#[Flora] New Unit Megathread

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lucid pumice
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vs 30+40(40scd)

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rare vapor
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Good luck getting scammed in grave banner

amber hemlock
lucid pumice
bronze mirage
rare vapor
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Fk this bish eating free well fare

lucid pumice
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i bought 1 with ticket then after SR i got 1 more

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rare vapor
tall python
amber hemlock
rare vapor
bronze mirage
tall python
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She's now 12 ammo and I have 3 ammo lines

lucid pumice
rare vapor
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Bricked , sound filthy

tall python
bronze mirage
rare vapor
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The day i clear Indi without Alice, i will tag all of you

bronze mirage
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Apology letter accepted

rare vapor
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Watch bishes

tall python
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That's how bad she is

amber hemlock
lucid pumice
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have we used any 40s b1/2 in the past like forever? think they need to be really busted for us to pick them up

amber hemlock
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RH, Biscuit, Poli

tall python
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Poli

amber hemlock
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In the old old days, Aria & Folkwang

tall python
lucid pumice
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those were like

tall python
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She's too good

lucid pumice
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40 years ago

amber hemlock
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RH counts because her B1 wasn't change when she was buffed

tall python
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For 1 raid

bronze mirage
lucid pumice
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rh doesnt count because rh is used as b3 most of the time

amber hemlock
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Everyone called her mid, so her B1/B2 are mid

lucid pumice
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except the 1 free cast

amber hemlock
tall python
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Rh pure B1 was used

amber hemlock
lucid pumice
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i was busy last raid sadge

amber hemlock
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RH B1 was near mandatory for top scores

tall python
bronze mirage
amber hemlock
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But yeah, my point is that 40s burst isn't actually the problem. It's Shift Up not being able to measure what level of strength a burst needs to survive the 40s cd test

lucid pumice
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i mean if 40s burst 1shots the boss

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its good

amber hemlock
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Flora's burst isn't good

lucid pumice
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but i dont think flora is that good

amber hemlock
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That's the simple fact kek

lucid pumice
amber hemlock
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We need a Mat H/Wind Bringer level boss with Mirror Container DEF mechanics to force Flora into use

rare vapor
lucid pumice
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they basically need to be busted af

bronze mirage
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Electric mg raid

tall python
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Rebuild Plate

bronze mirage
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Force flora elegg guil Rosanna

lucid pumice
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boss but every attack does 1 dmg with hitcount shield the whole fight

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5x mg teams

tall python
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Idk if that shield was hitcount or damage tho

lucid pumice
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its ok im saving for xmas(next sr)

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unknown object was dmg

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because the collab units gave shield dmg up

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imagine giving shield dmg up and its a hitcount

amber hemlock
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I mean, 700% shield damage buff would mean 1 damage to 7 damage, I guess? kek

lucid pumice
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im pretty sure it stays at 1

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cuz its 100% DR for hitcount shields

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multiplicative with dmg up bracket

amber hemlock
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it was definitely damage tho

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Otherwise shield would've been up for the whole fight using SG comp

tall python
amber hemlock
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Lemme get to Mirror Container in Hard 32 and I'll find a way to use Flora heh

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trust

weary pasture
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and now 175 more because of my message

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bronze mirage
rare vapor
tawdry crystal
onyx mason
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ikr why would anyone skip this

lucid pumice
amber hemlock
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Oh true

amber hemlock
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Honestly not terrible considering she's 4/4/4 with +0 T9Ms kek

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and I positioned her wrong

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I'll try with correct positioning now, but I'm going to hate the burst buttons KEKL

oblique wren
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40 sec in this economy? Are we back to appril fool's again?

dusky mirage
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Maybe one of her squadmates will have a skill that reduces the burst cooldown of fellow squadmates by 20s Copium

amber hemlock
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looool positioning for S2 made no difference kekwwa

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Margin of error

onyx mason
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test without bursting with flora

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i really hope that doesnt make the number bigger

rare vapor
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Ok the coper, the simp, the goon, we all tried

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Its time to unplug her life support

wind dome
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mmmm

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Idk how that team works

ripe star
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Honestly it’s fun seeing the cope

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Keep on gents

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M’flora

onyx mason
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Ill start my testing after i max her

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Might take a bit longer than it should have though with me prepping the wrong items

clever grove
amber hemlock
brave summit
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So umm, still skip, yah?

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Sucks, she’s cute

amber hemlock
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Yup. Skip unless you pull for waifu

bronze mirage
dense nebula
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Pull to smell the roses, skip to get violet

rare vapor
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pretty sure no one can die here

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oh asuka cmon man

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but the side heal position is kinda good thinkies

amber hemlock
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Yeah, Flora makes for very comfy run

dense nebula
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Oh if it's great enough

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Could be like Rapunzel and be a noburst healer just to survive

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Reminds me of when we use Noise and alternate bursting her for the heals while taking advantage of Noise taunting TOMstare

amber hemlock
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Yeah, that's why I refuse statements saying she's bad

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Just just not meta delugiggle

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We have Soda and Mary as examples for what bad healing is actually like heh

dense nebula
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Emma!

dense nebula
amber hemlock
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True

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As is Soda delugiggle

junior orchid
bronze mirage
full void
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will flora get buffed by shiftup

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we should complain

junior orchid
tawdry crystal
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smell her flower.

ripe star
rare vapor
onyx mason
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how many ammo rolls should i go for?

plain dove
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all of them

onyx mason
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ok so 4 ele 4 atk 4 ammo

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gotcha

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I never know with MG units

rare vapor
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got fking leeched to ded

wind dome
weary pasture
onyx mason
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Burst=S2 > S1

weary pasture
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Burst = S2 doesnt matter cause they use different mats

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so there's no point in defining a priority between burst and skills

onyx mason
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i know

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:c

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actually it does for me since im out of electric code manuals

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cindy ein isabel flora exia bankrupting me

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my electric manuals

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:c

shy knot
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electric unit used to be shit other than scarlet lol

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now draining too many e manuals

steel oxide
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Did you unfriend him

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Your stupid ass friend probably doesn't care about meta anyways

hoary forge
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damn even her bond makes me stupid

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shit unit with weird shit story on both event + bonds

tawdry crystal
steel oxide
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LOL

tawdry crystal
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but yeah, he was dumb and got lucky

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the reason he spent a single pull just to balance out the advance ticket, it was 21 before the pull.

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@steel oxide I GOT MY REVENGE!!

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free pull

steel oxide
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BASED Grave duper I love that

tawdry crystal
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Yeah, she is 1* now

queen arrow
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ALTEISEN COMP [FIXED]
Rosanna SAnis Flora Crown RH

Strategy:

  • Start by using RH B1 → Crown → RH B3, and RNG till the missiles kill her. Kill the parts on the left. This will allow Rosanna to start stacking, and the infinite ammo from Crown + SAnis will make Rosanna gain ~6 stacks by this point.
  • As soon as your screen hovers close to Alteisen's right parts, use Rosanna → Crown → SAnis to enter Full Burst and quickly kill them. You also gain multiple stacks for Rosanna thanks to infinite ammo Flora/Rosanna.
  • Then, survive.

Technically fun troll team for all bosses.

junior orchid
bronze mirage
amber hemlock
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Why not just B2 with RH and miss so missiles kill her 100%? heh

ionic shell
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How good is Flora's healing compared to other dedicated healers, particularly in regards to single target healing?

tall python
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Lower than almost every healer ever

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To make it more clear
She heals 10% of a Nikke's hp in 10 seconds (a full burst)

Rapunzel shoots 7 shots for 4% hp during 10 seconds, that's ×2.8 that of flora

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Flora has a burst heal of 10% too if she burstz

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So that's 20% straight normal heal

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I guess

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At best

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U get the burst heal every 40s tho

ripe star
hoary forge
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She has healing potency too

tall python
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12% Vs 28% Doro

hoary forge
ionic shell
tall python
ionic shell
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21%/s at full stacks?

tall python
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It's 20% heal potency

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On 1% heal

ionic shell
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oh

tall python
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That's 1.2% heal

ionic shell
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damn

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I was thinking it would be cool if they came out with like... a nikke that bestows taunt on another unit, because there are nikkes with skills that trigger when being hit but who don't have taunts (or their taunts are short)

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so you could like build a kind of 3 person supertank with them and flora

tall python
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Maybe in PvP it is

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But in PvE, not really

ionic shell
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If the trigger abilities were good enough, it would be a question of funneling damage onto that nikke and keeping her alive

tall python
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You need to go on the offensive as much as you can, even if it means a unit dies

tall python
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Even if we talk numbers, flora wasn't enough :/

ionic shell
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so like... imagine, say, Admi gets a treasure, and her buffs become super op. But she doesn't have any taunts or healing

tall python
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Tia is the only major defensive unit used

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I think

ionic shell
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if you had a nikke whose "activates on being damaged" abilities were really good but didn't have a way to keep herself alive, a nikke with broken healing that could only be applied to a single target would have play

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There's no nikke like that right now.

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I was just trying to think of possiibilities that could make flora viable in the future. But if her healing isn't even that good then idk FaunaDeadYT

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lol

ember spire
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Flora might have low healing, but at least it's CONSISTENT, non-conditional healing

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so she compares more favorably against units like Emma that function in more of less the same way, but without being wholly dependent on being targeted by enemies and burst healing

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I still don't expect anyone to run Flora for the time being, because her damage steroids exclusively buff True Damage and few units are even capable of dishing that out (and in the few cases that they do, like Ein, only a fraction of their damage output is True Damage-related)

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But as a pure healer, there are much worse options than Flora

plain dove
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there are also much better options

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and usually those much better options aren't even used shiftyderp

tall python
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trash compared with trash Doro

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i still dk why people are so hung up on flora

ember spire
queen arrow
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I know when ShiftUp makes a kit that looks shit but its gonna be meta later.

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Flora is one.

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They're gonna make an op broken unit who relies so much on stacks that you cant run her without Flora.

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That has to wait tho since Electric weak raid is still far.

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But expect 2-3-4 months.

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This is a copium post.

ionic shell
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Her kit is very interesting to me, which is usually a good sign for "Might be used later". I feel like I have a pretty good track record for calling out units who were thought trash on arrival and then later turned out to be used (even if only for specific fights)

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But yeah I just really like her design and character so I want her to be useful lol

junior orchid
onyx mason
queen arrow
junior orchid
queen arrow
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We will soon fight it fr fr.

onyx mason
junior orchid
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Just make a B3 CDR unit to make it possible

queen arrow
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And she will be pullable.

junior orchid
queen arrow
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But people say Liber is PSID so.

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I think Siren is electric tho.

unique geyser
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just build unit 40s that not relies on burst

onyx mason
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not... water?

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bubble blower... isnt... water?

unique geyser
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like cdr unit with huge skill buff

queen arrow
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I mean look at Cindy

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I think Rapi SSR new year fire

onyx mason
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Cindy doesnt blow bubbles to fight

queen arrow
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Next raid is Iron

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February is wind

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Idk

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Next 3 is for sure Iron Fire Wind.

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In whatever order.

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Tho Im expecting water dps pilgrim soon

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Could it be Nayuta?

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HanselGretel?

junior orchid
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cries in 70 mileage

onyx mason
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cries in 0 mileage

queen arrow
onyx mason
queen arrow
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I have core 5 maiden

onyx mason
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oh mine is mlb

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its fine

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had to check

raw prawn
onyx mason
wind dome
wild pilot
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Rem's kit isn't powercreeped so much as we just lack meta RL B3 who benefit from ATK buffs. Cindy is a good first start but she needs a friend.

ember spire
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Rem is a classic case of a support for a hypothetical niche that doesn't actually exist yet (which is kind of hilarious when you consider that she came out 8 months ago)

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If the roster had a LOT more RL Attacker Nikke, Rem would be a natural fit for a 4th or 5th team in Solo Raids

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But instead, the only real RL Attackers outside of PVP are Treasure Laplace, Scarlet Black Shadow, and Cinderella. Treasure Laplace is solid but not good enough to be run outside of Electric bosses / Missilis Tower, Scarlet Black Shadow is the best Attacker at the moment and permanently welded to Alice + Crown, and Cinderella is better off paired with Rouge (which means you're probably running her with either Blanc or Crown + S.Anis)

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Rem's kit has never been bad, but we need a LOT more meta RL Atackers for her to actually be relevant

queen arrow
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It's decent but no longer good.

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Unless there are 2 meta broken RLs, it's only wish.

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Maybe.

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There are just always better supports and integratability and versatility.

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For every type of team.

dense nebula
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Even if there are two meta broken RLs

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It's a fact that what Rem offers isn't unique (and advantageous) enough anymore

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Even if she was better, it's now by a certain degree of superiority

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Such as, if you'd do 1b with Rem, a worse but still pretty good B2 would be 900m - and this same B2 is compatible with way more comps

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With differences like that, Rem is probably NIKKE's worst character crash and burn after being hyped up and relevant

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Now? She's only advantageous if you happen to want to counter Fire QTEs with a B2 💀 With specific B3s.

hoary forge
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rem gives 50% ATK

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pretty lame

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comparing to Graves with 40% dmg debuff

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or Mari

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and Crown is brutally 60% dmg buff

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ATK is very inflated currently

amber hemlock
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Rem still used for water-weak raids and is a good throwaway unit in UR for water-weak bosses

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A2 is truly dead

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Though Grave's release may seal Rem's fate from now on, only time will tell

tall python
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A2 is a PvP unit

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Only power is truly dead

dense nebula
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Power was alive?

tranquil vine
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At least A2 had her time in the sun, Power never had high lvl use

tranquil vine
wild pilot
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Is 2B still relevant for fire raids or has she also completely died?

dense nebula
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Still relevant, but at risk

tall python
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Do you not know of

dense nebula
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Only a few players which have her built do well with her in Solo Raid

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Like seriously built, so they have smaller incentive to give up on her

tall python
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2b's church of Hayde

wild pilot
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I'm in JP server

tall python
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Ah

wind dome
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Those Rh are B1 and B3 both ways are good

drowsy surge
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For fire raid don't think she will dropped soon

wind dome
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Yeah even if su pulls another fire dps 2b is still p5

ripe star
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who even uses 2B

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Not me EmmaSmirk

wind dome
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At least top 200 used 2b against fire weak raids

ripe star
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Good for them

amber hemlock
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PvP is a entirely different meta delul

solemn lance
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Excuse me, bay is not meta

wild pilot
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Isn't she meta for quick burst teams? Being like fourth highest burst gen in the game, with SR Anis one of the three faster than her coming with a huge CP cost?

plain dove
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Probably thinking of rumani

wild pilot
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Oh, maybe I am MedeaThink

ripe star
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Nikkes I may pull and can’t pull Doropression

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junior orchid
ripe star
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Might as well make a noahless one too

junior orchid
amber hemlock
wind dome
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Poor Mimi, pvp player noahless

rustic belfry
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Id in flora

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Florida

wind dome
fallen imp
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after reading some minutes in the tread.... Skip

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right

south parrot
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yup, skip

stark falcon
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pull her for this

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onyx mason
stark falcon
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I should pull flora for this! woo USB sticks

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hoary forge
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if you haven't run out of usb data

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I guess you haven't used new trade system

stark falcon
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i don't wanna be the guy who suddenly runs out of usb sticks when wanting to rush a sync breakpoint

wind dome
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Exactly

stark falcon
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so no exchange shop yet

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only re-energy so far

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and even then keeping some stash of it

solemn lance
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Just leave like 1k or 500 usb box around as backup

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use the rest

wild pilot
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Holy shit I can leave myself 1K boxes and still gain 73K core dust if my math is right.

Thanks for the reminder to actually use the exchange system lol

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Still only what, six levels?

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Shits expensive nowdays

river shale
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Maybe 10-20 levels worth of data

stone glade
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Just a reminder Pull this unit. She cute

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MISSILIS PRIDE RIGHT HERE

dense nebula
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Plucks Flora’s petal

onyx mason
dense nebula
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Should I?

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I could always chase MLB before daily reset pepehmmm

stark falcon
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what kind of question is that coming from a leviathan

onyx mason
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pull

dense nebula
mint galleon
stark falcon
ember trench
boreal edge
onyx mason
onyx mason
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New Years gonna be Flora time

onyx mason
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(image 1) should I lock third and just roll for second then first? or lock third and first
(image 2) do i lock second and look for third or lock both, none?

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rare vapor
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so if your objective is to achieve 3/3 lines here

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with as low cost as possible

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(image 1) soft lock ammo with custom, reroll 2 rocks each attempt for atk/ed second line

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(image 2), would strongly leaving as it is cuz it getting too expensive , like i know u like her but its so expensive to even think about it, i lost couple braincell thinking aobut it

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but......

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softlock ed and reroll for atk

onyx mason
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Will do

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i will cause you more lost braincells

rare vapor
onyx mason
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once I get 12 black lines

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I refuse to count the amount of rocks I am losing

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I do not want to know

junior orchid
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Guess who got spooked by Flora from the Missilis mold

queen arrow
junior orchid
stark falcon
weary pasture
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mid and extra mid

ember spire
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At least Phantom is actually useful in her manufacturer tower

wild pilot
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Maybe NY pilgrim will be a 40s B2

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Part of Flora's issue is we still don't have a good 40s B2 who then therefore wants another 40s B2 friend

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If we did could do something like S.Anis & Ein

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But current best for that is... Biscuit & Flora?

wind dome
ember spire
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But we don't really have a good pairing of B3 True Damage units

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The closest we have is Ein + Treasure Laplace

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And even then, only 50% of Ein's damage is True Damage, and Treasure Laplace only does True Damage every other burst

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So Flora has to be evaluated solely on healing/shielding at the moment, rather than her offensive True Damage buffs for her team

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When we have a much fuller True Damage roster, I expect that Flora will be a solid support. She just doesn't support a viable niche right now

onyx mason
onyx mason
weary pasture
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shit

plain dove
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hey at least you got her for basically free

wind dome
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yeah those are free bond gems

weary pasture
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true

onyx mason
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WINNING

weary pasture
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even gave her a R doll

junior orchid
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Are we winning chat?

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stark falcon
plain dove
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that team is cursed on so many different lvls

junior orchid
dense nebula
onyx mason
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Nuh uh

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plain dove
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oh father I have sinned

onyx mason
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I can finally use my exp material

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ok im out of rocks

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but yknow

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Now I just need skill mats for her

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and then Ill have another piece for Flora team

plain dove
onyx mason
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Flora is finally 10/10/10

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Took long enough

wind dome
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So who's the best duo for her?

queen arrow
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Grave

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Flora as offburst support

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Perma true damage for team

wind dome
shy gazelle
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So few people ever use Flora that no one at ShiftUp noticed that her icon transparency wasn't set properly?

dense nebula
rare vapor
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naga icon is even weirder with the outter of the umbrella branching out of frame

wind dome
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Bro naga eyes

shy gazelle
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Don't they usually disable those items for other Nikke?

rare vapor
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no

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it just Naga and Cocoa umbrella is open top/near black transparent (cocoa)

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flora be white

onyx mason
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Shame on you

junior orchid
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Uhhm to be fair, the record player is removed for RH's portrait

dense nebula
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Imagine RH having a record player playing next to her while she’s in combat KEKS

junior orchid
onyx mason
junior orchid
ember trench
arctic lark
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Rouge dupe over a B3?

ember trench
arctic lark
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Ein

ember trench
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C1, Already done with CH28 Hard and not going to use her until MC 6 months from now

arctic lark
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you duped Rouge for Cinder neutrals?

ember trench
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She is a must for any kind of raid now, and yeah, to make cindy and x.maiden stronger

queen arrow
ember trench
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"slightly stronger"

ember trench
hoary forge
ember trench
hoary forge
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C7

weary pasture
onyx mason
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finally. one step closer

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im missing 2 lines now. both first line

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after this comes rolling for black lines

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I might be here until the 4th anni

junior orchid
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Her s1 doesn't proc Crown's s2 buff

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Am I missing something here? Susge

orchid dirge
junior orchid
arctic lark
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Blanc doesn't either.

orchid dirge
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Blanc-Crown team (why) weirdness aside
Blanc "constantly" healing has two parts
burst proc at the start
S2 procs after burst
so I guess if you do run this team
no full uptime but it works

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notably Crown S2 expires 7 secs after Blanc burst
doesn't matter burst heals for 8

hoary forge
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hoary forge
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38% deficit

restive mist
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kinda low for you?

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49%+ should be possible right