[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

[simple dock]

also the boulders mostly get in the way so you accidentally destroy them anyway

[oak cargo]

clutch

happen in mc also

[molten oak]

Yeah she's immortal

but not in pvp

[oak cargo]

NA server Mirror Container, Cindy taking over now clearing path for new meta

first appearance in top 10 lowest iirc

[elder pier]

Damn eclipse finally broke 160 wall?

[sacred grove]

[gloomy quartz]

That’s his whale alt

[weary cedar]

Is that really that eclipse koray guy?

He's gone

Couldnt tag him, he might blocked me

[toxic wren]

no

its @fluid bone

[fringe kettle]

he's prob still at 160

[gloomy quartz]

But she’s a good scarlet nuke replacement if you can get her in a fast team

[heavy scaffold]

fr?

[fringe kettle]

no I can ping him

[molten oak]

Yeah he's still in 160 wall

[fringe kettle]

"wall"

[weary cedar]

Couldn't find his name on tag list

Koray, eclipse, eclipse koray

[heavy scaffold]

maybe you're blocked

[molten oak]

I can tag him

nobody block Italians

[fringe kettle]

blocked

[molten oak]

[wheat vault]

mamma mia

[exotic forum]

I did nihil ch 22 hard with cindy yesterday

several mg rounds I had my team facetank and take no dmg

first volley would hit cindy and do nothing, second volley would hit invuln and taunting crown

rng on when nihil targets cindy, but great when it happens

[vale forge]

doll is very good for her right?

[exotic forum]

she doesn't scale that well off it

charge dmg isn't that good on her

[toxic wren]

Nah it's good

It's good on her

[vale forge]

@_@

[toxic wren]

Hardest hitting unit in the game

Give her those stats

[vale forge]

aight then imma give her doll

[fallen quartz]

Nice!!

this is a good roll, as my cinders already have 3 max ammo line

[fluid bone]

[fallen quartz]

one ammo line is black, so yeah...

3 is overkill, and she shoot non-stop

[fallen quartz]

70 ammo

[fallen quartz]

Shooting range test

[weary cedar]

Why not bring Exia or Naga?

Or DPS like Ein or Scarler would give better results than support?

[simple dock]

so he can shit on midlet dmg

[stoic storm]

I wonder if any "new account guides" still reccomend rerolling for Scarlet

[molten oak]

Damn 2022 part of 23 recommendations

in almost 2025

[oak cargo]

show me a pic of cindy in campaign

[fallen quartz]

I just turn off NIKKE, need a nap 😭

[oak cargo]

[deft obsidian]

I've been using Cindy in hard campaign as second burst just to nuke the boss

Still ends up top damage

[gloomy quartz]

Bruh cindy why

I’ll keep it for the cp

[tired elm]

so cindy a skip then

[gloomy quartz]

For sure bro

Just like how red hood was a massive skip

[deft obsidian]

Nikke is like golf. The lower numbers mean you're winning

[gloomy quartz]

Man I really like hard mode stages where my nikkes hit for 1 damage

[stoic storm]

Def down Nikke actually getting a chance to shine????

[crude oasis]

Not really

[ripe abyss]

C5, 3 days left, 402 gold tickets. Trying to wait until I've used the free draw on the last day to see where I'm at, but my fingers are twitching....

[dusky niche]

850 gold tickets left, and no intention to use them to get dupes
need 400 for Christmas and 200 for the New Year in the worst-case scenario

[subtle oxide]

I got pretty lucky.

MLB Cindy. About 670 Mileage left.

Only used Mileage on Grave.

[topaz rampart]

finally done with 32H. close to fail because the second qte time is up. Useless blue lines and SR15 SAnis ramp up my CP to 1.193
not the lowest but I'm glad I won't see this mf anytime soon.

debating if I want to squeeze one copy of cindy with my remaining 400 milage or not. she is really good on water weak, but I don't want to suffer if NY is another pilgrim

[willow sierra]

Im at 400 mileage if i use all my gems but i need all 6 xmas nikkes

Only got 1 cindy and 1 grave

[deft obsidian]

Of the first four Xmas Nikkes, only 1.5 worth getting

[fallen quartz]

Imagine we get Xmas Dolla

[exotic forum]

1600 mileage, 230 pulls, mlb cindy already considering mileaging for a core or two

[deft obsidian]

I regret getting C7

Should've left her MLB

[quaint badge]

How much dmg does sr 15 doll give to cinder Ella?

[jaunty igloo]

8178 more atk during burst

[radiant dragon]

from SR 5 to SR 15 it's like 5%, from no doll 7~8% ig

[ripe abyss]

Hooray for the daily free pull. C6 now, shiny pfp here I come

[tired elm]

so you are saying cindy is a skip?

[molten oak]

Skip this one

[tired elm]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-hachiware-sad-yorokobiganai-rain-gif-15163506454461744791

[deft obsidian]

[exotic forum]

Electric weak, the most lopsided of the fights I did, but Cindy still out dpsed in all of them, usually by double

Been using Cindy unless mod needed for hit count (in ele weak ofc)

Also used her in water weak nihil, more DMG than rh or Alice, even when rh has Alice buff, about same performance as them in terms of winning the fight, maybe a tad bit lower since my best p2 strat is actually breaking a head, and she is bad at that

My Cindy is like 88% ele

[deft obsidian]

One of the time-wasting defend the wall missions

[exotic forum]

In neutral campaign I prob won't use her unless her burst is specifically good for a matchup

Haven't tried her as off burst in a no liter comp for neutral yet

But she outperforms off burst mod for nihil

[deft obsidian]

Makes sense

MG cries when no core

[deft obsidian]

Hard 28 Crystal Chamber Never made it to phase 2

[modest nest]

stop playing in blue

[deft obsidian]

I'm in red now!

[simple dock]

it's time for red now

[gloomy quartz]

Make your bank acc go red so you can play in blue

[deft obsidian]

I actually have at least 10 levels of mats stored up that I could use to go blue again

[dusty shuttle]

Do you just store your mats so you can dump them every time you finish new story content?

[shrewd bloom]

Cleared 24-34H with 25%ish deficit on my first try with her (which I had skipped 2 weeks prior to advance).

[oak cargo]

H24-34 2-3-2 Bronchus 25% deficit

[deft obsidian]

I store them until Union Raid usually

but recently it hasn't mattered

Cindy doing well even in fire-weak levels

[bronze estuary]

Cindy worth using mileages for mlb?

[deft obsidian]

If you spend money on the game

[gloomy quartz]

Yea if you’re a spender and are looking for the highest scores on solo raid sure. Otherwise single copy enough. Better to level her doll to sr15

[stoic storm]

Yeah I'm saving my mileage to get dupes of whatever B3 Pilgirm DPS we inevitably get on NY

[stoic storm]

Dupes don't buff the stats she gets from:

• Rouge
• Red Hood B1
• Summer Anis
• Crown
• Rem
• other casters ATK or HP buffs.

And no amount of dupes makes her stats high enough to want to put her in a team with Liter/Maxwell/other Cindy-base-stat-scaling buffers.

In contrast if you get dupes for an Attacker B3, the higher base is further buffed by Liter/Maxwell/etc

The only good thing she has going for higher base stats is her S1 benefits from higher base HP, but I don't think that alone is worth it considering so much of her final stats comes from team mates instead.

[sacred grove]

do you have spare mileage for christmas and ny or not?

[bronze estuary]

no i decided to save for christmas limited nikke

if the game decides to fck me over by not giving me through pulls

[sacred grove]

and ny double banner right?

right?

[bronze estuary]

shit this too?

dw i have enough

[sacred grove]

nah I dont think it is another double

if its yes most gonna be cooked

[bronze estuary]

Rose banner for ny

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[sacred grove]

save and get back in 2077 later on

[tired sequoia]

Tower 550 and 30-34 Hard on mobile vertical is painful, but I’m finally free

Wait, 31 Hard is Crystal again?!

[fluid bone]

yes

[tired sequoia]

Thanks for confirming

[toxic wren]

Would've been ultimate troll if they gave 33H as crystal again

[tired sequoia]

If I’m not mistaken, the sequence of bosses should be:

31: Crystal
32: Mirror
33: Armor
34: Behemoth

[toxic wren]

Yeah

[tired sequoia]

Never want to see or hear Crystal ever again

[heavy scaffold]

wait for 35 to be crystal again

[fluid bone]

and then 36 will be rebuild cc

[tired sequoia]

Considering the ungodly amount of resources we’ve all collectively funneled into electric, might as well. At least the expenditure will be justifiable

The disparity in elemental code is hilarious

[stoic storm]

Yeah I managed to squeeze into top 3% for the first time after dumping weeks of resources into my electric Nikke

Other elements? Trash

[tired sequoia]

Congrats! I feel like if you reach 3% once, you’re in good standing for future SRs as well

[stoic storm]

The other big improvement is I finally got Tove so could run a proper SG team instead of a cursed team 5

[tired sequoia]

Ran SG for the first time as well. and couldn’t believe how comfortable they were to play

In the Tiga comp, Bsoda cleared the rocks off-burst (4 shots) and Tia + Mpriv cleared the QTE off-burst (1 Tia shot to clear outer rings and 3 Mpriv shots to clear center ring)

[gloomy quartz]

it's raining cindy's today

mlb in 80 pulls

[acoustic field]

This is how I cleared it at higher deficit

You could use Scarlet + Blanc ther

Instead of Cindy Ein

[strange quiver]

Why don't you play horizontally

[strange quiver]

I wish red hood has 0 cd

[rugged lake]

Interesting analysis

Is it possible that her atk increase from dupes and also the increase in atk from s1 that calculates off her increased base hp makes her per dupe power increase similar to an attacker without the self buff s1?

[acoustic field]

And therefore dupes for all of them are worth it

[rugged lake]

So instead of needing to core max only Cindy, you have to core max her and all of her support nikke. Shiftup knows how to make money

[gloomy quartz]

Soon we’ll be getting dupe specific upgrades like brown dust 2

[rugged lake]

Oh hell no

[gloomy quartz]

Or like any other gambler exploitation gacha game really

[rugged lake]

Come to think of it, that's treasures in a nutshell

[gloomy quartz]

But they suck, they’re not a pure damage% increase like in bd2

only laplace and exia are worth it

[rugged lake]

For now, but they do change a lot about how the character is played

[gloomy quartz]

re enter b2

nah but fr

Let’s hope they don’t figure out and nikke stays free from the dupe curse

[acoustic field]

Well the reason why dupes for ATK-based Nikke are more baluable is because

HP-based buffs are SUPER diluted by supports

Cindy alone is 100% defender HP

Now add Rouge

Sanis Crown whateve

It becomes 300%+ likely

Meaning that only Cindy's has <33% impact on the total ATK

Now ATK is different

ATK buffs arent as diluting

[rugged lake]

What's the net effect of one Cindy dupe vs one attacker dupe on damage?

[dusky niche]

they are telling us to max all

[elder pier]

With crown + sanis + rouge, cindy stats still contribute to 54% of her final atk. Assuming everyone same investment

[dusky niche]

54% real?
I think it should be lower during FB

[elder pier]

Actually a little higher since sanis and crown s1 atk buff dont affect her initial 10 big hits from burst skill

[dusky niche]

how about Rouge burst?

Cindy's burst is roughly 50% of her total damage

[elder pier]

Wdym?

[dusky niche]

how did you calculate 54%?

[elder pier]

Using nikkepedia stats for defender and supp.

Assuming max stacked rouge so 80% hp buff.

[dusky niche]

I didn't realize Cindy's burst doesn't get Cronw's (ATK) buff
Thank you for letting me know

[elder pier]

The smaller additional dmg from cindy burst is affected atleast.

[rugged lake]

Wait, really?

Because crown atk buff happens at the start of full burst and not after b2?

[dusky niche]

yes I guess so
that's what happened to Priv burst when I was doing Ch21 MW
I didn't check myself, so not 100% sure though

[stoic storm]

Yes, however her final team power does not increase by as much because her best teams will always avoid buffs that scale on her low base.

The S1 makes her starting stats pre-buffers equivalent, but Maxwell, Liter, etc are still to be avoided because their buffs are so much worse on her.

So ultimately her damage in meta teams won't scale as much with dupes as someone who frequently runs with Liter, Maxwell, etc.

[rugged lake]

Gotcha

[tired sequoia]

Skill issue tbh. My fingers can’t figure it out

[dusky niche]

150 pulls and no Cindy
idk why I spent so many gems for 1%
wasn't rational at all

[subtle oxide]

[weary cedar]

Go 50 more

Mileage her

[shrewd bloom]

Gotta remember that this game is first and foremost A GACHA

[dusky niche]

I already used 200 mileages, and got one for SR
was hoping I'd be lucky enough to get 1-2 dupes

[rugged lake]

Meaning?

[rugged lake]

Yeah that's what I did

[shrewd bloom]

You win some, you lose some, but don't expect the game to always be generous

I got MLB Cindy with just 120 pulls, but I also went 400 pulls in with just 1 featured 2% banner unit

[rugged lake]

Sounds like you won

And lost

[shrewd bloom]

Yeah, because that's the nature of the game

It will never be a pattern or be generous with you because you have been on a bad streak

[rugged lake]

Yeah

Did you stop at MLB?

[shrewd bloom]

Yeah I didn't even buy the pulls

[rugged lake]

Nice

[shrewd bloom]

Although the skill mats one is filtring with me

Wait... it is not skill mats anymore

[molten oak]

Imagine buying those packs

It couldn't be me

[rugged lake]

Technical master set?

[shrewd bloom]

The one that used to give around 600 blue skill mats , it now gives rocks and 1 t9m

[rugged lake]

The $9.99 pack gives 100 blue skill and 50 blue burst mats

[heavy scaffold]

yea can't be the sane version of me

[shrewd bloom]

Nah, I want the one that gave purple and gold mats too

100 blue mats is what? Just 2 ish days of Simulation, it is the other purple and golds that made up for it

[rugged lake]

Oh

[molten oak]

Lol

[fathom kiln]

She's almost perfectly Beautiful
I just need to get rid that charge speed and crit rate

[oak cargo]

[toxic wren]

crit is better than charge damage dude

i think u mean, get rid of charge damage for an atk buff

[fathom kiln]

oh that how it is

It's great though seeing big number charge damage when she shooting

[stoic storm]

Charge damage is additive to the 250, so you're just going from 250 to ~275

[fathom kiln]

I guess i change charge speed first
Waiting for that item lock is super long

[exotic forum]

you also want more atk

my cindy is almost done, will post once she's fully ready and beautiful

just rerolling %s now

[fathom kiln]

Yeah seem need to roll for Atk% too, but i will hold it for now with the SR already ended. Who know what element next Raid will be.

I hope it's not rerun

[dull osprey]

Why not buy rock

[heavy scaffold]

that's a pure scam

[plucky rampart]

Here buy rock with this lol

[dull osprey]

Everyone will have cube level 7 at most if this is still around since ss1

[heavy scaffold]

what the fuck is that

[simple dock]

union shop at the start of the game

[stoic storm]

I miss coop shop at start of game

Put my Nikke through college with all the credits

[heavy scaffold]

my 30 rocks gave me nothing ffs

[molten oak]

[deft obsidian]

So uh

Fun fact I just learned

Decoys will actually take the stun beams of Sentries

The unit behind the decoy won't get stunned

[fluid bone]

yeah someone already confirmed that with blacksmith

[exotic forum]

the projectiles don't look wonky now

[crude oasis]

Omg Blacksmith that targets highest HP. Cinderella is so screwed if her Decoy isn't able to last

[exotic forum]

decoy will be fine I think

good amount of time between mgs and stun

just burst during it

that's assuming you don't just break the mgs

[copper ice]

skip, cause banner over.

[gloomy quartz]

Yea bro glad I skipped her

[rugged lake]

This was my best pilgrim banner to date. 50 tickets and 200 mileage for MLB

[weary cedar]

Could've saved mileage if you try maybe 50 pulls more

[fringe kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-bulls-last-dance-espn-nba-gif-17151154

[rugged lake]

I mileaged on first day and pulled on last lol. Also could've blown 200 pulls without getting a single copy

[weary cedar]

That's when you use the mileage

[rugged lake]

When?

My thought process was to mileage one day 1 and just not pull more. I've been shafted by pilgrim banners too many times in the past and my stash was not healthy enough for Xmas and ny banners

But then @gloomy quartz said it was raining Cindy's for him, so I decided to throw some tickets. Got a double cindy on my first 10 and a third on my fifth 10. Walked away from the gacha without going any deeper

[gloomy quartz]

Bro doubled down on my luck

[tired elm]

is it worth using tickets to mlb

[gloomy quartz]

[exotic forum]

I should stop here right

or maybe I should go for 100% ele 40% atk

[molten oak]

[dull osprey]

40 rocks (on this piece) later finally some colorful line.

[acoustic field]

Roll for crit top right or max ammo right

[exotic forum]

[copper ice]

just missing an atk line :(, idk if i want to keep going

[oak cargo]

Prolly not

It requires a fix into crit/ed/atk into ammo/ed/atk first before messing up with that 60 ammo

Prefer not requires

[copper ice]

i want to keep that crit rate tho

[oak cargo]

per 1 time

this one is tricky

so gotta get ammo somewhere to hold it through the whole process

[stoic storm]

Fishing with first line locked

won't lie I'd just call it as is

That's gonna cost so many rocks to get a third good line on

Surely you have other meta Nikke you can better spend rocks on

[willow sierra]

Luck is weird i locked 1st and 2nd slot and got my desired 3rd slot buff with a single pull, but ive been trying for a month to get a good first slot buff

[ripe void]

Stock for maiden alter Final Quest (DQ)

[dusky niche]

Cindy has a hidden passive: Client Crash Rate increases by 70%

[tired sequoia]

For campaign bossing (31 hard and onwards), am I correct to assume that the final 2 atk lines on the chest and arm pieces are mandatory?

[exotic forum]

I wouldn't say mandatory

atk% rolls aren't that much value to her

[tired sequoia]

That’s what I thought as well, but I kept seeing sporadic comments here and there stating otherwise. If this was your Cindy, would you push for it or leave as is?

Thank you by the way. Your time is appreciated!!

[exotic forum]

I would push it bc I'm crazy

if I was sane I would stop there

[tired sequoia]

If any of us were sane, we wouldn’t be playing a gacha game I have been fishing for the final Ele line on my Alice for the last 7 months or so. Still no dice

Rocks go poof like my will to live

[wheat vault]

while it’s true %atk is less valuable to her

the other lines but ele are shit and if you wanna reach the damage ceiling, atk line it is

[modest nest]

If you were me, you would stop there

[molten oak]

Gatrix is still feeding laplace

[modest nest]

actually Anis

need that cp padding

[wheat vault]

the hell?

regular anis?

[molten oak]

Bro's living in 2022 pvp

[crude oasis]

Vindication one day when they link base character to all alters for bonus stats depending on how fed the base character is?

Nahhh, probably not

[modest nest]

currently we have 5 batteries

Anis is one of them

[tired sequoia]

Wait, are you Gatrix from DC?

If so, you’re like this mythological being whose name I’ve seen nonstop for the last 3-4 years

[modest nest]

yes

[crude oasis]

The many-named Gatrix

He rotates through names like I do through Nikke avatars and frames

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-joke-jim-identity-theft-gif-14240042

[tired sequoia]

Back in the DC days, I swear that everyone was always yapping about and or sniping at him jokingly

Always seemed to set the benchmark

[modest nest]

if you held my phone, you would know

[acoustic field]

Dont fix whats not needed to be fixed i wasted 120 like rocks for nothing but because I reverted everything

[molten oak]

[tired sequoia]

I think you’re right. At the end of the day, Cindy’s main value is the elemental damage she brings to water bossing. Prioritizing higher elemental percentages over fishing for extra attack lines feels more sensible in the long run. Desperately need to avoid turning Cindy into Alice 2.0. Thanks for the gentle reminder

If the reversion has anything to do with the whole charge damage reversal, then condolences

[toxic wren]

Wow
12/12

[crude oasis]

With campaigning, you can always fall back to waiting longer and growing synchro levels more. Stat penalties from deficit are a major obstacle

It also can be nice to be in a position where you can more easily substitute characters for certain battles, this gets harder if we talk about substituting an absolutely perfectly built character

So excessively funneling your rocks onto one character, probably not a good move

[wheat vault]

the late stages of campaign is gonna suck for any new players

it’s always a dps check of a certain character

ein/cindy/ass for boss
sbs for 33-34

don’t pass those checks? better wait until blue cp

[tired sequoia]

True. Additionally, aside from bragging rights and ranking, there isn’t any real incentive to push campaign. Pushing tower just to fail molds is also painful. So many Pilgrim molds dematerializing right before my eyes. At this point, I’m honestly just glad that I can even reach the hard content as f2p and continue to enjoy playing

[deft obsidian]

Credits are the main incentive to push campaign for me

I struggle for credits more than dust nowadays

[wheat vault]

you gotta keep advancing in sync just because of UR and pvp. if you don't care about those two, then good for you

[tired sequoia]

I’ve been farming credit through dispatch and story events. Slow, but steady flow of resource

[tired sequoia]

Thankfully UR has been a non-challenge and PVP I only play 1-2 times a week just to maintain the steady income of 2000 per season

I tired to do better in PvP but I’m too stupid for it

[simple dock]

Sync level feels so less important than OL lines, dolls

SR is like the only worthy late game content right now

[wheat vault]

you still need it if you wanna be competitive in ur and pvp

everyone else is going up in sync

whether you like it or not

[simple dock]

in PVP sure, but you'll reach a critical mass in UR

[silver owl]

there isn’t any real incentive to push campaign

uhm... outpost levels?? unless you're already pretty high outpost level

[wheat vault]

that critical mass is still far away from most of us

[simple dock]

at sync 500 i dont think sync matter anymore for UR

[wheat vault]

every second matters

[simple dock]

you can already solo 3 lv10 bosses at that point

well i mean not that kind of competitive where it's not only in-game check but also hardware check

[wheat vault]

it's not about soloing, it's about reaching your target damage as fast as possible in a race

[simple dock]

i never been to that environment before so i dont know

but it sound completely shitty

[wheat vault]

it is, but with cube level update, i gotta stick with it

costs 100k chips to up a cube from 10 to 15

[silver owl]

yikes

[wheat vault]

and it's only once a month

if solo raid batteries are selectors instead

it would have been better

[silver owl]

highest income of chips was what again?

10k for rank 1?

[wheat vault]

8k for rank 1

[simple dock]

8k

[silver owl]

ah

[wheat vault]

around 5.8k just for clearing 1-10

[simple dock]

how much for 1 battery though ?

[wheat vault]

200

[silver owl]

200

[simple dock]

you need 100 for 1 level past 10, so 20k in total

[silver owl]

a 10 month endeavor at worst bruh

assuming sr gives you shit battery drops you don't need

[simple dock]

rank 10 give you 5k2, rank 61-70 give you 4k2

so after 20 months you'll be 1 level cube higher

that's kinda yikes

[silver owl]

are UR rewards gonna be sent out today?

kinda want to get my resil to 9 already ugh

[exotic forum]

And then when cube is finally lvl 14, they release atk% cube

Now you're behind on that

[simple dock]

the only thing matter for cube is the strong element stat

and you only need them for 2 best cube, resi and bastion

[exotic forum]

Atk cube is like an entire atk OL stat

[simple dock]

if there's an atk cube, its stat likely gonna be dogshit

[exotic forum]

We got leaks of it a while ago

[simple dock]

like 5% atk up

[exotic forum]

Same % as our dmg reduction cube

[simple dock]

number could change, so we wont know till then

[simple vine]

Rate my Cinder stat

[fringe kettle]

10/12

[exotic forum]

cindy finally done

101.23% Ele, 41.61% Atk, 137.86% Ammo, 6.39% Cr

[stoic storm]

Over 100 Ele woah

[exotic forum]

as for rocks used...

been running kraken (lvl 6) , I never save up rocks

so it's my entire rock income from like a day before cindy banner to now

idk what the math is on that

[molten oak]

80-100 rocks

You were lucky

And your Cindy is ready to clear stage 9 anomaly

[acoustic field]

Roll the L2 pls

the not obtained one

get any crit or ammo

my OCD

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

jk

[exotic forum]

I wanna do it, but I don't think I'm that insane yet

[unique turret]

Looking for suggestions on what things to prioritize next
I guess either soft locking 4th piece to get line2
Or double locking 3rd piece to get better atk since it’s only phase2?

[molten oak]

After reroll bro came here and decide to flex

[unique turret]

~~only 1 black line, still much reroll ahead ~~

[oak cargo]

She is done

Further optimization only when u deem necessary to lowball MC/CC bosses in story or missing few damage on AI

I would go with last piece roll 2 rocks to fish extra line or higer atk at different or same slot

[simple dock]

i blame Momo for this trend

fucking get blue/black lines and come asking for rolling advice

[oak cargo]

i mean we are in the crack stonk economy now, these are pretty common, but getting super optimal is not guided anywhere yet

the decision making among 4 pieces if one piece changes

the crack is not unlimited but if u really want to push it now you have the power to do so

cant really word it but i say its like playing poker

u can get lucky but u also need to read people face

i do have piece very similar like this on Asuka few days ago and i stil roll for 2nd line into 1st line fishing ammo/atk

i kinda dont want to risk 30 customs and 3 rocks for 50%

now i want it to cost only 2 rocks 0 customs for "potentially" higher atk somewhere and maybe extra ammo

this case i would also go for 2 rocks route

also always

this was how it turns out (by no mean its economically good based on probability calculation somewhere which i dont really rely on much)

my objective here is to just look for higher atk into blue black zone (2 rock each) then stop

i dont reroll further like this on unit like cinderella since i know she has enough to fullfill her role and objective already but i need to do this on Asuka since she needs to fullfill another goal

tldr: just have a goal, if u deem it necessary, go for it, but dont go blind

[exotic forum]

someone check for me if p1 cindy still target skips in pvp

just send vid of p1 cindy, either your own or enemy

[stoic storm]

p1?

oh position

[simple dock]

does anyone know cindy's damage ratio of auto to burst?

[modest nest]

roughly 50 - 50

[oak cargo]

Very good, very niche Cindy timing into Elites in story mode. This is prolly the best use case for cindy in stages.
#956169657939820625 message
this is a single Liter-Crown-Cindy (efficient rotation that dont use RH) nuke into 3 bronchus. 3 Bronchus drop we know we gotta take them down asap, We need big juicy nuke to take them down asap and Cindy has big juicy nuke which distributed into 3 of important targets.
The vid in the link also show some b3 cancel to prep nuke (Liter-Crown-cancel Into Liter->Crown->cindy into 3 bronchus).
Kinda flops at the end but Overall kinda showcase lots of good techs (its technically a clear if Liter-Crown-RH last)
note: some weak "wall ish" stage in chapter 21

[modest nest]

can't copy into 649F

[oak cargo]

kinda yes if u kill the mobs that spawn before the 3 dudes

rh- kill them - crown-cindy

[toxic wren]

I
I already show this

[oak cargo]

yes

but this one has lots of juice in it

[toxic wren]

Mine would be same if I was higher deficit

[oak cargo]

yea i rmb yours is like

few second

this is an entire run

[toxic wren]

No

[oak cargo]

yes

[toxic wren]

That stage took 1:30

Full time

[oak cargo]

u showed me

few second

[toxic wren]

Bruh

[oak cargo]

"i watched for few seconds"

[toxic wren]

https://youtu.be/m3bIjNd2eGg?si=M1vWSlkQAeidx-HV

[oak cargo]

oh hell yeah same

i watched it properly now oppsiepussie

[toxic wren]

Wtf it's the same stage

Just diff chapter

[oak cargo]

yes its the same

[oak cargo]

ay cmon man

at that point

i might have

biased against you

yall know thing we do

[toxic wren]

But yeah I said this before, retro found it too

Cindy is the BEST unit for this stage

Well there's another stage Cindy is good for too

I don't remember which one

[shrewd bloom]

This also happened on my video

Clearing 24-34

She also helped with the annoying farter stages of CH27

Her burst also focuses the brust deniers, which made this stage surprisingly easier once I figured that out

[modest nest]

isn't it random?

[shrewd bloom]

Maybe I was lucky those 3 times then

[molten oak]

Smh luck exists

[toxic wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076238531371991181/1315370796524503051/2024-12-08_18-32-54.mp4?ex=67572a04&is=6755d884&hm=49e72c6f36555f9ffdc83fb0cf16930717a420f232772aa5d4f25044aa5e44c4&

[exotic forum]

[stoic storm]

Am I right in seeing Elemental as Cindy's #1 OL line? ATK seems extremely diluted considering the HP conversion exists. Gonna do stuff like raise her from 300% ATK to 310% ATK.

[tired sequoia]

ELE lines make Cindy monstrous. All the major late game walls—Crystal, MIrror, etc—seem to be Cindy ELE investment checks at this current juncture.

[elder pier]

ele is #1 OL for every dmg dealer lol

[toxic wren]

Def is #1

[tired sequoia]

Nooo, I just fumble 31H CC hard at last minute to due to finger fatigue

19 health bars left

[stoic storm]

I guess more bluntly,

Ele >>>>>>>>>> ATK

On my napkin math, the difference between the two seems absurd.

Whilst for other DPS the two can be closer

[tired sequoia]

That seems to be the agreed upon consensus

I asked a similar question at one point and was told the same thing by way more knowledgeable players than me

[modest nest]

hm it does help

of course on water enemy, ele >>>>>

but in general, a 40% ATK can boost your dmg by 25%.
For Cindy, we are talking about 4 ~ 5b raw dmg, which means 1b ~ 1.25b diff

that's a lot

% can be misleading without absolute number

20% stat diff from max core to base in exchange for 2000 - 3000$? Lame
20% stat diff converted into 1.25b more dmg? That shit crazed

[crude oasis]

Eh, it’s basically simplified to Ele (when used) > Atk > Ammo > Crits

And you can leave off of Ammo after you’re satisfied with it

Impact wise I’m pretty sure Ele is extremely noticeable when it’s used

Then ATK varies but it should be also noticeable because you need to beat enemy DEF to do any damage. The bigger the ATK vs DEF gap in your favor, the better. You can think of it as Ele multiplies the dmg left behind by the ATK vs DEF comparison

Just stick to this even if they have a HP conversion gimmick

[shrewd bloom]

Cindy made CH27 and CH28 hard a joke

[molten oak]

yeah I heard that

she makes also overclock ratio 50 a meme

I saw people doing ratio 50 at 341+ synchro

[shrewd bloom]

I might do it too if I remember doing it during this week

I cannot be bothered honestly. Even more considering it resets

[molten oak]

I did it mine in 9-10 mins

[shrewd bloom]

You farmed for buffs?

[molten oak]

Yeah but I did it the last week

Don't need those self heal buffs

Well maybe you need cuz low synchro

[flat musk]

it gets even better with Maiden

[molten oak]

Yeah

I forgot to burst in 2 stages and they killed the mini boss

[flat musk]

[molten oak]

Yeah imo SU cooked enough electric units for this year

And even 2025

[flat musk]

imagine what they could do with Water

[molten oak]

Starting pulling a Sniper or RL meta dps there

[dusty shuttle]

With my limited rocks, what's the best target to try and find Max Ammo?

[wispy coral]

head, arms, and legs are all kind of cooked

just reroll

[shrewd bloom]

Yeah. Just the chest is good, full reroll all 3 others

[dusty shuttle]

I have no more rocks. If this is my first max ammo, do I take it?

[shrewd bloom]

Hmm honestly I feel like it isn't worth it, mostly because the ammo didn't even move to a 2nd or 3rd line

[dusty shuttle]

it doesn't matter if it's third line or not

I can't reroll it any more

the question is whether the first max ammo is better than a third ele

@toxic wren ?

[wheat vault]

third ele is better

[acoustic field]

Meh shud have locked ELE or sumthin

[wispy coral]

it matters in the long run
keep the ELE for now

[dusty shuttle]

...locked 1st line ele?

[oak cargo]

Keep ele, after raid reroll 1 rock for multiple lines, dont lock it

[dusty shuttle]

is a perfect def on cinderella worth it at all?

[modest nest]

not much value

[oak cargo]

Too expensive to keep no value just toss away

[crude oasis]

DEF is in waiting room for a character to come with a kit that deals damage based on Final DEF

Cinderella doesn’t have it

[wind cloak]

Oh god, this is going to be a little difficult, I was hoping to get ele or ammo on the 2nd slot

So now, I have 2 black ammo slots

[molten oak]

Imo reroll

[heavy scaffold]

what's the odds that I failed 50% chance of getting 2nd line 8 times in a row?

[fringe kettle]

0.4%

[heavy scaffold]

fuck this shit

[fringe kettle]

1/256

[crude oasis]

At least it's not fail to get a Pilgrim within 100 pulls, 8 times in a row

[acoustic field]

Only in line 1 tbh

Or comes packaged with 1-2 other good lines

Why line 1? Obviously cus its safest to wash

[livid barn]

so overall can cindy fit on all teams like rh?

[molten oak]

No

[livid barn]

sadge

[toxic wren]

rh is kinda unique, she can do everything

burst gen, dps, buffing

cindy is moreso a dps only

[molten oak]

Rh can do DMG even with a weak team and poor buffers

[livid barn]

ohhhh okay thankss guys

[wind cloak]

I forgot to take a screenshot before this, but the 1st slot was crit rate

[molten oak]

[elder pier]

[molten oak]

Cinderella sheningans are back

[agile crystal]

Guys

Is Cinderella mid?

time to necro some posts

[molten oak]

She's mid in high deficit campaign

[shrewd bloom]

[molten oak]

[modest nest]

fact

[wind cloak]

I'm still working on improving her slot percentages, since I am still stuck in CC fight at hard ch 31

[molten oak]

She against bosses even in high deficit is strong

[deft obsidian]

She's mid in 2027

[molten oak]

Kit in 2026 be like 200+ atk% in stage3 and after burst

[acoustic field]

yes

[wind cloak]

This is what I currently have on Cindy

[shrewd bloom]

Full reroll that first piece until you get atk or ele on lines 2-3

You don't need that much max ammo

[wind cloak]

Based on these ammo slots, she has 78 rounds

My slight problem that I keep thinking about, is if I were to lock and reroll the 3rd piece, to hopefully get ele or ammo on the 2nd slot

[oak cargo]

U are going to lock both 3rd and 2nd and cope for ele line 1

[shrewd bloom]

Getting that Rouge dupe was worth it.

[dusty shuttle]

the first piece of gear to upgrade on cinder is chest or helm?

[fluid bone]

chest gives most power for defender

[dusty shuttle]

but does it increase Cinder's damage the most?

[wispy coral]

helm gives highest ATK
chest gives highest HP and some ATK

you tell me

[dusty shuttle]

cinder damage scales off both attack and health, so it's a math problem that I don't currently have the capacity to do

[shrewd bloom]

LETSFUCKINGOOOOOOOOOOOO

[wispy coral]

ggs

[acoustic field]

Insane bug

But maybe all sequentials have 0.3× bonus

Check ssakura

[modest nest]

SSakura doesn't have this bug

her burst doesn't have Full Burst, Range Bonus

even her DoT on burst only has Full Burst bonus

[elder pier]

Did you account for stack count affecting the dmg?

Like the actual dmg%

[modest nest]

x12 stacks are already converted into hp

[elder pier]

No i mean mirror stack count

[modest nest]

I only check 1 instance of dmg

[elder pier]

It dont do that

[modest nest]

[elder pier]

It increases dmg per hit

Not # of hits

[modest nest]

doesn't look like it no?

12 x 1762100

[elder pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542559567465414666/1334576225066160220/VideoCapture_20250130-122801.jpg?ex=679d0877&is=679bb6f7&hm=a5476213225a68ad8f1ac4f921074442b91dc9534b4240141f10b0b263f9d256&

[modest nest]

heh strange

what affected my dmg then

[elder pier]

Who in ur team?

[acoustic field]

Sir

You fought with ELE advantage

Are u sure it didnt trip you?

[modest nest]

didn't know Cindy > Fire

[acoustic field]

That looks like blue water

[acoustic field]

Oh thats a red core not a bullet

[elder pier]

Idk show your math here then

[modest nest]

eh wait

that's 176k lol

wait dang

so her burst is actually 28.9%x12 as one instance then x10?

[elder pier]

Yea

Just record and count

[modest nest]

ah nvm my formula is correct, I tripped

was right before, then I confuse myself

[wind cloak]

Black ele slot on 1st reroll %

[molten oak]

[reef quarry]

I just want to know for people who still has the black snake boss on hard available.
Can Cinderella no longer kill the heads when they show up like in the "fixed" solo raid version or can she still can. I hate shitup for removing the 1 sec vurenability period on the clone heads just to shill bready / distributed damage on this solo raid.

[coral flume]

the didnt remove the 1s invuln

its purely a defense stat change

so if ur atk is bad then u do 0 dmg

def difference

[fluid bone]

I can tell you right now you're likely not killing any of the heads in hard mode

shit was tanky as hell

[coral flume]

probably, our atk is abysmal in hardmode deficit

but removing vuln time would mean we cant kill it even with high atk

[reef quarry]

im already done with it with cinderella before the patch dropped, im worried for other players and other stages like towers and union raids with the updated solo raid snake might be affecting other modes as well

[gloomy quartz]

Skip

[zenith jewel]

I'm a cinderellaphile

[acoustic field]

What does that mean

[zenith jewel]

I like Cinderella

[pallid magnet]

how good is hp cube on cinderella

[crude oasis]

I don't remember the interactions. You're looking at:

S1 passive excerpt:
■ Activates when entering Burst Skill Stage 3. Affects self.
ATK ▲ 2.71% of caster's final Max HP for 10 sec.

S2 passive excerpt:
■ Activates when decoy exists. Affects self every 3 sec.
Beautiful: Max HP ▲ 1.6% continuously, stacks up to 12 time(s).
(Full stacks is +19.2% Max HP)

Meanwhile, the Vigor cube (aka HP cube):
+9.69% Max HP

If cube doesn't get boosted by S2 passive, then it's ATK up 2.71% of 9.69% cube's Max HP

That's 0.00262599. Or, 0.263% ATK up

Translation and conclusion: "Equipping Vigor Cube for the Max HP effect is like giving Cinderella a cube that would've said, "Adds 0.263% ATK - not even a whole 1 percent, or not even half a single percent"

The cube's raw stats and other bonuses are the more desirable reasons, and Bastion to give her more ammo with.

[pallid magnet]

thank you for the answer

[echo topaz]

shortstack cinderella