[Asuka: WILLE] New Unit Megathread

[visual juniper]

Next is SMG meta

[lean smelt]

[iron brook]

Honestly I think it's a buff

Forces her to reload at the most convenient time every rotation

[pure glacier]

I thought that was QEQ.

[iron brook]

Well, if her forced reload was 1s later it'd be better, she does only enjoy 9 seconds of full burst

But her important buffs are all 9s anyway so whatever

[shadow igloo]

QeQ is niche water raid

[iron brook]

QeQ is a scam, built her for last raid and still only placed top 4% smh

Gimme reset already

So many skillbooks in mid water units only for tonnes of players to outDPS me with their high core high OL neutral damage Nikke

XGuillo too, scam unit

Wondering whether I should make the same mistake with Mana this raid

Quickly raise her with barely acceptable OL and skill levels for raid then watch her be mid AF anyway

[sweet trellis]

qeq seems to perform better than phantom

and winter quillotine

[lost vapor]

That because you plays Phantom wrong.

Where is pause per frame, hmm?

[sweet trellis]

i don't play them

i watch leaderboards

give your advice to the #1 player

[lost vapor]

Yeah top raiders did pause per frame last water raid

[sweet trellis]

and still qeq did better huh

[lost vapor]

nope

Phantom do better when use the trick

[sweet trellis]

they are either together

or in different teams and qeq did better

[earnest rapids]

for most players, their phantom is uninvested, so it's not like the pause trick help that much

[sweet trellis]

was there a reason for players to have an invested qeq but uninvested phantom?

i can think of one

qeq better

[earnest rapids]

bigger tits

[lost vapor]

Because Phantom only shine when you invest a lot of time into a battle.

[iron brook]

I don't think it surprising most players haven't invested in a Nikke for whom you basically need to exploit a bug to get decent damage.

[toxic ingot]

Better for a wide range of bosses

Phantom is superior if there are multiple targets consistently on-screen

by far

Phantom can surpass SBS + Alice in ideal conditions

Just the worst possible way to play the game

[iron brook]

Watch the next Nikke be a mix of Phantom & Alice

Need to pause & shoot every frame

Tbh I'm surprised we don't have a rhythm game Nikke yet

"Shoot in tune with the music for bonus damage!"

[high mountain]

I still have no idea what this means for her s2

can someone explain to me pls

[violet atlas]

After her own burst, just to make sure you dont think of every fb

[violet atlas]

Reload

Imagine putting reload word there

Intern kun: recharge speed tee hee

[high mountain]

so reload speed increased by 60%?

[violet atlas]

No

Reduced by 40%

Fixed, like exia tr

[high mountain]

hm but why "for 1 shot"?

[violet atlas]

Cuz mg

Or any non sr/rl wep

[high mountain]

I'm very dumbfounded now

[violet atlas]

They worded it super confusing here but you can say after fb, she must reload 0.932s

Then can start shooting again

[high mountain]

and the 1 shot thing is...

[violet atlas]

Ignore it

Just remember my sentence

[high mountain]

you know what, good point, my brain is too stupid for this anyway

ty for the rest of the explanation tho

[violet atlas]

Just read prywen review

I tested that

[violet atlas]

If you realllllyy want to get to the bottom of it

This means after 0.932s

You shoot ammo then reload again

Your reload goes back to 2.33s

[high mountain]

oh yeah this helps

it slows the heating speed of MG for the first bullet

jesus christ that was really confusing

[violet atlas]

not really, to break it down, you must understand how MG works first

• After reloading, check if you haven't been shooting more than 1s. If it's true, reset wind up time (2.33s)

The buff/debuff of Asuka are:

• Force the first reload after her burst ends to be 0.932s. This only happens once (hence the "first bullet"). If you shoot 2nd, 3rd... ammo then reload for whatever reasons, your reload reverts back to 2.33s
• Force the wind up becomes 4.66s over next 3s (technically 1.85s because you also reload during that duration). After 1.85s debuff ends, your wind up speed reverts back to 2.33s but minus a bit due to you also heat up during debuff interval

Hence you see why they put 60% reload. It's because it's the longest possible time they can make Asuka not shooting without triggering wind up (to sell Rei, who offsets the debuff)

[upper pagoda]

i don't think the window to reset wind up is actually 1s

[violet atlas]

0.99s

[upper pagoda]

no really

i tested 66.46% reload speed on Modernia

and after reloading

i have to wind up from scratch

even though i should have only reloaded for 0.77s

[violet atlas]

yeah cuz

[upper pagoda]

the window is much shorter than 1s i think

[violet atlas]

beside reload

your character also does the flippy floppy movement too

transitioning between shooting => cover costs some frames

[upper pagoda]

yeah

[violet atlas]

transitioning between covering => shoot costs some frames too

that 0.77s is actually more than 1s dead time

[upper pagoda]

in other words, using Rei would still cause Asuka to wind up basically

[violet atlas]

may be, of it weren't, will edit the review to remove evidence

[upper pagoda]

[twin valve]

Isn't the reload forced after burst ends ?

Always?

You lose all ammo after her own burst

Always

[violet atlas]

yeah then

[faint vine]

Is that your calendar

[rapid sonnet]

no

[crude sable]

Think of it as for one time

Force you to reload at the end of her full burst, one time, with 40% reload speed (60% reduction) regardless of buffs or cube

[iron brook]

You might be able to dodge it via e.g. Treasure Diesel shenanigans, but it's off burst so who cares tbh

[high mountain]

Yeah I got it after a while, dumbing it down is "lock reload speed at 60% after FB, remove lock after shooting once"

Right?

[crude sable]

Well yeah

As the guy above said
The purpose of locking it to 40% is to release all the MG heat so u cant have reload speed buff to bypass it

[high mountain]

I got a dumb question tho

What if asuka doesn't shoot after FB and when the next FB comes, someone with an ammo cap buff makes her reload then will she reload at 60% still?

[crude sable]

I dont see how that ever works lol

Lemme try

[earnest rapids]

your pfp is sus af

[crude sable]

The answer is yes but it is a useless fact

[high mountain]

Yeah it was a random thought I have

Ty for testing out tho

[crude sable]

Yeah they had to make it a one time reload speed fix

So they made it ties to shooting 1 time

Lol

Just some cheap coding

[high mountain]

I mean, no one would stop shooting anyway so they don't really have to code it too complicated

[crude sable]

Yeah

[crude sable]

[shadow igloo]

[iron brook]

By the same logic you can bypass her forced 60% reload with a well timed Diesel Treasure S2

Which may be relevant as future Nikke reload their allies outside of burst

[high mountain]

TN Rei sale drops by 100%

[high mountain]

Will we ever get to see Diesel in a pve scenario where you prioritize her over other B2 tho

Isn't her treasure built for pvp?

[lean smelt]

Not even worth it for pvp

[iron brook]

Like I said, may be relevant when a future Nikke has a kit similar to Diesel.... But more meta

Worth keeping in mind, giving reload to allies isn't a super niche buff, everyone benefits from it (except last bullet Nikke)

So not unlikely we see it appear more in future kits

[high mountain]

Man devs done her dirty
Gave her a better kit for a niche but even that isn't the best for that niche

[violet atlas]

no

until you fight 360F Elysion

or 580F Elysion

suddenly she's not so bad

[high mountain]

Interesting, I'll note it down

(My ass won't be needing that information for another year)

[dry pine]

Yep, Diesel is still Elysion Tower goddess if team can fix burst gen issues and Helm treasure does that

Imagine, every time your team full bursts, nearly unkillable character taunts all enemies even if they join combat late

And your dead time between bursts is 2 seconds Well, maybe 3 seconds.

[high mountain]

Dkw needs a lot of ammo and cs to do that, no?

[dry pine]

But general PvE, never. RIP

[dry pine]

Helm treasure

Basically 2 fully charged shots from Helm while she's selected will almost max the burst meter. Requires max S1 though

Team can fill the rest of the tiny distance

[high mountain]

Jesus

I heard she got way better but THAT better?

[dry pine]

Yeah that's why she's suddenly ultra hyped up

The burst gen is unreal

Even at lvl4 S1 it was very good

[high mountain]

Gomen drake

It seems that I'll have to build ocean lady

[dry pine]

Only time you might have second thoughts is if you use pirate maids in Elysion tower, but nevermind the towers. Helm treasure is also very awesome in campaign and raids

Pirate maids are an issue in Elysion tower because you're stuck with two B3 slots and that means being stuck with Helm's single target nuke burst

So no AoE clear from that, RIP

[iron brook]

It's 20% each shot isn't it?

So in a 2RL setup, Helm alone gives 40% of the bar for example

Still broken but not quite Helm filling the meter completely alone

[dry pine]

I can do a solo check of this, controlled environment, and screenshot the burst meter each shot. I'll do that now since I'm also curious when team isn't generating noise

1st and 2nd shots...

3rd shot

4th shot

[crude whale]

What is u skill level on helm?

[dry pine]

She's 10/10/10

Apparently the "2 shots" thing is coming from the team contributing while she's shooting

Like BS Scarlet, Alice landing hits

Checking burst gen from auto while she's unselected

Her burst gen matched the 4 shots - in 5 auto shots while unselected

In other words, if you let Helm treasure auto in the wings while you're playing with your Alice, Helm treasure has to take one more extra shot to equal the burst gen of when she's selected

[violet atlas]

not sure where I posted this one but let me type again then

[crude whale]

Huh is ur s1 and s2 both lvl 10?

Helm seleceted fill burst bar in 3 shot

Unselected 4

For me

[dry pine]

What?

Solo character in shooting range?

[violet atlas]

Helm burst gen structure is like this

• 2.8% from base atk (will be x2.5 more if you control her). x2 if hit boss
• 2.8% from S2. x2 if hit boss
• 14.31% from S1

[crude whale]

With rh as in cover rest empty yes

Vs boss shooting range

[dry pine]

Oh boss!

I did waves

Let me check boss

Wow, what is going on

I actually hit the "2 shots almost bursted, 3 shots definitely bursted" with Helm treasure vs the boss in shooting range

But wave stage didn't do this?

2 shots from Helm vs shooting range boss

[crude whale]

Looks like bosses gen more burst gen

[dry pine]

3rd

[violet atlas]

so burst gen per shot goes like

• Selected: 24.11%
• Non selected: 19.91%

If boss exists, it goes like

• Selected: 33.91%
• Non selected: 25.51%

now read and compute

[dry pine]

Hmm, let me shoot the wave boss then

Okay, wave boss also counts

It's the 33.91%, but only if you hit it

[violet atlas]

it's not the boss but "target"

[dry pine]

Well, this is neat

[violet atlas]

end stage target

[dry pine]

Sure

[violet atlas]

so something like defense stage

where there's no end stage target

rip you

[dry pine]

I guess this explains why sometimes I have comfy enough burst gen, but barely, against the boss

Yet the same team is molasses against a wave

That's without piercing units of course

Okay, yeah. It's OP against bosses/targets

Unselected, Helm treasure still took merely 3 shots to hit filled burst meter, all by herself

[dry pine]

Apparently the rules change when it's against a boss/"Target".

Check the message right above this one

[violet atlas]

I'm sure the S1 won't be x2

for PVP, it follows basic wave rule so whatever, cuz Nikke is not a target

[iron brook]

Wtf it changes based on auto vs manual?

Wild

Kinda wish the game actually told us this stuff somewhere

[violet atlas]

they did

you didn't listen tho

[iron brook]

They mentioned hit rate down

[pearl wraith]

No just have the camera on them

[iron brook]

If they mentioned burst gen down then yeah I missed that

Even more wild

[thick frigate]

eyyy i guess my 200 gold was worth it ?

[fast pebble]

unless you don have enough to get rei

[cosmic quartz]

s1 isnt x2 for helm gen, tested during quantum cube testing so this is correct

also only s2 and base were affected by quantum when i looked, not s1

[muted leaf]

which one has higher core priority, asuka or rei

[autumn shard]

Asuka

Asuka is the primary damage dealer. Rei is the support.

[muted leaf]

10/7/7 good enough on her like the guide said?

[autumn shard]

Rei's damage won't be insignificant, since they're both have Elemental advantage against Iron enemies, but Rei's primary contribution is canceling out Asuka's weaknesses and helping her ramp up faster.

[autumn shard]

Most likely. If you're on the fence about investing into ReiT, then wait a few days for testing.

[muted leaf]

Skill book reset when....

[autumn shard]

If past history is any indicator, probably the next half anniversary

[peak star]

got rei to 4/4/4... she raised asukas damage by a lot

[autumn shard]

You'd probably want to pair AsukaW + ReiT with Helm to compensate for their poor burst gen

[shadow igloo]

25-30%

Nice

[thin hare]

seems like sbs + asukaW will still be better for kraken then?

[dry pine]

Looks like it

Appears definitive that TN Rei is the dud of the collab

Though a good dud which significantly improves W Asuka's damage

Glued to W Asuka for raids, as expected by everybody and their grandmother

[haughty jackal]

Dude , that's literally 4/4/4 rei

And probably like perfect scarlet

[dry pine]

It's not like it'll double going to 10/10/10 Rei though

2.5b dmg

That's how much additional damage TN Rei has to make up for to beat BS Scarlet + W Asuka in those screenshots

Whether it's improving allies or herself

Oh, did this TN Rei have OLs on?

[dry pine]

With TN Rei OLs?

[haughty jackal]

Yeah which is not worth it if you have cracked scarlet... But jf you don't have scarlet then it's good investment

[rapid sonnet]

my grandma did not expect tbis

oh wait the chat scrolled way past what I was replying to

[haughty jackal]

LOL

[undone lava]

yeah I don't think your grandma expected that either

[crude whale]

shit wille with no ammo OL, 7/4/4

middle is 1/1/1 rei, right is 4/4/4
full auto agains wind weak practice boss
my rei is build pepe no OL

[dry pine]

So short version.

Have W Asuka but was cursed or skipped TN Rei?
You're okay. W Asuka will be weaker but will still kick ass and you can just slide in a random hobo carry Nikke if you ran out of carries (like original Scarlet or whatever).

• How much weaker? Well, W Asuka should gain at least 20-25% dmg from being with TN Rei
  • Someone showed her going from 4b dmg to 5b dmg switching from partnering with BS Scarlet to partnering with TN Rei
  • The BS Scarlet did 4b dmg too, and TN Rei only did 1.7b dmg. TN Rei was 4/4/4

Have TN Rei but was cursed or skipped W Asuka?
Bricked She's not special without W Asuka to buff.

What about TN Rei + MG Team without W Asuka?
Vastly weaker than buffing W Asuka.

[fast pebble]

Good, you convinced me

Imma skip rei

[dry pine]

You can always check back before the banner ends to reaffirm whether you like that decision

Unless you blew all your pulls on something else

[fast pebble]

Yes i did

[dry pine]

[fast pebble]

I do have 200 miles

But thats for mlb asuka

If possible

[dry pine]

I added clarification on how much damage W Asuka would gain from being with TN Rei

Added more clarification

[fast pebble]

Yeah but whats the total damage with sbs

[dry pine]

Yeah that's what I added

[fast pebble]

So with sbs the total team damage is lower than with TN rei?

[dry pine]

No, BS Scarlet team was higher by 2.5b from the user that tested

That's W Asuka + BS Scarlet versus W Asuka + TN Rei

There was still room for growth from TN Rei (was 4/4/4 and IDK the OLs)

[fast pebble]

Well fuck it

[dry pine]

But closing 2.5b gap is a tall order

[fast pebble]

Imma skip rei

[dry pine]

Main benefit will be campaign or raids

TN Rei has AoE nuke for clear, and helps W Asuka hit 3 targets at farther separation distance

Normally W Asuka only hits 2 at small separation distance

And in raids, it's the 3rd strongest Wind dps even though I criticized TN Rei

[fast pebble]

I don consider campaign that much since you can just brute force them once you have enough CP

[dry pine]

And makes W Asuka rival BS Scarlet in a separate team

So competitive raider needs TN Rei, for sure

[fast pebble]

And im no competitive raider

I guess i can skip her

[dry pine]

Tbh, a true competitive raider would have to 10/X/10 TN Rei

There's still a vacuum in the great Wind carries area.

Wind DPS carries:

• W Asuka
• BS Scarlet
• TN Rei
• Summer Sakura

Wind helpers for more DPS:

• Alice (with BS Scarlet)
• Mana (with BS Scarlet - probably separated to another comp if choosing Alice)
• Summer Rosanna (with Summer Sakura if enemies have many/respawning parts)
• Noir

[haughty jackal]

Damn that's crazy

I lost all hype , sticking up to sbs and alice I guess. I hope I can still pull fire asuka for collection purposes

[fast pebble]

Aint sbs + asuka w still better?

Infact one guy tested here and it outdamage alice+sbs

[dry pine]

It varies a lot based on rock luck though

Or OL rolls luck I mean

[fast pebble]

That guy has perfect alice

#1320717927326027876 message

Found it

[simple quartz]

Got Windsuka S1 to lvl 9 and slotted in T.Helm

Now her team deals around the same dmg as with Alice

[fast pebble]

And she does not need much investment

Unlike alice

10/4/4

Probably still works

[crude whale]

??? U skip preett sure never going rerun unit to mlb another? Atleast get 1 copy

[fast pebble]

Yes

MLB asuka is a must for one of the best lobby screen

I could wait

Until the end of asuka banner

[crude whale]

Better wait yes

[fast pebble]

But imo

A good lobby screen last longer than a character thats would be powercrept in the future

[peak star]

just tested this, yeah helm made significant difference

[runic leaf]

So how many ammo we need?

[peak star]

2x ammo is essential according to this https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-asuka-wille/

[violet atlas]

will change into 3x ammo

stupid Rei

[thin hare]

7-10/4-7/7 still accurate?

[lean smelt]

Wait what wille need 3 ammo?

[violet atlas]

I thought she could completely get rid of wind up

she only lowers it from 2.33s => 1.15s

better not reload

[lofty rivet]

Just cuts it in half

[violet atlas]

540 ammo during burst

600 ammo during other FB

I will take 720 ammo for safe

[lofty rivet]

This feels like false advertisement, forma 100% heat up speed you would expect it to work like reload and charge speed to

[violet atlas]

720/300 = 140% ammo buff

[odd sluice]

Got ya 1000 ammo it is

[lean smelt]

Won't that make her reload near the start of her own burst

[violet atlas]

around 2 high lines of ammo or 3 mid lines of ammo

[lean smelt]

Since end of burst is already mandated reload

[violet atlas]

just make sure you reload before she starts bursting

[odd sluice]

Diesel gives more ammo right?

[violet atlas]

yeah

Diesel has some niche ass trick that allows mg to never reload

[lean smelt]

How much ammo to never reload aside from mandated

[violet atlas]

but that's something else

540 + 600 + 180 ~ 300

a lot I will say

[odd sluice]

I just wanna pair them because funi

[violet atlas]

1120 is not easy to achieve

[lean smelt]

With bastion tho?

[twin valve]

3 ammo with bastion

i am sure of it

thats enough

[violet atlas]

783

yep

783 = 3 mid tier ammo lines

just as I pointed above

whatever it is, will update the guide to remove

• Expected to test paragraph
• Change 2x ammo => 3x ammo

[lean smelt]

How's the pair in neutral

[twin valve]

also

asuka

does not

hit parts

[violet atlas]

have you played her against Kraken?

[twin valve]

yeah but it doesnt damage parts

u can check it by shooting the air

[violet atlas]

[twin valve]

also its only one proc

[violet atlas]

yes cuz you need to hit the body

[iron brook]

What's this number on the tentacle then

[twin valve]

there is only one proc

u can check

[iron brook]

And second rainbow circle

[violet atlas]

[iron brook]

As for the ammo discussion

[twin valve]

go fix guide

also rei sucks

[sharp kestrel]

wdym reiT sucks

[iron brook]

May I introduce you to the concept of 100-110% new ammo

It is the perfect amount to make her reload inbetween bursts

Don't need a third ammo line

[violet atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320718632384204810/1344498835472253011/image.png?ex=67c1219d&is=67bfd01d&hm=566d8927fb1a151be572c2d6b2915f93c9a2d410146e47b1fd5161e1b28be641&

[twin valve]

login to someone else's acc

[violet atlas]

[fast pebble]

Rather than suck

[violet atlas]

I'm not a pilot

[fast pebble]

She is too niche

[iron brook]

Or just look at my screenshot

It hits the parts

[fast pebble]

Only useful for asuka

[violet atlas]

long story short: suck

[sharp kestrel]

but if asukaW is sbs-tier

[iron brook]

If you want the video

[sharp kestrel]

it's worth

[violet atlas]

btw she's pretty much better Scarlet, only weaker in PVP

[twin valve]

shes S tier at best

[violet atlas]

[twin valve]

its only proccing once

and

its not damaging the parts

it jsut shows the extra damage proc on parts

[violet atlas]

deal same nuke dmg as scarlet, better auto attack, can't reflect

S

[lean smelt]

Huh? Same nuke as scar?

What about gen

[fast pebble]

Nah

[violet atlas]

half gen

0.45 Scar - 0.25 Rei

[pearl wraith]

Sbs is still far better than asuka in pilgrim tower

[violet atlas]

then it's probably bug, visual bug or whatever

[lean smelt]

Is it regular ar gen

[violet atlas]

can you test again, this time let Asuka shooting the air and see if dmg jumps on counter

record, I can help you report bug ingame, or you can report it yourself

[iron brook]

Just tested

They're right, image shows it prov on tentacle but only the main HP bar goes down

Even when shooting air

Tentacle HP stays full

[lean smelt]

Terreible unit

[iron brook]

Weird that it shows the rainbow on the tentacke

@violet atlas there's a recording of it

[violet atlas]

hp doesn't goes down but the dmg is still recorded

[arctic cove]

Do I need Rei

[violet atlas]

go to #1320718632384204810

[violet atlas]

this bug doesn't affect your output (she still deals extra dmg on part)

it affects your abilities to kill part

which can be a good or bad thing depends on how you see it

on one hand, not destroying part can lead to heavy attack
on the other hand, not destroying part will inflate her dmg stupidly

[iron brook]

This is highest resolution I can record

(I am a phone player)

[lean smelt]

So... It still works on parts, 2 parts = 2 procs, but just doesn't reduce part hp?

[iron brook]

I'll try again with the part DMG cube and see if it deals more damage??

[pearl wraith]

Pretty sure its just hitting the main body. And the dmg number just happens to appear on the part

[iron brook]

Same as above but with 15% parts damage from cube

[violet atlas]

you can do a rough test that total dmg during her FB:

• Shooting air
• Shooting body

[iron brook]

If I shoot body then her normal attacks will confuse it won't they

As opposed to just being S1 damage

[violet atlas]

part dmg cube affects her S1

so it's indeed hitting her part

not body

[iron brook]

Is it?

Damage looks same to me

[violet atlas]

eh

nvm I tripped

it's lower

[iron brook]

Also if it was hitting parts Rei should let it hit two parts not just one

[violet atlas]

probably due to stat diff and ele check

yeah

[iron brook]

Since should be 3 procs in total

[violet atlas]

put Rei in team

[iron brook]

She is

[violet atlas]

for some reason it only shows on tentacles, never the back tent

time to report

[iron brook]

Yeah previously we thought back tentacle's weren't included due to being outside MG range

[pearl wraith]

Just fire slowly.
Manually 10 shots into the air.

Then check on boss hp counter how much dmg was done and compare.

[iron brook]

But Rei should make it 500% range

So back tentacles should also proc now

If it is hitting parts

And if it isn't, why damage appear with tentacle

[twin valve]

it is proccing on part but not on body

[violet atlas]

can you use a cube that has same level as your part dmg cube?

can be anything

if same stat cubes giving same result, it means part dmg buff isn't applied

[iron brook]

Ok

It is not hitting parts

Evidence:

With this team, her highest damage proc is 47750

[twin valve]

[iron brook]

With this team, where RosCO gives a parts damage buff, also 47750

47550, sorry

Still

Damage ceiling is the same in both

So RosCO S1 does not buff Asuka S1's damage

So Asuka S1 does not benefit from parts damage buffs

[craggy widget]

I mean if it actually hits parts then she would be proccing on more things when rei is in the team

but she doesn't

[iron brook]

Not if Rei's range buff was what was bugged

As the back tentacles are outside MG range

[twin valve]

It isn't hitting parts
It is just hitting once on body

It is just one proc

It's not 2 procs

It isn't a bugged skill

[iron brook]

Yes, the bug is that the one proc appears next to the part

And not next to the body

[twin valve]

There's no bug it's just the number appearing above part

For some odd reason

[dry pine]

It’s like when a MG shoots, it accrues X heat. Like 10 heat, 20 heat, etc. TN Rei doubles it. It makes sense. We just assumed

[craggy widget]

yeah pretty much, its just the visual

[twin valve]

@violet atlas go fix guide

[iron brook]

Also the every 50 shots appears on the main body

[pearl wraith]

When the tentacle moves back abit. The numbers stop appearing there and show up on the main body briefly

[iron brook]

Only the every 10 shots on burst appears on the tentacle

I think that's what made us think two separate procs

So it's specially the annihilation state part of S1 which has the damage appear with the tentacle

[dry pine]

Gold line is first enemy targeting radius, circumference is the gold circle.

Red line is nearby enemies targeting radius, circumference is the red circle.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1320718632384204810/1344517931131867197/image0.jpg?ex=67c13366&is=67bfe1e6&hm=75ca6fab2039b898caa9d2bed061a7232a6004ebeb9d31338d47d17550c468c6&

[iron brook]

By that logic though Asuka's 100% down should mean infinite windup lol

[dry pine]

Same as above but with TN Rei buffing W Asuka https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1320718632384204810/1344517931513544755/image1.jpg?ex=67c13366&is=67bfe1e6&hm=a16185a1be1227e559c58212d8ea6838f48eaf1ea44e0f2643edb894ea87f051&

So basically, super buff to hitting nearby enemies.

But cap of 2 nearby enemies. RIP

[iron brook]

Oh it's not distance it's width??

Really?

[dry pine]

Ehh it’s interpreted pretty roughly here, because field depth can screw with it

The point is, it goes from needing 2 enemies to be hugging each other, to 3 well spread enemies

[iron brook]

I assumed Rei let her hit enemies outside MG range

[dry pine]

It was explained to me that W Asuka’s S1 will first search for an initial enemy to center the AoE on. That’s the gold line.

Then the S1 will blast that enemy with the AoE, hitting up to X other nearby enemies. That’s the red line. 1 nearby enemy if no TN Rei, 2 nearby enemies if yes TN Rei.

[iron brook]

I see

[dry pine]

So, if boss is in center of screen and you’re focus firing its core

[iron brook]

That's very convoluted if so

[dry pine]

And you use W Asuka + TN Rei

And a couple adds flew onto the screen while W Asuka is bursting

She’ll hit 2 of them basically anywhere they go

It’s a rather huge radius

[twin valve]

Who got both asuka Rei invested

[dry pine]

But remove TN Rei, then that huge radius becomes pretty small, so small that the adds have to go hug the boss core to be hit

[twin valve]

Rei sucks

[dry pine]

That’s the gist of it

[iron brook]

Yeah I think you're right

[dry pine]

Doesn’t target parts though? RIP

[iron brook]

I mean description never said it did

[dry pine]

[iron brook]

We just got optimistic because of damage appearing next to Kraken tentacles

[dry pine]

Oh

Back to lurking

[fast pebble]

Oof

New rei is actually worse than old rei

[iron brook]

I kinda thought she might do better at clearing mother whale mobs, alas

Wait mother whale just dies if you kill it's core?

Kinda wanted to keep using it to test stuff rip

Asuka is useless but Rei with her AoE is obviously perfectly usable to clear mobs

Oh core just takes out like 100 healthbars at once, I see

With Rei

Asuka S1 can't even hit boss while she's targeting a mob here

[fast pebble]

I mean you can use other dps too

[iron brook]

500% range increase my ass

[fast pebble]

Atm rei just looks bad

[iron brook]

I thought Rei S1 would really make Asuka even more broken

But forget not hitting parts

She can't even hit boss & mobs at same time

[fast pebble]

[iron brook]

The +1 unit is useless

[fast pebble]

I was right to skip it

But that could be a bug

Who knows

[iron brook]

I'm not in main server but people are welcome to post my videos over if a bug thread gets made

So far we've got

• Rainbow and damage number appear next to tentacle despite main body being what is hit (does not scale with parts damage bonuses)

• Rei's 500% range buff doesn't seem to work?? Or at very least, all three need to be same rough distance (short, medium, far)??

I really feel if the range buff worked as intended she shouldn't be proccing only one at a time vs mother whale

Either hitting 3 mobs at once

[dry pine]

It works

[iron brook]

Or 2 mobs & main body

[dry pine]

I didn't test against a boss, but I could

With adds, I mean

[iron brook]

She's only hitting one of three targets here

[dry pine]

Mother Whale can't buff adds with hit count protection when core is dead

[dry pine]

Those are parts and earlier somebody said it doesn't hit parts
NVM I thought you circled parts

[iron brook]

Yeah that was just the core taking it from 110 to 10 immediately making it look like instant death lol

[iron brook]

Three targets are:

• two rapture mobs
• main body of boss

I don't mean the turrets lol

Boss HP doesn't move

Nor does a rainbow appear on it

[dry pine]

Leftmost is out of range

[iron brook]

She's literally only proccing her S1 on one at a time

So if this is working as intended

It's 500% of a range so garbage it's still bad with Rei

[dry pine]

Tested it against Anomaly Harvester.

Works

But I think I see the "problem"

For it to "area of effect hit the boss", the boss's center must be in range

I think when I attacked Harvester, it turned out to be its head (the core)

When I lowered W Asuka's aim, she blew up 3 kamikaze enemies without actually aiming at them

But when I tried to include Harvester's head + another ground enemy, it didn't work

Because, I had to lower cursor too far from the head

The "initial enemy" detection does not get boosted by TN Rei

Only the AoE radius around that initial enemy

That's why in my two artsy screenshots, the gold ring doesn't change size

[iron brook]

Alright I think the confusion with parts is that every object has a "centre"

And boss parts count for targeting purposes, but damage ignores that it's a part

So if a boss part is in range but main body is not, it should still hit the boss

And the rainbow appears on the part when that is what is targeted

So a boss with parts has multiple candidates for whether it is in range

[dry pine]

Ah okay

So it was targeting the head part in this case

Neat

[iron brook]

But moving cursor to hit a part instead of main body doesn't let parts damage bonuses apply

Sadly

Despite the rainbow & damage number appearing next to the part

Now the next question might be "why does Kraken have it hit tentacles even when cursor is on main body"?

And to that I don't have an answer

Maybe because they're physically closer to Asuka?

Alright I'm gonna submit the Asuka S1 damage numbers appearing next to tentacles as a bug and see what happens, it's just confusing as is

[dry pine]

Unfortunately, with Harvester, the head/core is so high up that it's shy of clearing ground enemies

Needed to be more center of screen to do that

Something like Material H core would work

[obtuse acorn]

do we know roughly what % of ammo is good for asukaW? for the clearing ammo thing or whatever. or a lower bound, upper bound or any? i suppose crit lines come next if i compromise her ammo line right

[iron brook]

I believe it's:

~100% max ammo with resilience or other cube for her to reload once right before her own burst starts

~150+ with bastion for her to never reload except the forced one at end of her own burst

[restive kiln]

300 summons for this..

[obtuse acorn]

so 3 lines are sufficient. doesnt anymore than 3 lines just, wasted?

sry not 2 lines

[fast pebble]

Its worth it

[lean smelt]

is it fine if I just give wille SR0

not sure I would ever want to get her doll any higher

my quency still SR0, 0 regrets

[iron brook]

Asuka is viable for neutral damage too isn't she?

So should see more use than Quency

[lean smelt]

how viable is she in neutral tho

what's another dps she can be compared to in neutral

whether using reit or not

I heard they fixed it

[iron brook]

Well she's SBS comparable be Kraken and has no elemental damage inherent to her kit so....

[dry pine]

Before: (Ammo * %) + (Ammo * %) + (Ammo * %) + (Ammo * %). Rounding is applied to each parenthesis
After: Ammo * (% + % + % + %). Rounding is applied to the final total

[lean smelt]

? I've yet to see her do comparable dmg to sbs in kraken

both without their supports?

[fast pebble]

You guessed right

[lean smelt]

my og rei still isn't OL'ed

[fast pebble]

I mean asuka still need rei to reach her peak

[lean smelt]

reit gonna share same fate, unless pvp saves her

[fast pebble]

But her peak isnt that high

So yeah you can just skip rei

I did not regret spending everything to get this and skip rei

Atleast for now

[lean smelt]

ig.... I just hope I get a blue mg doll next raid

[fast pebble]

Asuka W has really good MLB lobby screen

[lean smelt]

otherwise she'll be dollless or with sr0

[fast pebble]

How you ran out of doll selector

[lean smelt]

I used to feed r dolls for exp

I don't have blue selector

yeah that's what I'm trying to do now, now that I don't need doll kits as much

[twin valve]

pull one copy of both

[twin valve]

asuka higher prio

[obtuse acorn]

how much % of rapipi is asukaW in neutral with reiT?

[twin valve]

what

idk that

rapi is better

[obtuse acorn]

roughly?

[covert acorn]

guess i wont be mlbing asuka... 120 rolls 1 ssr and thats it :/

so it seems rei really isnt needed for asuka?

[iron brook]

Yeah the buffs she gives seem kinda.... Bleh

The 500% range increase does not give the screen-wide range previously hoped

So even bosses with mobs you often struggle to hit three targets at once

[covert acorn]

even her person damages doesnt seem that great :/ thats unfortunate

[iron brook]

Her personal damage is quite good with Asuka

Asuka & Rei should be a competitive team vs neutral, similar to SBS & Alice

But Rei is definitely the weaker part of that duo

And you could just as easily run e.g. Asuka & Xlud, Asuka & RapiRH, etc

[haughty jackal]

Interesting

[dusk sky]

does Asuka Win with no dupes beat Alice C7 on Kraken?

[cosmic fulcrum]

From what i saw sbs alice still is the strongest

[dusk sky]

thankfully
my measly stack of gems is safe till half anni

[iron brook]

SBS Asuka wins

Refer to this here, Asuka beat out a perfect OLs Alice

MLB Asuka but still

Only 10/7/10 with imperfect OLs herself so....

[upper pagoda]

Alice is pretty dependent on player skill tho

a perfect Alice that can't hit 1b is pretty evident of skill issue

[haughty jackal]

So how much dmg increase is MLB compared to zero dupes?

[fast pebble]

there is a guy with perfect alice , and it still lose to asuka

tho we need his confirmation

@echo echo

[earnest rapids]

gaming chair kind of issue

[iron brook]

He already confirmed, that's what I linked to just a few lines above

[toxic ingot]

the same as it always is

[iron brook]

Hey now, sometimes it's even less worth than usual. Some Cindy setups I think RH dupes will boost Cindy's damage more than Cindy dupes will?

[toxic ingot]

Still never worth compared to the cost unless you spend

Technically Rei gains more than Asuka does from dupes due to her buffs all being Caster's ATK

[shadow igloo]

I mean compare lb0 with Core7 is a thing but a lb0 unit with good rolls

90% of the DMG is about how good are your rolls

Like if you have 110 ele and 50 atk and lb0 unit I'm sure your unit will beat any Core7 90 ele 30 atk

Surely is not an easy thing

If you want more and more flat stats

Just farm modules

Modules are really important tbh

Any 4-5 lvls of them you're going to feel the difference

[sharp kestrel]

high cores now is about the luxury of doing healerless teams

[toxic ingot]

Best plan for F2P is to just one and done every (meta) unit. MLB only for lobby screens, and even then I'd only say that for collabs and maybe seasonals since you'll eventually get any other units

[sharp kestrel]

the only hp amount that matters is the last 1 hp

[shadow igloo]

Still waiting for the guy in blabla Who cooked asuka rei kraken s9

I hope is not something like 110 ele 50 atk

[toxic ingot]

I'm almost there Just need a bit more gear exp and skill mats for Rei

[shadow igloo]

[dusk sky]

i just checked that , and for some reason
Asuka Run had higher dmg on the supports

cant understand why , Asuka has no team buffs herself

Rapi doin 80m more
helm 24m
Crown 46m

[toxic ingot]

?

Did you read her kit?

[violet atlas]

chatgtp, summarize it under 10 words

[toxic ingot]

She debuffs boss with same debuff as Blanc/S Ros/X Lud

Everyone deals more damage

[violet atlas]

I hit, you hit more

[shadow igloo]

Deepseek

[fast pebble]

In summary, asuka x sbs is probably the strongest wind team in game

Tho probably useful for only AL interception

As you don want two of your best wind dps on same team for UR / SR

[frosty cosmos]

You still want to funnel in UR and i think matter of fact its the most cost effective way that people using now.
If you happen to use 2 teams of the same element (wind here) to cover 2/3 of attempts and other element team only cover 1/3, thats something to be concerned on your investment allocation on other elements. This support the case for funneling.

[lean smelt]

how much dmg gain is getting wille s1 from 7 to 10

[lean smelt]

even factoring in the dmg taken?

[lean smelt]

I think imma leave her at that

I can work around the ammo issue with bastion

I just gotta reload at the tail end of reit burst

that way I still shoot the entire way through asuka burst

wille's dmg during reit burst is very small right?

actually works fine with resil too

just gotta make sure I got good gen (helm+) and that asuka starts ramping right after reit burst ends

unless somehow my game is consistently running well below 60 fps

no I seem to be fine, 300 bullets in 5 sec timed

ig it's this

91 ammo refund

yeah tbh I think mine is fine at just 68% ammo

once I get her dolled she'll get a tad bit more from there too

[dry pine]

Basically, for super QoL and not minding any inefficiency from it, get 4 ammo with high %s and W Asuka with Bastion cube will easily have ammo for entire Full Bursts, right?

Just like Rapi Hood

[lean smelt]

think so yeah

but like

how much is wille even doing near the tail end of reit burst?

just seems like basically baseline dmg no?

no annihilation state, rei atk mode buffs are for self

all you lose is raw mg dmg and some s1 procs I think?

[dry pine]

Sure, it does sound like W Asuka just wants to be sure she isn’t reloading in middle of her own burst. But reloading during middle of other B3’s burst also hurts a bit

[lean smelt]

with bastion and no other reload speed I reload at approx 2 sec of reit burst left

with crown, I can do it with like 1 sec left

as long as she finishes reload before her b3 cast she's fine I think, reit helps her ramp super fast, so that's not an issue

[dry pine]

Seems like you’re fine then? That’s probably even better because then W Asuka is ready to do burst gen

Making sure your entire team reloads after Full Burst ends can backfire because it adds delay to next Full Burst

Imagine everyone taking a 2s break lol

[lean smelt]

just need to do it for wille

my helm basically never reloads off-burst unless something catastrophic happens

so that alone is prob fine to gen

[lofty rivet]

Hey so, at the end of the day, do you think rei will be used for something? Even if not for kraken? Or she'll be benched forever

?

[cosmic quartz]

wind weak raids with asuka

[twin valve]

She can be used for kraken she will be used for wind raids and she has an AoE that can mimic Scarlets performance on campaign

Actually better than scarlet

So

She's quite good

And you should pull her

With Rei Ayanami, scarlet, and Rei ayanami

We now have 3 instant AoE screen clears for campaign

For diff elements

Iron is rapi technically

So we just need one for water now

[violet atlas]

qeq

[sharp kestrel]

don't huh my waifu like that

[shadow igloo]

[toxic ingot]

QeQ is distributed tho

[lean smelt]

wille is about 20% lower atk, no doll vs SR10, similar ele, 7/4/7

manual so wille never reloads during her burst

wille is 18% lower base atk (without factoring in OL)

so that's like what... 41% atk diff? 20% OL + 18% base + 20% of 18% base

[lean smelt]

um

guys

.... it's the fps

I turned game to min graphics, suddenly my ammo margins become extremely tight on wille (still barely doable)

and... dps went through the roof

ok so I need a settings expert

what graphics can I turn up without impacting fps

[earnest rapids]

none

game behave differently in different system

[kind stratus]

you can have a nasa computer and the game still shits the bed fps wise

because the world is weird and the game is badly optimized

[lean smelt]

I'm just turning settings on one by one to test

so far, char res, combat effects, texture quality all max have no effect

so at least the game won't look bad

[earnest rapids]

i have a 6800xt and i cant maintain 60fps

[lean smelt]

my rig should handle it easily too

[earnest rapids]

at lowest setting btw

[lean smelt]

I feel like it could just be a single rogue setting

goddamn it, now I spell rogue as rouge by default

[earnest rapids]

doesn't matter how good your rig is, if the game keep shitting the bed by itself, nothing would save it

[violet atlas]

restart yourc pc and avoid mother whale

[earnest rapids]

learn to face your problem

my pc don't

well, anything that shit out tons of instance of things (bomb, unit, laser...) will 100% tank the fps

like motherwhale

[pearl wraith]

just simply get an rtx 5090 and i9 14900k

[sharp kestrel]

rtx 5090? damn I can now cook eggs on my pc while playing nikke

[lean smelt]

ok I need to retest at max settings

could just be me leaving nikke on for like 12 hours straight

bc atm I'm only 2 settings short (color grading and morph) from max

and still no drop in dps

[tacit linden]

why would you leaving it on for 12h

[lean smelt]

I... played it entire day on and off

[tacit linden]

bruh

[lean smelt]

I turn every gacha I play into a main game

combo of discord + ingame

yeah...

it's leaving the game open for half a day

max graphics basically within margin of error

still losing like a dozen asuka shots per burst in my counting, but close enough that rng makes up diff

note to self: restart nikke often, esp when doing content where dps matters

there we go

I never paid attention to mg ammo until wille

asuka dmg went up 20% from first test

yeah multiplying by rough 1.4 gets her on par with sbs

at least I got a ton of practice timing wille reload

I'm sure I can do it well even with my 68% ammo, very fine margins, often about 50 bullets left before forced reload

but I can do it consistently

[violet atlas]

let me give you this

Shit up tends to cook their code in a funny way that causes memory leak oftenly

their previous game Dead Cold crashed everytime you opened it for too long

on Nikke, it will be either crash or FPS drop, your rng

[lean smelt]

never had crash

so ig my rig just gets fps drops

hard to even notice

[violet atlas]

I put nvidia fps count on my screen so it's very easy to notice

especially when fighting Mother Whale

[lean smelt]

I think I tried it a while ago, couldn't get it to work

lemme try again

yeah it doesn't work for me

not sure why

even with the recording dot goes away from bottom right

[lean smelt]

do you know what clear cache does

I downloaded a few gb of low res textures when I first went to min, does it get rid of those?

[violet atlas]

clear cache only helps you get rid of stucking login bug

[lean smelt]

yeah idk why nvidia overlay doesn't work for nikke

[violet atlas]

work for me

[lean smelt]

ok got it to work after adding nikke to nvidia control panel, but now I get the w11 bug where nikke replaces taskbar when alt-tabbing

ig I'll just turn it on when I want to test fps, and off otherwise

oh yeah I got that

[visual juniper]

Restart game every 5-10 fights

Turn off battle effects

If not playing Tove

[lean smelt]

yeah I get fairly consistent 59 now

sometimes dropping to 57

is there a way to show only the tiny fps number

[sweet trellis]

shift up has never made a solid product even nikke comes with new bugs every update

[lean smelt]

oh found a way

yeah game bar works better

well problem is that it seems to always stick there even alt-tabbing

[violet atlas]

lmao

MC flashback

[lean smelt]

those attacks better be stoppable with qte or something

otherwise what... if you get hit by it.... now all the shields are back up?

blanc and xlud stonks?

I assume it's actually just straight dmg reduction, since wille also has dmg taken debuff

[violet atlas]

so shielders are required

Tia, Crown and Ram stock stonk

[upper pagoda]

i must be missing something

i'm not sure how does eva 2 interact with this mechanic

usually the banner units have some way of ignoring SR boss mechanics

i'm guessing asuka's s1 aoe will clear the boss attacks or something

or the AT field has some special interaction where it disables the force field lmao

[dry pine]

You're missing that the EVA 1 banners are rerunning atm. It's very possible that this boss is designed for both W Asuka and original Asuka

Shielded core, EVA 1 will pierce the shield and also take down the shield faster.

Iron element, EVA 2 will hurt it the most on par with or after BS Scarlet

[upper pagoda]

i mean i'm talking about mechanics interaction specifically

there has to be something more than element advantage

[shadow igloo]

Yeah probably something about wasuka's aoe

[terse vortex]

AsukaW’s anti-AT field will cancel out the damage taken down buff I guess

[violet atlas]

okay, report this bug, we will see

[upper pagoda]

not a bug

delete this rn

[violet atlas]

too late

[upper pagoda]

[violet atlas]

submitted ingame

[upper pagoda]

i'm gonna find you in champ arena

[violet atlas]

oh trust me, I saw your cp

I will find you first

[iron brook]

I already reported it as well

And it is a bug imo

Damage number shouldn't appear next to tentacle while tentacle HP stays the same

Either tentacle should take damage, or number should appear by main body

[sharp kestrel]

this sentence out of context is

[earnest rapids]

need to add the next one too

[haughty jackal]

Imagine if bugged and will fix after banner ends 💩
And then they will deal bazillion damage

[plucky grail]

and they they give skill resets

nah I’m taking it too far

[crude sable]

No, built asuka + rei is better

[twin valve]

No it's not better than asuka + SBS

[crude sable]

Any proof?

[twin valve]

Instinct

Feel

[crude sable]

My spreadsheet says at same investment asuka rei do 500 m more on kraken

[twin valve]

I think the best team should be Alice in p5

With asuka SBS bursting

[lean smelt]

Helm over Alice did more dmg for me

[lean smelt]

I'm gonna go compare wille dmg going from 7/4/7 to 10/4/7

is there a specific comp I should try for it

will be shooting range wind-weak manual

if no input imma just do crown/liter/wille/reit/helm

[iron brook]

Rapipi better than Liter for that team I think?

Would also give better sense of damage from S1 across entire 9s

Whilst Liter buff only lasts 5

Damage fromdamage taken stacks being better especially, won't show up much in first 5s

[lean smelt]

ok

3865mil, fps is about 50-55 (shit's blinding bruh)

[fast pebble]

nikke.gg be like

[lean smelt]

4071mil after

her personal dmg increased by like 11-12% for me

bscar got 1 extra burst at the end

my wille is approx 40% atk lower factoring in OLs and base

neutral

yeah tbh wille doesn't need reit for neutral

somehow wille's personal dmg in the two fights were pretty much the same

nvm

need to retest, apparently having nikke open for 2 hours already drops frames by a consistent 5fps

the diff of which is somehow 250mil on the reit comp???

nah retested both (both teams lost 250mil from just 2 hours of nikke, in frame drops it's only 5 fps)

4/4/4 reit, 10/4/7 xlud neutral

reit buffs wille about as much as xlud

[fast pebble]

reit is kinda pointless you say?

at best she serve as the 2nd team with AsukaW in a wind SR or UR

[crude whale]

Reit benched, too much other stuff to build, cant waste abnormal atk gear when steller blade collab is coming later this year

And fk SR, top 3% good enough

[lean smelt]

pvp is stopping me from benching reit

[sharp kestrel]

the hell you mean

using reit on pvp

if you want teamwide nukers other than scarlet, there's other options too

like ein, cindy

[lean smelt]

ein nuke is trash

cindy nuke is delayed

all other nukers nuke for less dmg while also feeding an extreme amount

[dry pine]

TN Rei being valued for PvP nukes also depends on there being meaning to PvP

[sweet trellis]

yeah who cares about 6k gems a month where's the meaning in that

[crude whale]

My pvp group is dead, free gems

[sweet trellis]

mine is active but they don't know how to play it's all cookie cutter ripped from websites

[dry pine]

That’s the thing, like Error404 I’m in top 3 idling without a fight I’ve been waiting for Champion Arena to see what it’d be like and whether it’s worth caring for. RIP delays

[crude whale]

All depends on rewards on how much care is needed

[iron brook]

I hope champions arena has a level cap

Otherwise once again anyone with a significant level lead is just gonna idle

[runic leaf]

Do I still need 3 lines ammo in case I play with crown?

[dry pine]

I guess it's time for me to reread W Asuka's kit

S2
■ Activates when using Annihilation. Affects self.
Emergency Repair: Function: Reduces MG heating up speed and clears ammo. Fixes recharge speed and restores HP based on the Max HP proportion continuously.
Effect 1: MG heating up speed ▼ 100% for 3 sec.
Effect 2: Clears 100% of ammo.
Effect 3: Constantly recovers 3.77% of caster's final Max HP every 1 sec over 3 sec.
Effect 4: Fixes the recharge speed with a 60% increase for 1 shot(s).

Huh, was this ever clarified?

Effect 4: Fixes the recharge speed with a 60% increase for 1 shot(s).

I'm lazy

Oh, someone was lazier than me

So this... is at end of Annihilation State when it gets cleared?

No...

Emergency Repair is as soon as W Asuka bursts. Hrm

It's a combo of both when burst starts and when it ends

The fixed recharge speed (aka reload speed) is when it ends

I had Crown and idk if Resilience cube but it basically ignored Crown's reload speed buff (expected that)

But the other reloads don't ignore, okay

[dry pine]

29.69% (Cube) + 44.35% (Crown) = 74.04%
W Asuka's base reload time: 2.33s
0.604868 reload time after Cube and Crown.

Tried it out for a bit. It seems alright. W Asuka resumes shooting while still at high heat. It doesn't feel terrible and she's very swiftly back to laser accuracy

You still lose dps, especially if a reload is in the first 8 seconds of her burst, and you have a forced reload anytime her burst ends (and this forced reload is set to 60% recharge time, idk if it's 40% reload speed or 60%)

Which means, depending on your ammo count and other ammo manipulation, you may see double reload situation in the final 2-3 seconds of full burst (Annihilation State has a 9s duration, so it ends 1s before full burst ends)

Assuming perfect 9 seconds of nonstop shooting, you need a minimum of 540 ammo and to have been already laser shooting entering full burst

To get that, you need no less than +80% ammo (though W Asuka restores some ammo when she bursts)

[runic leaf]

I have around 650ammo now

[dry pine]

Since I doubt we'll be happy with forcing reload and being perfect at it, right before W Asuka bursts, every time... at least I wouldn't be, I'd want much more padding than 540 ammo

[runic leaf]

Maybe use Privaty

[dry pine]

Ammo restore is this
Lv.10

Effect 2: Reloads 21% magazine(s).
Lv.7
Effect 2: Reloads 18.13% magazine(s).
Lv.4
Effect 2: Reloads 15.27% magazine(s).

So if actually have exactly 540 ammo, this recovers 113 ammo rounded down

Essentially means you have almost 2 seconds of leeway with 540 ammo because W Asuka will restore back up to full ammo if she bursts within those 2 seconds

Assumes Lv.10 Burst though. RIP

I think W Asuka is practical capped to 24 seconds of nonstop shooting

This assumes you needed to use all 15 seconds of Crown's buff while reaching next burst cycle

So 15s from first cycle, then 25s at end of second cycle, -1 from Asuka having 9s duration burst buffs instead of 10s

And that's how you get 24s

1,440 bullets. Subtract the amount Asuka restores (using Lv.10 burst). Should mean you needed to have 1,190 ammo and also have used up 250+ ammo rounded up before bursting

Further subtract by however Bastion is estimated to restore if using Bastion

[violet atlas]

/1.43

[dry pine]

832 ammo rounded down, though this negatively affects the ammo gained from W Asuka's burst

Would gain 174 ammo from the burst, which is a drop of 76 ammo

Since adding that back in is around 908 ammo, I'm going to be super lazy and just say we need 900+ ammo with Bastion, along with Lv.10 burst, to get "safe" infinite ammo

Safe being if the burst cycle that has W Asuka's turn to burst, is within 25 seconds of the start of previous burst cycle, it'll work

You need less ammo if you're faster than that, but it'll easily get screwed up if you move her to a different comp

[iron brook]

So three good max ammo lines basically

[dry pine]

Yeah, 300 + 200% = 900

60% x3 = 180% still short but there's MG doll

MG Doll is 9.5%. 189.5% then

Still short. RIP. But might work if you're faster than I based this on

[iron brook]

Just get three blacklines