#[Cinderella] New Unit Megathread

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elder pier
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Oh ok

deft obsidian
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Are you sync 400 or higher?

sand trellis
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yeah

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I'm 427

deft obsidian
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kk

exotic forum
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is cindy used in every regular mob stage in campaign if electric weak

sand trellis
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my cindy for ref

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deft obsidian
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She may need more ATK rolls, or it may not be possible

sand trellis
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I'm gonna give it another go and only use cindy to ensure that it's only her hitting

deft obsidian
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Sadly additional damage procs don't work for the slippers

sand trellis
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team for ref

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deft obsidian
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Has to be the initial hit

exotic forum
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another thing for me to consider is

sand trellis
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wait wait

exotic forum
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rn I'm going for 3 ele 4 atk 1 ammo, shouldn't be that expensive, if I wanna attempt for 4 ele, I gotta shell out more rocks

sand trellis
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I just saw a mirror come out on its own, and it only took one shot and fell over

exotic forum
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kinda fcked by this piece

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sand trellis
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it was unmarked but it died instantly

exotic forum
sand trellis
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is that the mirror I need to be hitting?

deft obsidian
exotic forum
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if I go with 3 ele then I just need to reroll value on that ammo

sand trellis
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yea

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phase 1

deft obsidian
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Oh, those are fragile

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All they do is shoot

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It's the phase 2 ones that are the issue

exotic forum
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if 4 ele I need to complete reroll it, and get triple line or at least ele + ammo for 4 ele 3 atk

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with crown and maybe a bit of covering you just facetank the phase 1s

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if anything shooting them down I think speeds up phase 2, so you get less dmg overall since no def buff in phase 1

toxic wren
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Why is this thread still active

sand trellis
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I tapped it, it shrieked and closed back up

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toxic wren
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Kill it

deft obsidian
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I broke it

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It was during Cindy's burst tho. We'll see how the next one goes

exotic forum
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forgsip honestly just use ein

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way easier

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and can do it off-burst

deft obsidian
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Ein needs to be very strong to break off-burst

exotic forum
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maybe in higher lvls, but in like lvl 5/6 she can break it off-burst easily

oak cargo
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This is AI

exotic forum
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yeah ik

oak cargo
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Ez ein tap off burst

exotic forum
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my ein has like about 50% ele

deft obsidian
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My 92% Ein needs a full charge to break off burst

sand trellis
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so I hit it with a cindy hit, and it shrieks and then closes it

exotic forum
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only sync 330s

sand trellis
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is that breaking?

exotic forum
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big shatter sound and the slipper instantly disappears if it breaks

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if it closes you failed

sand trellis
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yeah that's what's happening

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oh

deft obsidian
sand trellis
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so the blue shit goes away too

deft obsidian
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Check the top of the screen

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If there are four shield buffs, you've failed

sand trellis
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I see i see

oak cargo
sand trellis
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so I broke "one"

exotic forum
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although I swear the hitboxes on the slippers are wonky

sand trellis
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basically it needs a full charge burst hit to pop one

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and if I break all 4 the shield goes down?

deft obsidian
exotic forum
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when using ein or rh (burst) I feel like I gotta aim closer to the tip of the slippers

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or else the slippers take no dmg and it still counts as a hit

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probably hitting the fat body hitbox or something

sand trellis
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gonna try MW burst

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that's a fat shot

deft obsidian
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But yeah, Cindy can break them

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Good to know

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Maxwell burst can only be used for one of the four yabai

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Maybe two depending on timing

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But yeah, I just use Ein because I can delul

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She's my strongest electric unit aside from having garbage ATK rolls

potent sapphire
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also better cover your whole team while breaking this shit

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cause they tend to ruin it

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you can dmg it only once

sand trellis
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maxwell works pretty well

exotic forum
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ein's true dmg helps a lot as well I think

sand trellis
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just for proof of concept

deft obsidian
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Yeah, Ein was literally built for MC

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Same for S Sakura working very well for Kraken

exotic forum
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if your ein can't 1 tap, maybe it's this

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sand trellis
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cindy works great on auto now and you can cover her or hold her burst to do double (maxwell)

exotic forum
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normally I let my ein auto bc I manual rh

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so my ein always gets that bonus when I switch to her for slipper

deft obsidian
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My Ein doesn't struggle with full charges kek

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It's quick shots that don't work outside of burst

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During burst I don't need to charge

exotic forum
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ofc quick shots won't work

deft obsidian
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Meanwhile RH doesn't care in the slightest

exotic forum
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I full charge ein outside of burst

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my rh is super buggy, cannot continuously fire without triggering the slipper bug

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need to cover her as well

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then do a shot when it's open

deft obsidian
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I've never tried her for AI MC tho

exotic forum
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when I had to farm MC back in the day, it takes an avg of 2-3 resets a day

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bc of how many times the bug happens

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so annoying

echo topaz
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pew pew

wind cloak
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I got a much better reroll for cindy. This is my 2nd ele slot

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gloomy quartz
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cindy hits you say?

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happened again kekw

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damn

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it's your own story bruh hit ffs!

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ayooo damn she managed to hit by mistake good for you girl

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exotic forum
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anyone know how much dmg gain a dps usually gets when going from SR10 to SR15 doll

oak cargo
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from sr5 to sr15 here

exotic forum
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how much is it for alice

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do you have the SR5 to SR15 maths for alice and/or sbs

lavish bridge
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no but i can make one later

exotic forum
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do ping me if you do nyaThankful

shrewd bloom
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Cindy now has 4 either atk or ele 3rd liners birbmustangfabulousspin

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Now I need to mald to the first 2 lines

oak cargo
ripe abyss
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The music and that ending....absolute cinema.

crude oasis
oak cargo
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tower kraken

crude oasis
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Ohh. It was a water Kraken

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RIP QTEs

modest nest
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I thought you had to know it when fighting C.C?

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the elemental QTE in phase 1 and phase 2

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Cindy required different angle to hit them lol

oak cargo
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ayoo got skill issue check real quick

modest nest
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move your aim around to find the angle

oak cargo
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Okayyy

tired elm
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raid open

toxic wren
tired elm
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ye

ripe abyss
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Cinderella has drained me damn near dry. Thx Shift Up

spiral depot
oak cargo
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this kraken qte driving me insane

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i thought i got free win with cindy

crude oasis
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Cindy is too beautiful for mechanics

oak cargo
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i found out how to clear it

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when the duty calls scarlet answers

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Grave Cameo

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heavy scaffold
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whoā€™s sepulcre

deft obsidian
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Cendrillon?

oak cargo
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idk what she saying but i want to pre-order

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heavy scaffold
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sheā€™s saying something about aussie kekw

deft obsidian
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coo coo

molten oak
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I read Yuni

deft obsidian
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Secretly Yuni is French and she was saying "coup coup"

molten oak
oak cargo
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im sorry whats the setting to blurry off in french?

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im lost

deft obsidian
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Why are you playing in French? kek

oak cargo
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the language looks fking elegant and look at her

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she speaks french

deft obsidian
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lol

molten oak
deft obsidian
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French hurts me because it looks like ugly Latin delul

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Can only read parts of it delupanik2

molten oak
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XD

deft obsidian
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Were there finalized numbers on how worthwhile S2 from 7 to 10 is?

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I see that pins recommend 10/10/10 for final thonk

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Last I saw her S2 seemed about as worthwhile to 10 as X Lud's kek

exotic forum
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but still gain

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prob have to calc it for your own situation

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iirc for me it's like 1% gain or less

deft obsidian
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Guess I'll wait until how my initial SR score goes

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I'll upgrade past 7 if I need a boost

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Otherwise I'd really like to get back to reinforcing PvP units

maiden thicket
pseudo garnet
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is there any more of cindy bug that haven't been taken care of?

oak cargo
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I need to throw away ammo on sanis tmr then back to add atk on cindy

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Mc considered in the bagā„¢ļø

molten oak
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10/10/10 is wild

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10/7/10 hmmmOk

molten oak
oak cargo
molten oak
maiden thicket
oak cargo
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Je me souviens

twin hornet
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Whats rogues skill prio if using with cindy

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10/7/7 fine?

oak cargo
# twin hornet 10/7/7 fine?

s1 can be at 7 and u adjust it up if u see u need more cdr at some point, the other just up if u need bit of damage to finish off sth

twin hornet
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oki

maiden thicket
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Not English

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Ban him

exotic forum
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yup cindy's good enough for them

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no more fixes (except maybe decoy fix they said will be coming later iirc)

toxic wren
plucky rampart
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The one where its redirect damage to ally in pos 3 and pos 5

exotic forum
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they never said they fixed it with the latest cindy fix iirc

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so it's prob coming at some point

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ig low prio since it doesn't really affect SR much

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since with rouge, cindy is on front row so no issue

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just hoping it also fixes her target skip issue in pvp

gloomy quartz
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I guess the only reason behemoth is so big that cindy canā€™t miss a hit

molten oak
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well electric weak bosses are big and coreless

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Or they have hidden core like train

gloomy quartz
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Iā€™m too lazy to reset cindy so I can tune her s2 down from 10 to 7

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fuck it

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Itā€™s not like I invest in other units anyways

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Iā€™ll just hoard mats till ny pilgrim

fallen quartz
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As long as they don't stop fixing, i'm glad

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who know if future bosses make her bug worst...

molten oak
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ngl Cindy is the massive DMG on electric element who we needed

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Ein+sanis is good but not enough

heavy scaffold
fallen quartz
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Rogue is better than Liter, but like my rogue is 1* while liter is core 7

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so when I use rogue, it cut a lot of power.

molten oak
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My rouge is 7/7/7 xD

tight prism
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i'm slowly trying to build her and cindy

maiden thicket
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Cindy skin is fat than I expect

molten oak
green verge
elder pier
deft obsidian
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(credit to finding goes to two members of my union)

elder pier
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Oh lol

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Thanks

weary cedar
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Second one is better tho

deft obsidian
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idk if anything else changes cuz I don't look that closely

weary cedar
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I wanna see those naked royal fairytale beautiful labia

deft obsidian
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The second is the new one

green verge
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Oh, i thought they were going to change cinderella's base twintail standing pose

elder pier
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The right one makes sense they said they want tom match with shooting pose

green verge
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because they look so off compared to the shooting pose

deft obsidian
green verge
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yea just realized lol

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i forgot she has one

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These parts look weird, especially in animation

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Her hair backside view

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molten oak
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Idk which part is

heavy scaffold
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to match shooting motion

molten oak
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Oh

heavy scaffold
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also they changed sbs skin shooting motion

wheat vault
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my acoustic sbs was special

molten oak
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XD

heavy scaffold
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no more dancing sbs

molten oak
toxic wren
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Omg rezagard isn't red anymo

copper ether
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got good rolls on my cindy

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fallen quartz
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nice rolls though

gloomy quartz
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Yes. Cindy not hitting isnā€™t a bug. Tiny sliver of her panties showing is

rain path
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She is nuke

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brave socket
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im doing mlb at least after dfoing hard story

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if I have more than 600 tickets after all pulls are done ill spend tickets until I have between 600 and 799

crude oasis
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Frequency will be low though. Next year is maybe Water KEKS

elder pier
toxic wren
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Only water is ultra shit atm

molten oak
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Eunhwa water sniper pierce trust me

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She'll save Elysion and water

gloomy quartz
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Alt Emma and eunwha look so good Iā€™ll actually spend mileage

wind cloak
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I got the atk slot on my 1st reroll!

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heavy scaffold
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charge dmg is now trash OL?

slate apex
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pretty much yea

oak cargo
potent sapphire
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charge dmg gone

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piece fixed

north marsh
# oak cargo

The best is when you get all the same lines but worse PomieRofl

north marsh
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something like that

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First, it's just a theoretical I just made it all up

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Second, alice is the best non-pilgrim in the game, but far from the best unit overall.

oak cargo
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cute

north marsh
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Honestly I wouldn't even mind if not all elements were equal at DPS, as long as they all bring something valid to the table

molten oak
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Alice creep when?

north marsh
molten oak
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nah is ok

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I want more flexibility for sbs

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Synergy wind fire is weird

north marsh
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so what's the meta Cindy team

molten oak
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She+her slaves

cedar hull
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btw is crit dmg op with cindy?

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it has been so long ive seen crit dmg to be recommended

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XD

oak cargo
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MC chap32, the first 2 dudes attempted today just ditch rouge for liter, she aint going anywhere even on cindy best comps MutsukiCurse

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molten oak
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Bro's learning french

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Aldarn said no

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But yeah those 2

ripe abyss
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C4 Cindy, one Grave copy, 108 gems and 366 mileage left. Not gonna lie, tempted to try for a max Cindy

oak cargo
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No

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Its for the double qte

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when u lowball and your Ein doesnt have good atk line

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she cant destroy those 2

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the Cover breaks really fast especially Sanis

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but its not a problem that requires liter

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those 2 definitely has low atk stat on ein

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and they used liter to buff over that faulty

dusky niche
# oak cargo

do you have enough max ammo already?
I'd lock 2nd + 3rd Doro

oak cargo
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i have like 4 bro verysadge

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i would reroll this away and get atk and maybe crit

exotic forum
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forgsip this piece gonna be expensive

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I'm thinking perm lock the max ammo, and temp lock the atk, might decide to reroll % the atk alongside future line 1 ele, plus it would also save 1 gem per reroll if I leave it unlocked in the future

simple dock
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any other piece to fix beside this ?

exotic forum
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but if I can get this piece right, the other pieces just need ele and atk

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2 of them already got line 2 or 3 of one of them, just need to hunt for line 1

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I got another piece with line 1 blue atk and line 3 ammo

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probably need to full reroll it to get atk or ele on line 2 or 3

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unless I wanna gamble on an expensive locked reroll for line 2 or 3 ele

gloomy quartz
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I donā€™t know how I wound up with so many crit rates RougeStare

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Which part should I focus on fixing

primal inlet
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would u lock attack/ele second lines?

molten oak
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Or more simply their rouge is not well invested (cuz she's expensive af) and liter is the best second choice

maiden thicket
muted folio
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Is this still relevant?

toxic wren
muted folio
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sounds like I'd have to pull

molten oak
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Imagine skipping big electric powercreep

stone urchin
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Cindy pepega aim is helpful sometimes

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she automaticaally destroy the bullet of the boss

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no need to aim there

gloomy quartz
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Just hope all bosses are yuge like behemoth

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Canā€™t miss

wheat vault
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when are they adding tiny ass boss for the next mg pilgrim

modest nest
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it doesn't miss like that

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should have said: When they create part that are blocked by body

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good luck breaking it with curvy shots

heavy scaffold
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she missed af at close range of landeater core deadge

molten oak
gloomy quartz
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Ara ara~

stone urchin
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Is vigor cube good for cindy

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which cube to use

toxic wren
heavy scaffold
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cinder needs 4 ammos?

pliant plover
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lol no

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1 is enough

stoic raptor
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Vigor can be best cube if it's the same lvl or higher which not many haves

deft obsidian
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Around 50 ammo was actually perfect for co-op kek

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Using Liter, I pretty much always reloaded in-between bursts

oak cargo
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8 rocks for 2 more atk lines Doro

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exotic turret
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anyone know how much ammo% u need for no reload

remote thunder
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200%

crude oasis
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Infinite noreload is possible? TOMstare

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200%... doable

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But why?

wind cloak
ripe abyss
wind cloak
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Oh lord, that's a bit of copium that the defense is in the 3rd slot RapunzelWTF

molten oak
ripe abyss
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Poor Cindy will be stuck with that DEF for quite awhile. So many units, not many rocks. It do be that way

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Good for CP at least Copium

frail crow
# ripe abyss >.>

Yall be showing bad rolls and theres me who cant move from 1/4 ol equips to 2/4 in 2 weeks in a row

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It feels like playing a nerfed cindydeadge

simple dock
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Is there a thread for the next way to build Cindy?

subtle oxide
tight prism
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prydwen ranking modernia and asuka higher then cinderella for campaign makes me sad šŸ˜¦

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was building her for campaign pushing to

modest nest
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build her yourself and test

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you can still reset her, not the rock though

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do it a few more times till you are broken then start believing Prydwen then

deft obsidian
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Need to build her for raids anyway akkoShrug

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She's not getting powercreeped out of electric for a long time

fallen quartz
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in campaign, you can still use her

toxic wren
fallen quartz
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Modernia has fixed targets, meaning her dps can't be diluted.

tight prism
wind cloak
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Same chest piece again, and I got a black slot for ammo

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trail vigil
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i keep chasing an ele line

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but crit rate keeps mocking me

shrewd bloom
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4x ele achieved MustangFabulous

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subtle oxide
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I have shit lines so far. 1x Ammo is the only good thing I have.

heavy scaffold
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do I delete ammo if I got already 2 lines?

oak cargo
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I did

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I got 4 ammo now down to 2 cuz would be too expensive

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Both ammo 3rd line together with ele 2nd

shrewd bloom
heavy scaffold
wind cloak
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I checked my my ammo for cindy, and she now has 69 rounds

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Since she has 3 ammo slots

stone urchin
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Cindy campain is very good

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I dont understand why them rank her low

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She is basically new drunk scarlet for campaign

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But with a bunch more dmg

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And thenburst doesnt have delay

oak cargo
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it depends on the mobs number

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she overkills

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no follow up like scarlet (gun damage)

exotic forum
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Wdym no delay, Cindy burst is much more delayed than scarlet

fallen quartz
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^

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the dmg only deal when most of beams already covering screen, it fast but still slower than Scarlet's slash

wheat vault
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idk how cp penalty works in detail

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but I assume she gets hit double whammy with both hp and atk nerfed

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from penalty

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most dps units only get hit by the atk deficit

fallen quartz
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Yes, the 4th line!!

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My Cinders have no atk line lmaocry

oak cargo
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u definitely want the atk line thinkies

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for MC

oak cargo
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this is the use case i think to nuke with Cindy in campaign stage, I'm trying to deliver all her burst with the boss only (happen that this stage the boss appear first). I didnt switch to cindy to see the nuke damage thought, but the raptures coming after dont take any damage

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123 => 75 ish bar on boss

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and finish off with normal attack

elder pier
stoic storm
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There is a slight difference

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Most DPS who are good in campaign have a self ATK buff.

This counteracts the CP debuff. E.g. Red Hood gives herself 44% ATK when using B3, and team 48% when B1. These buffs are good because they scale on her base ATK (pre-deficit debuff)

Now Cinderella S1 is a self ATK buff, however crucially unlike Red Hood or similar units, she buffs herself based on her final Max HP. Which means the deficit affects her self buff as well

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Especially if not running Rouge (which for hard mode is likely), you'll find her S1 is more trash than usual. So there definitely is a compounding effect of the CP deficit simply due to Cinderella having a self-buff based on one of her final stats.

toxic wren
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There is no difference, it still remains as a 130%~ atk buff on her reduced atk

stoic storm
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The difference is how it plays with E.g. Liter

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Or RH

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Or other ATK buffs

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Let's use meta favourite Alice as an example

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Her burst she gives herself 55.12% ATK buff

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Let's say 50% stat penalty

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Alice has 100+55.12-50=105% ATK

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In comparison because Cinderella's buff is based off final buffs, calling it a 30% buff for simplicity, it becomes

(100 - 50)*1.3 = 65

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Alice, RH, and other buffs aren't affected by the CP deficit, so are more effective at cancelling it out

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In effect, low CP makes them even better than they normally are, e.g. Alice buff goes from 55% increase to a ~100% increase (raising her ATK from 50% of base to 105%)

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While Cinderella buff is just as hindered by deficit

fallen quartz
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So not only she is ranked SS, she gets slapped by deficit math

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It's easy to understand, take Alice, Asuka, etc as deficit affect their HP and ATK, but their dps only scale with ATK.
While Cinder's dps scale with final max HP, meaning not only her ATK get slap, her HP get slap, that double slaps back to back.

stoic storm
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Just to be clear - dual scaling (HP & ATK) can be fine for deficits.

The issue is that while self-ATK buffs are always base ATK (Alice, Asuka, etc), Cinderella's buff scales on final HP.

Final is a bad word in skill descriptions for CP deficits. Because final is ~50% lower than base.

exotic forum
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Are caster atk buffs from teammates nerfed then

stoic storm
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Yes

exotic forum
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Or is that still off their base atk

stoic storm
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Oh sorry

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Casters ATK is always base

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So it's fine

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It's only if the buff has final that it's nerfed by CP deficit

exotic forum
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Isn't atk DMG and other multiplicative buffs also similarly nerfed, they don't combat cp diff, but scale with the nerfed dmg

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Both those and Cindy should keep their relative value no? While atk% has inflated value due to being unaffected by deficit

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If at no deficit the converted atk is same as base atk, at deficit it's still the same, doubling your current atk

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If it weren't for it being additive with atk% buffs, it would be the same as a 100% atk DMG buff

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This feels like atk% is uniquely advantageous in deficit, rather than Cindy s1 being uniquely disadvantageous

stoic storm
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This is correct - however ATK% being uniquely advantageous is exactly why all the meta DPS for campaign have ATK self buffs (RH, Alice, Asuka, Etc)

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My point is not to confuse Cinderella's S1, which is a self buff to her ATK stat, as equivalent to the meta campaign pusher's self ATK buffs

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If it scaled on base HP it would make her more meta for campaign, but she'd no longer work on with Rouge. Always a trade off.

fallen quartz
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Final calculation, meaning include everything

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while base only include stats in NIKKE's profile

acoustic field
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Just ATK buffers and units have higher values and are more prevalent

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However, CP deficit narrows the gap of HIGHEST DAMAGE - LOWEST DAMAGE.

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So Cindy technically has 110-130% ATK buff by herself, with her ATK stat, however that means she is only 100% base attacker's ATK + 33~52% extra attacker's ATK with POOR scaling on ATK buff and her ATK is gone outside Full Burst.

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What matters is the % not the value

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Just remember that when pushing high deficit

fallen quartz
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I don't want to remember advance math when pushing high deficit, it's already hard enough, and math make is harder DrakeScream

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anyway, use Cinders, can't clear stages, swap out, done.

acoustic field
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A unit with 400% ATK buff is significantly stronger than a unit with 100% ATK with stat penalty.

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A unit with 400% ATK buff is stronger than a unit with 100% ATK without penalty.

fallen quartz
acoustic field
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Cindy has base ATK of 33~52% in Attacker's ATK.

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Which is kinda bad.

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Can be fixed with SAnis.

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But not Rouge (she needs stack).

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Can be fixed with Crown.

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Not ideal to be fixed with Liter (poor scaling but manageable and actually better in most cases).

fallen quartz
#

great...

molten oak
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Rh b1

acoustic field
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RH B1 fixes everyone.

molten oak
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Yeah best B1 in game

fallen quartz
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until you have to wait off-burst

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yikes

acoustic field
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RH B1 fixes Cindy a lot.

stoic storm
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Just do the trusty 2-clear hard mode strat

acoustic field
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I think you can snipe the boss with that.

stoic storm
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then RH has no delay

acoustic field
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Just kill the mobs first.

stoic storm
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what about a B2 AoE like Mari first to clear mobs? kekw

acoustic field
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She is 2Ɨ Electric SW anyways.

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Single target only.

acoustic field
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Best high deficit comp rn is.

stoic storm
#

yeah won't kill in hard mode

acoustic field
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Crown Cindy SAnis/Ein/Scarlet RH Liter/DWife/Rouge.
Crown Cindy Ein/Scarlet RH/Liter SAnis.

stoic storm
#

Liter?

acoustic field
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For Electric weak.

stoic storm
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I thought the tryhard comps all used RH as only B1

acoustic field
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There are 2 Campaign comps:

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  • RH Solo B1 (With Off-Burst Support, i.e. SAnis/Naga/Maxwell/XLud)
  • RH + Other B1 (Liter, DWife, Rapu, Rouge, OG Sakura, etc)
  • Non-RH B1 (Niche)
acoustic field
acoustic field
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Just don't use Naga when using that comp for mobbing.

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No one is hitting core.

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Well, maybe if you need heal.

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Or want to CP pad.

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But in that case, bringing Ein/Scarlet is better.

elder pier
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Atk% buff multiplies the atk stat b4 it is subtracted by the enemy def stat.

stoic storm
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And Cindy falls in the latter, with her "increase ATK based on final HP"

elder pier
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Hol up a sec I had an argument with gatrix about this exact topic at like 4 am a few months ago

stoic storm
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I could be wrong, I'm trying to confirm and all I'm finding are useless deficit & debuff tables and graphs

elder pier
# stoic storm I could be wrong, I'm trying to confirm and all I'm finding are useless deficit ...

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stoic storm
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I see, CP is before all else after all

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The strong scaling is because it gets you away from their DEF values which actually matter at high deficit

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That's why you see +50% ATK boost damage by so much more than 50%

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Could probably be truly confirmed via true damage Ein, but the Korean blog seems to have done pretty extensive testing already

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Also means Cindy isn't "double nerfed", she's same as any other DPS, and her S1 boosting her ATK helps get her away from the enemy's defense baseline.

stoic storm
#

Thanks for clearing that up, so in that case the thing to keep in mind for Cindy is that she has Defender base stats, so wants "Caster's ATK" buffs instead of "ATK buffs".

Level 400 Baseline:
Cindy ATK: 60,212 (+ ~67,309 from S1 to make her baseline, no ally buff stats, actually competitive)
Attacker ATK: 90,318

RH Burst 1: 90,318 x 0.7755 = 70041
Liter Burst 1: 60,212 * 0.66 = 39739

So despite only being 66% vs 78%, the RH buff is 1.76x as good, almost double Liter's. Very notable difference.

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RH's B1 is 1.18x as good for an Attacker B3 for comparison (in terms of DMG bonus, I'm intentionally avoiding the rabbit holes of duration & cooldowns)

tired elm
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does cindy matches sbs (w/ alice) dps on neutral ?

cedar hull
#

XD

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aight. finally first piece that has 3 acceptable lines. after this i just have to reroll the substats till they are all black lines right

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rugged lake
#

Does Cindy really need ammo now?

wind cloak
#

Is this a better reroll?

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rugged lake
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The bug is gone now...

cedar hull
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if there is no bug then she doesnt need anymore more ammo?

tired elm
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nah cindy needs to be corrected

noble cipher
# wind cloak Is this a better reroll?

In the long run, neither are anything to write home about, but considering how none of the lines are worth locking, I'd probably hold onto the first one just to keep the Max Ammo. Cinderella definitely wants ATK OL lines in the long-run, but an extra 12 ammo per magazine will pay off more than 11% bonus ATK as a placeholder when Cinderella gets SO much extra free ATK from her 1st skill (and her base ATK is low anyway)

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If that ATK line was in the 2nd or 3rd line, it might be a different story.

copper ice
wind cloak
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She's good with 1 or 2 ammo slots

wind cloak
noble cipher
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The only line worth anything is the 1st one

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Like, either way, I'd probably reroll both of them in the long run

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But I'd still value 12 extra ammo more highly than 11% ATK and 6% Charge Damage

wind cloak
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Even though in pins, she would simply need 1-2 ammo slots and focus more on ele and atk slots

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And charge dmg being an exception

noble cipher
#

Personally, I'd keep fishing for an Elemental Damage line. I agree that once you have 2 Max Ammo lines, additional Max Ammo is less of a priority. It's still helpful, but not as essential.

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but Elemental Damage is one of the stats that you can basically only get from Cubes and OL lines atm

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and I don't think it'd be worth locking ATK on the first line until you have something worthwhile in the 2nd or 3rd

weary cedar
#

Is Tia, Rouge, Cindy, SAnis, Naga a good team?

elder pier
#

core hit buff is kinda being wasted

reef quarry
#

Just a question, how much damage increase per dupe with her?

exotic forum
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Less than other dps

modest nest
#

marginal gain or gross gain?

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MG = dmg from N+1 dupe / dmg from N dupe
GG = dmg from N+1 dupe / base

copper ice
#

will oling rouge make a drastic difference in cindy's performance

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?

wheat vault
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yes if you get ammo/charge speed

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for better cdr proccing

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while vanilla rouge is good enough, sometimes you can get cucked by things like boss hiding/jumping and mass qte wall

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and afaik rougeā€™s skills buff hp based on caster hp? so more ol more hp

elder pier
#

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reef quarry
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dupes sure isnt worth it, but might be useful incase Ein get more dupes and gets targeted by Mirror Container 32

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just 100M for MLB

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from 0 dupe

exotic forum
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cindy having highest atk in burst is so nice

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ran my cindy team against behe for my first mock, thought it was easy

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tried a different team, and I'm getting melted by MGs kekl

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cindy just neutralizes highest atk moves

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quite nice raid qol

wheat vault
radiant pendant
#

how good is Vigor cube on her?

deft obsidian
#

Vigor I think is actually best cube for DPS ceiling, but it relies on it being same level as your Bastion or higher

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Cuz HP provided < stats + element

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Against neutral enemies, might be best thonk

deft obsidian
#

Curious to test if decoys take Chatterbox hits without applying the debuff. If not, then Chatterbox may be the only ST damage dealer that can kill her KEKL

fallen quartz
#

Another advantage of Vigor is free NIKKE from all focus in using two best cubes, also, any Max HP NIKKE can use Vigor.

exotic forum
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too niche still imo

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save for atk% cube or something

stoic storm
#

One day we'll get a new good DPS cube.

One day......

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toxic wren
#

Imagine not having lvl7 vigor cube Doro

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Just from SR

lime valve
stoic storm
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Skill or Burst Damage cubes are the dream

willow sierra
#

Save for a booba cube

stoic storm
#

You joke but watch us get a support who "+50% ATK to allies with [insert physical appearance trait here]"

deft obsidian
rugged lake
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Is 10/10/10 and SR 15 doll for rouge a good idea for using her with Cindy?

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I assume rouge and Cindy will be tied at the hip

deft obsidian
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SR15 doll probably overkill unless you're buying the extra doll mat bundles and/or extremely lucky with super successes

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We have Xmas units, a NY Pilgrim, and three more treasure units in the next two months

rugged lake
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True

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So I can't even burn skill books on her then

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I have 0 treasures done lol

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I just don't really care for them

deft obsidian
#

10/10/10 much easier if dolphin/whale since buying skill bundles & login variety box covers those combined with overclock

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Devs actually haven't given us much in the way of paid doll mats comparitively

rugged lake
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I'm f2p+skins only lol

deft obsidian
#

Makes sense. Older F2P shouldn't struggle too much with skill mats if active and smart about investment

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I mainly spend so I can waste mats on weird units delutehe

willow sierra
#

I still need mats for fantum and gang

rugged lake
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Treasures are nice, but some are kinda niche. I'm ok with top 10% on raids anyway

deft obsidian
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Exia and Viper are the only raid-present treasures, ye

rugged lake
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Mobile is too much of a gimp vs pc

deft obsidian
#

Truth

simple dock
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even then they're not that worth

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just doll up your main dps instead

deft obsidian
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Exia treasure is worth more than MG dolls heh

rugged lake
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My skill book stash got obliterated by Cindy and grave (both 10/10/10). But my doll mats are ready

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deft obsidian
#

Doll base are considered within Nikke base stat calculations, right?

rugged lake
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Yes

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Which is why rouge should get better buffs for Cindy

deft obsidian
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So S Anis would actually be a big one to SR15

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since that would improve her S1 buffs to Cindy

rugged lake
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She should

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I guess I should upgrade her doll then. It's only SR5

willow sierra
#

Finally my kraken team is all sr15 except alice who to sr15 next

deft obsidian
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Alice yabai

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Why would you not have her SR15

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She benefits more from SR15 than SBS does iirc kek

molten oak
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Alice and Rh are priority imo

willow sierra
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2 pink 4 me

stoic storm
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Me who went all in on fire team drunk on Eva nostalgia aside

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At least they don't die even without a healer in raid kekw

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Seriously though, for raids the defensive bonus from SR Dolls can be even more significant than the damage if it frees up a team slot from being sustain

simple dock
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my Asuka has a SR15 doll lmaocry

molten oak
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Bru

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Mine R 0

simple dock
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she's tanky af

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survive till the end with no heal

molten oak
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Yeah because she has self heal

fluid bone
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she has a heal on burst RougeStare

simple dock
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if my Alice got some more ED i'm basically set for life for Fire weak raids

crude oasis
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The only bad thing about Asuka is she's not hot (insert Fire pun)

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Whole EVA squad literally strait-laced soldiers unless in traditional old-fashioned schoolgirl costumes

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I mention this because of that other screenshot saying revenue wasn't as good as expected because EVA characters weren't attractive to the gamers KEKS

exotic forum
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how much dmg gain is a crit rate roll btw

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idk if I should also lock line 2 shiftyderp

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molten oak
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Critical rate good for critical fish with Cindy

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Yeah you could fish critical in her burst

shrewd bloom
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I cannot get enough of the score going 250M+ everytime she bursts WHEEZE

copper ice
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you lose dmg if decoy destroyed right?

elder pier
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U keep them forever

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U just cant gain more while its dead

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But that doesnt really matter it comes back every fbm

soft river
#

Finally reached Stage 6 Anomaly Interception - Mirror Container with Cinderella.

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noble cipher
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Rouge's 2nd skill buffs units on the left and right sides of her position

soft river
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I did less damage when I did that

noble cipher
#

Hmm. Is Rogue's 2nd skill triggering Crown's heal condition or something?

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Interesting

soft river
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Rouge gives small healing on burst skill to characters with shield coin. It helps maintain crown's S2 which is a bigger dps increase than giving SAnis a small atk damage boost from sword coin.

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I'm running Ein as the others aren't strong enough to break the glass slippers in the later phase. I'll probably readd Naga once I reach a higher level.

dusky niche
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Rouge Burst 'restores' HP
it's not a heal, so it won't activate Crown's S2 LiterSip

elder pier
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max hp buffs dont count as heals

simple dock
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imagine it does

soft river
#

I did a test run on shooting range and you guys are correct. I guess the second run did more crits or something, as I'm not sure why this lineup did more damage compared to the first run otherwise.

fallen quartz
simple dock
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first line though sadge

fiery frigate
#

since cindy doesn't really care about atk% buffs and whatnot, scaling more on base stats/hp, is she the type that really wants LBs, moreso than others?

fallen quartz
fiery frigate
#

a 4% gain in stats from 0lb to mlb?

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yeah as f2p that def doesn't sound worth it lol

fallen quartz
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it worth though, but MLB is not for f2p

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so don't do it

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dolphin MLB, whale core 7

fiery frigate
#

would be nice to mlb even a single pilgrim lol...

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had fuckin 500 rolls saved for this event, burned almost 300 just to get a SINGLE copy of graves/cindy

modest nest
#

huh why 4%

fallen quartz
#

xmas is coming

fiery frigate
#

true

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and I saw what might be the new units... I neeeeeeeed them

fallen quartz
fiery frigate
#

so I just checked the pinned stuff, and saw the pull priority. Why does it say to prefer mileage over pulling? Wouldn't pulling on a pilgrim banner help with the normally abysmal pilgrim rates as a whole?

stoic storm
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200 mileage for a Nikke regardless of type.

2% chance of non-pilgrims when pulling

1% chance of pilgrims

oak cargo
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Cuz alot of people shafted

stoic storm
oak cargo
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Riggggged

toxic wren
fiery frigate
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oh I didn't even realize they change the banner odds

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ya fuuuck that

deft obsidian
#

Yeah, the was a misconception for a long time that other Pilgrims had higher rates during Pilgrims, but they don't

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And rate-up is halved delucry

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Spend gems/vouchers on limited and supermeta normal units, then mileage Pilgrims. The best approach

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Especially since it works out timeline-wise:

  • Build mileage for NY during Chrisgmas
  • Build mileage for X.5 anni during spring collab
  • Build mileage for anni during swimsuits and fall collab
stoic storm
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It's a good thing Cindy & Grave aren't dupe hungry though, two pilgrims at once would be rough otherwise

acoustic field
#

Cindy not dupe hungry when paired with Rouge but

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Without Rouge

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Its another question entirely

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I feel like I wasted mileage on Cindy

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BUT I DIDNT EVEN MILEAGE CROWN

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DUMB AF MOVE

oak cargo
#

si

oak cargo
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Cinderella comp for MC hardmode 32. Sync base 461, CP 1b050+
If not build ExiaT can skip, prep Cindy+Sanis for Chapter 34

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opps didnt see this

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can skip ein if have ExiaT

fallen quartz
stoic storm
fallen quartz
stoic storm
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So in that sense I consider her less dupe hungry

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S.Anis teams as well

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Cindy's base stats are low so all her good teams give buffs which scale based on the buffer's stats instead of Cindy

fallen quartz
#

you don't use Rogue in campaign unless she doesn't drag your team Power down

stoic storm
#

Sure in campaign you run RH B1 right?

Which scales based on RH's stats

fallen quartz
#

most people have Liter/DWife at a high power level, and then RH.

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many times you have to use both, especially against tug-of-war and defense battle.

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and you know in hard stages, these two modes get the most hate...

stoic storm
fallen quartz
#

Liter is easy to hunt for MLB, and she is rate up currently

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MLB/Core 7 B1 just so they don't drag your Power down

stoic storm
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I'm not getting dupes just for CP lol

acoustic field
stoic storm
#

I said Cindy was less dupe hungry because her teams don't see large damage increases from it

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Obviously a whale is gonna C7 everyone used in hard mode for CP

acoustic field
oak cargo
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The one with the best Ed atk between ein and exia

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Cindy sanis core and also a prep for c34

dull osprey
#

Is it worth to replace atk line with ammo?

oak cargo
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No no

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Atk very important when u miss some damage and in mc

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U want to squeeze it

dull osprey
#

I have 0 ammo btw worrytired

oak cargo
acoustic field
acoustic field
#

Nah shall wait for 481

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468 way too mald

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He has cores

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And shits

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Prolly SR 15 dolls

modest nest
#

I can guarantee you with your account you need 521

acoustic field
#

Not even 501

deft obsidian
simple dock
oak cargo
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As long as u can get around 1b050+ cp and like 4ed 2-4atk u are in the clear zone

simple dock
wooden nova
#

Did cindy just get buffed?

oak cargo
wooden nova
#

ight thanks

prisma glade
#

What's an optimal team for Cindy?

deft obsidian
#

Rouge/Crown/S Anis and one of Ein, Exia+, Naga, or Maxwell

stoic storm
#

Is Maxwell even worth bothering with?

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It's what, +50% ATK.... Based off Cindy's tiny base ATK stat?

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S.Anis, Naga, etc all scale off their own stats instead so should be better

exotic forum
#

xlud as flex did better than maxwell as flex for me

#

trashwell

stoic storm
#

yeah same for me

#

Maxwell is great for high base stat Attackers

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but for a defender like Cindy?

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yeah nah

molten oak
#

Yeah Maxwell buff doesn't fix low Cindy atk

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Need atk of caster's atk

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or debuff like xlud/exia

gloomy quartz
#

I just wanna know why they made a unit who canā€™t hit RougeStare

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like literally goes against the basic principles of the shooting mechanics

deft obsidian
#

Scaling on stats means that if Naga just has +0 T9Ms, she's not giving much

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S Anis may need to be on another team depending on what units someone has

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I have union mates who are either Scartletless and/or Einless also without Exia

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Maxwell is definitely the weakest damage ceiling of all options, but, for investment, she's the cheapest; just need a single skill to 10

toxic wren
#

She hits now

gloomy quartz
#

No I mean when I manual her

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I can see her missing

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Most of the time

toxic wren
#

I'm pretty sure she misses rarely now

gloomy quartz
#

hmm ok then itā€™s me being too sus

weary cedar
#

Her projectile confused who to hit first

fluid bone
#

still easily misses close range and if they move even a tiny bit deadge

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won't be fixed unless they fix her actual shooting

acoustic field
#

I troll ran her in campaign.

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She doesn't deal any damage,

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And she doesn't fucking hit anyone.

oak cargo
#

Her boss performance is stable to fixed range its ok

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Who bring her to campaign

acoustic field
#

To be exact campaign mobbing

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She can actually help reach Ultra stage 4 in AI

twin hornet
#

Did the devs intent for you to use cindy for the dot qte and the phase transition qte? Cause she fking sucks for all of them

fluid bone
#

so form over function is what we get with cindy Doro

twin hornet
#

the lasers travel so slow vanish

gloomy quartz
#

Cindy is only for bursting

#

Donā€™t try to shoot with her

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Idk why they couldnā€™t have made her basic attack like the one in the minigame

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instead her basic attack is the arcing lasers that even the minigame says have shit accuracy

simple dock
#

self aware

gloomy quartz
#

Yep. Deliberately made a shit shooter

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idk what the endgame for this is but yeah

modest nest
#

her AA hits hard. It is not built for QTE phase sadly

#

due to the buff to burst, her proportion is now

  • 25% S1
  • 25% AA
  • 50% burst
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25-25 is roughly, it actually leans more on S1 on non core, more on attack on core but whatever

tired elm
#

so cindy a skip then

modest nest
molten oak
#

Only Yanni can skip her but even he pulled one copy

simple dock
#

imagine getting 8b without Cindy this raid

stoic storm
#

Hey some people are getting 13b

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No way Cindy is 5b of that

#

Going forward will be interesting to see if Cindy lives with S.Anis, Rouge, or both for neutral element team

wheat vault
#

both

#

you just dump exia, use a b2 buffer like mari/grave or a healer if the raid is hard

stoic storm
#

Mari/Grave? She isn't pierce is she?

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Kinda ironic that Grave's buffs don't align perfectly with Cinderella, the one person she supports in-story

wheat vault
#

they're like the 2nd-3rd best b2 buffer after crown depending on the boss

oak cargo
#

If u think about it

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Grave help cindy in what she need most in story

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Pierce wave clear

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Dont have to directly buff but to fill whats missing

deft obsidian
#

Just make the B2 the element needed thonk

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S Rosanna for Wind
Rem for Water
S Helm for Iron
Grave (?) for Fire
Crown for Electric

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top 50 bald heads are using cinder grave xlud comp tho

deft obsidian
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Oh, the meta's shifted? deluthonk

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deft obsidian
oak cargo
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High speed comp

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They taking advantage of Grave Lud burst gen

topaz rampart
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dividing the biggest damage source into 2 big one BlancStare

deft obsidian
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Yeah, more Cindy bursts = more damage

oak cargo
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Redhood truly b1 now lol

heavy scaffold
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there is another strat to use rh b3 in p1

deft obsidian
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time to steal and run again tomorrow heh

heavy scaffold
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after that she's b1 podder

topaz rampart
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does QeQ dealt more damage than maxwell on a bunny comp?

modest nest
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because you burst with her

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also QEQ

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last day always brings the best cook

heavy scaffold
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qeq is good even in this raid?

trail vigil
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one day i will have ein

deft obsidian
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Her usage rate is fluctuating kek

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It's now back to where it was pre-reset, but yesterday it was fairly high (for a water dps)

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toxic timber
heavy scaffold
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idk if she's better than asuka

toxic timber
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So if u run mod with Alice SBS, Quency is best dps to pair with Scarlet

heavy scaffold
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I run the same team with that except qeq is asuka

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modest nest
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I don't recall QEQ deal that much dmg

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her peak is around 80% of xlud

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considering xlud can enjoy 12% free dmg

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she should be around 90% of mod with core, and 70% non core?

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can use Max there for more funneling

oak cargo
toxic timber
modest nest
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I mean it's your example

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but mathematically, it doesn't work like that

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but you can pick the highest that's for sure

toxic timber
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How then? If my Quency 20% atk

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Wouldn't the damage more less same

modest nest
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cuz that's how damage's structure work

  • Do both run have the same range bonus?
  • Do both run have the same investment on Mod + QEQ
  • Are those investment optimal or scuffed?
  • Do you play both run properly or heavily biased toward one?

And that's only with isolating testing huhu

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I forget crit RNG, and that one requires around 10 runs to average out the RNG

toxic timber
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Im pretty sure i run most optimal

modest nest
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just like you don't believe Laplace can deal 80% of Red, then I can put a pretty much same investment with slightly ATK on Laplace. She deals roughly 80% of Red. That's Maths.

toxic timber
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I even manual Mod so she won't stop shooting after QTE

modest nest
molten oak
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I mean is ok guys

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But why Laplace was mentioned

heavy scaffold
molten oak
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My Midlet DMG is 200m in bunnies

gloomy quartz
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You two should have a midlet whale off

molten oak
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Wdym he's doing X2,5 my dmg

gloomy quartz
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whale more

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then show him

molten oak
stoic storm
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My fire team rocking core damage buffs to not benefit whatsoever

primal inlet
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which one

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exotic forum
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holy shit

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ok my cindy can be 4 atk 4 ele 2 ammo 1 cr if I want

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ok I might be doing another SR run tomorrow morning

oak cargo
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this mtfk

exotic forum
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at this point

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imma keep this line 2 crit rate

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and suffer the 3 cost reroll to get that line 1 atk

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might as well aim for 4 ele 4 atk 2 ammo 1 cr

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11/12

modest nest
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but it's okay, acc diff

heavy scaffold
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oh yea, my qeq has 3 acc teri_bald

modest nest
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I mean, by posting these pictures, can it help you deal more dmg?

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no it's not right, just pick whatever your account has the best

heavy scaffold
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that's the problem that I never expected qeq to be any good outside of water raid until now

modest nest
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hm maxwell is worse than I expect on this team

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Asuka seems to be the better choice

deft obsidian
modest nest
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she never suffers watchu mean

deft obsidian
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SMGs do

modest nest
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lmao dunno what the hell Laplace did but scar dmg seems inflated, probably due to bomb wiped

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simple dock
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them extra revenge dmg from MGs did wonder

modest nest
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Hero > Therapist

simple dock
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max dmg sucks

modest nest
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high ele Scar?

simple dock
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nope

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23%

modest nest
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hm, mine has 41% but well, she deals lower

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I guess it's depended on Noir buff too

simple dock
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might be something to do with Asuka

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cuz mine has 200% ammo

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she never stop shooting

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the burst gen is so good

modest nest
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170% ammo here

simple dock
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volume has nothing 1/1/1

modest nest
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yeah

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she's no impact at all, how about Noir

simple dock
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noir is 10/5/7 i think

modest nest
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fair

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10/4/5 here

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not much diff

simple dock
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yea

modest nest
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did you tank all the boulders?

simple dock
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i destroy them

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i never tank any boulders, like none at all

deft obsidian
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Only Tiga comp can afford to tank boulders

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Maybe SG comp combined with bunnies

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Otherwise that's fatal