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#[Jill Valentine] New Unit Megathread
quiet tartan
grand whale
iirc I calculated that her baseline damage per bullet is similar to Asuka, they were careful about that
Then the buffs kick in and I didn’t calculate that (magnum ammo was already factored in)
Didn’t calculate the atk%, true dmg%, atk dmg%, etc
But Asuka gets a lot of selfbuffs too and has piercing and selfheal
Jill doesn’t have as much and instead does true damage and sustained damage
So it’s basically the true damage part carrying Jill, which means she depends on a tailored boss fight
The other thing to consider, is maybe if Jill has these buffs throughout more of the fight
She gets a bunch from reloading. Asuka has to fulfill a bunch of conditions
umbral pawn
is she worth using
night tangle
make her acid ammo deals 1920%
then we talk
so that I can macro her gun to deal 5760% per sec
umbral pawn
Breadyify her
making her morbidly obese ?
naive valve
kind gorge
making her morbidly obese ?
Tell me more
umbral pawn
oh no i kicked the hornet nest
naive valve
fair gull
is the left one her free skin?
eh
booba no longer squished
more skin surface area
will depend on back pose, but that jacket prob covers it fully
man why are all the skins of jill and ada so fcking mild
jesus christ
fair gull
they could have at least made dkw gacha skin better
it's mild by dkw standards
still need to see back pose of that, but eh, low expectations
naive valve
night tangle
draw correct to IP: Mild
inflate Emilia's boobs (which is also correct afterward): Break character
fair gull
lame
should just collab with IPs that already have hot characters then
where's my highschool dxd collab
night tangle
nimble vigil
is she worth using
Yes
Cus we dont have ele units
But she sucks ass
We are really short of electric units
loud yoke
We have tons of electric units 
naive valve
She's gonna have higher burst gen than Helm+
so PVP god
Skill
Updated
They added " 1sec interval
kind gorge
Doesn't sustained damage usually hit every 1s?
nimble vigil
Doesn't sustained damage usually hit every 1s?
Yes.
naive valve
Doesn't sustained damage usually hit every 1s?
Unless specified otherwise
kind gorge
Well I guess they added it for all the new players so they know the tick rate
All five of them
Who tf is gonna install nikke to look at resident evil ass
naive valve
3 of my friends
kind gorge
nimble vigil
Who tf is gonna install nikke to look at resident evil ass
Um, someone from my PJSK community.
naive valve
supple pike
I think we might be getting a...potentially proper true damage comp
gonna wait till then
nocturne current
Are we getting maintenance/these characters a day early?
naive valve
Maint in 9 Hours
fair gull
hmm
are we sure she shoots 3 a sec
sky pointed this out, but she doesn't shoot even close to 30 shots in her burst
yes the vid is lower burst lvl so longer reload, but in vid she shot like 18-20 shots
real kindle
Maint in 9 Hours
33*
naive valve
nimble vigil
she might not even beat scar if scar has reload speed buffer then
She mid.
fair gull
couldn't even be bothered to change the red lights
why did they not even give it the mother whale treatment with some effects
quiet tartan
the red lights are its nipples
fair gull
why is everything about this collab so mid?
quiet tartan
everything about nikke is mid lately
fair gull
did capcom demand they make it as mild as possible
bc this is even regressive by nikke standards
or did they design the collab frame before they did the mother whale frame
naive valve
couldn't even be bothered to change the red lights
It's based on this
Biohazard 2
and the eyes have red lights
fair gull
oh yeah ig they did add those on
the upper corners look a bit diff too
aight ig they put in a tiny bit of effort
nocturne current
I do think ada will be useful skill wise.. but yeah this collab is looking rezero/Eva 1 tier atm.. best thing from the patch is new molds lol
fair gull
surely 3rd anni is the true meta-defining true dmg dps
we've got true dmg duo + b3 true dmg buffer
we'll have like what, 5 true dmg dps? none of them meta dps
nimble vigil
I do think ada will be useful skill wise.. but yeah this collab is looking rezer...
Worse.
This collab is worse.
I think they kinda regretted with EVA 1.
Made them too strong.
kind gorge
I think we might be getting a...potentially proper true damage comp
Vesti sweep
quiet tartan
mid collab is the best
real fossil
Can skip and save for anni without bricking yourself
Although her free skin making me think unwise
Like a2 summer skin
night tangle
this Gluttony will be worse than Green one
there won't QTE
probably periodically 360% def up
to sell true dmg
naive valve
probably periodically 360% def up
400% def up
No core
QTE is just wipe, not damage hole
naive valve
Clearly made to somewhat be commensal
naive valve
oh yeah ig they did add those on
It's better than this
real fossil
What the fuck
nocturne current
Clearly made to somewhat be commensal
Skill 1 the only thing saving the collab atm for me at least because it solves miranda issues
naive valve
Skill 1 the only thing saving the collab atm <:kekw:1009394634692247632> for me...
Kinda dumb to not give Miranda CDR and Crit rate bonus for 2 nikkes in her treasure
nocturne current
Yep and the sad thing is miranda treasure is on the good side... most treasures are julia/frima tier. I bit the bullet and built miranda after it became obvious they won't touch the mihara gimmick
fair gull
new units seem to have too much atk dmg
at this point I don't think atk is any more diluted than atk dmg
nocturne current
Yeh.. meanwhile mihara crying in the corner
loud yoke
Miranda would be too strong with cdr 
nocturne current
Should just give her buff to whichever burst 3 is bursting if they thinking giving it to two b3 is OP
Idk how they would work that tho
nocturne current
Anis please
void ore
night tangle
I think they are improving BP skin now. New batch changes pose and animations
which makes me wonder what else differs between 60$ and 20$
new burst scene?
kind gorge
which makes me wonder what else differs between 60$ and 20$
You pay 40$ for the privilege of actually using the character in real teams
Gacha skin for meta characters and good bp skin for meme units
loud yoke
You pay 40$ for the privilege of actually using the character in real teams
Marciana...
Rupee...
Drake... (at the time)
Emilia... (outside of PvP)
Noise... (outside of PvP)
lime hound
hey you're retired, go home gramps
im just checking out stuff
why does jill look like that
alpine rivet
Me hoping that Ada and Jill actually give Ein a place to belong. Instead of being wellfare in cinderella teams for people without winter maiden.
kind gorge
Marciana...
Rupee was pre public era, back then we got liter and bunnies in bp
snow blade
If Rupee gets a treasure, she’ll likely end up as a b2 sub-DPS like Viper. She does a ton of damage already with good OLs. Just not good enough to sacrifice a slot.
Jill opening up the weapon types for more handguns without a new weapon type is interesting. As usual, collab characters being used for beta testing new mechanics
nocturne current
I think they realized gacha skins for meme/non meta was not the way to go.. pretty much every gacha skin over the past year has been meta char
snow blade
Yeah. Players want skins on characters they’ll actually use.
blissful kettle
Battle Jill is using SMGs, but normal Jill is using a pistol?
snow blade
Game accurate anyway. 
nocturne current
its annoying because it looks (maybe testing will be different) that they made her mid because she is an electric AR
mystic hull
I'm okay with mid then I can 1 and done roll them or even outright skip
giving me eva/SB tier collab units then 
nocturne current
I have only 400 gold tickets atm for anni so need to spend on some non 1% banners
mystic hull
I have only 400 gold tickets atm for anni so need to spend on some non 1% banner...
You technically don't need to. You can always roll on the 1% banner itself. Especially if you don't need/want the 2% rateup.
nocturne current
Yeah i just want to make sure i have the minimum tickets needed for the 3x 1% units for anni Electric is my best element anyway so i am kinda forced to roll.. prob mlb ada.. 1 copy jill
naive valve
Should just give her buff to whichever burst 3 is bursting if they thinking givi...
Too much coding for internkun
errant monolith
Chat is she good
night tangle
Vesti tier
night tangle
Bossing of course
dafuq
by doing this every time + high reload speed, you will be able to both shoot normally (she shoots stupidly slow) and trigger DoT 3 times per sec
assuming
now she's on SBS level
umbral pawn
What now
night tangle
yeah, we tap normally AR weapon like it's SR
3 taps per sec
we have a SR who requires very fast tap over shot duration and one long charge shot every once in a while, and a super long charge shot right after her burst
then we have an AR who will need to tap like she's a SR
umbral pawn
Riveting gameplay
kind gorge
they should just let you build a macro in game
summer onyx
3 taps per sec
Return of sanis priv? 
lunar mauve
That’s assuming dmg tick on reapplication, right?
night tangle
Yeh
fair gull
I thought we already established that it doesn't retick
maiden hinge
Wow another Gaming chair character in a short span. Truly SU thinking about the avg player
gleaming gazelle
they keep giving us last bullet characters
and no new characters who actually enable last bullet mechanics for the team
we're still stuck on privaty
gleaming gazelle
it doesn't stack with privaty god damn it
red radish
We just cannot escape the gaming chair
naive valve
Doesn't work
because u could spam attack clicks for Shotguns in view mode too
red radish
Oh
dry marlin
Demo range is just there to show you the asssets..
warped ridge
real fossil
jade glen
mystic hull
imagine bitching about having too much abnormal gear 
quiet tartan
is this after or before you OL'd ada
nimble vigil
Can anyone find Jill's burst gen?
quiet tartan
thanks, now I’m gonna shorten abnormal into anal
real fossil
So many anal gears
night tangle
normal shot around Ada
gleaming zenith
Jill
gleaming zenith
Maybe she will be good
quiet tartan
jill 
claire in the minigame 
gleaming zenith
Epic jill meta
warped ridge
real fossil
Whale rule number 1: Whales don’t have stashes
nocturne current
wow much hype for the upcoming unit in this thread
real fossil
She’s one of the nikkes of all time that’s for sure
warped ridge
I just don't like that she's selfish
So if she doesnt do better than Ein we will have an issue
Or at least equal*
real fossil
I’m comfortable waiting till yall test her out. I’m just not feeling this collab. Ada was a surprisingly good unit, but idk about Jill.
loud yoke
So if she doesnt do better than Ein we will have an issue
Basically this. We've gotten such a solid roster of support DPS units that selfish DPS units need to really kick butt to compete
cinder root
want to know jill's burst gen
potent nymph
just grabbing my one copy for collection and then seeing what testing turns up
glacial pike
Hm is what you're not showing is Ein?
cobalt cradle
looks good huh
coral storm
on auto or manual?
real kindle
on auto or manual?
All auto
grand whale
So what’s the result? Should we be jelly for Jilly? 
real fossil
So what’s the result? Should we be jelly for Jilly? <:KEKS:1075584914235342879>
You test mr. Whale man
warped ridge
Didnt get her with my initial pulls, so I leave it to you guys to do testing 
obsidian sparrow
How's the Jill sandwich
grand whale
I’m starting pulls, wish me luck
obtuse geyser
jill is pretty much crap 
if we could use her with trina without having to force reload every 9 shots then maybe lol
at least I got her in 1 multi, regret OLing her already...
fleet cedar
Hmmm she already sounding like a collection unit 
Well got her in 40 pulls so I'll take it I guess
Go thing I didn't ol her yet
grand whale
124 pulls, 4 Jills, 1 Exia, 1 Zei, 1 Volume, 1 MiharaOs, 1 Crown, 1 original Mast.
Not bad, the gold sparks flowed. 10 SSRs in 124 pulls. Flexing 
First Jill was 70 pulls in tho.
For me I collect MLBs if I can’t get the unit again or won’t see it in a long time, don’t take it to mean you should MLB
I’m trying to dial down the frequency I MCB units 
We’ll see if it works
lapis ingot
103 pulls, 1 jill
languid trout
real kindle
Hm is what you're not showing is Ein?
Ein Is full OL lv.5 and 10/10/10 skills
Jill has 2 OL, Skills 8/8/8
warped ridge
Someone go and show us a non-scopelock test
lapis ingot
karmas gonna come for now 
grand whale
I think Patri wasn’t scoped though?
warped ridge
karmas gonna come for now <:ViperWorry:1258782730204872876>
Yeah they better sponsor some pulls
languid trout
grand whale
Wth, Jill’s episode 1 is a direct rip of what’s shown in the collab event
Maybe small changes or additions if I didn’t notice them, but I think most of it is the same
Is this supposed to be like a memory for after the collab event permanently goes away?
obtuse geyser
Ein Is full OL lv.5 and 10/10/10 skills
Jill has 2 OL, Skills 8/8/8
what ele% atk% of both, this is not realistic at all with what im getting
real kindle
what ele% atk% of both, this is not realistic at all with what im getting
Ein is very good
Jill only has 35% of element dmg
real kindle
Same team?
obtuse geyser
Ive even removed resi 15 of ein and left her cubeless
only change is liter -> siren
real kindle
Is your Jill minmaxed?
real kindle
Idk lol
obtuse geyser
im force reloading every 9 shots
real kindle
My Jill looks enough to be played as third/forth Solo Raid teams
obtuse geyser
if anything imo she is team 4/5 in electric sr
warped ridge
Someone go try
Siren S.Ros Jill Raven MiharaOS
She isnt getting Crown, so want to see who'd be better as her B2
cinder root
s rosa?
spark flare
Summer rosanna
cinder root
Buff her dot
burnt pilot
SO I guess Jill does not want any ammo slots on her gear.
round topaz
HOLY SHIT. This is on Jill
no 3rd line. mid.
spark flare
no 3rd line. mid.
Shaddup 
warped ridge
SO I guess Jill does not want any ammo slots on her gear.
Correct dont give her ammo
burnt pilot
So similar to S. Anis then.
warped ridge
Yup
summer onyx
@night tangle
burnt pilot
And of course, Jill says the thing for her burst line.
summer onyx
re: dot application
real fossil
SO I guess Jill does not want any ammo slots on her gear.
sanis fucked me enough on max ammo
Ain’t playing the same game the second time
burnt pilot
I'm already dealing with rolling for S. Anis.
real fossil
I spent 30 on her the other day, got 15+ max ammo
I pretend I don’t have her now
cuz fuck that cursed shit
burnt pilot
OUCH.
That's just painful.
Right now I'm just dealing with S. Doro to get her up to speed (so I can kill Harvester). S. Anis will come later. And Jill.
warped ridge
I want to see her DoT compared to Mihara and Raven. But since she doesn't eve. Buff her DoT herself it might not even be worth buffing with sros
peak silo
is she usable
real fossil
Yes she can shoot
rancid kayak
seem like she shoot... okay?
not amazing but not bad just okay
but Im not a mathy, numbers guy so im going based off what it look like
summer onyx
look at the video do u see a double tick?
naive valve
dam
summer onyx
i dont
toxic forge
So how is she is she the next scarlet Trina combo or what
languid trout
🚮
Looks like skip for f2p or pull 1 copy for collection, save all resources for anni
summer onyx
i see a tick when u shoot
u need to see 2 because i shot when it ticked to see double shot
nocturne current
I'll pull 1 copy and leave her.. I think i only have a couple attacker gears left because the keep spamming attacker units for collab this year
supple pike
Got her in 40
Got no Abnormal Attacker Vest and boots
grand whale
So no tick proc on landing a reapplication?
If so, all the math thinking Jill could be potentially good just lost
On the plus side, if true, then we don’t have to do that manual reload every shot nonsense
And, apparently, she’s not horrible, she beat someone’s SAnis with worse OLs on Jill…
With them on the same team
Which is a problem, because SAnis basically buffed her rival to lose to her
And Ada Wong was also on that team
So it’s kinda cheating to say Jill’s beating SAnis with both SAnis and Ada Wong buffing Jill
I’d want to see more tests
warped ridge
Sounds like a bad S.Anis to begin with 
slate kelp
Would it be a good idea to make Jill a hypercarry with Flora? 73% true damage buff sounds interesting even with the fact that she's 40s
hallow shore
why not just use frima with treasure
grand whale
Maybe, could be a new trend. I honestly have problems feeling or understanding dilution of buffs, so watch out for that. But if you want a counterpart reference, look no further than Isabel and Scarlet. Isabel + Arcana, Scarlet + Trina. Now we have Jill + Flora if so 
slate kelp
why not just use frima with treasure
Why not both?
warped ridge
Nah, not until we get a 2nd 40s B2 that could potentially buff True damage
Cannot use B1 true damage cuz you are missing on CDR
slate kelp
FrimaT - Flora - Grave - Jill - Ada
ashen valve
hallow shore
I just pulled for collection purposes
grand whale
My test suggests she’s promising. Hmm
Need Gatrix to recheck this 
Jill is MLB 4/4/4 with lvl0 T9Ms.
Ein is MCB 10/10/10 with lvl5 OLs and 80% or so Ele.
vs Electric-weak
grand whale
Jill is MLB 4/4/4 with lvl0 T9Ms.
Ein is MCB 10/10/10 with lvl5 OLs and 80% or s...
Same Ein & Jill vs Museum Mother Whale, but with Crown, Siren, and HelmT
I can’t do much else testing unless I want to dive into OLing Jill 
pure violet
no absolute on this account to test but
jill 75 ele/20 atk
sanis 70 ele/28 atk
10/10/10
grand whale
and that’s on the condition SAnis shares her buff to Jill
Replace SAnis with say Laplace and Jill’s damage will drop a fair bit
Just saying to illustrate the point, don’t actually do it
dry marlin
The Ada the better mid unit?
grand whale
At least Ada has pvp usefulness I guess
idk Jill
And Ada is a buffer, it’s okay if she performs like SAnis
She’ll just make the carry do better, after all
But Jill performing like SAnis without buffing others worries me
pure violet
seems like ada damage is better than jill
while having support buffing
but
not being tested with a proper team which would be absolute
obtuse geyser
jill is more or less S in electric weak bossing
story she looks trash
pvp (lol)
B story
B neutral boss
S strong ele boss
D pvp
she is like EVE but without dmg taken and less dmg
standalone garbo, needs way too many buffs to do any dmg
2x, regret OLing her, will need to hit MC for abnormal gear
grand whale
On the up side, she’ll trivialize any Electric-weak that has extremely high DEF
The catch? ShiftUp has to hit us with that specific type of boss
And, it has to be done in a way where others using different units will cry because they didn’t get Jill
Not happening
obtuse geyser
in that, ada still better for mc
and jill dont seem to be that much better for MC, as someone tested and the true dmg is not enough to "ignore" slippers
and kill the boss before wipe
grand whale
Oh? No pistol one shotting of phase 2 slippers?
obtuse geyser
Oh? No pistol one shotting of phase 2 slippers?
at least not on AI mc
for me, that is...
grand whale
You reminded me though, I could test vs AI MC
obtuse geyser
I did see a ch32 clear today with her, but ada did 60% of the dmg
grand whale
I guess others beat me to it so I’ll let them
obtuse geyser
and jill did 30%<
the only fix would be to remove the crappy rld gimmick and make her work with trina ffs
grand whale
and jill did 30%<
One nice thing in that fight is Jill easily breaks the QTE at the final 30 seconds, so she’s an automatic +30s of combat vs MC but the boss gets all 4 slippers back along with the DEF buffs in that part
obtuse geyser
One nice thing in that fight is Jill easily breaks the QTE at the final 30 secon...
on AI it works because my others units are good, but idk if on story/hard mode MC she can break things
grand whale
But that’s also of little matter for all the true damage from Jill and Ada Wong
obtuse geyser
I would just use ada, easier to use, prob cheaper too
and buff others instead of being selfish
the shorter end of the stick unit, thats all imo
night tangle
<@381720888539742230>
Doesnt look force reapply to me
obtuse geyser
besti prob does more dmg when there is parts, jill wont
will make a big diff
obtuse geyser
enough for 0.69% in the raid
quiet tartan
sooo, mid?
quiet tartan
the norm doesn't mean it's good
crystal beacon
Why does it have to be good 
crystal beacon
summer onyx
fuck shitup
near parcel
Tried a few teams. 7/9/10 Jill SR5 1 ele line
summer onyx
May be we can break ziz easier
wat r u breaking the parts?
crystal beacon
Breaking balls™ makes Ziz much easier to handle lol
summer onyx
can u even break them at deficit?
crystal beacon
Yep
open saffron
grand whale
What’s the most “Stack the Jill” team possible?
Jill + Ada Wong + SAnis?
Crown, RRH, Jill, Ada Wong, SAnis?
grand whale
That’s more stacked than Crown?
TuEmma, TuEunhwa, Jill, Ada Wong, CDR?
With CDR being.. idk… can it be Dolla? What’s best?
pure violet
dkw is fine
red radish
Jill is about Ein level?
red radish
Full auto
sullen swift
I see the trash can emoji x3 at the top of the screen. That bad, huh
grand whale
Basically, it seems like.. a little worse than Ein?
pure violet
her kit is only dps, ada does around the same as jill while also buffing
grand whale
Hard to tell because of breakthroughs diff
And worse OLs
But it’s almost like she’ll be a bit shy of Ein damage even if equal
pure violet
yeah idk what this test is supposed to show
crystal beacon
Thats like 4/5 true dmg users
grand whale
I think… she’s a good addition. Just no flexibility. She hits a single target, she has no special effects on team or enemies. True damage is about it. Laplace at least had AoE basic attacks and the piercing beam of doom when bursting.
Ada Wong has the grenades and can buff others although it’s limited to 1 or 2 at a time (2 if using RRH as B1 too)
lapis gyro
no
grand whale
Ein has the drones and an AoE burst, Cinderella has the Cinderella, SAnis is super cool team buffer, XMaiden is the team buffer with fight ending burst…
Jill is just Jill meanwhile
Which means Jill had to do lots of damage to make up for that
lapis gyro
L
grand whale
She doesn’t, but it’s all true damage, that’s something if there’s ever a boss that warranted it
Maybe we’ll soon get one
sullen swift
But her pass skin is kinda cute, so I'll grab one copy and continue to prepare for anni
lapis gyro
grand whale
Isn’t Ziz wrong element though
I forgot to say
We need a boss with high DEF that’s also Electric weak
lapis gyro
gl with that
summer onyx
mc
lapis gyro
does upcoming glut count
golden gale
Can i pass mc if i build jill ?
grand whale
If you have the resources it might be easier yeah
golden gale
does upcoming glut count
No u dont even need true dmg to avoid its 360% def, just aim at the cancel ring like old gluttony
pure violet
bro just use ein
lapis gyro
jill deadge then
red radish
No u dont even need true dmg to avoid its 360% def, just aim at the cancel ring ...
Smh same shit as absolute
grand whale
Jill Judged Wanting
red radish
SU make a boss with mechanic but if you play properly the mechanic is useless
summer onyx
scope lock, manual ein with 0 ammo
ein will likely outdps on 109% reload team
or with any ammo rolls
since jill doesnt really use ammo
so jill is really team 4 prob
grand whale
She’s going to be a jigsaw puzzle piece, letting team absolute be used vs Electric-weak, I guess
So competitive raiding only
TuEmma, TuEunhwa, Jill, Ada, DWife, as someone said earlier
Buttload of buffs for both Jill and Ada
summer onyx
i wonder if we will see miranda ein ada double afk
grand whale
And maybe useful in UR if ShiftUp is evil and throws high DEF boss Electric-weak at us
summer onyx
or just go crown ein mmast
2nd slot there prob ada right?
then jill just go do her own thing pretend to be helpful
golden gale
Ein will lose dmg if u go afk her gun dmg still significant
summer onyx
Ein will lose dmg if u go afk <:CrownGoofy:1309953603854794833> her gun dmg stil...
even with miranda and ada?
red radish
Jill overall is high damage floor, low damage ceiling?
golden gale
even with miranda and ada?
Last i tested ye
summer onyx
Jill overall is high damage floor, low damage ceiling?
most likely
crown mmast it is for me
golden gale
Skip
summer onyx
or what if u go crazy and crown eins anis exia -> cindy rouge xmaiden ade mmast(on cindy burst)
then jill ada
that sounds ok aswell
grand whale
We might be asking the wrong questions
How’s Jill compare to Isabel + Arcana?
And off topic but what happens if we use Isabel and BSoda together?
10s for Isabel’s full burst, and 15s for BSoda’s full burst?
summer onyx
How’s Jill compare to Isabel + Arcana? <:KEKS:1075584914235342879>
i suspect we will see isabel arcana
in sg team
tove arcana isabel doro dolla
or in cindy team
grand whale
That works, but no Drake?
summer onyx
idk if doro or drake will be better i think doro wins that
if you look on zizz theres a tove arcana isabel doro dolla that was almost competitive with tove leona doro drake bsoda
night tangle
can u even break them at deficit?
have you seen Yanni clear?
summer onyx
have you seen Yanni clear?
no
night tangle
also I notice the biggest change of water shit is
it gains def
green shit has dmg reduction but makes an exception to let skill damage slips through (doesn't reduce)
Def I don't know
may be your Cinderella will deal so much dmg she equals Ein
I guess
supple pike
10s for Isabel’s full burst, and 15s for BSoda’s full burst?
Yeah. I rmb a JP bro doing just that during Mirror Container SR
summer onyx
have you seen Yanni clear?
95% ele eunhwa and vesti
with 32% atk on eunhwa too
bairly breaks it
golden gale
Madman who built all 3 deserves that lowest clear because u sure as hell aint catching me doing that
crystal beacon
I just sent his battle report
I told him to
Because he wanted the lowest Ziz
Absolute is the only way
Can't be tanking the AoE while you can break the balls
Its free dmg
silk tulip
Trying to save for anni, is Jill looking like a must have 1 copy or can you make due without?
supple pike
She's so mid I kinda wanna skip her even tho she's collab
Just settle for one copy and dip
Even Flora ain't gonna save her
(I tried)
naive valve
No u dont even need true dmg to avoid its 360% def, just aim at the cancel ring ...
But the Cancel ring here is not indestructible
rings die in 1 shots
lol
Rmb the second Cancel QTE normal gluttony has, where they breaks easily
year
lel
summer onyx
the 2nd qte last time also removes his shield faster no? 
night tangle
don't recall
I recall the shield was just there
without any QTEs
dmg loss was real
fair gull
70 for this collection unit
eh
was expecting worse given my previous collab luck (250 emilia and 2b)
pure violet
well from sky's testing jill ~ = ein
fair gull
kind gorge
well from sky's testing jill ~ = ein
Yeah but you can get more eins for free
fair gull
ein is also elec campaign mobber
and burst gen
what does jill offer
🦗
oh ein is also usable in pvp
fair gull
stable kindle
losing to sg in range
u hate jill, don't you
using arcana isabel is like a nerf to other dps' damage
the total dmg can increase tho
half cape
whats popping 
supple pike
stable kindle
but ein is used for electric only
stable kindle
my bed cuz she is not underaged like ein
pure violet
💀
stable kindle
one time use sure
hold on
u r talking about the raid
i would if i had resources, yeah
tbh this is a good chance for investing in her
people will skip her. investing in her will easily make you the electric lord. easy high rank in electric raid
pure violet
until u realize scarlet trina isabel do more and now u need to invest even more
stable kindle
i regret not focusing on electric when i do pvp and invest in scarlet cindy sanis trina etc
fair gull
pvp optimal scar is kinda eh for pve
unless you go for nearly all lines
4 ele 4 atk 1 ammo 3 cr
quiet tartan
rerolling scar this late into the game also seems wasteful
so what you get, it is what it is
pure violet
at this point u pick whatever ele u want to and forced to sack the other eles if ur not a whale, so building older units like scarlet is what you'll end up doing if u want higher rankings on ur ele of choice
stable kindle
rerolling scar this late into the game also seems wasteful
for ppl who also invest in pvp i mean
half cape
does Jill need Max Ammo?
pure violet
u want 0
half cape
so shes like summer Anis
quiet tartan
at this point u pick whatever ele u want to and forced to sack the other eles if...
actually in the long run if UR doesn’t change (numbers and mechanics), it’s in your interest to have good rolls in all elements, because you can’t choose the infinite hp boss. unless you’re in a real casual union.
warped ridge
By 4th anni most Unions in top 50 should be able to reach stage 4
So yeah, you probably want to heavily invest in a least 3 elements
pure violet
yeah i can see that argument for top 100 unions, ideally never want to double hit a element
quiet tartan
imagine being a big whale in omen who never cared about OL but now forced to get good rolls on all 5 elements because of UR change
pure violet
that's only because they clear so fast they have alot left over right?
quiet tartan
yea they were the first union to beat the new hard mode back in beta
pure violet
yeah my union is casual so don't really need to worry about all elements, and not like i can afford to do that being f2p
hard reef
Is the sandwich worth it??
half cape
im thinking of MLB'ing her but idk 
quiet tartan
don’t, not with anniv in a month
and potential back to back 1% in xmas and new year
half cape
so just one dupe as always when it comes to collab units
quiet tartan
well if it’s meta defining somewhat. maybe, but that’s a luxury
i mlb’d wasuka knowing how scarce wind dps was
and thankfully for the next 7-8 months since then, they didn’t release a single powercreeping wind dps
half cape
yeah investing on green Asuka was definitely worth it in the long run
conisdering my best wind DPS are still her and Scarlet
quiet tartan
got a feeling next year they might spam wind
they always spam 1-2 elements a year and neglect 1-2
this year electric and wind are left behind. water and fire got spammed like crazy
stable kindle
So yeah, you probably want to heavily invest in a least 3 elements
nah. Don said u could do 2 teams on same boss if u focus on one element
pure violet
sky tested it on stream
stable kindle
could be jill auto
pure violet
and manual ein
pure violet
why u don't think that should be the case?
night tangle
no need
I mis remember Ein dmg
Ein is in fact, Vesti tier
why did I have the impression she was on Helm tier hm
limber hawk
actually in the long run if UR doesn’t change (numbers and mechanics), it’s in y...
💀 huh, stage 4 req triple hit from same ele?
grand whale
Jill is basically a spare body at this rate. If comparable or worse than Ein, then more casual players would question why get Jill if you can run Cinderella and Ein, or just run Ein by herself
Plus there's a fair risk ShiftUp will release another Electric carry in a reasonable time
See Eve and then Julia treasure
Or and then Bunny Milk
Ada is the Raven this time Of a different kind
quiet tartan
💀 huh, stage 4 req triple hit from same ele?
well yeah, imagine a very high sync union being able to clear stage 1-3 in 50 hits. the last 46 hits purely on the stage 4 boss where there's only 1 boss which you don't get to choose with infinite hp
fair gull
actually in the long run if UR doesn’t change (numbers and mechanics), it’s in y...
problem is
gaunt sandal
Jill benefit from dupes more than Ada?
fair gull
building for elec in UR is very easy
you just run the cindy comp
0 usage for jill and ada there
so you can skip on elec aside from that team
gaunt sandal
ah yes, dual machine guns, but use a pistol
warped ridge
No OLs 7/7/7 SR5 Jill, Leaving this here so I can compare damage once I OL her
quiet tartan
b1 rapi tier
quiet tartan
why did I have the impression she was on Helm tier hm
can you share the full Gatrax's Arbitrary Echelon™?
lusty gyro
so L
young shoal
Is any of the collab units a skip?
obtuse geyser
depends on how much you want to get top 200, because 99% of players can skip jill
gaunt sandal
depends on how much you want to get top 200, because 99% of players can skip jil...
so both are not worth dupes?
obtuse geyser
jill isnt, ada depends
this is jill thread, why ask for both
ada is the must pull, maybe lb2
jill is... rem
1 use in raid, maybe 2 if no electric dps before the next electric SR
open saffron
🚮
nocturne current
Rolled one copy. Then realised I will only be able to 3/4 ol her because the coop shop won't reset 2x before sr 
oh well can save more rocks for anni instead
lusty gyro
she aint even worth taking up space in the trashcan :/
haughty owl
Aight just 1 copy then
gaunt sandal
she aint even worth taking up space in the trashcan :/
when ShiftUp want to have more collab, but the community demands to save gems.
BOOM
Jill Valentine's debut!
balmy wraith
jill is... rem
woah there rem looked decent on release at least
she just got powercrept to hell by spam b2 releases
bold fractal
I hope jill is mid, cuz i spent 130 pull and didnt get a single of Jill 😭 for my remedy 🙏
prime junco
Well..good news, he's right
real fossil
Rem will be good soon
After eos sure
pure violet
honestly
closer than that
ein is slightly ahead of her
but yes i agree she can stay lvl 1
night tangle
Ein ~ Vesti ~ Ada ~ Jill
Ein: strong campain, strong PVP
Vesti: God campaign, god PVP
Ada: Okay campaign, strong PVP
Jill: Shit
summer onyx
scope lock, manual ein with 0 ammo
ironically this sync lock test comparing ein vs jill is actually pretty accurate
when u consider ein having better reload/ammo in practice
6 ammo no resil spam is sad
nocturne current
1 copy only took me 30 pulls and even then i think it was kind of a mistake When trina/arcana came out i decided to focus on electric..With all the other electric units.. Jill feels borderline even on release.. Like i could probably chuck in my stacked mihara for her this raid and get fairly similar numbers
kind gorge
jill gun in the minigame suuucks
warped ridge
STARS nara koko yo, kusoyaro
drifting cape
No way they made both collab units mid
kind gorge
claire is the strongest one
gleaming zenith
WHAAAAAAAAAT
kind gorge
gleaming zenith
I hoped she would be good for pushing camping and bosses
nocturne current
On a 3% banner?
kind gorge
3?
kind gorge
they should add a 3% rate up for shit units like this
🚮
it would still be more scam than pilgrim banner
nocturne current
2% even honestly kinda tired of this meta..almost everything this year (excluding pilgrim) is borderline skip unless u care about the element. Maids, raven are the 3 exceptions.. maybe i forget one or two..
kind gorge
I kind of like the skip meta because it lets you actually build the units you use instead of getting perma cucked by no mats
mystic hull
and save burn rocks on units that matter
nimble vigil
Actually shes decent for mobbing
Reload spam is still viable for mobbing @night tangle
obtuse geyser
Actually shes decent for mobbing
She did almost no dmg for me
even when using ada together
it is water weak tho, and tower is mother whale
afaik everyone that did test mobbing in electric weak said she sucks
because realistically, if she cannot at most two tap each mob, you will prob get wiped anyway
and since there is no AoE, I cannot see the "decent"
warped ridge
And of fucking course I get max ammo on her initial rolls 
grand whale
To say she's decent for mobbing is to imply one shotting enemies with one bullet is good for mobbing, just shoot (reload) fast every second
That doesn't really jive because the main element holding back that kind of pseudo "anti-wave" tactics is being body blocked by enemies you're not prioritizing
Tanky Rapture lands in Jill's face, you're trying to "anti-mob" it while the real threats behind it are what needs to be shot or destroyed, and they can be fragile enemies or stacked tanky enemies
That's just one example y'all should be familiar with now unless you're too used to blue power crushing
summer onyx
may as well return to phantom cope
1 bullet per enemy 12 times a second on phantom
nimble vigil
She did almost no dmg for me
She is just a weak AoE unit.
I just realized the sustained isnt True dmg
nimble vigil
may as well return to phantom cope
How would you compare her to Phantom though
■ Activates after landing 10 normal attack(s). Effects self.
ATK▲ 85.12% for 5 sec.
I think this is what makes Phantom usable.
obtuse geyser
She is just a weak AoE unit.
I dont... see the AoE part
nimble vigil
I dont... see the AoE part
Need to spam reload and S2.
I think her buffs are too weak to make it happen, though.
I will just place her in B, then.
Both B.
Whats her burst gen?
night tangle
Whats her burst gen?
1.1%
obtuse geyser
I think her buffs are too weak to make it happen, though.
yeah same
numbers too low
nimble vigil
2.75% then
Per sec
Well
With sust dmg
So 3.85
How much is that exactly in PvP
night tangle
in pee ve pee, 1 RL = 13 AR = 1.233s
nimble vigil
in pee ve pee, 1 RL = 13 AR = 1.233s
So
1.3s
And first dot tick triggers at 0th or 1st second?
night tangle
0th, the moment you land shot
night tangle
let's say frame 1, all weapons start shooting
1 RL landed = 13 AR shot ~ 14 or 15 ticks
oh wait
that's real AR
Jill is fake SG
nimble vigil
Isnt SG 1.5 not 2.5
nimble vigil
3 not 2.5?
nimble vigil
Oh rounded
night tangle
always enough to squeeze 3 shots
nimble vigil
Ok
night tangle
so 4.4% per RL
nimble vigil
don't round it up like that
What round it up
The dot triggers once per sec
1.2333 * 1.1 = whatever
night tangle
1 x 1,1
4 RL is 4.9s, not 5s. So her DoT can trigger up to 4 times only among 4 RL
summer onyx
How would you compare her to Phantom though
if u reload once per target and alternate targets
thats just phantoms 3target dmg thing
but more annoying
stack 3 theif dagger on different targets, get 218% dmg across all 3
dot reload dot 3 target, get dot ticks on all 3
summer onyx
1 RL = 3 Jill
i have jill at 2.4 firerate
placing her under sg
also i removed 1s of tick because it doesnt tick on application
so first tick is actually 1s after first bullet
so its
round down (firerate * time) * 1.1 + round down(dot ticks-1) * 1.1 round down
2.4\*seconds \*1.1 + seconds-1\*1.1```Came back after a couple days is she good? Didn’t see any pins for the verdict
nocturne current
she's red hood rapi tier
gloomy anchor
what substats does she needs besides atk and ele?
night tangle
run a few tests
pretty sure it's 24 frames per shot
can go even lower to 23
but use 24 then
don't know what makes you think 150/60 = 2.4
summer onyx
don't know what makes you think 150/60 = 2.4
i dont think thats enough to change her ranking at all tbh
in terms of where she sits on burst gen
willow saffron
any good?
nimble vigil
SIR NO READ THE GODDAMN THREAD
lusty gyro
any good?
so good that she doesnt even deserve to be in the trashcan. it is an insult to trash
gleaming zenith
Sad
gentle vigil
real fossil
Just pull core max
snow blade
SIR NO READ THE GODDAMN THREAD
Just start telling them "Yes MLB strongly recommended" so they end up having to whale and support the game more.
loud yoke
Then we stop pinning for meta units too to reduce competition 