[Ein] New Unit Megathread

[plain zinc]

@rare vine final warning
Also a warning to everyone involved

This channel does not allow datamined content

[lusty pine]

Oh, the boss skill information and the link to the sheet containing them, whoops

To be fair, that KR sourced information was a poor choice to use for here, it was an unnecessary translated datamine of an already officially available boss skill description for the end of phase 2 QTE. I’ll post the official version for English

Screenshot of the boss (Mirror Container) official skill information for end of phase 2 QTE, in English:

Relevance to Ein: Electric Nikke, and the boss is probably literally designed for Ein to play with

That, and we were talking about the boss a bit ago

[dawn sphinx]

As always sell units for SR 😁

[rancid geode]

Nice try, ShiftUp. I won't build Laplace treasure.

[rancid geode]

I just found out Feather can still active even when Ein died

[frigid wind]

[frigid wind]

interesting

[rancid geode]

Yeah, I was pushing campaign and Ein die, but suddenly a Feather came out of nowhere and shot enemy.

ah yes, I guess one Feather's duration wasn't completely expired yet

[dark frigate]

@plain zinc did you pull or ticketed Ein?

[sly drum]

Bro nobody should ticket ein

[potent pivot]

scarlet killer though amirite

[sly drum]

The best scarlet killer is scarlet herself

[lyric vault]

Ironically, that's a true statement

But yes, don't mileage Ein

[tiny comet]

im so god damn happy i got her on first 10

[noble shoal]

Same

[potent pivot]

i did but got greedy wanting dupes

"let's be financially responsible"

[tiny comet]

100 pulls on s.sakura banner only got 2

[regal galleon]

120 pulls on S anis no s anis had to ticket her

dont wanna hear it

[noble shoal]

Tragic

[urban river]

[regal galleon]

i did get SKura MLB in 90 pulls so ig the universe had to right itself

but did it have to be on s anis

[limpid crest]

sames

[regal galleon]

thats what i get for dropping the game during summer last year ig

[limpid crest]

Its what I get for dropping at new years... but that wasnt my choice therefore its ok :)

surely

[plain zinc]

Pulled in 20 pulls

[urban river]

Imagine spending mileage in mid units

[fierce bolt]

scarlet killer after 2 years?

good for ppl without scarlet i gues

[sly drum]

140 pulls for 1 sakura copy and 150 pulls on sanis with nothing to show for so I mileaged her before I zeroed my gems.

where’s my balancing luck pull

[regal galleon]

itll come on collab trust

[sly drum]

[lusty pine]

Where was the damage formula again

Found it, #research-results message

[knotty sluice]

Looking at these results and the damage screen shots and reviews

I'm still struggling to see why she's worth pulling to invest a ton of resources only to shelve her for this upcoming SR and then when the occasional electric code SR comes around

she doesn't seem like she breaks the meta, only that she roughly equates to a big 3 manufactuer scarlet tier dps, which I thought is considered pretty low/baseline at this point for "meta"

Is she just SR bait? That's what she appears to be

[lusty pine]

If you treat her as Scarlet level damage dealer, in worst cases, then it’s bait

Scarlet still sees some use, so it would be just a Scarlet V3

I think we’re excited over her because she’s cool, does a bit better than original Scarlet without having the berserker self-harm issue…

And there’s currently a building anticipation that if it’s Mirror Container, Ein is the best for it

Rn a lot of the fence sitters are waiting for Solo Raid Challenge to arrive and see the early Ein investors try to prove they didn’t get baited bigtime

I already replaced my Interception Ex team with Crown, Naga, Ein, S.Anis, Red Hood, because I can

[neat island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeNkO5VtCYc&t=1s my goat posted

[dusk wigeon]

What did he say for skills just got her on my first 10 LOL

[knotty sluice]

I'm pretty sure they got baited hahaha

[woeful lark]

Although she's outdamaging RH for me in electric-weak campaign stages

I definitely don't think she's worth more than 7/7/7 for anyone who isn't looking at numerical SR ranks

[shut cloak]

is there any character who doesn't have 10/10/10 ideal???

[reef forum]

as a dps?

[shut cloak]

any role

[reef forum]

i mean technically alice only needs 10/4/10, mod can be 10/10/4-7+

[shut cloak]

that's competitive right?

[reef forum]

yeah

alice doesn't need her S2 maxed and you dont burst with mod in raids or bossing

[shut cloak]

not "ideal"

it just feels odd to even put an "ideal" in the image

[reef forum]

ideal is just another word for whales i guess lol

shift up still drip feeding those skill mats

[final kite]

is he saying that being ideal is beyond competitive?

[reef forum]

probably means if you have the resources to easily spare, aren't running low or you want to maximize her potential if you care that much for an electric dps for raids/bossing

i wouldn't overthink it, i would just invest her to what you're willing to put in

[lusty pine]

I think he just meant, if the goal is maximum Ein damage, then 10/10/10

S1, S2, and Burst all assist Ein's damage. Not "minorly", "superficially", or even "not at all"

Alice's S2 doesn't cause damage

Modernia's Burst can go entirely unused in boss battles

BS.Scarlet's S2 can be made redundant given enough alternative sources of ammo

Just like how S.Anis can let you skate by with lvl9 Burst because lvl10 Burst is barely helpful - lvl9 was enough to achieve desired ammo reduction

I'd say it's separate from the idea that lvls 8-10 are too expensive with scarce mats

[woeful lark]

I think 10/10/10 requiring Nikkes are still the minority

Only at extemely high deficits

I still use her as B1-B3 combo for boss killing

[orchid fractal]

Ein can help you win Mother Whale in Missilis 360F btw

[potent pivot]

wow! must c7!

[neat island]

what type is

mother whale weak to

chapter

[orchid fractal]

always Electric

thx god you don't meet it much

one of the most annoying bosses

along with C32 which I will meet, I don't know, may be next Summer

[plain zinc]

You think it's a joke waiting for sync

Wait till you get to ch32 hard boss

[neat island]

nice we can use ein for motherwhale then

[plain zinc]

A minimum wait of 60 levels is insane

[neat island]

she can handle the mob probably with doro

[plain zinc]

Only our lord and saviour of campaign, nalaniko, managed to do it under lvl500

No other person yet

32 boss

I think crown liter Rh SAnis alice

I'm pretty confident that it isn't random

His Alice and Rh are definitely 8 black lines each

[reef forum]

actually 8 black lines? jesus how many rocks did that take?

[plain zinc]

I was ultimately lying but I can for sure say this guy funneled at least a year worth of rocks into his Rh, Alice, and a couple other units

So like 5-6 units got a year worth of rocks

[reef forum]

ah

not a bad investment

[urban river]

Good investment tbh

J'ai la crème de la crème

[noble shoal]

The cream of the crop

[urban river]

[hot talon]

anyone tested on hard cc how good she is?

[lusty pine]

I haven’t had the chance. I tried, but with Ein in a weak state

By the time I decided I liked her, hard CC was already over for me

She can’t compete with Modernia or Red Hood, obviously

But she’s a rare one that is good at both bosses and pretty decent at wave stages, so if you have a Solo Raid ready Ein as a carry, she should be able to melt electric-weak stages

Just, not hit count barriers

I think rather nice at Base Defense battles

Especially if the zone sitter is heavily armored, but not if it’s wanting piercing

Which is when there are two heavily armored zone sitters lined up

But you can just try to alternate with Red Hood for that

Compared to a Solo Raid ready Summer Sakura, should do much better in campaign waves

[hot talon]

thanks for the writeup, just cleared elysion 325 defense stage with some heavy armored elites, elysion could use someone like her

[compact mist]

if someone from maincord doesnt think it’s datamine then I think it’s fine here

[urban river]

Hi lads, are you talking about datamine stuff again?

[woeful lark]

I'm not

[compact mist]

hmm she’s in the video that plays in the Ein pull menu

[urban river]

[urban river]

Who?

[compact mist]

so I guess she’s confirmed to appear at some point

[compact mist]

[burnt schooner]

that's all there is, nothing else. we only know she exists

[urban river]

Say her name

[lusty pine]

It’s a gray area, but I apologize for not thinking clearly

It’s as if I thought everywhere was Eden

[woeful lark]

Understandable

[urban river]

Backing to normal thread

Did you give a doll to Ein?

[lusty pine]

No, but I took stock of my dolls thinking what to do

… I noticed I had 5 blue SMG dolls

[woeful lark]

I gave a doll to her, but can't level it yet

Waiting on SR SR dolls for Frima/Exia

[urban river]

I'm stuck in SR lvl 12 lappy

[lusty pine]

I want to save all the dolls for a while now because I honestly don’t know what to do about them other than give SR to current treasure pursuits

[urban river]

I did the whole way from lvl 5 to lvl 12

[lusty pine]

Atm have Frima treasure and actually might be able to get Laplace treasure if I go for it

And already had Diesel treasure

Now that I said that about Laplace treasure, I’m probably jinxed

[urban river]

I'm doing lappy but I'm not gonna spend in her rn

[dusk snow]

Just need to ask. Does her passive work with Tove's Burst Skill?

nevermind, i just commited the stupid

[oak violet]

wat

[still storm]

he just committed the stupid

[lusty pine]

Tested Ein on lvl10 Alexander (electric-weak boss) in Union Raid. She barely lost to S.Anis

654m Ein

• 10/10/10
• MLB, 80% ele dmg
  682m S.Anis
• 10/10/9
• MCB, 33% ele dmg, 20% atk
  415m Scarlet (non-burster)
• 10/10/10
• MCB, 10% ele dmg, 13% atk

My takeaway from the test is if you liked S.Anis and were happy with her in all the things you brought her to, then you’ll probably be just as happy with Ein

I figure the main reason she didn’t stomp S.Anis despite higher ele dmg is because of MLB vs MCB difference

And, I forgot to check, but I think shotgun has range bonus vs Alexander a lot of the time
Edit: Checked, no SG range bonus. It’s AR instead. Oops

[wintry rampart]

It just proves that Scarlet is still the best

Measurement characters

[potent pivot]

you used crown here?

[lusty pine]

Dorothy + Crown, yeah

[potent pivot]

because crown is biased to dps who bursts

so scarlet’s score is understated

[lusty pine]

I guess I could run another test sometime with Dorothy + S.Rosanna or something

[potent pivot]

better use something neutral like marci/mast/rco

[lusty pine]

But, it was mainly to compete between Ein and S.Anis

Idk, the premise I was working with is Ein + S.Anis no matter what

Which meant because of S.Anis, bunnies were out

And because of Tia & Naga favoring other bursters, schoolgirls were out too

Though... with Naga being electric, hmm

Schoolgirls actually plausible if don't want to squeeze in Scarlet getting buffed

Regardless, redistribution of electric Nikkes in Solo Raid will mess with this anyway

[clever ledge]

stfu onii chan

noo way u are 32ch hard

[final kite]

so I need 10/10/10 ein?

[lusty pine]

7/7/7 is passable

Can just stop there and fence sit

[lusty pine]

So not really

[final kite]

hmmmmmmm

imma climb tower with 7/7/7 for now

[woeful lark]

For relevancy, yeah. For being meta changing, nah

[urban river]

The best in pvp

And hard campaign

At least she is still useful not like harran who died when people cross to late game

[tulip crater]

Harran my scythe waifu ;-;

[urban river]

[woeful lark]

Except Noah exists

[urban river]

DPS...

Her thorns make her a monster

[woeful lark]

Only her nuke is problematic

I find Emilia much more annoying to deal with

S Anis is best PvP DPS imo

[knotty oak]

Hey guys, is Ein ideal for Missillis tower? Running Liter/Schoolgirls/Maxwell/Laplace (treasure) right now

[neat island]

Strongest dps for missiles tower behind t+ laplace

Or probably better

[plain zinc]

Basically same value uniy

Laplace Maxwell and Ein all good

[neat island]

Kilo was a bait to use my mats almost for missiles alone

[lusty pine]

If you already have and built up Maxwell & Laplace, it’s probably redundant to bring in Ein and gear her up to their level

But you can still do so, Ein has some advantages so you can use for certain battles the usual duo has trouble with

But if this is the only thing you care about when considering Ein, then would suggest 1 copy and just sitting on her until the day comes when you realize you’re stuck in Missilis tower because no Ein

[fast salmon]

Im gonna use ein laplace for missilis tower

[lusty pine]

Then it’s not too late to gear up Ein at that time

For most of us, Ein being tower strong is a bonus

[noble shoal]

What's the ideal team for Ein to be in?

[lusty pine]

She is self-sufficient and just needs to be able to burst, in any team. But for synergy purposes, you’d want her to be with Summer Anis. Summer Anis buffs for Electric are nice

Some are thinking of Frima or Exia with Ein, but not sure it’s well tested yet

[noble shoal]

ah ok. Got it

[reef forum]

which is more efficient, letting Ein full charge each shot or just spamming it?

spamming is still more dmg even if her S2 gives extra charge dmg on full charge?

nodders

[orchid fractal]

it depends on

how much you wanna risk

[lusty pine]

Have we truly abandoned the art of the one handed Nikke gaming?

[brisk kelp]

was thinking to just skip and pull later, should i get 1 copy of her atleast?

[rich heart]

RIP Scarlet, lose to half build Ein

[fast salmon]

midlet is truly dead

cant believe people did hundreds of rerrolls for that fraud

[lusty pine]

Yeah if you’re a new account today

You pull for Ein, not reroll for Scarlet

Surprisingly Ein’s AoE is not that bad in campaign

But you’d still reroll

You reroll for Crown

Well, maybe not. Red Hood, Modernia…

I temporarily forgot about those two

Taking them too for granted

[orchid fractal]

It's about time to update Meta Team story

bye Shitlet

Ein it is

[potent pivot]

when you try to stall for 40s cd rh b1 to be up again but you have ein

[orchid fractal]

leave that mob alone

I said, leave that mob alone

[potent pivot]

when you have to precook crown 20 stacks for the final wave but you have ein

[lusty pine]

Tbh it’s not that terrible

I checked Near Feather jumping a random barely-blue-power enemy

It took down about 15% of its hp

At that rate you’d need 7 Feather hits to kill it. If it’s once every 2 seconds, it’s 14 seconds. And that’s barely blue power. 10% deficit is 35% stats nerf.

So if it’s full hp, you probably have around 30+ seconds before it dies to the Feather

RIP if you’re trying to hold back during Ein’s burst though

[urban river]

New account pull for Ein and reroll for Red hood

[rigid elm]

people like to shit on Scarlet so much..

[urban river]

Scarlet is ok

[rigid elm]

i mean she carry a lot of old players back in the day

and it's their turn to shit talk on her

[urban river]

Shit talk on her is ok, is a game bro she doesn't exist

[rigid elm]

"SHE'S REAL TO ME" some guys maybe

[urban river]

XD

Don't worry people still love scarlet

[final kite]

so many ppl are saying rip scatlet while they’re forced to put her in both raid and pvp

[noble shoal]

Yea she is still a necessity in this solo raid, since you need an electric type

Mostly as a separate build

[woeful lark]

scatlet is the biggest insult to Scarlet I think I've seen

[wintry rampart]

So trix, is ein meta?

Like, an all around electric meta?

[orchid fractal]

meta

[wintry rampart]

Must pull?

[potent pivot]

2% banner vs 0.233% wishlist. you decide

[final kite]

it’s not a must pull when you ask is it a must pull

[still storm]

seems to be electric team meta, so pull if you care about SR

[wintry rampart]

Got it. Thanks, looks like I'm gonna aim for her

[lyric vault]

https://tenor.com/view/scatman-john-scatman-scatmans-world-skibidi-bum-du-du-du-gif-14752774

[limpid crest]

just get all of them

simply be lucky

[lusty pine]

Speaking of this This was supposed to be a controlled “team in full cover” test and I sorta forgot that just maybe Mirror Container would die 1 minute into fight thanks to Ein drones

[thick sand]

i want to use ein but these rolls are impossible to work with

what is the chance to low roll both 50% and 30% 4 times in a row lmao

[compact mist]

1.5%

[fast salmon]

completely uunrelated, check out these lines i just got on Ein

guys you're not gonna believe this

[thick sand]

damn that's crazy

[urban river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shake-gif-19831790

[noble shoal]

That is the most copium I've ever seen

Worse than my scarletBS

[alpine spruce]

so how is ein's performance in pvp?

[frigid wind]

eh she's fine

[final kite]

got 0 ele on ein

[urban river]

midlet has 0 ele and ein 56

then

neutral

ein 11 atk midlet 0

so imo they are 1-1

use scarlet in raids with AR bonus

user ein in raids with SR bonus

forgot Ein is 7/7/7 midlet 10/7/8

less 1 burst

sanis burst xd

good ols for 12 rocks

ein is raid ultra recommended

[hallow grove]

you missed me calling Shadow Scarlet
Shart

[delicate halo]

Skibidi scatlet

[urban river]

Time to mald

[vocal lodge]

How is Ein’s performance in this SR?

[fast heath]

practically made for her

[lyric vault]

Easily has the highest score among all the teams

[urban river]

Raid created only for her

Gg SU

[orchid fractal]

who would have thought

[urban river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shake-gif-19831790

[vocal lodge]

@lyric vault is ein worth 7/7/7 for the long haul after this raid?

[lyric vault]

She even replaced my favorite item Laplace for Missilis tower, so she isn't made only for this raid

Definetely worth it, but only do so if you really don't have any other priority unit left to get to recommened investment

[vocal lodge]

Dang really? She’s that much better than Laplace?

[urban river]

1-1 Lappy imo

[vocal lodge]

I haven’t done ssakura (1/1/1), SRosanna (1/1/1), or privaty (4/1/1). My entire shotgun team (balice, tove, Leona, mpriv, bsoda) is also 1/1/1. But they don’t seem to do much in this raid anyway. Should I just go for ein?

[lyric vault]

She easily goes above S.Sakura for investment, we will update the priority list once Zwei kit releases

You can keep Ein at 7/7/4 if you really need the mats somewhere else

[vocal lodge]

Gotcha

[vocal lodge]

Is zwei projected to be meta? I thought she will be a healer

[lyric vault]

Cannot really say she will until we see the kit , which should be tonight for NA

[vocal lodge]

Ok

I’ll wait to invest for now

[neat island]

laplace and ein good together on the defense zone

and some other stages

using mw on some stages just not fun at all

[lyric vault]

My MW just deletes anything that can withstand more than a second of my other units shooting

[sly drum]

My MW hasn't left Syuen's dungeon yet

[lusty pine]

MW’s everything is in her burst shot too if not buffing someone else. Her kit is not exciting

Laplace:

Ein: Drones!

But, MW will still be especially good for some fights

Just because of popping a target the moment they show up

[alpine spruce]

do you still use treasure laplace anywhere?

[fast salmon]

treasure laplace and ein are a better missilis tower comp imo

[thick sand]

[rigid elm]

[burnt schooner]

[frigid wind]

[urban river]

[lilac whale]

Is ein Burst Gen low

it feels lower than RH

[urban river]

Emmm imo they have the same burst gen

[compact mist]

they have the same gen but RH pierces stuff

[urban river]

Maybe Rh self buff in charge speed makes the difference

[compact mist]

oh yeah

[urban river]

I mean, Rh 250% with stack in 10

But yeah basically are the same

Just click faster

[lilac whale]

so RH pierce prob

and self charge speed

makes sense

[agile linden]

lmao

[lean relic]

Ein skill 1 or 2 to level 10 first?

[plain zinc]

S1 is atk buff so prolly that since either affects everything

S2 is true damage part

[lean relic]

Ok, thank you!

[frigid wind]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fierce bolt]

Nerfed

[jade dew]

Just came back from vacation, how stronk is ein?

[urban river]

three words

Necessary for anomaly

[hot talon]

how do you maximize player her, full auto on non burst and fast click during burst?

[agile linden]

always spam

its more dps

[hot talon]

what's the point of her 2nd skill then

the charge buff

[agile linden]

they tried to make her auto good

its just spamming with infinite ammo is broken

[tranquil grove]

We invest in S2 because of the Feather damage

[urban river]

4,5/s Ein is crazy

[covert drift]

is S1 or S2 more important

[orchid fractal]

S3

[plain zinc]

S1 buff S2 and burst
S2 buff true damage

Iirc S1 is atk buff so yeah

S1 more diluted

Just do S2 > S1

[tranquil grove]

Does Ein use Resilience or Bastion (ended up with 130% ammo) with Fast Charge

[potent pivot]

resil because most of the time she’s paired with ass

[tranquil grove]

right

[shrewd rock]

is ein really need that huge investment?

[rare vine]

Powercrept.

Goodbye Ein.

You will be missed (and used only during Electric Raid).

[heavy sparrow]

she still good to use for Missilis tower at least

[lusty pine]

Ein’s still good to keep around to help vs Mirror Container and Behemoth battles

Also, still good in Missilis Tower

Don’t be going writing her off so quickly

[delicate halo]

Nein

[agile linden]

if your ein is good enough

its stil the best 2nd dps on mirror

[neat island]

ein still good for campaign than cinderella from my experience so far.

stages not boss

[woeful lark]

That'll probably change once Cindy gets bugfixed

Until then though, Cindy is boss only

[hallow grove]

can anyone give me a run down of how Ein works to attempt her simulation

basically just how many times her feather attack inside and outside of burst

@plain zinc @woeful lark

[woeful lark]

Too long for me to remember now, but pretty sure it's at least 20 hits in burst. @orchid fractal may remember numbers better

Outside of burst, she starts with four feathers that are kind of lazy and disappear over time. During burst, she gets two more and gives them catnip so they go crazy

[hallow grove]

thankies

[rare vine]

Raon why ignoring me

[hallow grove]

?

[hallow grove]

solid
thanks

boss with stupidly higher def ein gonna do more ofc

[heavy sparrow]

Looks like Ein still has a place in lightning meta based on Cinderella’s current condition

[neat island]

shes like second best dps, far from over

electric

[delicate halo]

Shes not going away any time soon at least in my missilis tower

[azure kindle]

Shes literally my only good missilus dps 😭

[dark frigate]

i have my ein at 7/7/7

i can't get her to 10/10/10 right away, but i want to start somewhere, where do I start?

[plain zinc]

S2 probs

S2, burst, s1

Or S2 S1 burst

[dark frigate]

thanks

[plain zinc]

.

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/140552173

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245939636702810225/1387068538417713152/1e62f2e72b7800b73bdd3c0f27d65d15ef5a83886db5acca5666399714d72760.mp4?ex=685bffbe&is=685aae3e&hm=3cf3257922212bf462cf2f52a34e83c426ac11a6c95483c3fc2960b2546ebccf&

Translated:

A bug has been discovered after a recent patch involving Ein's "Feather" skill, which normally deals ignore-defense damage (meaning it should deal high, consistent damage regardless of enemy defense).

Ein is known for her burst AoE and her feather dealing around 90% of her final ATK as ignore-defense damage, making her especially useful in high-level content where enemies have massive defense boosts.

However, after the patch (likely due to changes to Raven’s damage-over-time mechanic), Ein’s ignore-defense damage is bugged and now shows “1 damage” — which should never happen under normal conditions.

The bug appears when fighting at stage 38 hard mode boss, under typical debuffed conditions (no buffs, full power penalty).

This is serious for players who rely on Ein to clear endgame content like special raids or for farming gear — especially those without complete character collections.```

[violet phoenix]

what kind of CP penalty is that under?

I'm pretty sure at a certain point the CP penalty basically sets your stats to nothing

but you need to be very CP suppressed

[plain zinc]

sync 553 i wonder how bad it could be

@low knot can u talk to that guy and ask his cp deficit?

can u ask him to show cp screen?

say what

this doesnt feel real

[rigid elm]

can't we test the character ourselves on a boss since the post claims it is a problem for farming daily gear

[plain zinc]

is any1 on gluttony rn

[rigid elm]

i can search through discord posts and see

0 mentions of anyone being at ch38 hard or gluttony boss

[low knot]

Post Title: After the Raven patch, Ain’s Feather ignore-defense damage isn’t working. It’s a dumb bug lol
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As everyone knows, Ain is the one true light of the ignore-defense damage mechanic.
Her Burst AoE and Feather skill deal around 90% of her final ATK as ignore-defense damage.

This means even in super high CP-difference hard stages, as long as you survive the entry, she can just slam through everything with ignore-defense damage.

She’s basically a goddess in Electric Ukko hard stages.

Unless the Rapture boss has weird gimmicks like 100% damage reduction, hit count mechanics, or other quirks,
no matter how high the enemy defense is, she should NEVER be hitting for 1 damage,
because Ain’s ATK stat isn’t 1, right? lol

Basically, if Ain has 100,000 ATK, she should always hit for 90,000 minimum.

BUT… just look at this video:
Ain’s Feather is dealing 1 damage. For real. LMAO

For reference, this is hard mode chapter 38 final boss,
with max CP penalty applied,
no buff characters, no ATK cube equipped — all conditions are correctly set up for testing.

It’s likely that when they tweaked Raven’s damage-over-time,
it accidentally messed with Ain’s Feather calculation, and now it’s bugged.

Here’s Ain’s spec for reference:
With max CP penalty (about -40%),
and full Burst + self-ATK buff (~70%),
her effective ATK becomes 296,351.

Feather is supposed to deal:

90% ignore-defense damage,

with ~50% ignore-defense damage boost,
So roughly 0.9 × 1.5 = 135%, or about 400,000 damage per Feather hit is normal.

People are already camping in front of Modernia Controller —
Try testing it. You’ll see the damage isn’t landing properly anymore. lol

And this is not just a minor issue.
Ain is a solid DPS pick even for non-whale players with full character collections.
She’s very viable in this Solo Raid, and some players are actually using her to barely clear their highest floors.

Especially those parked in front of Modernia Controller right now,
who are desperately using Ain to grind armor parts —
they’re now getting completely screwed over.
😂😂😂

This is a real-time bug actively harming players right now.
It’s no joke. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I use chatgpt to translate

[plain zinc]

whats this, max cp penalty?

bro this guy is trolling

if the cp deficit is that high every character does 1 dmg

[rich heart]

@plain zinc he use shit teams, his cp must be very low lmao

[rigid elm]

my ein works perfectly fine vs mirror container

does not seem bugged

[low knot]

I guess that means, SU fixed Ein

surely she doesn't meant to do damage with that high CP

[violet phoenix]

once you cross 50% CP deficit

the amount of stat reduction spikes again

you lose over 90% of your stats by hitting 50% CP deficit

[violet phoenix]

that normally happens as your atk is reduced so much that it's lower than enemy defense, which results in doing only 1 damage, true damage should bypass that

unless you're so CP suppressed that you have basically 1 atk

[plain zinc]

yeah im pretty sure with 60% cp deficit, as this guy is suggesting, u do 1 damage

[shut cloak]

has this been reported in maincord

[plain zinc]

this isnt a bug

its a false alarm

OP doesnt know how the ingame formula works

[rich heart]

Makima Elegg Yan most likely no OL

So yeah most likely Ein atk stat is 1 lol

[compact mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008356673464844358/1309974386694033448/PvE_Stat_Penalty.png?ex=67438837&is=674236b7&hm=a6af4d0d8a66f26f04a01e82e2c5c7786064e6722f4e50d43284a5141728309e&

above 55% deficit shouldnt even let you enter the stage

[violet phoenix]

hmm, if it actually caps at a 90% reduction then he should still do some damage

[compact mist]

[urban river]

Solved

[compact mist]

I'll report him for fraud for having a pre-patch mini game high score

[oak violet]

is it bugged or nah

[compact mist]

well, should a ~15k base attack Ein do 1 damage on story gluttony

[plain zinc]

the true damage should deal more than one damage

technically speaking

[plain zinc]

maybe but nothing relevant enough to affect your experience

[oak violet]

not with true dmg

unless theres something else at play

[compact mist]

actually I don't remember how atk is caculated with CP penalty and buffs

maybe it's more than 15k

[plain zinc]

its just flat reduction

Base Damage = ( ( Base ATK * ( 1 + ATK buffs ) * ( 1 - CP Penalty ) ) - DEF + ( Caster's ATK Buff % × Caster's ATK ) + ( Final/Caster's HP × HP->ATK Conversion %) ) × Weapon/Skill Multiplier

[compact mist]

oh he sent his attack stat as well, its much higher than I thought

[oak violet]

i mean nomatter what u do if ur atk isnt 1 u cant get a % reduction down to 1 unless ur hitting like 100% reduction in which case everything is 1

since ur ignoring def right

it could be a thing with deficit, can just test if true dmg is working on bosses/range via math

only atk

264611*1.097 = 290278.267
290278.267* .9081 = 263601.69

actually why dont i just defense shred it and see if that gives dmg up

[violet phoenix]

"fixes" a single unit's DoT
breaks an entire damage category

[oak violet]

that should be ~100 atk difference right?
263511/.9081 = 290178.39
263601/0.9081 = 290277.5

[plain zinc]

this is definitely fucked

[oak violet]

and matches this 263601 (with shred)

[plain zinc]

its factoring in def somehow

true damage is false damage now

op is correct

i apologise op

[fast heath]

snake really was trolling

[compact mist]

is it only for Ein? or true damage as a whole

[lusty pine]

How RIP

[tranquil grove]

Ugh my Missilis tower

[oak violet]

test laplace for me i dont want to look at number spam to find the right number

[sly drum]

is Laplace dead too?

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-laplace-laplace-nikke-gif-6950775314316122204

[plain zinc]

isnt laplace first hit a true damage nuke?

[oak violet]

isnt her entire extra tick true dmg only

on the burst

@orchid fractal lapchan fan come confirm

i dont have treasure does that change it

[orchid fractal]

what

all laplace dmg after she presses burst = true dmg

ALL

[oak violet]

Can u check if it works

My Laplace has no treasure

[woeful lark]

Laplace has always done full true damage on burst

Treasure doubles laser length

[lusty pine]

Have to stack her Hero Vision first

If it's not fully stacked, it will not be "all true damage"

[woeful lark]

Well yeah

But even pre-treasure, that works

[compact mist]

1st screenshot without full stacks

[violet phoenix]

[lusty pine]

So Laplace is successfully indeed doing true damage

What's wrong with Ein then?

Drones sabotaged?

[autumn kayak]

Lmao only ein issue then

[woeful lark]

Yeah, direct damage from Laplace probably fine, while the separate damage dealing entities that are the feathers are messed up

[versed bane]

Eh, isn't it doing what it should be doing?

[oak violet]

i logged in to look

getting gaslit

[versed bane]

....looks fine to me

[compact mist]

ok I was a bit stupid and didn't test with max deficit as I shouldve done, still its not 1

no idea what the expected value is though

[oak violet]

107134 =/= 107043

atleast last i learned math it wasnt

shooting range only has a little def so any small change is relevant

[compact mist]

yea

[versed bane]

1st hit always 107043, and same amount upon hit later

[oak violet]

right so why isnt it 107134 as per ur calculator

[versed bane]

[oak violet]

the SS i showed above is using mast to strip defense to get back to expected value

[oak violet]

thats not full true dmg tho thats the additional hit right

treasure turns the top part true dmg

[woeful lark]

Oh woops, only just saw your comment

My b, was aimed at Snake who said single true hit

I meant that all damage ticks have true

[oak violet]

[woeful lark]

Wording is hard

[oak violet]

so i guess laplace is working?

[woeful lark]

But yeah, Laplace seems unaffected from my tests, too

Poor Ein

[oak violet]

i guess i may finally get laplace treasured this SR

[woeful lark]

Random casualty of an entirely unrelated mechanic getting fixed

[oak violet]

when people said mihara was going to get nuked from nerf

they actually meant ein

i guess

[sly drum]

https://tenor.com/view/never_ending-gif-24810109

Literally this happened

[lusty pine]

Dev1: "When we fixed the bug, the hot character got nerfed"
Dev2: "Oh no, let's make it so a random non-hot character gets nerfed"
Dev1: "Bet"
...
Dev2: "Oh no, you nerfed Ein!"

[sly drum]

Ein enjoyers are a minority anyways

She’ll be forever broken

[woeful lark]

Jokes on you: high school girls are prime real estate in Japan

The country where women above 27 have been considered no longer marriable

[unkempt shuttle]

#1387117456912289823 message Issue thread about the bug posted in maincord

[woeful lark]

Ein ruined, time for skill reset tokens?

[idle river]

Bros my Laplace?

She does true damage too

[unkempt shuttle]

Laplace seems unaffected

[idle river]

Remember to do your SR asap so you clear it before they close it again

[orchid fractal]

I don't recall old Lappy

but Treasure Lappy I did my homework

[grizzled echo]

I'm at 32-33(MC hard)

[regal galleon]

cooked

[grizzled echo]

are they fixing the bug?

[idle river]

Yeah the SBS one

We should all play Ein team when they reopen SR so they have to close it again

[hot talon]

was the bug fixed?

[fast heath]

yes true damage is true and not false anymore

[lusty pine]

The truth of false was made false and thus what was once false is now true

[tranquil grove]

why is Ein worth Fast Shooting specifically during her own B3?

[woeful lark]

Hm, recently, she hasn't fired at all during her burst (to exploit Miranda's treasure)

Before that, it's because of how Crown's buffs altered her kit's DPS balance iirc

[tranquil grove]

what about in missilis tower where neither of those options exist?

[woeful lark]

A good question that I'll defer to someone more qualified Due to a lot of laziness in the past, I'm stuck in blue CP in manu towers for probably the next year, so it's all auto I don't even use Ein for it

[compact mist]

I think the damage gain from fast shooting is just more valuable than whatever buffs she gains from full charging

[compact mist]

tbh I’ve been doing it every day and I can barely get out of blue cp either and thats without even buying event retries

battled MC on like 1% deficit

[oak violet]

spamming wins out with reload speed

when u have 100% reload speed u get 4 shots a second = 400% increase vs less than 1 shots per second at 250+80 + 140.68 = 470% charge dmg, the delay between shots basically puts it behind (although close)

but when you start accounting for increased reload time spam loses out(which is cured by reload speed)

[shut cloak]

does ein have any use for new cube

[woeful lark]

I believe it's her best cube in theory, since she doesn't care much about resi/basion (especially when idling in Miranda comp)

but gotta get it up to the same level as the others or you're burning element buffs

[tranquil grove]

Does Jackal's burst affect Ein's feathers?

[oak violet]

no because its not burst skill damage

but also idk why u would want to use jackal on it