Because you would just use Sanis anyway
#[Mana] New Unit Megathread
knotty island
Ez skip . 1st skip of the new year .,.
lone bloom
are we sure it doesn't factor in cs OLs
says longest basic charge time, not base
maybe translation issue
coarse hearth
Do charge speed OL on SBS get better or worse with Mana, since she changes the charge time instead of giving charge speed? 
astral condor
Do charge speed OL on SBS get better or worse with Mana, since she changes the c...
giving chrg spd to ScarBS is still good
but the OL breakpoint got lower for more shots within FB changes with Mana
woven ivy
+3 shots feasible now? 
spice flume
Do charge speed OL on SBS get better or worse with Mana, since she changes the c...
If she's the only RL/SF then it doesn't matter
woven ivy
It would matter, since Mana reducing charge time means that CS rolls based on base CS are effectively larger
woven sedge
auto stage 7 kraken? who said
you cant auto kraken because of QTE
The furthest you can get to is around stage 4-5 on auto i believe. Some guys in my union tried to full auto with meta kraken team and they got to stage 5
I dont think mana changes the fact
obtuse summit
It would matter, since Mana reducing charge time means that CS rolls based on ba...
Isnt she effectively just giving sbs a 60% chrg spd buff?
final wigeon
Isnt she effectively just giving sbs a 60% chrg spd buff?
Yeah
astral condor
Alice .5835
Mana .6
with Mana on the team
total OL chrg spd needs to be 23.7% for 20th shot
I did make a fool of myself by failed basic arithmatics earlier so please verify me
ping me when calling me out, I'd like to be corrected if wrong
sly dagger
you cant auto kraken because of QTE
do you really have to speak out loud that we need to break QTE by hands ?
That's obivious
woven sedge
do you really have to speak out loud that we need to break QTE by hands ?
you said "auto" its not auto if manual play is involved
main path
also alice s1 should just be worded as Charge Time down like Mana I think
thats more intuitive
cause I think that’s how it works
obtuse summit
also alice s1 should just be worded as Charge Time down like Mana I think
Not just alice, basically all reload/charge spd % buffs
main path
nah only if its caster’s charge speed like Alice I think
cause it’s 0.17505s for every character
gritty ice
Does mana help with kraken qte?
main path
compared to other regular charge speed buffs where the time reduction will change depending on base charge time
half verge
So what happens if we’re saying screw it to replacing Alice and literally go with SBS + Alice + Mana?
Crippled Mana that never bursts, does her kit collapse? Not winggirl viable?
lone bloom
your alice gets more charge speed 
obtuse summit
nah only if its caster’s charge speed like Alice I think
I mean like how the effects arent actually increasing speed by the listed % but instead reducing time by the listed %.
main path
ah yeah
harsh junco
You are better off just using Naga at that point. If she doesn't burst she loses σ status after the first burst and acts just as a CS bot for alice
half verge
S1
- AKA “Metal1” buff: buffs self (Mana, and she’s Attacker but AR) with 58.08% ATK.
- Requires Metal1: heals team constantly (once per second or so)
- Requires Metal1: removes Metal1 if someone on team dies, and revives them.
S2
- AKA “Metal2” buff: buffs self with 70.4% burst gen (remember, AR),
- Requires Metal2: on full burst, also buffs self with 21.12% “Attack Damage” for 10 seconds.
- Requires Metal2: on full burst, also buffs self with 63.36% “ATK” for 10 seconds.
- On full burst, also buffs ally with longest “basic charge time” with 0.18 charge time reduction.
- On full burst end, if Mana bursted into that Full Burst, rebuffs self with Metal2.
Burst
- Buffs self with boost to “Sustained Damage” damage type
- Deals Sustained Damage for 10 seconds
lone bloom
I just realized that her shirt is semi transparent, you can see her bra
thought it was just shadow
half verge
S1
- AKA “Metal1” buff: buffs self (Mana, and she’s Attacker but AR) with 58.08%...
Mana’s S1 will be active even as winggirl, she’ll keep healing team, and be stronger than a random B3 Attacker tossed in that has no self buffing capability. Unless someone dies.
lone bloom
b3 healer + does other stuff, better helm 
(at least until we know helm treasure)
gritty ice
I just realized that her shirt is semi transparent, you can see her bra
Goon lab
half verge
S2
- AKA “Metal2” buff: buffs self with 70.4% burst gen (remember, AR),
- Requi...
Mana’s S2 will also be active for the first full burst no matter what, but it’ll be gone for the 2nd burst cycle unless she was the first B3 to burst. So in for example PvP she can be winggirl since there’s no presumption of team surviving to have a second B3 execute burst.
final wigeon
I just realized that her shirt is semi transparent, you can see her bra
That's something we noticed long ago
half verge
Hmm and it appears her charge time reduction buff doesn’t rely on Metal2?
Which means it’s always up every Full Burst even if she’s winggirl
The problem is if the second B3 is Alice, she steals this from BS Scarlet… then the question is… does Alice benefit a lot from this charge time reduction? Does Alice become more of a crazed dps demon?
lone bloom
if you wanna lock your alice to mana, she saves some cs rolls from alice 
ig mana also makes trial alice actually a good dps now
half verge
Alice + Mana + Privaty + Crown for infinite bullets Alice? Wonder what the effect is on AI autoshoot too
woven ivy
The furthest you can get to is around stage 4-5 on auto i believe. Some guys in ...
I've gotten to 6
The QTE is at the very end of the fight if you're full auto, so it's not a problem
If by meta comp you mean the SBS/Alice with Naga one, then yeah, it's going to cap out cuz auto Alice is 👎
final wigeon
Alice + Mana + Privaty + Crown for infinite bullets Alice? Wonder what the effec...
Why do you need mana here then
With Privaty you don't need mana
half verge
To see if autoshoot becomes insanely good or what, I guess
final wigeon
Privaty removes the ammo requirement
Mana removes the charge speed requirement
woven ivy
I guess the goal would be playing with OL lines? 
half verge
I’m one of the few who can’t spam shoot on Alice to save their lives
final wigeon
To see if autoshoot becomes insanely good or what, I guess
Auto shoot is 16 bullets
You can already achieve that with 2-3 ammo
woven ivy
Mana needed to remove CS lines from Alice
final wigeon
I think shino is right, regardless
What he said is probably true
SBS goes with mana, Alice can maybe fit in another team, an SG fits in SBS Mana team for burst gen and it's all solved
half verge
Noir 
woven ivy
Shift Up is throwing us a bone for core-less bosses
final wigeon
Noir <:KEKS:1075584914235342879>
A DPS SG
woven ivy
since Alice is useless there
vast rivet
sly dagger
SU just tried to do what's the best for all players
Like they released D for Modernia SI
woven ivy
And Noir is clip, so better burst gen
sly dagger
Sakura for Alteisen
woven ivy
She's the best option as long as Rouge can babysit Blanc
final wigeon
Sakura for Alteisen
Kraken
woven ivy
did anyone actually use D for Modernia SI?
sly dagger
not everyone can play Alice or having PC
final wigeon
Oh you mean base sakura
sly dagger
So they make a solution
yeah
I mean old SI days
They did things that helped new players
final wigeon
~~did anyone actually use D for Modernia SI?~~
Yeah, a lot
woven ivy
Even playing Alice, if you don't have god rolls, she's subpar
final wigeon
We used to recommend D to a lot of players
woven ivy
I know I used her for Hard 13 Mod
sly dagger
Grave can work
lone bloom
I don't think gen will be enough even with sg
sly dagger
But Kraken has core so I think it should be
woven ivy
Grave is damage loss vs Crown tho
woven ivy
Not much, but a little bit
final wigeon
But grave with Cindy xMaiden also makes no sense 
woven ivy
Makes the run much harder
woven ivy
But grave with Cindy xMaiden also makes no sense <:madge:1043604679885607032>
Grave burst gen always makes sense 
Maximize FB count
lone bloom
someone try it rn with another mag sg in the place of mana
woven ivy
Since X Maiden needs them for her final boom
lone bloom
that's her likely gen
woven ivy
Grave's ammo count buff also only really matters for RL/SR/SG 
It's a joke for SMG/AR/MG
gritty ice
Grave with SBS mana makes no sense
Grave-sbs-noir-mana-Rpp
Cant die in kraken with this
I need to reset a2 and 2b
final wigeon
@keen compass
sly dagger
keen compass
not much
woven ivy
Should be lower 
keen compass
astral condor
Sakura for Alteisen
my sync 160 days
Noise Sakura Blanc Noir Modernia
final wigeon
I think it's within 10% SSakura
obtuse summit
A better version of Helm for real
The timed it for her treasure release. Meaning the treasure gonna be op 
woven ivy
Helm burst healing now passive, activating every full burst. Only the damage is her full burst and now true damage 
keen compass
final wigeon
Do proper math 
sly dagger
You know if she uses burst she needs another rotation to get back her own buffs right ?
keen compass
etc
woven ivy
She's honorary Elysion Attacker
final wigeon
That's so ass
sly dagger
She's just an meh DPS
keen compass
and she's also a sigma
woven ivy
Like, her S1 passive
sly dagger
But she has many valuable things
keen compass
final wigeon
deal with it
But her burst
Isn't it huge
sly dagger
Heal + burst gen ( not that big ) + meh DPS
Most important she's off-burst
She's like a better Helm I can say
Which you dont need to burst
+1 slot for better DPS
final wigeon
kinda same as Sakura now
keen compass
nice so we can reset Sakura
keen compass
after 10h intensity working I guess
final wigeon
nice so we can reset Sakura
What buffs did you use for her burst
keen compass
ah
final wigeon
Her S2 doesn't buff her burst
final wigeon
well that's complicated
She should only get
Skill 1 atk buff
And
Her burst skill sustained damage buff
keen compass
alright so 63.5% of Sakura now
craggy portal
also alice s1 should just be worded as Charge Time down like Mana I think
tbh all charge speed/reload speed of it should be
final wigeon
alright so 63.5% of Sakura now
Her basic gun damage only gets skill 1 atk buff during her own burst
And
Skill 2 atk+atkdmg buff + skill 1 atk buff during other burst
craggy portal
just give her a big burst gen gun and we cooking 
wanton pumice
sleepy dongs
astral condor
@sly dagger sorry to interrupt
do you mind quick DM?
not urgent
keen compass
half verge
Wait ‘til Helm Treasure turns Helm into the ultimate Kraken killer because she’s promoted to Admiral Helm and brings anti-Kraken treasure kit 
Gg Mana
hexed trout
treasure discussion tomorrow gonna be wild
hexed trout
Pari
keen compass
dont think they can hold proper interllectual conversation
half verge
Is maintenance tonight?
keen compass
half verge
Yep
7 hours maintenance starting tonight
So I guess all mysteries will be revealed tonight
astral condor
<t:1736992800>
signal ocean
So guys did shiftup pull another flora situation for us (mid nikke after anni)
Or we pulling
woven ivy
Unless she's a Rouge situation where she's extremely compatible with the upcoming raid units after her, she's a skip for anyone who can already S7 Kraken
She could potentially allow for improved Kraken scores for newer players/players with bricked Alice/players who don't want to use Alice and higher priority for those who don't have S Sakura
Her kit actually looks nice, so not Flora situation
She just looks to add comfort/flexbility rather than power (until testing is done), which means wishlist could be advisable in light of upcoming collab
signal ocean
Freeing alice with sbs is good in theory but wouldnt mana have to work just as hard to replace alice in the comp
cause its a net nerf
woven ivy
Mana will have strong element when SBS does, and she won't care about core presence
Unlike S Sakura, as well, she won't even care about parts
gritty ice
We still have to invest noir and mana to match that alice performance in kraken, if u new and u invest into them u bricked, just…skip
woven ivy
Investment needed for Mana and Noir on OL rolls is cheaper than a single Alice 
gritty ice
Then they release collab and maybe another pilgrim shiet in half anni and they will keep chipping the resource with these “oh shiet niche” banners
woven ivy
But yeah, biggest concern point about her is that new Asuka/Rei are likely Wind
so she could end up in an Elegg situation
Unless Shift Up starts making us care about healing again 
final wigeon
Should You Pull / Is She Good?*
If you are a newer or casual player, I recommend skipping this banner with absolutely no regrets. However, if you are a veteran, late game player (have cleared normal campaign), definitely pull one copy.
Why is she good?
Mana is a healer + charge speed buffer, who deals around 70% of S.Sakura's damage as a main DPS. Her DPS is pretty meh, so ideally she is used as an off burst unit. As far her buffs go, she buffs SBS better than Alice (since she provides 2% more charge speed buff than Alice). She is most probably going to be used as an off-burst unit for SBS teams. If there are no parts and no core she might be viable as a main DPS unit if she has well invested OL gear (hence the premise that she's a late game unit)
I suspect that the team
Crown RRH SBS S.Sakura Mana
Is good for Kraken, for phone players, and especially Alice haters.
She can also give charge speed to Alice, which removes the requirement of having charge speed OL on Alice. But this use-case isn't solid for now and just a theory. In the end, we still have to wait and see what the right teams are on a wind weak raid.
It is important to note that while she restricts flexibility in some senses, she does improve it as well since she can provide healing to S.Rosanna team, Mari team or Grave team, especially keep in mind that Srosa buffs sustained damage..
Her major use case comes from PvP. If you are early game and want a reason to pull, Mana is at least an SS tier unit cuz of average burst gen (average here is a compliment, since she is an AR unit), and she has the ability to revive one unit who dies instantly, unlike Rapunzel or xAnne who need to waste their burst to revive a unit. Hence, Mana is an excellent option to use as an off-burst unit in PvP teams, and may see solid use in SP arena as well as Champions arena.
To tldr
Mana has three major use cases, PvP, wind weak raids as a buffer for SBS, and perhaps even Kraken.
final wigeon
**Should You Pull / Is She Good?***
**If you are a newer or casual player, I re...
On to treasures
shadow iris
Is there treasure kit known?
final wigeon
Is there treasure kit known?
No
shadow iris
damn
lone bloom
hmm
anyone know how the flat charge speed reduction works with CS
does it apply before or after CS
bc I think it's possible that it reduces by the flat before working with CS, which means that alice still needs CS Ol to reach 100% CS (even if her charge speed becomes 1.32 base, she still needs 100% CS here)
if it reduces it after CS% is calculated, then it should be ok
final wigeon
anyone know how the flat charge speed reduction works with CS
It's just base charge speed - charge speed
For Alice it's
1.5 - .18
It's just a charge speed buff
lone bloom
yeah but where does CS% go for that equation
final wigeon
yeah but where does CS% go for that equation
If you have a CS buff on OL and Mana buff, it's
1.5 - 4%(1.5) -.18
obtuse summit
anyone know how the flat charge speed reduction works with CS
i think buffs always just use the base value
final wigeon
If you have a CS buff on OL and Mana buff, it's
1.5 - 4%(1.5) -.18
So it's just a buff
icy jungle
mint oyster
manaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
vast rivet
is mana elysion missilis or tetra
light blaze
Missilis
oak robin
why need Mana for kraken smh
oak robin
yeah but where does CS% go for that equation
we dk yet
it might not be additive but multiplicative
nerfing charge speed buff
so for example
0.3s - 0.18s = 0.12s - 4%(0.12) instead = 0.1152s
Or 0.3s - 0.18s - 4%(0.3) = 0.108s
merry compass
Nothing in this game is exponential
It always ends up being an additive frame with a designated base value
craggy portal
charge speed is also literally charge time reduction in how it works
100% charge speed = 0 charge time = 100% reduction
merry compass
So I'd say 99.9% it just functions effectively the way Alice works
Just gives you that flat time reduction
half verge
In b4 game breaking bug with Alice 100%+ charge speed combined with Mana flat charge time reduction 
merry compass
I have never seen a base value that other stats depend on scale with with another stat/buff you can get
craggy portal
In b4 game breaking bug with Alice 100%+ charge speed combined with Mana flat ch...
alice uncapped charge dmg feature cycle round 2?
final wigeon
We can be confident that they convert it into seconds
Cuz I think they round off values everywhere
final wigeon
If you have a CS buff on OL and Mana buff, it's
1.5 - 4%(1.5) -.18
Imo works like this
Like it always is, simple addition subtraction
bright anvil
How’s the pre-analysis looking so far?
She looking to be an unsafe skip or a choice safe skip?
runic heart
How’s the pre-analysis looking so far?
Pvp cook
Kraken interception
Wind Raid
bright anvil
So she isn’t safe to skip featured or she just decent skip if your collection built enough?
half verge
I think it's pinned. Skippable for new commanders because too many better things to work toward and save for. Should-get-1 for veterans because of anticipation for needing her to pair with BS Scarlet and free the Alice in raids.
obtuse summit
How’s the pre-analysis looking so far?
shes currently the strongest scientist nikke
half verge
In other words one can say Mana is a "do not rush to get one of" because as usual you're better off waiting to see what pioneers and testers discover about Mana and BS Scarlet interaction
Then ask the question again after this is known
harsh junco
I remember someone doing kraken AI stage 7 full auto
Like literally full auto, no even destroying the tentacles, let me see if I can find the video
rich lintel
mint oyster
I remember someone doing kraken AI stage 7 full auto
with alice?
harsh junco
It was when rapipi launched
half verge
Like literally full auto, no even destroying the tentacles, let me see if I can...
What about the QTE 
mint oyster
rich lintel
bright anvil
Can do mock test
half verge
wdym saving Kraken. Can mock
mint oyster
I don't wanna mock
harsh junco
It was Umi the goat zame
gritty ice
Mock on real attempt to show commitment
bright anvil
Better than wasting a real attempt if you aren’t sure it’s fool proof
harsh junco
half verge
https://www.youtube.com/live/-FvUJFmOOtk
1:01:15 for the start of Kraken fight btw
rich lintel
Force close if anything goes wrong. 
harsh junco
Ok he didn't get S7
mint oyster
harsh junco
But was halfway through s6 literally full auto
half verge
... it went as bad as I expected
harsh junco
https://youtu.be/-FvUJFmOOtk?t=1h42m10s
I feel like this + Rapipi as B1 and Mana could potentially do it
half verge
Crown + BS Scarlet + Mana + Rapi Hood + Naga? Hm, do we even bother with Naga?
It's a lot more healing, looks like team can survive the attacks
harsh junco
For the full auto Naga is useless, as none of the units pierce to hit the core
So Noir could potentially do better + she gives nice burst gen
half verge
Alright, I can try finding an auto approach with BS Scarlet + Mana + Noir + Rapi Hood + Crown
harsh junco
I need to farm gear for Mana
half verge
It looks like I'll probably have to handle the QTEs but if I can just watch the rest that'd be ez
harsh junco
Used it on Drake
harsh junco
If they did that it would be such a good QoL
Only having to worry once a week to get S7
deft geyser
So Noir could potentially do better + she gives nice burst gen
Won't give burst regen but XLud also potentially an option for that slot?
slender dove
This one is 1 copy and dip right?
half verge
Just about everything is except for the truly terrible units
bright anvil
Pull worthy or can skip?
oak robin
As a raid player
U underestimate
The impact of limit breaks
For this raid specifically there were a lot of damage breakpoints
But I agree
Most units 1 copy good
Maybe for the mega super broken all around unit for every raid
Copies worth it
Esp those friendship levels give a lot of buff
bright anvil
So she worth to use the stash you trying to build for incoming February?
oak robin
At sync 400
half verge
I guess. At a minimum, 0 copy vs 1 copy makes a massive difference, obviously, while beyond that... how hard do you want to go, and how much you want to save up toward that all-in character or how much you want to gamble pulling for them? Etc...
oak robin
So she worth to use the stash you trying to build for incoming February?
Nah idk hard to say
half verge
Rn the only thing about 1 and out or never touching is whether you'd like to gamble with wishlist and rng spooks
You prepared to survive without Mana for 1 year if your luck isn't good?
oak robin
I guess. At a minimum, 0 copy vs 1 copy makes a massive difference, obviously, w...
Yeah well people dont tryhard in raids so they get fewer gems monthly or they don't buy the monthly
oak robin
You prepared to survive without Mana for 1 year if your luck isn't good?
Mana is obv 1 copy and dip
I only get dupes for very broken units
Such as xlud, asuka
But tbh
bright anvil
So pull on banner is the idea coming from here?
oak robin
Getting dupes for 2b and a2 were wrong
How much I want to justify dupes for Crown
She is probably 1 dupe and dip unit too
bright anvil
About 3 multis on me atm and after those 3 will have 2 pities. I should use what I got?
light blaze
So what I'm seeing is, off burst healer DPS with slight burst gen for kraken team,
Yes please
normal moth
Getting dupes for 2b and a2 were wrong
wait dupes on the NieR units are bad?
nimble jackal
wait dupes on the NieR units are bad?
Just wasted
spice flume
Mana is obv 1 copy and dip
I have only 60 pulls left and collab is near
Mana will be in my wishlist
deft geyser
PvP your CP is dynamic right? So when Nikke die you lose their CP?
Oh wait the triple Sac will still suffer from CP deficit
Lvl1 Flex/lvl1 Mana/Rosanna/B2/B3 will go before any other team in existence, but you need to somehow win with a heavy deficit
deft geyser
If we can get someone with decent CP to die super quick
Might be able to outspeed even Jackal teams
Mana really opens up some crazy synergy with Rosanna
lone bloom
eh
rosa doesn't really need mana
for any of this double sac stuff to have much use, you need to basically reach 1rl
if that's the case, mana revive won't do anything unless it revives the unit within a single frame
so that in 1 rl the same unit can die twice, due to enemy rl shots not landing at exactly the same time due to cs or positioning
keen compass
why 70%
so 30% of Sakura will be covered by 30% more of SBS
therefore SBS = Sakura?
final wigeon
she needs to burst to deal 70% of ssakura?
No even dealing like 60 of sakura is enough since she can buff SBS by 30
That breaks even though
I thjnk
A bit better though cuz crown s2 uptime
deft geyser
for any of this double sac stuff to have much use, you need to basically reach 1...
Putting CP aside,
Lvl1 Flex, lvl1 Mana, Rosanna, B2, B3
Will burst in like 4 frames
- lvl1 Flex dies
- Mana revives lvl1 Flex
- lvl1 Flex dies again
- Mana dies
- Triple sac means burst is ready
The issue is that lvl1 will completely destroy your CP
lone bloom
Putting CP aside,
Lvl1 Flex, lvl1 Mana, Rosanna, B2, B3
Will burst in like 4 f...
you're relying on their team having non RL/SR that is capable of killing that fast
lone bloom
actually you need your lvl 1 flex to die to AR/SMG before enemy rls even land, or else mana will die there as well
deft geyser
Yes
lone bloom
ok so what's your b3
deft geyser
Any AoE I guess.
Presumably it's just Rosanna, B2 AoE, B3 AoE, hope their attackers all die
lone bloom
your rosa would not have unlinked them yet, she isn't gonna kill
deft geyser
Your B2 and B3 should still finish the job, hopefully
Rosa also has 3 stacks by this point
oak robin
3 atk buff rosanna btw
deft geyser
The main issue is only a lvl1 dies that fast and that means CP deficit is huge
Especially since realistically Mana also needs to be lvl1 if all in on speed
oak robin
Im more scared of Helm Laplace
HelmTr + LaplaceTr
Fuck
I dont have LaplaceTr
Its gonna be scary as fuck
lone bloom
if they kill p1 unit, they should be moving on to p2 mana before going back to the revived p1 I think, unless a revive makes them reset targeting
deft geyser
If aiming for triple Sac doesn't matter if Mana dies first
Or more specifically, second
lone bloom
the p1 might not die a second time
they would be on rosanna at that point
assuming the targeting works the way I think it does
deft geyser
Hmmm
Yeah I dunno enough about PvP targeting
I just see a potential faster than 1RL team
lone bloom
I'm not seeing a practical use for such a team
aside from the obvious fact that if you're in cp range with it, you just run 5 synced units and win by cp diffing them anyway
no need to go much faster when you can achieve basically the same thing by having only p2 lvl 1
denying RL gen
deft geyser
I guess it's a question of "if your Attackers are the same level, can a 3 stack Rosanna and two AoE bursts kill squishy attackers like Scarlet"
With a CP deficit from lvl1 allies
lone bloom
if you're in any decent amount of deficit you're not killing anything
hexed trout
it's so easy
lone bloom
also is it even possible for a lvl 1 to die that fast to ar/smg? how much hp would a lvl 1 have
deft geyser
"dies when entering battle, +200% ATK when revived (continuous, 2 stacks)
lone bloom
I'm not seeing much practical pvp usage aside from using her to effectively give p1 double hp tbh
frees up biscuit from the babysitting-until-p1-can-burst role
and if you want a strong snipe setup, probably just do rosa helm
lone bloom
helm would be the best way to do a 2rl b3 snipe comp, esp against linked units
won't need rosa
merry compass
@final wigeon ~90% of Sakura under RapiB1/Crown/same OL, ~80% if Liter instead of Rapi
final wigeon
Mentat was right 
merry compass
As expected, Mana damage barely changes if you change the buffs, Sakura damage does change substantially depending on the buffs
final wigeon
As expected, Mana damage barely changes if you change the buffs, Sakura damage d...
Not much internal buffs, simple reason 
But yeah that should be a simple powercreep to ssakura
lone bloom
I don't have the excess resources to full invest for every raid, ain't worth 
you'll never catch me building someone like sw either
final wigeon
So should be an important one copy for any late game player
lone bloom
inb4 it shortens sim room stages by 1 fight
or it lets you quick battle the boss fight
main path
I feel they will give more points to some missions
so you can reach 100pts easier/faster
final wigeon
But that means that we skip one of the important missions 
sonic token
auto advice all 10 with 1 button
crystal tide
Pull or not?
Btw what were the daily changes
Me being a pleb that did everything at reset
undone falcon
Screw the vday, need SBS slave
crystal tide
Guess we skip this banner now <:PepeClown:1063922915663433778>
What
I thought you’re Manas biggest glazer
mint oyster
stage 7 without going phase 2
no qte?
final wigeon
I thought you’re Manas biggest glazer
Fund me bruh I'm at 0 pulls
winged cairn
one time only
crystal tide
Fund me bruh I'm at 0 pulls
Same. That was my only 10 pull lmao
Believe in yourself and pull
final wigeon
Believe in yourself and pull
I'm at 0 pulls
I just spent a 100 pulls
105 pulls actually
sonic token
If I want to use Mana for no hand kraken, then I need to reinvest on SSakura 
mint oyster
I just spent a 100 pulls
you didn't get her after 100 pulls?
mint oyster
wanton pumice
yep, wife
cloud vessel
Waifu over meta
calm elm
The drunk trio go to the bar again lol
Too bad theres no drunklet now
wanton pumice
||no seggs in bond story. 
||
edgy vale
40 pulls ill take it
undone falcon
normal moth
After failing the Kraken QTE
Mana saved SBS
Crown triggered her invulnerability passive from her S2
harsh junco
1 tap
white quiver
vestal flame
ionic bay
strong anvil
where damage comparison Alice vs Mana
livid coral
How the cook is going champs
harsh junco
Read above
harsh junco
EZ, buy a better phone
limpid rock
hexed trout
send code
hasty moss
So Mana is a easy skip
hasty moss
Eva collab is just 2 weeks away
cursive ravine
Christmas just a week away
crystal tide
Christmas just a week away
Eos is tomorrow
livid coral
No lol
mint oyster
what skill lvs are needed for her?
coarse hearth
So it seems like sbsbot mana is pretty much just for comfy kraken or if you need to free Alice up for another team in SR?
gritty ice
25pulls not home bish can smc
hexed trout
she cant if you dont pull
wanton pumice
25pulls not home bish can smc
normal moth
gritty ice
Imagine she has synergy with new Eva girls cuz they RL now or make 1 of your SR run comfy af (i rmb last Object raid 1-2 teams need dolls to survive )
woven ivy
so my main doesn't have great wind units (I'll try to get her and max invest on alt which is wind-focused afterward)
This is my top damage comp
Noir has 69% element as a note, +5 OLs aside from boots which are +0
This is 4/4/4 Mana, +0 T9Ms
Noir rekt
woven ivy
If luck is on my side, I'll get her on alt to fully invest
My main account is electric and water-focused
Alt is wind and fire
gritty ice
Im seeing an invested ssakura
woven ivy
I have invested S Sakura on both accounts, yes
but her OLs are meh on main
Only 62% ele 30% atk
woven ivy
Remember that I'm also the weird guy with a 10/10/10 Phantom and full OL Product 12
I whale to invest freely, not optimally
Oh nice, alt's first 10-pull. Time to heavily invest
OH NO
I levelled abnormal gear...
Crisis averted, as Guilty for some reason had +5s
woven ivy
Right, Rapi drained my alt pretty hard, so only 7/7/7, +0 OLs, 24% ele, 18% atk
woven ivy
Is Alice still chained to Sbs?
Her CS buff is slightly better than Alice's
For co-op, she's much better
Alt's run vs Kraken using same Noir comp
wanton pumice
For co-op, she's much better <:KEKL:1008348072637636648>
you still want alice in coop for burst gen
woven ivy
Mana gives burst gen, too
wanton pumice
which doesn't work half the time
because metal-o keeps going and coming
and in coop, you're not getting metal-o back ever if there's 2 sbs
she has to burst to not lose metal-o completely
woven ivy
Ah true
Oh wait, didn't see that she has to burst to get the burst gen back...
ew
Well that explains some things in testing
wanton pumice
yes, if you wanna use mana off burst, you have to let go of metal-o completely
woven ivy
Alt's run vs Kraken using same Noir comp
Alt's getting about the same damage with semi-invested Mana as full invested Noir
Lemme slide S Sakura out to allow Man to burst
gritty ice
final wigeon
<:RougeStare:1287547664052785283>
RedHood took mana buff here btw
oak robin
RedHood took mana buff here btw
Read again
woven ivy
99% full auto
The only manual action I performed was clearing the elemental QTE in S5
No tentacles destroyed
final wigeon
The only manual action I performed was clearing the elemental QTE in S5
Record and send
Would be nice to pin here
woven ivy
Kayo~
Gonna play around and see if I can manage to keep all five alive during that elemental QTE fail
Cuz I'm only losing two atm
Tempering cube may do it, but that'll cost a decent amount of damage
Nope
sly dagger
Damn I have been dying in treasures and missed this thread
ebon tiger
so is the consensus mana is only good for comfy kraken but otherwise, skip?
hexed trout
that ress and burst gen looks nice for pvp
might be useless though if the ressed nikke isn't rebuffed
woven ivy
Decent pickup for new players/players who don't have S Sakura, but otherwise, considering what we have coming up, wishlisting is probably wise for most
F2P should skip for sure unless longterm veteran
ebon tiger
actually, and I don't know the answer cus I don't have S Sakura invested
but does SBS + S Sakura do better than SBS + Alice?
woven ivy
Depends on your SBS rolls
S Sakura is particularly good against Kraken cuz she was designed for it
and she deals damage independently of SBS
crude sun
Depends on your SBS rolls
wat if my sbs only has 1 charge speed line?
woven ivy
CS line isn't too important
Her ele/atk is what matters
The stronger your SBS, the more value Alice has
crude sun
Her ele/atk is what matters
for that matter, 93% ele and 23% attack
woven ivy
Alice herself doesn't hurt Kraken that much unless she has god rolls
S Sakura beats Alice if your SBS isn't that good
ebon tiger
S Sakura is particularly good against Kraken cuz she was designed for it
So it's mainly gonna be whether or not you do SBS OR S Sakura team?
Not both at same time?
crude sun
Alice herself doesn't hurt Kraken that much unless she has god rolls
Alice at 17 ammo and 1 t11 attack line
woven ivy
For example, my main's SBS:
With SBS being that weak, S Sakura herself provides more damage than Alice can provide SBS
This is how my main's runs looks
woven ivy
So it's mainly gonna be whether or not you do SBS OR S Sakura team?
Not both at...
You're using SBS no matter what
Crown/Alice/Naga is best if your SBS is extremely strong, but it takes more manual operation
Crown/S Sakura/Noir is best if your SBS is on the weaker end (assuming you're willing to invest in S Sakura)
It's also relaxing
crude sun
It's also relaxing
wat about mana
ebon tiger
eventually I wanna build up my S Sakura but also cus I pulled da hoe lol
woven ivy
Mana's role is to replace the Alice/S Sakura slot
She has better charge speed buffs than Alice at max skill (although minor)
and she'll actually outdamage majority of Alices
Although you'd probably want to knock out Naga for Noir in that case, since Mana can't pierce like Alice can
crude sun
She has **better** charge speed buffs than Alice at max skill (although minor)
and then realize it might not even matter if you burst rotations are briked half the time
woven ivy
and then realize it might not even matter if you burst rotations are briked half...
How so?
crude sun
How so?
you won't have access to fast burst options like SR/RL because of Black Scarlet's low charge base time
woven ivy
Mana has a burst gen rate up
ebon tiger
hence why you said, if you don't have S Sakura or an invested one, Mana could be worth for comfier Kraken run
woven ivy
I've experienced no issues with rotations using Mana on-burst
ebon tiger
cus I'm assuming Mana is less overal investment than S Sakura or nah?
crude sun
Mana has a burst gen rate up
only half the time, because she needs to get it back with her burst skill
woven ivy
It's been enough for my testing
Also, unless your Alice is godly, personal damage alone Mana will win
I'll do an Alice run
After I test off-burst S Sakura
Using Noir also helps with the burst gen since she's clip SG
ebon tiger
Okay cool
ebon tiger
So it really is just, if you don't have S Sakura, here is Mana
woven ivy
But performance-wise, I'm not liking off-burst Mana
ebon tiger
if you don't got the limited, here is a perm option
woven ivy
Yeah, Mana is S Sakura but she doesn't care about part breaks, heals the team, and offers a revive
woven ivy
4/7/4 would be my opinion
crude sun
@woven ivy me on phone
ebon tiger
I'm sitll working on my SBS so I don't think mine is extremely strong, so it prob makes sense for me to get Mana
I can also afford to get her pull wise
woven ivy
Where mana?
You don't want Mana + Alice together
crude sun
Off-burst S Sakura bad as expected <:kek:798677933253853245>
What not use naga here then
woven ivy
What not use naga here then
Serious damage loss is why
Without Alice's ability to pierce, Naga's core damage is much less valuable
obtuse summit
Off-burst S Sakura bad as expected <:kek:798677933253853245>
What about sakura burst mana offburst?
woven ivy
Alt's getting about the same damage with semi-invested Mana as full invested Noi...
Same damage for me as using Noir
Less comfy burst gen but comfier heals
My damage using Alice/Naga
Accidentally clicked away before I could grab spread
Alice is just way more effort for literally less returns, so I can't be bothered
main trench
So using Crown sbs mana noir and rrh I got to stage 8 in the same time I normally get to stage 7 using naga and Sakura
woven ivy
Noir gives great burst gen and can hit the tentacles with practically all of her pellets
so she helps considerably with speeding up the first phase
Mana got me to phase 2 about 20s faster than S Sakura on alt
main trench
Yeah along with rapi's cdr and mana's additional burst gen it was a breeze
She's only 4/7/4 as well
Time to refund Sakura when the next skill resets come around
woven ivy
Record and send
S7 clear of Kraken with full auto aside from manualling clearing elemental QTE!
Crown
- LB0
- 10/10/10
- +5/+5/+5/+5 OLs, SR5 doll
- 137.86% Max Ammo, 11.81% ATK
SBS
- MLB
- 10/7/10
- +5/+5/+5/+0 OLS, SR11 doll
- 90.01% Element, 43.02% ATK, 133.75% Max Ammo, 6.61% Charge Speed
Mana
- LB0
- 7/8/7
- +3/+3/+1/+0 OLs, SR5 doll
- 34.5% Element, 18.69% ATK, 15.08% Crit Rate
Noir
- C5
- 10/10/4
- +5/+5/+5/+0 OLs, R0 doll
- 47.12% Element, 11.81% ATK, 23.62% Hit Rate, 165.7% Max Ammo
Rapi
- MLB
- 10/10/10
- +5/+5/+5/+0 OLs, SR5 doll
- 185.33% Max Ammo
calm elm
Look comfy
The burst rotation are good too cause theres noir
final wigeon
S7 clear of Kraken with full auto **aside from manualling clearing elemental QTE...
Lol
Can u post stats please
Just dupes ele atk charge speed skills
final wigeon
S7 clear of Kraken with full auto **aside from manualling clearing elemental QTE...
If crown had had her invincibility up
She would've survived and you would still have a burst rotation 
oak robin
**NERO + MORAN COMPS
Moran Nero HelmTr Rapunzel Mana**
14.14 + 35.14 + 17 + 9.69 = 75.97% damage taken reduction for everyone
42.15 + 35.14 + 17 + 9.69 >= 100% damage reduction for Nero
at 3 RL
This team features lifesteal + double revive + 2 Full Burst rotations + Helm nuke + Mana charge speed/frontline pressure
This is stupid
woven ivy
Can u post stats please
Added!
final wigeon
Crown
> - LB0
> - 10/10/10
> - +5/+5/+5/+5 OLs, SR5 doll
> - 137.86% Max Ammo, 1...
That's it??
final wigeon
No atk on RRH?
woven ivy
Nope!
woven ivy
I focused element
and ammo
Ran out of soft locks
Btw, the stats are in the message directly below the video, so probably don't need to pin. It's kind of long
obtuse summit
Can do s7 kraken on phone now (landscape mode)
obtuse summit
Im so close to s7 on phone 😂
U tried with widescreen?
drifting garden
What's this sheet? Looks useful
woven ivy
It's a personal sheet of mine 
stark hawk
woven ivy
I found myself failing to properly focus on units' OL lines just by looking at numbers, so I made a grading system for myself since seeing anything below A would frustrate me
drifting garden
Ah I see, very nice
modest parcel
I've been able to do s7 on phone with the old sbs alice team, but was effort since had to fast charge with alice. the mana-noir combo is way comfier so that's a nice step up
hope to one day do the near auto version
spice flume
Can do s7 kraken on phone now (landscape mode)
what's your team OL lines?
remote storm
Crown
> - LB0
> - 10/10/10
> - +5/+5/+5/+5 OLs, SR5 doll
> - 137.86% Max Ammo, 1...
is ssakura better than noir? or just the same but u dont have ssakure build?
gritty ice
Noir better if they are same built
woven ivy
My S Sakura is 10/10/10, +5/+5/+5/+0, SR5 doll, 63.65% ele, 10.24% ATK, so she's definitely built
But S Sakura doesn't help the team
Without her burst, she loses too much DPS
Noir does about the same damage but provides ATK and ammo to everyone (especially important for Rapi)
woven ivy
Ah yeah, Grave is fun, too
modest parcel
noir giving energy is a huge benefit too, since sbs ssak teams are normally hurting on that
woven ivy
Yeah, the burst gen is the biggest benefit
With Noir, you can get to full burst before Kraken sinks (if playing actively), so you only lose like 3s max
With Naga, I remember just burst as it sinks and pretty much losing a full burst to the QTE
spice flume
Cost 55 pulls
🐳
obtuse summit
what's your team OL lines?
Crown: 3x atk, 2 ammo
Rapi: 2x atk, 3 ammo
Sbs: 3x atk, 1 ammo, 2 ele
Mana: 2x atk, 1 ammo, 2 ele
Noir: 2x atk, 1 ammo, 1 ele
modest parcel
would rec noir instead of ssak, I tried out ssak after my noir clear and it was a good chunk worse
my noir is pretty trash compared to my ssak too, 1 ele r0doll on noir vs 4 ele r15doll on ssak
remote storm
tried that semi auto team u need real good OLs, need to hit 3bil before the 2nd big slam in the second phase
otherwise u not going to hit stage 7 consistent
oak robin
Im getting her
woven ivy
I don't think it would work on my main account
oak robin
But im not gearing her
modest parcel
I tried copying your semiauto as well (my mana has no ele, noir has much less, sbs similar), first try got very close, only had like 200m left when it went underwater
woven ivy
Yeah, gearing her immediately probably isn't ideal
oak robin
I will just slap her ass with t9m or t90 gear
modest parcel
then every other try afterwards failed miserably because someone died early to missiles or shots
woven ivy
Investing now should probably just be for people who really want the comfy in Kraken
woven ivy
I'm not investing in her on my main yet
That's why I'm testing on alt
Alt is meant for wind and fire investment, so next raid is a wash for it
modest parcel
I will say that with my shitty mana (just ols, no useful lines on them), she already makes kraken a ton comfier (on manual) then sbs+alice due to enabling the mana+noir version
woven ivy
Mhm
modest parcel
reaches s7 at a similar time too
woven ivy
I was actually stunned to get 20s faster major QTE
oak robin
oak robin
I only do that to cp padders
modest parcel
I will be investing in her for future kraken so I have no issues oling now
modest parcel
plus I'm drowning in missilis attacker gear anyway so really don't care
modest parcel
I got plenty of fodder too, still have like 900 t9's left after oling her, so all good
oak robin
U will leave Kraken
woven ivy
Yeah, and? Other bosses still give rocks
oak robin
Make it as long as possible
oak robin
Yeah thats why ur solo raid score is s-
woven ivy
T9M selectors
modest parcel
you have fun doing that, I'll make all these kraken runs until then comfier
oak robin
T9M selectors
Ok that is understandable
woven ivy
Yeah thats why ur solo raid score is s-
My solo raid score is fine
modest parcel
I'm not a spender, but plenty of fodder so all good
oak robin
But someone told me not to get the $55 selector
Useless
Just wait for better deals
They said
bold musk
So, is mana worth pulling?
woven ivy
If you have spare resources
modest parcel
just look at the pin, big writeup there
woven ivy
or don't believe in wishlist
But ye, pins
My opinion is that she's a nice unit to have, but not a necessity right now
Unless you're working on Kraken runs, at least wait until we get kits for next banner
bold musk
Compared to Asuka or whatever the good Eva unit was?
woven ivy
Mana more a support sub-DPS than a full DPS unit
so Rei would be the comparison
She's not going to get remotely close to SBS ever
oak robin
Compared to Asuka or whatever the good Eva unit was?
Mana impact is similar to Maxwell's impact
Not for SBS specifically
But more like everything considered
hexed trout
in pvp if mana resses a killed nikke do the enemies target skip?
or is her ress so fast they don't even skip
spice flume
lone bloom
translate the important parts pls 
final wigeon
Can Mana replace Noir if my SSakura is well built?
Yes
icy jungle
nice, hopefully that would mean its enough to make it to stage 9
currently i always make it half way to 8
gritty ice
this girl definitely get a juicy skin
gritty ice
thats why she will get more
i can imagine that tight summer skin
or office setting
harsh junco
gritty ice
New Character "Mana" Overview
The new character "Mana" functions as both a healer and a sub-attacker, contributing to an ideal wind-pressure attribute team composition. However, considering upcoming collaboration gacha events, it's a difficult decision whether to pull for her now.
Highlights
🛡️ Mana possesses both healer and sub-attacker capabilities.
⚔️ The assault rifle is easy to use but lacks any special traits.
💖 Grants a 58% attack buff at the start of battle.
🔄 Heals all allies every 10 attacks.
🔄 Has a skill that revives fallen allies.
⏳ Provides a rare buff that shortens charge time.
💥 Burst skill deals continuous damage.
Key Insights
💡 Mana ranks among the top-tier healers, offering exceptionally high healing output, especially as a passive healer.
💡 The assault rifle's performance is standard, making skill-based support crucial. Buffs must be utilized to compensate for damage output.
💡 The attack buff at the start of battle helps mitigate DPS issues and increases team composition flexibility.
💡 The revival skill is useful as a safety net and impacts strategic play in Arena battles.
💡 The charge speed buff is particularly effective for certain attackers, expanding team-building options.
💡 The burst skill’s continuous damage has a high multiplier, and combining it with other buffs can further boost overall damage.
💡 With the upcoming Evangelion collaboration event, it's crucial to carefully consider whether to pull for Mana now.
Summary
Mana offers exceptional healing and valuable support skills, making her a strong addition to many teams. However, considering future collaboration banners, players should weigh their priorities before deciding to pull.
hexed trout
if you would rank top 3 healers based on healing alone does mana make the cut?
gritty ice
You would go to a wrong route looking at healing alone, few top healers are not really meta
harsh junco
https://discord.com/channels/968096627002851379/1329052984226611200/132955650065...
モモさん(<.>)
golden zodiac
For overall kraken sbs is still better with alice right
Like if u want to t9 for example
gritty ice
usually Alice SBS will clear it most of time since the Investment on SSakura/Noir/Mana dont really allow it unless u like them alot or get lucky on initial rolls
half verge
So Mana is a win, nice
gritty ice
usually Alice SBS will clear it most of time since the Investment on SSakura/Noi...
prolly can s9 very easy with this comp as long as sbs fully fixed and just need 1-2 ed lines on other wind
chrome wigeon
how much burst gen mana do on pvp ? thanks
mint oyster
prolly can s9 very easy with this comp as long as sbs fully fixed and just need ...
what if my sakura is more built than noir
gritty ice
what if my sakura is more built than noir
then u slot in ssakura i got shiet ol on ssakura and i reset her so i cant tell anything
wanton pumice
but burst gen would be kinda shit
mint oyster
mint oyster
I couldn’t go over 4b on phone before but it gets stonker now
gritty ice
are we in a "create a problem then sell solution" timeline
mint oyster
always has been
mint oyster
that score was with crown dying and being resurrected
keen compass
So how does mana s2 work?
final wigeon
So how does mana s2 work?
Like we already thought it did
gritty ice
are u farming rank?
final wigeon
are u farming rank?
Who are u talking about
gritty ice
anyone here
mint oyster
So how does mana s2 work?
she gets mana bonus
half verge
Does this trigger after Snow White changes to sniper rifle when bursting?
■ Activates when entering Full Burst. Affects I ally unit(s) with the longest basic Charge Time.
Charge Time ▼ 0.18 sec for 10 sec.
Pretty pointless question I suppose
marble flicker
So her S2 self buff is indeed activated when she’s at the offburst rotation? 
gritty ice
fallen viper
Whats the team for with the Kraken with her?
drifting flicker
She is the best 👍
she just blinks back into existence, ok
spice flume
Whats the team for with the Kraken with her?
Crown rapipi sbs mana noir
fallen viper
awesome thank you
cloud vessel
How is her burst regen in PvP?
acoustic fossil
soooo is she worth it??
hexed trout
yeah she's a nice pull
wanton pumice
soooo is she worth it??
atm the only real purpose is helping you achieve stage 7 on kraken AI comfortably on a phone or even in general
assuming you have a good scarlet black shadow
any other purpose needs further testing when the time comes (union raid, solo raid etc)
acoustic fossil
atm the only real purpose is helping you achieve stage 7 on kraken AI comfortabl...
Wait legit?? I use both sbs and s.sakura
wanton pumice
can you already reach stage 7 comfortably?
mana buffs sbs as long there's no other rocket launcher/sniper unit
woven ivy
Wait legit?? I use both sbs and s.sakura
Mana outperforms S Sakura as long as your SBS isn't really weak
I also used SBS + Sakura until now
wanton pumice
depends on your priority
if you can already comfortably s7 kraken everyday with no mana
then it's not that urgent
also depend on how f2p you are in this game
mighty breach
is mana a 10 10 10 kinda nikke?
wanton pumice
nope