#[Mana] New Unit Megathread

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harsh junco
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Only S2 needs 10 for SBS

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4/10/7-10 should be good enough

mighty breach
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aight 7 10 7 then

wanton pumice
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i'd say hold off any investments especially if skill mat stash is running dry

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unless you really need that comfortable s7 kraken

mighty breach
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im day1 but skipped sakura

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so mana is perfect for afk interception

austere bridge
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This looks like a good support for sba

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Sbs

gritty ice
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Just 1/7/1 Mana
1/10/1 if u want to squeeze extra dps for sbs
Put 4 rocks on Mana to test initial rolls, if they look mighty fine for dps
Go 7/10/7 and maybe 10/10/10 if she is hot

cloud vessel
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When you guys talking about Auto Kraken AI, does it mean just let skill auto burst and manually aim at core?

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or basically afk the whole thing?

gritty ice
cloud vessel
final wigeon
gritty ice
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No Rhb1

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No rapipi

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Or
Crown-SBS-Rapipi-Rhb1-deife but its worse

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This one has a failsafe too

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In case your finger is slow and 1 dies

final wigeon
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Rh as b3?

gritty ice
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This script spawn 3 balls at beginning with 2 elites then at the end of burst 1 it will spawn 2 more balls and boss

cloud vessel
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You should use Rapipi B1, she lower HP of mobs, and SBS kill them faster => more dps

gritty ice
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If i ise rapipi she will be b3

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Her aoe sometime trigger the balls

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Dont like it when it doesnt kill as b1

cloud vessel
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Alice

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burst, half charge can already do the job

final wigeon
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Damn

gritty ice
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Alice burst could work if you quickly tap them

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Most of time its better for them to be cleaved by off burst sbs

cloud vessel
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yeah but trust me, many stages, you don't have enough sbs for that

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either sbs to kill trash mobs, or kill volleyballs

sonic token
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yeah, 33 and 34 volleyball is mostly just timing SBS burst to clear them

gritty ice
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So you have 2 options to pair with sbs to maximize her there
Alice or
Mana
If not pairing with them and you have balls problem, Ein, Rapipi also other good b3

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Only Alice and Mana can help sbs cleave when she off burst

gritty ice
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And mana comes with a failsafe, so…another option just in case your initial overloads on her look good

cloud vessel
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The stage is a definition of 'I love bombs"

gritty ice
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Some of these stages reappear in tower if you want to retry RougeStare

simple forum
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goddd mana is making me bricked up everytime

bright anvil
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How’s the need/want worth of her at this time?

half verge
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I had the opportunity to experience Mana revive when Noir died quite clearly vs Kraken

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It's literally instant and sudden.. game yanked my currently selected character over to somebody else (Mana, so went left of the dead character) and I was confused as hell because Noir looked alive and still shooting (because Mana had just as instantly revived her)

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Took me a few seconds to realize what happened

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So it works in PvE, I guess, just real abrupt if you're controlling the Nikke at the time (but that's the same as a sudden death anyway)

harsh junco
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My eyes were fixed somewhere else worryThighs

gritty ice
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Her burst even create a whole window crashing onto the target

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Quite attention to detail, definitely not filler WorryJanitor

gritty ice
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full auto

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700ml left need to fix mana and sbs atk line

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on pc only KEKpat

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wait i should not let noah burst

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its her damage taken s1 helps me survive (turned out worse). Also realized i cucked sbs with noah

obtuse summit
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Managed to reach s7 with this method (full auto except ele shield qte) on mobile lol
Altho its not consistent

remote storm
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mana's burst gen is trash tier

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no random death and stuff

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for now u can manual element qte if u get one shot

remote storm
neon reef
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How good is separating Alice and SBS in raids actually? It doesn't seem that great outside of fire and wind weak raids

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Actually only seems really relevant in fire weak

deft geyser
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You can move Alice to a pierce dedicated team with Mari or Grave and another pierce B3

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That's probably the #1 benefit

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In wind weak it'll be good because Mana deals decent damage / is fairly garbage without SBS

In fire weak it'll be good because can give Alice a dedicated pierce team which isn't wasted on SBS.

Outside those two yeah no point I think

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Core damage too, e.g. from JKs, good for Alice but not so much for SBS

neon reef
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It still means you can run Alice with Grave/Mari in any element but the benefits are smaller than in relevant elements

deft geyser
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In other elements I think Mana's damage just won't be enough

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E.g. against water, Alice/SBS combo is valid because both do strong neutral damage

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Mana's neutral is......

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Dwife also a support who Alice likes but SBS doesn't

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Mana frees Alice from her duty as SBS support to become a pure DPS again

drifting flicker
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i really love Mana
I want MLB her, but with collab so close...

hexed trout
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do it

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fuck the collab

drifting flicker
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Can't skip it when they're limited and probably Meta for Raid

livid coral
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After asuka pierce core hit 100% and core dmg buff... Yes

obtuse summit
harsh junco
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@final wigeon pin this if possible

final wigeon
final wigeon
harsh junco
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Oh I thought I didn't here

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Ok I do , noticed

final wigeon
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Maids have extensive perms in this channel

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You can delete edit posts as well

harsh junco
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That video should answer 90% of the questions mana gets

final wigeon
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They were initially *maid-for-*this channel

oak robin
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Hi

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Who has that metal sigma logo

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The diagram

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@final wigeon can u ask the guy if we can use it

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Mobile phone cannot search

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Im bricked

final wigeon
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@oak robin

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This?

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What the hell is metal sigma

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It's probably this

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Cnydo can we use your image for prydwen

nimble jackal
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ie her skill 2

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Maybe @oak robin means this?

oak robin
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@spice flume may we

spice flume
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Hail Microsoft paint

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You guys should make a cleaner version pic tho

spice flume
oak robin
harsh junco
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Graphic design is my passion EZ

rich lintel
craggy portal
spice flume
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Nah turn on your adobe illustrator

spice flume
rich lintel
spice flume
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Ig draw 3 hexagons then erase each part is the most clean way

rich lintel
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All right 🫡

oak robin
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Snake isnt physics degree btw

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confirmed

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he doesnt know what is metal sigma

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one major down

harsh junco
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I will try to do something once I am home

rich lintel
strong anvil
rich lintel
harsh junco
rich lintel
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Oh wait

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The ơ symbol isn't there! wahahaha

rich lintel
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All right this one has the correct word on the Metal ơ instead of the duplicated CS Buff text.

white quiver
half verge
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Brain overloading

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I only have the capacity to observe jiggles in motion

merry compass
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I'm surprised we need to go through this much effort to explain this

final wigeon
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Yeah you're right

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Wait no

livid coral
final wigeon
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Mana shouldn't have sigma buff during her own burst

spice flume
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Ah yeah

final wigeon
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It's correct

livid coral
final wigeon
livid coral
spice flume
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Where's the flowchart

livid coral
spice flume
wanton pumice
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wait, I thought the cs buff isn't tied to metal-sigma

gritty ice
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dumb ape

wanton pumice
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then why add it to that flowchart thingy

gritty ice
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cuz it only happen when full burst

final wigeon
final wigeon
rich lintel
oak robin
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I blame cnydo

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@spice flume remove the green

rich lintel
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😭

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All right which color?

oak robin
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Smh the design is worse than cnydo's

gritty ice
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actually

rich lintel
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OMG

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All right it looks better

final wigeon
rich lintel
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Going to delete the one above

final wigeon
oak robin
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I hope ure not an art student Kelvin

rich lintel
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Well actually...

oak robin
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If ur lecturer sees this...

rich lintel
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Nah I was taught various programs during my bachelor, but I didn't specialize in these ones.
I just have them thanks to my student account currently.

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But yeah I should be ashamed of myself. Sadge

oak robin
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So ure Masters now?

rich lintel
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Indeed

oak robin
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What major

rich lintel
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Programing, don't ask me how it's going. hmmz

oak robin
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Hows it going

rich lintel
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I'll be telling you another time.

oak robin
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I didnt know programmers type so slowly

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Shud be the fastest typers

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Smh

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120wpm

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At least if on pc

drifting flicker
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Not only more comfortable than using Alice, maybe it can surpass her team if my Mana already full build (Only head with OL Gear, 4/7/4)

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Using Alice team max 3.6 or 3.5 for me

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Finally, no need to click click with Alice everyday

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Hmm i feel like now Shift Up doing hoyoverse move

half verge
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I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I hope you mean they're releasing a turn based RPG of Nikke KEKS

drifting flicker
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I mean, they're always creating a problem in their game mechanic. Then offering solution to that mechanic by releasing new character to make the gameplay more comfortable.

half verge
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Most of them do that, it just varies by how egregiously obvious it is

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Like a boss battle where if you didn't bring wind element and RL, you can't win - all other elements and weapon types perform poorly

half verge
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I don't think such a fight actually exists, but it's an example of how they can do it in Nikke deadge

drifting flicker
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Yeah, but Genshin infamous for that with their locked QoL behind gacha character

half verge
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Wind-weak Volleyballs deadge

drifting flicker
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Shift up right now too move toward that path, with like you mentioned

half verge
drifting flicker
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Well at least Nikke is a competitive game, so maybe it's kind of "acceptable" they do that (beside, you guarantee to get Meta character with how much currency they gave)
The last time i pay for this game is like when Half anniv with Dorothy, and i only missing these 3.

wanton pumice
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and then with shotgun team

drifting flicker
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I know

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I just realize this after comfortably using Mana for Kraken XD

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Lol, even though i struggle in Solo Raid without Rouge back then

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Gacha game being gacha game i guess, no wonder some people refuse to touch it

half verge
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Yeah because it's a predator developer approach to satisfying the players, I mean many knew it though maybe it wasn't spelled out

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It's an additional element to making good games, there is now an element of "how do we milk more money out of the players once they're hooked on the game?"

drifting flicker
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Champion Arena, here we go

spice flume
gritty ice
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same damage with naga

woven ivy
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That's not same damage thonk

wanton pumice
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4.5 = 4.6

gritty ice
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^

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LISTEN SAME DAMAGE

wanton pumice
woven ivy
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It's 4.62 and 4.49 Riuglare

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And I bet your Noir is weak

gritty ice
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HOW DARE U

woven ivy
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cuz that's bad damage

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Imagine getting sub-500 mil sadsimp

gritty ice
wanton pumice
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spending rocks on a unit 1 meter away from bench

woven ivy
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lol, people said that when Rouge came out

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Noir still strong kekYep

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Noir used more than X Lud and Modernia sip

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And S Anis

wanton pumice
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as a support kanye

woven ivy
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A support that's still an Attacker KEKL

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If you're malding for highest possible damage, she's part of that heh

gritty ice
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If only there is a huge meat bag in front of her

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I need to ol her shoe, maybe a whole set atk ed ammo there

gritty ice
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sbs added roughly 150ml

wanton pumice
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ss for pvp?

spice flume
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@oak robin why don't you use kelvinpizza's pic

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I think mine is wrong because metal sigma disappears when fb

final wigeon
livid coral
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pvp?

final wigeon
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Why are you guys so confused on pvp

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She's literally reviving units

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It's not like xAnne and Rapunzel are placed D tier

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Mana doesn't even need to burst

spice flume
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Burst gen + revive + cs buff

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Sounds very strong in pvp

livid coral
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Ohhh the resurrection

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It make sense

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K k

drifting flicker
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Of course, my wife must be very strong

cloud vessel
spice flume
final wigeon
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Damn

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Well it is what it is

cloud vessel
cloud vessel
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so I can't LMB

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MLB

spice flume
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Rip

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Surely you have enough for collab

mint oyster
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put her in the wishlist later on

cloud vessel
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yeah, she is my waifu

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but somehow I got Crown dupe

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and only got Mana after 100 pulls

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scam

spice flume
cloud vessel
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Because well, when you work in IT, want to go home soon and suddenly an error pop up.

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It scare the shit out of you.

merry compass
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funny revive bug is back

half verge
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Long live lazy Kraken teams! poggies

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I was more confident this time and allowed Kraken to slap me around. I was rewarded with ez brainless phase 7 Kraken and 4 rocks

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No skills past 7, no OLs, only 0LB, and still had 35 seconds to spare

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Maybe I should just freeze Mana there and see what happens in raiding scene

true vault
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is that auto?

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or were you doing rings

half verge
# true vault is that auto?

Autolike manual. What I did:
Turned off auto
Control Noir
Press stylus on Kraken’s head (with aim assist) and wait
The three QTE rings appeared along with code barrier, I casually destroyed 2 and waited for third to be 25% remaining duration. Then destroyed it as well.
Resume pressing stylus on Kraken’s head.
Reach phase 7 and commit premature ascension to Heaven.
Battle time: 2:25.

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I never saw the middle giant QTE with fakeout rings, it was all still in boss first half

eager hollow
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can you survive the big qte attack?

half verge
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Idk and I didn’t think I can survive failing the code barrier QTE either, I should try in mock and find out though. if I can, then I can ignore it too

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logging in to do that

eager hollow
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You definitely need at least sr15 dolls and level 7 tempering cube for that

half verge
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phase 6 tentacle slap leaves my team with 15% hp or something

eager hollow
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additional def mod lnes or dupes are also necessary for attackers

half verge
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It’s running now, true full auto this time

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Yeah, nope

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Failing the code barrier QTE killed 3 of the team

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Crown cheated with invincible though

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And I’m only just about 2b, no way am I going to limp to phase 7 (3b+) with 2 alive

eager hollow
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Yea, I've been testing that full auto team posted on helm's thread

half verge
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1:24 battle time as well, I think most of us definitely have to at least flick away the code barrier QTE

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Even if wanting to full auto

eager hollow
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Definitely high requirement and still can get occasionally yucky with some weird targeting rng that may screw up that big qte attack

remote storm
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that big qte attack can crit?

eager hollow
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no somehow the previous missile attack must have screwed up my units hp

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then again, I'm not encountering that anymore so I dunno what happened really

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speak of the devil, just had that missile attack damaged helm and she died from the qte attack because of that

woven ivy
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Yeah, missile RNG is the only problem with auto Kraken

eager hollow
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This comp actually works much better for me:
Helm/Rapipi/SBS/Crown/Alice

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Not maining Helm slows down the burst cycle a bit (by 5 seconds at the end of the stage roughly)

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But the burst coincides so well with the missiles, I actually managed to get a 100% success rate (out of 15 tries)

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Do keep in mind, this will result in SBS taking a bit more damage because SBS is not receiving the defense buff during the big QTE attack

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also my Helm s1 = 5

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so not sure if this will screw up the burst cycle if I increase s1 to say 10

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also your overall damage will be lowered a bit (around 100k for me)

oak robin
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@rich lintel Snake decided to use ur pic for Prydwen

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Good job ur art degree helped

cloud vessel
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Does Alice and Mana charge time reduction stacks together?

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Or highest buff take over?

woven ivy
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Alice would take Mana's buff

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So for SBS, at least, they can't

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I imagine they'd stack otherwise

half verge
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Does Alice selfbuff with the same charge speed gain? I've long forgotten this

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If so then Alice + Mana would be the one time it can be forced to always stack

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But the benefits are nonexistent since when Alice bursts, she's already 100%+ charge speed... probably?

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At least if she's got the right OL effects

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Maybe a newer commander that didn't OL Alice yet but why this comp deadge

cloud vessel
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At skill 2 Lv 7, does Mana already buff charge time better than Alice 10/10/10?

half verge
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I heard no, you need higher (like 9?)

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But unless you're going for a Kraken kill, there's no need to get higher Mana S2 if your team is already sufficient to reach phase 7

woven ivy
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I think 9 ties Alice and 10 beats Alice

merry juniper
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would mana work better if she is b1 or b2?

remote storm
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2% less chance isnt the end of the world, could also just retry for the remaining 2, it is auto anyway

eager hollow
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the new comp hasn't failed me yet

harsh junco
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Naga would be better than an uninvested Noir for kraken?

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Answer is No, burst gen isn't enough

normal moth
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Thank you shiftup

craggy portal
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And it runs a decent cycle so extra gen shouldn't matter

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the main difference between helm and naga with sbs/alice bursting is that helm doesnt randomly die to light missiles for me

eager hollow
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I ran that comp so everyone could survive the big qte attack with enough investments

eager hollow
craggy portal
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no i manual alice while killing kraken

eager hollow
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oh that comp is full auto for me

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complete afk

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manualing Alice would obviously throw the whole planned cycle off

limpid rock
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how good is your mana? @final wigeon

keen compass
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wanna do a mom joke

crystal tide
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Btw what’re rec skill levels of mana

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I don’t see in pins

gritty ice
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Skill recommendation:
s1: lv1
s2: lv10 (instantly 7-10 to pair with sbs)
Burst: lv1
S1 and burst are personal damage, only level up once OLs are good enough and she start using burst. Level up S1 abit if the healing is not sufficient

crystal tide
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Thanks bre

mint oyster
mint oyster
limpid rock
crystal tide
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Yea last time he was saying he spent 100 pulls didn’t get her

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Poor snek

harsh junco
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snek has mana

livid coral
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Frank she's must pull for us

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Mast must pull, anchor mast pul, Eva must pull

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What does skip mean guys?

half verge
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Mana 4/7/4 is fine if you just want to lug around a cheapo invested character and assuming you aren't choking on lacking blue mats

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I did 7/7/7 and I guess because I treat purples a bit cheaply from playing for 2+ years deadge

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I think I want skill resets soon madge

harsh junco
livid coral
wanton pumice
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just to confirm, mana's cs buff on sbs doesn't affect the cs OL amount that sbs needs for 18-20 shots breakpoints?

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it's the same as alice?

harsh junco
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Alice gives 0.175 charge time while mana gives 0.18, doesn't seem significant enough to make OL lines drastically different

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0.005 ct for sbs would be around 1.6%?

harsh junco
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+4.9% Charge Speed: 18 hits
+11% Charge Speed : 19 hits
+20% Charge Speed : 20 hits

So , just remove 1.6% to all those thresholds BlancNod

dark flame
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0,16%

normal moth
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so HP Potency is better for healers than going for Vigor huh etherdum

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being etherdum again HP potency is affected with lifesteal right? (Yuni S1, Helm Burst, etc.)

keen compass
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if you need MLB for pvp

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you are the question

limpid rock
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i need c7

half verge
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Mana event lobby > Mana MLB lobby

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0LB it is TOMstare

livid coral
harsh junco
white quiver
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Please don't kill me TeriStare

oak robin
white quiver
oak robin
white quiver
half verge
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The flame was so hot, the chef was cooked

civic elbow
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Mana simply will not drop. Should I keep trying or just gold ticket her and move on?

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Or ignore entirely?

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She seems strong.

half verge
civic elbow
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Fair, alright. When do these units show up to be wishlistable? I still don't see RHRapi.

half verge
civic elbow
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Alright. Then patience it is. Thanks so much.

half verge
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Np, and yeah I think Mana will also join the pool at the same time

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I’m waiting for it too sadge

woven ivy
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New characters are added to wishlist when there's an app update. Collab event should do it

half verge
woven ivy
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Nothing in patch notes, right? And since we have datamine info about next patch, it shouldn't be an app update

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Last year we had 3-4 units in purgatory at once

half verge
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Limbo vs Purgatory, Purgatory sounds like punishment

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Alright, guess Rapi Hood dupes luck test will wait for EVA collab deadge

woven ivy
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M Priv at least got revived by B Soda's release

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But the other three (ignoring PvP)?

harsh junco
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Ok invested a little in mana 4/7/4 and now I can S7 easily on mobile by piloting her, no need to wait until I am home anymore HYPERS

half verge
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Another Mana Cult Convert evil

harsh junco
merry compass
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Mana def big qol character

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Autoing kraken on phone saves me mental

sour mauve
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She is almost gone and I didn't get her
Should i milage her

livid coral
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My mileage are reserved for 1% banners

half verge
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I tentatively say that Mana isn't worth gold mileage or desperation buying of gems to pull with

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That qualifier's in case new Nikkes make me eat my foot for saying this Kek_dog

remote storm
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mana is shit

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helm is the good shit

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mana is wishlist material

white quiver
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3.5b on Kraken today, all thanks to Mana

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New PB

soft kindle
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how invested does she have to be to be relevant in kraken ? still havent gotten around building her lmao

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also the team is the same but swap her for alice right

woven ivy
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Just S2 to seven honestly

soft kindle
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really ? huh

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OL too or nah

woven ivy
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Not necessary if your SBS is stacked enough

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Mana's job is just to be comfier Alice

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Neither deal much damage on auto delul

soft kindle
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yup , comfy as heck and I can break thru stage 7 now if I actually try

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hope I can do the same in phone today

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I actually wasted 100 rocks on sbs due to this and managed to get the 2 element lines Iw as missing keeping the rest and also getting my cs line to actual useful value lol

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is she supposed to burst if burst is level 1 and the other b3 is noir tho

woven ivy
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Yeah, you want her to burst still. Noir just there for extra core hits and burst gen

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Noir's burst is practically useless in that comp kek

soft kindle
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but the level 1 burst doesnt do much no ? 🤔

woven ivy
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The point is how it interacts with her self-buffs

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If she doesn't burst, her burst gen buff won't get re-applied

soft kindle
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ah I didnt read her kit then lol

soft kindle
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Yay ,level 7 too in phone and full chill

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Maybe mass rocking sbs had something to do more than mana but mana contributes to not having to tryhard on phone lol

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And way cheaper than I was expecting

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Now I want to see the afk team once I get helm max

woven ivy
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The OL lines of SBS definitely make the biggest impact

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My alt despite having significantly less cores on units can deal 500+ mil more than my main vs Kraken just cuz of SBS rolls

half verge
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Why did I touch Mana sadge

I just did an autoafk of Kraken without Mana

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Phase 7 catJAM

soft kindle
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With helm ?

half verge
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Yep, it was only one run but it seems like it should be consistent.. I'll do a few more.

Noah, BS Scarlet, Helm treasure p2, Rapi Hood, Crown

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Noah died to the code barrier QTE, but that was okay. Rest of team lived (100% def up team buff from Noah's burst helped)

soft kindle
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Yeah I heard she's kinda needed

half verge
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Though for others to replicate this might be hard, need enough damage

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Otherwise Kraken goes into the major transition QTE before phase 7 and ends your autoafk run

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For me, team's in phase 5 when code barrier QTE smashes

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Wow, Noah lived this time 👀

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20s mark boss doing pre-major QTE spray

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10s I reach phase 7

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6s boss sinks

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4 seconds to spare, cutting it close

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With Helm treasure phase 2 and only lvl 4 burst

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Mana benched TOMstare Noah laughing

half verge
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Super reliable, no failures to reach phase 7, ran a lot of mocks while I was yapping around on Discord

remote storm
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Yea this team much better to afk kraken, no need to even change cube, can just keep resil/bas on them

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Need a very good sbs or helmt3 to reliabe hit stage 7 tho

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For me it hit 10 of out 15 times stage 7

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5 times it was like 50-100 mil dmg short of stage 7

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No random death coz noah will aggro missiles, even if she dies later no probleem coz it will be very late

remote storm
woven ivy
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This is why I only levelled Mana on alt heh

muted crest
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Mana, SBS and SSakura are super reliable though. You only mess up from missing the QTEs because you’re lazy.

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Maybe I don’t need it to be fully afk on mobile, but it is exceptionally consistent.

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You won’t need a perfect SBS either.

remote storm
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ofc everthing is consistent if u going to manual play it, but that teams goal is to consistent clear fully afk

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with mana and ssakura u need like super high req on all nikkes to survive qte

muted crest
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Oh, I thought the AFK Kraken team was still on "you have to manual the QTE" stage of their work.

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But mobile is hard enough of a debuff.

half verge
gritty ice
keen compass
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least addicted gacha player

pulsar trellis
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but you get this from interceptionsdoroHmm

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I got it yesterday as well

crude kraken
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wtf does this mean lol

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how do you burst during full burst

livid coral
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No phase 3 for me this raid, it's dorover

keen compass
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Mana phase 3

livid coral
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I wrote in the wrong thread

obtuse summit
chilly oriole
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Legend of

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Secrets of

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Lingerie of