[Asuka: WILLE] New Unit Megathread

[iron brook]

Actually two blacklines is technically enough

[dry pine]

170%, plus doll for 9.5%, 179.5%? Maybe, if you're fast enough

[iron brook]

Oh wait

My math was bad, but yeah three properly good max ammo lines is def enough

[dry pine]

Okay let's see what super fast is, to establish the minimum. Basically the, "you got lower than this? You ain't getting infinite"

I think it's a 2 seconds of non-burst time

Any faster is insane

So 10s first cycle, 2s generating burst, 9s second cycle

21 seconds

[iron brook]

Fuck do I need to get a third max ammo line

[dry pine]

Since 4 seconds is 240 shots, just subtract it for lazy math

[iron brook]

[dry pine]

Means if you have 660 or less ammo, it's impossible without additional ammo manipulation from team

Probably ~730 is impossible still since it was lazy math

[iron brook]

I mean 660 is easy

That's just +120% right

[dry pine]

You can also start to compensate for it by forcing her to reload when team exits burst cycle too (the cycle she didn't burst)

[runic leaf]

Maybe liter can help

[violet atlas]

[dry pine]

So... with Lv.10 burst with Bastion

under 730 ammo - definitely have to force her to reload before she bursts
between 730-900 - depends on how fast you generate burst, 730 ammo needs 2s to full burst
above 900 ammo - you are safely infinite in most teams

[iron brook]

I feel like if you're not taking Crown + Resilience it's because you want her to be taking the parts damage cube

[violet atlas]

.

[iron brook]

Otherwise just take Crown + Resil and breeze through the reloads

Even in soloraid, there's not actually much of a fight for Crown anymore

SBS has maids

[upper pagoda]

for the upcoming wind raid sure

i don't think she'll be a mainstay in the crown team

[violet atlas]

no need that reload on Crown

[iron brook]

Pierce teams want Mari or Grave

[dry pine]

Is there a way to force a character to do a full reload without having to babysit her?

[violet atlas]

just stack 700+ ammo and Bastion

press cover

[dry pine]

[iron brook]

Make the whole team reload

Crown team let's Asuka W take the parts damage cube

Which I think she'll want quite a bit

When bosses have parts

Wait no

Still need Resil

[upper pagoda]

well that won't work because gatrix reported it as a bug

guck fatrix

[iron brook]

I dunno

[dry pine]

To validate that 700 ammo works, mathing it. 43% from Bastion, 21% from burst recovering ammo. Result is 1,211 effective ammo.

20.1 seconds of nonstop shooting. It fell short.

[iron brook]

And that still needs bastion

[rough parcel]

if there's a bug delay soloraid and give more batteries and kits compenstaion plz

[iron brook]

I think just accept you need to swap to her and force a reload after end of burst

Which means take Helm with her

[dry pine]

730 ammo is the exact amount needed to get 21 seconds of nonstop shooting with Bastion and Lv.10 burst

[iron brook]

For good burst gen without manual spam

[dry pine]

Updating my posts

[iron brook]

Helm or Grave

[violet atlas]

it goes like this

[iron brook]

Yeah, if Helm Treasure is brought, can babysit Asuka during the two seconds of no-burst

[violet atlas]

at lv 4, with Bastion lv 7, you need 837 ammo on her to reload once every end of her burst

[iron brook]

Then don't need Bastion or Resilience

[violet atlas]

at lv 7, put 816

[iron brook]

Can take 30% parts damage instead

[violet atlas]

at lv 10, put 797

as you can see, burst barely matters

bastion matters

the logic goes like this

call X as max ammo.

At her own burst, her current ammo will be X - 240 (4s non burst) - 600 (other FB) + 21% of X = 540

so X = 1140 ammo

Bastion increases your effective ammo by 1.43, so 1140 / 1.43 = 797 ammo

[upper pagoda]

4s for non burst is slow

[violet atlas]

amount of ammo required

yeah I put 4s to be sure

3s is common these days

[iron brook]

I think it's too much investment just to not babysit during off-burst

[violet atlas]

3 lines of ammo are normal wdym?

[upper pagoda]

you should put 3s "to be sure"

[dry pine]

And my 900 used 5s lol

[upper pagoda]

bc the longer you take

the more ammo you need

[violet atlas]

[dry pine]

4s is fine, all sorts of mishaps can happen

[violet atlas]

I put 4s that's safer than 3s

may be I should put 5s

[dry pine]

So 4s is 800 ammo at Lv.10 burst for infinite?

[violet atlas]

anyway, for 5s or 4s, 3 lines of ammo are recommended

[iron brook]

This raid there's no parts, but in future I think being able to take the new cube instead will be a notable damage buff

[violet atlas]

then you will need A LOT of ammo

without Bastion

[iron brook]

No, then you abandon the infinite ammo goal and just reload off-burst

[violet atlas]

damn baby sitting

[iron brook]

So just need enough ammo to get through a burst

If a boss has parts up all fight..... Yeah it's worth baby sitting her

Just means she needs someone with good burst gen on auto

Instead of a pierce sniper

[violet atlas]

just put Grave

[iron brook]

Grave or Helm, yeah

[violet atlas]

imagine microing between unit

definitely not me practising piano on C34

[dry pine]

Mathed by Gatrix or w/e his name is now . 1st image: 4s to burst, 2nd image: 5s to burst.

If you want W Asuka to be safely infinite in a team that takes up to (for Lv. 10/7/4 burst):

• ~4s to burst, with Bastion, you need 165.85%/172.31%/179.07% ammo.
• ~5s to burst, with Bastion, you need 177.41%/184.15%/191.20% ammo.

Examples of satisfying your infinite ammo dreams with Bastion and Lv.4 burst if your team is:

• ~4s to burst:
  • x2 of 60.71% ammo + x1 of 52.50% ammo + doll's 9.5% ammo.
  • x3 of 60.71% ammo.
  • x2 of 85.37% + doll's 9.5% ammo.
• ~5s to burst:
  • x3 of 60.71% ammo + doll's 9.5% ammo.
  • x3 of 64.82% ammo.

Praise Bastion.

[haughty jackal]

So asuka yeah?

[unborn quail]

reduce fps for slower fire rate = needs less ammo lines 🧠

[haughty jackal]

Big brain indeed

[iron brook]

My Asuka Rei team is notably worse this morning

As I fight Kraken, with same cubes, same OLs, etc

Gone from between 7&8 to between 6&7

Any noticed a similar drop in performance?

Nvm my phone had updated and set the internal fps limit to something below 60, fucking MG

[violet atlas]

oh anti updated the review

no more trace

[royal meadow]

is kraken BiS

Rapi:RH, Maid Mast, Maid Anchor, SBS, and Asuka:WILLE?

[twin valve]

rrh crown sbs asuka helmT

[alpine rain]

Crown Rapi SBS AsukaW Helm

[royal meadow]

mmm what if I don't got helmT yet

[alpine rain]

Naga

[royal meadow]

okay naga still

thanks

[runic leaf]

Should beat it if max skill rei maybe

[dry pine]

Nice score

[runic leaf]

nvm i did it

lol

[dry pine]

Kraken's dead?

[runic leaf]

Yes

[dry pine]

What were your OLs on W Asuka and TN Rei?

Got the summaries from that community app?

[runic leaf]

Asuka 4ele 4 atk 2 ammo
Rei 4ele 1 atk

[dry pine]

Yeah but the %s... like 110% ele dmg?

Hoping to find out since, I know I barely cleared Kraken with my BS Scarlet and Alice, by 1-2 seconds from time out

[runic leaf]

I will try to improve my OL first

[dry pine]

Nooo

That'd ruin the authenticity of the clear info

[tame slate]

Somehow got 2 back to back SINGLE pull copies and got her to C1

[shadow igloo]

C7

Do it

[obtuse acorn]

dew it

[shadow igloo]

[obtuse acorn]

[crude whale]

why u keep puling when u alrdy had her mlb?

[tame slate]

Body labels

[cold cedar]

AsukaW worth pulling with no rei? I'm wondering if she's better than Alice for kraken

[iron brook]

Absolutely

ReiT is only relevant for wind weak raids it seems

While AsukaW will likely appear in all future raids

[cold cedar]

Great, was about to skip because I have no interest in competitive raids but if she's good for kraken I'll get her

[iron brook]

RapiRH/Crown/SBS/Asuka/Helm or Alice is the new strongest team for Kraken

Can't remember if Helm or Alice was better for the fifth slot, I think Helm (with Treasure)

Oh wait

It's probably maids

Either way Asuka > Alice for wind weak bosses

[cold cedar]

Alright

Thanks for the info

[shadow igloo]

The consoles are the real cook in late game

300+ lvl and you can clear anomaly even with 70-75 ele

[haughty jackal]

Cook

[cold cedar]

didn't see skill recommend on pins, is 7/7/7 fine, to max later?

[crude whale]

7/4/7

s2 is uber trash

[cold cedar]

unusually cheap for shift up standards kek

[crude whale]

for whales only? each level give like 25 atk so lvl 300 give like 7.5k
a few cores and u will get more

[cold cedar]

does someone have a kraken run reference with sbs asukaw? i'm not sure how's the best way to go without alice

for kraken anomaly i mean

[crude whale]

something like this?

my w.asuka has 0 ammo

[cold cedar]

that yeah, thanks

gonna be a while until i get used to no alice

[shadow igloo]

7,5k is a lot

[crude whale]

lvl 400 mlb atk unit has like 120k atk, that is like 6%?

[shadow igloo]

Almost a doll

[crude whale]

lvl 400 core 7 atk has 140k atk

well it is an increase but having better OL will prob have bigger impact

[shadow igloo]

If you can build Core7 unit gg

[crude whale]

only those space whales going to buy those consoles instead of molds tho?

[shadow igloo]

Nah, consoles>molds

[crude whale]

fr?

[shadow igloo]

Yup

[crude whale]

[shadow igloo]

Trust in the process

[crude whale]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[frosty cosmos]

Only for dolphin and whales

[shadow igloo]

I'm not whaling and molds are shit imo

[lean smelt]

instead of pulling dupes on wille imma just try to min-max sbs lines instead

[dry pine]

What do you think red and green console priority should be if I have a choice?

There are 4 red consoles (manu names) and 3 green consoles (class names)

Pilgrim Console was a nice obvious choice, but it’s now maxed

[lean smelt]

you can max those?

I assume you just use body labels for it?

[dry pine]

It’s the same level cap as Re-Energize (aka the blue consoles)

Yes

Basically the very thing that was talked about here with consoles > molds lol

[lean smelt]

what's the conclusion

[dry pine]

Well, I barely cleared Kraken while having that, I didn’t feel like I was godly or something and it was difficult

But the team only had one Pilgrim carry in it

The consoles give very tiny benefits lol

[lean smelt]

benefits on console lvls always increase linear yeah?

[dry pine]

In any case, I need a new target for the consoles

[lean smelt]

lvl 160 has double the buffs of 80?

[dry pine]

No? Idk? One sec

Better to just get you the current total

[lean smelt]

I'm gonna need to miss out on 160 gold molds to max my pilgrim I think

96 lvls away

[dry pine]

+25 ATK and +5 DEF per 50 Pilgrim Console atm

[lean smelt]

[lean smelt]

how much base atk do your dps have rn

[dry pine]

[dry pine]

Sheet atk? Or actual base before everything including OLs?

[lean smelt]

actual base or sheet

[dry pine]

I can only easily get the sheet atk.. okay

So which dps

[lean smelt]

pilgrim attacker

[dry pine]

I choose Harran?

[lean smelt]

ok well built

rh

[dry pine]

BS Scarlet with doll and maxed OLs

[lean smelt]

also what manu console is your lowest rn

the lvl of it

[frosty cosmos]

[dry pine]

Abnormal at 136

[lean smelt]

just trying to figure out how much gain it even is

so that's +4600 atk on your pilgrims compared to no special invest (abnormal lvl essentially)

[frosty cosmos]

Few dupe, but small for his sync, big for sr where he not even tryhard

[lean smelt]

eh 1% atk gain

higher than I thought tbh

[dry pine]

153 other real manu, which are tied between Elysion and Missilis

1% So tiny

[lean smelt]

yeah I prob won't do this for a while, got too many units I'd rather gamble to get dupes on

[dry pine]

I guess it doesn’t matter what I prioritize next then

[lean smelt]

you converted approx 9.2k pilgrim consoles

[dry pine]

I’ll just hoard until something happens

[lean smelt]

if I mathed right that's equiv to 306 full gold molds?

[dry pine]

Idk

[crude whale]

should be around 300 yea

183 or so non prilgrim nikkes

[lean smelt]

[crude whale]

We went to omni discord to get some other ppls views, tldr: margin of error of improvement is so little it doesnt rly matter what u choose (for coop console does has impact coz u get synced very low)

[lean smelt]

makes sense

[shadow igloo]

Also if you already max core Alice helm and idk.. your waifu, buy consoles

[crude whale]

I need core 7 pvp units to pad cp

[shadow igloo]

I need core 7 pilgrim units xD

[dry pine]

I guess the only thing left is maybe Defender Console to maximize Cinderella dps

[shadow igloo]

Free Cindy dmg

[dry pine]

Otherwise, Elysion to maximize Rapi Hood dps

And all the new juicy Elysions like Helm treasure

Surely Miss Forehead will get her day too

Rapi Hood being Over-Spec with two elements is probably the only time it'll happen

Otherwise we can bring two Nikkes to counter 4 elements in two slots

[crude whale]

They going to do more of those stuff for sure

In 2 years they will release an unit who counter s all 5

[dry pine]

Liliweiss: One Punch

[trim kelp]

real

So this is the new meta kraken ill copy it. only i have a question but does wille with rei tent can surpass a fully invested rh?

[crude whale]

Sbs + wasuka for highest dmg tho, uuh w.asuka on her own alrdy kinda surpass rh, rh needs core to do some decent dmg

[trim kelp]

oh i see.. In the case that i dont have sbs ssakura still works? im still planning to get reit would she still improve further the dmg or not really necessary on kraken?

[crude whale]

If u dont have sbs then w.asuka + reit is better than some ssakura combi i think, alrdy saw some ppl clear stage 9 with this wasuka +reit

[trim kelp]

Alright thank u

[fast pebble]

Get monkey pawed

Now SU will introduce stage with 2 boss

Both have different elements

Or single boss with ability to change element

And introduce more dual element nikke to powercreep the older single element nikke

[iron brook]

Monkey's Paw curls again, Snow White alt whose elemental advantage is random everytime she bursts

[fast pebble]

[odd sluice]

if anyone is gonne be overspec soon it's absolute

[runic leaf]

very very close now

[haughty jackal]

Woahzinga

[fast pebble]

maybe mihara too

was mihara is actually the first non-pilgrim, non-heretic nikke to get a new form on screen?

when was her side story released?

[autumn shard]

Remembering off-hand, I think we saw the Overspec versions of Absolute first

[sharp kestrel]

where's the skill level recommendation in the pins smh

[dry pine]

I think I had one and it was removed, I guess

Wait, no... looks like I only wrote it for TN Rei

Midsuka

[frosty cosmos]

Cmon click on the link, watch some ads

[sharp kestrel]

[dry pine]

Juratus's skill priority for W Asuka:

Minimal: 4/4/4
Suggested: 7/4/4

Benefits of Suggested: Most of W Asuka's damage is in her S1

[sharp kestrel]

good thing I'm not a chrome user who got shafted by that ublock thing

[dry pine]

I leave out maximum or 10s investment because you can think for yourself and go that far if you want. Or at least that's my answer to everybody else Also weighs less heavily on my mental health

Prydwen's skill priority for W Asuka:

Minimum: 7/4/4
Recommended: 10/7/7
Maximum: 10/10/10

Is that what the colors mean?

Saving lazy people

[violet atlas]

oh no they are stealing Anti ads

[real otter]

SU trolling me

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[shadow igloo]

Uuu no black defense line

[lean smelt]

reroll for that triple black line

[iron brook]

I mean black crit is a really good third line??

Lock it and get Elemental & ATK as the other two

[obtuse acorn]

Do i want this crit rate line?

• 10.94% ele
• 7.07% crit rate (black)
• 27.84% ammo

With this I have 4 ele 3 atk 3 ammo 1 crit rate 1 def.
Am I missing out much having 7.07% crit rate comparing to let's say 11% atk?

[lean smelt]

seems fine

[iron brook]

ATK works out approx twice as good as crit

So you'd need a high ATK line to be better off

What I mean is black ATK = double black crit

[lean smelt]

plus you also gotta reaquire that ele line or risk it on a double lock

just stay with it

[iron brook]

Since it's black and not normal crit I'd say definitely keep it

[obtuse acorn]

Ok

I suppose that means locking the black line to reset % too

[iron brook]

It's probably equivalent to ~7% ATK from memory of napkin math I did

So yeah could be better but that's gonna be a fuck tonne of rocks to do so

Yes

[obtuse acorn]

Now the question would be what prayer posture should I use to get good ele % and ammo % without double locking?

[violet atlas]

may be I should make a gif using these 2 pics

[dry pine]

I felt like taking W Asuka to 4/4/4 and giving her OLs.

She is leaving T9Ms and 1/1/1 hell

W Asuka gained from 4 rocks

23.52% ele
23.62% atk
11.42% crrate
16.44% crdmg
68.93% ammo

Result in my Wind weak shooting range tests with a specific team:
+68% dmg gained (over T9Ms 4/4/4)

Means so far for her: 1 rock = 17% dmg gain

[iron brook]

Yeah Asuka W needs OLs lol

The first max ammo is basically a requirement to fire for a whole full burst

[dry pine]

She still needs more, imo, and boots have only crrate and crdmg

[iron brook]

And she has no elemental damage in her kit (nor is there a wind support who gives it) so it's huge for her

[dry pine]

So I’ll reroll that and see what I get

I accidentally closed the game so another time

[iron brook]

I'm going all in on mine, 12 lines or death

But that's definitely overkill

[sweet trellis]

if you don't die doing this i will be impressed

[shadow igloo]

12 lines in like 150-200 rocks being lucky

More than 2 months

Good luck with that

[crude whale]

11 lines

im alrdy like 35+ rocks in, seen 0 ammo lines

[iron brook]

I'm almost there, will definitely get it done, only question is whether I get that last ATK line before Soloraid/can reroll stats for the few lines still too low

[crude whale]

u have enough ammo with that build?

[iron brook]

I need to reload between bursts

But I've decided that's better than running a bastion no-reload setup

Because in future, bosses will actually have parts

So she'll be wanting the parts cube

My real question is whether I reroll that 44% max ammo's stats or not

I'm leaning towards not

112% makes her reload roughly 0.5 seconds before Rei's (or other B3) full burst ends if constant shooting (always an enemy on screen)

And so theoretically a tiny bit more would be nice

But this way I don't have to worry about her being ready for her own burst, which is where the damage really happens

So I don't have to babysit her

Which is great when apparently Helm/any other burst gen Nikke has higher burst gen if you're focused on her??? Which I swear the game has never told us about.

[sweet trellis]

do you remember how many rocks did you put into it?

[crude whale]

they did told everyone ....

that green bar

only for charge weapons, so RL and SR

something they added to compasate for quick firing with them for burst gen

but every high ranker / top preformer still quick fires

[iron brook]

Green bar?

And I saw the RL and SR fix but didn't realise it only applied when focused on them

Guess I missed that part

[crude whale]

yea green bar next to the charge bar

[iron brook]

I haven't been counting

I had 60 rocks when she released and all I've gotten since then from Kraken every day

[iron brook]

I'll have to look closer

Regardless just ran some tests on Kraken and yeah 110% is the sweet spot

Where you don't have to babysit her, she'll reload right before her burst perfectly

Maybe a bit less if you don't have ReiT so need more windup time

[iron brook]

Subtract ~8 rocks getting Rei T 4 decent lines lol. I'll be twelve lining her next.... Maybe.

[sweet trellis]

you've done it very well

[lean smelt]

I think imma just slap sr0 onto wille

otherwise I gotta wait until next sr for a chance to get blue mg

[earnest rapids]

dont do it

she's SSS tier in bossing

deserve at least sr5, sr0 to sr5 is real pain

[violet atlas]

what's the diff between SR 5 and SR 0

1.8% ATK, 2% dmg reduction

[iron brook]

A negligible amount of max ammo too

[lean smelt]

like is there any way I would wanna max doll wille anytime soon

my og asuka is still r15, xlud is sr5, xmaiden is sr0

bc if sr5 is the recommended invest, then imma just go sr0, saving me 150-200 blue mats, and a blue mg doll, plus being able to actually have a doll on her for this raid

[earnest rapids]

ThInK AbOuT tHe LonG TeRm IVestMenT

[twin valve]

depends on how much you care about pvp units

if you only focus on pve dps, you should be close to getting all of them to sr5 at least as of right now

I only have 9 dps units left

after that only pvp units and support units left

[autumn shard]

Depends if you're still trying to clear Kraken Anomaly Interception or not.

And whether you still need any more of the current Treasure units.

Treasure Helm is the real prize of the latest set of Treasure units. Treasure Drake is the Fire B3 for the Shotgun team. Treasure Miranda makes Snow White teams way more consistent and less frustrating to play.

Whereas sadly, Treasure Milk just sort of... exists. Unless you really want to see her Treasure scenes, she's a pretty poor investment in terms of resources

But if you have the three major Treasure units for this rotation, and you need a little push to get a full clear on Anomaly Kraken, it honestly wouldn't be the worst investment

That being said, Asuka Wille is almost exclusively for Iron bosses / Solo Raids. Assuming you have 5-10 main attackers for each element, you probably wouldn't use Asuka that frequently.

So... there are ton of other Attackers who are probably much higher priorty.

[upper pagoda]

just don't be unlucky

[autumn shard]

As @echo echo just mentioned, an SR0 doll will probably suffice in most situations

MG Dolls just give a slight bonus in ammo, so it really depends on how much you value giving an extra 6k to AsukaW from leveling a SR0 doll to SR15

[shadow igloo]

The important shit on MH doll are the 9k+ atk

[autumn shard]

Yeah, but SR0 dolls start at 3k and you get an extra 2k ATK for every 5 levels after that.

Also, putting aside treasures, some of the other doll types have slightly better returns in terms of leveling.

[upper pagoda]

like what

[autumn shard]

like AR Dolls giving bonus Core damage

so leveling a doll for say, Snow White, has pretty significant returns

[upper pagoda]

SW hasn't been used consistently since forever

[autumn shard]

Whereas SR15 MG Doll upgrades max out at giving an extra ~25ish ammo

True, still---the same is probably going to be said about Asuka W. She's going to be a consistent star in Iron content

[upper pagoda]

also you have to contextualize 25 ammo for Asuka W

25 ammo for Asuka comes down to about 41 ammo

and secondly, having 9.5% more ammo on your doll saves you rocks and flexibility when rerolling your OLs

[autumn shard]

And Snow White with Treasure Miranda has a pretty easy clear with Anomaly Interception Ultra

No more fishing for crits anymore.

It's true that 9k bonus ATK is nothing to sniff at when we're probably going to use Asuka primarily in content where her level is locked to 400

It's just that there may be relative tradeoffs involved.

[upper pagoda]

yeah really depends where you're at with your doll roster situation

[autumn shard]

Personally, I got good Max Ammo lines for Asuka W, so I don't need the ammo as much, but I'll probably level her up once I'm finished with Treasure Drake

[upper pagoda]

i'm at a point where every significant doll is done on meta units

[autumn shard]

for easier Kraken clears.

[upper pagoda]

so AsukaW is pretty much a no brainer for me

i think i finished SR15 on her on day 1

[earnest rapids]

attacker MG units argubly got the worst return from SR15 doll

so keep that in mind

[upper pagoda]

again, context

[earnest rapids]

what i said is regardless of context

[upper pagoda]

okay then lol

[twin valve]

is this fine @upper pagoda

I think this is prolly current pve tier list

for dolls

[earnest rapids]

can't combine dps and support in term of doll priority

and also doll aren't strictly about dmg increase, it's more about survivability

[twin valve]

when was the last time it was about survivability

during first eva collab

bsoda and mpriv needed dolls to survive

thats it

i just based it in terms of usage

you can definitely skip sw if you want to focus on a specific element

rapi RH doesnt get buffed as much but shes dealing so much damage that is kinda stupid not to sr15 her

[upper pagoda]

yeah, and same applies for AsukaW

people are hyperfocusing on the ammo and idk why

[earnest rapids]

Rapipi is also bis for campaign

AsukaW, not so much

[twin valve]

i need nitro soon

[twin valve]

well she is on a higher tier

[upper pagoda]

idk if left-right on your tier list matters but helm is so insanely OP that i might put her right after Alice

[twin valve]

asukaW is on a lower tier but in pve terms theres not many units you can put dolls on before her

unless, again, youre planning to focus on a specific element

[earnest rapids]

in wind weak you will still use alice sbs though (for campaign)

[twin valve]

hence why theyre higher tier

[earnest rapids]

also MG doll is a scam

[twin valve]

i only arranged the tier 2 by elements, didnt arrange left to right

[earnest rapids]

the effect suck ass

[twin valve]

yeah but the atk stat buff tho

[upper pagoda]

bro you're in a thread called #1320717927326027876

if you're gonna make baseless statements without the unit in context then bring your point elsewhere lol

[earnest rapids]

in general, MG doll effect is one of the weakest

[upper pagoda]

[earnest rapids]

that doesn't even need context

[twin valve]

MG effect may be ass but would you rather sr15 exia who will be used 2/5th of the time less than asuka?

[upper pagoda]

yap_is_back

[twin valve]

that is what you need to decide @earnest rapids

its a personal preference at that point

[earnest rapids]

isn't that the whole point ?

[upper pagoda]

also i think drake and bsoda are in SW tier right now

[twin valve]

the point is that its not about effects its about how youre planning to structure your account

[earnest rapids]

he's talking in his own context and i'm talking in my own context and he said i'm yapping

nice

[twin valve]

i think sg pretty strong still 🤔
only 1 raid they werent used in

this think emoji sucks

[earnest rapids]

SG effect itself is strong

[upper pagoda]

2 raids no?

[twin valve]

just MatH iirc

[upper pagoda]

both mat h and modernia

[earnest rapids]

there are still many SG team in Mat H raid

[twin valve]

no core modernia, i think sg was decently used

ill check

[twin valve]

not really rates really low

ill share, wait

[runic leaf]

S.sakura to bottom

[earnest rapids]

we're too biased by top 50 data

that's the only data we have, sure

[upper pagoda]

anyway, the introduction of AsukaW made it so that it's possible to make 5 good teams without SG so it's natural that the SG has fallen in terms of prio

[earnest rapids]

but SG is still an okay comfy team for low invest acc

for mat H at least

[upper pagoda]

they can scrape by to a team 5 on non-core bosses but they need something more than Drake to become staple again

[twin valve]

mod sr (left), math sr (middle), dragon sr (right)

A2 was used over sg team in modernia, i forgot

[twin valve]

but with drakeT now i dont think that happens again

very rare occurance

[upper pagoda]

on fire, maybe

Drake is strong but not that strong

[earnest rapids]

I love how SU creating like 3 staple teams in less than half a year

seamaids sbs/aice, AsukaW ReiT, Cindy Rouge

1 banner team

1 team left

[twin valve]

if we just go like, pure neutral teams
we have like

• rrh grave asuka rei mod
• cindy rouge sanis mari xmaiden
• DWife Mast sbs alice Anchor
• Liter Crown Asuka Rei Mod
• Tiga Volume RH xLud
• Tove Blanc BSoda DrakeT Noir
• MirandaT Dolla SW HelmT Yulha

[upper pagoda]

i don't think you can completely count out rh xlud at this point

[twin valve]

tiga rh xlud and bunnies tove ig

[upper pagoda]

yeah and you can quickly see why SG's spot is pretty iffy once you include xlud rh

conditionally playable, essentially

[twin valve]

at that point its pierce vs no pierce

ig

[upper pagoda]

pierce/core/effective range ye

[earnest rapids]

no part no core, sg back

core + pierce too strong

[twin valve]

yeah seeing rh back as b3 for a raid was kinda funny lol

[earnest rapids]

pierce and core is not a bad idea

but as of now it's just free damage and that's the problem

if you're able to dish out more damage you need to take risk or involve in some high skill manuever

like SW team in Indivillia is a perfect example

[sweet trellis]

well the thing is for dolls

treasure nikke require them

would you really delay drake until you 15 all of tier 0?

i wouldn't

[earnest rapids]

that chart is more about the value you get out of said SR15 dolls

[upper pagoda]

why not

[sweet trellis]

because i'd use drake sooner than i would finish all of tier 0

[upper pagoda]

you would use all of tier 0 unconditionally in any raid

[sweet trellis]

the one time where i do need drake i would like for her to actually be functional

having red hood be stuck with a 0 doll

well here's a question does her doll even affect her burst 1 atk buff?

while she's used a lot half of the time she is used as a buffer

[upper pagoda]

yes?

[sweet trellis]

her doll increases the atk she gives to other characters but her gear does not?

that's interesting

[upper pagoda]

her gear stats does

OL stats doesn't

anyway you're also cherry picking RH in that tier

[sweet trellis]

why wouldn't i

[upper pagoda]

literally every other unit in that tier benefit more from the doll than drake

drop RH down a tier if you want

[sweet trellis]

no i wanted to know something

[upper pagoda]

but this statement doesn't hold

[sweet trellis]

i don't think drake is all that without her treasure but that's my opinion

don't care if you think it doesn't hold

[upper pagoda]

okay lol

[sweet trellis]

because honestly

i believe helm is above all of tier 0

[upper pagoda]

idk why people come into a discussion thread and then say "i dont care about your opinion"

i'm out

[sweet trellis]

yeah but it is opinion vs opinion

i say 'i believe x' and you say 'i believe y '

of course nobody is going to convince the other person

and i think helm's treasure is more impact and important than just a 15 doll on another character on the same tier

same with drake

[twin valve]

The only reason you drop Rh a tier is that SU hasn't given a coop or an SR that is iron weak for 1 year straight

Now that they're rerunning bosses we are bound to get more use from Rh since a lot of old bosses were pierce friendly

[upper pagoda]

nah i agree with placing her in that tier

previous person was just cherry picking RH to justify Drake lol

[twin valve]

Imo Rh is tier 0 easily anyways due to campaign, she's always used there

And also in every raid till now anyways

[upper pagoda]

yes, and also naturally benefiting from the SR buff

[sweet trellis]

i didn't cherry pick rh to justify drake

i picked her to understand something about dolls

but if we need to talk about justification

helm's treasure is more impactful than raising the dolls of any other tier 0 so she deserves a tier of her own

[crude whale]

agree with this one, helm without treasure/sr15 is not useable

all others just give small stats increase, helm like whole new kit

[terse vortex]

Why is xmaiden good for neutral? Aren’t her buffs are all elemental?

[twin valve]

Very high damage as off burst unit

And also a pair of rouge and cindy

[crude whale]

it is something

for the rest of the team

[terse vortex]

Ahh missed that one. Need to OL her sooner than I want to I guess

[thin coyote]

y'all having fun with wasuka while me still 30 fps bricked

[dry pine]

Fight twice to simulate 60 fps

[iron brook]

if your system can't handle 60 fps on lowest graphics settings that's really on you tbh

well, last soloraid I did have to take breaks to let my phone cool down

[earnest rapids]

Not really

This game behave like a bitch ass gf

She just does what she wants

[hallow current]

thank you hobo asuka. now i managed to beat kraken pretty free with her, unlike alice malding session
thanks for watching ❤️
https://youtu.be/l1jPz4yaubc

im broke throwing rocks at asuka. now i have 0 mats for black rei. what a shitgame

[frosty cosmos]

This pair is dirt cheap in term of investment comparing to the sbs of alice team

[hallow current]

true. sbs slashed my rock fund far too long already

[frosty cosmos]

I didnt fix sbs or alice since beginning of ai, the progression of Kraken from s7 to s9 have been purely on new nikke
-Rapipi (basically cheat code)
-mana (cheap, help easy phone kraken, bait at the end), however as good as alice naga while going with Noir, 800ml from clear
-HelmT (game changing, taking alice and naga out and expand options), around 1b short from clear
-Maids (reduce the investment on main dps but on the other hands eat too many book to compensate), 800ml short from clear (cuz no book)
-AsukaWille release: build a bit, mid, almost clear Kraken 200ml short not even trying

[dry pine]

Saving a bit of time for others, your W Asuka had: 0LB 10/7/10

Screenshot from your link in the video description

[hallow current]

yeah i was going to send you my blablalink image xd

i love blablalink

[dry pine]

I'm sitting at worse OL effects but so far only spent 8 rocks

Hoping that's enough for Solo Raid

[lean smelt]

Anyone know the avg cost of SR0 to sr5

[dry pine]

Maybe this is accurate #1247837500542681098 message

I didn't read all the surrounding stuff

[hallow current]

i've been doing this for a while. either you get it in 10-20 purples or 40 purples + 100 blues + golds if your luck is abysmal. there's no middle ground

in return you get 5 purple or 2.5 gold kits for combining since you don't expend a blue doll

[lean smelt]

this doesn't look that diff

[earnest rapids]

100% at ~35 vs 100% at ~55

that's a lot of difference

[earnest rapids]

and you got jack shit if you're "lucky" and get SR doll

[lean smelt]

yeah but that's absolute worst case

[sweet trellis]

80 at like 20 vs 80 at 30 is also adds up

[bold hawk]

Crazy rerolls

[real otter]

260 blues and counting for a R doll

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-cry-crying-regina-george-mean-girls-gif-4972263364582896520

[thin coyote]

have you ever thought of someone being g unable to have a better device

[sharp kestrel]

just don't be poor!

[mental marlin]

Do we need to 10/10/10 her skills

[dark schooner]

Can leave her at 10/7/7 tbh, unless you wanna maximize her damage.

[mental marlin]

Gotcha gotcha. Yeah I have 10/10/7 atm but I’m like… she’s not even really usable atm

Compared to most, I guess for like SR I slap her and new Rei into team4/5

But eh

[shadow igloo]

10/7/7 imo is enough

build her with good atk lines cuz she's gonna be useful against neutral too

[mental marlin]

Pain

Alright back to rolling we go

[dry pine]

Asuka seduced me

After pumping her up, I went and tried Kraken like the others did. Easily 16 seconds to spare

[shadow umbra]

Should i max her skill 1 first?

[earnest rapids]

why are you even asking

10/10/10 or bust

[shadow umbra]

For burst, maybe i can, But skill

[obtuse acorn]

What's your OL stat on asukaW and sbs?

[rapid sonnet]

yes s1 is all her dmg. s2 and burst are fine at 4 or 7

dunno what the other guys even saying even if she was 10/10/10 you can atleast say which skill is priority

[shadow igloo]

[earnest rapids]

200k at lv400

enough said

[obtuse acorn]

[shadow igloo]

Yeah good SBS

[frosty cosmos]

that damage is in range of mid investment for wasuka

OL (40-60ED, 20-30ATK etc..)

[shadow igloo]

Yeah my wasuka 87 ele 27 atk 104 ammo does 2b

And I'm still rolling her atk and ammo line

[dry pine]

I would like to grab the stats from blabla link but it asked me to rotate my tablet, so screw that

Later I’ll get from PC and share, but for now it’s something like this for W Asuka -
75% ele
10% atk
190% ammo
Some other secondaries

It’s 10/12 of what I want atm

And something like this for BS Scarlet -
100% ele
35% atk
85% ammo
12% chspd
Some secondary I forgot

It’s 11/12 of what I want atm

Going past 8/12 drains the motivation, so I’ll probably stop there ‘til next big character drops

[dry pine]

I guess I jinxed myself, I can’t log on

[dry pine]

BS Scarlet’s OLs atm

[dry pine]

W Asuka’s OLs atm

[dry pine]

Just shared ‘em

[bold hawk]

Finally got a max ammo slot. wind asuka is still gonna have to take in some copium

[obtuse acorn]

Thanks

[lean smelt]

is there some gameplay trick or tip for kraken

best I can do is 5bil

with sbs doing 2.3bil

I just shoot tentacles first phase, second phase shoot tentacles late

[sharp kestrel]

2.3bil without alice/mana buff is good

[frosty cosmos]

and wasuka and rapipi?

[lean smelt]

forgot, but not as much

asuka somewhere around 60-70% of sbs

[frosty cosmos]

1b6 ish, could get more out of her

[sharp kestrel]

i tried wasuka sbs, very comfy run. but scored 350-400m less
sbs 2.4b
wasuka 1.4b

rapipi only 520-550m

do you switch to helm when fb ends?

[lean smelt]

idk if there's some targeting settings that ppl change or something

[craggy widget]

its mostly just playing with cursor sync off

other than that there isnt really any trick for kraken

you just shoot core until it dies

[lean smelt]

cursor sync off for whole fight?

I just manually aim with max auto-aim

[craggy widget]

yeah just sync off for the entire fight

[pearl wraith]

as long as you reduce kraken's HP to zero, you should have no trouble killing it

[craggy widget]

you can turn it back on for the qte if you prefer that

[lean smelt]

not used to doing it, do I just... not aim and let it do it for me?

[craggy widget]

theres not that much movement when you play with cursor sync off tbh, you just track the core much better

its just that sometimes you lose track of where your cursor is and end up accidentally clicking out of the window

[lean smelt]

I can track the center core with max auto-aim without issues

[craggy widget]

with 100% accuracy?

because thats what sync off gives you

it also tracks the core on tentacles

[crude whale]

U guys aim core ? I just let it auto aim the core ...

[shadow umbra]

Well, it's still aim the core

[dry pine]

Something weird and interesting is it seems W Asuka can hit Kraken core when locked on its head

Even when its head cover is still on during first half of combat

I didn’t know that was possible and just assumed that the core was fully protected, requiring piercing in first half to hit

[plucky grail]

[Asuka: WILLE] New Unit Megathread

The pilot of Evangelion Unit-02 Improved.
"As long as you're fighting, Unit Two and I will help."

The brand new Attacker Type, Wind Element, Machine Gun, Burst 3 Nikke, Asuka: Wille has been announced.

plz fix

[lean smelt]

imma just throw sr0 doll onto asuka

otherwise she isn't getting doll for at least a month, and that's assuming I get blue doll next sr, which with my luck, isn't happening

also

I must be doing something wrong

my aim is dogshit with sync off

I still need to track things

I find myself shooting at nothing while the tentacle moves away fairly often...

yeah did worse

also hard to go between tentacle and core, shooting into nothing for a bit every time

4.8bil, my best sync off attempt

never doing that again

5.2bil manual, best attempt so far

yeah I'm definitely just gonna manual aim, I track it much better

[rapid sonnet]

dont need to desync unless using alice

if u cant hover core while on an mg that might just be skill issue

[lean smelt]

ig I'll prob get it once I get a 4th ele onto my asuka..

she's 30 ele lower than where I would like her to be rn

luck is pretty bad, so just gonna go for 4 ele 2 ammo 1 atk

gotta reroll value bottom right and get ele + ammo on top right

[earnest rapids]

kinda bad sbs

[silent basalt]

i have to skip rei cause of how cucked I got pulling

dont have pity for both

[tame slate]

[verbal oar]

no worries, you probably don't have the skill books for her anyway.

[earnest rapids]

close

[shadow umbra]

How much Elemental line for possible reach to 9 tier?

[dry pine]

It varies since there’s also ATK lines. But generally, 80% is doable if you have the rocks and determination

[shadow umbra]

Determination, i have. Rock? i don't

[dry pine]

Something like this
0% - cursed
10% - meh
20% - weak
30% - mid
40% - above mid
50% - ok
60% - neat
70% - nice
80% - good
90% - great
100% - wtf
110% - omg
116% - perfection

A lot of players that aren’t lucky or kept it cheap are in the 0% to 40% range

And it should be understood that it gets increasingly difficult to close in on 116%, most players stall out at 80%-90%

[shadow umbra]

Still on above mid tier

[dry pine]

You can just farm stage 7 while biding your time for a future with plenty of rocks or even more powerful characters

Going from 40% to 60% could be just a matter of fixing one OL that had no elemental damage lines at all

But the season for Wind raiding might be over

So you should wait to see what the next Solo Raid has to offer

[shadow umbra]

Yeah, i should be waiting for next Raid first
Fixing her OL can be do it when next wind-weak raid happen

[iron brook]

Yeah I'm at 95% Elemental and that's it, I'm done lol

[shadow umbra]

can you do tier 9?

[iron brook]

I could raise max ammo a bit more but this is low-key better since without bastion she reloads right before her burst, if I raise it she'll reload during her own burst without bastion, making parts damage cube or similar unusable without micromanaging her

So ultimately this is where I've capped out

116% is insanity

[toxic ingot]

Ack, forgot to C7

Account bricked

[shadow igloo]

Don't worry rerun on 2026

[earnest rapids]

3026

[dry pine]

What's she at ? C6?

[crude whale]

With 44 ele, 42 atk and 97ammo im 30mil short from stage 9

[dry pine]

Looks like you want at least 60% ele to do it with then, if no ATK%, based off what @crude whale said

42% atk is very high, the closer you get to that then the less ele you'd need, but not by much (maybe you can have 15% less ele dmg if you had 40% atk)

[toxic ingot]

C2

Had her MLB then decided to try for C7. Got two dupes in the first ten pull and got so excited about sharing that luck that I forgot to unminimize the game

[shadow igloo]

[lean smelt]

destruction cube works on kraken tentacles right

apparently no?

did noticably less when swapping asuka from lvl 11 resil to lvl 1 destruction

well ig the ele loss explains a lot of it

[frosty cosmos]

he would need more, his rapi is based copy, crown 1 star, based copy AsukaW, more ele not less

[crude whale]

U also need more if sbs does less dmg...

94/28

[frosty cosmos]

im pretty sure his sbs would deal same damage like mine, 2b

[crude whale]

Then he needs alot more

[frosty cosmos]

severely lacking in other nikkes in damage

[crude whale]

Mine does 2.5bil

[dry pine]

Makes sense

I can’t be sure of exactly what he needs, but I suppose he’ll figure it out when he tries one day

[violet atlas]

works on tentacle left too

[slate escarp]

Asuka has been killing me. Does she have a floor for ammo you're meant to stay above?

cause I feel like stopping but this is only like 110% ammo

120

[frosty cosmos]

No she doesnt, just personal reference.
U are right to stop

[dry pine]

120% ammo is fine, truly. You can be well satisfied with it

[iron brook]

This is a good stopping point

Try running on auto and check when she reloads

It should be either just before her burst, or just after it begins

If the latter it's worth considering rerolling her stats down to e.g. 110%

[iron brook]

This is without bastion, obviously. Even with it you won't reach infinite ammo at 120%, so better to run with either parts cube or Crown+Resilience

[lean smelt]

finally

getting resil from 12 to 13 for the tiny ele bump actually made noticable diff

200mil more than my best attempt with resil 12

this was my first attempt with resil 13

manual aim max autoaim

sbs (10/7/10) SR15

wille (10/4/7) SR0

[round lichen]

is she worth mileage

[crude whale]

???

[vapid wagon]

she was a collab exclusive that won't come back forever

for Wind Options, you have Scarlet Black Shadow, or wait for Summer Sakura if you don't have her

Summer Sakura will rerun on the next summer

[visual juniper]

How are we related to Dormammu

Were you a vainglory player?

[trim kelp]

tf

let vainglory die

[visual juniper]

Let this thread die

[dark narwhal]

Scrolled through the thread and didn't see this mentioned. If you reload right before Annihilation (9 second burst buff) ends, you skip long reload.
Somewhat related, with Siren and enough Max Ammo (194% works once bursts start rolling) you can hit infinite ammo with Resilience cube.

[visual juniper]

@twin valve

[sweet trellis]

Gratz

[sweet trellis]

I always do that btw

[twin valve]

guys i think

she is bugged on whale

[twin valve]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1419262705893900519

Upvote and spread the word for freebies(!)

[sly oasis]

tl:dr version ??

[twin valve]

If you break mw parts, Wasuka can't stack her S1, which means no damage taken debuff, which means no extra damage tick or sound cue for reloads

[sly oasis]

i cant see the thread bwcause im not in that server