[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[fallen quartz]

Game developments have a huge knowledge data archives to learn, every bug Cinders have not news.

[deft obsidian]

Crown gameplay and Cindy gameplay had damage numbers, no?

in the anni streams?

[tight prism]

redhood giving to much people expectations XD

[fallen quartz]

yup, intentional hiding as players did use it to make a comparison, found out SU messed up, and told them to fix it.

but boys, can't dodge the bullet when release the new NIKKE.

[deft obsidian]

I mean, it technically wasn't a mess up, as they disclaimered that numbers are in testing phase

People were just mad that they lowered RH's damage

[lavish bridge]

[brave socket]

they only need to not release a "the strongest nikke" anymore

no clue about how strong they are

[kindred shell]

yeah but the kit itself was very different to what had been out there are the time, the expectations weren't there for what a brand should do

[brave socket]

then they can make it as they want it to

[fallen quartz]

but the hype

[simple dock]

they can't do that, with how limited the gameplay content is, powercreep is needed

[brave socket]

can be a cute or lovable character with fanservice

so the hype is there

[dusty shuttle]

sorry, I had poorly implied 15 "per element"

[brave socket]

but no strenght indicator

it will still be a strong unit

but no complaints will be made

because you dont know how strong she should be

[deft obsidian]

few*, as someone will always complain

[fallen quartz]

especially KR players

[brave socket]

they cant complain but ill go nowhere lol

as long as it has a role in SR

[fallen quartz]

they have a high toxic level

[kindred shell]

Also just like on the topic of power levels, just imagine they kept her dmg at 27.8%

She'd be out of the meta by now

[simple dock]

well not for campaign

still a beast there

[kindred shell]

I'm obv not referring to campaign

[brave socket]

they should have dropped b1 cd to 20 seconds all the time so liter was out of the meta then hehe

🤡

[fallen quartz]

not in ass development

[brave socket]

and add cdr to b1

[fallen quartz]

buff her jiggles, damn it

[simple dock]

jiggles has been kinda mid recently

so is cindy now reccomended mlb

[exotic forum]

Smart of them to not say solo raid is coming back nov 7, in case new bug introduced

[kindred shell]

in the grand scheme of things if Cinderella landed exactly at SBS's power level, that would've been p cool from a balance pov, but I think ppl want power creep so this is also acceptable

[toxic wren]

Imo the past 4 releases set a very high bar for every future pilgrims

I think Cindy nerf would've established at least a baseline in which they would release one trick units (e.g Cindy only good in bossing, unlike crown and redhood and sbs who are good everywhere)

[deft obsidian]

If F2P, not worth

[simple dock]

didnt they establish her being broken

[deft obsidian]

Unless you've stocked up a ton of mileage

[toxic wren]

Yeah, kinda what I meant to say^

Just that people's expectations for anniv are straight up very high now

[fallen quartz]

Cinder's mega thread
Expectation: strategy, team build, investment.
Reality: eating bugs because we let SU cook...

[fallen quartz]

Don't worry, they will release more Elysion NIKKE to lower the bar.

[simple dock]

so let me get this straight, shift up fucked and made cindy way beyond what her power expectations should of been

[fallen quartz]

[deft obsidian]

We don't know for sure

But they committed to her release damage

[fallen quartz]

We only know we have trust issues now.

so yeah, we have math, but still need to test her

[simple dock]

so is next anni just gonna release a pilgrim that instant deletes anything

[deft obsidian]

Whether it was the damage they wanted but they didn't realize how they got it, or whether they were too afraid to nerf from bugged damage, the world will never know

[brave socket]

oh oh I can see how they can nerf cinder

[fallen quartz]

no, release the worst Elysion NIKKE ever, to lower the bar, perfectly balance, as all things should be.

[brave socket]

new raptures and bosses will have "reduce damage done by burst skill by high %"

[lavish bridge]

it's either they fk up
or they test her damage and didnt even notice the bug, and release it. hence this might be the intended damage anyways

[deft obsidian]

Isabel treasure that makes her even worse

[simple dock]

so start basically making shit nikkes to compensate for their fuck up with cindy

i can see it kinda

[fallen quartz]

it's a day 1 bug... charge dmg I mean

[brave socket]

I know a game that when units started doing tons of damage with their special abilities before attacking they introduced a "non normal attack damage deals 1 damage" debuff lol

[deft obsidian]

Nah, eventually we'll just get to the point of bosses that take no damage aside from strong element

[lavish bridge]

i mean u still have to sit down and look at the numbers for a few minutes to realize it

[simple dock]

or they can just release bosses and enemies that invalidate cindys mechanics

[deft obsidian]

Mandatory use of elemental DPS units for all five teams

Then Cindy only useful for electric-weak bosses

ez

[kindred shell]

Cinderella's kinda fine where she's at

[brave socket]

yup

those are the dangers of high powercreep btw

they might be forced to do that

[deft obsidian]

But first we need more wind and water units

[fallen quartz]

We are players, SU is a damn company, and we have realized so much just from testing Cinders, without insight info.
How can a bunch of horny players have more brain than SU?

[brave socket]

or no one will pull for new units heh

[lavish bridge]

was or is?

[simple dock]

doesnt this make her not fine but powercreep bullshit?

[kindred shell]

there's a power level range that units are allowed to land in and this is around the upper bound of where that would be at

[toxic wren]

Well, there's a gap they have to fill with nikkes now

[deft obsidian]

Pilgrims being powercreep is the expected norm tho

[kindred shell]

People want some power creep, plain and simple

[simple dock]

true

i do too lol

would get boring after a long time

[fallen quartz]

Eva collab begs different

[kindred shell]

When RH didn't power creep the meta, everyone cried to buff her, and like I said

[simple dock]

using the same shit

[deft obsidian]

They have to have something to justify their rarity

[kindred shell]

if she didn't get buffed

she'd be shit in SR now

[lavish bridge]

i prob be more happy with 1.2 sbs but this is fine too

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, collab units being powercreep is kind of yikes

[simple dock]

okay now shift up give isabel a gift and make her red hood 3.0

at least Asuka is good

[fallen quartz]

1 mid, 2 fricking meta, and 1 decent (mari)

[deft obsidian]

I think Rem is the more appropriate power level for collab units, but that's another topic

[simple dock]

collab units should never be meta imo

true

[fallen quartz]

^

as we know SU doesn't rerun them

[simple dock]

unobtainable meta unit is a big no no

it legit will perma gatekeep newbies from having shit, my one friend was seething over not having asuka

[fallen quartz]

It's fine for a collab unit to be meta when game devs rerun banners

[molten oak]

This creep isn't that bad, at least it's not like Rh creeping EX interception, high deficit campaign

[fallen quartz]

but it's not fine when they are true limited

[oak cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/silence-i-will-kill-you-silence-silence-keel-you-silence-will-keel-you-you-should-be-silent-gif-18625918

[deft obsidian]

Especially since Grave is a dedicated Asuka buffer

[lavish bridge]

tfw Asuka being a meta campaign unit and i only have her 0lb

[simple dock]

having a collab unit at RH level is actually game ruining

[sullen forum]

no grave is a buffer to a future banner

[molten oak]

Don't you remember guys, Rh creeped the whole meta

[sullen forum]

[fallen quartz]

you can still use Mari though, 5 teams in SR

[molten oak]

So this boss creep is ok

[deft obsidian]

Mari for RH

[simple dock]

best thing is that she's good even outside fire weak stages

[lavish bridge]

redhood didnt even creep Alice

[deft obsidian]

Also Cinderella is new level of powercreep

[toxic wren]

Well, it is what it is now

Cinderella's performance doesn't change which is good cuz we don't need to retest anything

[deft obsidian]

So powerful she defeated the entire Solo Raid itself

[molten oak]

I meant the game modes not other units xD

[simple dock]

that would basically kill off most new players bringing new blood into the game, the game then would become a perpetual collector of vets until vets get tired of a dying community and 0 shake up in pvp leading to then kill nikke.

[toxic wren]

We just don't give less of a fk about charge damage now ig

[deft obsidian]

They made Cinderella cheaper OL-wise

[fallen quartz]

best thing is that she make fart rapture into a joke

[kindred shell]

charge dmg now sucks

[fallen quartz]

self heal, three farts can't even kill her

[kindred shell]

it's like a 1.2% DPS increase per T11 c.dmg

embrace crit instead

[simple dock]

the pierce has such large AOE it's ridiculous

[lavish bridge]

[fallen quartz]

not to mention, her dmg scale with max ammo

[toxic wren]

My proposed change was to increase her bullet explosion radius and keep the nerf in burst damage, would make her much more relevant in campaign

But it's all good ig

We have a super bosser and ig a great unit for electric campaign

[simple dock]

pretty surprised they doubled down on cindy tbh

[fallen quartz]

Just give Cinders whatever weapon Lapplace is holding

[deft obsidian]

I'm not

[fallen quartz]

here, a laser gun, go do crime

[deft obsidian]

The situation was a nightmare

Bugged anniversary feature that required shutting down the only real endgame event the game has

[toxic wren]

Okay in PvP too overall

She is technically the best nuke for PvP now, sucks that she has a small delay

[simple dock]

my theory was they would just give compensation in gems for every pull people made on her banner during the bug

[fallen quartz]

Our nightmare right now... is a potentially a new bug on the new Cinder

[simple dock]

and then nerf her

[toxic wren]

But well there's always that rng that you can kill noah or blanc asap and win anyways

[lavish bridge]

maybe Kira was right
they intended her to do that much damage anyways but they just didnt notice the bug
plus the PR nightmare

[deft obsidian]

Apologems only work so well

[fallen quartz]

we never know

[flint sphinx]

So, is it over for Cindy now with the accounted bug fix?

[oak cargo]

Electric campaign but still not the answer for the hardest electric stage, the bronchus 2-3-2

[toxic wren]

Anniv yet again delivers

[molten oak]

Emilia can't kill Cindy+biscuit

[elder pier]

Yes, shes the weakest b3 of old tales squad

[molten oak]

Attacking Cindy is god

[toxic wren]

She can actually

[simple dock]

nah it wouldnt of been apologems since they could of been sent mass chargebacks and korea doesnt mess around with consumer by laws, i mean like shift up would of possibly refunded people entirely or rolled everything back

[fallen quartz]

We don't know, we need to test

[simple dock]

lol

[molten oak]

Cindy defending is kek

[deft obsidian]

My point is that it wouldn't help their reputation

It would actually make it worse

[fallen quartz]

^

[simple dock]

true su would be kinda perma known as ripping off players

[fallen quartz]

KR players are highly toxic

[deft obsidian]

That would be like selling a kid a puppy, killing the puppy in front of them, then giving the money back, saying everything is okay

[simple dock]

i kinda like the roll back idea tbh

[fallen quartz]

SU is scared of KR players

[simple dock]

sadly it wont happen

[fallen quartz]

more than us

[lavish bridge]

the players themselves want the powercreep so there's absolutely nothing to lose to buff her lmfao

[deft obsidian]

People spend their money because of what they want, not because they want to spend money (well, some that are just addicted to spending)

[fallen quartz]

and the 'money' is not even as the same price market as the puppy...

[simple dock]

if anything it further reinforces whales going for core 7

[deft obsidian]

If what they want is bad, then that's the bigger hit

We saw that with RH last year

RH wasn't even bad

She just wasn't a top-tier DPS

[fallen quartz]

yeah, but RH changed campaign

[toxic wren]

I don't want superficial numerical powercreeps tho man, I'd love it if they can provide powercreeps to units mechanically or smthng

[deft obsidian]

They sold us a jack of all trades when players wanted hyper DPS

[simple dock]

that's what RH did

[fallen quartz]

so RH is fine actually

[toxic wren]

Smthng that would make us play the game
Cindy feels heavily auto-ish

[molten oak]

Yeah Rh creeped the campaign

[toxic wren]

This sucks

[simple dock]

rh numerically creeped everyone tho

lol

[deft obsidian]

At least Cindy doesn't feel terrible to play like SBS does

[simple dock]

imagine manual SBS

[fallen quartz]

Imagine Cinders can't destroy CC and MC

[simple dock]

[deft obsidian]

Co-op

I cry everytim

[lavish bridge]

that's their direction

[agile pilot]

They are fixing cindy, so will there be some number buffs to compensate at least?

[fallen quartz]

yeah based on math, it won't

[simple dock]

the buff should be 1 to 1 with the bug damage

[molten oak]

I thought you were m-player

[fallen quartz]

more like they turn her back to what she was supposed to be

[molten oak]

[deft obsidian]

She'll have effectively higher damage in all modes aside from bossing

[fallen quartz]

it's not a buff, it's a 'version revert'

[deft obsidian]

No

I believe in using skill

[kindred shell]

just wait for SW treasure

[deft obsidian]

I'm "m"-player as in masochist for finger-breaking, I guess

[fallen quartz]

Cinder's treasure

[toxic wren]

But it isn't tho
They managed to release crown, Rh, and SG team

Something that essentially does provide you some benefit to manual play or tryharding if you're willing to do it (although crown's taunt is much more situational)

[simple dock]

being on the balancing team at shift up must of been fun

[toxic wren]

Heck, even 2b's crit fish gives you some incentive

[molten oak]

I feel you bro, I like fair play gameplay, anyway nothing to do

[toxic wren]

Idk what you even do with cindy

[lavish bridge]

redhood was an auto play alice wdym

[deft obsidian]

Snow White the peak of unit design 👌

[toxic wren]

Soon™

[simple dock]

crow and red hood also just allow brain dead auto play

[brazen violet]

so cindy is now the best boss killer?

[deft obsidian]

Just need better crit supports

[toxic wren]

Well she does improve her performance with manual play tho

Can't do that with Cindy or sbs

[deft obsidian]

[lavish bridge]

[kindred shell]

RH's a battery tho so that immediately adds to her manual value

[toxic wren]

It's just that balance of, a unit is good when auto
But she's even better when manualling

[fallen quartz]

One thing players hate the most is unstable gameplay character

[kindred shell]

RH strongest battery in the game

[fallen quartz]

even a weak character have more valuable than unstable one

[toxic wren]

It's just that push that makes you want to play the game a bit more

[lavish bridge]

i turn brain off and goess brbrbrbr

most nikke players

[maiden thicket]

I think the bug is the reason make them realized she need buffing

if there was no bug, people will ask for buff like RH again

[simple dock]

personally i like turning my brain off and staring at cindys ass while she kills everything

[deft obsidian]

Game you can play with one hand

[simple dock]

[molten oak]

Ngl Cindy jiggling is weird because she's not shooting

[fallen quartz]

Grave's bug incoming.

[molten oak]

But is understandable

[kindred shell]

surely Giga Drill Breaker will be a great ability to manual

[molten oak]

Mg unit

Wdym manual play xD

[simple dock]

pulse wave jiggle, gravity jiggle

[molten oak]

So, conclusion are we happy or we sad?

[simple dock]

SSR Rapi gonna charge the drill into the rapture itself and crash the game

[dusty shuttle]

Figuring out how to survive campaign with two RH1 bursts is heavily manual

[toxic wren]

im not saying a unit should be shit when autoing, case in point alice

im saying that there should be incentive to go on that unit and play with it

[molten oak]

[fallen quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/confusion-uganda-pasta-confusion-of-da-highest-orda-gif-17341129

[maiden thicket]

happy

[exotic forum]

when bursting do a timestop, and you have to spin a lever thing in circles to charge up the drill (like a windup car), how many rotations you do affect the burst dmg of it

[toxic wren]

i think that is what the direction should be

[exotic forum]

can't macro your way to it (with existing macros)

[molten oak]

Ok snak is sad

[copper ice]

Maintenance done?

[toxic wren]

no im good actually, my rocks on cindy are justified now

[copper ice]

I just woke up, is she better now lol

[exotic forum]

I'm curious

do we know for sure that her charge bug worked in pvp

[molten oak]

My 10/10/10 monkey on Cindy are justified too

[toxic wren]

yep

the damage numbers were too big for it to be normal lol

[exotic forum]

[maiden thicket]

mt starts tmr

[exotic forum]

do we have a leaked vid of cindy post fix

[molten oak]

If no Noah burst or defender+biscuit buff nobody resists her burst

[exotic forum]

you can say that for most nukers in the game

[molten oak]

No

You can resist scarlet slash using noise

[toxic wren]

actually all of them except ein

[toxic wren]

Bay

[deft obsidian]

Thing is tho

We can only play one of five characters at a time

[exotic forum]

you can also probably resist unbuffed cindy with noise

probably, maybe

[toxic wren]

not now u cant

[deft obsidian]

If we had to play Cindy manual, we couldn't manual with Ein for burst gen

[exotic forum]

won't her burst dmg be the same as now

[molten oak]

Noise and Rosanna aren't enough

Cindy too stronk

[toxic wren]

bro she hits 2000% per unit with a 133%*.66 atk buff

[exotic forum]

[molten oak]

Yeah also her

[exotic forum]

well just noah her ig

easy enough

noah + sustain or a way to kill cindy's team fast and you win

[molten oak]

most people use bay against my scarlet

In my branch

[toxic wren]

sp still trash tbh

[molten oak]

[deft obsidian]

We need another Noah now

[toxic wren]

biscuit or blanc

we dont need a noah

[maiden thicket]

btw where champ arena

already Nov

[deft obsidian]

Bay actually gets used?

[deft obsidian]

February probably

[molten oak]

Cindy attacking good, Cindy defending kek

[toxic wren]

yeah

[exotic forum]

SU: we heard you, next pvp-viable unit is a shotgun b3 nuker

[copper ice]

I kept getting isabel and harran it make me sick. 0 scarlet and sbs

[deft obsidian]

Anni then Xmas then NYs

[molten oak]

Yea

[deft obsidian]

[copper ice]

Core 1 isabel and core 1 harran

[deft obsidian]

Oh right, Clay is the useless one

[sullen forum]

I guess thats why they went elemental interceptions

to make us play with more units

[deft obsidian]

Both were forgettable characters

[toxic wren]

i wonder if my scarlet will ever reach lb2

[sullen forum]

and they are heavily leaning on ele damage

[toxic wren]

i will never be getting her treasure bro

[fallen quartz]

@simple dock https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1301395649165787176
What is this sheet

[deft obsidian]

ngl they pretty much did what I suggested in the focus group

[exotic forum]

they do focus groups?

[deft obsidian]

They did once

[molten oak]

Stronger teams in my arena are Noah Sanis, emi Rh, Rosanna scarlet

[trail vigil]

they did this in destiny

[molten oak]

[trail vigil]

ele focus

[exotic forum]

that's the standard for accounts with pvp units invested

[deft obsidian]

Element focus is the inevitable form of endgame outside of PvP

[simple dock]

33 and 34 hard gonna be fun

[molten oak]

I really need notifications when someone is attacking me

[fallen quartz]

They have Glass Slipper's mechanic, and yes Cinders can one-shot them, but that only counts for the 1st successful hits, following beams are useless, just like against MC.

Meaning, don't use Cinders on them

[exotic forum]

just make better def teams

[heavy scaffold]

the new flying balls are single most hated fuckshit of all time

[native robin]

or you can just use sbs lol

[fallen quartz]

Which part of "We hate mechanism of MC" from players that confuses SU?

[maiden thicket]

4atk 4ele SBS's saying

[molten oak]

Another question guys

[native robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/386654335250989056.webp?size=64&quality=lossless&name=pepeHandsup

[heavy scaffold]

[fallen quartz]

yup, any strong dmg single atk nuke them, for Cinders, you have to reset her atk as follow beams can't kill them

[heavy scaffold]

MC is most hated boss

[fallen quartz]

because of how her weapon works.

[heavy scaffold]

but these balls are different

[molten oak]

How bad is her DMG falling at 30 fps?

[heavy scaffold]

it can single handedly wipe your enitre team

[fallen quartz]

not to mention, they draw aggro!!

meaning NIKKE aim them instead of other rapturees

which that could mean live or death on hard stages

[dusty shuttle]

MC actually had mechanics

so much better than the raids that came after it

[molten oak]

The only thing I hated was not breaking last qte

Because my naga and other units are too weak

[simple dock]

MC's mechanic is bullshit

require you to have a specific type of unit is not good design

[fallen quartz]

then it give births to flying balls

[dusty shuttle]

yes, snipers. very difficult to get

[fallen quartz]

truly a fucked up miracle

[sullen forum]

balls are so bs

ong

they almost 1 shot nikkes over cover in blue cp

[fallen quartz]

another case of 'good testers'

[simple dock]

can you think of another boss that if you dont bring a certain type of unit you're bricked ?

[fallen quartz]

[deft obsidian]

It doesn't even require sniper rifles, technically

[fallen quartz]

^

[sullen forum]

I can't imagine

[deft obsidian]

Kira used Scarlet to break the slippers

[sullen forum]

howbad is it in cp deficit

[fallen quartz]

any one strong hit will do

ideally RL and SR

[exotic forum]

in campaign back in the day at deficit, I had to alternate between rh burst hit and sbs burst hit for slippers

[simple dock]

sbs ?

[exotic forum]

off-burst rh can't break it

[deft obsidian]

Drunk Scarlet

[exotic forum]

in AI my ein can now 1 tap it off-burst

[simple dock]

alright then i dont know man

[exotic forum]

4x ele or something

[deft obsidian]

I attempted it, but my 0% ele Scarlet could only do like 70% of the slipper HP

[fallen quartz]

SU, retard writings...

[deft obsidian]

MC raid was just a test of "How many elemental rolls do you have?"

[simple dock]

i still think it's the worst designed boss ever, cuz it suck ball in campaign with deficit

[deft obsidian]

I think CP is the problem there, not the boss

[fallen quartz]

Just write skill lv 1, then 4,7,10

[deft obsidian]

Artificial difficulty

[fallen quartz]

because the break points are usually at 4,7,10

[deft obsidian]

[simple dock]

artificial than any other bosses

i cant find another that 25% deficit is difficult

artifical difficult is bad design

[exotic forum]

figuring out mc in campaign was actually fun

[toxic wren]

now do it on hard campaign

[exotic forum]

had to do some immediate burst weird shit to stack crown's buffs from previous burst onto my naga, with her burst, in order to break p2 qte

by the time I get to it in hard it should be ez

cindy + ein

[toxic wren]

thats also true

powercreep

era

[elder pier]

Its over. They nerfed cindy

[deft obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[fallen quartz]

What is this?

meaning

[dusty shuttle]

difficulty that's not skill related

[pliant plover]

whats the best MC AI team?

cindy + ein or cindy + sanis?

[fallen quartz]

so I can't blame 'skill issue'?

[oak cargo]

CC:
Cindy-Crown-Sanis-RH-Liter
MC:
Crown-Naga-Cindy-Rouge-Sanis
Cindy-Rouge-Ein-Crown-Sanis
behemoth
Crown-Naga-Cindy-Rouge-Sanis

above should be most common low clear upcoming on chart if not already appear. However the Exia Ein still lurking for lower clear but you can count their existence on your palm

[fallen quartz]

Cinder/Rogue/Sanis/Crown/flex

(flex could be Naga or Ein, if Ein, you don't burst with SAnis)

[bronze estuary]

what's mc and cc?

[oak cargo]

Mirror container and crystal container

[fallen quartz]

Main Character and Cuckcold Character, the team is to kill both of them

[copper ice]

Someone cant take a screenshot properly

[molten oak]

Mirror chamber, crystal container

[heady hornet]

Oh wow they doubled the burst damage to compensate for the bug being gone. Who would have thought that would happen

[gloomy quartz]

Anni 3 gonna be fun

[heady hornet]

Anni 3 gonna be a triple pilgrim banner all bugged

[simple dock]

they would design them to be a 1-2-3 combo, then found out they're bugged together, in pair, or even when use individually

[heady hornet]

One will be broken but in theory it because one of the others is bugged she’s doing 20% of her real damage

[oak cargo]

Fully built sbs+Cinderella might s9 Kraken (4ed 4atk both) if Cindy doesnt die

[maiden thicket]

Nice cope

No burst gen

[heady hornet]

Rouge

[oak cargo]

Kinda tight

Using Liter has to

[waxen cedar]

Wow SU really went all out

Bug fix update was kinda crazy

[toxic wren]

Only water chads can do no burst gen and get s9

[acoustic field]

Incoming nerf!

Dolls no longer affect her Burst Skill damage.

Big dip.

Charge Damage OL too (well you are unaffected if you don't have one).

[maiden thicket]

Thanks captain obvious

[acoustic field]

Not so obv for many.

[maiden thicket]

I know

Jjk

[crude oasis]

I see Cinderella is now buff

S1 still halving charge damage?

I guess if I want Cindy to be beautiful, I need to reroll off charge damage 💀 Which is better, crit rate or crit dmg?

[trail vigil]

rate

[sullen forum]

kinda equal

[molten oak]

[acoustic field]

Rate.

[crude oasis]

Thanks

[acoustic field]

Not really.

Similar yee but crirate has better scalability

Criit dmg if u wanna minmax fish crit rng

[crude oasis]

I have too much ammo now

Literally x4 ele, x4 atk, x4 ammo

I’ll just keep it

[acoustic field]

2 is ok

[hoary valve]

Guys please tell me what my opinion should be about the bug fix. Did it just end up being a wash damage wise?

[sullen forum]

what a roll

[acoustic field]

Yes

On bossing at least

[sullen forum]

did you roll your ol's for charge damage ?

[acoustic field]

For mobbing after bugfix better likely

[sullen forum]

if not you don't have to care

[crude oasis]

On 3 of my OL, the ammo is on line 1. So I’m spoiled for choice on rerolling it off. But I might just keep it all for symmetry

Too bad the other OL has it on line 2

[acoustic field]

My roll was level 9 crit rate

I tried to reroll for atk

Settled on charge damage

Now I have to reroll again

GG W P

[sullen forum]

which one do I roll here

[acoustic field]

All of them

[sullen forum]

all mid

[acoustic field]

Tbh

[sullen forum]

yeah

[acoustic field]

[sullen forum]

but I have to start somewhere

💀

which is worse mid

maybe 3rd one

uhh

[deft obsidian]

Yeah, 3rd is easiest reroll

LOL

GOD BRICKED

[exotic forum]

[sullen forum]

its so good and bad

man my rocks

[deft obsidian]

Say goodbye to your rocks

[sullen forum]

[molten oak]

Damn bricked

[deft obsidian]

Just go for ATK and accept the lost slot

[crude oasis]

Congratulations, now suffer

[deft obsidian]

[exotic forum]

why did you reroll value

[deft obsidian]

11/12

[sullen forum]

if you look closely I didn't

[deft obsidian]

[crude oasis]

Sexy

[exotic forum]

oh

[sullen forum]

its option change

[oak cargo]

Wdf these guys w their luck

[molten oak]

Where black lines

[sullen forum]

so what do I roll now

[molten oak]

[sullen forum]

2nd piece

[molten oak]

I need them

[deft obsidian]

2nd ye

[deft obsidian]

Gotta get third line

[sullen forum]

it might be lock blackand roll too

[deft obsidian]

4th just needs values

[molten oak]

Damn people is doing 12/12 lines on cindy

[sullen forum]

I guess I'll stay

I have to get rocks for grave

and pvp

man I'm at 0 again

[crude oasis]

They said they’ll improve Cindy core hits accuracy

So that’ll be nice

[fallen quartz]

and miss other parts

[acoustic field]

I have def level 14 at first line

And rn keeping it for campaign

Ele and atk line 3 and 2

Tho

[molten oak]

[still trellis]

Is Cindy getting buffed in the maint coming up

Or am I confused

[potent sapphire]

minimally nerfed depending on how much charge dmg you have on her and if you always bursted during full charged attacking

[fathom kiln]

I want share my Cinderella too (not 12/12, but)

[oak cargo]

Goddamn critdy

Just crit

[waxen cedar]

So if I'm not wrong: Helm is BiS already so just reroll %. Armor is atk lock?, Boots reroll stats and gloves lock 2&3 and reroll 1 for elem. damage?

[willow sierra]

I can fix her

[molten oak]

Good rolls, a little expensive to fix

But decent rolls

[glacial quest]

While leveling up Cindy's OL i did a big mistake by accident

I was auto leveling it and now all my things are gone lol

More farming to do ig

[crude oasis]

Yeah, now we don't have to worry about uncertanties anymore. The damage loss isn't that bad either, depending, a tiny sliver

Did they release the fix already?

Though, RIP anybody that intentionally sprung for charge damage

Nvm on fix release - 5 hours of maintenance tomorrow

[waxen cedar]

Am I right in locking atk in armor and fully reroll boots?

[torn raven]

So did they just buff Cinderella to the same amount of damage she was already doing then after removing the bug? Or is it a negligible amount?

[oak cargo]

Some say same damage, some say less damage. Odd only the downside

[fluid bone]

less damage on burst better DPS on normals because of core hitting otherwise same damage on shit like CC due to no core

[inland slate]

Fml, time to reroll for crit

[rugged lake]

Isn't she like any other nuker?

[copper ice]

more auto friendly

cindy probably not recommended on defense cause noah is scary

[stoic storm]

I'm running her in PvP right now with Mari, team does pretty well

Three other RLs

It's something like

Jackal/Mari/Cinderella/Biscuit/Tia

[copper ice]

Rl whiff oof..

[stoic storm]

Not the best team but does well enough

[dusty shuttle]

who else are you going to put on defense?

[acoustic field]

@lavish bridge

Crit still better than chg dmg?

[stoic storm]

I'm running both Rei & Cinderella on defence, they can't Noah both of them

[oak cargo]

2 different teams

they are fine as b3 nuke as long as their burst go off into sth

[stoic storm]

Rei team is indeed a scuffed Rosanna moment

[oak cargo]

if u figure that out the cards then does it matter

cant def anyway

[acoustic field]

Both Cindy and Rei is fine

For defense

Cindy better with Noah comp

Rei better with Jackal

Rei can best go 2.5RL

[oak cargo]

let me change this tmr after bug fix black atk og

[acoustic field]

Cindy can still go 2 RL

U need rumani tho

[oak cargo]

No

I have 4 ammo lines

She has a whole us army ammo arsenal

[molten oak]

Yup

Man I'm trying to reroll ark on sanis for days

I'm tired

She has 3rd ele line

So is expensive

[dusty shuttle]

Can Cindy replace 2B in PvP for everything that matters?

[oak cargo]

yes better 2b

[lavish bridge]

yes

[oak cargo]

[crude oasis]

Deadxia

[ripe abyss]

Did "Hey Newbie" start playing

[acoustic field]

Thanks

[acoustic field]

Skill issue

Like me

[oak cargo]

So weak

Gotta add “like me” to avoid getting clapped

[agile pilot]

How is she lookin' after the 'buff"?

[lament wigeon]

It's a politically correct nerf tho

[crude oasis]

If we want practical testing, we have to wait - the bugfix patch isn't out yet

But it looks straightforward

[acoustic field]

This

Perfect desc

Ill use that term thank you

[lament wigeon]

anytime, kinda sad we lost the doll and OL charge damage buff 😦 now have reroll cause mine randomly had lots of charge damage

[stone urchin]

They really should buff cindy aoe

She is RL but has 0 aoe

What is the point of being RL if it doesnt deal aoe on impact then

[lament wigeon]

she should be SR

[crude oasis]

If they wanted, they could make it where a machine gun started firing explosive bullets which annihilates half the screen during burst. Don't get fixated on weapon type. Look at BS Scarlet.. RL but swings a sword

And original Scarlet... assault rifle but also swings a sword

[brave trout]

Can't wait for Lilith's hands to be categorized as SG

[stone urchin]

Why shot gun not SMG

[dark lotus]

Surely she's new years

[brave trout]

Have you seen what those hands could do? She made quick work of the LC raptures

[stone urchin]

SG meta

We have too many iron

Hopefully she is something else

Fire

[deep wasp]

Wasted over 70+ rocks to try getting the recommended OL lines and end up settling with only 3 charge dmg, 4 elem damage, 1 ammo unfortunately. To make matters worse, my SR doll is level 15 on Cinderella.

Have 4 rocks remaining and will just used these leftover to OL Grave instead

Need to reroll charge dmg for 4 atk and some ammo lines to make up for my big losses later

[lost zinc]

Crit > charge dmg sadge

[copper ice]

this year cindy's kit is nothing special compared to red hood

disappointing unit kit tbh

just stronger

they could have just slap her with two elemental code or something

having RL unit shoot like AR, ALright alright enough cooking shiftup.

[lament wigeon]

sheer powercreep in damage, but yeah lack of interesting gimmick, redhood changed gameplay and ways to use burst

[copper ice]

i thought this year would be different but they just gave her special firepower and having RL with no aoe

[lament wigeon]

tbh it should been SR with pierce

[copper ice]

heck even that.

[lament wigeon]

probably was at one point, considering Grave buffs pierce

[waxen cedar]

Her basic attack is a new gimnick tho

(and the decoys)

[green verge]

a gimmick that most players won;t use due to her horrible burst gen

and the decoys that constantly ruined my crystal chamber run lol

[lament wigeon]

kinda sucks her gimmick is detrimental for that bossfight, thats supposed to use her lmao

[crude oasis]

Decoys ruined it? How?

Don't they just sit there taking hits?

[green verge]

if the first ice ball targeted Cindy, it's GG because Cindy can't i frame it due to decoys

[crude oasis]

I think she's a pilot of "hold to keep firing RL shots" mechanic

[crude oasis]

Uhoh

[lament wigeon]

thats an interesting fix, that do hope they implement

[modest nest]

oh btw

if CC ball hits Cinderella

[maiden thicket]

[copper ice]

CC 28-40, qte was a nightmare

[wheat vault]

immediately demoted to S tier

[modest nest]

30-34

I broke 2 horns

[green verge]

That's the same amount I broke lol

She brute forced it with her burst tho so it's fine

[modest nest]

with Alice Laplace, I broke 4 horns with pierce

back when I cleared C30 with piercers, I broke 7

Cindy be like: Horn dmg? So un-beautiful

[simple dock]

whose account is this

[modest nest]

won't answer

[fathom kiln]

Is atk% lines have significant affect on cinderella?

[simple dock]

2nd best line

so yes

[gloomy quartz]

My cindy just keeps getting crit rates

[simple dock]

better than def

still fixing my sbs bitch is expensive af

[gloomy quartz]

I gave up on her

She’s never gonna get corrected

[arctic pagoda]

what is cinderellas best team currently?

[fathom kiln]

not max ammo?

[simple dock]

you just need 1 or 2 lines of ammo on her

1 at 60% would be enough

[fathom kiln]

alright

i wonder if they gonna give us skill reset for Cinderella bug

i need it due to overleveled quency burst to 10

[lavish bridge]

[gloomy quartz]

Damn. Need to reset her

I just 10/10/10’d her

[dusky niche]

if you have enough skill mats, 10/10/10 is fine because even a small gain is a gain
I'm stopping her skills at 10/5/10 though because I have many units left to be invested.
5/5/5 Ein, 5/5/5 M.Priv, 7/4/5 Scarlet, and 1/1/1 Grave...

[lavish bridge]

@toxic wren

[toxic wren]

hmm are u buffing the hp value for cindy as well?

or no?

[lavish bridge]

buff what

oh of course i did

[toxic wren]

hmm what level are these stats?

400?

[lavish bridge]

max lvl 5 OL gears, Sr15 doll, lvl 10 cube

bond level included

[toxic wren]

i think the diff might be on gears here

kos said smthng like that

[lavish bridge]

more like from the inflated buff from rouge HP

and atk from sanis and crown

which doesnt scale with cindy stat at all

[toxic wren]

ohhh

ohhh

now it makes sense

a lot of sense

[lavish bridge]

do u want me to test anything else @toxic wren

already did vigor vs resil im not doing it again

[toxic wren]

no, I think its time to move on to grave now

im happy with what we've done and learned about cindy atp

[lavish bridge]

done

im happy too

still have no clue how grave gonna work so need to get her first lol

[sullen forum]

only question is can you keep the s1 active while aiming and shooting nothing while in offburst and does it even matter if you can spam with sr's

[fallen quartz]

only question is can she bug free

[sullen forum]

thats a no

you know it

[fallen quartz]

imagine bugs yikes

[lavish bridge]

i'd like to just swap to sniper once burst end and start spamming
and i hope she works with that

there's no point in manual grave

[fallen quartz]

Grave drop the 'g' in her name during FB

Rave with bullets!

[lavish bridge]

time to do Grave vs crown to buff alice no?

DD Grave/Crown/Mari Alice SBS Privaty

[sullen forum]

we need a calc to see how good is grave compared to mari

[toxic wren]

Crown is simply better its not even close bro

[lavish bridge]

mari is a bitch to manual ngl

[sullen forum]

because for peak buffs grave looks worse according to snake

[toxic wren]

#1299716274670010399 message

[lavish bridge]

the core hit every 10s was bullshit against massive object and land eater

[toxic wren]

somehow need to involve the fact that grave can do scarlet(without s.anis) lvl dps

Asuka: 18.76% × 4.92 = .922
Grave: 17.91% × 3.54 = .634
Scarlet: 27.08% × 2.1575 = .584

grave asuka is one thing i can see happening

but cindy takes away anything that the fire team could have

[toxic wren]

on neutral elements

[molten oak]

Midlet

[lavish bridge]

lol saying grave doing scarlet dps is eh

[toxic wren]

her buffs

very low

overall

i think bunnies better

[lavish bridge]

so i scroll a bit less

[slate apex]

https://discord.com/channels/968096627002851379/1299716274670010399

[lavish bridge]

shut up dad

[willow sierra]

Daddy chill

[gloomy quartz]

Ain’t got the time to read allat

Number big or small?

[molten oak]

-#

[simple dock]

new bugs

i can smell it

[copper ice]

Thanks champ, more like this for future units. Keep up the good work

[slate apex]

so 10/4/10?

[fathom kiln]

Shift up better give us that skill reset item, because i almost max the skill2 for Cinder

[silver plank]

reminds me of toram lol

[lavish bridge]

unless the extra decoy HP is needed, yes

[silver plank]

i stil hav no idea what the decoy does

[lavish bridge]

basically an extra HP bar

[fallen quartz]

does lv 4 already give max benefit of Beautiful stacks?

[wheat vault]

leveling s2 gives more hp per beauty stacks which translates to more damage from s1

but it’s not that big of a scaling

[exotic forum]

my cindy doing 2058714 + 61871 with a rumani egg comp rn

will see if the post-fix numbers are close

[silver plank]

bouta get cut in half

massess riot

[brazen violet]

maint happneing now?

[frail crow]

yuh

5 hours

[brazen violet]

[frail crow]

No more Cindy calcs until you do your homework

[silver plank]

THE MAINTENENCE NOTFICATION WONT STOP

[brazen violet]

guess ill play zzz

i did get yanagi

[silver plank]

oh wait maintaineintience just starteddd

why was i kicked outt

leme in plz?

[toxic wren]

Reverted back to 50 radius
Animation change perhaps

[potent sapphire]

we have datamine?

[sullen forum]

do I reset my 10/7/10

[potent sapphire]

maybe they went with straight invisible bullets and curvy laser animation

[modest nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301398523882901550/1303229050122141827/nikketgv-20241104-222637-0001-djkGVz85.gif

factos

[waxen cedar]

Why is the damage increase from lvl4 to 7 so low??

[exotic forum]

bc all you get is a miniscule hp% increase

[waxen cedar]

Makes sense. Time to reset her lol

Don't need a trillion HP decoy

[wheat vault]

true but no matter what the damage ceiling requires you to put level 10 s2

[exotic forum]

waste of resources for 99% of ppl

honestly mod burst from 7 to 10 is prob higher value

[fallen quartz]

however, if you main Cinder in hard campaign comp, a lv 10 skill add more power to overall Power.

Deficit is a bitch.

[copper ice]

i mean i probably just use her for electric stage

4 to 7 cp is not that big of a deal

[fallen quartz]

4 to 10 is

[modest nest]

6k cp

nice

[fallen quartz]

also, CC and MC hard stages

you need those power

[copper ice]

already have my cindy at lvl 7 not gonna bother anymore. i do care about cp

in some way..

but my resources

[fallen quartz]

Also, nothing mention about Cinder's problem against CC

Crystal chambers

[modest nest]

trust the process

hit -ATK

also no need to break horns

2 are enough

[copper ice]

yeah i broke about like how many horns? 2-3?

with cindy still doing more dps

[crude oasis]

I went 10/10/10 Figured fatter decoy has some merit in PvP.

Does it?

[copper ice]

hitting the qte is rng

[exotic forum]

not really

[modest nest]

but who hits you lmao

and yes, decoy has a play in PVP

definitely against SG P5

or raw dmg P1

[exotic forum]

7 to 10 isn't much decoy hp increase

[modest nest]

if you are trying to brute force P1 Cinderella with 5 SG

trust me it won't work

[exotic forum]

better off lvling the skills of your other pvp units

[modest nest]

the decoy is technically a shield on herself, behave like a shield too

never block AoE

[fallen quartz]

the decoy is her shield, literally.

[elder pier]

Is there anything on cindy's gun with this patch?

[molten oak]

I dunno

[fallen quartz]

new bug

[molten oak]

[oak cargo]

||me||

[molten oak]

[oak cargo]

Damn cindy SS HD now with the normal attack buff?

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-steve-austin-stone-cold-what-gif-5546524793881907206

[crude oasis]

Post-bugfix Anomaly Mirror Container. Keep in mind I’m a bit challenged at manual play

I’m not sure if I submitted another Anomaly Mirror Container before patch

ah, here it is, pre-bugfix Anomaly Mirror Container https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1299716154125713549/1301796652453068840/image.png?ex=672d085c&is=672bb6dc&hm=e4e44651b20a7ba00022580e4500da3822fad66dbd9819d8cd2f952da33cbc9b&

The older screenshot (just above with 2.2b Cindy) was with these OLs on Cindy

95% ele
45% atk
145% ammo
4.77% charge damage

While the newer screenshot (2nd screenshot above with 2.4b Cindy) is with more max ammo and no charge damage, and I had maxed her S2. No dolls in either.

I also played better, probably. It was also EZ mode playing for me too, like mostly braindead auto for the newer screenshot, just constant aiming at Mirror Container core with aim assist, aside from using Rouge to destroy phase 2 Glass Slippers

I only reached phase 7…

I guess I need a mightier Summer Anis or something to have a shot at phase 9

[molten oak]

she's still failing near attacks

in the core

yup

and a lot

[radiant dragon]

i think cindy is missing core shots often after this update on MC AI, someone can confirm ?

[dark lotus]

Feels like they did nothing about her missing core shots💀

Almost no core hit

[molten oak]

yup she's failing more core hits on MC AI

[gloomy quartz]

Did they not do this whole maintenance to FIX this bs?

And make her more consistent?

Idk they meant that they want to miss consistently

So… cindy just got a smol atk nerf

And that’s it

[fluid bone]

she seems to hit consistently in shooting range at midrange

close range she starts missing core

[heavy scaffold]

she still misses core in close range

[molten oak]

where's the nothing changed meme

[toxic timber]

How tf your Cinderella didn't hit 3b with that stat

[dusty shuttle]

...so, just like she was doing before

@toxic wren pretty sure this was the case after the first bug fix

[gloomy quartz]

So let’s just call it what it is

Cindy got nerfed a tiny bit

Dmg loss could’ve been acceptable if she hit consistently

now it’s just more loss

[molten oak]

holy fuck SU

[fluid bone]

SU spaghetti code

[gloomy quartz]

Thank god I didn’t give into the coom and mlb’d her

[oak cargo]

WDF

[dark lotus]

So what was the point of the maintenance

Shift up is trolling us

[gloomy quartz]

We got a free pull

It’s a win

[molten oak]

I cant hit the slippers with cinderella

back to day 1

[potent sapphire]

[crude oasis]

Idk

[gloomy quartz]

intern kun was gooning during maint

Makes sense

Probably working from home

[frigid pumice]

On bed

[haughty robin]

you can play the game with one hand, but you can also develop the game with one hand

[exotic forum]

is she missing now?

or is her missing/core hit situation pretty close to before

[elder pier]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/120656771?category=정보&p=1

Seems to be better

Not perfect

No longer hitting stray projectiles when targeting boss

Or circles

[exotic forum]

what nerf did she get

what's this about a smol net nerf

[elder pier]

Its nerf if u have charge dmg ol

If u dont then it dont matter

[plucky rampart]

SU you had one job and still cant do it
Missing core still going on
Charge bug become feature
What even this maintenance for?

[molten oak]

they added her gacha skin

[exotic forum]

now my cindy is doing 1936519 + 61871

no charge dmg rolls, only SR5 doll

6% burst dmg nerf

[frigid pumice]

Crit variance?

[exotic forum]

I only counted non-crit

those are per hit

and repeated, no variance within the non-crit

[frigid pumice]

Also whats a rumani egg comp lol

[exotic forum]

just team for insta burst and minimal buffs

welp

ig they calling it quits on cindy

esp with announcing solo raid that quick

unless they wanna delay it again, we only got room for quick bandaid fixes

which won't work for cindy

does cindy really struggle more with MC core?

isn't mc supposed to be far range

[plucky rampart]

She back like at the start
Missing cause MC move up and down but not missing entirely just like at release
Just missing core hits

[molten oak]

her weapon is a mistake

pepega code

[tired elm]

is kr and jp rioting or wat

need more buffs beah

[fiery frigate]

Looks like I'm still at my original plan of waiting til final day to see if I should burn my wallet on mlb

[gloomy laurel]

Pilgrim nerf is real

[exotic forum]

[crude oasis]

Bricked ||She didn't get to kill anything in event story because Grave and team killed them all||

Team was on full auto

Probably because of projectile travel time

[frigid pumice]

Lore accurate kekw

Cindy no need to deal with small fry

[copper ice]

rioting that pudusy

[molten oak]

[elder pier]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/120657578?category=정보&p=1

lmao so apparently core hit rate tied to fps

[exotic forum]

lol

new bug

kinda

they just... partially fixed core hit issue

they really shouldn't have announced SR so quick

what they gonna do

they prob just gonna give up on cindy

maybe a quick bandaid fix that'll likely cause new issues

bc I don't see them delay SR again

[molten oak]

[exotic forum]

I'm in awe at the lvl of confidence they have in their internal testers

[molten oak]

she's corrupted

[frail crow]

Me when cool mechanic no worky

[plucky rampart]

They're confident enough that they reduce the maintenance time but still fucked up in the end lol

[exotic forum]

if no news from SU by reset tomorrow we'll just have to accept the way she is

[marble glacier]

no testers, we are the testers

[rancid siren]

Classic MG bug lol

Cindy is a MG acting as RL

[exotic forum]

yeah at 60 fps in various ranges she's mostly fine with core hit

except when close range and the boss is far to the left

0 core hits then

otherwise fairly consistent

[silver owl]

so basically it was a fix-ish?

[exotic forum]

partial fix

yeah

[silver owl]

yeah

[exotic forum]

lemme check mirror, didn't do mirror runs before this

[silver owl]

lower end device owners malding