any reason using naga here? she didn't get shield so the 85% of the core damage is not there
#[Mari Makinami Illustrious] New Unit Megathread
alpine bison
open shore
any reason using naga here? she didn't get shield so the 85% of the core damage ...
s2
bonus clip
rain parcel
Bruh
lilac swift
so mari needs to be 101010?
alpine bison
s2
Yes I know, but I mean it's not really a fair comparison when with crown you get 125%, and with Mari you only get 40%
lilac swift
actually this is quite impressive result
alpine bison
but yeah, going Crown-Naga is still better for campaign than Crown-Mari if using RH
open shore
actually this is quite impressive result
meh
gals and bunnies
i mean, rh doesn't need crown kek
open shore
my rh has 47,96% atk
those battle are against water weak, so neutral
lets cope mari asuka and alice
sure alice will lose dmg
alice issues
shut geyser
whats your bay requirement?
fleet quest
whats your bay requirement?
Just a normal looking bay team
Run a 3rl Mari + Nuker team against her without CP deficit and record and show it
Smthng like
Scarlet Mari RedHood Centi Jackal
shut geyser
well you need any investment for bay/mari?
fleet quest
well you need any investment for bay/mari?
Mari at least burst 7
Bay I don't care, 4/4/4?
She just needs to burst
Make sure both teams are equal in burst speed if possible? Both 3rl should be fine
Otherwise if anything, bay should be faster
shut geyser
lemme see if rookie grouping is still the same
open shore
i like mari, i dont like the fact that we are close to anniversary
fleet quest
i like mari, i dont like the fact that we are close to anniversary
2 months from now
It's safe pull
open shore
wdym i mlb her xd
fleet quest
I see xd
open shore
problem like always are books xd
fleet quest
Unless shiftup decided to be a cunt and makes a meta unit in between all 3 units on Collab are safe pulls
rain parcel
If anyone got mari can yall try DKW, Crown, MW, RH, Mari on ultra? Ty
hard vigil
mari plaplapplaplapplaplapplaplapplaplap
rain parcel
Without fulfilling the phase 4 requirement
fleet quest
If anyone got mari can yall try DKW, Crown, MW, RH, Mari on ultra? Ty
Should be better than using s.helm
steady abyss
Unless shiftup decided to be a cunt and makes a meta unit in between all 3 units...
Yea, unless if they jebait us all 
Just like what they did with rezero collab
hard vigil
rezero wants to collab with nikke
nikke wants to collab with evangelion
not the same
whole nymph
imagine collab units being meta
dawn mason
Does mari need her to burst for her to work?
turbid night
rezero wants to collab with nikke
LPB wanted collab with Kadokawa, not specifically rezero
fleet quest
Does mari need her to burst for her to work?
To get the extra 40.99% attack damage, yes
dawn mason
This wouldnt work then
fleet quest
Otherwise she does provide 40.99% pierce damage buff and 50% uptime of 28% atk buff which can be translated as ~14% atk buff which is basically noir atk buff
So she's blanc+noir buff in one unit for everyone without bursting 
just without ammo buffs and healing
dawn mason
Otherwise she does provide 40.99% pierce damage buff and 50% uptime of 28% atk b...
All those buffs without her bursting?
dawn mason
This wouldnt work then
@turbid night so this would work then
open shore
no core no parts better dont use her xd
turbid night
<@104078019219427328> so this would work then
i recommend reading the Asuka thread. I believe Snake mentioned its unwise to pair Asuka with Alice
dawn mason
i recommend reading the Asuka thread. I believe Snake mentioned its unwise to pa...
Sorry, im dumb
turbid night
Plus Mari isn't really great for Asuka overall
dawn mason
so the better partner for alice is? Sbs?
dawn mason
SRosanna would prob be a better choice
well, dont have her
turbid night
Mari just came out, so let them cook a bit. I can see Mari being in RH team but its hard to say. When they start testing we will get better option buildouts
turbid night
they usually start a couple hours after they run tests and try various set ups
i would think Naga would still be better to pair with Crown, no?
dawn mason
i would think Naga would still be better to pair with Crown, no?
Yeahh just wanted to test out
turbid night
Challenge Solo Raid wont be out for 2 days, so you got time.
you can also wait for the initial reviews on Pry and Nikke.gg both good perspectives
craggy agate
Is Mari better than Naga for Asuka?
fleet quest
All those buffs without her bursting?
Yes
fleet quest
Is Mari better than Naga for Asuka?
If you consider Naga in tiga, no
craggy agate
Crown naga
shut geyser
@fleet quest Here ya go, 4/4/4 bay and 7/4/7 mari
fleet quest
Crown naga
For asuka Naga always better cuz 150% atk damage and then crown attack damage
fleet quest
<@390152688605593603> Here ya go, 4/4/4 bay and 7/4/7 mari
Both teams bursted same time right?
shut geyser
yep 3 rl for both
fleet quest
Yeah then you actually need to be slower than the bay team to pull this off 
Failed idea lmfao
Thanks freeze, time to perma bench this hoe into A tier
shut geyser
lmao
fleet quest
I don't realistically see real use
For Mari
It's too hard, she's too needy, just lurking for that one rare 1 in 300 situation is my assumption
I'm talking about pvp ofcourse, not pve
lilac swift
how fast is mari burst gen?
shut geyser
I see some uses for boosting nuker team
turbid night
at least Mari doesnt really need OL outside of I guess CP padding?
shut geyser
Yeah then you actually need to be slower than the bay team to pull this off <:ic...
also don't you mean faster?
turbid night
wish they would give us Final buffs more often. @fleet quest Dolls are same as Gear for Caster attack right?
fleet quest
also don't you mean faster?
Both, technically
2rl Mari scar is kinda strong overall
But dolls, noah, or blanc can reduce effectiveness
dawn mason
Both, technically
2rl Mari scar is kinda strong overall
But dolls, noah, or bla...
Whos noah
fleet quest
Both, technically
2rl Mari scar is kinda strong overall
But dolls, noah, or bla...
Like my idea was to "waste" bay's cover. Kill it so that now scarlet has free damage on opponent team
But bay didn't activate her cover redirect fast enough lol
shut geyser
not sure how going slower would help since bay's cover might still be intact when its the b3 turn to nuke
fleet quest
not sure how going slower would help since bay's cover might still be intact whe...
If you are slower, bay's cover dies from Mari
Mari right now burst too fast and didn't touch bay's cover
Mari's AoE Damage over 5 units all redirected to bay's cover will kill bay cover
But bay needs to burst to activate that redirect
shut geyser
nah, check the video, mari can only chuck away 2/5 of bay's cover hp
hmm or is that mari going first?
fleet quest
hmm or is that mari going first?
Mari didn't hit bay cover
You can see her hitting all units
fleet quest
pls ping on response
Pull 1 copy at least
fleet quest
Pull 1 copy at least
shut geyser
ye you right
strong kelp
Pull 1 copy at least
ty sir
hard vigil
tender spindle
180 pulls no Mari 💀 I’ll try another day or ticket
open shore
open rapids
180 pulls no Mari 💀 I’ll try another day or ticket
140 for me 😭😭😭
open rapids
Is she worth putting more pulls into?
Have s.rosanna but none of the other support cores
fleet quest
<@390152688605593603> yep 2rl bay team gets fucked
Yeah that is definitely what I was looking for 
I'm kinda at the hook rn for S/A tier
shut geyser
I would go for S, still useful burst
fleet quest
Yeah I guess the nuke really does help
fleet quest
PvP meta
gritty moat
Whats this meta for pvp cs im hearing about again?
shut geyser
its a bug where cs is shared for everyone in the team apparently
open rapids
Does she really do the nuke and then give the buff?
normal swan
steady abyss
Does she really do the nuke and then give the buff?
Yes. It does aoe while buffing your units simultaneously
open rapids
Yes. It does aoe while buffing your units simultaneously
But the AoE doesn't get the buff?
craggy agate
But the AoE doesn't get the buff?
it does get the buff
try to test it on SW s1
just shoot normally and see the numbers
shut geyser
it does get the buff
oh she buffs her own burst?
craggy agate
oh she buffs her own burst?
thats what im trying to imply, but i could be wrong, i just see the order of effects happen with sw s1 to tell
gloomy ivy
eager nexus
welcome to the club, I got 8
lmao
anyway, I'm curious to see if anyone's cracked the code as far as solo raid teams go with these units?
I run the usual doro-crown-alice-sbs-privaty team, but was wondering if Alice should be moved to the collab team
kinda hurts to not have Alice with SBS
quaint grotto
I'm running out of slots, so ain't gonna roll for her
lilac swift
anyway, I'm curious to see if anyone's cracked the code as far as solo raid team...
wait for 3 hours to see
eager pewter
wait for 3 days is more like it
lilac swift
actually there could be some more expectations on day 1 as this is brand new boss
reef token
When you say “needs core”, does this refer to the dps? Thanks
open shore
When you say “needs core”, does this refer to the dps? Thanks
Naga skill 1 and 2 are buffing the core DMG
And Mari needs a core to trigger her skill 1
reef token
Oh i thought core as in core 7 lol
open shore
XD
eager nexus
this is actually what I thought it meant as well, lmao
lilac swift
so what's the minimum skill lvs
shut geyser
budget skill lvl will probably be 7/4/7
pulsar heron
Mari is as meta compared to Rei and Asuka right?
shut geyser
should be, 1 copy should be enough since she's a buffer
potent heron
she's solid to me but most of the time, piercer goes with Crown unless boss has no pierce
she will have a hard time fighting against Crown for spot
THEN
if boss has no core, she's mid
languid ledge
Is mari worth sacrificing 200 gold tix for? I got gutted out of my last 5k gems and 20 advanced vouchers 
verbal verge
how can she be mid if shes on par with crown
deep orbit
Is mari worth sacrificing 200 gold tix for? I got gutted out of my last 5k gems ...
1 copy is pretty worthwhile yeah, she's a good B2.
deep orbit
she will have a hard time fighting against Crown for spot
Bold to think we won't soon have two pierce teams
pulsar heron
meta is always changing so most likely
languid ledge
1 copy is pretty worthwhile yeah, she's a good B2.
Say less, I shall cope with the remaining 300 I’ll have after and pray it’ll be enough for anni 
eager nexus
how can she be mid if shes on par with crown
she needs to hit core to get the pierce damage buff
eager pewter
post IPO shiftup be hitting different
potent heron
She is not on par with crown
deep orbit
In 1-team cases (Campaign or Interception) you still use Crown over Mari.
In Solo Raid, there's more than 1 team with pierce DPS, so you just run a Crown Pierce team and a Mari Pierce Team.
In Union Raid... Maybe?
potent heron
she can go with Snow on core boss instead of malding Yulha
shut geyser
finally, no more yulha
open shore
she can go with Snow on core boss instead of malding Yulha
Now you have to mald Mari S2
red roost
she can go with Snow on core boss instead of malding Yulha
b..but where fire nikke
open shore
Miranda still exists
tender spindle
Lies, Miranda is a mirage
leaden path
Her skill 2 seems good
5 sec buff with 10 sec cooldown
Does that 10 sec cooldown starts after the skill activates or skill end?
If the cooldown start after at skill activation.... Then its kinda powerful
viscid shale
she can go with Snow on core boss instead of malding Yulha
So mald with both 
rain parcel
i swear they better not release a powerful Duo before Anni.......
potent heron
If the cooldown start after at skill activation.... Then its kinda powerful
most of the time, it starts immediately
so 5s uptime
5s downtime
50% uptime in total
lilac swift
mari is not crown level
eager pewter
yea people look at her offensive support but forgot she has no defensive support at all like crown
lilac swift
You guys have skillbook for another crown?
was saying for this bro
gritty moat
few more months we will have tons of lame support b2 with no one taking the team 4-5 place lol
steep knot
is Mari mid?
potent heron
Midri
grizzled prairie
Considering no other units to level right now besides the 3 Collab ones and no books to max them all (I have a fair amount though) what should my invest priority look for them
As in first level them to this then this
gritty moat
Hard to say, mari is probably for the tryhards who’s good at surviving with no healer
She have no defense capabilities and b1 wants cdr
Same like summer rosa right now
deep orbit
I think I'm not even gonna touch my Mari until after the raid lol, prioritise on building Asuka/Rei and level Mari later
dark kettle
20? So small
grizzled prairie
so mari is not needed in this raid ?
gilded citrus
Asuka/Alice can heal themselves
no heal/shield comp may be viable with dem
idk where SBS should go though
mild token
Bench
hexed pagoda
is mari off-burst useful with pierce dps in campaign?
halcyon ravine
a nudist and a schoolgirl with propensity for cuckoldry
red roost
a nudist and a schoolgirl with propensity for cuckoldry
tia: send kraken to slap naga
potent heron
aktually
meager cargo
Better than tia Naga?
if you're able to pierce then yes
it also frees up your party comp restrictions so you can go for example 1-1-3
zinc dock
if you're able to pierce then yes
Ah oki, thanks! :). Seems like tia is really out now
meager cargo
well not really I said free up comp restrictions but running mari does come with * of if you need heals to survive X boss then you're forced to bring one
and good healers that also do something else besides healing are very low in numbers
warped patrol
DKW - Mari - RH/Asuka/Mod maybe for a raid team
astral helm
out of the three new characters who would be a must pull (or is there even a must pull)
open shore
Rh goes with Tiga
meager cargo
even with the free team restriction?
open shore
Mari is for snow
fleet quest
even with the free team restriction?
If you put in 1-1-3
For 2 units it's ×5.796
And for one unit it's ×1.4099
Which makes it = ~×13
Tiga is ~×6.5 × 2 = ~×13
meager cargo
If you put in 1-1-3
For 2 units it's ×5.796
And for one unit it's ×1.4099
Which...
so even then I see 
meager cargo
well yeah
open shore
open shore
Core7 and fight without healer
meager cargo
does everything but DPS
lilac swift
So Mari overall buff is better
is that considering her pierce dmg and atk dmg buff is calculated added and not multiplied?
open shore
Next one will be damage damage
fleet quest
is that considering her pierce dmg and atk dmg buff is calculated added and not ...
Yes
fleet quest
is that considering her pierce dmg and atk dmg buff is calculated added and not ...
You can check pins
The comparison in pin is for 1 DPS who is bursting
meager cargo
next one is just multiply final damage 
lilac swift
I still don't understand what's the calculation in pins
shut geyser
But no heal or cover heal
just iframe all the hits
lilac swift
all I know is mari does 105% dmg increase in total considering all her buffs
shut geyser
this SR doesn't have a core right?
lilac swift
where crown is 124%+reload and tiga is 142% with full core hit
open shore
I still don't understand what's the calculation in pins
You're welcome
lilac swift
You're welcome
it's not helpful
open shore
it's not helpful <:deadge:1014951072072216626>
Be patient reading snake's nerd maths
I'm sure that one day snake will tell us to pull or not in binary code
lilac swift
I mean it doesn't let me know what are those variables unless otherwise specified in pin like ×1.274 ×2.5 ×1.8198 = ×5.796
for dmg increase based on skills I know for mari is like (1+0.4099+0.4099) * 1.1289 = 2.05
fleet quest
I mean it doesn't let me know what are those variables unless otherwise specifie...
.274 is atk buff
2.5 is core hit + full burst bonus
.8198 is attack damage + pierce damage
fleet quest
.274 is atk buff
2.5 is core hit + full burst bonus
.8198 is attack damage + pi...
Since I'm comparing peak damage buffs
open shore
for dmg increase based on skills I know for mari is like (1+0.4099+0.4099) * 1.1...
Mari's s1 and burst are in the weakness dmg
Branch
Pierce DMG and ATK DMG in character like Alice and red hood is 1+1
lilac swift
hmmmmmmm
fleet quest
Essentially it means at peak buffs, if a random unit is doing 1 damage
Mari will make it do 5.8 damage
Crown will make it do 5.6 damage
Tiga will make it do 6.5 damage
open shore
Same branch
lilac swift
ok I got the 2.5 and 1.8198
fleet quest
Essentially it means at peak buffs, if a random unit is doing 1 damage
Mari wil...
This does not consider any dilution or anything
It's just peak buff comparison to like a random unit without any self buffs
open shore
Pierce dmg= atk damage in characters with pierce
Simple
Next one will be true pierce dmg
True stk DMG pierciable
Why critical damage isn't just x2x3x4x5 Final Damage
Fuck you su
west glacierBOT
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif
lilac swift
Why critical damage isn't just x2x3x4x5 Final Damage
ngl this game is the first which crit related buffs have very bad dmg contribution and will be the last
where every other gamer is craved for them
lilac swift
and def down is also trash
open shore
In Nikke is kek
lilac swift
to my surprise
craggy agate
Thats how they can sell us dupe for more atk
lilac swift
there is momofund?
shut geyser
whoever can acquire momo's credit card gets the momofund
craggy agate
u guys are weird, im just trying to explain su greed 
hard vigil
royal path
i haven't paid attention to this thread. i got 1 copy of both asuka and rei. mari must-pull or no?
nvm, i see pins. 1 copy it is
tender spindle
I am Mariless no more
So she’s a 10/7/10 suggested investment?
And Rei’s a 10/10/10 suggested investment? 
lilac swift
747 mari and 477 rei
lilac swift
101010 asuka
tender spindle
shut geyser
nah go 101010 all units
meager cargo
$$$
west glacierBOT
shy elbow
sacred pagoda
nope, campaign already has crown+naga
Who is best b1 for this? D wife?
eager pewter
Who is best b1 for this? D wife?
liter if you don’t need immediate cdr.
dkw if you need the immediate cdr (can’t wait for liter’s ramping up cdr).
red hood if you can afford to wait her 40s or can finish a stage in 2 burst rotations (not use her b3)
craggy agate
afford learn 
sacred pagoda
liter if you don’t need immediate cdr.
dkw if you need the immediate cdr (can’t ...
Thank you!
rancid pawn
came here to say modernia's royal aide :3 was chewing on my shoe
tender spindle
Liter team. Liter, Mari, ?, ?, ?
D Wife team. Tia, D Wife, Naga, ?, ?
Dorothy team. Dorothy, Crown, ?, ?, Privaty
Volume team. Volume, Blanc, ?, ?, Noir
Unknown team. ?, Summer Rosanna, ?, ?, ?
west hearth
"Crown, Naga, Blanc, Summer Rosanna—recently, we have been flooded with so many good B2 we struggle to deploy them all. And, who would have thought we would be given another choice?" from Prydwen
Meanwhile Liter sit on the B1 throne and smug 
gritty moat
Any whale invested in mari how is running mari in very high deficit with no sustain running pierce team
craggy agate
Mari in high deficit, sound like a bad trip
potent heron
buff is slightly better than Crown a bit, can't pair with naga, no off burst pierce dps
gritty moat
Can imagine people have to be sweating balls to clear high feficit
potent heron
I don't find any reason to use her
fleet quest
I don't find any reason to use her
You can pair with crown and buff pierce damage if anything
fleet quest
so instead of
I mean if Naga isnt working since no core on campaign boss, and you don't need heals
Mari is the best option
craggy agate
potent heron
I only write PVE team and still remember that flaw shit
she's just an inferior Crown
and you don't use inferior
craggy agate
“Impressive resume, top 3% solo raid in a game called Nikke very good you’re hired”
west hearth
There goes my saving for anniversary...
yes, I have both 3 Eva girls...
the banners really hate me...
merry yew
tender spindle
They like ruining lobby skill cutscenes 💀
Mari is all good until she gets to the part of light shining from her bust area
This isn’t suitable to be seen for more than 5 seconds
But as a lobby skill cutscene, it sits there for minutes
Like with Sakura event scene with the blowing cherry blossom petals
The damn petals are blown so hard that they’re a distracting, painful storm of petals to have in view for more than a few seconds
Best one is still Frima treasure. Sleep is good
glossy surge
has anyone here ran DKW, Mari, Alice, Asuka, Mod..... i'm curious...
half glen
open shore
hybrid bramble
ok cool
eager pewter
coping for her use in hard campaign malding
craggy agate
the only case i see for her use is the Barbell base attack case where u need RH/Alice/SW/Asuka punch for defup/healed barbell
but Crown+NAga is just better
mari is pretty much benched in hard
tender spindle
Crown is supreme
Since only one team in campaign, any lesser choices have no presence
Tbh I’m waiting for ShiftUp to do the unthinkable
Require 2 or 3 teams in campaign
Something like, the fight accepts two squads, once you start you have to win both battles back to back
craggy agate
I like that, where is that post in maincord to upvote 
open shore
I like that, where is that post in maincord to upvote <a:modcheck:10084745228459...
Pilgrim not allowed after 15% of deficit
tender spindle
Pilgrim not allowed after 15% of deficit
Can only use Pilgrims against Chapter Bosses, and none of the other stages in the chapter
eternal mural
tender spindle
Chapter 42, Elysion Only, Rebuild Mirror Container boss
deep orbit
Something like, the fight accepts two squads, once you start you have to win bot...
I've said for ages we need a boss where you have two squads, one on each side.
Boss Models are 3D anyway, so just add a "swap squad" button, and have the squad not currently controlled be auto burst & aim
I think it would really help with the atmosphere story always sets of different squads attacking the boss from different locations simultaneously
Also raises the value of dps who aren't pierce snipers lol, since still can't manual control more than one Nikke.
gilded citrus
I've said for ages we need a boss where you have two squads, one on each side.
...
bosses are 3d, but most of the map objects are billboards 
scarlet prairie
For f2p is this also a 7/7/7 situation?
fleet quest
You need to overload and/or doll her up for the extra survivability I assume
Just for more comfortable runs
heavy marten
vocal depot
She does have an ATK buff scaling on Caster's ATK
Not a huge one, but for those min-maxing, that means OL gear for increasing base stats is mandatory
gilded citrus
more and more supports are getting skills scaling on caster's stats
I love the way SU is giving us incentive to get moar dupes 
open shore
Ele>>>>>everything
open shore
turbid night
https://www.rXddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1fchzx5/i_saw_this_while_taking_a_...
who does @dark kettle think is best girl
dark kettle
who does <@308926283482398720> think is best girl
turbid night
Disappointed in you
open shore
dark kettle
I dislike 3 of them
Itsok u will have ur own meme
And also antillar and ark
Snake said that
hexed pagoda
If there's no shield, then fast attack is the way to be?
viscid shale
i mean Id wait till last day or last hour to pity but imo she is worth it however collab unit so probably will be powercrept
visual mesa
I had to get her by mileage before reset ( I have to go work) 
Final thoughts on Mari where is she used with what units?
fleet quest
Final thoughts on Mari where is she used with what units?
SR and UR
visual mesa
reef valve
I had to get her by mileage before reset ( I have to go work) <a:WorrySwipeSad:1...
Same bro same😭
hard vigil
is it worth using gold tickets
open shore
Ban this troll
patent grove
tender spindle
If this is a review on whether pulling Mari was worth it on today, here are the winners, losers, and wasters imo:
Losers: Skipped
Winners: 1 copy
Wasters: MLB
Wasters: MCB
Rejoice in F2P
Oh special exception, if you're someone who cares about Max LVL in Nikke and actually hits the Max LVL, MLB Mari would raise it a bit higher
whole nymph
still highly usable if not a must use for electric-weak raid
deep orbit
Just looking at support given to a pierce B3 for simplicity:
Mari:
Pierce Damage ▲ 81.98% if core, otherwise 40.99%
ATK ▲ 30.78% of caster’s ATK for 5 sec every 10 sec
Damage dealt to Shield ▲ 100.09%
Grave:
Pierce Damage ▲ 88.18%
Max Ammunition Capacity ▲ 3 round(s)
Burst Gauge filling speed ▲ 38.96%
On burst gen they're equivalent, Mari being sniper / not needing full charge for her pierce buff means you can spam shot for quick burst. gen anyway.
So really she's competitive with Grave - as long as enemy has core. You're trading 6.2% ATK Damage for 30.78% of a supporter's ATK stat which is active for half of every full burst.
Grave's Ammo & Mari's shield buffs are negligible, as is their personal damage off-element.
TL;DR Mari will be a must-use for any raid with a core available for the majority of the raid (pierce required core is OK). Whether such raids will exist is the real question..........
vocal depot
Grave damage negligable off-element is a questionable statement
Grave will definitely deal at least 3x Mari's damage, minimum 
I don't think you'd see Mari remotely competing with this even tho she's elementally strong vs Crystal Chamber
Her damage would look more like Liter's 
Also, they aren't equivalent in burst gen, either 
Grave's burst gen exceeds Rouge and DKW, which you won't see with Mari
Also, Grave only buffs pierce for 40%, not 88%
You can't add S1 and burst together because they'll never be active at the same time, and the S1 window is insanely small
Like this is vs Ultra, with a failed QTE right before the end
Yeah I know my Grave is way more invested than Mari (gear and doll), but do you think Mari has any chance to ever outdamage Maxwell?
I think not
Damage was practically the same on the other four, with Maxwell taking some damage from RH; the lack of Grave DPS meant that Maxwell got some bursts on cores (since Grave wasn't helping to destroy them)
If I invested more in Mari, maybe I'd get double the DPS at most? Which is still 1/3 of Grave 
Mari has no hope of competing with Grave imo. But she doesn't need to, since she can just be on another team
deep orbit
Also, Grave only buffs pierce for 40%, not 88%
I added both Grave and Mari's ATK Damage% and Pierce DMG% buffs (active during full burst) just to simplify the comparison, as they're the same damage bracket.
You're right I've undersold Grave's off-element damage and burst gen, but burst gen especially.... Mari doesn't exactly struggle to refill gauge before cooldown, which is what matters. Overcapping burst gen is unnecessary.
Mari similarly has an ATK buff of mid benefit. Not amazing, not complete trash. If the team is running two pierce DPS (and not e.g. a support&sub-dps like Maxwell) it wouldn't surprise me to see a 10/10/10 Mari outperform Grave thanks to that ATK buff.
Imo her biggest issue is the reliance on core for her Pierce buff. All other differences with Grave are minor.
vocal depot
I added both Grave and Mari's ATK Damage% and Pierce DMG% buffs (active during f...
But Grave's S1 isn't active during buff, and one of the the burst buffs is self-only
If the team is running two pierce DPS (and not e.g. a support&sub-dps like Maxwell)
Unfortunately unlikely to see this since our current pierce DPS units are:
- Red Hood (usually with X Lud or Maxwell)
- Alice (practically glued to SBS)
- Asuka (cope unit outside of fire-weak)
- Snow White (recently dead)
- Laplace (
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- Harran (
We tend to see our pierce units actually spread out rather than clustered, which is the main reason I definitely think Mari isn't out of the picture; she'll only become more relevant as we get more pierce DPS units (assuming no more Elegg-Rem-Crown situations that powercreep her out)
Crown/Grave/Naga/Blanc/Mari currently appears to be a very safe guarantee for solo raid lineups as long as the B2 doesn't need to be swapped for element; few other B2s remotely have a chance to keep up
deep orbit
But Grave's S1 isn't active during buff, and one of the the burst buffs is self-...
I added these two together for Grave (both from Burst, no S1)
■ Affects all allies.
Attack Damage ▲ 48.2% for 10 sec.
Pierce Damage ▲ 39.98% for 10 sec.
I agree Mari will be more relevant as more B3 DPS are released.
In terms of the original question of "is she only relevant for electric weak" I stand by my statement that she'll also be relevant anytime a core is regularly present
vocal depot
Ahhh, the attack damage buff
vocal depot
In terms of the original question of "is she only relevant for electric weak" I ...
No argument there!
Grave is similar, honestly. Her damage does falloff a lot if there is no core and/or the boss is resilient to pierce
I think a lot of people slacked on investing in her because they were focused on Cinderella (who most definitely deals way more damage than Grave in practically all scenarios), but she definitely qualifies as a sub-DPS 
I can actually get around only 200 mil less vs Kraken with Grave than I can with Crown (Kraken having pierce-able core through the whole fight buffs Grave's DPS a ton), although it's terrible cuz I have to i-frame every AoE blast
If we got pierce wind units, I'd be curious to try with Mari
I guess the main takeaway is that Grave gives people who skipped/missed Mari a proper B2 slot with on average zero loss (potentially gain is some cases, potentially loss in some cases), but people who have Mari have much more flexibility 
potent heron
dark kettle
Grave damage negligable off-element is a questionable statement
It is negligible.
CC doesn't have core.
Her crit makes her better.
Far better.
Usually it wud just be "better" but not far.
vocal depot
It is negligible.
So S Anis damage is neglible too 
