But will Soda always stun Noah after being taunted? By Noah's RL shot
#[Trina] New Unit Megathread
wintry crystal
maiden kestrel
you test for me lol
that’s my only attempt but I think it will still be random cuz the skill said so
wintry crystal
Basically would be 1 always Noah and 1 random because it won't allow the skill to target same character with nuke + stun again, I think
maiden kestrel
also need soda to be in pos 1-2 or 3? to get hit by noah taunt right?
wintry crystal
Yep, if she doesn't get taunted then true RNG
Still, I didn't realize Soda stuns 2 enemies
That's still "wtfpwn"
maiden kestrel
I need to give her some dolls and OL first
wintry crystal
Oh but people had a hard time using her because of burst gen problems.. but now there's Helm treasure
Overcame Soda's MG feeding Jackal 
maiden kestrel
for rookie I think my soda might just die in pos2 before burst 
wintry crystal
Probably we'll have to say "possible with trina scar helmT" because not sure if this comp can be fast enough without helmT
maiden kestrel
my sp def can use centi instead of helmT still 2RL
sodareplace my rosanna spot
and without helmT soda go to pos2 for jackal link
so cuz cindy skill also say random too and tauntable so soda can be taunt too?
thanks to trina being clipRL 
maiden kestrel
will try after work today ig 
keen wasp
I want more skill books 
SU, you don't even give enough skill books for lv 777 important NIKKE
tough bronze
Interesting tech 
visual falcon
decoy takes dmg as same as Cindy
tough bronze
Is a stall team possible with Moran + Trina?
and with T.Helm in general or Quiry as against a Noah team
oblique vortex
can trina buffed scar kill cin usually or still not enough damage?
Scar's nume and s2 ignore Cindy's decoy
So it should pretty easy
oblique vortex
Yep, if she doesn't get taunted then true RNG
At this point, just use Rapunzel and hope she drops to 30% hp
viscid wyvern
wait
that nuke % modifier
doesnt that make soline burst do like 18k% dmg?
soline could be a good placeholder on trina comp until we get another electric AR
thorny sleet
soline is "affect enemy in the attack range"
viscid wyvern
soline is "affect enemy in the attack range"
wasnt that brid?
thorny sleet
wasnt that brid?
wet maple
soline is iron…
hasty aurora
and SMG not AR 
rancid plover
not what Horlof was talking about
Spread Roots and Withered roots affecting Soline nuke, tis but a dream now
thorny sleet
any single target attack is tauntable
oblique vortex
and SMG not AR <:Doro:1146503869988343848>
The burst damage buff part is independent
Only needs it to be a nuke(a.k.a targets all enemies) that does final burst damage
hasty aurora
I know
my point is just that there is no point to use Soline with Trina
visual falcon
tauntable
if you don't believe, try again 5 more times
Noah should always be stun
oblique vortex
Noah should always be stun
thorny sleet
did trina buff dist dmg that also affect all enemies too? like scar bs 9th shot for example
visual falcon
doesn't work
fluid jolt
They should just release full naked trina burst but with three leaves accidentally falling of the tree and covering secret areas
thorny sleet
Oh, ok..so it has to be raw burst dmg
lost silo
taunt-able or just lucky <:sadsoda:1222155265328283650>
Bro why are you using soda in arena
is this a new meta
wintry crystal
Bro why are you using soda in arena
lost silo
https://tenor.com/view/child-aww-cute-what-the-fail-gif-11812677
Yes I want soda to do that on me too
But why arena
sullen pine
for her stun... if she always targets noah then she can legit break her
thorny sleet
If she get taunted by noah shot, it always will
sullen pine
wintry crystal
Yeah. If your team wants to burst before enemy's Noah can burst, to win, Soda can make it happen
Because Noah's unable to burst while stunned
Stun duration is only 1 second
But if they brought another B2, that other B2 will burst instead of Noah
fallow swallow
Is Soda value actually rising in PvP?
cerulean patrol
fallow swallow
When i'm trying to build Laplace Zzzz
Soda first alright, she only need the stun anyway
But how is she for defense? her stun is too randomize to use againt non-taunt Nikke
fallow swallow
It's too RNG relied for def
Easily countered with the same team but replace Soda with Rosanna
maiden kestrel
if your sp def can force them to run 2rl rosanna then the other 2 teams will have easier time ig
if they use 2rl noah to fight scar soda they usually lose if scar can wipe
glass summit
don’t know what they use to hit but I win 2/5 times <:CrownSmug:1233994240715915...
I support ur great team
maiden kestrel
so the team can be noah bait too
opponent will go read soda skill and see the word random and believe in rng and might hit again
also proved that faster 2rl (more cs speed like 7%+ on all sr rl for me) can stun their b1 too and they already use rosanna to cut jackal link
fallow swallow
Worth of try for my Arena
Unfortunately this particular player always use crystal to try another
Rosanna has advantage of burst charge at the start of turn though
maiden kestrel
then you introduce rng to their gems spending
fallow swallow
Tbh most people use Rosanna only for counter Jackal team, which always linked with Scarlet
So the other two team still not that struggle if the opponent use Soda with Scarlet
safe jewel
doesn't putting rosanna in p2 risk her losting concealment?
fallow swallow
Concealment doesn't matter anymore tbh
visual falcon
doesn't putting rosanna in p2 risk her losting concealment?
If Rosanna has Jackal share dmg
she will never lose Concealment before 5s
don't know why
verified a lot of times before
safe jewel
sorry i asked so late, i haven't check here for 2 days 
fallow swallow
she will never lose Concealment before 5s
So, it doesn't matter to put her in 4 or 2, right?
fallow swallow
So that the reason i stll fine
But i don't think it's wise to use Scarlet against Noah or any def with Biscuit
Their invicibility is too scary
lost silo
But if they brought another B2, that other B2 will burst instead of Noah
Alright my team is safe
young rain
maiden kestrel
not 2RL
safe jewel
Alright my team is safe
what OO
lost silo
what
keen wasp
what
hasty aurora
SR5 vs SR0 for Trina 
faint peak
Wait till CA release then decide
rustic hornet
Wait till CA release then decide <:SignalPensive:1349761721224396831>
Even momo coping for champs, SU did us so bad 
Keep lying to us
rustic hornet
SR5 vs SR0 for Trina <:SugarThink:1247447416274288691>
SR0 is fine
Trina does not give any offensive buff
Unless or until you plan to reroll Trina's overload gear you should not think about SR5ing trina
flint plover
lost silo
Even momo coping for champs, SU did us so bad <:Cryge:1204949331036217364>
When is champs snek
safe jewel
SR5 vs SR0 for Trina <:SugarThink:1247447416274288691>
personally myself always do SR5 for any pvp arena character
you benefit from the damage reduction
but it depends on where you are in arena, i'm always in top 6
modern needle
I'm going for sr5
she needs the bulk
p2 trina is in danger from laplace
in other news, I got my 3rd ele line on laplace, 67% ele, just to deal with trina
could go for 4th if I wanted to actually
losing my ammo line tho
maiden kestrel
maybe this gif I just made will introduce soda rng into your arenas 
modern needle
I do need to figure out if no cs laplace gets 1 or 2 hits blocked by scar trina invuln
if anyone able to test that, that would be great, no one runs scar trina in my bracket (infested with 2rl noahs)
dark jacinth
maybe this gif I just made will introduce soda rng into your arenas <:SodaLick:1...
Yep that's new
maiden kestrel
it's the direct counter to 2rl noah
maiden kestrel
don’t know what they use to hit but I win 2/5 times <:CrownSmug:1233994240715915...
and I think my opponents tried to rosanna back but can't get winstreak cuz rosanna 2/5 chance to get stunned cuz I have more charge speed
modern needle
aside from outspeed or tanking it, I think any counter gonna be rng regardless
actually no
taunting noise + noah + backup bay
noise gets 1 taunt, no matter who gets the other, one of them can block 
should work nicely
bscar god variant
maiden kestrel
why are you using 3rl
modern needle
it'll be easily 2rl vs scar soda
that's not a worry at all
problem is, that's a hella expensive counter for a team that only really uses scar and jack works fine in sp since you got blanc biscuit left, but what about champ....
rosa jackal that uses the feed to get faster than 2rl should work still, outspeeding soda and sniping
maiden kestrel
it'll be easily 2rl vs scar soda
oh right about 6x jackal feed
modern needle
and if you position soda away from p2 to avoid rosa snipe.... well scar still dies and you lose (unless you use helmt for gen, and they can now noah you... but they still gotta rng
and here's the problem, if they use rosa jackal here, what they gonna do against your other setups using sg in champ
another option is lap + emi splash to kill soda and scar before they burst
low invest soda (or unlinked, you got good chance)
maiden kestrel
scar will not take any damage from 1st rl cuz trina
modern needle
yeah but scar needs to live 2 hits before she can burst, and soda needs to live 2 if you build some cs
with enough ele on them, it might be enough
maiden kestrel
isn't it soda 3 and scar 2 hit?
3.16 sec full burst
maiden kestrel
oh yeah
modern needle
although if you got enough cs on emi and lap, their scar might only take 1 hit, and get 2 blocked
either way main issue is soda sustain, since they can just run a 2rl noah in there if scar lives
maiden kestrel
is xmaiden auto harder than lapT?
modern needle
for p1 yes
faint peak
Still no review on this nikke? Any good summary in pvp to read anywhere?
maiden kestrel
both of them give additional damage to p1 and p2?
modern needle
even vs ele'ed laplace on adv, well it should be very close iirc
on p2 xmaiden does very little
I feel like in champ, well invested soda scar trina gonna be the comp that ppl skip, or try their rng luck on the stun, or waste their jackal
so should be pretty good
maiden kestrel
I don't even know if you get to be attacker in champion arena
modern needle
problem is, the rng luck isn't that bad, you got pretty good odds of not having your backup getting stunned
the main comp it competes with is rosa scar trina anyway
which has it's own issues, mainly if counters + rosa snipe can even kill 
maiden kestrel
let's see if we get sync locked to like level 600?
how's the stats trend on higher level in pvp
is it harder to deal damage cuz def and hp scales up a lot more? or kinda the same
modern needle
how's the stats trend on higher level in pvp
is it harder to deal damage cuz def...
I don't think it's that big of a deal
from the maths I did last night, the actual bulk gain relative to atk gain is almost none
the main thing that makes a diff tho
is console lvls
they heavily heavily favor bulk, imo that's the actual cause (aside from stuff like higher sync = higher invest = higher gear and doll) of higher sync = bulkier nikkes
depends on how they group brackets for champ
if it can group you with non-whales 200 sync higher than you, then yeah you gotta deal with their higher console lvls, so their units are gonna be bulkier relative to yours
maiden kestrel
consoles same stats on all level upgrades right? but cuz it's capped by your current sync you can't go any higher vs high sync opponent cap
modern needle
yeah
modern needle
but like, even if they cap console for 400 sync
their non-main consoles still higher
modern needle
bc no way anyone got all their consoles capped rn
although it does mean their bulk gain isn't as much
the main center console is the main culprit for bulk favoritism, since it's a huge chunk of hp
but idk, I don't see them even capping consoles
did they do it for any other content?
maiden kestrel
overclock has console disable debuff to pick or is it default now?
modern needle
it's a setting iirc
wintry crystal
overclock has console disable debuff to pick or is it default now?
"No Recyling", it's a selectable risk
keen wasp
bc no way anyone got all their consoles capped rn
Yeah i have bad news for you...
top 100 raid players hit cap
young rain
console is kinda not that big of a deal, it’s more about coop
visual falcon
max console rn is probably 400k hp and 6k atk right?
hm shouldn't be that high
lv 400 stat
HP: 2~2.4m
Def: 11 ~ 16k
ATK: 60 ~ 90k
so let's pick a random Attacker Pilgrim
HP = 450 x 320 + 750 x 320 = 384000 ~ 19.2%
ATK = 4750 ~ 5%
Def = 2550 def ~ 23%
Recycle is
450 hp
Class research are
750 hp
5 def
Company are
25 ATK
5 def
Stat for reference
hm HP is way higher than I expect
damn, do I really have to consider company research in my pvp nuke calc
oh stat at sync 600 lower this by half
5.3m hp means your 384k means 7% only
rustic hornet
5.3m hp means your 384k means 7% only
Consoles don't shrink
visual falcon
rustic hornet
Oh base hp does
visual falcon
a/b. A is fixed, b inflates by 100%. What's the new ratio
stop making me become methuteacha
lost silo
a/b. A is fixed, b inflates by 100%. What's the new ratio
meth
wintry crystal
5.3m hp means your 384k means 7% only
7%, nice. And even lower at higher synchro. Except the important PvP like Solo Raid is supposed to be lvl400 synchro?
wintry crystal
so let's pick a random Attacker Pilgrim
HP = 450 x 320 + 750 x 320 = 384000 ~ 1...
Is that lvl 400 synchro %s?
Hot damn, 19.2% more hp and 23% more def? Survival rate soaring
visual falcon
yeah, a max core max research is like 44% tankier than base
on top of 15% dmg reduction
and people be like: How can they survive with Rouge pseudo heal
you don't wanna know
wet maple
yeah, a max core max research is like 44% tankier than base
what’s max level?
wet maple
well ye
young rain
current max sync is around 887?
young rain
sync's cap is tied to the number of units in the sync machine
and it will keep going up as they release new units
wet maple
well “infinite” but
wet maple
all the megawhales already at 700+ sync
just make the modules cap at 1k sync or smt
so at least there’s some end goal
young rain
that's bad for business
young rain
yes and they cater to those whales
wet maple
idk why it would be so bad
young rain
they're the target market
young rain
not that i disagree with you, but isn't almost everything in life useless flex
and games
wet maple
I guess
its just even more useless cause the rewards are not that useful
like its a negligible diff
maiden kestrel
iirc they said they'll revamp coop rewards
wintry crystal
they dont have a cap on it?
It's capped, for allowing the commander to keep levelling the console targets. But after he's levelled them... he keeps them even if his characters regresses back to lv.400 for battles. GGNORE
Though we can't be sure if it's actually that way
Might be it drops to lv.400 synchro for console targets max lvl
But how do we find out this?
Hmm... right, the Nikkes show their final max hp
Do they show final def anywhere during combat? That'd be easier
modern needle
find out when your nikkes start doing 1 dmg ig
do a fight where if no consoles, they would be doing dmg, if consoles, 1 dmg
or just use a nikke that heals, use their heal value to calc their hp
wintry crystal
or just use a nikke that heals, use their heal value to calc their hp
Their final HP is already directly revealed during combat in the pause screen
That’s why it’s probably the easiest one if can find the timing to enter a synchro 400 battle and check max hp, then increase hp-affecting console level while definitely well above intended for synchro 400… then go back in and check
If the HP value changed upwards, then clearly it’s uncapped no matter how high level it goes
modern needle
oh you mean testing it with sync 400 in shooting range or something? I don't think they cap it
wintry crystal
Shooting range, that’ll work
No.. it won’t. Scope lock affects too many things
It probably mutilates recycling center bonuses too
We can just do Anomaly Interception to find out though
modern needle
then you do it, if capped at 400 sync worth of consoles, I wouldn't even be able to tell
wintry crystal
I might, it does take someone with an obscene amount of consoles available since the goal is to test it past synchro 400’s recycling center max level
Otherwise if it’s below, it’s an ineffectual test
modern needle
center console for 400 sync cap is 180
wintry crystal
Thanks for that, I was wondering what it was just now
modern needle
81k hp
wintry crystal
Okay, I’ll see if I can take something like Attackers console to 180, then test taking it to 181 and seeing if HP value changes in Anomaly Interception
If it’s not already over 180 to begin with
Not in a hurry to do it, maybe @visual falcon already knew 
Oh good timing. I’m at 179 attacker atm
So won’t cost me much
I’ll check in on testing this tomorrow
modern needle
180 attacker should be 135k hp
216k from them both at 180
just go into ai and see your hp, see if it's the same or lower than in nikke screen
modern needle
yeah so your center console is well above 180
wintry crystal
Oh that
modern needle
if it's limited in any way it's easy to tell
wintry crystal
3,567,919 max HP in battle vs Kraken
Ooh good idea
Checking that
3,576,920 max HP after the subtraction
It’s off by 9,001 hp
modern needle
how much hp are you getting from attacker + center
also did you change anything about scar recently, like cube
modern needle
it's prob something like cube, you would lose a lot more than 9k if center got capped
modern needle
yeah if center was capped you would be 63k hp off
wintry crystal
Hm let me compare, I swapped Bastion and Resil yesterday maybe
Resilience lv.13: 63,100 hp
Bastion lv.8: 31,400 hp
Doesn’t add up but I can just think it’s Blabla link being weird
Or I might’ve typo’d a number and didn’t realize it
I have hp from doll and gear as well
And dupes, BS Scarlet’s at c7
wintry crystal
vs Kraken AI
+750hp going from 179 to 180 attacker lvls in recycling center
6,919 trailing four digits became
7,774 trailing four digits
7774-6919=855
I gained +105 more hp than expected @modern needle
Was supposed to be +750hp
wintry crystal
Attacker level 179: 134,250 hp
Can confirm - this 134,250 at lv.179 became 135,000 at lv.180
cold plover
vs Kraken AI
+750hp going from 179 to 180 attacker lvls in recycling center
6,91...
consoles scale with cores
.02 per core for .14 total
750 * 1.14 = 855
wintry crystal
I did not know that, it was probably evident in formulae somewhere but I never looked
RIP
Though scaling with such a small value is... heh
cold plover
silent roost
fallow swallow
I always goes for console, but the discount one. Buying that orange thing only make you salty when got SR Nikke instead.
With how it seem there's gonna be more future content locked to level cap, seem investing to console will not bad.
young rain
orange thing is useless
with how diluted the ssr pool is and how many of those ssr's are useless
visual falcon
console, but which one
for pee ve pee, goes for class researches
HP scales better than ATK
for Pee ve E, goes for company
5% is still something. But on campaign and UR, it barely means anything
fallow swallow
I think for hp scales, Attacker type great because how often boss targeting highest Attack, and you know how low Attacker hp comparing to defender or suppoter
native oyster
The molds still give me something as a almost F2P, so I still buy those with DNA 
oblique vortex
Keep lying to us
Nikke learned from star citizen or whatever the f was that game
oblique vortex
<a:DoroThink:1218582560406503454> I feel like in champ, well invested soda scar ...
how invested are we talking about?
oblique vortex
top 100 raid players hit cap
what is the cap
wintry crystal
Oh, I hadn’t tested this still on whether battle synchro caps consoles
I’m on, I guess I can try now
HP ending in 7,774 for BS Scarlet, synchro 695, vs Anomaly Kraken, with lv180 Attackers and lv320 General
Among other things, including MCB, doll, and lv5 OLs
Buying Attacker consoles to reach lv181
18,400 body labels to get 46 more Attacker consoles 
+750 hp for going from lv180 to lv181 Attackers, or so the Recycling Center claims
HP now ending in 8,629 for BS Scarlet, synchro 695, vs Anomaly Kraken, with lv181 Attackers and lv320 General
wintry crystal
what is the cap
So it appears that as long as Recycling Center bonuses are allowed, synchro does not cap it
wintry crystal
console, but which one
Considering how there are some battles where you time out but could’ve cleared if you had just a half second more, +atk is almost always the best choice. Assuming survival is never the biggest problem
But it’s not as simple as just believing that because you can only level a manufacturer if you go for the red consoles. You pick Pilgrim? Your Elysion, Missilis, Tetra, and Abnormal are neglected…
For that reason only, I think HP from the class consoles is probably the best choice - they’re universal, and being dead is also a big problem
Full disclosure, I went went for Pilgrim consoles 
Because I wanted the Pilgrim Manufacturer Points
keen wasp
Recycle Center scale with Synchro, while Synchro scale with Outpost.
fluid jolt
So trina is pvp unit
lyric urchin
So trina is pvp unit
yes, most useful on PVP
PVE only for Electric Raids, if you want to use scarlet there
well, she has insane burst gen, so that's another thing
feral grove
does Trina buff elec snipers or just AR?
trail talon
does Trina buff elec snipers or just AR?
Just AR
lyric urchin
Jill will be used with Trina?
lavish birch
But why though
She only really buffs one unit so your second B3 will be a wet noodle and her buffs aren't even that great for Jill
A ton of attack damage and some reload speed + hit rate is nice but Jill already gives herself a ton of attack damage and Trina more than triples Jill ammo when Jill wants to reload spam
bold wolf
wtf happened
open marlin
desert fractal