[Raven] New Unit Megathread

[thorny forge]

neutral

not sure why she pulled ahead despite the lowest atk% ol and base atk

neutral

[unreal garden]

Can someone give me a conclusion about raven after fix? Is it good for high investing or not?

[flint warren]

why is the gigayapper pinned

someone copy and repost pls

[gloomy topaz]

Omg someone pinned kinixes

[flint warren]

repost so i can replace

[gloomy topaz]

[pale sorrel]

u can also repost it yourself?

[flint warren]

nah

[haughty mauve]

Well it seems that Raven sounds like she got improved after the maintainence.

[flint sapphire]

Seems SBS was also enriched

[haughty mauve]

By how?

[flint sapphire]

Check pins

[haughty mauve]

Oh shit.

I'm not sure how anyone can pull THAT off consistently.

[flint sapphire]

Yeah, more of a Macro thing

[haughty mauve]

Yeah and Macro is already a pretty...tricky thing.

[flint sapphire]

Watch them go on a banning spree again but ban non macro users again

[haughty mauve]

I expect it to happen.

You'd have to be insane to try to pull that off without a macro.

[bronze sun]

Cs useful on raven?

Got this, so debating if it is worth to temp lock for the 1st line

[gloomy topaz]

99% of her damage is her DoT

imo the best third stat for her is critical rate

X4 atk ele is a must, then if you want more, critical rate lines are ok
Ammo CS are useless cuz all her kit is about DoT

[bronze sun]

Then temp lock ele and reroll both lines it is

[gloomy topaz]

Yup

[dull plinth]

No

[pale sorrel]

🚮 🚮

[flint warren]

massive stonks

[clear cloak]

big stonks. My sbs has 44% atk vs ravens 10%. both MLB.

[shy crane]

is that neutral sbs without a support

yeah we know that type of sbs sucks

[dull plinth]

Laplace is a joke indeed

Shes only viable on Ultra cus the parts + concealed core

[dull plinth]

N3x is racism.

[clear cloak]

then we can compare it to mihara on burst 😛 mihara is also 44% atk.

if the game let me get atk roles on raven and didnt spam me with charge speed and charge damage for days on end.... im pretty sure itll be close to even

[dull plinth]

Mihara is still better.

And scales better.

[clear cloak]

id hope so since she is 1%

but being pretty close is pretty good

[shy crane]

can you do your raven+sbs team but you put in alice in slot 5 over helm

[clear cloak]

yeah, 1 sec

[shy crane]

burst with raven+sbs ofc

[dull plinth]

Raven is Mihara-lite but less support dependent.

Mihara's damage varies greatly with supports.

And OL quality.

Which is a good thing.

More dynamic, higher ceiling.

Good Raven would beat shit Mihara, in other words.

Raven still scales decently well, though.

[shy crane]

raven looks like a healthy collab character in an element that desperately needs some dps

and that makes it unhealthy for anyone who skips her

[clear cloak]

made sure they were both getting alice buff

[dull plinth]

Well Raven doesnt scale with Alice so

[clear cloak]

had to make sure they both got it just in case she did

[river light]

Which is better, eve or raven

[clear cloak]

honestly it depends. Both are good into iron if you factor in EVE's 10% damage boost for your team on element.

idk if i can say 1 is better than the other. But if you just care about individual damage,raven

[mortal spear]

i think if you count the whole team, eve is better on iron weak just cause she can buff your rapi, if you’re not running eve with rapi then raven is better

[glacial elm]

Put it this way - if Eve can do 1.75b with a nice MMast and team, while buffing RapiOs who is kicking ass

And if Raven can do 1.9b with the same nice MMast instead, while paired with RapiOs

Then Eve has to cause her team to do 150m more damage to equal or beat Raven

10% of a RapiOs doing 2.5b dmg already easily exceeds that

But idk if it’s as straightforward as just saying here’s 10% more because Eve was in team

And, unlike Eve, Raven can hop into any team’s B3 slot without caring about getting crrate buffs

And also unlike Eve, Raven can actually be a good Iron offburst

I think Raven’s the winner

[vernal furnace]

Concubine actually this fire????

[thorny forge]

Raven might be used in neutral t5 for a lot of accounts me thinks

Eve won't

[glacial elm]

Who?

[clear trellis]

does she become

Blood Raven

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-40k-warhammer-40k-dawn-lf-dawn-of-war-gif-9274783432445566798

wait why these tin cans

[steep glen]

Is that a boomer refrence

[clear trellis]

[gloomy topaz]

Meh

We need a dlc before Eve

[hoary reef]

how is she on ultra chat

[shy crane]

perfect animation cancel is like 2 frames not aiming

to swap forth and back

[hoary reef]

unsync

[shy crane]

oh

raven is so shit

i see that's some odd behavior

no core boss would help in this case

what if you remove mouse sync

and only switch characters while the game plays on auto

[graceful folio]

you use gaming chair ?

[shy crane]

yes you should do it with a gaming chair

[graceful folio]

if you don't use gaming chair you don't do it right

isn't it just different timing than sbs ?

[shy crane]

once i found the right timing my gaming chair was the perfect fit to sit in

[graceful folio]

just do hold down gaming chair

and stop while reload

[shy crane]

exactly

how do you play alice?

no but with alice + sbs

you swap too

[graceful folio]

i know you're a dignified person that's not using gaming chair texas, so you don't get to experience the real power of gaming chair

[shy crane]

well in the future you want to do that

sbs animation cancel is busted

i got over 30% dmg increase

just had to get a new overload on sbs

because she consumes a bunch more ammo now

on my testing i only used it during her burst yes

[graceful folio]

seamaids will solve that problem

[shy crane]

right i tested it on crown team

[graceful folio]

yes

[shy crane]

uh wait a sec

you don't press cover though

ah right

i thought it was only for the current character

[graceful folio]

you don't lose much if your liter don't shoot for the entire fight

[shy crane]

why don't you swap to siren?

[graceful folio]

but the gain is huge

[shy crane]

well i guess siren's dps is higher

makes sense so if your raven has a shitter like liter it's fine

[graceful folio]

the idea is your sbs and alice take the gaming chair in turn

gotta share it

[shy crane]

i'm still thinking that switching to siren might be better

siren has smg while mast shoots core

and mast lets siren s2 fire more maybe

[graceful folio]

why don't just switch to anchor ?

seamaids sbs alice liter should be best to abuse it i think

cuz you get unlimited ammo

[pale sorrel]

What are your ol for raven and rrh to have even dmg?

[graceful folio]

weak ass rrh

she's good in 2 elements my man

you get double mileage

easily the best investment to go ball deep

i mean it's line1 ele and not even 20%+

i also have like 20 rocks for eve

but i'm just waiting for challenge mode

see how she perform then decide

Raven is guarrantee a good off burst dps, that's already good reason to invest in her

[viral kiln]

imo, the 2d adaption isn't good
The 2D version lacks the creepiness of the original

[graceful folio]

i think they did a good job

with Raven

she looks like a doll in SB

[viral kiln]

I agree, but the looks are totally different
I like the look of 2d version itself though

[hoary reef]

2ND CLOSURE

AINT NO WAY

[graceful folio]

same with Eve, they tried a different look on her

i think Nikke's Eve is cuter

[muted wharf]

Behemoth still lingers

[clear trellis]

didn't I say Raven gain very little from anim cancelling?

this is not ToF

stop cancelling

you only gain from basic Attack, not DoT which is 90% of her total dmg

[haughty mauve]

Again?

[flint sapphire]

Well free stuff again hopefully

[clear trellis]

only day 2 free stuff

we should prepare new bug and this time

don't report too soon

[fiery pollen]

can't have nice things

people instant post shit for clout

[clear trellis]

patient is a virtue

[graceful folio]

last time it was day 1 of SR

now it's day 2 when SR reopen

next time challenge mode surely

[gloomy topaz]

This feels more like critical RNG malding

I told you guys her kit is pure DoT

[cobalt gyro]

Next time iron raid cancelled

Back to another year wait

[gloomy topaz]

And this boss is a Collab boss, it won't be added on the iron boss pool

[flint sapphire]

Lol they gonna need to pull back more devs from Project Spirits to fix this mess of coding

[fiery pollen]

what devs? it's all AI

[cobalt gyro]

Either their QA is incompetent or insufficient

Tbh

Or maybe they should have beta testers that actually test

[flint sapphire]

I don't think there has even been a QA around since test server lol

[gloomy topaz]

Devs lol

[gloomy topaz]

Exactly

[clear trellis]

to be fair

I don't think any QA can cover this case

Raven and Ein don't even relate lol

unless you do full verification every patch, which is extremely taxing

[gloomy topaz]

Nikke is running in AutopIlot

[dull plinth]

Huh

Shit u guys complain too quickly

[dull plinth]

@latent crest I have a suspicion that every char is hardcoded lmao

What is OOP?

Old things break randomly

It feels weird

Cus unrelated

[tranquil umbra]

So, they are fixing the bug xd

Well, free rewards I guess

[limpid kindle]

300 jims and usual shit we would have gotten if sr was open

[jaunty fern]

You're not missing anything

It's just we need to thank raven for helping us find this thing

[gloomy topaz]

nice

SBS back to top10 meta

[flint warren]

please announce EoS next so we can go home

[gloomy topaz]

No, they still got profits from AI+interns

[strong crag]

Not before rapi wedding skin gacha that costs $90 now cuz inflation happened

[flint warren]

atp the interns are ai too and are just triggering other ais

[steep glen]

ill show rapi inflation

[bronze sun]

Ez, make it an option for the gacha skin vote

Also, shouldn't the voting have started already?

[strong crag]

Sometime in July I think

Although with how hot it is it already feels like late July

🫠

[bronze sun]

It started the last week of June last year

Pretty sure of that

Maybe this Friday?

[strong crag]

You’re right. Red hoods vote showed up June 27th last time

Surprisingly no leaks this time

[gloomy topaz]

Solo raid during Nier rerun

[strong crag]

Have to make it fire weak raid I guess since nier rerun units are fire sorry iron

[timid remnant]

Ultra Stage 9 with Raven. Its just that Easy

https://youtu.be/Tc6E7qqYxrw

[gloomy topaz]

Why videos are always max core units

[jaunty fern]

Do you want the broadcaster role

[gloomy topaz]

I'm the only one not max coring units or what

[jaunty fern]

So u can post in #ark-tv-broadcasts

[strong crag]

Damn was all excited till I saw cores

very easy

[drowsy lantern]

Nah, I don't max core collab units unless I like them

[fiery pollen]

would raven do more to ultra compared to rh?

[drowsy lantern]

Going MLB on these ones unless I manage to finish Stellar Blade before the event ends

So far, don't like Eve's appearance in Nikke enough to bother. Haven't met Raven in SB yet tho

[gloomy topaz]

No, hood is always piercing

[drowsy lantern]

I also shy away from getting too many cores now cuz I realized it makes it harder for me to help my union mates with comps

Cores can skew performance so much

[gloomy topaz]

I can't max core units cuz I'm not spending money

[strong crag]

Max coring everything and advising non whales has the same energy as looking like a chad and giving tips on picking up women to normies

[drowsy lantern]

My F2P alt can max core one unit with mileage

[gloomy topaz]

Yeah but that account sacrificed a lot of things

[drowsy lantern]

Yeah, and only one unit

[gloomy topaz]

I sacrificed all the banners since wasuka

To MLB this Collab

[drowsy lantern]

Not much missed tbh

[gloomy topaz]

Well raven and eve are not the big wow

So idk

Maybe the real units are coming in summer

[strong crag]

I saved up to mlb eve and yeah… whelmed

[strong crag]

Realer units coming after summer in anni 3

[drowsy lantern]

FOMO factor is lowering for collab units now, as well, since reruns are actually a possibility

[gloomy topaz]

I hope summer nikkes are shit then I can pull one copy and disappear till anni

[graceful folio]

dont we get a 3rd collab before anni ?

[drowsy lantern]

Unknown

[flint sapphire]

Very easy just swipe 💳

[strong crag]

Sure bro gimme your credit card details I’ll core max em rn

[drowsy lantern]

Actually depressed about core diff cuz a union mate saw my full auto Kraken clear and super-invested his Anchor to do it

Ultimately found out he doesn't have the cores on his units to make it work

[strong crag]

Poor bro

[drowsy lantern]

Still gets wiped from elemental QTE at full hp even with +5/+5/+5/+5 SR15 Anchor and vigor cube

We calculated HP

...he just needs like 200,000 more

Basically one dupe

[strong crag]

only guides that I sometimes follow are hard mode clears when I see the deficit is similar to mine

Otherwise following guides in this game is worthless cuz of some vids containing high core units

[drowsy lantern]

Yup

That was the original reason I started multiple accounts

Allows me to test more

Sadly, I lost motivation to continue most of them

[strong crag]

makes sense

[pale sorrel]

what doll lvl?

[strong crag]

When you have a super whale acc, f2p acc gonna feel depressing

[drowsy lantern]

Also life stuff delayed my start on content creation

[graceful folio]

not really

you got bored real quick if you're too powerful and having nothing to do

which is exactly what happen to Nikke whales

[strong crag]

I wouldn’t know but makes sense

They keep adding random amounts of tower levels for only the biggest whales after all

[drowsy lantern]

Top 200 SR is basically just using the same comps, minimizing skill issues, then crying at whale and rock RNG diff

Though recently comps have become more diverse, which is fun

Especially water-weak

This raid should be interesting still since, even with Eve and Raven, we're still low on notable iron units

[bronze sun]

My anchor is LB1 and she survives the QTE

At 0/0/0/0 SR5

[pale sorrel]

same sr5 lb0 anchor

doll to sr5 was enough to survive

[bronze sun]

Ok, nvm she is LB2, but doesn't make much difference

[gloomy topaz]

Whel

[strong crag]

The low gem count screams whel

[pale sorrel]

[bronze sun]

[drowsy lantern]

Might be console diff

Either that or you guys deal less damage

[pale sorrel]

iirc i was only in stage 5 when qte hits

[mortal spear]

if its auto 7 you’d be at 6 I think before qte hits

[bronze sun]

Pay to lose

[pale sorrel]

nop, just after qte ^, u cant survive stage 6 qte, i think

will result this with full afk

[bronze sun]

Correct, pay to lose indeed

[pale sorrel]

then just go full dps, stage 7 before qte

[drowsy lantern]

I'm auto 8, stage 6 when hits

Same for union mate

Only anchor dies on my main

[cosmic fable]

I auto 8 and always do the qte in stage 5

[pale sorrel]

anchor is only there for qte, so her dying doesnt really matter

[cosmic fable]

yeah also this isn't #raid-planning

go discuss your skill issues with kraken over there

[drowsy lantern]

[green python]

iron solo raid next year for sure

[glacial elm]

[ ] Stellar Blade collab’s Solo Raid will be postponed and comped twice
[ ] Nier collab will rerun
[ ] Eve will be buffed
[ ] Raven will be fixed
[ ] Next Solo Raid after this one will be Iron

Which checkboxes would you have ticked?

[flat nacelle]

None

It's all so absurd

But also eve isn't getting a buff, right?

[shy crane]

to guess raven would be fixed i'd have to guess that she would be broken to start with

which i did

[mortal spear]

#questioning-centre

[flat nacelle]

Bruh

[clear cloak]

the bugs that they are currently fixing are bugs that have existed for a looooong time, other than this new ein bug

its just embarrassing that they dont just hire some external testers that play the game before releasing content. like part time testers... setting a budget of legit 1k a month at that rate to test stuff before release.... but nah lmfao. Companies ive worked with always have some of us working oncall.... but i guess SU is not willing to do even that

[shy crane]

some people here could find these bugs for minimum wage

alone

[clear cloak]

yeah lmfao

a lot of people would be willing to work part time from home once a week or whenever they need to test that actually play the game, and itd be even easier to stop leaks since you know who the handful are who are doing it

[shy crane]

their development cycle is probably so fast that there isn't even time for proper quality control

make product and ship up then deal with the consequences as the next event/character is about to be released

[clear cloak]

yuup....

[hoary reef]

why would you pay wages when you have a playerbase who tests for you and spends money at the same time

[shy crane]

people would do it for free

[hoary reef]

they are paying su to do qa

its even better

[shy crane]

and after they fix it even more people spend money

good job shift up proud of you

[unique sluice]

tested with srosanna

[flint warren]

400m damage diff?

[unique sluice]

bready has damage taken debuff til

[glacial elm]

I like MiharaOs one

Puts my "big" investments to good use

[runic marlin]

Can u test Mihara vs Raven in neutral pls

[jaunty fern]

do we still need to manual raven?

and do that cringe shit

of holding for 5s

[winter ledge]

No.. that was the fix

[dull plinth]

Does S2 affect burst skill damage

@clear trellis @jaunty fern @latent crest

[dull plinth]

The parts damage bruh

The one that activates at the start of battle

[clear trellis]

actually yes

if you can burst fast enough

delay till initial buff gone

[clear trellis]

@dull plinth

here

[dull plinth]

Thanks added after confirmation

[gloomy topaz]

no core no parts nuetral (aim assist off)

my mihara is a bit weaker than raven cuz only 3atk lines

so I think mihara is a bit stronger at the end

@jaunty fern

neutral, I'm tired of propaganda

[gloomy topaz]

yeah I think this is the difference if both have 4 atk lines

[jaunty fern]

Bro the diff is like 2%

[gloomy topaz]

[jaunty fern]

She's at the same level as far as I'm concerned

[gloomy topaz]

mihara the worst 1% banner

[jaunty fern]

And can scale better

When boss has parts

[gloomy topaz]

yup

if you add parts rip midhara

at least they are different element so is not that bad

[fiery pollen]

at least mihara can go pvp

[strong crag]

In the weirdest Strat yeah

Raven PvP is a shame. Guess they don’t want another repeat of emilia

[fiery pollen]

i think just her having regular rl explosion radius would be enough to put her in pvp meta

we're kinda lacking iron dps for pvp

[pale sorrel]

raven and mih off burst also the same dmg?

[gloomy topaz]

Yup

With permanent core mihara is better cuz MG

With parts no core raven scales a lot

At least they are different elements, so nobody gonna suffer...

1% banner btw

[pale sorrel]

really makes her name midhara true

[tranquil umbra]

I honestly prefer that to having yet another rapi, power creep at it's finest xd

[gloomy topaz]

They won't creep rapiH this year

[steep glen]

She has regular explosion radius no?

[glacial elm]

I didn’t check this, but someone said Raven’s “explosion radius” is similar to BScarlet’s “explosion radius”. It’s tiny. Would only easily AoE something like Heavy Metal

[runic marlin]

Thank you

[steep glen]

first shot whiffed actually and killed noise with the dot

[steep glen]

idk who said it but from what i was looking at terrain destruction/aoes even in the video shes definately not sbs explosion radius

[glacial elm]

Thanks for the clarification . It was one of those things I took at face value and never checked up on

Being able to AoE two Nikkes in PvP is safe to say that she has regular sized basic attack AoEs for a RL

[fiery pollen]

i find that hard to believe unless SU specifically nerfed raven's burst gen per hit

[steep glen]

whats so hard to believe?

do u know what firing at a2 speed does to a unit

also i think basil needs to update that

its even lower

[timid remnant]

yea syre

[jaunty fern]

Gave you it

Feel free to post your videos in #ark-tv-broadcasts

[glacial elm]

I guess the problem is, at 2RL when most RLs fired two shots, Raven still hasn’t fired second shot

That’s assuming she has a slower recovery from firing the first shot

So she loses herself for 2RL teams, instead works for 2.5RLs

[clear trellis]

no she never works

[glacial elm]

But... I thought Raven could be fixed

[steep glen]

this, she gets her 2nd shot right around 3rd (just before)

and u also only get 2 dot ticks from when i was watching

[mortal spear]

tbf cinderella has like no burst gen

and she’s still used

but raven’s nuke% is just too low

[strong crag]

raven's use lies in her DoT, since she takes an eternity to shoot that's the problem

[potent ruin]

So Raven DoT on super stall teams like Moran Nero would be viable?

[gloomy topaz]

That's a good question

[steep glen]

doubtful, ur basically a single target unit that needs to stack up per target(5 targets in pvp)

why dont i just bring an alice/rh who also has the same problem of single target

and doesnt need to ramp up per target

they just go blasting

[cosmic fable]

that's where mihara is better at

[steep glen]

mihara being better at aoe is a wild thought tbh cuz thats like a core weakness of campaign mihara

really shows how crappy raven aoe really is compared to boss

[cosmic fable]

what do you mean mihara #1 clearer for event stages

just don't fight anything that can fight back

[steep glen]

did u know she shoots the enemies before u can even target

[cosmic fable]

yeah

[steep glen]

way back when i tried to find her spend rate

in shooting range

shes shooting enemies before fight starts actually cheater

[dull plinth]

Her offburst is fine if u can manage her to work in stall comps

Against electric only btw

[ocean kiln]

dumb question but what does offburst refer to?

[shut badger]

How dog shi is raven

At pvp

[pale sorrel]

The unit in the team doesnt burst at all

Mostly it is referred to the 3rd b3 in a b1,b2 and 3x b3 team

[spice finch]

The most b3 characters it's a own clearly DPS characters.

But some characters needed to be offburst because they DPS is seriously dropped after entering and ending Full Burst.

Example: Mihara, Modernia

[cosmic fable]

Tribe Tower 970F stormshitter

[mortal spear]

higher bp on everyone except rapi??

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-meme-stan-twt-suspicious-suspicious-cat-buckspendragon-gif-310094932943837255

[cosmic fable]

MLB RapiRH only

[bronze sun]

3x ele now

[cunning saffron]

so is Raven iron raid only pick, or can she be used for raid boss in general (no core and no pierce)

[cosmic fable]

probably would depend on your own invested roster but there's a good chance she will be utilized and also dependent on your own OL

like for example water weak raids is fully covered for but the chances most people have all the water DPS invested is quite low because they're all so "mid"

[fiery pollen]

you can still use raven for UR as well.
rapi/mihara/alice goes to fire
rh/raven goes to iron

[drowsy lantern]

Heavily investing for neutral in the current point of the game is risky, so safe to assume iron-only until proven otherwise

[pale sorrel]

U telling me to skip building raven and save till 3rd anni water dps on the lvl of cindy/rrh?

[clear trellis]

sound like ToF players

keep skipping till Altered banner

so you skill whole year and only pull one at the end

what's the point of playing that way

[graceful folio]

just focus on building 2 elements of your favourite and mildly invest on the rest

[gloomy topaz]

Raven gonna be important for iron weak raids, the irrelevant one it's Eve

Of course only if you care iron raids

[graceful folio]

she's also okay on neutral

[pale sorrel]

Or only focus on the units instead of element? Im not going to in second tier units

[pale sorrel]

Im building raven rn partly coz of UR, u think eve is better there? SR is whatever top3% is izi

[gloomy topaz]

Eve is shit

Raven as B3 off burst in UR is quite good

For example

[pale sorrel]

Raven + rrh > eve + rrh?

[gloomy topaz]

Of course

[pale sorrel]

[gloomy topaz]

Thing is, eve is like hood but without pierce

[pale sorrel]

My guild leader rn

[gloomy topaz]

Imagine hood without pierce, yeah a shit

Exactly that's eve

[pale sorrel]

So UR iron weak with core best iron setup something like rh rrh raven

[gloomy topaz]

Save rrh for fire

[pale sorrel]

No core dump rh

[gloomy topaz]

Iron UR is grave digger

Easy team, liter grave Rh Maxwell/snow raven

[pale sorrel]

For general purpose save for fire but my fire to non existing

No mw/sw

[gloomy topaz]

Rh raven shelm

Or helmT

[pale sorrel]

[gloomy topaz]

Wait till UR to cook here

Raven gonna shine there

[pale sorrel]

Yea it is just some in general stuff

[glacial elm]

New bug. The bug is, Raven works. Solo Raid closed to fix the bug.

[drowsy lantern]

If you only focus on good generalist units, have fun only getting Pilgrims and supports

Playing for elements is the way to go. 1-2 for F2P, 2-3 for dolphins/small whales, 4 for big whales, and 5 for leviathans

[pale sorrel]

That is pretty much what i have been doing

[drowsy lantern]

And note I didn't say skip Just said don't heavily invest

100 rocks on Raven is account bricking if F2P

unless iron specialist

[pale sorrel]

I prio other units before raven, like rrh cindy sbs wasuka and then something like raven

I dont see why u want to build a second tier team for a element tho

Only for SR ig

Like build eve and raven, so u can go eve/rrh and rh/raven or something

How i do it rn is to build 1 strong team for every element first, expect fire

[pale sorrel]

Could u pls tell me what unit u would invest in over raven? I have the f2p mindset

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtMzU2NzAzNzIyNjE5ODg3ODYz&openid=MjkwODAtMzU2NzAzNzIyNjE5ODg3ODYz

[graceful folio]

5 is impossible for anyone but dev account, cuz rock income

[drowsy lantern]

Kira

Pretty sure he's top 5 in everything without fail

[graceful folio]

i'm pretty sure skill play an important role there

[drowsy lantern]

Not denying that, but skill won't get you anywhere if you don't have stats

The difference in Mihara's performance with/without ATK roles, for example

Even in water, where he's weakest, Kira still in 95+% percentile for CP

[mortal spear]

its also a 🐳 factor

[raven forum]

No need skill in this game. Just OL luck

[green python]

that should tell you everything, no one survived the dmg increase from lvl 7 to 10 to report back

[pale sorrel]

just 10/10/10 too many books anyway

[dull plinth]

Cus different bosses have different %

Generally S2 becomes relatively less valuable if:

1. Raven is Bursting.
2. Boss doesn't have parts.

And it becomes more valuable if:

1. Raven is NOT Bursting.
2. Boss has parts.

Assuming full uptime of S2 + Raven is offburst = S2's scaling on total damage is tremendous.

Full uptime of S2 + Raven in-burst = S2's scaling is weakened because Burst Skill replaces it, and you have to "stall" part destruction until Burst effect ends.

Note that S2 is 100% useless if boss has no parts.

Similarly, Burst is useless if Raven is off-burst.

So upgrade her only after you know how she's used in Raid and adjust based on boss timeline. Some takehome notes:

• Is part stalling a viable strategy (for activating S2 instantly after Burst Skill effect ends)?
• Does boss have parts/spawn parts regularly at least every 15 seconds, or has parts that you can destroy separately (so you can kill one and keep the other one temporarily)?
• Is Raven in-burst or off-burst in your team config/reference run?

[gloomy topaz]

[gloomy topaz]

He's playing horse girls

[glossy eagle]

just some hand wavy math.
ideal scenario for the skill itself is off burst 100% uptime. ignore out of full burst damage just add the numbers together.
^59.11% sustained damage at 7
vs
^68.44% sustained damage at 10

1.6844/1.5911 = 5.8% damage increase. but a bit less cuz the full burst time buff is 5 seconds so estimate like idk 5.3%

at the very worst youre off burst breaking 0 parts. you have the fb buff every 5/13 seconds
5/13 * ^18.24% = 7.015 at 7
5/13 * ^21.12% = 8.123 at 10

1.08123/1.07015 = 1% damage increase.

so somewhere between 1 and 5.3 approx

but dont quote me its entirely handwavy estimaty math

even less impact if youre bursting

also assuming you have no other source of sustained damage buffers and youre totally ignoring her regular attack damage

[zenith reef]

was it worth it MLBing raven and eve

[strong crag]

MLB Eve for her meta lobby

MLB raven for shit idk

[upper snow]

I’ll share a mobile ultra clear with Raven too since other clear videos are on PC

https://youtu.be/aNqLNxx_mGE?feature=shared

Difference between my clear and the others is that I don’t get a respawning core at stage 8 due to the high dps so I finish ultra without core

[strong crag]

Is everyone max core

Like raven rh and rapipi I mean

[upper snow]

Raven mlb rh c5 rapi c1

[gloomy topaz]

[mortal spear]

thats not that crazy

25 seconds left clear means as long as you’re not completely dupeless on the dps you should be fine

or yk just dont expect a stage 9 mobile clear

[upper snow]

If ur lower on dps you’ll get a respawning core at stage 8 so still doable

I don’t get respawning core at stage 8 so I can’t clear it below 2:20

[mortal spear]

yeah

very nice clear tho

[fiery pollen]

i have that same problem, but then I can't clear

so it's like that sweet spot of doing too much damage and then doing way too little damage because of no core

[clear cloak]

oh k.

[mortal spear]

OLs on both?

[pale sorrel]

should be pretty close

agains sr boss

[summer steppe]

for this SR, can I just go 10/7/7?

also do I still need to manual her? or what did they fix

[glacial elm]

Raven has it pretty cozy vs this boss, can ignore her whole fight

Commander on the other hand, time to be paranoid about missing stuff

Fight punishes fairly often if you mess up

[clear cloak]

Both are 4 ele 4 atk. Rapi has 2 ammo rolls as well. I'll double check the exact numbers. But around 85% ele on both and 40% atk on both.

Honestly ravens just good on this boss only, maybe, since it seems like it perma has parts from its limbs

[mortal spear]

my raven is too shit for me to compare for my account

like complete dogwater

but she was only doing 1/5 of infinite ammo rapi

even if I use both you guys’ ravens for ref she’s still a bil short of my rapi who’s missing one ele

but then again my rapi is too cracked so its not a fair comparison

i just got way better rolls on my eve so shes going with my rapi

[clear cloak]

Rapi eve good too honestly. The 10% damage buff for the team more than makes up for it

And idk why or what's going on, but she seems to be doing a lot more damage than I expected for this specific sr

I really wish that we had an actual boss selector for testing instead of just the one in the union...

[thorny forge]

90% ele 20% atk raven btw

but my rapipi is too strong

[mortal spear]

whats rapi stats

cause this is mine

[graceful folio]

mine is very simple

[mortal spear]

me missing that ele is really hurting rn

i had to roll of the ele to get an attack on line 3

[thorny forge]

[mortal spear]

crazy how infinite ammo still loses when its 30% more ele

[thorny forge]

yeah I don't have inf ammo

[mortal spear]

also im ngl, 300% isnt enough

i still had to reload

[graceful folio]

i mean just reroll that arm

[thorny forge]

I prob could have manual reloaded rapi

[mortal spear]

it was once I got that blue ammo on the helmet that it was enough

[thorny forge]

I just stayed on siren the whole time

[mortal spear]

yeah ik im working on it

no rocks

[graceful folio]

you often pair rapi with Crown anyway

[mortal spear]

my raven is complete shitter

[graceful folio]

so the downtime is very minimal

reload very fast

[mortal spear]

so might try to fix her

i want leviathan to be a b2 mg so siren can be separated from crown

her reload speed feels wasted with rapi having infinite

[thorny forge]

does your rapi not need siren to be infinite?

[mortal spear]

no she needs siren

but siren is all she needs

[thorny forge]

oh

[mortal spear]

that way it would be siren leviathan rapi instead of siren crown rapi

[thorny forge]

wait...

lol

with siren and crown comp, my rapipi somehow has super consistent reloads

always reloads in last 2 seconds of the other burster

perfect reload timing on auto

poggies

[mortal spear]

damn nice

maybe thats why your score is so good even without it

[steep glen]

u mean 10% dmg buff for rapi

when iron/fire just feed rapi is the key

[summer steppe]

raven actually doing good dmg this raid so I might lvl her up past the minimum invest

[atomic laurel]

dodging providence's melee attacks with raven is incredibly difficult

[fiery pollen]

say thanks to shift up

[thorny forge]

she takes forever to go into cover

[glossy eagle]

not super relevant since everyone else is using these supports with SW but I had pretty good success with holding shots for 4 seconds for miranda

https://youtu.be/OHENqLYG4vA

[graceful folio]

can you explain a bit ?

[glossy eagle]

same concept as Miranda mihara but your dot stack only lasts 5 seconds so you shoot after 4 dot ticks depending on when you last fired out of fb

can do it every burst unlike mihara who does it when she bursts

[graceful folio]

what's your raven/miranda srosa investment btw ?

[glossy eagle]

Miranda 4/10/8
sros 4/4/10
raven 10/10/10 c7 Sr15 97/47
shelm 1/10/1

[graceful folio]

my raven vs helm

with Raven's s1 i wonder if helmT can steal miranda buff

[thorny forge]

Is srosa raven midhara core good enough in neutral

Idk if srosa invest is worth

[steep glen]

i think neutral teams are nearly dead

to be honest

sbs alice died this sr

[cosmic fable]

assuming you invest into whatever is meta and have decent OL for them yeah maybe

[steep glen]

our elemental rosters r getting big

[cosmic fable]

there's some raids I think neutral lives until more units come

[steep glen]

ya some will

[cosmic fable]

I think wind doesn't have enough atm

[steep glen]

do u think raven mihara beats alice sbs?

[cosmic fable]

maybe

I saw someone post their sbs/alice comp damage and uhhh

[steep glen]

wind is getting close if we get like 1 more wind unit

[cosmic fable]

my 11% atk mihara did as much as SBS if so

[steep glen]

sbs alice,
asuka
ssak/electric cindy
sg

maybe sbs mana if ur rich

im not rich

[cosmic fable]

I think mana for sure gets used in wind so you're right alice goes to bench warming

[steep glen]

cindy is last bastion of neutral

maybe a rapi team rise up

[cosmic fable]

more like only one that hits hard enough to warrant staying

[steep glen]

she also doesnt use any other important buffers

just a mari, everything else is free

[thorny forge]

I suppose I'll do some tests in shooting range with my 4/4/4 srosa

any idea how much dmg increase 4/4/10 is

[steep glen]

this much

[cosmic fable]

honest opinion if you aren't doing minimum 4/4/10 then just run blanc/noir

[thorny forge]

yeah I suppose

since I'll need to run a flex healer anyway

[cosmic fable]

but yeah I'd say atm for those without full element units invested that's where you'll continue seeing neutral until that's no longer the case

like I don't expect 5x water comps from everyone next water SR

[steep glen]

its like what a 4%~ difference from the sustained dmg portion when accounting for her own sustaine dmg buff? and 10% from dmg taken up

[steep glen]

my bready is ready

breedy

[graceful folio]

@glossy eagle any tips to not drop stack using your miranda raven comp ?

[clear trellis]

hit raven then burst her immediately

you will have 5s perma crit but no more

[graceful folio]

just do 1 hit before every fb with Raven to make sure you dont drop stack then

[clear trellis]

need to do twice

fb = 10s

stack = 5s

[graceful folio]

pls elaborate a bit

from what i understand, you make 1 shot right before fb, then fb, then hold shot for 4 ticks of DOT then release the shot to avoid losing stack

but from the vid i only see him do 3 ticks

[clear trellis]

I guess because if the 4th tick shows it's too late

[graceful folio]

it's a rather unorthodox team

for this raid at least, cuz everyone is using SW

though 5.3b is a respectable numbe

[clear trellis]

indeed

way higher than a lot of Snow Team and you don't mald much

[graceful folio]

since your helmT steal buff, did you try that team yet ?

Raven with her self buff won't be a problem

[clear trellis]

not, in office

[graceful folio]

with decently invested Raven i think that team can reach 4b+ easily

[glossy eagle]

idk tbh it's so hard to not drop stacks. that vid was just playing it safe not trying for max damage

might be easier to look at timer when you fire the shot than to count dot numbers

[cosmic fable]

what's raven's OL when you recorded that

[glossy eagle]

here

[cosmic fable]

hmm I see

[clear trellis]

self buff kicks in after Miranda buff

so no, crit goes to Helm

[graceful folio]

is the atk stat from OL count before enter battle ?

the % atk i mean

[clear trellis]

counted

[cosmic fable]

yeah treat the OL stats as perma buffs

[thorny forge]

is grave buff pretty close to srosa buff in a team with raven and midhara

[clear trellis]

40% Attack Damage + 15% ATK average

vs 48% Attack Damage

hm, give or take, I think it's quite same

oh wait that's Mari

15% ATK + 32.23% dmg taken + 20.32% sus dmg buff

the other 2 equals 59% Attack Damage

so no, Graves won't even come close

[thorny forge]

[thorny forge]

any idea how much total team dmg gain% it's gonna be

assuming grave does same personal dmg as srosa

[cosmic fable]

graves does a lot more

srosa does a lot less

[clear trellis]

no idea

[thorny forge]

wait what

grave does more?

[cosmic fable]

personal damage

[graceful folio]

boss can be pierced so Grave's personal damage is not bad

[thorny forge]

scammed

well I know who to reset next

[glossy eagle]

but now you have grave for another team who can use it better

looks good to me

[cosmic fable]

^

[thorny forge]

it using up helmt is the problem

net is still about same dmg once I finish shuffling things

[cosmic fable]

your only options then are git gud at iframing and covering without helmt or use blanc/noir

[pale sorrel]

it is sros right

[thorny forge]

yes

ok did manage to find a combo that got me a good bit more dmg, had to do a lot of shuffling

wait nvm I added the wrong things

... it's still same dmg

[pale sorrel]

what teams are you running?

[glacial elm]

At least you aren't encountering the situation of your Grave stealing MirandaT crit rate buff from Snow White

[gloomy topaz]

[graceful folio]

Tried SW Miranda comp, helmT steal buff. Fix helmT by lower atk, Grave steal buff

Tragic

[glacial elm]

It fortunately didn't happen to me, but this now makes 2 players I know of that had it happen

[graceful folio]

I fucking hate this game

[glacial elm]

He spent a lot of rocks to spruce up his Snow White and also skilled his MirandaT who wasn't invested before the raid

[graceful folio]

I ended up using Miranda for raven

[glacial elm]

Then discovered this during an attempt and uh... I imagine if he didn't have good temper control, his PC would've flown through the window

He was pretty chill though but his score definitely wasn't as high as it could've been

[thorny forge]

literally been unable to find a diff cook that gives more total

[pale sorrel]

[thorny forge]

feel like I've done every combo under the sun

[pale sorrel]

naga over b.alice then use bunnies on sg?

[thorny forge]

same dmg

[pale sorrel]

is lower total dmg?

ooh

[glossy eagle]

no Miranda shelm?

[thorny forge]

0 invest

[thorny forge]

reran it with a bit extra little invests, went from 17.6 to this, just shy of top 200 prob need around 19bil

[rain pelican]

Rerolled all just once and got this

[glossy eagle]

finally got good and got a near perf run close to max miranda value 0 dropped stacks

https://i.imgur.com/FeuiJot.png

[graceful folio]

how many ammo lines you got on Raven btw

[glossy eagle]

0

and 0 cs

she should be at full stacks by 2nd burst

with how slow shelm cdr is

[graceful folio]

damn

my Raven is 105/32, but my best only 4.5b, just getting drop stack

you got any tips to not drop stack ?

[glossy eagle]

this setting gets rid of a bit of clutter

dont need to be on helm after prepping her

go to raven and release after b2ing

if theres a dot tick around the same time as releasing just do 3 ticks

otherwise can do 4

also know what the 3 dot numbers should be so you know quicker if you dropped stacks and reset faster
in raven burst
in helm burst without part break bonus
in helm burst with part break bonus

[graceful folio]

oh shit, which mean you can further optimize it by time the part breaking

[glossy eagle]

I mean not rly. you cant delay part breaks for more than like a second

[graceful folio]

anyway, thanks for this tech. It's pretty fun to play

in an iron raid with non-dilluted dmg (no core pierce), this comp can potentially be very strong

[violet gale]

thx not snake

[atomic laurel]

where does it show raven's dot stacks?