[Elegg: Boom and Shock] New Unit Megathread

[vernal ivy]

They cooked for her outfit

But yea, one copy of SElleg seems to be what all are doing

[velvet fable]

Mlb for lobby

[wise light]

Stop giving people bricking advice

[hushed root]

Is Summer Elegg the first alter to not change her weapon type?

B2 Elegg - Machine gun
B3 Elegg - Machine gun

https://tenor.com/view/elegg-nikke-charging-railgun-electric-gun-gif-1740359225040922996

[livid relic]

both anchors are rls

both quencys are smgs

[coarse tiger]

Overall, she gets more damage out of her S2 throughout the fight

It takes so long to build up ghosts that bursting more often means gimping her buffs

Both Annes are RL, as well

both Rupees are AR

We've had same weapon alters since second month of game

[livid relic]

forgot about the first Christmas units cause i dont have xrupee

but yeah alters dont have a pattern or element

still wish mihara stayed water tho

[coarse tiger]

Definitely more common for a change of weapon/element, but not a rule

[wild sonnet]

a few months ago, i did say that the next summer units would be Elegg and Trony

with Summer Elegg being a B3 Fire DPS and Summer Trony as B2 Water Support

[livid relic]

if they weren’t gonna force 1% limiteds yeah it probably wouldve been trony

[hushed root]

Aha

I guess best way to test this is shooting range with SElegg, make SElegg not shoot, reach full burst bar, then only use SElegg burst and keep pause spamming until her damage stops going up. The number of seconds that passed since she bursted is how long it takes

I already closed game so I can't quickly test

You can also repeat this test with 13 ghosts to see if it takes longer

[hushed root]

1-2 seconds for with fewer than 13 ghosts burst

But 3 seconds for with having 13 ghosts burst

[vale finch]

huh. given that the ghosts deal more damage at cap than getting rid of them does during burst, I don't see why I would want to give them up until the very end

[velvet fable]

max stack selegg burst is a huge nuke and does significantly more damage per ghost than s2 but using your burst disables your s2 for a really long time, so the total gain in damage is actually pretty small and usually not worth bursting with her instead of another b3

also the multipliers per ghost are pretty similar and the only difference comes from elegg's self attack buff when bursting so if you already have a bunch of attack up buffs, it gets even smaller

but none of this applies at the end of the fight since the damage loss from disabling s2 doesn't matter

[vale finch]

more damage per ghost? My S2 is 950% per ghost and my Burst is 690% per ghost

that's with 10/7/7

[velvet fable]

s2 spends 1 ghost per hit, burst spends 9 ghosts for 13 hits

[vale finch]

so an increase in 47% for each of 9 ghosts

[velvet fable]

if you calculate damage per ghost stack it comes out pretty similar, but selegg buffs herself if she bursts so bursting is a damage gain but a pretty small one

[vale finch]

it also disables the 35% ED on S1 for up to 6 seconds

[velvet fable]

i think people checked that it still works at 4 stacks

intern-kun...

[vale finch]

yeah, it works at 4 stacks

[coarse tiger]

Localization team isn't interns

They're paid incompetents

[vapid fable]

Hmm lets see

No

Definitely not

[coarse tiger]

you're late

[hushed root]

Yeah They already reminded me about Quency

And others, like N102 -> Anne

[sacred meteor]

yes burst once she gets 13. she drops to 4 and maintains the water ele bonus for everyone

which is her key selling point

[edgy jungle]

which also consumes 1 burst of either Helm or Xlud

[livid relic]

if she has ele or attack on her yes, if not just burst at the end

[zealous shale]

Losing 9 ghosts also means -9900 from her s2

So not really that great except compressing DMG at the end

[coarse tiger]

Unless sweaty in water-weak raids, ignoring burst entirely is the most efficient option Then you save burst mats and rocks

[edgy jungle]

fact

🗣️

[coarse tiger]

While she's being compared to X Maiden, as far as my testing/paper math goes, her burst scaling is still much weaker than X Maiden's

[edgy jungle]

isn't it obvious

[coarse tiger]

Nah

Cuz X Maiden burst scaling is weird

Isn't it like 18k% of attack calculated from 10% of max HP?

That's too convoluted for most people to figure out

Cuz you have to take X Maiden's HP then figure out how much it's getting buffed by Rouge, then take the 10% of that and calcuate the effective ATK scaling

Unless you know/pay attention to how HP scales, the 10k% final ATK vs 18k% final ATK could actually end up smaller than it appears

The simpler comparison ends up that an additional Helm burst would only be like 2k% less damage not including her amped charge attacks, and investment difference alone can make that up

99.9% of players are better off just going 10/10/1

[slender mesa]

Guess time to reset 10/10/4

[edgy jungle]

it actually goes like this

spend 4 rocks on her

• Good ele amount: sure, 10/10/7~10
• Moderate ele amount: Ehh, 10/10/1
• Shit ele: 10/1/1

ATK doesn't matter because you won't use her outside of water ele

[slender mesa]

What are your treshhold(values) for good, mid and shit ele?

80, 50, 20?

[coarse tiger]

My ranges are <60%, bad, 60%-90%, mid, 90+%, good

[edgy jungle]

80 - 60 - 40

[coarse tiger]

I apparently have higher standards

[slender mesa]

[edgy jungle]

do you know why

because first roll always gives lv 11 value

if you can't win 4 ele lv 11

you are mid

[slender mesa]

432 lines yea

[edgy jungle]

yep

shit unit only worth 4 rocks max

I spent 8 because of that boobs

still in shit tier

so be it

[hushed root]

I have mixed feelings about what I've done with Elegg

404 pulls total Now 7C

But Gatrix's condition is contagious

7 rocks later, still no elemental damage

I'll wait. Maybe I can go back to her build next water raid

[old thicket]

boom bait is strong

[livid relic]

ive done 400 pulls between sb and summer units and have gotta a singular raven at 260 as a rate up

[sweet ledge]

c7 elegg is insane

[velvet fable]

copium above

[wise light]

Damn brother why

[livid relic]

150 for eve 110 for raven 100 for doro 40 for elegg

but yeah just save pities for pilgrims only cause thats so easy🤡

[hexed spire]

with the amount of pulls you do you should be swimming in pities

[livid relic]

yeah but they get used on units i dont get

had to pity eve and doro

so im back to no pities

im fucking skipping elegg too🤡

but yeah plenty of pities

[vernal ivy]

Jeebus SH has not been kind to you

[livid relic]

nah ive been getting fucked routinely this year

200+ pulls on maids with one anchor

had to pity reiT cause I didnt pull her and barely asukaw

my only “lucky” banner was 2 sirens in 140 pulls

[hushed root]

I felt like it I'm interested in powerful water team

I didn't want to risk pulling on Summer Dorothy, the 1% scared me off

[slender mesa]

did u core 7 or mlb s.doro?

[hushed root]

MLB, debating core 7

If they announce another 1% limited before SDoro banner ends, I might try pulls on SDoro first

[wise light]

Damn man giga whales gotta think?

Just pull

[slender mesa]

he is almost sync 800

[hushed root]

Imagine if I used most of my current gold mileage on SDoro 7C

Then they announced a 1% limited that's better

I'd be miffed. That's the main reason why my SDoro isn't 7C already

I do run out of gems and pulls

[slender mesa]

i dont think there will be another 1% till anni

anni and ny combined maybe 3 new 1%

but u will never know

[coarse tiger]

Shouldn't be a 1% limited until Christmas, at least

That's why I C7'd Doro

[hushed root]

Summer events aren't over though

Over-Spec Eunhwa: Solar Panel Forehead coming soon

(is a joke, not a hint)

[coarse tiger]

Absolute was confirmed to not be over-spec tho

[vernal ivy]

Yea… 250 pulls on S Doro to get 2 pulls and then I pitied to mlb. Vs the 40 pulls it took for the 1 copy of s elleg

No gems, no special pulls left

I pray that I did not screw myself on the next events leading to Anniversary while I begin to save again

[zealous shale]

surely we wont have collab 4

[coarse tiger]

Collab units aren't Pilgrims and therefore not limited 1%

[hushed root]

Unlimited Collab units

[coarse tiger]

Er

[sacred meteor]

he meant from the squad Unlimited

[hushed root]

You edited No more unlimited collab units?

[wise light]

Whale c7 doro on my acc and I’ll give you unlimited collab units

[velvet fable]

Collab units aren't limited because their banners don't rerun

Unless they do

[zealous shale]

Who knows, they could make it idk ultra abnormal

Overspec abnormal asuka

[velvet fable]

0.5% rate up with special mileage tickets you can only get from its banner

[vale crag]

Well 2B did

[merry spindle]

So is it best to use Elegg twice in a boss battle, once when she hits 13 and again right at the end? Use her only once at the end like XMaiden? Or not burst at all like Mihara?

[slender mesa]

Just do not use her burst at all, easiest, no need for burst skill

And no burst lost on other water units

[zealous shale]

once at the end if u invested the crap out of her

otherwise just ignore it and save books

basically you have to consider 9 ghost loss = 9900% conversion + 1 burst loss from ur other dps for 10400% conversion = ~500% conversion difference

is the burst ur losing worth 500% or more conversion? if yes you lost dps for bursting

lost a helm burst? -9900 -8000 +10400 = -7500% conversion + you lost charge dmg buff for example

[slender mesa]

Seggs water supp slave

A lot of better units to invest in

[sweet ledge]

she's a pretty inexpensive buffer

just need 10/1/1

[velvet fable]

ok but she's fat

they should have made her as fat as bready

[slender mesa]

[crimson pawn]

bready is thin

[velvet fable]

we need to go fatter

[vale finch]

Why are you subtracting the 9 ghost loss for a burst that happens at the end of the encounter?

Elegg will use her S2 a max of twice during the burst

Likely less given that the last burst is generally not 10s

[zealous shale]

why are u considering only last burst when they asked if 2 bursts or 1

[coarse tiger]

Can now do comfy 99% full auto harvester S7 with Crown/S Doro/Helm/Siren/S Elegg

[steady lichen]

Double S Doro. Interesting.

[coarse tiger]

Oops

Fixed