#Min-maxing doll upgrade

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sudden fossil
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Thinking SR 5 everything is wise.

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But no.

bitter notch
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I mean, I did this one always

regal sphinx
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So far I’ve done the following:
Start with R0 doll.

  • purples until R5
  • purples until R10
  • gold to R15

Upgrade to SR5 doll.

  • blues > purples until SR6.
  • golds until SR10.
  • blues > purples until SR11.
  • golds until SR15.
bitter notch
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But Laplace took me till SR 14

sudden fossil
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A lot of people surprisingly and unknowingly do Route 1.

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Because they keep upgrading to SR 5.

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For everyone.

regal sphinx
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And, I think perhaps I’m a tad lucky. Because I win with the golds.

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Super success.

sudden fossil
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And thus they are out of blues to even use blues for SR 10.

bitter notch
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I just built Rh Alice and SBS lvl 5 SR

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Then Laplace and exia SR 15 now

sudden fossil
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It takes like 335 blues on average from SR 5 to 10.

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But from R 0 to SR 5 it's only 182.1/228 depending on whether it's from R doll or directly.

bitter notch
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So what is the best route WorryLurk

sudden fossil
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Second route.

bitter notch
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The one that I'm doing, but I'm not lucky at all xD

regal sphinx
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How many blues does it take? You said 182 for R0 to R15, but what about after upgrading to SR5 and trying to blue to SR10?

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Oh you answered already

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182 + 335 = 517 blues in total

sudden fossil
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  • Treasure units that you want to build always go first in priority.
  • Primary units should be queued for SR 15: Red Hood, Alice, SBS.
  • Everyone else is either SR 0 instantly to save blue mats or SR 5 if you want to play with your resources (in my maths, you can do this once every 2.11 months). But, to be fair, only the likes of Asuka are worth SR 5 in this sense.
bitter notch
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I'm gonna stop rerolling dispatch more than 3 times, is not helping at all

regal sphinx
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What? Didn’t you calculate it saves blue mats to go R15 first then upgrade to SR5?

sudden fossil
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But instant SR is better.

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If you don't plan to upgrade it.

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Aka give SR and ditch.

regal sphinx
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Oh so if just wanting to slap a boost on a character

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Okay, that answered my other lazy question

sudden fossil
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So you have to decide.

regal sphinx
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👍

bitter notch
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Aka pvp units, instant SR

sudden fossil
regal sphinx
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One second as I go distribute my 5 RL SR0 dolls

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I’m waiting for Champion Arena before acting on that

bitter notch
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The whale arena

sudden fossil
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My plan is:

  • Super meta units deserve SR 15.
  • Treasure units that are super meta deserve SR 15.
  • Good units who scale well deserve SR 5 (Asuka, Scarlet, SAnis, BunnySoda, PrivM, Ein).
  • MGs get instant SR 0 because who the fuck needs Max Ammo?
bitter notch
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Mg doll is kek

sudden fossil
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Hmm...

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Maybe Alice to 15 is the best for me rn.

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For Raid.

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@regal sphinx One specific thing to mention. In terms of economy, second route is less efficient.

bitter notch
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If u r aiming at +top 200 yeah, Alice Sr 15 and asuka Sr 5

sudden fossil
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You trade efficiency

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for 1 more SR 15.

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Whether that is a good thing.

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That depends on you.

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Or you can do a mix of both.

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If you are unsure, first route is safest.

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Because you can, well, wait for some months, then second route will eventually be possible.

bitter notch
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Imma ask again if momo can fund me

sudden fossil
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I don't expect them to release OP treasure units.

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But if they do,

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We are totally fucked for real.

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That is why I am scared of pushing Alice to SR 15.

bitter notch
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Well anomaly changed the priority for most players

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Then: imma built viper or Laplace they seems good units

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Now: fuck i need Alice and Rh to reach stage 7

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Because I can't stay in kraken forever

sudden fossil
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Maxwell?

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SW?

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Low value SR 15s?

bitter notch
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Rh+snow if you aim stage 9

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Rh+Maxwell to stage 7 comfy

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Maxwell Sr 5 enough

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Rh 15 comfy

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I mean, fuck is something that everyone is doing every day, we have to work in the best comfy comp xD

sudden fossil
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Cus I cant even Stage 4.

bitter notch
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Well comfy didn't exist, you need good ele lines on them

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But Maxwell is fast charging and buffing rh

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I saw stage 7 with good Rh and maxwell

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Stage 9 only Rh+snow or snow alone hyper buffed black ele lines

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Too much offtopic

grand jay
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Which one to burn first, purple or gold?

sudden fossil
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Every 2.11 months, on average, you get just barely enough purple and gold to get to SR 15 from 10. Solo color.

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Literally no buffer.

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For either color.

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Lmao.

glacial robin
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I always do 10 gold, 20 purple, 50 blue pattern for SR dolls

sudden fossil
grand jay
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Ah burn evrything to appease rngesus then

glacial robin
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Essentially always increasing by 1000 exp

sudden fossil
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Ah you use the padding technique

glacial robin
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10 gold to cope for high %

sudden fossil
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Its actually not efficient above SR 5

glacial robin
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20 purple to save gold while coping more

sudden fossil
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But I think

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Let me grab my maths

glacial robin
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I have 4 treasures and 4 meta units to SR15, so

sudden fossil
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You can technically use blues on SR 10 to 15

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To save even more gold

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But you will get imbalance

glacial robin
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My approach relies on super successes

sudden fossil
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Honestly the best balance for the amount of Purple:Gold in your inventory is 2.5:1.

glacial robin
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But it's optimized to abuse them

sudden fossil
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If yours is at 2.5:1, you are safe.

sudden fossil
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But you might be the lucky few

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To even get 8 SR 15

bitter notch
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Are your maths considering only solo raid boxes or dispatch too?

glacial robin
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But so much of the system is RNG that ultimately one has to go with what they're given

grand jay
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The best approach is to obviously just to use 30 blue to trigger 3 successive super success from SR 0 -> 15

regal sphinx
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Let’s see… for me:
Treasure: Laplace, Frima, Exia, Diesel.
SRX: Nobody.
R15: 1.

And I have left…
16 gold
58 purple
482 blue.

I don’t see getting 4 more units to SR15 KEKS

glacial robin
bitter notch
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Question for kisenix

glacial robin
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Ahh

sudden fossil
bitter notch
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Oh

sudden fossil
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For "mt kits per month"

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He said no rerolls

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Well youre destined to reroll every once a few days

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Depending on the look of the 10 dispatches

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And also the dolls

bitter notch
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Because there are people with all treasures and a lot of SR 15

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Are they rerolling till X2 golden boxes?

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I guess yes

regal sphinx
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I mean

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If you whale hard enough

sudden fossil
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My technique is:

  • If ≥3 Dolls are bad, and Open Slots == 5, consider resetting.
  • If Open Slots ≥6, reset.
regal sphinx
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Everyday is at least x6 gold boxes if you ditch the final dispatch

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10 days = 60 gold

sudden fossil
bitter notch
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Holy gems

sudden fossil
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Not ideal.

bitter notch
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Well there are people who don't care about gems

sudden fossil
glacial robin
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Small whale comparitvely

bitter notch
glacial robin
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Sync level 425-ish

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I strategically spend

bitter notch
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Well Texas boy is 409 and he started 6 months after me, now he has all treasures xD

glacial robin
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Like I definitely won't be core maxing all NGE units without using mileage

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Might just leave Mari at MLB to save mileage for potential double Pilgrim at anniversary

regal sphinx
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Double Pilgrim AdmiOno

glacial robin
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But getting back on topic, I don't super refresh

bitter notch
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I personally haven't bought the maintenance kits packs when they sold it

glacial robin
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I'll take 40 boxes, 60 boxes, any gold boxes, any gold kits, and triple purple kits

glacial robin
bitter notch
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Maybe I should have bought one of them

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I bought my monthly gems pack

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The one with 3300 gems

woeful kettle
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3.6 lv 15 sr dolls so far with dispatch reset how am i doing?

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jovial siren
woeful kettle
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I only upgraded it because it was my first sr doll and i didnt have any other choice

sudden fossil
bitter notch
obsidian basalt
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💀

quaint flume
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which kit do I use to level SR 0?

frigid hill
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blue

quaint flume
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with 3.6% success rate? ExuStare

frigid hill
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if you dont use blue here you'll never use blue anywhere

desert berry
dense cave
frigid hill
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well thats just bad blue usage

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blue is best used earlier

glacial robin
frigid hill
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he’s asking for SR0 so

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no R doll to upgrade

glacial robin
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For that Nikke Xeniathink

sudden fossil
bitter notch
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1 gold+4 purple per try/lvl you mean?

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Rule 3

quaint flume
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rule 2 looks crazy enough kekw

sudden fossil
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No dispatch rerolls

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And gambaing R dolls likely will give u extra purple mats

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Making it 23 + 103, 33 + 83, or 43 + 63.

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This strategy however still leaves around 40-50 blues available per month

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Which is a safe measure/padding

sudden fossil
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Average Values for This Strategy
To see if you are lucky or not.

R 0 -> 15: ~180 blues on average.
SR 0 -> 5: ~223 blues on average.
SR 5 -> 10: ~336 blues on average.
SR 10 -> 15: ~20 golds + 80 purples (103.7%)

regal sphinx
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Basically the overall plan, and just feed blues before SR10

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And never go past SR0 if don’t want SR15 doll on that unit

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And never use R0 if you just want SR0 for that unit

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Easy enough to remember, thanks for the calculations and the effort ❤️

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**This is outdated unless you simply prefer it more, because dispatch strategies have evolved, and people can get more kits than never rerolling.

New doll upgrading strategy can be found at #1247084307332464670 message, this strategy was first shared elsewhere by at least Tsukino and Kisenix.**

~~Allegedly most efficient doll leveling strategy:

  • Credit to Kisenix for sharing this.
  • Based on no-rerolls dispatch!
  1. SR0 for units that you don’t want to level to SR15.
  2. R0 for units you want to level to SR15 .
  3. Only blue kits to level R0 to SR10 .
  4. 10 gold kits + 40 purple kits leveling SR10 to SR15, per phase.

Average Values for This Strategy
To see if you are lucky or not.

R 0 -> 15: ~180 blues on average.
(skip if did R0->R15 and exchanged to SR5) SR 0 -> 5: ~223 blues on average.
SR 5 -> 10: ~336 blues on average.
SR 10 -> 15: ~20 golds + 80 purples (103.7%)~~

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Better

maiden elm
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remind me again, 180 blues here means 180 attempts (1800 kits)? or 18 attempt? (I wish kekw )

wintry sparrow
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18 attempts, it's impossible to spend 1 800 kits to R0 -> 15 even if you're the unluckiest guy in the world, since every 5 try / 50 kits your doll will gain one level kekw

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That being said SR 5 -> 10 seems the most nightmarish with this strat', it's gambling at its finest BlancStare

maiden elm
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Then this one:

SR 10 -> 15 ~golds +8 purples
Means use gold 2 times, then purple all the way to max?

Damn I need to practice patience looking at spare purple and not use it on SR 5~10

frigid hill
carmine leaf
obsidian basalt
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think last part is supposed to be 20 gold and 80 purple average

woeful kettle
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Rolling dice also gives an average of 3.5

regal sphinx
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The implication here is that if you have average luck, you’ll go through phase 10 without a super

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So during phase 11, after another round of that set of kits, you’d hit super if your luck was average. You could need a lot more if unlucky, or a lot less if lucky

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The averages he gave are a nice way to estimate potential consumption

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But in reality the same could be done with pulls, yet despite that you’ll have heard horror stories or encountered them, as well as lucky stories. So pray everytime KEKS

regal sphinx
maiden elm
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ah okay, now I understand.
And I feel so stupid after reading that and that one akusetsu posted.
I was only look for % number and not exp needed. So I might in the process of leveling up the dolls, used a gold when I just need purple for the level up (assuming the extra xp is no carried over)

regal sphinx
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Yep they’re not

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That’s why 10 gold (1,000 exp) and 40 purples (2,000 exp, each one is 500 so 500 * 4), these add up to 3,000 for a SR doll’s phase levelup.

I know that each phase from SR1->SR14 require 3,000 exp (SR15 is max so no more exp needed). I vaguely think that it’s the same for SR5->SR10. But no clue if it’s still the same for SR0->SR5.

I’ve read it before but forgot now KEKL

obsidian basalt
pearl rain
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I wonder if it is worth taking the 40 doll mileages in dispatch so I can get more dolls for doll combination in order to get kits?

pliant grove
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I don't think Maxed the R doll first then change to SR Doll was a good idea... Just Waste your Maintenance Boxes

dim zodiac
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let's see

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20% chance to up R 0 => 15

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so 150 blue kits avg

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2.2% chance to up SR 0 => SR 5

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450 blue kits avg

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yeah kinda wasted, wasted your sanity lol

pliant grove
dim zodiac
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oh 3.6%

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so 270 blue kits

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you are lucky there doesn't prove that prob isn't right

wintry sparrow
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I love when people use their luck as a serious counter point BlancStare

bitter notch
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Bro is flexing his luck

woeful flax
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Mf here just to flex

glacial robin
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I pulled 7 Pilgrims in the time it took to MLB Mari. I guess Pilgrim rates are higher than rate up heh

carmine leaf
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Is it possible to get access to this spreadsheet?

pearl rain
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i use SR doll directly on my alt acc

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because i know alt acc has better luck than main acc

bitter notch
verbal elk
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should I try the 15% today or wait till I am lvl 11?

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regal sphinx
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Because, frankly, if we changed it to 15% you live, 85% you die, you’d never go for it Kek_dog

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No point burning the last 10 gold if you can’t followup

dim zodiac
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I only have Viper's left and still in phase 1

regal sphinx
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Same. I only have Viper left, but didn’t give her a doll yet

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I have the mats to try it though

verbal elk
verbal elk
dim zodiac
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still in phase 1 after I spent a lot of boxes on her

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each is a pity lol

regal sphinx
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And I only fattened up one blue doll on Scarlet: Black Shadow

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Basically hoarding I guess, I don’t need to leverage dolls yet

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Let’s see

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3 purple doll selectors

verbal elk
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I have crown, rh, viper, laplace, diesel and liter at 15, sbs at 11 and exia at 10Nyaruhodo

regal sphinx
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2 RLs, 3 SGs, 1 SMG, 1 Sniper purple dolls, still waiting to be handed out to waifus

verbal elk
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and a few blue dolls on others like summer sakura, naga, dkw, ein and alice

regal sphinx
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And these kits left

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verbal elk
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I am jealousKEKhands

regal sphinx
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I kinda don’t want to be forced into burning them on Viper so I’m just waiting to see if I must

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Otherwise Viper waits in case other new treasures come January are better Kek_dog

verbal elk
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I want to finish exia and sbs and then I will also go back to hoarding

dim zodiac
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burn them

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I have OCD

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I must complete them all

verbal elk
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I hope they add the next item to the old random box, I have over 110 of those already so I could get a head startKEKhands

regal sphinx
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Speaking of OCD, that T9M recycler is a pain

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If you don’t want to recycle right now, you’re forever trapped with the red dot

verbal elk
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its not a pain, its a scam

north wolf
glacial robin
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T9M converter is just a gear exp burner kek

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Huge trap

wicked tusk
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Bought twice. Got two pilgrim def pieces. Pretend they don’t exist afterwards.

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extreme scam

glacial robin
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Pretty much. Should've made it by role and not manufacturer

woeful kettle
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The first time i used it i got pilgrim attack arm but afterwards it just regurgitated what i put in not buying anymore

glacial robin
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Waste of arena currency and gear exp sadsimp

bitter notch
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Never use t9m like food guys

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Abnormal included

frigid hill
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nah id win

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glacial robin
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I'd probably be fine to use some of my T9M gear as exp, but I refuse

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Similarly, I refuse to merge dolls until I have every Nikke fitted with one and spares to prepare for incoming kek

bitter notch
carmine leaf
glacial robin
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But more likely to get something that's actually helpful

bitter notch
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Actually you are touching the border

glacial robin
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Attacker and Supporter gear is generally useful

bitter notch
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on pilgrim gears I mean

glacial robin
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For Attackers maybe

bitter notch
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Foot

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Who drops foots?

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harvester?

glacial robin
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ye

bitter notch
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Heeh time to feed xlud and quency

glacial robin
bitter notch
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the power of the big wallet

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XD

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Anyway, maybe you could try stage 7 with quency+phantom

verbal elk
woeful kettle
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How do those selector boxes even work. Is there a small factory inside it that builds your t9 equip and blows itself up afterwards? I dont get it

jovial siren
jovial siren
open raven
delicate brook
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Man i love dumping 120 blue and 2 purples to go up 1 level

open raven
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I got to SR level 13 with exia yesterday.

pliant grove
regal sphinx
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Ended up not needing to use anybody's treasure in Solo Raid

north ore
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i love failing the 40% then failing the 60%...

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sick game

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at this point do i just use an yellow kit to just 15 it lmfao

regal sphinx
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I burned kits, I'm more of a collector so.. I succumbed to completing Viper's treasure and also finished Helm's and Drake's dolls

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Now Miranda and Milk remain~~, holding off on them for now~~

willow siren
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I have terrible luck, i only have 3 full lv SR15 now

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laplace, exia & viper 💀 the highest outside of them is cinderella at SR12

regal sphinx
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While that one is valid, the focus is on basically using up the monthly income of kits I think

willow siren
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so what do i do now

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i just got helm to SR5

regal sphinx
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While a new strategy that got more traction (at least, I like it more) is simply:

Use blues on R0 dolls all the way to R15, nothing else
Use blues or purples on SR5->SR6, which to use depends on what you have too many of (save some blues for levelling more R0 dolls in the future, for example)
Use golds on SR6+ -> SR10
Use blues or purples on SR10->SR11, same idea as earlier
Use golds on SR11+ -> SR15

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I've used both strategies before

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It's still luck dependent, very RNG, but the above strategy feels more intelligent

willow siren
willow siren
regal sphinx
willow siren
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DRAKE sama banzai

sudden fossil
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Why is this thread revived

regal sphinx
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If the whole thing's wrong, I can strikethrough it all or something

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If the disclaimer I added is wrong, I'm confused about what part of it is TOMstare

regal sphinx
steel terrace
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is there something about going wide or tall? currently i have it mixed?
2x treasures (lap, helm)
4x sr 15 (sbs,rh, rapipi, cindy)
24x sr5
1 x sr0

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wide and tall as in going having lots of sr5s or a few sr15s

frigid hill
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its good if you're not aiming for treasures

north wolf
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if you're comfortable going through campaign hard slowly sure
aside from treasure, imo the biggest draw of sr15 is to cp pad units so you can try hard campaign stages earlier

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the other reason for cp padding is pvp

solar pecan
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pad by snorting more core dust is the only way you're defending your rank anyway

tame oyster
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On average how many solo raids should it take get SR 15 on one doll

regal sphinx
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There were also people with even worse RNG luck and use up 60+ gold, etc

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So... what does a Solo Raid give by way of maintenance kits?

regal sphinx
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SR LV4 = RNG'd 9 blue kits

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SR LV5 = RNG'd 15 blue kits (and sniper SR doll, yes!!)

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SR LV6 = RNG'd 15 blue kits (and shotgun SR doll)

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Oh, nevermind what I was saying, I can just screenshot the Reward Info

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Day 1: 9 purple boxes
Day 2: 3 purple box and 6 gold boxes (that's today)
Day 3: 9 gold boxes
Day 4: 9 gold boxes
Day 5: 9 gold boxes
Day 6: 9 gold boxes
Day 7: 9 gold boxes

Are there 7 days of Solo Raid?

12 purple boxes and 51 gold boxes in total.

Worst rewards: 3 blues per purple box, 5 blues per gold box. 36 blues from purple boxes, 255 blues from gold boxes.

Total of 291 blues from one Solo Raid if never lucky.

regal sphinx
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Add dispatches to this and you'd possibly have enough in a single month. Two if cursed