Min-maxing doll upgrade

[flat oracle]

and I was like what? If it hit success, It will refund... right?

so why single-clicking to harm your finger?

[glacial robin]

Single-clicking doll upgrades is nothing compared to playing Alice

I single click because I'm carefully planning how much I upgrade dolls atm

Like for PvP units, I'd rather just use blues for the R dolls going from Phase 0 to 5 evenly

I don't want to waste all blues to get a Phase 7 when I could've potentially had two Phase 5s

[hasty scroll]

Agree with @glacial robin about planning to invest how much dolls to upgrade. If planning to use all dolls you could jump dump all. I mass upgrade on blues but single upgrade on yellow.

my excess refund experience was dumping multiple blues and it refunded back unused blues. I'm not sure about purple or yellow will refund back anything or in blue.

[flat oracle]

in a logical sense, it should refund all, either in correct mat or in blue

[obsidian basalt]

the mats will refund if you get a super success so there’s no point to doing it one at a time

its personally happened to me

this doesnt apply to just max level

its whenever you get a SS and jump up a tier

[glacial robin]

Unless I see a screenshot of it refunding at phase 5/10, I'm not changing my ways

[dense cave]

Cope slower and faster

[regal sphinx]

It refunds, I can confirm

The time I super successes on 2nd blue kit use? It was 2/7 (meaning I had 70 blue kits, and it burnt through 20…)

I still had the other 5 after…

Went from phase 0 purple doll to phase 5 purple doll

The game simply use the kits one by one and stop using more if there’s a super success

Gives you back the rest, congratulates you, and that’s it

[glacial robin]

Good to know

[obsidian basalt]

i literally have one I just dk where it is

[regal sphinx]

You have my permission to drool

[bitter notch]

[regal sphinx]

Or if you’re a fan of purple

[loud canopy]

mods, ban this guy

[west oracle]

[dim zodiac]

[dim zodiac]

so, have you opened it for 10 blue?

[regal sphinx]

I stopped rolling for those ones

The one you’re looking at is straight up, genuine article, of an elite maintenance kit x2

[dim zodiac]

oh actually it's gold kits already

[regal sphinx]

wipes T-Rix’s fingerprints off

[dim zodiac]

my morning eyes fail me

[regal sphinx]

Don’t get too handsy!

[dim zodiac]

[wicked tusk]

Kill. Me.

[sudden fossil]

Address?

[wicked tusk]

The boob light on naked king

[loud canopy]

okay. so who tf do i put this on

smg dolls........

tell me there is a single smg unit that can do some meta dps

[glacial robin]

Soline is your best bet for that

She was actually quite strong last raid, but she probably won't be for any future ones

If you haven't put one on Liter yet, that's your best bet

Pad your CP and give her some survivability vs AoE bosses

[dim zodiac]

Clay

of course

[loud canopy]

dammit is this an omen

should i just slap my lvl 1 sr doll on top of liter or should i upgrade her r doll to lvl 15 before doing that?

personally i don't think upgrading is worth it considering our mats situation has been so dire. but my paranoia is gaslighting me that the doll upgrade system will get better after feedback

[glacial robin]

Should be fine to just use the SR

If they make dolls/mats more available in future patches, it'll most likely just be cash shop bundles

R → SR should mainly be for DPS units and treasure units

[loud solar]

So I got purple SG but no blue yet

So I shouldn’t equip this until I get a blue?

[regal sphinx]

It’s different approaches

Equip SR -> progress its phases to max -> Done unless can Treasure it -> Make it Treasure -> progress its phases to max using Treasure-specific kits -> Done and /flex

That’s the fast track

If you equip R first, then equip the SR, the R is lost but the SR absorbs R’s progress if it has any

R at phase 15 lets SR start at phase 5. The difference is because SR needs more exp per phase

[loud solar]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[regal sphinx]

So… what the smarter nerds in this thread figured out is that if you max out a R first, then overwrite with a SR, you reduce the impact of bad (and good) RNG affecting getting SR to phase 5

Sure, you could equip SR first, feed it one set of 10 blue maintenance kits, and super success instantly to phase 5…

But odds are higher that you’ll spend way more kits than going through a maxed R first

So Commander! Do you feel lucky?

Yes - equip SR now
No - equip R now, max it, then equip SR
Lazy - equip SR now

[loud solar]

RNG within RNG

Guess I’ll equip it then since I have no idea when a blue SG will ever come out

But who is usually the first to have a SG doll?

[regal sphinx]

I should inform you that it may well be you never see another SR doll for SG… (unless you get a SR doll selector and choose SG doll from it)

So that’s a tough decision itself

[loud solar]

[loud solar]

Prob in the next solo raid

[regal sphinx]

Idk

Likely either Maid Privaty or Twinkling Bunny Soda

They are the current two SG carries

For the Tove SG team

[loud solar]

Not even SAnis?

[regal sphinx]

Oh right, S.Anis works

Yeah S.Anis should be the most popular choice for people with a SR SG doll

Hell

It’ll even help her in PvP

[loud solar]

It’ll help more once she gets a rerun this coming summer event

More dupes

[regal sphinx]

Does this mean 3 purple kits from dispatch is the best possible kits dispatch?

2 gold kits = 2.5 purple kits if it’s 80% efficiency (is this what you meant by efficiency?)

What’s the blue kit efficiency for phase 10->15?

[desert berry]

@frigid hill

[sudden fossil]

I calculate based on efficiency, which favors toward Purple and Gold.

Blue is just terrible.

Akusetsu made a calculation based on balanced resource management.

[regal sphinx]

Seems like the x3 purple kits dispatch is king then, from dispatch possibilities

But since it’s RNG for what actually shows up, not important enough to repeatedly reroll dispatches for unless someone is bent on burning gems everyday

[obsidian basalt]

yeah just reroll once if its all blue

or majority

then sleep

ive already maxed an SR (from R15) and another R15

[frigid hill]

gold are too important

[frigid hill]

[obsidian basalt]

i got lucky on the SR5-10 with only using one gold

[vestal harness]

Dunno if anyone has done this yet, but I simulated leveling up dolls by spamming each of the 3 rarities of maintenance kits, these were the attempts per rarity:

For R0 -> R15:

 [1.755883 1.904646 2.075049]
 [1.       1.       1.      ]]
totals=array([17.018215,  5.735578,  3.      ]```

For SR0 -> SR15:

[[20.271286 28.434907 37.347049]
[ 6.871282 8.995343 10.835354]
[ 3.301036 3.925007 4.490563]]
totals=array([86.053242, 26.701979, 11.716606])

Defining progress as mats/10 / avg_total_mats_to_lvl_to_15:

R0 -> 15 progress per gold RNG box:

2 * (5/17.018215 * 0.7 + 2/5.735578 * 0.2 + 2/3 * 0.1) / 10 = 
6.841%

For purple, R0 -> 15 progress per 3 purple box:

3/5.735578/10 = 
5.23%

For gold, R0 -> 15 progress per 3 purple box:

2/3/10 = 6.667%

Gold RNG Box Progress (for SR0 -> 15):

2 * (5/86.053242 * 0.7 + 2/26.701979 * 0.2 + 2/11.716606 * 0.1) / 10 =
1.454%

3 Purple Kit Progress (for SR0 -> 15):

3/26.701979 / 10 =
1.124%

2 Gold Kit Progress (for SR0 -> 15):

2/11.716606 / 10 =
1.707%

[regal sphinx]

Huh, gold rng box is better than triple purple kit, and triple purple kit is quite a bit worse than two gold kits.

[regal sphinx]

Is that single gold rng box for the SR0 -> 15? Having to ask since it doesn’t state if it’s 1 or 2 gold RNG boxes

[hardy vigil]

I don't know how to read any of this

[regal sphinx]

He simulated spamming just one kind of dispatch rewards from purple doll phase 0 to phase 15

And did it for all the good dispatch rewards

Which are 2 gold rng boxes, 3 purple kits, or 2 gold kits

[hardy vigil]

I get that, I just don't know what the actual numbers mean

like 2 gold kit = 1.707%

[regal sphinx]

The amount of progress the dispatch contributed

Toward doll reaching phase 15

He did the simulation to evaluate which dispatches were worth chasing (rerolling for at 50 gems each time)

[hardy vigil]

So 2 gold kits will give you 1.7% of the 0-15 exp?

[regal sphinx]

Yep

[hardy vigil]

That sounds very wrong. Or at least it sounds like it's not factoring in super success chance.

[regal sphinx]

I think it didn’t include super success, yea

He may have focused on the exp it gives

And the total exp of the phases

[hardy vigil]

I dont think it takes 50+ gold kits to go from 0-15 because of super success, and if it's not factoring that in idk how useful this data actually is

[regal sphinx]

Like calculating how much exp it takes to level up, and ignored super success

[hardy vigil]

because that's a huge part of the value of each kit

[regal sphinx]

I suppose useful enough for people who just want to treat super success as unexpected event

Besides, the original goal was to calculate best dispatches

[hardy vigil]

30% super success on a gold kit vs 3% on a blue kit, the gold kit would be more valuable than the blue kit even if it gave zero exp. Because you're likely to super success 5 levels in less than the number of kits it takes blues to gain a single level without SS. A lot less.

[regal sphinx]

At the same time, if you advance phase, it gets easier to super success on the more rare golds and purples

[vestal harness]

no it includes the super success chance lmfao

otherwise why would it be a simulation

[vestal harness]

like in what way would this sound wrong

to make even 1 attempt, you need 10 of them

sim says 11 attempts on average, with a breakdown of [ 3.301036 3.925007 4.490563] per breakpoint of 5

[hardy vigil]

Oh I guess if you're looking at progress per dispatch

[vestal harness]

so sim says 110 gold kits on average to go from 0 -> 15

[hardy vigil]

rather than progress per kit/use

[vestal harness]

this is progress per dispatch yes

[hardy vigil]

I was thinking each use, so I guess that's my bad lol

[vestal harness]

that's the initial matrix

[hardy vigil]

Didn't even register in my mind that each useage actually requires 10 kits lol

[vestal harness]

after determining the number of attempts I multiplied it with dispatch yields

[hardy vigil]

yeah I get it now

[vestal harness]

and the conclusion for the 5* dispatches which are definitely the best mat dispatches is that the 2 gold rando kit is the best for leveling R dolls, the 2 gold elite kit is best for leveling SR dolls, and the 3 purps decently behind but still ahead of the other crap

[hardy vigil]

I reroll all my R dolls

[regal sphinx]

2 gold kits -> 2 gold rng boxes -> 3 purple kits

Easy enough to remember

And I guess just reduce the numbers by appropriate percentage when you see smaller, like 2 purple kits instead of 3

1 gold kit is 50% of the value you see for 2 gold kits in his simulation

1 gold kit progress %: 0.8535%
1 gold rng box progress %: 0.727%
2 purple kit progress %: 0.74184% (I used 0.66 * 1.124 to arrive at that)

Hmm, accepting less than the best is strikingly worse when I look at it this way. Even the "last place" among the best, 3 purple kits, is much better

So it's better expressed this way to clear up confusion for people who have traumatic flashbacks at seeing math.
2 gold kits > 2 gold rng boxes > 3 purple kits > 1 gold kit > 2 purple kits > 1 gold rng box

So if your simulation is accurate, the above is the order of what's good when selecting kits from dispatch?

[vestal harness]

I mean yeah but I'd say in practice the best way to phrase it is that if you get 2 gold boxes/kits

Always take em

3 purple consider taking always or on last 1-2 dispatch

And rest is a take depending on gem reroll budget and remaining dispatches

But the main thing I was aiming to prove was that the 2 rng box is p good

P comparable to the 2 guaranteed golds

And that the 3 purple is def worse but still better than the 4* dispatches

Another consequence of this sim is that if there is no SR doll upgrade mats

It takes about 15 days on avg rerolling for 2xgold kits

To go from SR0-> SR15

In reality it's a bit faster than that bc you can make more progress on the R doll tho

But yeah, more 2 weeks of exp to get a maxed SR doll

[sudden fossil]

No, it is correct

I mathed this and mine was worse than 1.7%

Lmao

[sudden fossil]

If u skip credit and coredust its fine tbh

[wintry sparrow]

I can't believe I tried to min-max, and I can't even go to lvl 10. Instead, I'm on my way to do the lvl 5 -> 10 with raw XP

[hot falcon]

Does Super Success have a chance of occurring every time you maintain, or can it only happen when you level up an item?

[red crypt]

Every time you maintain

[wicked tusk]

My smg doll collection grows

https://tenor.com/view/clown-crying-sad-gif-17901663

[woeful kettle]

Its time to trade in 4 r dolls for an sr smg doll

[bitter notch]

Only 2 dolls after solo raid

[wicked tusk]

Shitty dolls making me miss solo raid

What is this hell

[wintry sparrow]

Solo Raid is the only moment you can progress with Dolls after all, such a shitty system...

[brazen bramble]

relateable , my fookin 6th SMG doll
SU need to chill, it stops being funny 2 dolls in

[wicked tusk]

It stops being funny after the first doll

My first sr doll was smg

The one in the screenshot is my 2nd sr smg doll

[brazen bramble]

bruh

surely Solo Raid drops won't spam us SMG dolls again this time

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[regal sphinx]

I sacrificed 4 SMG blue dolls to combination (and other disposable doll)

I still have SMG blue dolls

[bitter notch]

Liter is happy now

[loud solar]

[gaunt pawn]

Welcome to the party we are really tired about RNG everywhere

[gaunt pawn]

RNG over RNG time

[wicked tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-gif-21994457

[pliant grove]

gear drop RNG, OL lines RNG, doll drop RNG, doll upgrade RNG

nice game

[frigid hill]

level infinite pass rng

[regal sphinx]

@dim zodiac For once the gold boxes didn’t let me down. Had 2, got this

[wintry sparrow]

Meanwhile, my ass opening 6 boxes and getting 2 purple and full blue

[grand jay]

how bout all blues?

[placid plover]

guys, are there any sheets or links that shows how much improvement is expected after equipping dolls on units like rh/sbs/alice from R0->R15 and SR0->SR15 ?

[solar pecan]

version is in #1246248684442878002

actual sheet by lorax isn't public yet iirc

[placid plover]

tysm

[dim zodiac]

in CP?

or in real dmg output

[placid plover]

maybe both ? i saw the sheet and having cp/stats already helps but real dmg output would be great

[earnest harness]

first time getting this much doll parts

and I rerolled like everyday and this is the natural roll

[wintry sparrow]

Unless you can't clear all Solo Raids Stages Doll Boxes are baits imo.
At least you can have 3 SR Dolls per months guaranteed, with one being a selector. And you don't need that much dolls anyway.
For XP, not only you need an outrageous amount of it, but even Solo Raid can't guaranteed you good drop because the RNG is even worst than Doll Boxes.

[woeful kettle]

At least you can trade in 4 r dolls for decent exp

[wintry sparrow]

It's not even sure, you can get an SR Doll you don't need
And even if best case scenario you got 10 SSR Kits (30%), I think it's easier to get 10 SSR Kits naturally than 800 Doll Boxes...

[carmine leaf]

Until you have dolls for all of your meta characters, doll boxes are desirable

Just need a way to churn SR dolls too 🙄

and churn batteries, what the hell ShiftUp

[glacial robin]

Churning SR dolls sounds like a bad idea since we're going to be getting treasures every other month

[bitter notch]

Treasure per month sounds really bad

I can understand the point tho

[wicked tusk]

su ceo should be pulling sr smgs from all of his boxes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124757580242223256/1124758495862984724/birbscarshakeslideb.gif

Only then he’ll understand our pain

[vast junco]

It's ok

Surely they will make sure bad treasures soon

[glacial robin]

already have one

[vast junco]

Yea but it was 40 min too early

[glacial robin]

Oh true

[cedar zephyr]

Guys, why can't i take off a doll i've equipped and change it with another one? I equipped one by mistake a while ago

[glacial robin]

Because that was a gift you gave to the Nikke, and they'll cherish it forever

No takebacksies

[gaunt pawn]

unfortunately it's locked and they want you to RNG forever to equip all the units you want

[wicked tusk]

We love rng

[gaunt pawn]

I again droped SMG doll yesterday

[cedar zephyr]

So once you equip one you can't change it, let's say, with a better,but different, one?

[gaunt pawn]

You can chnage R doll to SR doll but once equiped you cannot remove it

[wicked tusk]

Welcome to the smg club

[regal sphinx]

Any exp the blue doll had will be transferred to the purple doll. The purple doll demands more exp per phase so it won’t look like 1:1 in phases transfer. Phase 15 blue doll transfers to phase 5 purple doll, at most.

But once you replace with purple doll, the blue doll is destroyed.

[cedar zephyr]

Yeah, that one bit i knew, what i wanted to know is if once i equip a doll can i swap it with a different one? Or does every NIKKE have a unique doll?

Also,how do you get new ones or better ones? I still haven't ubderstood that

[gaunt pawn]

Each nikke has a weapon type and need the associated doll for this type

Let's take Sakura she is AR type so she needs AR doll

You have R and SR doll for each type, SR giving more stats but requesting more mats and the rates to get super sucess from different phases are lower than R doll

For super sucess chance you can check this below depending of the doll's rarity (R or SR) and the items used (R, SR or gold) between different phases (0->5, 5->10, 10->15)

[cedar zephyr]

I see, so dolls are associated to weapon types

So there's not many types of dolls right?

Sorry for the many questions but I was a bit confused

[gaunt pawn]

You have as many doll's type as weapon's type: AR, SMG, MG, RL, SR, SG

in 2 rarity : R and SR doll

[pliant lotus]

For SR 10 to 15, is it better to use purple to 11 then gold or just yolo gold at the start

[wicked tusk]

There’s been an unusual disturbance in the force tonight. I just got two consecutive super successes

Holy shit

they’re blue boxes on r dolls but still

[frigid hill]

I think you’d rather use your purples first in hope that you dont have to use the golds

success wise it doesnt matter since both super success %s increase by the same amount from reach phase 11 relatively

getting lucky with the purples to not have to use the golds is more valuable than getting lucky with the golds to not have to use the purples imo

[west oracle]

What does it mean, "NEVER use blue alone," in pinned post?

[regal sphinx]

If I could hazard a guess, it's probably don't try to use exclusively blue maintenance kits to progress or super success with

Presumably because you'd use up so many that it wasn't worth it

[west oracle]

I guess i made a mistake then XD

[umbral oak]

Never use blue on SR dolls mainly

[west oracle]

with how really low the rate, of course not

[woeful kettle]

Smg doll on liter volume and who else

[dim zodiac]

Epinel

[regal sphinx]

Careful what you say

They might release Epinel treasure that elevates her to Pilgrim-like SSS tier

[regal sphinx]

I now have more SMG blue dolls

[west oracle]

I still never get SG dolls till now

[gaunt pawn]

RNG everywhere is really boring bro we really need a selection box implementation for dolls and manufacturer gears

[brazen bramble]

The SMG spam repeats, i have total of x9 SMG Dolls , 3 of them are SR

[woeful kettle]

I got more sr smg dolls than any other sr doll, my most pulled pilgrim is harran and my most pulled nikke is crow and my first ssr nikke is crow what is happening

[gaunt pawn]

I still didn't get any RL doll for laplace treasure since the start, what's the point of this new system lol
Our best source for that are SR, outside of this it's a pain but still RNG

[gaunt pawn]

RNG is endless, time to combine
Good luck

[grand jay]

I've exchanged 4 useless R SMG dolls for 1 SR SG doll, pretty good deal there

[wicked tusk]

Welcome fellow smg doll enjoyer

[bitter notch]

Dolls enjoyers sound really bad tbh

[hushed hull]

[west oracle]

I probably should combine SMG doll, right? that thing haunted me

[loud solar]

So other than Volume and Liter SMG doll, who could be the 3rd or 4th?

[frigid hill]

miranda soline

[delicate brook]

got my dolls from solo raid both for AR

[west oracle]

At least it's not SMG

[obsidian basalt]

this happened to me last SR

and I got another one this SR

i have

5 blue and 3 purple SR AR dolls

i actually wanna kms

[delicate brook]

me about to use 2 smg dolls to reroll hoping i get one for my main team

got elite maint kits

[regal sphinx]

I got the purple SG doll. Viper tempting me

Too bad she isn’t Elysion

[delicate brook]

i just want them for the power increase so i can push story more

using a blue kit

[regal sphinx]

Hot

[frigid hill]

rerolled for the 1st time

pretty good I think

SSR boxes both gave me blue mats so its not good actually

[woeful kettle]

I got an sr mg doll for

And an sr rl doll for

I still need dolls for 🧣

[delicate brook]

Why does noah need a doll it's not like she gets used in anything but pvp

[dim zodiac]

all RL need SR dolls

give them

R is worse but still having stat

better than nothing

[regal sphinx]

I’m still hoarding dolls I’m thinking of holding until I actually like the character that could get doll + treasure. So far only ran with Diesel. Wonder if it’ll mean I get creamed this Solo Raid

[west oracle]

Not really affect that much, really. At least, if you're not compete to top 200 or something

[hasty scroll]

which is better for scarlet; get R->SR5 or SR doll??

[delicate brook]

Just equiping an SR doll on my dorothy gave a 4.2k power boost, was lvl 0

[hasty scroll]

thats alot.

in the end i put R instead. more resource efficient

[carmine leaf]

So between these two SRs, I managed to get one R0->SR15 and one R0->SR5. Nothing else was leveled

We're going to be drowning in dolls

Haven't even used my first SR Selector

[obsidian basalt]

yeah like i said even before we knew SR rewards the issue was never dolls

ive gotten one SR15 and one rn is SR7.5

I also have an R5

[dim zodiac]

and I have R34

[obsidian basalt]

bruh😭

[brazen bramble]

one R0 took me 150 blue for a Super Success to R5 , what a lovely system

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759678417452269588/1258110273211072532/Cat-punch-gif.gif

[delicate brook]

i have an SR 10, r15, r15, r10, r7 on my main team

the the SR 10 got a super success off a blue kit from 5 to 10

[west oracle]

They need add doll leveling material to weekly coop shop

or arena shop

[pliant grove]

agree

the daily source is just too small

[woeful kettle]

I took me almost to r3 before i got super success to r5

And my reds could not get super success

[delicate brook]

dolls are supposed to be a long term investment, just going from no doll to lvl 0 SR doll gives like 4.2k power

[obsidian basalt]

thats not that bad

try being SR7.5

[carmine leaf]

Good thing they disincentivized just giving Nikkes SR0

[obsidian basalt]

at 2.3k exp I got a super success on a blue

[pliant grove]

you're doing viper treasure ?

[obsidian basalt]

nah this is a doll on B Soda

i havent done any treasures

doing them on some meta units first

[muted scaffold]

Thank you SU, very fun mechanics

[obsidian basalt]

imagine this but on an SR

cause thats what happened to me

[wicked tusk]

I don’t even upgrade sr dolls beyond 5 anymore

I’m spreading mats around

It’s such a bitch trying to get levels

And solo raid ends soon

So bye bye doll level ups

[gaunt pawn]

Same for now

I like to get only blue items from all boxes

[floral moat]

i just level up dolls that are on my pilgrims

i dont even really use the other units much anyways, other than the very strong sps like liter etc

[wicked tusk]

That’s the only way to play this game

[gaunt pawn]

And if you care also for PVP it's endless how much units you have to doll

• all RNG around yes very funny

[wicked tusk]

I only use dolls to boost cp on my PvP units now lol

[gaunt pawn]

Additionnaly to CP padding and more stats, they are also providing def boost which is also good for P1 tank unit

[pliant grove]

give sr doll to p1 tank is really good

[delicate brook]

me using dolls to boost cp so i can do more story

at ch 26, been playing for 4 months

[obsidian basalt]

the one pvp only unit im planning to max is jackal

cause jackal is probably a pvp unit till EOS

and my chest OL rolls on her were kinda crazy so if I level a doll for her she’ll pack some punch

[regal sphinx]

Don’t you mean pack a mean bite?

[obsidian basalt]

[tame oyster]

Will it be reasonably balanced if I use:
Blue for R 1 -> 15
Purple for SR 5 -> 10
Gold for SR 10 - > 15

Or will I end up with too much pruple and not enough gold

[frigid hill]

you'll end up with too much blues

not enough purples and not enough golds

[obsidian basalt]

LETS GO

[frigid hill]

[frigid hill]

SR10->15 with gold only will take 81 days worth of gold mats iirc

provided you dont reroll dispatch

[tame oyster]

I do reroll

But still it’s so rough

They really need a nicer system

Out of all the mats I’ve got so far I’ve just got one sr doll from 5 to 10 with all my purple and golds since the system was introduced

[regal sphinx]

81 days of gold mats, what the 👀 That harsh?

Something’s wrong here or I’ve got a distorted perspective due to being lucky

The chance of a gold maintenance super success increases when you reach phase 11, phase 12, etc

So my thought is, you do not want to blow your scarce gold maintenance in phase 10. That’s silly

Sure you can get lucky but the odds are also there for you to lose them all without a super success

So rather than use your 50 gold maintenance kits there and praying, wouldn’t you be better off risking it with blues or purples until phase 11, then trying to win with 27.5% odds?

If you’re even more paranoid, keep them until phase 12 then try for the win

[obsidian basalt]

my main thing is doing blue/purple to 6/11 then use a gold

[woeful kettle]

I just use all my gold when i have them i cant control the urges

[barren phoenix]

Who to give SR selector doll to first, RH or SBS?

[floral moat]

i mean, which do u like more

no treasure item so its just CP padding + bonus stats

[barren phoenix]

RH

Also if I get a dupe SR SR doll, I can give it to Alice

[bitter notch]

Rh cuz she is in all game content

[woeful kettle]

I have choice between rh and sg

I guess i will get sg next solo raid

[obsidian basalt]

im lucky that i got a SR SG doll from the raid

so im saving my selector for now

SBS and B Soda maxed

maybe I can get a RH maxed before next treasure comes out

then I save for the next treasure reveal and see if its good or not

[glacial robin]

RH also benefits more from the doll

iirc, SBS gets surprisingly small returns

[west oracle]

Is SG doll really that rare? I only got it once

[glacial robin]

It's all RNG

Most of my union mates are actually screaming angrily about having too many SG dolls

[woeful kettle]

I gave doll to rh shes still weaker than guillotine wtf

I also gave mg doll to modernia but shes still weaker than noah wtf

And noah isnt fully upgraded

[glacial robin]

Dupe difference

[woeful kettle]

Noah has only one dupe

[glacial robin]

Mesugaki diff

[woeful kettle]

Makes sense

[pliant grove]

dupe difference, also maybe OL lines difference

[glacial robin]

Yeah, in all seriousness, probably OL lines

Even if entirely useless, triple lines on all gear gives insane CP padding

[pliant grove]

yeah, only ele give more, the rest give equal cp provide it's in the same tier

[bitter notch]

What this word means?

A gremlin?

Cuz Noah is one of them

[obsidian basalt]

i mainly leveled it for the attack

cause its a LOT

but also even if its small gains improving the best dps by ~5%? lets say is still gonna impact more than a weaker dps increased by 10%

cause im not trying to go for any actual treasures rn

[glacial robin]

Oh, for sure

SBS is still priority over majority of units

I'd just personally vote for RH first

[glacial robin]

I don't know how gremlin is used nowadays, so not sure

[obsidian basalt]

oh yeah

its just that I got a SHIT ton of R RL dolls

and I didnt get my first SR R doll till like

1-2 weeks ago

[glacial robin]

RL especially has like no DPS that are worthwhile, so SBS has little competition for dolls

Kits are the problem

[obsidian basalt]

yeaaa

im def gonna probably go like

RH -> Jackal for SR15

if the next treasure isnt something really good

cause I want to have more investment for CA

[bitter notch]

Rh, Alice then maxwell

Dwife

[obsidian basalt]

i dont macro so building alice is meh for me

doll wise anyways

[bitter notch]

Me either don't like cheats but I'm good playing manual alice

[obsidian basalt]

I dont have 100% cs on her either tho so its kinda meh

[bitter notch]

[obsidian basalt]

unlucky rolling it unfortunately

shes so damn expensive

i hate her too so ive just been coping SBS will get a new pair soon enough

[gaunt pawn]

SR done let's go back with painfull resources, SU need to more balance their system

[north wolf]

still no super successes yet and it's just an R doll. amazing system

[grand jay]

just get lucky, ez

[obsidian basalt]

complain when you go that much on an SR doll and its with actually expensive mats

and 3x the exp

[dim zodiac]

look at these ungrateful bitches

back then we had to do PVP to have mat to upgrade dolls (Destiny Child)

[obsidian basalt]

id almost prefer that

[dim zodiac]

it's not this child play PVP

[north wolf]

is it random matchmaking?

otherwise, people can just wintrades

ez pz

[dim zodiac]

reward are based on rank

so yeah, you can win trading if you like

we got dolls from a challenge mode, and kit to levelup from PVP

peak fiction

[regal sphinx]

We know nothing atm

Just some old info about what champion arena might be

At the same time even if the champion arena was the world's most sublime and well engineered gacha pvp experience

It then comes down to exactly what the rewards are

Of which we still know nothing about

[loud solar]

1.2% won

[regal sphinx]

Run run run

People coming to steal your luck

(and beat you up)

[loud solar]

Won a 3.2%

be saving lots of purple and gold kits

[grand jay]

don't worry, your purple and gold are now cursed and will never trigger super success

[wicked tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[regal sphinx]

Was it ever calculated what the “odds” were of doing better from starting immediately with a SR doll, skipping using a R doll?

I need to decide which maintenance kit matters here. Should I pick purple maintenance kits?

[regal sphinx]

Alright, answered my question

Scrolled through thread and found some posts containing super success rates.

For R doll purple maintenance kits…

Phase 0 super rate - 55%

• 55% probability if 1x purple kits
• 79.75% probability if 2x purple kits
• 90.89% probability if 3x purple kits
  Phase 5 super rate - 50%
• 50% probability if 1x purple kits
• 75% probability if 2x purple kits
• 93.75% probability if 4x purple kits
  Phase 10 super rate - 45%
• 69.75% probability if 2x purple kits
• 83.36% probability if 3x purple kits
• 90.85% probability if 4x purple kits

For SR doll purple maintenance kits…

Phase 0 super rate - 11%

• 50% probability if 6x purple kits
• 75% probability if 12x purple kits
• 90.28% probability if 20x purple kits

Cleaning up my posts

I wanted to find 50%, 75%, and 90% probability thresholds

So if we avoid being unlucky, but were never lucky, it’d take 3x, 4x, and 4x purple kits to max a R doll
A total of 11x purple kits for those of us that needed the 90% probability

If the same fate strikes us with a go-straight-to-SR doll start, it’d take 20x purple kits to reach SR doll phase 5
A total of 20x purple kits for those of us that needed the 90% probability

110 purple kits vs 200 purple kits

Going to stop here and not bother anymore

It helped me understand the pinned posts better 💀

[gaunt pawn]

I already lost 2x55% purple in a row for phase 0, for now I prefer to start with R dolls than relying of the success rates of SR doll which are a scam and upgrade them directly to level 5
Anyway it's just gambling every time and SR doll super success rates are too much low even with gold kits
Up to everyone to start with SR and gambling more or choose a "safe way" to get SR level 5 directly

[placid plover]

how long does it take on average for SR 5 to SR 15? I know there's a lot of gamble involved but I just wanted an average

[regal sphinx]

The “how long” depends a lot on how fast you get the kits of the right types

Someone shared earlier the numbers for a no-reroll dispatch, alone, over a month

[regal sphinx]

It’s this post’s image, #1247084307332464670 message

598 blue kits, 58 purple kits, 22 gold kits, from dispatches without rerolling them. Could be different, it’s still RNG

So in 1 month if you never rerolled dispatches, you might do 59 blue cleanings, 5 purple cleanings, and 2 gold cleanings

To me this seems like 2-3 months to max a SR doll, 4 months if no luck at all

With Solo Raid giving kits, it’ll be actually shorter than this

So maybe 2 months is pretty reasonable to expect for one SR doll to go phase 0 to phase 15? As long as each month has one Solo Raid. 1 month if lucky with super success

[placid plover]

hmm ic yeah, actually i'm doing some rerolls and focusing on the kits, looks like it'll take a while. Thanks for the info!

[obsidian basalt]

for me personally ive gotten an SR15 once per month

got scalter done June 17th and B soda done July 16

[woeful kettle]

I only got one so far and its laplace

[abstract basalt]

which is best treasure unit to focus after laplace ?

[glacial robin]

If you want to use Laplace in top condition, Frima

If you're coping that next raid is electric-weak (Land Eater), probably Exia

[desert berry]

Diesel

[regal sphinx]

I’m thinking about skipping a month of leveling SR doll

It’ll set me back, but then at the same time leave me with a lot of maintenance kits

Then ShiftUp releases the next favorite item

[glacial robin]

That's definitely a tactic

and right, Diesel is probably second best

I'm loving her with treasure

[woeful kettle]

Diesel since shes gassy

[wicked tusk]

Laplace cuz
Diesel cuz

[gilded tiger]

I have finished Diesel and Laplace's fav items, whose should I aim for next?

Or should I save?

[dim zodiac]

frima

don't save

keep moving forward

[glacial robin]

Saving until we know next SR is an option

Unless you want to reach Lappy's full potential, which requires Frima

[gilded tiger]

Aye the problem is I dont have her lb2

Should I go for Viper? Is she good?

[regal sphinx]

Atm no

It’s as if they experimented the idea of a weak treasure on Viper

It’s effective but for all the wrong things

Have to wait for a future synergy, so might as well withhold Viper’s doll until that future synergy materializes

[vestal harness]

there's p much no future synergy, she's just insanely bad

re-enter B2 as a character with 0 team buffs is insanely bad

[dim zodiac]

and she's not a dmg dealer, either

if she deals like Mod dmg then sure, think of her as non burst B3

[vestal harness]

she applies 20% def down which is the equiv of 5% ATK basically

and her burst initial nuke occurs before the other B2 character's B2 buff applies which is kappa

then after that she applies some very mid sustained damage attack and gives herself a bunch of hit rate that other SG characters get for free anyway, then gives herself no ATK buff to function correctly as a DPS

p much nothing can save this kit

ironically re-enter B2 is a death sentence

you force a 12233 comp

where the other 2 doesn't correctly buff viper herself

so you eliminated the BAlice-Tove-water unit synergy

the only way this re-enter B2 kit could have worked is if she also had a significant team buff along the way but they kept the S1 at 10/180 seconds and the meme DEF down debuff so lmao

[gilded tiger]

Alright thanks 🙏 ig im saving for now

[regal sphinx]

That’s also a very good point I had completely missed weeks ago

Viper might have a burst that seems like it can compete with B3s like Guillotine by virtue of being able to use it twice for every one of Guillotine’s

But because of the re-enter B2 scheme, and Viper having to go first, she’s forced away Blanc, Crown, and Naga buffs (much less even be able to work with Tia & Naga, she can’t)

Oh and now also S.Rosanna buffs

So Viper’s burst is fired without any debuffs or buffs to help her out, every time

Unless you count the B1’s, which is better than nothing, but all the hottest buffs are in that B2 slot

So… RIP treasure Viper

[wicked tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-scream-pain-gif-10034820162071346400

https://tenor.com/view/aidanryry-kirby-smash-bros-super-smash-bros-ultimate-kazuya-gif-11759905622581972058

[north wolf]

here take this emote

[frigid hill]

calculating optimised doll xp usage be like

[wintry sparrow]

Narrator: It didn't happen.

[gaunt pawn]

Perfect example
Some here are wining their 1.2% sucess rates and some as me are losing 60% on R doll

[sudden fossil]

Gacha is like that

The feeling of u having a shot to be lucky drives you

[grand jay]

you know what they say, 99% of gacha players quit before they hit big

[wicked tusk]

120EUR doll upgrade pack looks wack when you know that all those mats will never super succeed lmao

🤣

[north wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gambling-gamblecore-jackpot-slots-gif-14045725261200423550

[gaunt pawn]

No they really dare to do it!
They released a new system so bad with all things totally RNG and rare just to see the opportunity to sell packs 😑
Greedy from gacha companies have really no limit!

[glacial robin]

Don't have to succeed to still give exp

[gaunt pawn]

Guess what when you feel completely unlucky and desperate about the rates/items rarity and you are tired to stay behind SU has an adequate solution for players

Also don't miss this opportunity they are offering some gems with the packs 😁

[wintry sparrow]

They need to refund dispatches reroll after all

[desert berry]

It's so over

We're done for

Knew it was coming tho

[gaunt pawn]

They just adopted the same strategy as for skills but in worst with the RNG stuff, make resources very rare in order to sell packs and accelerate the progression
They are just building a more P2W ecosystem by releasing new features
Clearly not new as business strat but disapointed by this move
Anyway I never bought their packs and I won't start do it

[maiden elm]

The gap only gets wider with new package on the shop
From rocks, and now kits

[gaunt pawn]

And I totally forgot rocks 😁

[glacial robin]

Yeah, I knew they would add these

Only surprised there wasn't a $100 SR doll selector box

[pliant grove]

there will be

[carmine leaf]

$100 random SR box

[grand bolt]

As much as I dislike the system, I hate to admit that it’s a mercy compared to that nightmare of a puppet system they cooked up in DC. By comparison, all the systems in Nikke are so straightforward and uncomplicated, not yet marred by true endgame min-max hell.

Also, am I imagining things or is SU targeting DC players with nostalgia bait? If so, it’s working. First the DC-esque Crown skin, now the SRos nod to Bikini Khepri. If the Stellar Blade collab does happen, that would be indirect DC reference because it is clear as day that someone over at Shift Up really LOVES and dies for Eve.

[half coral]

Wait so when do I use blue mats

[frigid hill]

from R0 to R15 at least

and I like using blue mats for SR5-10 as well

the purple and gold left are about just enough to get SR10->15 on avg

[maiden elm]

somehow I can imagine myself get all the material needed to get to phase 3 for 3 characters before I could SR15 my second treasure unit.
Poor non treasure unit will hardly get kit to increase their doll level

[delicate brook]

My main team is getting everything for dolls, gotta push that main story

[odd igloo]

Does anyone know what happends if a SSR Collectible is Max upgraded, can I still get the favorite Maintenance item (like Exia's AA Batteries for example) from Solo Raid even if i don't need it anymore?

[wicked tusk]

[obsidian basalt]

you do

[obsidian basalt]

bro calm down thats not bad

[gaunt pawn]

#1247084307332464670 message 😁

[wicked tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[bitter notch]

So, all blue until SR phase 10

Got it

[woeful kettle]

Rubbing all these commander dolls is making me gay

[desert berry]

It's technically yourself so it's just masturbating

[wicked tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/полировка-gif-25210287

[north wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116733237406994512/1267362912716984370/image.png?ex=66a88330&is=66a731b0&hm=2b26afc32974e3d3e5eba46b612dae6458dcf01ffd1c2b7d57820c6aacda87d6& for something that gives around 10% more cp, it shouldn't be rng-walled (from high 180k to 201k)

[delicate brook]

it's not rng walled tho, you just get faster progress with rng

would you rather it just be a fixed amount of how much you can go up at once without a chance of just skipping to the next tier?

[north wolf]

yes, flat and consistent is better as long as the numbers are reasonable and not like current state where you need 5 R kits for an R doll from level 1 to 2.

OL lines is already a perpetual gacha hell, no need to add another layer of gacha hell

[delicate brook]

they're supposed to be a long term investment, do you think it should only take a week to get a 10% power jump?

[pearl rain]

Doll was a mistake

[bitter notch]

I disagree, game needs this kind of shit

Prepare yourself for overload 2.0

[wicked tusk]

Yea it needs this kinda shit to drop players faster and accelerate eos

[wicked tusk]

4 new lines per gear unlocked, but you need 3 rocks to roll for each new line and it’s 99% chance of def up

[bitter notch]

Nah gacha players love hell grind

[heady wagon]

I'm ngl i just discovered this doll mechanic and i didn't understand shit of what should i do

i only understand that i should uprade an R doll to SR when it's +15

And to never combine SR dolls, only upgrade them and combine R dolls instead

according to the pinned comment

[frigid hill]

SR dolls cant be combined

and since R dolls are used first you need a R doll for every (important) unit before combining them

unless you wanna skip that and equip SR doll first

[heady wagon]

there was some nikkes i equipped the sr doll first

but i should upgrade the ones with R first to SR before upgrading the SR ones?

[frigid hill]

yes it saves upgrade mats

but maxing a SR doll costs around a month worth of mats anyway

so sometimes you’d rather equip a SR doll right away rather than wait with a R doll

[heady wagon]

i see

i understand now, thx

[gaunt pawn]

Also you have super sucess rates below according to the mats

Source: https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/collection-dolls/

[frigid hill]

#1248451493061857312

hashtag ad

[wicked tusk]

Fuck this game. Both accs

OTHER DOLLS EXIST SHITUP

Mf’s must’ve weighed smg dolls to appear more than others

[gaunt pawn]

I didn't get SMG today but MG still waiting RL doll
After RNG manufacturer gear, RNG Doll
Soon you will have a selector box in the shop

[north wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

SU:

[gilded tiger]

Whose treasure is gonna be better for the next raid, Exia or Frima?

[desert berry]

let the raid cum

[grand bolt]

After Red Hood, Alice, Modernia, and SBS, Crown, and maybe Naga, what non-treasure units would you work on?

[north wolf]

release char gets powercreeped 18 months in

[glacial robin]

B Soda is a solid choice probably as the central DPS of SG comp

[regal sphinx]

You’ve listed Iron, Fire, Wind B3s. You’re missing Water, Electric.

The only really great water Nikke is Winter Ludmilla. Have her?

Summer Anis can be the electric Nikke. Safe bet because you’d need three awesome electric Nikkes to bump her off any electric team for good. Currently there’s just Ein.

[regal sphinx]

Otherwise, work on the B1s. Liter, D.Wife, Dorothy, Volume.

[grand bolt]

Thanks for the recommendation! Bsoda, Mpriv, and Balice are unfortunately 3 of the 7 I’m missing currently so no SG team anytime soon.

[glacial robin]

B Alice thankfully isn't too vital

But not having the other two hurts

X Lud isn't bad for the extra ATK

Sadly MG dolls give terrible buffs

[grand bolt]

That actually aligns with what I was thinking, to have at least one water and electric built as well. Thankfully both are mlb as well. As for B1, only slapped an SR on Liter so far. Thanks for the advice!

[grand bolt]

That awful MG buff was the main reason for holding back on X Lud.

lol

[regal sphinx]

They knew, MG was already too good

[glacial robin]

Getting Soline an SR doll has helped my Elysion tower grind a bit, but I can't recommend it

[grand bolt]

Oof, that’s gotta hurt.

Did the Soline weapon fix do anything for her?

[delicate brook]

probably exia

[desert berry]

The units who actually have treasure

Will take around 5 months on average to actually get treasure

If you add them to Rh mod sbs Alice

That is a whole year worth of planning already

[north wolf]

how are you gonna slot the exia team though

[desert berry]

Crown

[regal sphinx]

Also because of elemental play, may be worth moving Naga to the Exia team. Who knows?

[grand bolt]

Unfortunately, none of the treasure units have been enticing enough yet. Somehow, someway, luck has been on my side and I finished RH, Alice, SBS, Modernia, and Crown.

[regal sphinx]

We’re a week away from knowing how PITA the Solo Raid Challenge will be

I’m going Frima btw

[north wolf]

i’m stuck between lap and frima

frima is teamwide supp but lapcheong is also good for pvp like T-Bone who uses her

[desert berry]

That literally can't work

[desert berry]

Frima is not good for pvp

The fuck

Oh laplace

I can't read

My bad

[bitter notch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shake-gif-19831790

[north wolf]

lapcheong is good

chinese pork sausage

[dim zodiac]

Lap so hard mtf wanna fine me

that shit crazed

[north wolf]

[desert berry]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanye-kanye-west-stare-gif-25613074

[regal sphinx]

RIP

[delicate brook]

i thought slolo raid was on the 2nd?

[regal sphinx]

Yeah, but that’s day 1, where we can run levels 1-3

Need day 3 to see Challenge, then that runs for a few days

[delicate brook]

ah true

still less than a week tho

[regal sphinx]

Lazy rounding

[glacial robin]

Although if the next event/unit influence solo raid scores, then it truly will be a week until we know how screwed we are

[wicked tusk]

Will the whales have enough time to max core zwei and show us how she improved their score by 1billion?

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-talking-invetigating-mad-explain-gif-16881825

[pliant grove]

damn, only 1 SMG doll out of 4 random R dolls for SR today

guess i'm lucky

[regal sphinx]

SG, AR, MG, AR.

[obsidian basalt]

3 RL 1 MG

[frigid hill]

1MG 3SR

got my 7th R SR gave it to Nihilister

[north wolf]

what about ein

[frigid hill]

oh..

I forgot to add Ein to my list

[north wolf]

exia, frima, maxwell, rh, alice, who else?

[frigid hill]

dolla helm harran

[north wolf]

[frigid hill]

mustve gotten more than 7 I guess

dkw

how many did I fucking get

10

only 1 RL though

[desert berry]

Harran?

[frigid hill]

thats the 10th best SR unit probably

I wanna get a R doll on every nikke

they all deserve one

then I’ll reroll

it’s not like I’m in need of SR dolls anyway

[muted scaffold]

I've got 6 SMG R dolls since the introduction of doll system. Recycled 4 of them out of despise

Got 20 purple kits. Still worth it

[north wolf]

not worth for me because those 20 purple kits failed super successes

[pliant grove]

you'd prefer 4 smg R doll ?

not me for sure

[woeful kettle]

I got 20 purple as well

Better than sr smg

[north wolf]

cindy is smg for sure

[gaunt pawn]

who knows lol, hope harran will get a good upgrade during 2nd anniversary

[woeful kettle]

Harran and isabel should get demoted to elysion

[wicked tusk]

They should get deleted

[desert berry]

I only put her here

She goes down to 5th once they add Ein

[delicate brook]

they'd have to buff smgs first

she'd also be the first

[frigid hill]

eh couldve given it to smary I guess

fuck trony sakura yulha though

[pliant grove]

cindy gonna be the 1st 4x smg Nikke

[regal sphinx]

Oh that’s a nice and useful priority list

I’m starting to have too many R dolls on standby

[gaunt pawn]

Ein is missing from DPS and PVP, it needs an update 🙂

[delicate brook]

exia is a better dps than trony

[regal sphinx]

RIP Trony, too much feet and too little hands

Looks like the right move was Exia, that 1b dmg is nuts

[placid plover]

that exia is like 60%+ ele dmg ?

yeah, big dmg for a b1 unit

[obsidian basalt]

level 11 800 blue

[desert berry]

Oh I forgot about that actually

[regal sphinx]

Not bad, wish I was luckier

I should’ve screenshotted supplies before and after

But I still have 42 blue, 2 purple, 32 gold kits

Went R doll phase 15 -> SR doll phase 5
Phase 8 super success
Phase 11 super success

[bitter notch]

Damn time to invest in epinel

[wicked tusk]

Mast treasure?

Re enter b2 from b3

[bitter notch]

Mast treasure, CDR and atk buff

[dim zodiac]

take that down

[desert berry]

Lmfao

[muted scaffold]

I got 2 smg purple dolls today. That's my third one. SU better give us a smg treasure next

[regal sphinx]

Liter treasure, turns her into a dmg carry, forces her burst to be B3, becomes game’s first B3 CDR. On burst, she switches to a machine gun that has piercing and just enough ammo to run out right before 10s burst duration ends.

Last bullet triggers a massive screen nuke.

No longer B1 Queen. Now B3 Queen.

(also, so Volume can get off the bench)

[frigid hill]

?

lorax™️

[woeful flax]

Damn

SG team with SR15 doll should be very strong

The effect pretty good

[bitter notch]

Yeah, bsoda and mpriv deserve their puppets

[woeful kettle]

How much more jiggle is volume getting with her treasure

I think i will overload her instead of donkey kong

[obsidian basalt]

level 6 100 exp gold

soon rh will be done

[delicate brook]

i don't even have modernia

[pliant grove]

that's a lot of MG doll

same shit for me, but with AR instead

[wicked tusk]

I don’t even have scarlet. Who do I give my ar dolls to

[frigid hill]

[pliant grove]

the 2 summber girls

[regal sphinx]

Snow White pros would give one to her

[wicked tusk]

I have her lb2 and level 1

Should show how much I care about her

[regal sphinx]

That’s it really then. AR candidates atm seem to be Scarlet, Summer Sakura, Snow White

[wicked tusk]

For real tho, I forgot Snow White was ar

[regal sphinx]

Might as well hold onto the doll for future Nikkes

[wicked tusk]

That’s what I’m doing

[regal sphinx]

Wait for Cinderella to be AR

[wicked tusk]

Holding on to my sr smg dolls knowing that cindy will be dual wielding smg

[regal sphinx]

There are some non-carry ARs though

Like Blanc

[wicked tusk]

Yea she has a doll

For arena cp padding

That’s it lol I just kept hoarding ar dolls after that

[regal sphinx]

Dorothy

Here, I was curious too since I have an AR doll as well

Is it time for 2B to make a comeback?!

Dorothy, Blanc, S.Helm, Privaty, S.Rosanna, S.Sakura, Scarlet, Snow White seem to be the only “real” ones

2B if someone still using her

Rupee if someone waifu’d her

[obsidian basalt]

me but AR and RL

[woeful kettle]

I still havent had a single sg doll why are they avoiding me

[delicate brook]

i mean some people were using her last solo raid lol

[woeful kettle]

50 purples couldnt level this

[bitter notch]

Welcome to rng

[open raven]

It makes me laugh that I never get gold boxes from the rng boxes. Because if I don't laugh, I will cry.

[obsidian basalt]

your fault with starting with SR doll

[regal sphinx]

I wonder, what’s the worst luck when trying to start with a R doll and get it to phase 15?

If willing to use 10 gold kits for the phase 10 -> 15 part, then it should be 80 purples for extremely bad luck? 40 for 1->5, 40 more for 5->10, then the 10 gold?

That’s roughly equivalent to losing coin toss 8 out of 10 times, btw, very unlikely

If trying to “save the gold kits” and actually still insist on using purples for the R doll’s 10->15, the extreme bad luck outcome can be at least 120 purple kits used

But on the other side, if lucky with the R doll, winning coin tosses, and daring the 45% chance for 10 -> 15, you can use merely 30 purple kits to reach phase 15 (reminder, that’s SR doll phase 5 once you replace it)

[delicate brook]

100 blue kits and only lvl 7

[regal sphinx]

Blue kits should never be counted on for super success unless they’re at like 50% or higher chance

Their best use, imo, is to level a single phase to bump the odds for your more scarce kits

[delicate brook]

it's on a blue doll

[regal sphinx]

True

[grand jay]

remember 99% of gacha players quit before they hit big

keep spending those blue kits till you got what you want

[north wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gambling-gamblecore-jackpot-slots-gif-14045725261200423550

[obsidian basalt]

gold kits on Rs is guaranteed

[woeful kettle]

[obsidian basalt]

rookie mistake

[grand jay]

dun worry, you'll probably miss that 75% chance anyway

[wicked tusk]

Definitely, not probably

25% = 100%

gacha math

[dim zodiac]

25% = wtf is that 600% rate up?

[wicked tusk]

Another 10 red mats gone, another absence of super success

[delicate brook]

80 kits on a blue and still only level 2 💀

[dense dove]

do 1 by 1

[regal sphinx]

Someone posted in maincord, screenshots and saying, he used 100 blue kits…
On a purple doll…
To go…
Phase 0 to Phase 15

All our luck went to him

[dim zodiac]

hm, I could only reach Phase 10

still take that

[woeful kettle]

The luckiest i think ive gotten is from phase 0 to phase 10 in 2 kits

But with the previous solo raid i could only get one doll to phase 5

[delicate brook]

That changes nothing

[delicate brook]

The duality of rng

[random sandal]

Managed to get Laplace SR from 0 to 10 with two super success off 70 blues

[regal sphinx]

Just now used 150 blues on purpose to get from phase 10 to phase 11. I hoped for luck, but nope

Then 10 gold to super success to phase 15. At least, I had some luck there

I think I’ll always want to pad my odds by going to phase 11 before using any purples or golds for the last part

[obsidian basalt]

thats what ive been doing

usually works out

[wise blade]

do we have a list somewhere explaining which nikkes are priority per weapon type

[frigid hill]

prydwen

[north wolf]

it's up to preference. do you want any particular unit's treasure? do you care about every cp you need for campaign? do you care about pvp use too?

what units you don't have etc etc

[wise blade]

thanks, found something useful on prydwen

[delicate brook]

gotta love dumping 50 blue kits into an R doll to get 1 level

[sudden fossil]

-80 for dispatch gay as fuck

[wicked tusk]

My 3rd one

https://tenor.com/view/silly-altright-pepe-rekt-frog-hammer-anime-gif-15946863

[grand jay]

nice, who you gonna put it for? crow?

[wicked tusk]

thinking Cinderella, since by the amount of smg dolls I’m getting, she’s def a dual smg unit

[grand jay]

forever bricked if cinderella is smg lol

[wicked tusk]

Glass slippers SMG time

[random sandal]

RL calling it

[regal sphinx]

In b4 Cinderella is the first Unarmed Nikke and none of the dolls can be given to her

[sudden fossil]

5.58 + 1.04 + 1.59 + 15

Wait.

A.

Fucking Second.

You spend on average 232.1 Blues to get from R 0 to 15.

And you spend on average 228 Blues to get from SR 0 to 5.

Ah shit.

@desert berry WE NEED TO FIX THE GUIDE.

WE HAVE BEEN DECEIVING PEOPLE.

Wait no.

I miscalculated.

I apologize for the sudden panic attack.

You spend on average 182.1 Blues to get from R 0 to 15.

**New Maths For Dolls
**

• You spend on average 182.1 Blues to get from R 0 to 15.
• You spend on average 228 Blues to get from SR 0 to 5.
• You spend on average 103.33 Purples to get from SR 5 to 10.
• You spend on average 50 Golds to get from SR 10 to 15.

[bitter notch]

From lvl 10 to 15 Sr is better gold right?

Or can I feed my purples there?

Idk if I'm losing to much kits

[sudden fossil]

Much better solo gold

[bitter notch]

K

[sudden fossil]

Blue remains optimal till SR 5 (3.125)

A bit inefficient to SR 10 (3.6)

[bitter notch]

Then purple from 5 to 10

[sudden fossil]

And very inefficient above that

[bitter notch]

Ok ok

Imma ask to momo if he wanna fund me

[sudden fossil]

Tbh I feel like

We have way too many blues

So its like for every 4 SR 5 u have

You only get 1 SR 15

[bitter notch]

Blue sucks

[sudden fossil]

This is the most optimal distribution

[bitter notch]

I mean, is ok for low lvls

Yesterday I opened 15 gold kit boxes

Just 2 gold

And all blue

[sudden fossil]

Neec aku

[sudden fossil]

Its right

In other words, 4 SR5 + 1 Treasure every 2.11 months.

This is the most efficient and optimal pathway.

And you will need 5 R Dolls + 5 SR Dolls to achieve this.

Which is also within scope.

You will have 17.155 spare R dolls.

And 5.55 spare SR dolls!

Technically, you have 5.25 SR 5 every 2.11 months.

335.7 blue

125.69 purple

No way

Yeah

3 treasure per 2 months is possible

[regal sphinx]

Kisenix the Panic Attacker Event SR freebie

So ultimately, blue kits for blue doll ‘til phase 15?
Then swap blue doll phase 15 for purple doll phase 5
Then purple kits for purple doll from phase 5 to phase 10?
Then gold kits for purple doll until phase 15?

And if out of gold kits, can risk purple kits if in a hurry

[obsidian basalt]

i usually do purple kits level for 10 -> 11 then use golds

[bitter notch]

mmm

[gaunt pawn]

tired to see SMG give me RL 😑

[woeful kettle]

I got another ar doll who to use it on i already have dorothy blanc scarlet

[glacial robin]

SW, Asuka, SSakura

[woeful kettle]

I guess ill save it for sw when i get her

[regal sphinx]

How good is a purple doll at phase 0? Is it functionally superior to blue doll at phase 15?

[sudden fossil]

No

Blue from R 0 to SR 10

Purple + Gold from SR 10 to 15

This one enough for 2 treasure every 2.11 months

[regal sphinx]

Alright. I’ll switch to that method

[sudden fossil]

I found out that there are 2 approaches

[regal sphinx]

I’m getting waaay more blues at this point since I stopped tryharding for gold kits from dispatch

[bitter notch]

I'm doing that way and I'm unlucky

[sudden fossil]

• Every 2.11 months, you can SR15 one unit, but then you can SR5 four other units.
• Every 2.11 months, you can SR15 two units, but you can SR5 only one other unit.

First route is Blue to SR 5, Purple to SR 10, Gold to SR 15 specifically.

Second route is Blue to SR 10, Purple + Gold to SR 15.

[bitter notch]

I'm following the second one

[sudden fossil]

Which is what @frigid hill advises.

[bitter notch]

I've got 2 SR 15 and 3 SR 5

Since the start

[sudden fossil]

Yeah, Sin and I messed up.

A few people did as well.