tried the fight, it looks like Merciless Judge boss design doesn’t even let true damage be leveraged well
Jill continuing to shoot boss body buffed by high DEF while manualing another character at the cancel rings outside of full burst - that’s the the only time Jill’s true damage matters
Ironically if you choose to manual Jill, and aim at the cancel rings in this situation, you’re invalidating Jill’s true damage advantage in her kit.
Also, if you build good comps with good burst gen, you’ll rarely let Jill ignore the cancel rings even if you didn’t manual her
It’s purely a coreless fight with unfavorable (nonexistent) piercing
Jill needed high defense target with core but still unfavorable piercing, with no easy means of avoiding the high defense
Then she’ll shine. Only Mirror Container fits that bill atm
kind gorge
Can Jill oneshot slippers?
real fossil
If you dream hard enough she can yes