[Trina] New Unit Megathread

[proper wagon]

[rustic hornet]

they really make it easy accessing some hard to get 'datamined' data in the blabla

but its also odd how we cannot post those data/images in maincord/blabla app

[proper wagon]

yeah I mean blabla has let me adjust my calculator a lot

[cerulean patrol]

NGA

[proper wagon]

to the point where I now have all nikke weapon and skill scaling info baked into it now

previously I was working with hard coded Lv10 skill values

but now I just have everything which is great

It also let me fix a fudge factor in my SBS calc

[rustic hornet]

ive asked them to add doll info man i really dont want to click on every unit ingame to find doll lvls

[rustic hornet]

yeah these are good teams

some of them are expensive

[proper wagon]

I had an empirical 0.45s delay fudge factor in my SBS attack speed calc, but after looking into the URLs, I determined that it was most likely actually 0.44

which like, sounds like dogshit but actually matters a lot

[rustic hornet]

i think lorax has access to all that data anyways

[proper wagon]

0.01 difference is a lot

[rustic hornet]

u can get all that data through static data

[proper wagon]

yeah again it's just the static data

but now I don't have to rely on anyone

I can just do a GET on Blabla

[rustic hornet]

good to know regardless, yeah

[proper wagon]

but yeah

0.44

huge

0.45 was a number I just made up from empirical tests

but 0.44 is the actual number

it's equal to:

maintain_fire_timing + upright_fire_timing + 0.2

where 0.2 seems to be a "universal animation lag" factor

I went into shooting range to confirm and 0.44 fit much better than 0.45

[mystic pilot]

what difference did it make

[rustic hornet]

a few extra shots

over 3 minutes

maybe 3 extra

[proper wagon]

It's a prediction between 18.1 vs 18.5 shots per 10 seconds

aka

"I need nearly a full charge to get a 19th"

vs

[rustic hornet]

oh a lot more actually

[mystic pilot]

yeah 10 sec window makes sense

[proper wagon]

"I need half charge to get a 19th"

0.44s is the added lag I added to the charge time

I originally used 0.45

After I went into shooting range, I found that 0.44 was correct

I got a 19th after half charge

which is a big difference

[mystic pilot]

wait i dont get the half charge

you mean starting bscar's burst with half charge ready?

[silver sun]

Clip RL limao

[proper wagon]

yes

[mystic pilot]

is that actually practical in gameplay

sounds like a difficult micro

[proper wagon]

not usually but it's practical for my calculator

[modern needle]

Still need vid of god moran

[proper wagon]

correct the predicted damage by 2.2%

and corrects the relative scaling of Charge Speed lines

vs crit dmg

[mystic pilot]

[cerulean patrol]

think I'll invest a bit harder into arena
should I build Rosanna or Moran first
or reroll Rapunzel

Rapu currently 1x ELE 2x chrg spd
but 0x ammo is bricked af

[rustic hornet]

#pvp-arena-discussion

will prolly guide better

but i think

rosanna over moran

[cerulean patrol]

idk if anyone has made the joke before
but Trina is just Scarlet's signature weapon

[tough bronze]

Seems like Hoyo sent a rat inside SU

[cold plover]

first pilgrim treasure item

[cerulean patrol]

yoo your profile banner is so cool

[cold plover]

thanks

[onyx gate]

can't justify giving her a treasure

so they just flat out give her a dedicated unit instead

[cerulean patrol]

what's this Scarlet favoritism lately
Trina for OG
pirates for SBS

[vapid jacinth]

people like you are the problem

no rerun = fine
rerun = oh no you ruin the game

[cerulean patrol]

bro pinged reply me and block me afterwards

damn

anyway

[maiden kestrel]

they gonna release another alt for scarlet so she never win popularity polls

[cerulean patrol]

I never said I'm against rerun
if you're going to argue against what I said
at least read

"people like you are the problem"
how can you identify the problem when you got skill checked on reading comprehension

[visual falcon]

just admit it

I'm the problem

whatchu gonna do, solve me?

[mortal venture]

So Maid Duo DD up is under damage taken bracket?

[visual falcon]

yep

never know why

[cerulean patrol]

just RL shots in 2RL time on P1 Jackal linked should push speed over 2RL?

if I'm not misinterpreting the feed charts

[lost silo]

As someone whose scarlet is too mid for PvP, what do I do with trina for now besides milking her

[cerulean patrol]

you keep milking her while building Scarlet, duh

[lost silo]

what’s her skill level recs btw

[lime marlin]

Is her buff for scarlet slash multiplicative (4000%)or additive (1300%)

[cerulean patrol]

pins

[tough bronze]

Use her as a battery

[cerulean patrol]

we technically have three 2RL comps
if don't mind getting power cucked by SR Anis

[lost silo]

Damn how good is her burst gen?

[low pine]

Clip RL.

[lost silo]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-mr-poopy-butt-hole-ooooh-weeee-gif-9826117

I’m gonna put her on my moran cindy no attacker team then

[abstract phoenix]

trina is pvp focused unit? judging by discussion she is best paired with og scarlet?
if I don't have og scarlet should I still pull?

[cerulean patrol]

she's very skippable
especially as you don't have Scarlet
Trina does enable Scarlet to be relevant again in all game modes
team3 electric raids, supercharged arena nuke

[lost silo]

I was too excited by her tits and upped her to sr5

Then I remembered I have Noah still at r0

I’m a clown

https://tenor.com/view/joker-joaquin-phoenix-pepe-the-frog-clown-cab-gif-17679076

[neon cypress]

it's fine brotha
we all clownish for head-sized tiddies

[crude blade]

OMG I did 100 pulls for Trina

[abstract phoenix]

head? her boob is like 3 times size of her head lol

[sand stream]

Nah
Its not 3 times bigger
But it is certainly bigger yes

[crude blade]

Is Trina worth building?

[sand stream]

So how exactly does her S2 work?
Does Scarlet have to be specificly on the left most side?
Or is it fine as long there are no other rifle users to the left of her, effectively making her the left most rifle user?

Ah nvm i just cant read

Tbf im a PM fan
It is demanded of me to not be able to read

[mossy karma]

btw useless fact but her name is probably based on the word "trina" which in spanish is used for "bird singing"

[onyx gate]

Nice

[mossy karma]

1multi and done lesgoooooo

[cerulean patrol]

good to know

[mossy karma]

this is for raids.... or for pvp too ??

[cerulean patrol]

just in general

S1 gives more heals

[mossy karma]

lol rip me XDD

I guess ill do 1 7 7

[flint plover]

4/4/4->4/7/7 to CP padding

[fallow swallow]

#1348936199821070407 message

that green cube is max hp cube, right? Is that really needed?

at least for Rosanna team

[tough bronze]

🗡️

[flint plover]

🗡️

[oblique vortex]

Should 2 rl with 4 quantums

Add +0,4 when use Trina instead of jackal

[fallow swallow]

Why Jackal pose 2?

[oblique vortex]

Assume it's trina

[oblique vortex]

Yup

Although swap jacksl for anis

Since jackal is kinda wasted with trina

[fallow swallow]

Why is that?

Invul?

[oblique vortex]

She gives 2s invul in the start of the fight

So as long as that team is 2rl, it shouldn't matter much

[fallow swallow]

Let's see if i can place Jackal in other team
if not, Jackal link still precious

Maybe something like this

[flint plover]

3rl emi

[fallow swallow]

Isn't Rosanna will easy to counter with another Scarlet if there's no Jackal?

[oblique vortex]

2rl Rosanna snipe is really hard to deal with iirc

[young rain]

you need jackal with rosanna btw

rosanna’s s1/s2 goes away real fast without jackal, i don’t remember which

but it’s just a feature

at this point

[fallow swallow]

Scarlet S2 really scary

[oblique vortex]

S1 purge happens at 1rl mark

And the point there is 2rl Rosanna snipe which is hard to counter

[visual falcon]

Jackal will

link 1 link 2 battery battery Jackal

this will do

[young rain]

goddamnit, i need to ol her too for cp

[cerulean patrol]

after investment
Rosanna will likely be Jackal linked
there's no point preserving her S2 Concealment by putting her P4, right?

[visual falcon]

point

[fallow swallow]

Concealment on her S1

[fallow swallow]

oh S2 too

[fallow swallow]

but you still need her S2, because fill burst gauge

[cerulean patrol]

there are two parts in her S2

I'm talking first part that makes her stealth from ST damage

[fallow swallow]

Can She nuke Nikke without her concealment? Assuming all her OL gear has Atk%

[cerulean patrol]

she only hits once if not concealed

double hit when concealment is still enabled

[young rain]

you guys think trina deserves sr5 at least or just go sr0?

[cerulean patrol]

zero "caster's" scaling

everything you do is for power padding

[fallow swallow]

Her damage buffing not related to her own stats, right? But her healing and max hp related to it.

I SR5 her for CP only

[young patio]

SR5 for the cp and damage resistance, don't go SR0 unless you really will never upgrade her doll

I have a doll at SR2 now that has eaten well over 300 blue dolls

[young rain]

yea doll mats are so ass rn, too many units who want dem doll upgraded

[fallow swallow]

Planning to Treasure Laplace only the mats get cucked by Trina

[stuck perch]

So it appears the devs weren't pleased with Scarlet having become little more than a benchmark for new DPS, so they released an entire unit dedicated to making her more busted

[fallow swallow]

Maybe
Seem old unit will buffed this way if not via treasure if they're going toward this path

[stuck perch]

I really wish they just straight-up buffed old irrelevant units instead, though

[fallow swallow]

Gotta make money somehow

[stuck perch]

Pretty sure they make a lot from skins and whatever
Not like any of the gem packs are even worth the money anyway

Besides, a support specifically dedicated to one unit? Ok, but the second DPS in your squad is left asking if she's a joke to you

[fallow swallow]

Certainly
But in the end it still gacha game

[stuck perch]

Unless they release another Electric AR DPS down the line

[onyx gate]

OG Hongbuk will get a gacha skin during 2.5 anni at this rate

[fallow swallow]

They will do this high chance

[fallow swallow]

Who's Hongbuk?

[stuck perch]

I think it's the Korean name for Scarlet

Same as her JP name being Guren

[fallow swallow]

Oh yeah localization

[stuck perch]

Yeah, because apparently the fairy tales she and Rose are from are somehow different between Europe, Japan and Korea or something

Also, referring to present!Scarlet as OG Scarlet is kinda confusing, lel

Anyway, what's up with SU's obsession with Electric?

[ripe lynx]

I think it's Hongryeon

[stuck perch]

Like, this is the single element that's gotten more love than all others combined

[stuck perch]

Actually yes

[stuck perch]

Fire and Wind got some too, but water and iron are literally just chilling there thinking about the universe

[fallow swallow]

I'm not surprised if 2.5 Anniv will be electric

[mortal venture]

Iron had its fun until 1.5 anniv

[stuck perch]

We already had Cindy, so I hope not

[fallow swallow]

Eh, we have Red Hood on 1st anniv, then 1.5 Anniv with Crown

Both Iron

[stuck perch]

I guess you could count RH, Crown and (technically) The Rapi, but I'm talking more about element-specific supports

I don't recall other elements having units like XMaiden or SAnis

[fallow swallow]

If what people said it's true that Siren will be in 2.5, maybe indeed to buff Cinderella more

[stuck perch]

It would make sense to make Grave a dedicated Cindy buffer, but for whatever reason, they didn't

[fallow swallow]

She's not live up to expectation for anniv Pilgrim

[pale idol]

So, ignoring pvp how good is trina? I know she is scarlet support, but is she better than ein now?

[fallow swallow]

Both has different role though, Ein and Trina

[pale idol]

I mean ein vs scarlet+ trina

Both scarlet and ein are electric dps, trina seems to be specific scarlet support

So, I wanna know if is worth using scarlet over ein now

Ignoring pvp shenanigans

[stuck perch]

It depends on the use case

I assume Scarlet would be better for Campaign thanks to her screenwipe

But Trina improves her boss killing ability too

[pale idol]

Isn't Cindy the best neutral boss killer?

[fallow swallow]

talking about Grave

[pale idol]

A

That, ok

[stuck perch]

It would be interesting to see Crown+Ein vs Trina+Scarlet against a boss or something like that

But I'm definitely not advanced enough to make this comparison in an endgame investment context

And I'm not pulling Trina, my gem pillow is too thin right now

[pale idol]

Same, haven't even got all the gear for my campaign team

[stuck perch]

Wut
You must be really early in the game, I guess

[fallow swallow]

I see Ein use on campaign only for Mirror Container

[cerulean patrol]

I guess Scarlet-Trina-Ein does work if you must pair SAnis with Cinderella instead of RHB1

[pale idol]

Kinda? I'm at ch 30, but mirror container is kicking my ass still

AI Mirror

[fallow swallow]

Ein will be more useful then

[cerulean patrol]

30-34? same
what sync are you now?

[stuck perch]

Oh
I guess I misunderstood what you meant by campaign squad gear

[pale idol]

244

[cerulean patrol]

oh

I'm on hard mode

[stuck perch]

AI Mirror Container would be a problem for a long time

[pale idol]

Well indo mean that. The ones I'm missing is 2 pieces on Sbs and 1 on red hood

I'm just having awful luck

And can't get past the first bar so...

I'm just hoping to get lucky eventually

[fallow swallow]

It is a wall for player
I only manage to defeat it on hard stage after reaching 521

[pale idol]

And for normal campaign?

[fallow swallow]

If you have Cinderella and Ein, i'm sure not gonna be much a problem

[pale idol]

Ok ok

[stuck perch]

Ein didn't help me with Normal Campaign MC, somehow

[pale idol]

So id really just AI Mirror I have to try to improve I guess

[fallow swallow]

Ein helping on phase 2, when she is has layer defense but Einn ignore defense

[stuck perch]

I think I just used ScarBS and RH to break the Slippers with one shot each

[pale idol]

Maybe when I get around synch 300 I'll be able to break the interception circles

[fallow swallow]

That can work too, maybe

[stuck perch]

Well, I am somehow on Chapter 34 now, so it did work

[fallow swallow]

As long it is work

[pale idol]

Is campaign mirror easier or harder than AI btw?

[fallow swallow]

Whats AI abbreviation again?

[pale idol]

Anomaly interception

[fallow swallow]

Certainly harder

[pale idol]

Me be farming gauntlets rn

[stuck perch]

Harder

[pale idol]

Uh

[fallow swallow]

Though depend on CP

[pale idol]

Damm

Xd

[stuck perch]

Because in Interception, you don't need to actually kill it

[fallow swallow]

Tbh campaign harder mostly because CP penalty

[stuck perch]

Yes, but still

[pale idol]

But I mean, in terms of just surviving, cuz rn AI Mirror always kills me in tev phase transition, I just can't break the circles

[fallow swallow]

Well it's your level the problem

[pale idol]

Around what level can I expect to have enough damage to break those circles?

[stuck perch]

You need either a good Electric DPS to break them or to enter Full Burst before the phase transition, pick your best DPS and cover everyone else

At your level, I had no issue breaking those circles with SAnis

[pale idol]

Well, my ein is 7/7/7 with maxed doll and lvl 5 overload gear, and still she can't do shit without full burst, either to the phase transition circles or the ones with ele shield

[stuck perch]

At your level, the circles with the elemental shield will take all the Electric DPS you can muster, Full Burst, maxed support like Crown, pause abuse and a fortunate alignment of circumstances to break

But the phase transition should be doable with Ein at your investment

What are the overloads on her?

Namely, total ATK and EleDMG%?

[pale idol]

1 ele and that's it

Ele line

Not good

[stuck perch]

Make sure each piece of gear has at least one desirable line

[pale idol]

Should I spam shoot or try to one shot the circles?

[stuck perch]

It doesn't take as many rocks as a 12/12 investment, but takes you part of the way to glory

[stuck perch]

I think one-shotting is the way since spam shooting risks running out of ammo

[pale idol]

Ok, I'll try

If not I guess I'll just have to wait to lvl up

[fallow swallow]

I assume you don't have Summer Anis?

[pale idol]

Nope

[fallow swallow]

No wonder it's hard

[pale idol]

Just xmaiden

But idk if she will even help

[fallow swallow]

She will, at least to break the circle

[pale idol]

Ele?

[fallow swallow]

Yeah, she electric too afterall

[pale idol]

K I'll try

[kindred rivet]

any test done?

actually works like a god?

[pale idol]

Would using Noah to cheese 1 attack be a good idea?

[stuck perch]

It's not Mother Whale

[fallow swallow]

I don't think so
It will reduce your overall damage

Maybe we should move this conversation to PVE channel

[pale idol]

Yeah

[brazen grove]

Anyone test trina with the sg team?

Cool unit can probably slot in offburst dps

Compare trina vs bunny and tiga team

[oblique vortex]

Iron solo raid where

Iron has around 1,5 good dps's,1 of them is just a fire code who they just slapped "deals ele damage to electric code units"

2nd one is rh, but she's b1 buffer nowadays

Other are drunklet tier(no Trina) or team enablers like bsida

[fallow swallow]

Where Scarlet thread

[neon cypress]

just checked we bone trina hard in bond

[rustic hornet]

she is literally the simplest unit possible

no need to make a thread for her

[flint plover]

We want her thread

[cerulean patrol]

just 4x ATK ELE MA on her and done

unless you're doing some cheeky shi with crit rate in arena and sacrifice MA/ELE

[flint plover]

Ma

Mamma

[desert fractal]

Scarlet predates research threads I think

[cerulean patrol]

that's why she the OG Scarlet

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-black-guy-gif-17915341

[fallow swallow]

Most Wanted Nikke when the game first release afterall

I wonder if Pilgrim will get a treasure, because Isabel simply bad

[mystic pilot]

make Harran great again

[fallow swallow]

By adding her old bug as a buff

[untold notch]

Crazy how Cinderella got to essentially keep it but Harran didnt

Yet another reason to hate Cinderella

[young rain]

alright chat, will noah cockblock this?
3RL vs 2 RL

[fluid halo]

the answer is yes

[fallow swallow]

I bet on no

[flint plover]

Go ahead

[fallow swallow]

But Noah and Jackal should survive, right? Because Biscuit
The rest i think will die

[delicate valley]

are my 80 pulls justified for the milk chugs milkers

[fallow swallow]

If you are PvP focused player, yes

and have Scarlet

[delicate valley]

i despise pvp

[fallow swallow]

Then why you pull?

[delicate valley]

i have a gambling addiction
for scarlet in pvp team because im above rank 30 and future AR Electric unit for pve

[fallow swallow]

It's worth the gamble

really

[delicate valley]

i hate pvp but i cant stay lower than rank 30

[fallow swallow]

it will help you to go further beyond

[delicate valley]

dont sugarcoat it

[fallow swallow]

And certainly worth for future AR Electric

[fallow swallow]

She is literally has more burst gen than Anis, and buffing Scarlet also make her invicible for 2s

[void saffron]

Siren will be AR electric.
Like how they released Rouge b4 cindy

[flint plover]

everybody into gacha games is

[flint plover]

Exactly Trina is too specific and I doubt SU decide to pull a personal scarlet buffer

[wind palm]

If by good you mean absolute crème of the crop top tier current meta then yeah, if you mean good like a normal person would define good then there's like at least 6 good to great iron DPS'es

[vapid jacinth]

there is 0 reason for shift up to make a future character specifically for trina

and when it happens for a character you shouldn't cope on it being an sss tier pilgrim

it will be a run of the mill random that just happens to work without real consideration for trina

[oblique vortex]

Only rapi and red hood, bsoda is nice is team enabler, laplacet,sw are Pierce merchants, what are other 3 dps

[wind palm]

Just because they have conditions to meet or have enabling roles doesn't mean they're not good DPS'es, if anything having secondary roles makes them better. Maxwell still does good in pierce, SW naturally, even Sugar performs well against Grave Digger.

Heck even Soline has good to great damage output if you can meet her conditions

problem is just resources to build characters

[oblique vortex]

like we get much solo raids to enable them properly

[oblique vortex]

ok that's just coping

[wind palm]

I mean you wouldn't use most of them if you got all the chars

but for people who are newer these are more than fair options for the time being

It's not like water who barely had cope options for the longest time

[modern needle]

? brid is a good water dps if you can meet her conditions if that's the logic we're going with

[oblique vortex]

It's not like you'll be able to use them on iron weak, BECAUSE THERE IS NON TO BEGIN WITH

last iron weak sr was June 2024

[primal inlet]

The memes of ShiftUp as of now:

champ arena release date

Iron weak solo raid/coop

Cafe sweety treasure skills

Feels almost like they are intentionally shitting on all three just to piss people off

[wind palm]

We haven't had normal Material H yet right?

[primal inlet]

Material H wind weak on sbs release
Material H water weak a month ago
No iron weak Mat H

[oblique vortex]

All we had was ultra, indivllia and grave digger, and last 2 were in a row

[wind palm]

I thought for sure there was an electric Mat H

[primal inlet]

Nope

23 solo raids total = 3 iron weak

Ultra, indivilia, grave digger

Electric has 6, water has 6

If they release electric siren that’s 7 electric solo raids so far

No bias here boys

[oblique vortex]

Best we can do is black snake next sr

[primal inlet]

Which is water weak

Then electric weak to hit 7 mark on both

While iron sits on 3

[wind palm]

No the O.G. Material H is Electric

It's just not been in SR

[oblique vortex]

So? Where is it?

[wind palm]

It's the first Mat H we fight in the story

Appears in tower too

or am i gaslighting myself

[oblique vortex]

Only there

There is no solo raid

[wind palm]

yeah like I said

[low pine]

Where is the answer?

[wind palm]

But that means we're bound to get normal Mat H

sometime soon right

it only took 14 Solo Raids to get Grave Digger

[oblique vortex]

Actually

We got 2 iterations of mat j

Before original

[wind palm]

yeah

[oblique vortex]

So we're cooked

[wind palm]

Iron and Fire

[cerulean patrol]

huh, didn't notice the low number of iron weak raids
I just remember going through Indivilia and Gravedigger back-to-back while not having SW

[oblique vortex]

Before those 2 all we had was ultra

[wind palm]

Yeah the Indivilia GD back to back also had me think we've had more iron weak stuff

[oblique vortex]

Iron is literally my most build element, all I didn 't fully commit on yet are sw, sugar and soline

[wind palm]

Tbf there's a lot of content that is iron weak, it's just not in SR

[cerulean patrol]

> iron most built
> no SW
real

[wind palm]

same tho

[cerulean patrol]

ngl same

[oblique vortex]

She's half baked, 1/4/7 40% ele

[wind palm]

By the time mine was built ok enough to use she was more or less phased out completely

[cerulean patrol]

I'll only start investing in Rapi when I reach the tail end of ch34 for future iron weak stages

not in a hurry at all currently

[primal inlet]

That was the SU bait all this time

Everyone thought we had lots of iron stuff cuz of the back to back raids

But in reality iron gets close to nothing

There hasn’t been a regular iron weak coop since June 2023 (last iron weak coop was event one in July 2024 and iron weak coop only appears eventually in 3 week coops if we are even lucky)

[cerulean patrol]

btw I did 70 on Trina banner
got dupes on Liter, Centi, and Rosanna
like thanks??

[cerulean patrol]

fr
at least ch35~36 is iron weak again
but how many % of players are there

[primal inlet]

Also there hasn’t been an iron banner nikke since bunny soda

Aka June 2024

[oblique vortex]

Jackal dupe and Trina in 20,only took 150 drystreak on maids and mana

[primal inlet]

The last iron nikkes were misato and rapunzel pure grace, both of which are freebie non banner nikkes

I don’t count rapi here. Her element is fire and the iron stuff is just a gimmick. It’s literally what SU uses to bait people into thinking iron has content. Release crap like the iron gimmick or iron overclock to pretend there’s “something”

While in reality there’s nothing

[wind palm]

Rapi definitely counts as Iron

[cerulean patrol]

Rapi kinda counts bc she made Ultra easy

but I see what you mean

[wind palm]

Like she's only "technically" not branded as iron but for all intents and purposes she's iron

[primal inlet]

She has iron gimmick. Her solo raid and coop were both fire. Linked to her true element

[wind palm]

she's both lol

that's the entire gimmick

[oblique vortex]

Even then, rapi and red hood, and last one might lose to Cindy on her advantage with no Pierce dip

[cerulean patrol]

electric got all the love towards the latter half of 2024
and now water and wind catching up

[primal inlet]

The iron gimmick is like I said something SU most likely did to not get flak for not releasing any iron content

[oblique vortex]

Like my, Cindy does twice to thrice more than my rh

[primal inlet]

The fact they can’t even admit that and go as far as to make something “double element” just proves it

[wind palm]

Nah that's cap. I like to flame SU too but I'm 100

% sure

that Rapi has the iron "gimmick" because that's how they wanted to design her

and she's part RH

[oblique vortex]

all I want is to use 350% worth of ele on my iron code units

[primal inlet]

They defo tied her to the lore, but I still have my doubts it was also done for this specific reason

[cerulean patrol]

I thought back then that iron gimmick was pierce
RH, SW & Mw burst, Laplace too
but low-key fire has better pierce
Alice and Asuka carrying my ass through campaign

[wind palm]

I mean I used normal Laplace for the longest time in campaign

[oblique vortex]

I still use rh as the main dps and I'm ch 28 hard

[low pine]

Thanks.

[cerulean patrol]

I used Crown SAnis Alice RH Naga before ch29

[wind palm]

This was before RH and schoolgirls ofc

[cerulean patrol]

Laplace was OG but I don't see her being better than just Modernia

only 5sec uptime on laser before treasure was ???

[wind palm]

I didn't have scarlet either. I think my go to team was like, Liter Centi Laplace Privaty Modernia

Privaty was my most used char for the first round of stats we got for anni stuff

[cerulean patrol]

day1 meta without Scarlet is that, ye

[wind palm]

got my third copy of Scarlet today when pulling for Trina, fittingly

[cerulean patrol]

bro got a bundle deal

[wind palm]

only took 30 pulls as well so I'm happy, but I got screwed over completely with Mana, Mast and Anchor so I deserve a little bit of luck

200 pulls no rate ups

[safe jewel]

just 1 copy for trina is good neough for now? or LMB

[wind palm]

Unless you're like competing top 10 in PvP I don't think LMB is necessary for any reason

[fluid halo]

pvp unit
Only 1 copy, put her on the wishlist

[fluid halo]

why didnt noah burst trigger tho?

[maiden kestrel]

2rl B3 activated even before 3rl even do B1

but cuz ther's some feed the enemy is a bit faster?

oh nvm biscuit buff on both defender

[fallow swallow]

I finally have Snow White only to her rarely used in Raid
F Shift up

If we have finally has Nikke which can Buff Scarlet, maybe we will have someone who buff Snow White too (Wait and hope)

[sullen pine]

miranda treasure is for SW ....

big cope if u want another one

[fallow swallow]

Eh, skill 2 with only Critical Rate buff is not enough
Her skill 1 even simply just bad
Miranda more like Hybrid rather than full support like Trina

[sullen pine]

[floral moth]

Have we confirmed if the burst buff is multiplicative or additive

[fallow swallow]

Multiplied

I think multiplied by five?

#1348936199821070407 message

[void saffron]

Additive with attack damage buffs

[safe jewel]

Hey did you win?

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-hot-gojo-daddy's-home-geto-suguru-gif-3409112180732725191

[wind jungle]

crit rate is not enough

bruh

[fallow swallow]

Attack Damage>>>Crit Rate

You can always malding for crit rate like old days, but not attack damage

I don't understand why they decide to make of most of her treasure buff affect self, she supposed to be support unit

[wind jungle]

yes go ahead malding crit for ALL instances of damage

[wind jungle]

so you never used her before

and dont know what her problems really are?

[fallow swallow]

I did, for Indvidia

She sit on team 5

[wind jungle]

then why you saying you can always malding for crit?

you dont know how fcking hard to mald that shit

ALL instances of crit

[wind jungle]

[fallow swallow]

??

Does Snow White raise her tier after Miranda Buff, on at least AI Ultra? If not then Crit Rate is not enough, should replace that self affect buff to other allies. Shift Up really hold Miranda potential

[wind jungle]

fastest Ultra comp

with 1 min to spare

[fallow swallow]

That's good then

[wind jungle]

I dont know why you post current OL for me

I just post this cause you said you "use" her in indivilia

[fallow swallow]

Because my Snow White already full build? Even though i don't reroll for her line anymore

I don't know what are you trying to find exactly

[wind jungle]

full build

0atk

2ele

0crit dmg

[fallow swallow]

Full build in term already have 4 OL gear and burst lv 10

That's difference to perfect build

[wind jungle]

thats minimum build...

[wet maple]

this

[weary gorge]

can we not do this shit in a discussion thread for Trina

[fallow swallow]

well if you say so

Okay
I don't know why his intention actually is by seeing my past message

[wind jungle]

When you dont know something dont act like you know everything

[fallow swallow]

okay

[wind jungle]

you barely know how to SW

[safe jewel]

[safe jewel]

👍

trina only guys

silent hill f looks amzing

[fallow swallow]

1/7/7 for Trina enought right? At least for Arena

Seem my Scarlet has no problem to wipe at least someone below my CP

[weary gorge]

following snake's pins yes

but I also wouldn't really go much further for a currently as is pvp unit

[fallow swallow]

Well i guess for CP not gonna be bad, after resetting my XAnne skill (i don't see any use of her anymore except if Champion Arena has more than 3 team)

[safe jewel]

minimal would be something like 4/7/4 i think

get skill 2 to 10 if you want, ult maybe 7 should be good enough

for final build

[fallow swallow]

I probably will
I just need to reset XAnne skill

her skill 1 maybe not really that useful for PvP, right?

[keen wasp]

50 pulls, finally I got da tree.

I feel scam...

[wintry crystal]

What's worse is we don't know the rules or action of champion arena. Just one problem to think about, how the hell are lineups decided? Like whose team 1 faces off against other's team 1? What if someone put all SGs in team 1? Trina in team 5? Etc

[sullen pine]

Im rn 140 pulls in and only got one off banner ssr

https://tenor.com/view/raiken-cat-hang-die-bitya-gif-26309780

[keen wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-8847630

[keen wasp]

1 vs 1, you would see same team everywhere
Tbh, Champion should use the ban rotation.

Each session, the most used NIKKE of previous session will get banned.

[wintry crystal]

All burst gen characters banned after 1 season

LITER WARS, GO

[keen wasp]

I mean, if 1 vs 1 and move for outer toward final, then 5 banned per session seems good.

or 10

we have enough PvP NIKKE to form more than 3 teams after all

[wintry crystal]

The problem is Nikke is heavily about countering teams right?

So it's very important to match up your counter to the enemy's lineup in sequence

So who sets the lineup first, who decides final battle if it's tied at 2-2 each, etc

[vapid jacinth]

let's first see they don't carry over the godawful cp penalty

countering teams is a luxury for players on an equal playing field

[glass summit]

I support banning charas

[fallow swallow]

If they don't carry over the cp penalty, maybe some whale will be mad

[hasty aurora]

20 pulls no Trina

[fallow swallow]

20 pulls four Trina

[keen wasp]

They did WHAT?!

SEGGS CONFIRM! GET TRINA NOW.

Prydwen's next review on Trina: "Anyway, Commander become a tree hugger."

[fallow swallow]

Poor Rapi

[wintry crystal]

It's unclear, and Miranda comes in on them and puts a blanket over them

So he very well could be referring to the primal desire to sleep

RIP

Leona's was more clear

Now that's true primal urges

[neon cypress]

they did it not just once, but twice

or more than twice

[wintry crystal]

It's left intentionally vague beyond belief and Commander was already passing out into slumber the multiple times he encountered her before the ending

You can think they engaged in passion during both fade outs, or you can think he simply fell asleep and had the best sleep ever

Miranda's attitude is the most telling

She didn't blush or be overly shocked. She just threw a blanket over them. As if she basically expected them to take an afternoon nap naked. This means Trina's ability to induce others into slumber is well known

Imo the way Trina is portrayed is that of a nudist, not a pervert

[oblique vortex]

So, no burst gen, no scarlet

[oblique vortex]

ew

[visual falcon]

just believe yourself

Commander is virgin

Rosanna just did exercise

[wintry crystal]

Commander and Bunny Soda

Bunny Soda literally sold herself to commander as bait and he took it in the end

[keen wasp]

Trina get debut
Modders the next day

Truth story btw.

😆

[oblique vortex]

Commander's switch up was peak btw

[safe jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1350093389487542333/1350195646371463200/Screen_Recording_20250315_035034_NIKKE_1.mp4?ex=67d5db2f&is=67d489af&hm=741f4473f1ec4b37a93498c2e641280ac0d1f95a5187d678a391b04664e245de&

Lost

[void saffron]

Trina died b4 she could use burst skill

[oblique vortex]

At this point, just put Rosanna on p2

[modern needle]

power of laplace

[safe jewel]

Just realized both NIKKE who love going xxxx are both B2

Can’t make a team that undress themselves while they burst like sailor moon

[flint plover]

Why not 2RL scarlet instead?

Rosanna kinda useless when no jackal link and his Blanc will resist till burst cuz biscuit

[tough bronze]

coping for a rotational ban list

[tough bronze]

Problem here is that crit rate buff from s1 would go poof

But eh, it's CR

guess p2 can work

[visual falcon]

Scarlet Rosanna Trina Jackal Centi. Put it like this. Your Rosanna has Jackal link, although it looks quite overkilled to me. Can replace Rosanna with HelmT or Rumani whatever

[maiden kestrel]

can built rosanna kill supporter or defender usually? including concealment still active

[visual falcon]

my Scar with 250% ammo, 7% atk
vs
25% ATK Sanis + 34% ATK XMaiden on neutral ele

I do feel like with 15% ATK more on Scarlet + higher skill level on Trina (4/7/4) currently, my Scarlet Trina should be better than Maiden

but let's replace Crown with Mari

lacking Crown hurts

yeah, without Crown, the best comp is actually Cindy Rouge Scarlet Sanis Trina for me

[flint plover]

[visual falcon]

Oh I forgot, Scarlet is only viable on core boss

without Core, Sanis and XMaiden should shit on her

[sullen pine]

From shitlet to midlet

[oblique vortex]

Doesn't scar have a problem with fire hits?

Even with Trina?

[visual falcon]

at max S2, she should molest core like 50%

[wintry crystal]

Flowchart of Mari vs Trina when heals aren't a must:

• When Scarlet's in team.
  • Trina wins.
• When a B3 carry with "Burst Skill Damage" that "Affects all enemies" is massively buffed by Trina.
  • Trina wins.
• Mari wins.

Yeah. This is basically damage boosting in pve

Mari buffs harder than Trina unless Trina satisfies either condition

[vapid jacinth]

scarlet has the second condition it's not like you use scarlet as a b3 flex that doesn't burst

[wintry crystal]

Yes, it's meant to be a flow chart. I tried to convey it You stop at the first win you encounter

[rustic hornet]

Mari is better

I'm pretty sure

Trina scar < Mari xMaiden/Anis

But they're like pretty close

Also maiden is limited

Mari is limited

Better yet

Anis
is
limited

[rustic hornet]

Also wdym by anis+maiden bruh

It's either you use s.anis+B2 or maiden + b2

Since scarlet is replacing only one of them

[primal inlet]

@rustic hornet Trina burst dmg buff affects all allies

In theory you could use her with shotgun team copium

[rustic hornet]

Yes, but is it really that good

Bsoda
628.7%×4.356 = 3367%

MPriv
1066.66% × 4.356 = 5713%

Noir
351.64% × 4.356 = 1883%

For mpriv it can be something

With bsoda offburst I can maybe see it

Tove Trina MPriv Scarlet BSoda

[oblique vortex]

Isn't it 5,356?

[rustic hornet]

Oh yeah

Forgot it's attack damage

[oblique vortex]

sadly it doesn't affect drake

[wintry crystal]

A villain doesn't accept help from nature!

[rustic hornet]

For mpriv it's serious for others it's meh

So I still only see it being used for electric weak

[oblique vortex]

Nah, bsoda will lose her s2 damage, so ig mpriv wil be offburst or just use drake to buff bsoda

[primal inlet]

Question is if scarlet can outdmg mpriv in a tove Trina team then you can technically drop mpriv in any non electric ele solo raid

[rustic hornet]

Yes scarlet will out damage

mPriv alrdy out in neutral element, no?

Why would she be used

[primal inlet]

And use tove Trina bsoda scarlet filler (guilty drake viper sugar)

Technically can even leave scarlet off burst

[rustic hornet]

If there's Trina involved leaving scar off burst over Bsoda makes less sense

[wintry crystal]

I don't understand the depths we're going that we're contemplating putting Scarlet in Tove's team

[rustic hornet]

Cuz scar burst scales a lot with the 115% attack damage buff

[oblique vortex]

Trina will buff sg team a bit, scar will outdmg mpriv

[rustic hornet]

Well we can just test it right now

[oblique vortex]

[rustic hornet]

Someone run it

With the free trina

[primal inlet]

@sick oriole

I’m lazy af rn Alex do it for me pls

[oblique vortex]

I have minimal invest

[rustic hornet]

Juratus

[wintry crystal]

I can log in and run Union Shooting Range but what are the requirements for an acceptable test?

[oblique vortex]

Which team tho again

[primal inlet]

Think I have 40% ele scarlet

[oblique vortex]

17%

[primal inlet]

And 60% ele 35% atk mpriv

[sick oriole]

I only test smth with SW

[primal inlet]

Test it non electric see dmg diff?

[oblique vortex]

ofc you do

[primal inlet]

Guess imma do it

[sick oriole]

[wintry crystal]

Cheers for Helios!

[primal inlet]

What’s your SW stats anyway shino

[sick oriole]

4atk 4ele 3cdmg 1cs

Not high value

[rustic hornet]

Tove Leona MPriv BSoda Noir
Vs
Tove Trina(free) MPriv Scarlet Noir

Try this

[oblique vortex]

Was it worth it in a long run?

[wintry crystal]

Even with this kind of Scarlet?

[rustic hornet]

Do against neutral ele

Like water weak

[wintry crystal]

Okay

[primal inlet]

Do you even need cdmg on SW anymore with Miranda T

You get like 70-80% crit dmg buff from s2 and burst

[rustic hornet]

Crit damage

There is no other buff to damage bruh

[oblique vortex]

That's crit chance iirc

[rustic hornet]

My god

[primal inlet]

You get both

S2 gives cdmg too

10/10 is like 80% cdmg iirc

[rustic hornet]

We don't need crit rate anymore

[wintry crystal]

That's not Snow White.

That's Snow Boom

[primal inlet]

Bro

Miranda gives crit dmg in s2 too

[wintry crystal]

Starting test of Tove Leona MPriv BSoda Noir team

[rustic hornet]

Ok but there is literally only one other line that gives a damage boost, and it's crit damage

[oblique vortex]

Tell me what is the other way to buff her damage now that 4 atk and 4 ele are already here

[rustic hornet]

Charge damage isn't gonna do shit

Sure it's diluted but it's really just cdamage that is increasing dps

[primal inlet]

Oh you mean what else to put in SW outside of atk and ele?

[rustic hornet]

Yes

[sick oriole]

4atk not 40+

[primal inlet]

Crit dmg

[sick oriole]

And 1 low Cdmg

[primal inlet]

Miranda literally covers everything

[sick oriole]

I'm saving to fix those value anw

[primal inlet]

Extra crit dmg fine but doesn’t it diminish anyway

[rustic hornet]

What if they release iron duo

Hansel and gretel

[primal inlet]

So like SW isn’t heavily nerfed in dmg if you lack cdmg lines

[primal inlet]

Bro

[sick oriole]

2.5 not gonna be 2 gacha units

[sick oriole]

It's a big difference

[wintry crystal]

She is not heavily nerfed only if critting was difficult and too maldy. Miranda treasure makes it reliable

[sick oriole]

I did 1.75b on first shot on Ultra AI

[primal inlet]

can’t be so sure with how SU keeps dishing double banners for solo raids lately

[wintry crystal]

So CDMG absence will mean major dmg loss, right?

[sick oriole]

For SW you must have 4 cdmg now

If you want to compete

[primal inlet]

My current sw stats are sth like 60 ele 22 atk 9 cdmg

[sick oriole]

Charge dmg charge spd is not gonna do shit anymore

[primal inlet]

Anyway gonna test sg Trina copium

Be back in a few

[sick oriole]

My friend has 0 crt dmg SW, I can do a comparison if you want

[wintry crystal]

Another way to look at it is if you hate CDMG, then you think about benching Miranda to validate your OLs

[rustic hornet]

2.5 not gonna be iron either

[sick oriole]

April or May

[rustic hornet]

They finna push iron to 2026 fr

[sick oriole]

Both are fine

April Black Snake then it's beautiful

1 more month saving

I have 150 rocks now

[visual falcon]

I tried to direct compare all variables

[wintry crystal]

Tove Leona MPriv BSoda Noir team vs Fire-weak boss shooting range

[primal inlet]

Sure

[keen wasp]

Shinonono is rock hard I see.

[wintry crystal]

Starting on Tove Trina(free) MPriv Scarlet Noir test

[primal inlet]

Dude please

[visual falcon]

For ex

Cindy rouge scar crown trina

Cindy rouge sanis crown maiden

Cindy rouge sanis mari maiden

Cindy rouge scarlet mari trina

Cindy rouge scar trina sanis

Cindy rouge scar mari maiden

Surprisingly, without crown, the best variation for me is the scar sanis trina

And sanis as burst only has a little bit lower

[oblique vortex]

Even with grave

?

[visual falcon]

It is because although your cindy deals less dmg, your scarlet constantly dishes out strong dps every burst which can make up for it

[sick oriole]

But why r guys testing on Scarlet

[visual falcon]

I didnt test grave

Because it is our job, writing review no?

Mathematically, replacing mari with grave means you just increases the multi buff

[oblique vortex]

we are mentally deficient

[visual falcon]

As long as i keep playing the same, result will stay in same ratio

[rustic hornet]

Why not

[wintry crystal]

Tove Trina(free) MPriv Scarlet Noir vs Fire-weak boss shooting range

[rustic hornet]

The thread purpose is to test trina

[wintry crystal]

[rustic hornet]

Wtf

[sick oriole]

Isnt she just PvP unit

[wintry crystal]

@rustic hornet Tests finished

[rustic hornet]

She's 1000% team 5 electric raids

[sick oriole]

Then there's gonna be better electric DPS in next Electric Weak

[rustic hornet]

Yes but we are judging how well Trina can buff non scarlet units

[wintry crystal]

Well, Scarlet will definitely outdmg Bunny Soda when Elemental Damage is involved

[rustic hornet]

Oh ok yeah mPriv loses some decent damage

[rustic hornet]

I mean equalling Leona damage is pretty much sad

[wintry crystal]

So maid Privaty and Scarlet in "SG team" wasn't farfetched but you guys, won't this mean we just replace Tove at this point?

[rustic hornet]

I used Leona cuz I thought Trina would beat Leona decently

Or well I recommended leona

[wintry crystal]

Then Scarlet bursts more often, bigger profits

[sick oriole]

You sure all in Scarlet will be better than 3 DPS in SG comp ?

Mpriv ele avd, BSoda and Drake

[wintry crystal]

Like replace Tove with Volume, gg?

[rustic hornet]

Cindy maiden
SAnis Ein
Electric SG
Scarlet

There's still 1 more team open even after Trina+scarlet

[sick oriole]

Ofc SW

What r u thinking

[visual falcon]

Guillotine

[rustic hornet]

[visual falcon]

Dragon

[primal inlet]

Test kinda busted no?

[visual falcon]

Of

The

[primal inlet]

You didn’t slot scarlet leftmost

[visual falcon]

Deeppppp

No need

[oblique vortex]

She is still only electric ar

So it works regardless

[visual falcon]

As long as scar is only electric ar

She always gains the buff

[wintry crystal]

If my Scarlet kicked that much ass without Trina buffs, I'd be banned for hacking

[rustic hornet]

She is definitely getting buffed xD don't worry

[primal inlet]

Wind weak range 1. Scarlet off burst 2. Scarlet burst 3. Standard sg 4. Noir instead mpriv

T4 highest dmg t3 second highest

[oblique vortex]

So that's how that 17b damage guy 2 solo raids ago did it

[primal inlet]

Scarlet off burst does almost same dmg as scarlet with burst

[rustic hornet]

Run 3 minutes

[primal inlet]

I’m lazy bro

[visual falcon]

Each scar burst gives me 100m dmg so 600 total for me

Over 2.2b on crown rouge

Which is okay

[primal inlet]

Besides you said iron finna get pushed to 2026 so I’m cba running it

[visual falcon]

1/3 of final dmg instead of 5% like before

[primal inlet]

Scarlet trina seems like a good slot for shotgun teams if Trina can do decent heals

[wintry crystal]

It's already shown that there won't be a need for it unless you really have to

There's room for 4 electric teams, which means room for one SG comp including Tove and Maid Privaty

They're one of the 4 teams

Scarlet + Trina is another of the 4 teams

[oblique vortex]

It was stated in CFYOW

[primal inlet]

FYI scarlet 0% atk mpriv 35% atk

[wintry crystal]

So going with Scarlet + Trina in Tove's team is kind of like cannibalizing Tove's hard-earned meaning for existing

[oblique vortex]

she just should try to exist harder

[primal inlet]

Nah you can use scarlet off burst and tove still buffs the 2 shotguns you’ll have in your team

As it’s visible in the scarlet Trina vs standard blanc noir pic above, scarlet + Trina can actually outdmg traditional shotgun setups

Like blanc + noir

[wintry crystal]

But if they were in another team, they (Scarlet + Trina) could get an actual B1 CDR to help

[visual falcon]

Or drake

[flint plover]

This makes me think, in a raid without core where you're forced to use a healer, which is better, tiga+SG or Mari balice+SG?

[visual falcon]

She was a bait i knew it

[primal inlet]

Technically scarlet doesn’t need b1 Cdr. unless you want more Trina buffs with the Cdr

But if an off burst scarlet can match a bursting shotgun dps or deal at least half of the sg damage

Then you have another iteration of rapi b1

[wintry crystal]

Rapi Hood
Rouge
D Wife
Liter
Volume

We have enough B1 CDRs for all five teams

[primal inlet]

Just not as a b1 or Cdr

[visual falcon]

Doro

[primal inlet]

If electric tiga wins naga can deal too much

[wintry crystal]

What Scarlet gains from B1 CDR with Trina:

This fires more often
Activates when using Burst Skill. Affects 1 Electric Code ally unit(s) with rifles on the leftmost side of the squad.
Attack Damage ▲ 94.15% for 10 sec.
Reloading Speed ▲ 50.82% for 10 sec.

This fires more often
■ Affects all allies.
Max HP ▲ 20.14% of the caster's Max HP without restoring HP for 10 sec.
Attack Damage ▲ 20.9% for 10 sec.

[primal inlet]

Non electric dunno tbh I wouldn’t slot Mari + BAlice with a sg

[wintry crystal]

So I don't see why we're avoiding sticking a B1 CDR with the Scarlet & Trina newfound duo

If Electric-weak raiding

[primal inlet]

My example for scarlet Trina with SG is for neutral element raids

Not electric weak ones

You free up blanc noir for another team

And you can slot in more dps in your shotgun team

[wintry crystal]

Hmmm. If it's Iron-weak, this is out.

If it's Electric-weak, this is also out.

If it's Water-weak...? Works.

If it's Wind-weak...? Possibly out since you'd put in Noir?

If it's Fire-weak... Drake?

[primal inlet]

Water weak - viper filler

Wind weak guilty

Guilty will stack scarlets atk

Fire weak drake

[wintry crystal]

Isn't Guilty only taking caster's atk not final atk?

[primal inlet]

Iron weak you can use sugar with bsoda

Lemme check

[flint plover]

Sugar sheningans

[primal inlet]

Wording too vague

Duplicate X of ally with the highest atk

Doesn’t say caster or final atk

[oblique vortex]

Scarlett's base atk

If she's highest

[primal inlet]

Oh well. Guilty still hits very hard even if it’s base atk

[wintry crystal]

Yep, though this means we've eliminated the incentive for putting Scarlet in Wind SGs

So really, it's only Water-weak and maybe Fire-weak that Scarlet can squeeze into

[primal inlet]

Can’t say eliminated for sure. If scarlet can match or outdps noir in wind SG you can clearly drop noir blanc for guilty

[wintry crystal]

Well, that can happen. Not everyone has 100% ele dmg Noir

[primal inlet]

You’re looking at the benefit of having high off burst dmg b3 slotted

[wintry crystal]

So it makes sense

With that angle, it means Water, Wind, Fire are all possible for Scarlet & Trina to squeeze into

[primal inlet]

Which is actually the idea behind scarlet being used in sg comps in non electric weak raids

[wintry crystal]

While if it's Electric, she's better in a separate team, and if it's Iron, there's no room for Scarlet & Trina in Tove's team

[primal inlet]

Why do you think there’s no room for scarlet and Trina in iron team

[wintry crystal]

Nah, just realized that the same idea still applies. If only B Soda was invested, there's room

[primal inlet]

Scarlet Trina tove soda sugar

Soda sugar main bursting

[wintry crystal]

Oh, Scarlet not bursting

Forgot that

[flint plover]

What are you cooking, P5 electric raid?

[wintry crystal]

Okay, you have me convinced. I'll probably use Scarlet & Trina in SG teams and move Blanc & Noir elsewhere while it's not Electric-weak

[primal inlet]

Non electric new SG meta

[oblique vortex]

I still will try to use scarlet with Trina CDR on electric weak

[wintry crystal]

Yep

What B1 is best with Scarlet & Trina then? Volume?

[oblique vortex]

Just like ppl did it with rapi and full fire Eva team on modernia

[oblique vortex]

Maybe

[primal inlet]

Most likely volume

[wintry crystal]

Why not Liter? She does jack up Scarlet's burst, right?

[primal inlet]

Since she’s overstocked with atk buffs and Trina keeps her max hp threshold for the crit buff

Also I was wondering

Rapi is fire right?

If technically you play iron weak raid with rapi and asuka 1

Does rapi do higher core dmg to iron weak

[wintry crystal]

What about Miranda treasure? Can Scarlet & Trina kidnap her from Snow White?

[primal inlet]

Since asuka buffs fire units anyway and rapi is fire

[wintry crystal]

Yes that's how she was used before

There's been Asuka offburst team with Rapi Hood as B3 carry

Already happened, works

[primal inlet]

Good. Gonna be cooking some iron teams for the next iron weak solo raid in 2026

[oblique vortex]

I already imagined rapi Asuka rei team on iron weak

[wintry crystal]

Miranda treasure affecting Scarlet:

Entering Full Burst
Removed because only affects 1 round, useless on Scarlet

Burst
■ Affects 2 ally unit(s) with the highest ATK (except caster; including the caster if there are not enough allies).
ATK ▲ 40.4% for 10 sec.
Critical Damage ▲ 56.23% for 10 sec.

[oblique vortex]

Definetely worse

[primal inlet]

Youll need a Cdr unit

So dolla or shelm or volume

If you want to run Miranda

This cuts you down to 2 b3s

What other b3 you plan to use with scarlet that could benefit from the crit dmg

Maxwell?

[wintry crystal]

Who knows? Even Red Hood was benched in some raids

Maybe Siren or whoever the new half-anniv Pilgrim is

[primal inlet]

[oblique vortex]

can't bench her cuz she's my most well built unit

[warped briar]

For someone who's not invested anything in scarlet and only cares about solo raid.. she's just not worth it right? My mats went to maids (good investment imo) and siren will surely be broken and need resources.. I think there is only 2 nikkes to be released before half anni right?

[flint plover]

If you care solo raid then you prolly have to pull

I mean for 3% maybe yeah you can skip her

[rustic hornet]

If you care about electric weak boss solo raids specifically

Then Trina and scarlet both are relevant

If you are not investing into scarlet in the first place, or don't have scarlet, and don't care about PvP, why in the world would you pull for trina

What Trina is, to me, is a unit to replace Mari for mari-less players, and future Mari-less players

[wintry crystal]

Well, my SG team was so so invested... bad OLs but somewhat passable. Like B Soda has 85%+ ele dmg but no atk% effects. No dolls.

By replacing B Soda, Scarlet & Trina gained heals and did almost the same damage as a team with Leona. Neutral element fight...

[modern needle]

can't wait for ppl that "don't care for pvp" when champ arena in 2030 gonna give us a ton of rewards

[wintry crystal]

So obviously if it's Electric-weak raid, without additional units to change the dynamics, Trina is a must pull to enable Scarlet to shine if you're competitive

[rustic hornet]

Agreed

2031 maybe though they'll be lying in Dev notes again in 2030

Don't you love it when a multi million dollar company just lies to you?

[modern needle]

the sad part is, the longer it takes to arrive, the more likely it has better rewards, since the resource trickle slowly increases over the years

[rustic hornet]

I havent ever been faked like that even in rocket league ngl

[keen wasp]

Prydwen, I have a request: can you use avatar of a Birch tree for Trina in the upcoming review?

[rustic hornet]

No

But I can add a birch tree

[keen wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-6163789505474400991

[rustic hornet]

From minecraft

In the review

[wintry crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/jean-baptiste-show-ibonek-twitch-streamer-tree-slide-down-gif-17073148

[rustic hornet]

Reminds me we need to finish that review

[modern needle]

if only there was a way to reliably trigger rapu stun

[wintry crystal]

Introduce Rapunzel to Mihara and Rapunzel will learn ways

[keen wasp]

Every NIKKE's avatar on prydwen: Normal
Isabel's avatar: Horny heart eyes

[modern needle]

tia also horny/blushing

[visual falcon]

normal

[keen wasp]

What do you mean? Rap's avatar is normal.

Dum dum non-lore reader.

[visual falcon]

then Isa is normal too

stoopid lah

hm time to request Ark change this to dumplace

[keen wasp]

Why not use icon of treasure's item as avatar?

and keep the name Laplace (treasure)

[void saffron]

Isnt champ just for like the top% and everyone else just places bets on them?

[vapid jacinth]

that was leaked info from 2 years ago

we don't actually know how it will turn out

top % of sp pvp arena wouldn't work in today's nikke economy either because of how grouping works

somebody could be level 500+ playing for years but not make it because they are fighting against a few ridiculous whales meanwhile in another group a bunch of new players who aren't even level 200 yet stand on top of their sp pvp arena group

[wintry crystal]

And subgrouping is worse because some will get lucky, others not. Truly cursed

I saw a guy 100 synchro levels below me preparing for pvp. All of his units actually equal the power of my casual pvp teams. That means if he and I were forced to level 400, he'd obliterate me

But he's in an ark server at least 10 numbers ahead of me, like server 20 vs server 30

Will I be trapped with him in Champion Arena, or not, and what if I'm stuck with people that's on server 1

[flint plover]

last devs notes

top ranking, in few words challengers

[plain parrot]

not necessarily, could be top 50-250

[sullen pine]

So CA after this banner end?

[young rain]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[keen wasp]

Next devs notes:
Champion Arena: March 2050 (sorry, we forgot a typo in previous notes)

[keen wasp]

Trina design to buff Scarlet
Pilgrim's tower: "No treespassing."

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-and-friends-thomas-angry-mad-not-happy-gif-9353522267382470172

[wintry crystal]

Same with all Abnormals and the manu towers

RIP the W Asuka with 10/10/10 and superb OLs

[oblique vortex]

imagine bricking urself by lvl10 s2

[thorny sleet]

Well...you can bring sin for some reason on missilis tower

[silent roost]

I pulled her by accident

[keen wasp]

yeah right...

[maiden kestrel]

I gotta paste this here cuz this comp is possible with trina scar

2/5 chance to stun the right target with Soda's B1

[sullen pine]

Should be higher than 2/5 chance coz in this (and most) case(s) it can be noah or jackal

[maiden kestrel]

jackal will burst at the same time as soda in case both teams are 2rl so kinda have to cut the burst 2 instead

[sullen pine]

With scar jackal it is always kinda rng who burst first, it is almost never at the same time iirc

[wintry crystal]

Imagine Champion Arena turning on whether Soda stuns the right enemy