Hitrate useless if no core
#[Asuka Shikinami Langley] New Unit Megathread
red quest
more like asuka is useless if no core 
boreal moss
In either case, it's not worthwhile for most people to worry about tertiary lines for any Nikke but like RH, Alice, and SBS
Too expensive
red quest
and in most cases it's not about getting 3rd line but about how to deal with useless option among 3 lines
plain dove
eh I mean who cares asuka already has 3 lines she requires
ele/attack/ammo
everything else is not as valuable
plain dove
eh it just goes back to how long can asuka shoot before reloading BEFORE you enter full burst again
so even if running 100% reload it's still worthless to be at 20 base ammo
red quest
everything else is not as valuable
so I reroll these to ditch hit rate?
boreal moss
ATK > Hit Rate
plain dove
eh just leave it too expensive to reroll
boreal moss
But yeah
plain dove
that's 2x locking you gotta do
boreal moss
Not worth to reroll unless you're intent on using Asuka for campaign or PvP
Hit Rate is still good on her
Inherent core damage buffs + doll core damage buffs are delicious
plain dove
yeah hit rate is still useful for her DPS outside of her burst
red quest
this piece is also pain to bear
brazen ridge
Still the best piece to lock3 and gamble
We get lots of rock now and free lock everyday
red quest
do I lock only 3rd for dat?
boreal moss
You could, but then you'll be spending more rocks to reroll
Free locks don't change reroll cost 
plain dove
you can it just costs 50 key pieces to lock both ammo and attack
and 3 rocks per reroll
boreal moss
And you just keep the ATK until you get better, so it's not like there's a point to locking it
aside from hoping for the god roll
brazen ridge
do I lock only 3rd for dat?
Yea i would gamble with the atk (i did)
boreal moss
It's long-term more effective to sacrifice the 1st slot ATK when you secure an ATK or Ele % on the second
then to reroll the first slot
Cuz if you lock the first slot, you're fighting the 50% chance of not even getting anything on the second
red quest
ok so I lock 3rd if I got 3 lines and 1/3 are valid
if 1/2 are valid no point of locking?
brazen ridge
This is the only piece i thi k reasonable to lock 2 lines and slam 3 rocks (atk ele on 2nd 3rd)
Lock 2 and Roll for 2nd line still too spicy
plain dove
french 
brazen ridge
brazen ridge
if 1/2 are valid no point of locking?
U lock 3rd and fish for valid 2nd
Then work down to 1st
red quest
brazen ridge
red quest
that's my sbs suffering with black hit rate in 1st line
boreal moss
Hit Rate... ? 
red quest
it's great and awful to see at the same time
red quest
and the 3rd is fucking piece of sheet
midnight oriole
roll the hit rate away 
astral gull
so Crit Rate provides more damage in those cases <:KEKL:1008348072637636648>
U best me
astral gull
more like asuka is useless if no core <:kekw:1009394634692247632>
Actually not
astral gull
This is the only piece i thi k reasonable to lock 2 lines and slam 3 rocks (atk ...
Tf is Hausse de IATQ
Hausse des degats elementaires infliges
Hausse des degas critiquee
red quest
Actually not
if you still wanna put her with 40% of dmg potential gone be my guest
small osprey
Momo the french
astral gull
if you still wanna put her with 40% of dmg potential gone be my guest
U mean Mod?
Mod has no dmg without core
LOL
Worse dmg than Asuka
Why no mention that
red quest
U mean Mod?
wdym it's asuka
astral gull
wdym it's asuka
Asuka is better than Mod without core
Asuka matches Alice without core against Wind
Alice is better than them in every other situation
red quest
asuka dmg drop against no core is 2nd biggest next to xlud so nah
but actually there will be core anw
astral gull
Tested with whale account
red quest
unless devs are high
astral gull
asuka dmg drop against no core is 2nd biggest next to xlud so nah
1st biggest is XLud
2nd biggest is Alice
3rd biggest is RH
4th biggest is Asuka
5th biggest is Mod
red quest
I dnd't calculate it myself but he said asuka is 2nd
astral gull
I dnd't calculate it myself but he said asuka is 2nd
Who said
Alice and Rh are 2nd and 3rd
They literally have 100% core hit
Units with 100% core hit suffer more
Its basic math
astral gull
the usual mentat
He didnt say what rank of reduction
Trust me
Alice and RH lose more
red quest
but does it matter who lose more
astral gull
but does it matter who lose more <:kekw:1009394634692247632>
Yes
Cus Alice without core just becomes SBS support
Lmao
She has no dmg
Without core
red quest
so you don't use alice against no core?
astral gull
so you don't use alice against no core?
Thats cus SBS shines against no core
red quest
brazen ridge
Kisenix's bottomG élémentaire augmente de 69%
astral gull
Kisenix's bottomG élémentaire augmente de 69%
Wew
red quest
hmmmmmmmmmm
with using alice calculator no core hit is like 45% dmg drop
or near 50%
oh wait it's not 50% dmg becomes half
meager flume
1 + 1 contains unfathomable mysteries
simple hawk
1+1 = 3 according to my art teacher
plain dove
1+1=🪟
delicate locust
1111 = ++
simple hawk
1+1 = freedom
did you go to an american school?
boreal moss
She herself has no dmg.
Yup, it's funny running PvP with union against bosses like Nihilister and letting the lowest level player take Alice for S1 10 and just afk rather than finger break 
So much effort for such little reward
halcyon jackal
testing asuka with 1/1/1 vs indivilia just got 1,1B
hollow flint
how is asuka good story high deficit
brazen ridge
how is asuka good story high deficit
very good 29.4% deficit silence PSID wall stage
no liter
small osprey
Rh B1 is a monster
feral pawn
very good 29.4% deficit silence PSID wall stage
did you try it with alice instead of asuka before
brazen ridge
did you try it with alice instead of asuka before
my manual skill with alice is not that good so i dont try with alice
but
feral pawn
what invest is your asuka?
brazen ridge
this is the lowest clear on that stage for your reference
brazen ridge
what invest is your asuka?
10/10/10 and these Ols quality, i would say dawgshiet
red quest
do I need 101010 skills on her
red quest
small osprey
red quest
the problem is I got 4 ammos
feral pawn
I have 1 ele and 2 atk, while 0 ammo
I compared the dmg before and after I got my second atk line, almost no dmg increase 
brazen ridge
Ye doesnt she scale not so well with atk considering her s1
brazen ridge
just 4 fun
fading dew
Sigh, I hates meta collab unit...
future or new players won't be able to get them
SS is acceptable, but SSS NIKKE? bruh
rose lance
Rip
bitter spire
Sigh, I hates meta collab unit...
We have tended to get a unit that closely resembles the collab unit, or we will later.
Especially when they're actually good.
thick spear
idk about SSS tier asuka on campaign lol
got modernia and alice, definitely dont feel worth to switch them over
unless replacing naga, but naga buff are pretty insane.
hazy ocean
unless replacing naga, but naga buff are pretty insane.
Try her out 
Asuka Alice mod is pretty strong
meager flume
We have tended to get a unit that closely resembles the collab unit, or we will ...
Possible, but it’s also possible that this collab is a special case because of their being a fan of it.
It could be they want to have lasting characters from the collab. Same idea if they ever do Stellar Blade collab
bitter spire
The Stellar Blade collab could actually get reruns though.
thick spear
surely is a free collaboration
thick spear
Try her out <:Sip:805837285052383292>
i've got better unit to invest in 
hollow flint
is Asuka SSS cute?
static anchor
personality wise she is a SSSS tier bitch
grizzled sandal
just how people like her
minor bloom
Ppl at reddit now complaining about asuka being SSS on campaign and said SBS and RH is better asuka should not be in SSS , and telling ppl she is not a must pull
Yes everyone has RH and SBS
Don pull asuka
thick spear
if yanni uses asuka in campaign only then i believe she will be SSS
or mcegan
in high deficit we trust.
minor bloom
Kinda stupid to look at the tier list
With the view of a stacked account player
Not everyone has RH or SBS ( yup thats me)
So telling those ppl not to get asuka which would help you lot in campaign is literally gimping them
brazen ridge
nope its just we should look at it as a reference, it entirely depends on where the acc at, the investment, too many factor,
but tierlist gives u a good reference points, and with explaination why, u kinda agree or disagree with it at some point
minor bloom
Thats assuming you have those 6 unit or 5 if one of those 6 is alice
brazen ridge
if u pick 35% and pick only 6 units, u basically limit your solutions at 2-3 solutions
while there is more
its an easy way, but not the only way
we are at the point, when the "insane" investment is acceptable
we get lots of rocks
insane as in just 3 lines of elementals on Ein
THATS INSANE
its easy to get that to get that
ok thats 1 solution
doesnt mean others dont work
minor bloom
My point is, stop telling ppl not to pull asuka, especially newbies
brazen ridge
the CP get mitigated by elemental lines, its insane
minor bloom
Thats you
brazen ridge
few % difference, nothing
brazen ridge
you count how many people push at 380-40% ? we have like 1 million, you think how many in high decifit and how many really push at 40%
the tierlist
is not for only those few
brazen ridge
no you want two choices, try and make it, spend like 1 hour, and receive feedback, its insanely hard to make sth like that and not receive multiple levels of feedbacks
thick spear
prydwen consider 25% high deficit?
brazen ridge
Or just add a SSS- and SSS+
no the tierlist that's undertood as SS and SSS is not sufficient enough
need explaination of what SS stands for
that will seal the nail in the coffin
minor bloom
Hmmm didn't they explained?
brazen ridge
they just recently did
minor bloom
They added sime flavor text
brazen ridge
before they are very hidden or uncleared on that
it now has a structure, before it didnt, so people ideas mixed and clashed with it
now here is the structure, here are the points
minor bloom
Nikke . GG waiting for the entire situation to blow over before adding asuka into the tier list
minor bloom
now here is the structure, here are the points
We still have ppl who said " just use RH and SBS bro"
brazen ridge
well nothing wrong about it
minor bloom
I would have.... If I HAD HER
brazen ridge
I would have.... If I HAD HER
now that just make the tierlist abit benefit to you
cuz you not locked into 6 options only
you are introduced to other options
minor bloom
Saving gold so i can get the next anni for free
lean glacier
asuka makes mod who is already god at campaign better. and id say like half of the playerbase who has alice built is using her at an optimal level (and thats being generous)
yeah the tier list is clearly not catered to the few and instead is for the broad playerbase. yet ur advocating that the tier list should be changed based on the 10%
idgaf about pokemon or smash bros so i wouldnt know 
in any case the units who are deserving SSS are at SSS so no problems there
whats your investment on her? ive seen momo here use her pretty well at 33%+ deficit
brazen ridge
dont bring me to fight with the top dawg
i just play the game
and yeah at 40%, i dont even know asuka can do anything kekw
lean glacier
yeah at 40% deficit youll need gaming chair alice anyways
brazen ridge
its a cleave dawg
lean glacier
brazen ridge
thata wipe in my book
minor bloom
Because everyone have the 6 most powerful unit to use....
hazy ocean
Asuka's PVE comp recommendation?
Where do you plan to use her
minor bloom
Where do you plan to use her
I think you should add a sweat lord tier to the tier list
minor bloom
hazy ocean
Asuka's PVE comp recommendation?
Campaign its just
Liter/DWife crown Naga/mod
And then two B3s, choose from:
Rh/Alice/mod/Asuka/s.anis/Ein/Rei/scarlet/SBS
According to the situation.
hazy ocean
Asuka's PVE comp recommendation?
For raids you can use
Liter crown/S.Rosanna Asuka Rei Mod
If it feels a bit tryhardy, you can use a healer like helm over Rei perhaps 
Or even Marciana over crown/rosanna
cold lark
this question has probably been asked already, but has someone ran asuka/alice/modernia vs asuka/rei/modernia and checked with one deals more damage?
hazy ocean
this question has probably been asked already, but has someone ran asuka/alice/m...
Asuka Alice Naga > Asuka Rei Modernia when there's pierce involved
Asuka Rei mod > Asuka Alice Naga when there's no pierce
sharp bridge
For OL, priority should be ELE > Ammo > Attack?
She has crazy attack scaling anyways already right?
hazy ocean
For OL, priority should be ELE > Ammo > Attack?
Ammo > ele > atk
hazy ocean
She has crazy attack scaling anyways already right?
Rei only has like 30% atk
red quest
ele>atk=ammo, with maximum of 3 ammos are valid
hazy ocean
ele>atk=ammo, with maximum of 3 ammos are valid
Oh my bad actually
I thought this was Rei thread
Ele > ammo > atk probably yeah
boreal moss
Bad rolls for trying to get ele % 
sharp bridge
But still good rolls if you want ammo + attack XD
My asuka is only at x2 Ele, x3 ammo, x1 attack and I don’t want to keep feeding her rocks. It’s pain
boreal moss
Yeah, I don't think I'll get enough rocks to reasonably improve her from that, so just gonna improve Alice/Rei/Modernia
thick spear
wheres nikke gg with their asuka/rei official tier list
i think they talk about the tier in another thread but not in the chart
solar mango
how much did you invest in asuka @hazy ocean ?
small osprey
Nothing, his one is assucka
solar mango
hehe
hazy ocean
how much did you invest in asuka <@390152688605593603> ?
7/7/7 4ol
of maybe one of the skills is 8
i forgot which one tho
prolly the atk buff skill
i drowned like 10 rocks prolly, i need to work on sbs for now
boreal moss
I think 7/7/10 is fine for F2P/newer players. 
The scaling per level on her skills isn't actually that high, so the cost of the last three is pretty big
small osprey
If you like to push in high deficit you have to build her, she is funny
Ar Pierce is funny
boreal moss
I think CP is one of the worst parts of the game, so definitely not applicable to me
small osprey
red quest
she’s 101010 now and goat in hard 29
gloomy jetty
Hongbuk
gloomy jetty
she’s 101010 now and goat in hard 29
brazen ridge
Outvoted by kisekekw and Snakekw 
red quest
isn’t it indiv
hazy ocean
Outvoted by kisekekw and Snakekw <:godsad:1182258882396041236>
I wouldve liked having total control 
brazen ridge
plain dove
small osprey
why do you asuka Fire code on Kraken?
The guy said sbs
But yeah we are in asuka's thread kek
hazy ocean
Nikke.gg has a scaling guide
It's like roughly 15% gain from lvl7 -> lvl10
Oh wait my bad
It's a 4% gain
Of buff value
So like Mari burst and S1
35.41 -> 40.99
1.3541 -> 1.4099
It's a 4% gain, total 8% if you do both S1 and burst
Yeah but the overall gain should still be 8%, not considering external dilution
1.2983 -> 1.3541
It's roughly 4% gain here too
Lvl4 -> lvl7
Tbh I usually use this to decide most things:
https://dotgg.gg/nikke/guides/nikke-skill-level-scaling
I take 3 things into consideration
- how much I think I'll use that unit
- scaling
- and I forgot the third thing even tho I was about to write it before the other 2 points above
hazy ocean
You'll see most skills have ×1.69 scaling, so that's borderline good.
Anything below this I will hesitate to upgrade
Anything above this I will probably think less to upgrade, especially if I know I'll use that unit
small osprey
daring field
yo what's the 3rd point?
small osprey
Important thing is her burst
I mean 7/10/10 is good but 10/10/10
Is just for whales
hazy ocean
Tbh I usually use this to decide most things:
https://dotgg.gg/nikke/guides/nikk...
For asuka you'll see S1 has lesser scaling so I upgraded it later
But burst and S2 scaling is nuts so I upped it before anything else
Especially burst scaling is really good
hazy ocean
yo what's the 3rd point?
I forgor 💀
daring field
<:Shruge:1145866981413765160> I forgor 💀
you can't leave us hanging like that man
hazy ocean
Perfectly average
It also depends on the base DPS of a nikke
And how good it's overloads are
small osprey
Imagine spend rocks in ssakura and not in SBS, the one who can stage 7 kraken even with Alice auto
hazy ocean
You can't follow this to the book because for Rh iirc, the scaling is below average
See here
She's actually terrible gain
But she hits so hard cuz if skills and base damage that it's worth it
rose lance
But she hits so hard cuz if skills and base damage that it's worth it
What is the average of hit dmg?
meager flume
In short, if you want to kill harder on someone that already kills hard, and avoid the possibility of being left short with a 1% Rapture while losing to Skill Issue ™️ , max RH 
brazen ridge
Tower 609 (Chapter 24-34 Variant but water weak - 25% decifit)
I heard kisekekw early on mentioning this this triple fire combo, i did not believe it has any practical application in real scenario, but it actually packs so much sheer power (how the elites and mobs just drop ded) that bypasses the neutral element and no healing against bronchus at all (high rng).
I tried those comp in cleared chart but my RH+Alice dont have prolly high atk% so they dont hit neutral that hard and feel much weaker than this high rng comp. The Alice+RH thingy comp appears ALOT in low cp clear (hand down prolly best comp), but i just try to have some fun with other comps here.
the next 20 ish stages are pretty easy cuz the map designs not hard and the deficit not high, but stage like this make it very hard even at low deficit
lean glacier
Tower 609 (Chapter 24-34 Variant but water weak - 25% decifit)
I heard kisekekw ...
asuka lifesteal clutch 
hollow flint
hazy ocean
Tbh I usually use this to decide most things:
https://dotgg.gg/nikke/guides/nikk...
Ohhh I remember the last thing @daring field
It's uptime of buff
So like upgrading Mari S2 is on paper 4%
But in reality 2% cuz 50% uptime
So I'm definitely never getting mari S2 to lvl10
Unless it's for SW team
daring field
Makes total sense, I also planned to leave it at 7 max
plain dove
I'm just using her in rookie pvp for fun but it's pretty handy against ASS/SBS 
vocal fulcrum
Alright, non capslock version
Is Asuka really that good, should I pull for my team: Crown, Naga, Literally, Maxwell/Alice, Laplace
*Liter XD
hazy ocean
Alright, non capslock version
Is Asuka really that good, should I pull for m...
You can replace Laplace with
Asuka
vocal fulcrum
Thank
cold lark
not sure if this is the right thread to as the question, but is asuka/rei/mod the best team for asuka or is there some wierd combination out there that sorta deals the same damage?
brazen ridge
not sure if this is the right thread to as the question, but is asuka/rei/mod th...
that is the best all out dps fire comp for some stages that you really really want to take out stuff ASAP
if the argument is alice could do better, then Alice would form another comp, but if we talk about trio fire dps, this comp has the best synergy
and its very good comp for Invidilia if u want to chill
cold lark
that is the best all out dps fire comp for some stages that you really really wa...
so i have to genuinely assume asuka needs rei, and can really live with just one copy and some how some way out dps red hood and alice and smthng?
brazen ridge
no
it depend on how you play redhood alice
they have the higher ceiling in term of punch damage, but it requires higher skill/tool/mechanic
the trio require way less
offering sth similar
but not quite there
cold lark
ok but like, compared to other dps' like, WLudmilla or snow white or maxwell or something, where's like, asuka and rei in it all, at just one copy
i absolutely do not trust my luck and i feel like i'm about to spend all my gems just to get one copy of three, so i'm mapping the chances of skipping rei and not bricking my fire team
brazen ridge
you just loose out an option forever
there will be other options to go around any obstacle, but if u dont get her, she is gone
1 copy is good enough, just get good overload lines, applying for any nikke
feral pawn
is 2 40% ammo lines for asuka fine? literally hemorraging rocks trying to reroll value to higher 
gilded token
is 2 40% ammo lines for asuka fine? literally hemorraging rocks trying to reroll...
Depends on whether Asuka is going on your campaign / bossing / Gravedigger / Wind Anomaly Interception team, or if she's going to be sent to the bench until the next Wind SR
Ideally, Asuka follows the same logic as OG Scarlet---try to get as many Max Ammo lines and Elemental Damage lines as you can. Attack Lines are a high 2nd priority, but her kit has enough ATK steroids that Elemental Damage is better option for OL lines
But if you're done with the current SR and you don't plan on using Asuka in the near future, you probably have higher priority units for your jolly rancher supply
Asuka will just have to wait on her perfect OL loadout for a few months until the next Wind Solo Raid
shy kindle
I've just rerolled each gear until it has either elemental or max ammo and called it there.
End result was 3 elemental, 1 max ammo, and then a whopping +31% hit rate lol, so I guess I'm getting those core hits off-burst too
I am curious on the math of ATK vs Hit Rate vs Crit as far as third priority goes, simply due to her ATK already being so high from S1
brazen ridge
Gotta work on getting second ammo first then the hit rate/attack might change again
But she seems like a “lets move on another nikke” at your stage
The hit rate effect is more visible when u look around at the distance during the play. I noticed this difference long time ago with scarlet 1 hit rate line, before the line she could not core hit the mid distance enemy, but later with the hit rate she could sometime. So 3 lines could benefit her well when her burst ends
But not sth i would keep though. At high deficit, i still think at some point if my asuka gets a bit more atk here, the subsequent wave after first asuka burst could be cleared by her much faster if i could get few atk% on her.
half shuttle
Got these 2 perfect slots on asuka on my last rock
real saddle
Damn nice
obtuse flint
What's a good team to use around Asuka?
brazen ridge
What's a good team to use around Asuka?
Just use her with alice/rei/modernia depend on game mode, cant really go wrong
obtuse flint
Just use her with alice/rei/modernia depend on game mode, cant really go wrong
Speaking of Rei, I got her.
lean glacier
40% deficit, no doll 5/5/5 asuka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXXGwJf_mIw
real saddle
@hazy ocean is there minimal amount ammo that Asuka need? And what is most important to less (atk + elem + ammo)
celest fern
<@390152688605593603> is there minimal amount ammo that Asuka need? And what is ...
ammo/ele
attack
she should have at least 2 ammo
real saddle
ammo/ele
attack
Ah i see thanks
real saddle
she should have at least 2 ammo
Got it
I have 2 with first line but pretty high atk line
So ye guess i swap it in whole
After 2 ammo the importance of ammo drops below atk?
celest fern
After 2 ammo the importance of ammo drops below atk?
yea
ideally you’d still want 4 tho
but her reload is one second so its not as harsh as scarlet
brazen ridge
After 2 ammo the importance of ammo drops below atk?
Get 3 ammo, her atk is not that significant
real saddle
I see, thx a lot @celest fern and @brazen ridge . Than ill start to advance Asuka up 🫡
solar mango
40% deficit, no doll 5/5/5 asuka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXXGwJf_mIw
how much investment in asuka? lb and ols?
lean glacier
how much investment in asuka? lb and ols?
core 1
lean glacier
hazy ocean
<@390152688605593603> is there minimal amount ammo that Asuka need? And what is ...
Ele > ammo = atk more or less
Main strength and use is in ele, but she does want ammo lines
ATK alrdy saturated a fuckton so I guess that's less worthy if anything
real saddle
Give her some love
real saddle
ATK alrdy saturated a fuckton so I guess that's less worthy if anything
I see, thanks a lot 
Still have long way to go
vocal fulcrum
Bye bye, Asuka
meager flume
meager flume
https://tenor.com/view/anime-asuka-asuka-mad-shinji-piloting-neong-genesis-evang...
Asuka: “Dummies, why didn’t you pull when you had the chance?!”
real saddle
I did 🙂
real saddle
No way lol
dapper plover
I got her to three stars. Was it a wise investment?
small osprey
dapper plover
Fair point.
lime night
It's a collab rerun!
shy kindle
Those who missed can get top tier fire Nikke
Even better now that SBS can run with Mana, so Asuka & Alice is a viable soloraid core damage destroying team
small osprey
This Nikke is necessary if you wanna farm Indivilia, hard campaign fire weak (she makes everything easy), and a really good option in solo raid
tardy garden
Not me seeing this thread active and thinking the new asuka kit dropped