[Grave] New Unit Megathread

[celest echo]

Yeah I started to care about OL rolls yesterday

[misty sparrow]

XD

[native moat]

hm, fair

[twin ingot]

Only one second from my timing

[valid mesa]

Full burst lasts 10 seconds.

Liter gives ~8.3 second CDR

So at minimum it's 1.7 seconds

But yeah not long

[twin ingot]

I mean the generation itself

[valid mesa]

Yeah

S1 can probably be left at level 4

[twin ingot]

S1 at 10 can overpower any cdr Nikke we have

[valid mesa]

S2 boosts her personal damage.... Which seems to not actually be that great

[twin ingot]

Depends on your standards and investment, really

[valid mesa]

She could well be a 4/4/10 support

[twin ingot]

She's pumping out enough damage for me to respect it, at least

but she does need Asuka/Rei

Without them, probably meh

[valid mesa]

4/4/10 and duplicates are almost completely unnecessary

She's a very generous kit tbh

[twin ingot]

Yup

[valid mesa]

Yeah I'll probably raise her S2 for fire team shenanigans

But will leave that for when a fire raid is closer

[twin ingot]

Oh right, I wanted to test her on my alt since my alt has the good fire rolls

[uncut edge]

what cube is best/second best for her?

[twin ingot]

Assault is best theoretically

But use whatever gives most stats (so highest level)

Resilience technically is a debuff for her, but I don't think it actually matters enough

[uncut edge]

think someone said avoid max ammo

[twin ingot]

Nah, max ammo is fine but simply not useful

for OL rolls

Max Ammo actually helps keep her in Heat Emission mode

[uncut edge]

so wingman fine?

[twin ingot]

but the burst gen she provides is so strong that it doesn't matter

Is your Wingman higher than your Bastion/Resilience?

[uncut edge]

cause i already have 10 other chars fighting for assault

[uncut edge]

they're all same lvl

[twin ingot]

Oh, are you the type that doesn't swap cubes?

Assault is bad on majority of Nikkes

I'd honestly give her healing cube over Wingman

[uncut edge]

i occasuinally look in here and use the prydwen reviews but that's it, i aint tryharding, just need to not actively impede myself

[peak mural]

nice name

[uncut edge]

[shadow topaz]

do you have the same for cindy?

[twin ingot]

It's mine, so technically just DM me I guess, but pretty sure this server has pinned docs/sites that have similar with cleaner layouts

[minor sinew]

omg the way her overheat buff stack so slow need step by stop 15>30>60 and got only 2.5s overheat 3

[past yacht]

#1299716154125713549 message

[shadow topaz]

thx

[celest echo]

Grave pretty nasty for DPS, basically always in burst

[thin viper]

So does it mean Grave always in heat

I'm seeing myself out 🏃‍♂️

[celest echo]

Yeah

it was insane burst gen though, liter on stack 3 could barely keep up

gonna try with DKW so I can let liter go help others

i didn't know who else to stack in there aside from modernia

[thin viper]

Hmm, I'm at hard 32, Fire weak

[twin ingot]

DKW struggles even more

[celest echo]

she's my pierce baby tho

[twin ingot]

Probably need 4x charge speed, 4x max ammo, and level 7+ adjutant to keep up

[celest echo]

oh that's a good call

[supple fern]

probably won't work consistently

no way you can make her trigger cdr twice per burst

bc that's what she needs

[twin ingot]

Ah true

[celest echo]

so you think liter just stays with that team, DKW goes to alice and SBS, and then Rouge with Crown and Cindy?

[twin ingot]

Also no, don't waste that many rocks on DKW

Probably ye

DKW doesn't buff Grave or Asuka anyway pierce-wise

[thin viper]

The problem is my Crown is core 1, while Grave is 0, so replacing Crown does cost Power

[twin ingot]

so better to keep her with RH or Alice

[misty sparrow]

X1 ammo and done

[celest echo]

yeah, my issue is that my asuka is not built at all

Fortunately, I think 3 big teams should be enough for this SR

[twin ingot]

I don't see fire comp being present this time

so holding off on Asuka is probably fine

Banner after anni should hopefully be a relatively easy skip

[celest echo]

it's || flora ||

[coarse gust]

[celest echo]

My stash is healthy atm so I'm not too worried about pulling

Mostly just rock deprived

[twin ingot]

I mean rock/skill mats/gear exp

[celest echo]

I burned 180 between cindy, Grave, and fixing a few other units

[twin ingot]

Need more units to ignore

[celest echo]

yea, I can't do rouge because I ran 35 yellow burst books short

so she's 10/10/9

but that should be okay, it's just 2% max hp

[tidal pendant]

literally unusable 😔

[tall surge]

does grave require manual play?

[celest echo]

true

[twin ingot]

Nope

[tall surge]

[celest echo]

Pointless to get MLB grave or worth

I'm thinking pointless, but she has the best nickname in the game

[supple fern]

🦸‍♂️

[twin ingot]

If you aren't aiming for numerical ranks in solo raid, aren't a whale, and aren't interested in the lobby BG, then it's never worth to MLB a non-limited unit

[shadow topaz]

instead do it for her amazing backstory and those abs

[coarse gust]

Doesnt Grave just open new dps window, her best selling point, damage buff come second

[misty sparrow]

Sounds like Rem, she also opened a new dps window

[frank silo]

https://tenor.com/view/cmd-command-dos-windows-msdos-gif-12422793

[supple fern]

well grave won't get remmed for a while at least

srosa and mari need to get completely benched before it's grave's turn

[misty sparrow]

pls SU dont creep grave

we already got tons of b2 creep this year

[coarse gust]

Its very obvious in indi
Asuka-Rei-Mod-Crown-Liter (Asuka burst into smoke)
Asuka-Rei-Mod-Grave-Liter (Asuka no longer burst into smoke)

[tidal pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-mode-opening-window-from-darkness-sunlight-gif-15206620

[shadow topaz]

hit rate and max ammo for 3rd stats are fine right? just used the 2 stones I got from AI to reroll the helmet and gloves

[coarse gust]

Its not harmful but its not useful neither

[shadow topaz]

well my endgoal is 12/12 so any of the stats thats good in 3rd slot is a win in my book

oh nvm, I just read the pins and ammo sucks

[dense pendant]

it is for burst gen lol

@shadow topaz

[coarse gust]

prolly can catch up with Modernia (44atk17ed) at same investment, Grave only have 10ed22hitrate

[coarse gust]

The Grave Liter dps window (Rein waste burst into transition/smoke = good)

idfk why the qte took forever, prolly gotta try with asuka to break it next time

[rigid wyvern]

Seems that I dun have to cook anymore

[cunning pecan]

Can we still do Alice+Asuka+Naga with Grave?

[coarse gust]

Naga loose 60% of her buff without Crown so no

[rare sandal]

Yes Mod sucks she needs omega investment

Literally needs at least 3 ammo

3 ele

3 atk minimum

Tbh my Mod is cored

I should try fixing her after Alice or I will skip Alice

Still ned to fix Cindy

Will totally ivnore Grave

Not worth wasting gear and rocks

[coarse gust]

imagine not gamble your only rock for the best girl and lost fate

[rare sandal]

Best girl?

[iron crescent]

i mean im not even pulling soooo

[rare sandal]

Save ur rocks

And gear

The more gear u use

The less u can spam kraken

In the future

Its not about teh rocks

Its about teh gear

[coarse gust]

have some fun

[rare sandal]

If u buy me anniv pass

[valid mesa]

10/7/10????

For Grave???

Who is spending that many books on S1 that barely exists

4/7/10

Would be what I expected

4/4/10 if not running with NGE

S1 is 2-4 seconds depending on how much CDR you have. And those seconds are outside burst at that.

Almost completely irrelevant pierce buff.

[coarse gust]

SR unit u dont want to 10 s1?

[heavy belfry]

S2 is self DPS, if u don't have investment in ele atk can keep it low

[tulip carbon]

I think it’ll take me another year to run out of gear especially if I cautiously only OL characters I want. I’m not in the running for top 200, but pretty sure I’ll keep top 3%.

Champion Arena might change things if wanting to OL PvP characters to rank better or win…

[solemn badger]

Grave is better than Mari right?

[thin willow]

Still waiting but do people know how she fairs with Asuka vs Crown

[coarse gust]

Better bang for the skill book

[onyx crown]

man I haven't read her skills properly

[keen swan]

guys am i bricking myself by skipping if i have built mari and mlb crown already

[valid mesa]

It's not the 7 confusing me but the 10 for S1

It goes away when she bursts again so we're talking about spending a tonne of resources just to raise a pierce buff and burst gen which are active for ~2 seconds, outside of burst

[coarse gust]

no, they offer different way to play

[heavy belfry]

It's for burst generation

You can get a full extra burst in

14 bursts

[valid mesa]

Does she need level 10 for that though?

It's already a good burst gen buff at 4 or 7

[heavy belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301225413456035893/1303857980483043419/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_36.mp4?ex=672df09f&is=672c9f1f&hm=d9a61058619f926796d8428a3b4675ff38f8abc5ca102edb0c0cdbba56a573bc&

Lvl10 or lvl7 both work

Lvl10 is just fast asf tho

[keen swan]

is she auto friendly or do i have to manual her

[heavy belfry]

Lvl10 is beneficial for everyone, especially auto players

[coarse gust]

very auto friendly

[coarse gust]

brick

add extra cp cant lowball like that

2 days passed

and no godtier Grave yet

slow cook

[severe needle]

big dick DPS Grave here, just you wait, she's charging up

[silent maple]

Why is ammo a brick?

[coarse gust]

just a joke no worry

[thin viper]

Cube for Grave?

[coarse gust]

highest level cube

[onyx crown]

so S1 helps reach burst faster

S2 is self buff

1/1/10

take it or leave

[thin viper]

me holding bastion and resilience cubes
Nani?

[celest sky]

oh investment got change

so this was right

[coarse gust]

yea basically it just get more stat for her dps

[twin ingot]

Ammo isn't a brick outside of CP-based gamemodes

It's just not useful

[magic prism]

brick is when got max ammo on last bullet unit.
but compared to ammo, at least cs is more useful on PVP

[static summit]

so, grave must OL?

[cyan turret]

OL-ing Grave at least it not a must in current Raid, right? so i can focus to get better line for Cinderlla

[coarse gust]

yes

[coarse gust]

i dont think i would like to "control" grave this reloading shiet

[orchid osprey]

So its been a few days, coming to check if graves is decent for a fire team comp

Worth investing?

Mainly solo raid

[cyan turret]

Probably it will if for Solo Raid, because there's not much good B2 anyway, especially fire

[green arrow]

it depends on the solo raid

if boss hurts, you probably need to slot in helm or an off burst healer

because there's no b1 cdr that also heals atm (except rouge)

but can you really call rouge as a healer?

[thin viper]

I have no idea what language this is but I agree 😄

[misty sparrow]

What are the cheap ols for her? X4 ele?

yeah the necessary ones are X4 ele

[valid mesa]

honestly just reroll every piece until you have one ATK or Ele line

no need to spend too many rocks on her

[misty sparrow]

I guess her dps is too bad xD

Like doro

It doesn't matter, she's B2 we need her

[winter veldt]

bruh now i notice, the tierlist maker is a messi fan

[thin viper]

bad against bosses or heavy armor mobs

other than that, she deal decent dmg

[misty sparrow]

Her flat DMG is around 1b

[thin viper]

and help asuka kill lowly mobs faster, so Asuka can focus on a bigger target

[misty sparrow]

That's really good

[thin viper]

From Chapter 28 hard onward, most of stages are fire weak

so Grave is very nice to have, make your life easier, but not too easy.

[orchid osprey]

me stuck in chapter 11 hard 🥲

[thin viper]

Do I look sane to you

[final moat]

I am stuck hard

[misty sparrow]

[orchid osprey]

same bro same, cinderella carried me from chap 9 all the way to 11 but no more D:

[final moat]

Rip

[minor sinew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8raUSYhFjig

Grave infinity "Overheat3" works

[onyx crown]

[fossil patrol]

So thats how you’re supposed to use Grave

[green arrow]

waow! 1b personal damage

at sync 500+

over 3 minutes

[coarse gust]

Should do much more prolly OL not completed

[gaunt dawn]

funneling for Grave

[green arrow]

grave treasure change her weapon to MG

[mystic laurel]

can someone explain that yt vid

[thin viper]

cooldown burst + fast burst charge

and she can shoot without ever reload

[misty sparrow]

yay I found my new toy for rh the next raid

the anti-synergy between crown rh is wild xd

7/4/7 mari, 7/7/7 grave 10/10/10 crown

[onyx crown]

he used 2 FBR

Vesti and Isabella

so that team burst back to back

[harsh sonnet]

isabelle treasure trust

[brazen flint]

Is this team comp?

[slow orchid]

not really

[severe bramble]

Guess RH works

Now at least i have 4 teams secured for SR

[misty sparrow]

Well Rh always works as B3 covering a weak team if your investment is low or as B1 if you need high DPS in your high invested units

Simple

[severe bramble]

Im going casual

Still good to know

At least i can bring modernia in Grave team

[misty sparrow]

Asuka Rei mod

[coarse gust]

Very good story experience, auto except spam dwife beginning the burst continuation is insane

[misty sparrow]

[coarse gust]

Auto friendly no need to spam between wave anymore , QoL

[misty sparrow]

45 fps

[coarse gust]

For what she does with the burst gauge, thats an SSS ability

[misty sparrow]

Yeah her burst gauge helps a lot the asuka Rei mod comp

[coarse gust]

So the comp is without Crown means riskier, the grave comp provide 2-3 dps who can finish the job if one falls. I think this is an example where if my Grave built, she could have pierce the wave into the boss to finish off herself after Asuka dies (Mod might be interrupted by blocking raptures)

[heavy belfry]

Can you share deficit

[heavy belfry]

Nice

[heavy belfry]

Low deficit you don't die

@onyx crown @rare sandal deficit is quite high here man

[coarse gust]

These are on phone and almost auto (easy stages)

[onyx crown]

high and lost

damn, who would have though

[heavy belfry]

@onyx crown

There's also high and won

I'm not saying she's SSS hd but LD might be a case

[coarse gust]

That loss cuz Grave unbuilt

2 pierce

[heavy belfry]

Also using mid nikkes

Imagine Rh in the mix

Burst gen even better

[coarse gust]

I think Grave is a push for cdr coming back

Not a rhb1 partner

An alternative

[heavy belfry]

I mean Rh as b3

[coarse gust]

Too fast for no cdr

[heavy belfry]

Sorry

I meant

Rh as b3

[coarse gust]

Oh

[heavy belfry]

Over asuka

Or rei

I wanna see how well it fares in full auto

[coarse gust]

I like these girls synergy more, i guess people would explore other picks

Depend on situation

Mono fire synergy just too strong

I just need Dwife spam at beginning and once the burst starts it doesnt seem to stop

[coarse gust]

Actually smooth, 2 b1 to rotate around, 3 b3 to rotate around. But this stage has no strictly dangerous enemies so auto is ok here, need to decide which burst order to use if stage become complicated

And let modernia bursting seem an L

[heavy belfry]

Mod needs to be first burst not 2nd here

[coarse gust]

No

That would add 5s onto Grave

[heavy belfry]

[heavy belfry]

Let DWife be B1 both times

[coarse gust]

2 pierce into wave

Should be enough wave clear

[heavy belfry]

Forget Rh b1

[heavy belfry]

Who'd be the 2nd pierce

[coarse gust]

Grave

Lol

Better to manual b1 rh to enable asuka for complete clear

Not enough damage case

With ReiA enough

With RH need b1 first

Otherwise kinda wasted

Rh does nothing first

Heavy weight combination would be:
Asuka-Grave-Alice-RH-Dwife

[heavy belfry]

[shadow topaz]

fml I was rerolling my helmet with the 3 stones I got, why no 3rd line

[north hamlet]

Wow gave up on your queen already?

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-modernia-marian-big-head-angry-gif-6789801042687247120

[heavy belfry]

Irrelevant in story for now

Me don't care until relevant again

[north hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/marian-nikke-modernia-goddess-of-victory-nocturnsheep-gif-14325522984016389950

[willow viper]

Is grave's personal damage good?

The pinned messages want her to have full attacker OLs

But, is it really necessary to do that if I have cindy/SBS to work on?

[willow viper]

@heavy belfry what's wrong with ammo on grave? Does it brick her like sanis?

Oh ok

Like this...? lol

Basically a cp padding piece then

What cube should she use?

[heavy belfry]

she has infinite ammo on burst

ask yourself

does smolwhite need ammo

[willow viper]

Gotcha. I thought you said ammo is unacceptable because it would brick her like sanis/doro

It's just a useless line is all

So basically go for ele + atk on 4 pieces

Anything else is bonus cp

[willow viper]

Gotcha

[coarse gust]

NEVER GIVE UP best girl

[rare sandal]

No B2 is SSS if it only works in Fire Weak

Grave can push u to 33% deficit

But a proper Asuka Alice comp can push to >40%

Diff elements have diff deficit thresholds

[coarse gust]

My dude watch me chapter33 and 34 with fire comp

[peak mural]

is grave worth pulling or should i skip if im low on pulls?

already got mlb cindy

[coarse gust]

Liter vs Dwife mainly, Grave is just a cameo for now (28.5%) The burst never stops, Dwife constantly on CDR . Did try to bring Cindy but cant break the parts (Grave not strong enough to cover yet)

Team has no cube at all for lowball reason

[slow orchid]

🚫 🇰🇷

[coarse gust]

meanie ajusshi

[fast vigil]

You didnt manual DWife

[coarse gust]

ye i didnt, i have to?

[fast vigil]

I think? Her cdr works on full charge, so Alicing her might help

[peak mural]

just let dwife on her own

[fast vigil]

Alicing her won't help cdr?

[peak mural]

what i meant is, let the ai control dwife

also her cs affect 2 highest atk, you dont want dwife to get it

rather sbs and alice

[fast vigil]

I see

[shadow topaz]

graves burst generation is insane

[tulip carbon]

Tomorrow, we finally get an actual Challenge Solo Raid 💀

[misty sparrow]

In raids like land eater sure 1-1-3 no healer>2-1-2 tiga

[coarse gust]

I ran Asuka-ReiA-Mod-Crown-Dwife before
Now i take Crown and Dwife out for Grave Liter (Grave is still very bad on OL, but already caught up with ReiA and maybe considred near high atk modernia?
tldr: same score (still lots of room for improvement in OL and control), seem higher ceiling with Grave for this specific non-alice comp

was panic and cover at the end, but the burst gauge should fill up instantly

perfect scenario at 30s and Liter still on CDR

[misty sparrow]

Hey that Korean sounds really good

[winged swan]

Is Rei replaceable with Alice

[coarse gust]

Yes Alice is best to replace ReiA

2 variants of the same continuous bursting without delay

[winged swan]

Dwife spook me plz

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1264621049278890087.png?quality=lossless&name=zad&size=48

[onyx crown]

Mid

🚮

[untold crag]

what cube for her ?

[onyx crown]

anything works

[mighty mist]

dkw is mid?

[onyx crown]

grave

I finally have time to index her

looks bad

a buffer, with just some more DPS

[mighty mist]

grave feels above mid at least

[onyx crown]

no point in OL ing her or pushing her S1 and S2 at all

[mighty mist]

[mystic laurel]

its 7/7/10 atleast or nah

[peak mural]

i blew 15 rocks on this woman

[onyx crown]

4/4/10 if you want to use her as peak buffer

don't expect damage from her

[peak mural]

if so, OL is essentially meaningless on her ?

[onyx crown]

yes

I fail to see why we have to pour so much into her to roll ATK, Ele

to have Crown DPS

[peak mural]

-15 rocks then

fuck

[thin viper]

harder, daddy

[green arrow]

you'd get your reward on fire weak raid

but until then,

[peak mural]

doing Crown level of dps is just pain man

[green arrow]

how much ele atk at least?

from those 15 rocks

[thin viper]

I only OL her one time per gears

as I do need her to push hard campaign, Grave I mean

other than that, no wasting rock on her

[onyx crown]

so you use her over Crown

you deserve to get stuck

[peak mural]

some charge speed, charge dmg and about 40% ele

[rigid wyvern]

I putting my trust in Grave

Old machinist only need to lube up her inside

[coarse gust]

Not a good experience pushing “neutral stage” with non-alice grave comp around 30% decifit

Especially in the case team constantly get harassed by boss

[gaunt dawn]

Graves + Crown(off-burst) might be better than Crown + Naga

in some stages

[coarse gust]

Ohh i like this idea alot

can pen neutral at 29% now

[coarse gust]

And indeed only for some maps, dont work on next one

[misty sparrow]

Momo is your Cinderella SR 15?

[coarse gust]

yes

[misty sparrow]

I guess those "no deficit affect stats from the doll" are important too

[coarse gust]

its the best affordable way without core up

[misty sparrow]

[sonic juniper]

I need more skill mats

[coarse gust]

found grave keycode for next floor

[tulip carbon]

Why not just use Crown in that team?

[coarse gust]

just want to play with new unit to see how those abs holding

[coarse gust]

did i play her wrong here, i thought after she ends her burst, she will recharge the gauge really fast

[peak mural]

skill recommended for Grave ?

[winged swan]

.

[peak mural]

so expensive

[coarse gust]

this one is so fast

[fleet spoke]

Whos good with grave

[coarse gust]

Oh found out why, just read the skill

[coarse gust]

Pierce units and whoever need to burst fast

[onyx crown]

4/4/10

believe me bitch

her DPS doesn't exist

no point pumping her S1 and S2

[green arrow]

s1 is fine, maybe can buy you 1 more burst or 3-4 seconds of fb

[severe needle]

damage is damage

https://tenor.com/view/idk-emoji-what-say-what-wait-what-gif-4624697785713851431

[green arrow]

and lvl 10 s2 is just preliminary investment for fire weak raid down the road

[onyx crown]

good luck squeezing dmg from her

from my pov, she deals as much as Crown on Core hit

[green arrow]

mmm, i wanna squeeze something else

[tulip carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-clean-squeeze-smile-water-gif-16650674

[sharp moon]

so the pins that say must have 4 ele + ideally 4 atk is kinda pointless too?

[heavy belfry]

Hey

Good thing you pointed that out

[thin viper]

My f2p just got Grave from a daily free pull, he spent all gems to get Cinder MLB and have to pray for free pulls xD

[fast ridge]

@coarse gust Are you saving some boxes or barely reached 481?

[thin viper]

and no ticket to bought

[sharp portal]

He actually 501+ lol, just want lowest clear MC

[fast ridge]

thought so, I remember he was 20+ sync ahead of me

[peak mural]

this bitch ass unit deal no dmg man

[green arrow]

cucked by AR lul

her treasure will change weapon to MG

[peak mural]

glad i stop at 4/4/7

cant believe this stupid bait

[misty sparrow]

Mine 7/7/7

I guess is ok

[gaunt dawn]

burst is strong
s1 is kinda troll

[thin viper]

a dot at the end of 'instead' and fix the typo @heavy belfry

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-grave

[heavy belfry]

What's the typo

Oh

w?e

[onyx crown]

told you

only nub go 10/10/10 mass produced Nikke

[thin viper]

oui

[fleet spoke]

10/10/10 every pilgrim except nihilister smolewhite isabel and harran

[onyx crown]

and Rapunzel

[twin ingot]

Why 10 SBS S2?

[fleet spoke]

I maxxed rapunzel shes good

The og one anyway

[strong sable]

is ammo cap good on grave?

[twin ingot]

Nope

It's pointless

[strong sable]

should i roll this?

[twin ingot]

If you want to 12/12, ye

You want crit damage

[strong sable]

ok i'll reroll this

[twin ingot]

Just make sure to lock the bottom two slots

[deft kernel]

Even after reading the guide, which helped a lot, Grave is still confusing to use. Do we want to interrupt her buffs when she's close to being fully reloaded so she doesn't lose Overheat?

[coarse gust]

I can go 501 but trying to lowball some omni clears

oops didnt mean to say that

[peak mural]

isnt the burst gen buff removed the moment you reload? might have reloaded too quick
if you look at your buff bar, something falls off the moment you started shooting again after the first reload

oh wait oops that was a post from yesterday

[coarse gust]

its ok

seem like the fire comp recharge really fast

[peak mural]

Grave dmg is wacky af

[coarse gust]

dont look at her damage but what she does

not a nikke to look at damage number etc

i even think putting her with non pierce units to enable their other ability

she can take care of the pierce part

[peak mural]

yeah, she does things but her dmg is wack so i kinda regret OL her

let alone using 20 rocks

[mystic laurel]

so grave sucks then

[valid mesa]

She's the final slot for Evangelion team which previously struggled with burst gen

Similar to how Bunny Alice was the convenient final piece for SG teams

Not crown-tier meta where every team loves her, but notable buff for relevant team(s)

[wicked zodiac]

max ammo on grave is not going to brick her like dorothy right?

[green arrow]

nah

it's just ammo is near useless

only has some slight use when liter or volume's cdr hasn't ramped up yet

and i mean very slight

[wicked zodiac]

i see. thanks! i got ele and ammo so i guess i'll keep it for now

[severe needle]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-tron-it-works-it-just-works-gif-15286450

[green arrow]

damn real nice with fire team (mod+reia)

[onyx crown]

Isnt it 17

[peak mural]

i waste another 5

since last time

[twin ingot]

I definitely don't regret the rocks I put in (and will continue to put in). She's made Indivilia much more relaxing

Just need a Liter replacement now

[coarse gust]

replace Smg that help grave recharge burst make liter strong enough to survive

[sharp portal]

Why u even use rock for grave

I just 4 rock her

[coarse gust]

Just toss 1 rock for her every now and then she would reward

Grave meta is under way

maybe next ban..

[tulip carbon]

I like Grave

Her avatar for ingame is edgy and not like Guillotine levels of cringe

And as a kit, it looks great in practice, I turned a slow burst gen team into hyper burst gen

Not much to boast about since it still sucks compared to top 200, but I went from 800m dmg Fire team to 1b+ dmg using Grave

And in a non-Fire team, you can literally see the burst meter fill like it was rapidly downloading something

Swoooosh

Healthy non-game-breaking addition to the Pilgrim manufacturer

[rare sandal]

Her va is so good

So much zeal and conviction and got that Grave aura

I want to listen to the JP one too

The newer units have way better VA or its just the pilgrims

[twin ingot]

Cuz she actually deals noticeable damage to AI Indivilia

Also cuz I like her

[thin viper]

I only dislike her outfit, give the girl some jeans, or military cargo pants...

or just give us the previous design, with mask off

[signal cosmos]

Those are rookie numbers. I did 10/10/10 Anis just for PVP's CP.

[twin ingot]

Yeah, I also hope for a skin at some point. Her ||Abe|| outfit could be cool

[gaunt dawn]

imo, there is no need for the spoiler tag
It's quite obvious unless you skip everything
if that's the case, you wouldn't care about the spoiler in the first place

[peak mural]

better safe than sorry

the spoiler sensitive people can be very unpredictable

[twin ingot]

I have a friend who hasn't gotten around to reading the event because they just had a family member pass away, so I'm being considerate in case someone with similar circumstances happens upon the thread

I also don't remember if this server is strict about spoilers or not since I mainly live in #raid-planning and these threads

[fleet spoke]

So does she have a bug where she overheats and turns to gravy

[twin ingot]

Grave is the only stable part of this update I think

[coarse gust]

MG units:

https://tenor.com/view/gloop-gif-25555044

[heavy belfry]

She's bugged

[heavy belfry]

.

Nothing at all was done properly

Crown release was so much bette lol

[north hamlet]

Remember crown 40s cd kit release?

Man

I miss that

[willow mountain]

releasing any 40s CD that isnt a B3 or a healer like B.Alice feels like a sin nowaydays

[valid mesa]

Trying to think of how to break her

• If we cover peek forever can't we have her S1 up during burst alongside a different B2, making her a flex pierce buffer & burst gen giver, as opposed to e.g. Naga giving core buffs?

E.g. Liter/Crown/RH/Asuka/Grave

Completely abandon Grave's own damage, use her burst first rotation then cover peek as crown handles all future ones.

Is it meta? No. Is it hilarious? Yes.

[peak mural]

I actually spent 120 pulls to get balice

[valid mesa]

B.Alice is only good because she's slot 5 flex

Flex can be 40sec

Doesn't ruin your rotations

Kinda hate that we still don't have a meta team which alternates two 40sec B2/B1

We had Poli/whoever for a while with SW teams

And Biscuit & SAnis sometimes

But now? Absolutely nothing

[coarse gust]

We do

We (the people) just dont use them alot

The most obvious example would be rhb1 pair with another b1

[valid mesa]

The issue is RH is the only 40sec burst which outperforms a 20sec

All the others? Trash

Crown > Poli

They've gone towards making dedicated duos instead

Naga & Tia, Blanc & Noir or Rouge

[coarse gust]

Volume-Biscuit-Sanis-Blanc-Alice/Xlud

Tetra tower

Pre rouge ofc

[valid mesa]

I just want more 40sec to get released

It's an easy duo to make

Nikke 1: strong ATK Burst (40 sec)
Nikke 2: mediocre ATK burst with healing (40 sec)

[coarse gust]

Yea hard to see it happening

The cloest one to that would be
Ein-Sanis-Crown-Liter-RH

RH burst in Sanis rotation

But thats about it no further development of this 2-1-2

[magic prism]

with b2 getting released that have stronger/more useful kit than the predecessor with only 20s cd, it would be really hard to make it an alternate 40s b2-b3
unless they released a super broken 40s b2-b3 pair that even crown kit is only giving small benefit for that b3 compared to the b2 pair

[coarse gust]

Imagine Elysion getting Grave burst gen combining either Mg like Guilotine/diesel

Their savior fr fr

Too bad she is pilgrim

[twin ingot]

that's a feature

[coarse gust]

In both team if either Rei-Liter-Mod-Grave get shot (has warning), proactively switch into non-attack position

Note: Only for strong liter, if liter weak dwife replacement

[twin ingot]

Should also put a note that if your Alice isn't perfect, Rei is more damage

[coarse gust]

Alice is only for 1% of players so its harder to outdps ReiA

But technically she is better

[patent echo]

what if my rei has 0 investment but alice only has random ol lines

[fast ridge]

[coarse gust]

Ohhhh shuttt upppp

[iron fable]

Got these slots on my 1st try

[coarse gust]

Holy god roll, roll ammo away for Ed and golden

[iron fable]

Grave doesn't need more ammo?

[coarse gust]

Nope

[iron fable]

Alright

[fast vigil]

What if I don't have collab chars? Is Liter, Grave, RH, Maxwell, Mod good?

[coarse gust]

Rh and maxwell will die due to Iron

Grave is good with MG so maybe Xludmilla

Then last pick should be Alice (good luck playing her) or a neutral thats has some sort of big nuke such as QuencyEQ or even Cinderella

[fast vigil]

How did that happened?

[coarse gust]

phase swap around 1m mark

buttttt

if u dont deal alot of damage and hit new milestone

she will not deal lots of damage

[fast vigil]

Oh dang

[coarse gust]

and the best answer maybe just the best dps u have

[severe needle]

ye just accept whatever you can get if u new and your roster is still limited

[twin ingot]

Rei deals the least damage aside from Liter, so not a problem. Her job is to buff the other three

Also, hilariously tried Liter/Grave/Asuka/Rei/Modernia vs Kraken (just going into cover during elemental QTE) and still got S5

Replaced Crown with Grave for Liter/Grave/SBS/SSakura/Noir and only lost 200 mil

As long as there's a core, Grave almost keeps up with Crown offensively even if not elementally effective and not buffing pierce

She's just a meme if no core tho

[coarse gust]

Damn thread is ded like her name

Any godlike Grave ?

[twin ingot]

Postponing further investment until after the raid, but I have a lucky initial OL setup for making her even stronger

[coarse gust]

Its decided that GraveChan gets all the cracks she can inhale from today

[twin ingot]

I have her dealing about 85% Modernia damage vs Indivilia

[coarse gust]

[misty sparrow]

[crude gorge]

midve

[coarse gust]

[north hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/grave-my-gif-24188992

[green arrow]

pls tell me lb0 is enough

[coarse gust]

Modernia dps

Amirite @onyx crown

[onyx crown]

who?

[green arrow]

:kaka:

[onyx crown]

Grave?

Grave deals as much as Crown on core

[coarse gust]

Blasphemy

[valid mesa]

Her buffs don't scale either

So dupes are basically useless

Not even a "Casters ATK" buff

[twin ingot]

For support focus, yes

[green arrow]

for fire weak raid

[twin ingot]

Not against fire-weak

Show me a 700 mil damage Crown vs Indivilia

[green arrow]

the argument can be also made for iron weak

[onyx crown]

why do you OL her, it's the first question

[coarse gust]

cuz snake called laplace mid so spending laprock on gravy

[onyx crown]

where are you when I'm drilling C32 boss with Place

[coarse gust]

was waiting for 20% decifit

[tulip carbon]

Are you sitting down?
||I skill reset Laplace||

[onyx crown]

why did you upgrade her skill from the very start

[tulip carbon]

Tried to make her work in raids

Now she’s back to 4/4/4 like a good ‘lil window breaker

Though I knew something was going very wrong as early as Mirror Container solo raid, when Laplace still keep shooting her burst laser even though team was in full cover

During Glass Slipper attack mode in phase 2

[rare sandal]

What CP Aatrix

1.3b?

[onyx crown]

900k

[twin ingot]

Grave still dealing more damage to Ultra than Crown

[misty sparrow]

Nobody survived

[twin ingot]

Yeah, cuz I shot a white circle the first run

Shot it intentionally the second time to match timing

Got auto-killed by QTE failure

[onyx crown]

did you just

[twin ingot]

Obviously Crown is the superior B2 for Ultra cuz her defensive perks allow for more damage windows and safer run

but Grave personal damage > Crown

[onyx crown]

compare a pierce multiple parts who can hit core from phase 1 with a normal MG

[twin ingot]

Core barely survives any length of time

[onyx crown]

you do know shooting range exists right?

[twin ingot]

Oh true

Lemme do that

[coarse gust]

Grave > Crown for indi comps period

[onyx crown]

and remember OL can cause diff too but if it won't make the diff so big like that (161m vs 62m)

[supple fern]

my crown's dmg is always overinflated in shooting range

in no other gamemode does she do even close to that % of team dmg

[twin ingot]

Well my Crown has stupid OL buffs

60+% ele and ~25% ATK

Completely unintentionally

Needs more max ammo

[coarse gust]

[twin ingot]

what about Smol White

[coarse gust]

🪦

[twin ingot]

Now I'm going to clear it with her, just you wait... six months

Oops

[coarse gust]

SLACKER

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051619505593393242/1175538840061100102/1696086429571048.gif

[thin viper]

@heavy belfry Grave is my new favorite NIKKE, even more than Cinder 😭

Though she does need to wear a longer pants...

[rare sandal]

dafaq

[rare sandal]

BRO IF U DONT BEAT CH32 TODYA IM GONNA SEND U TO JESUS

@coarse gust I didnt clear Rapu epieosde vieweing for free ordinary ticket. Reroll account angle yes?

[coarse gust]

[sterile ingot]

what might be the reasons we would like to get grave to mlb? is it worth it

[heavy belfry]

Lobby screen

[twin ingot]

MLB never worth aside from lobby BG and collection OCD unless you're a whale and/or sweaty

[peak mural]

Grave mlb is actually griefing

unless you're a whale

[coarse gust]

@rare sandal go for mlb grave or you gonna regret like those guys above

[thin viper]

MLB Grave because she deserves every love.

[willow mountain]

MLB to not die during phase 3 behemoth

[frank silo]

just SR15 doll everyone

[peak mural]

i'm torn between giving her a straight SR doll or use R doll then upgrade to +5

[frank silo]

R doll is the way

unless you believe you won't ever upgrade her doll then slap on the SR0

[twin ingot]

AR dolls are actually really good effect-wise

[past yacht]

wait wasn't skill order was burst>s2>s1

[twin ingot]

S1 > S2 if you're going for support focus

S2 is only needed if you plan to turn her into a sub-DPS

aka, if you don't plan to heavily invest in her, levelling S2 is low priority

[frank silo]

tbh S1 isn't that heavily required anyways

stick to 4 or 7 until they bug fix her

[coarse gust]

3 rocks today all for this seem ok to fix, hope to keep the hit rate though

[unique pivot]

Btw, how does she perform with Snow White?

[coarse gust]

not seeing any case like that, prolly not in the aim of sw users

[unique pivot]

[crude gorge]

Waiting until last day before I redeem grave which seems to be the case since these free pulls are doing shit

https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-squish-me-when-i-fucking-get-you-gif-2967936147911664677

Me to shitup

[coarse gust]

Note:
-The blade part got destroyed on second phase ~> he doesnt shoot us after?
-Fast burst gen obviously at this point
-3rd dps in this comp
-already mtfking higher dps ceiling than CrownDwife (CrownLiter is for Alice not for Asuka dps lead)

prolly see S8 next week weekend if lucky fixing stuff

[twin ingot]

Yeah, invested Grave is definitely superior to Crown with Asuka comp

[valid mesa]

Is that Asuka/Alice or Asuka/Rei?

Aka for AI or SR?

[twin ingot]

Asuka/Rei for AI

As Momo said, Crown if using Alice

Well, not sure about Momo's investment, but my Grave would have a chance to get carrot, so Alice may work out. But otherwise, since Asuka buffs entire fire team and Alice only buffs part of the team, Crown is better with her

I can test when I'm back on Nikke

[coarse gust]

Its hard to fit alice in here due to synergy and the comfort of the run alice would have been s7 if i really tryhard, higher by couple hundred if played by specific players

[iron fable]

For these 2 pieces, I should definitely reroll all, right?

[coarse gust]

Yep

Dont throw away hit rate 3rd line

[iron fable]

Managed to get ele on the 3rd slot

[coarse gust]

God reroll

Dont roll up add more lines first

[iron fable]

Alright

[twin ingot]

vs tower Crystal Chamber (470)

[coarse gust]

[twin ingot]

Sadly I didn't check to see if that CC is a different element

[coarse gust]

i got a rebuild stout coming

lets see if pierce comp can punch it (wind weak)

[frank silo]

you can still check it

just spin the wheel back

[twin ingot]

Oh really? Never knew!

I'll check after this stage then

Yeah, that was electric weak

[coarse gust]

can just be a solo piercer the pierce requirement is now out of requirement for the team, opening up possible mech from other dps slot

[misty sparrow]

Why not Alice ?

Instead of xlud

curious question

[coarse gust]

its a weird comp

to see what could happen kinda comp

so sbs is elemental advantage

Xlud is an mg to enable Grave fast burst

dont have to force burst spam with rh after

dwife to keep it going

sth along those lines

[misty sparrow]

Ohhh

Yeah I forgot grave+mg=1 second burst

[coarse gust]

fill the clear board with different comps now

👌

[cunning pecan]

Should I lock crit damage?

And why the hell they give me so many ammo

[coarse gust]

prolly not

i think should just lock atk and reroll for Hit rate instead if going for 3 lines

actually forget it

might be crit damage good i just think in context of where i would use her most would be indi and she needs hitrate

[cunning pecan]

But ammo is a no-no right

[sly kestrel]

she infinite ammos herself so don't bother with ammo

[cunning pecan]

It gonna take 3 rock to reoll ammo out. If ammo can stay without any harm, ill keep it like that

[coarse gust]

burst gen problem solved

[gaunt dawn]

why are you using Centi?

Rh alone should be enough for burst gen
Even if you auto, burst generation should be fast thx to Rei + Grave

[coarse gust]

im so lazy i only want to spam 1 and thats it

[mint tendon]

She purple so electric again lol

[gaunt dawn]

please be mid so that I can safely skip

[coarse gust]

im so desperate

[fast vigil]

She's gonna be water because I'm gonna make her wet

[thin viper]

FLORiadA

[thin viper]

can be water

purple water

[rain siren]

30k gems, no grave

[valid mesa]

That's gonna be a lot of rocks to try and turn the first line into Elemental Damage.... I dunno if I'll bother

[cunning pecan]

3×ammo

[coarse gust]

i think ammo might be good? saw somewhen in sky vid he said that she needs to be in shooting stance to keep some buff

not sure

[tulip carbon]

I'm sure that she loses buffs gained from losing Prediction, once she finishes reloading - part of losing Prediction strips all ammo from her...

But I don't know about, "must be attacking" to sustain buffs on the team before she even gets to burst

Since team hits full burst in like ~4 seconds because of Grave's burst gen buff... it barely matters unless her ammo is so low that she is out of bullets after 4 seconds

Or if you're delaying bursting

[coarse gust]

cant quite understand its too complicated for me to understand

[tulip carbon]

There's only 1 part of her kit that allows buffing while not in, or not related to, Prediction (from her burst) or Heat Emission (from the forced reloading immediately after losing Prediction)

It's the Overheat 1

Since she has infinite ammo while in Prediction, ammo seems rather useless

[coarse gust]

[tulip carbon]

So idk what's missing here, but all this seems like I just convinced myself that ammo is worthless for Grave

Unless you actually can't burst faster than her 60 ammo + the time she's spending reloading as team generates burst

[cunning pecan]

Yeah, it is 3×first line ammo so it have to reroll anyway

[coarse gust]

[tulip carbon]

At most 1 ammo line just to help you get the first burst off without her prematurely reloading, maybe?

Since if it takes you 6 seconds she'll be in reload for sure (5s to use up 60 ammo for AR)

[coarse gust]

her comp takes like 1s to get burst back, maybe not need

was just wondering if i have to aim with her during that

but seem not a big deal

[tulip carbon]

It talks about "landing" and "hits"

So probably have to hit obstacles or enemies

Though these are all affects-self effects

So not that important if you care more about carry damage and not Grave's

[coarse gust]

gain 12atk loose 3ed&11HR adding another 50ml of damage on indi

was hoping for a whooping 800ml filled by grave but seem doesnt happen

maybe at same investment grave deals like 2/3 of mod/asuka

even 1/2

[cunning pecan]

Do you still use Liter for invi? or use D instead?

[coarse gust]

yea i use liter, you should too

[cunning pecan]

Maybe time to OL her leg for more HP

[coarse gust]

wait till Flora comes out first

[cunning pecan]

Not sure Grave 0lb can tank the laser?

[coarse gust]

you should

cuz if u cant survive the laser anymore, likely the case is u deal higher damage which is good

thats when u add more juice into her

[twin ingot]

Which laser? The Phase 2 one? She should be able to survive it

If talking about the single target one in phase 1, just cover-tank it

[twin ingot]

Can definitely get 800 mil on Grave

I'm to the point that I'm actually better off spending rocks to get Asuka/Rei/Modernia better than I am continuing to strengthen Grave

[onyx crown]

the goat of AR are

• Asuka
• Phantom???
• Scarlet

Grave who

[twin ingot]

A B2

[onyx crown]

sound like Guilty

[twin ingot]

Except Guilty is a selfish DPS

Grave is a buffer who also provides damage

Damage isn't the point. Simply a bonus

She's only a significant damage dealer vs AI Indivilia anyway

Wait until we get normal train for Solo Raid raid and watch her do nothing

AI Indivilia's permanent core, susceptibility to pierce, and fire weakness just lines up perfectly with Grave's kit

[mystic laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-sister-mei-stroking-my-chicken-cat-meme-gif-7389712976986151019

[mint tendon]

Im right lol
Btw wheres flora thread

[twin ingot]

Won't get made until we have the actual kit usually

[mighty mist]

flora is elec?

[heavy belfry]

Fire

B3 Fire mg healer pierce buffer smthng smthng smthng

[frank silo]

did you read the in-game notice

[heavy belfry]

Oh

Electric

Nvm

[frank silo]

inb4 B1 or B2 as well

[heavy belfry]

Mg unit

Rare to see B1 and B2 mg

Rem was the last I think

[median gazelle]

Crown?

[heavy belfry]

Im gonna take a nap

[frank silo]

[misty sparrow]

Elegg

2.0

[mighty mist]

so datamine was wrong

[onyx crown]

they probably put R stat on her

[misty sparrow]

clay 2.0

[tulip carbon]

MG with burst, "all shots are true damage and pierces when striking core"

Dead MC.

[twin ingot]

That's placeholder Product 12

The element and burst

[coarse gust]

Baited me

[coarse gust]

some progress today, 3 lines piece

[coarse gust]

the rolls basically negate the atk (hit rate + critdamage)

same gap toward Rei after the change

[onyx crown]

imagine you fixed Rei instead

[coarse gust]

Dont bóng gió just tell me the best way

Rei has technically same overload if not better
Edit: Gaetrix filthy alice user

[valid mesa]

Yeah my Grave rolls are doing almost disgustingly well, it's like the game knows when a Nikke is a main DPS and when they're a support

[mystic laurel]

grave D tier confirmed?

[misty sparrow]

Where crappy?

[valid mesa]

TL;DR Crown tier offensive buffs, one tier lower due to no defensive buffe

Get a copy or abandon your human rights as you fall behind meta and never get her off rateup

[mystic laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/vro-get-good-cat-gaming-gif-3947725885693886377

[green arrow]

craplace?

[north hamlet]

nah

E tier

pull and delete acc

https://tenor.com/view/that-tuesday-feeling-mario-swag-dance-gif-159860540190894364

[signal cosmos]

You guys keep talking about getting ele on first line and such.....
I know that each line has a percentage of a stat showing up. But why does ele have to be on the first one and so on?

[twin ingot]

You want the more important lines on the lower slots because those slots have a lower chance

It saves you rocks since you'll be rerolling lines with better chances

Lock a third line and you'll have a 100%/50% chance of getting other lines.

Lock a second line and you'll have a 100%/30% chance.

Lock a first Iine and you'll have a 50%/30% chance

[signal cosmos]

So basically USUALLY atk and ele on the third line?

if possible

[valid mesa]

If you're chasing 3 good lines, yeah

Personally I'm happy with two

And take a third line if I get lucky

[twin ingot]

For 12/12 units, yeah, that's normally the go-to

For units like S Sakura, second line is perfectly fine since there's no dire third line to get

Grave is that way; if you want to truly maximize, then you'll want crit damage and/or hit rate lines, but that's a lot of rocks for unit that isn't a main DPS

I'd also argue that potentially universal DPS units (like B Soda) want ATK priority over element since they're used in every raid, while elemental units (like Ein, Asuka, S Sakura) want element priority if going for 12/12

If going for 8/12, then just take whichever is on a lower line and roll for the other

[rare sandal]

Crit dmg best after atk and ele kind

[coarse gust]

I need hit rate for indi

[misty sparrow]

Imagine eating raw chicken

[coarse gust]

Whats best 3rd stat for indi crit damage or hit rate

[rare sandal]

Idk ure the one doing the testing

[coarse gust]

Math finalist failed me

[willow viper]

So...are snake's skill recs inaccurate? Mine is 10/10/10, but I can still reset if it's not needed

[twin ingot]

10/10/10 is endgoal but expensive

If just using as a buffer, then S2 can be lower

If CDR units aren't well invested, S1 can be lower

Burst is 10 for sure

I feel like 3x Crit, 1x Hit is probably enough for Indivilia

but the fat rounds seem like they have more dispersion. I could be crazy tho

[winged swan]

All i can do is 10/8/9 for now

[neat token]

whats the skill priority as of rn?

[coarse gust]

Start with 4/4/10

If u using her and the comp not cycle burst fast enough aka the next burst is not ready as soon as possiblr, skill up s1 to lv7

If u want to squeeze her personal dps to hit next breakpoint of some stages, go for s2 lv7

[willow viper]

I was thinking about sinking some of those mats into tove so my shotgun team can function

[coarse gust]

Thats reasonable

[willow viper]

Tove is 1/1/1 0 OL lol

So reset and go 4/4/10?

[coarse gust]

I would if i were u