[Laplace] New Unit Megathread

[frank sky]

Don't take this chart to heart

It doesn't factor in best teams

[trim sundial]

Too late, I took a loan based on it

I see

So Laplace is missing someone else buffing her ATK

[frank sky]

Basically Laplace (when piercing core + body) will easily outdps modernia

Especially since stormbringer favours her element as well

Also, permanent pierce uptime so

Yeah lol

[vocal magnet]

Ez invest i’m gonna 10/10/10 laplap

Stonks

[frank sky]

Don't invest in s1

[steel yacht]

Can you pin the ideal skill levels for treasured Laplace, please?

[frank sky]

Go to prydwen

[steel yacht]

It's easier to just check discord, but ok :(

[frank sky]

Then use #1222201659355299941

[steel yacht]

Okay, thank you

[trim sundial]

I very nearly used my selector on RL, and my maintenance kits to go into Laplace’s blue and the subsequent purple doll

Literally less than 24 hours before finding out about this

But I told myself nah, I can wait, not like I’m needing Laplace to burst harder anyway in my blue power driven Missilis Tower and I don’t even know wtf the next Solo Raid’s going to entail

I was close to being the guy with no kits left and too knee deep with Laplace treasure to change course

Yep

I may end up going Laplace anyway

I don’t even use Viper currently and my Tetra tower goddesses are the bunnies

Two new Tetra units coming soon as well

If we count treasure as a rebirth of a kind, then three Tetra units competing for new big addition to meta

Not looking good for Viper unless the kit reshape is insane

Also honestly, maybe this is where Interception Ex Pro is going

Doll exp kits from there, who knows?

[stiff oriole]

Probably will get to 15 on phase 12-13 im currently on 12 (sr)

[celest haven]

dont complain

[earnest fog]

Mine lvl 8

[celest haven]

tbf I did already max scalter so

i also maxed out my sodab’s R doll

[cloud fiber]

Same brother

[kind rampart]

Did someone already treasured a well invested laplace and compared her with best DPS existing?

[frank sky]

Yes

[tepid stirrup]

did they fix the skill 1/2 bug

[frank sky]

There was no bug

They lied to you

[tepid stirrup]

wat

[frank sky]

There was no bug

Ever

[fast belfry]

The "bug" is that the on-combat numbers don't display all damage, right?

So it only looks like she's losing damage

(if I backread correctly)

[frank sky]

insert sex joke here

Just below modernia to just below sbs

Is the range

[jagged plank]

On my lap

Top

[earnest fog]

Plappy

[lusty wing]

[stiff oriole]

Laplace plap plap plap on my lap lap lap

[earnest fog]

buffplace

[umbral thistle]

labluffy

[torn totem]

lapgod

[naive merlin]

What actually changed?

[rustic fern]

Imagine if it was a nerf

[torn totem]

pleblace

[jagged plank]

imagine

they didn't understand the bug too till we verified

[rustic fern]

gatrix efforts at getting buff backfire?

[jagged plank]

haven't tested yet

but I can't wait to see less dmg because S2 is no longer triggered multiple times

[earnest fog]

Bro I'm building her pls don't kill me

[cloud fiber]

I cleared Hard Mode Chapter 30 Crystal Chamber thanks to her today, she's still decent

[jagged plank]

are you in NA by chance?

I saw a cleared back then with Laplace

not the lowest

but 2nd lowest true

the true dmg is very gay on high deficit

[frank sky]

Hello everyone, this is a request to anyone going for Laplace's treasure. Please try to do it if possible!

Currently there is no way to get to know Laplace's Treasure Story, since no recording of it has been uploaded anywhere either.
Hence I have a request:

To anyone who is currently going for Laplace's treasure. PLEASE record the full cutscene, maybe even show the missions we need to do to unlock her treasure! Thank you for your help in advance!

[umbral thistle]

something like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNpJpm2PUgM

[cloud fiber]

It's absolutely not, not only I got my Laplace FI this morning, but I'm on GL.
Also Laplace gave my team so much CP boost I'm far from being the lower clear at 874k CP
I must be one of the only guy tho clear this thing without S.Anis tho, my team was Liter / Crown / Red Hood / Laplace / Naga.
And if you ask "why Naga against CC", it's because she's Core 6 so if I remove her I lose a lot of CP, and I'm too lazy to fight without heal too

Laplace was really strong tho, with a better DPS than Red Hood even. I guess Bossing in High Deficit is really her stronger point, like a True Hero, she's stronger in disadvantageous situations

[umbral thistle]

do you not have alice/modernia or something

naga is also the right choice

[cloud fiber]

The lower clear in my server got something like Liter / Crown / Red Hood / S.Anis / Scarlet.
You can actually absorb every CC's attack with the cover, you just have to be cautious.
Naga isn't really the right choice, since CC doesn't have Core.

Modernia is really weak for the same reason btw. Alice is good, but there is the CP is on my end.
And if you're planning to fight CC without any Electric DPS, you really can't spare any damage. Especially since you'll lose time against his Shield.

Also, I think Laplace True Damage + the fact that you target part for 90% if the fight really made the difference.

[indigo swallow]

I guess itsa good thing they made cc

othervise sanis will be out of any job

[cloud fiber]

I hope I never saw CC again, 2 times was too much already

[indigo swallow]

have you done the hard chapters

[cloud fiber]

Yeah, I just finish Hard Mode with my Laplace this morning

[indigo swallow]

sanis benched

[cloud fiber]

S Who ?

[indigo swallow]

wow

clean

[earnest fog]

Midhood

[cloud fiber]

My Laplace was actually stronger than my RH during the fight, but RH got 1 more Burst at the end

[umbral thistle]

that's real nice

good to see laplace perform

[trim sundial]

You can see it again in MOG

[cloud fiber]

Already cleared MOG so I'm fine

[trim sundial]

Then all you have to worry about is Tower, someday, I guess

[celest stirrup]

How many Fiber Cleaner do we need to fully max out lap treasure?

[outer linden]

160

[trim sundial]

In broken windows, that’s 54

If Laplace breaks 1 a day

[stiff oriole]

Should i max out laplace treasure (160) mats

I dont know if its worth it

[outer linden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMw7CFTckMo

KR audio

[outer linden]

I'm waiting till I get these randomly from SR

working on other items in the meantime

phase 3 can wait

[jagged plank]

#pvp-arena-discussion message

look like this

if you really want to optimize it

swap Red and Laplace position

because Rosanna chew Attackers from left to right

so Emilia and Laplace can die

and you still have Red left

[outer linden]

exia or diesel

[jagged plank]

Frima

for PVE

then Diesel

without Rosie, outcome should still be the same. Emilia and Laplace hit with their attacks

Red as buffer

and fail safe

[trim sundial]

Maybe I’ll just cling onto my maintenance kits to the end of time

[trim sundial]

Frimaspeak: Sleep. Yes.

[modern geode]

how does the phase 1/2/3 works? like we use x amount of their item to unlock it?

Coming from failing 45% twice, I don't think I will use any of my maintenance kits for units that won't have the treasure
My poor units have to settle with their basic un-leveled dolls

[earnest fog]

Frima, clay, plappy, B2 cdr, flex b3

[fast belfry]

S15 doll + Bond 30 = SSR first phase.
50 special mats = second phase
110 special mats = third phase

(so 160 total needed to upgrade the treasure, but no items needed to do the initial conversion to SSR)

[earnest fog]

Imagine SR15 doll

[modern geode]

Thanks! I don't think I dive deep enough looking for this info to know I only need 50 for phase 2, I have 130 of laplace mats already 💀
might as well go all-in, but SR in few days

[alpine tulip]

I got Laplace treasure a couple days ago and was surprised that her burst upgrades early, and not at the last stage

I still did the special commission for her material, but I'm wondering if I should start doing it for Frima, and pick up the SR doll for her from SR

[trim sundial]

Yeah, treasure is guaranteed phase unlocks consuming exact amount of the unique maintenance kits

No RNG, no anything. Have 50? Burn all 50 to unlock phase 2. Have 110? Burn all 110 to unlock phase 3. Done.

You can’t even progress without having the full amounts… it’s binary

It also means maintenance kits past the initial 160 are totally wasted…

Just sits there gathering dust doing nothing

[jagged plank]

need quantum lv 7 on these 3

[celest haven]

or just get emilia to 21% charge speed

[torn totem]

ez

[compact bear]

low FPS affects burst's DPS right? Since it's basically MG

[spice citrus]

yeah low fps lowers dps

[jagged plank]

it's fake MG because it only shoots 20 ammo per sec

but yes, even with 20 fire rate, low FPS still lowers the dmg like wtf

[compact bear]

rip

[jagged plank]

looks like SMG to me

I will wait till next hit rate debuff to test her burst

will it make her shoot everywhere?

[rustic fern]

its smg

i looked at 30frame and it shot 15/s

iirc

[celest haven]

its smg with mg accuracy

[stiff oriole]

Laplace beam is easy to dodge you just need to move in a clockwise or counter clockwise motion

[spice citrus]

whats wrong with laplce and her treasure?

[trim sundial]

A lot of people, even non-ENG, tested and calculated…

So this is rather strange

Can you share your OL effects, Prydwen guys are going to ask that anyway?

And Treasure Phase you’ve unlocked so far (Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3)?

And exactly what did you test her against in actual combat?

If it’s the Kraken one, Solo Raid, I think that guy has basically no good piercing exploits

The tentacles are “apart” from the body & core (which is in its forehead)

Laplace’s in the same boat as Red Hood there… mostly doing single hits. And Laplace’s RL.

Hmm idk about niche. For example… I’d love treasured Laplace in Missilis Tower.

And there will be other bosses. Like Stormbringer. Laplace needs an electric boss with parts stacked on its body or each other, for competitive raiding

the current one is iron, so it’s basically BS.Scarlet and S.Sakura’s time to shine

Tbh I’d say treasure Laplace is still more of a wave stage fighter than a boss slayer, and she’s pressed into boss slaying only because of a lack of alternatives or because the boss has parts or projectiles which can be AoE’d by rocket shots

To be fair, where it concerns Treasures vs the current Solo Raid with the Golden Kraken

I wonder how many are considered great against it

I haven’t tried the fight yet so idk if treasure Diesel has advantage

Frima probably not

Exia at least she debuffs dmg taken on boss

Viper everyone’s laughing at her

[tranquil garden]

LMAO my Laplace is doing like 90% of SBS damage in Kraken.

[earnest fog]

Lmao your SBS is a meme

[tranquil garden]

SBS got like max ammo cap, ele adv, and charge speed.

IDK what's wrong with your laplace.

She seemed doing fine for me.

[mellow bay]

@proper pier what team you try with Laplace

[spice citrus]

how many ATK lines you guys got on your laplace and what team comps you use with her in solo raid?

[mellow bay]

Diesel trash too btw, cant solo sustain and barely buff dps

Rip all treasure

[spice citrus]

how much ATK % from OLs?

its a simple question

lol

[mellow bay]

Can u try compare with Modernia when u free, Liter bunny MW Mod vs Liter bunny MW Lap

[spice citrus]

im just curious

[mellow bay]

Since they say she's around Modernia

[earnest fog]

Dman Rh does +500m

[jagged plank]

so, do you pierce with Laplace this time?

[tranquil garden]

Laplace on ele adv and pierce bosses.

[jagged plank]

sure, do whatever you like

I'm tired

[mellow bay]

Dead then

[earnest fog]

Well better than Maxwell

And mw is SSS

idk guys just let me join in the fight

[blazing vale]

Is there a video with advanced treasure testing?

[jagged plank]

here, neutral ele. 37% ATK Red vs 17% ATK Laplace. 10/10/10 Red vs 4/7/7 Laplace.
Peak Lap should be 70% of Red

[spice citrus]

this got interesting

[kind rampart]

Good lesson 😁
For now I couldn't find Laplace in teams used by top players in this raid and I agreed that only consistent units (Alice, SBS, Mod,Naga, Crown, RH...) should be marked as hgh priority investments in contrary of situational units who will just be usefull times to times because of elemental advantage or other specific conditions
Until her turn to shine in raid will (maybe) come, she is usefull in Tribe tower ...

[frank sky]

Why is there a Laplace hatetrain going on

Just wait for a raid where there's piercable core ig, you'll know how good she is

[torn totem]

bcoz people got hyped too much

[earnest fog]

Plappy

[trim sundial]

Golden Kraken masterminding destroying Laplace’s reputation in preparation for the next villainous scheme

And behind him in the shadows is Drake

[kind rampart]

What I said above she will be a situational unit as many others for raid (Rem, Emilia ..) but not a high priority investment

[rustic fern]

u guys invest before raid pops out? i just hold my books til i need to use them

[hearty stump]

I often upgrade armor when raid is live

[celest haven]

not that guy yapping again

istg

god forbid she performs less than a unit who has less conditions for dmg and is on ele advantage this raid

and sure laplace has less burst gen then clip SGs but she wont have potential jackal/scarlet issues and does significantly more dmg than a clip could

[earnest fog]

damn bro told us how the world was created

[earnest fog]

Now go cook 7b solo raid whel

[tranquil garden]

Laplace is a hero!

how dare you say that slander!

[fast belfry]

Mod deals less damage than Noir this raid, so might as well drop her rating, too

[earnest fog]

Where epinel and D

Theoretically is their raid

Boss recommendations are AR and SMG

[fast belfry]

Epinel always F tier for bosses

Needs a treasure to remove that stacking on kill feature

Oh, better drop RH's tier as well since she's mid this raid

[earnest fog]

Mid hood

[stiff oriole]

Yellow hood

[frank sky]

All current units considered, Laplace would've been used in these raids

I'm not entirely sure about Alteisen and modernia, so we can consider them as ❎ for now

• 11/15 raid bosses would see use of laplace
• last URs stormbringer had Laplace as a pair to redhood over Maxwell since Laplace is top 2 iron DPS

In my opinion that warrants SS tier, in my opinion that's a must-invest unit, you're just unlucky this time since there was low pierce uptime available

Well, mod is top tier meta whereas Laplace can be replaced

The fact is that lap can more than just compete with mod, and Pierce units are broken as shit. A raid curated to benefit Sustained damage units isn't really the ideal place to judge lappy

Helm works fine at 4/4/4, she isn't a must invest unit like others are

You're right about rem, but that's about it

But tbh I didn't expect them to drop units like crown followed by b.soda randomly to nearly completely phase out rem

The next tier list update should reflect the priorities in her skill prio, but that's about it

I think you're wrong about Laplace and others tho

And yeah, SGs are "late game" cuz they're team 4/5
Why the hell would you invest into them when you haven't even completed campaign lol

If you add land eater, maybe she's not a pierce friendly boss either (even tho she has regenerating core parts which you can double hit on)

So you can make it 11/16, which means Laplace is usable on ~70% of the tyrant bosses in the game

Effectively

[gleaming tree]

TLDR Snake baited us into pulling and now we blame him

[frank sky]

I remember saying that Emilia will be more useful than rem

As a unit

[gleaming tree]

good, i don't even remember my name

[frank sky]

Also it's not like rem is terrible, she's a future proof unit as far as I'm concerned

[gleaming tree]

waiting for a proper true damage team to boost lappy into SSS

[frank sky]

I mean you guys hate SW, might as well go to Rem

Or well, now you have Rosanna that competes for the same spot

[frank sky]

I don't think she'll ever be SSS personally

[gleaming tree]

[earnest fog]

Oni chan used Laplace in train raid

That was before her favorite item

https://youtu.be/0tZ6Us4RyhI

[frank sky]

Wouldn't say she was "just a little useful" with a 100% usage for top 50

She was enough to make a difference

[earnest fog]

[frank sky]

Well, 12/16 then 75%

[earnest fog]

[frank sky]

What month was this raid last year, if you remember

[earnest fog]

It wasn't too late for me, I invested in SG

[earnest fog]

10 months ago

[frank sky]

So august?

Or september

Sep was 2b raid iirc

[gleaming tree]

[celest stirrup]

they got him?

[gleaming tree]

I SURE HOPE NOT

[frank sky]

He touches grass now I think

[gleaming tree]

[limber ruin]

i thought lap burst well in phase 1?

[frank sky]

For kracken?

[limber ruin]

yes

[frank sky]

Yeah as long as pierce is up and core is hidden she should do better than mod lol, cuz lap is doing ×2 her base there while mod can't reach her potential

But when the phase changes lappy will drop hard and mod will gain hard

[earnest fog]

This new trend, need pierce to hit core but you cant pierce, so no X2 hits

[fast belfry]

Then 2.3% for the next two raids

Rem might be on the bench for long-term players and those who own all Nikkes, but she's still a very useful unit for newer players

I still use her for Union Raids, and she'll definitely get used in later Water SRs

(if Crown hadn't come out, she'd probably still see high use)

[outer linden]

someone cooked here

[mellow bay]

Highest Laplace team damage this raid

[fast belfry]

Kraken is specifically designed against pierce units

Like Alice's damage is also pathetic this round; she's mainly just there to make SBS stronger

[gleaming tree]

Kraken on enikk

[earnest fog]

People with m-chan make Alice stronger

[vale valve]

Finally

[torn totem]

damn 10/10/10, gimme your excess manuals

[vale valve]

Stop thinking you can compete against whales in SR and maxing out every hyper meta team
Just build units/teams which are fun and suddenly manuals are... manageable. Still gonna get top 1% anyway

[frank sky]

You also need to keep it in mind that
Laplace can do shit other than just raids

She can definitely fit in campaign
And PvP

But regardless
I still think that a 75% use case for a unit is pretty fucking good

And it's definitely not mid

Lol

They are late game cuz, again, you focus on raid teams after you're done with campaign units

You do NOT need fucking maidPriv and soda and Tove built at ch20 normal

If it's shiftup trying to downplay pierce units
And you're focusing on one raid boss : (
I can't do anything about that

[jagged plank]

LET"S GOOOOOO

[frank sky]

Mf u have 2 treasures alrdy?

[jagged plank]

[earnest fog]

Lvl 12 R lappy

What is this bad luck?

Come on

[celest haven]

whel

[celest stirrup]

Trix reminds me that viet guy i know in azurlane, optimize UR research so much (alarm setup), when everyone only have ~1 UR plane, the dude already working on 3rd copy 💀

[fast belfry]

Mhm. Always best to use resources as secondary considerations

[trim sundial]

I’ve been hoarding recently, because I can just get by anyway

I guess my excuse is waiting for Champion Arena to see what’s up before I burn anything to the bones

[earnest fog]

P5 in champion arena gonna be funny

[celest haven]

5 teams is gonna be so unbelievably fucked if that happens

cause def is actually just gonna be impossible

[celest stirrup]

What if they hide 4 out of 5 nikkes

[celest haven]

that would be so ass omg

gachaing in pvp too

[frank sky]

They'll just make it rng wins lol, most gems wins

Why not make harder win conditions, better coding, better rules, more units, maybe even different, new types of units

We already have gacha in gacha in gacha in gacha in gacha in gacha when it comes to dolls

That's 6^

PvP will be like 15^

[celest stirrup]

Why dont you make a thread in maincord and let people tip in idea before it too late

Dont tell them you f2p

[frank sky]

No more f2p

Keripo does that for us

I'm just waiting for champs rule set

Then I'll be back in

5 teams is interesting as fuck

[celest haven]

5 teams is awful when you can barely make 3 competent pvp teams

if they release another dedicated pvp unit then its diff

[earnest fog]

Rn you need like 10 RL SR dolls xS

[frank sky]

You can make 5 teams if you have every unit

[celest haven]

sure but would the last 2 teams even have a semblance of investment

[frank sky]

Ditch your raid investments and instead invest in PvP nikkes

You'd see results i'd say

[celest haven]

fair enough

but not many people want to do that

and idk if that should be expected

[celest stirrup]

that depend on the incentive of champion arena

[celest haven]

true

[celest stirrup]

imagine Pilgrim treasure locked behind CA

[celest haven]

i hope they do free skins

but thats too much copium

[celest stirrup]

monthly reset shop skin, treasure exclusive, 5-10 rocks, couple skill book box, top 100 frame, there, already better than SR and they are all reasonable

[celest haven]

i agree but maybe if the skins didnt get reset but stayed in the shop so newer players could still obtain them

and when you obtain a skin it goes away so it doesnt get crowded

[jagged plank]

if you can calculate everything

it becomes Meth

and even LoR the ultimate math fest has a lot of RNG (still flop because its core is a math solution)

[torn totem]

where did you guys get that 5 team ca info? is this leaked or is this just someone cooking from eden again?

[fast belfry]

⛏️

[celest haven]

just guessing

[fast belfry]

#1059468005911830558 message

[frank sky]

I work with shiftup

[torn totem]

sure dood, and my dad knows the CEO

[frank sky]

Oh nice
I work as an intern under the ceo

[torn totem]

lemme just snitch on the guy that you're leaking secret info then

[frank sky]

The CEO told me I am allowed to spread this information

Mostly because it can be changed anytime they want to change it because they be like that

[torn totem]

ah good, tell him 5 team is stupid, change it to 10

make sure that even the R units get their turn in ca

imagine putting skill points and OL'ing them

[weak pilot]

skill priority for laplace after fav item is 10/10/10? I think I'm too late in the party scrolled up by a month but didn't see much. Also phase 3 worth getting or is phase2 good enough for 10sec laser

[celest haven]

4/10/10

[jagged plank]

Missilis 349F

Lappy carried me

[weak pilot]

So phase 3 not important then

[trim sundial]

Champion Arena will change its theme every week. Some weeks will be Missilis Only, or No RLs, or No Defenders, etc

RIP everybody’s plans

[celest haven]

no RLs…

that would be so unbelievably fucked

[earnest fog]

No burst

Pure flat dps

[celest stirrup]

[stable oracle]

Cube and ol for lap ?

And 4/10/10 as stated up there ?

[jagged plank]

ATK ELE

Ammo is acceptable

charge speed is highly recommend for PVP

cube is bastion

and skill is as stated

[stable oracle]

Mmk

Went dry again of manuals with summer , when reset 😦

[tranquil garden]

How, damn you built her so fast

[stable oracle]

Almost done , needs 3 more ult levels

Holy hell the CP boost she was ultra low and got to top 3 spot

Without even max lb

[trim sundial]

Laplace needs a costume upgrade

If they can give her a “even more super heroic” costume that’s striking, that’s pretty cool actually. Doesn’t need to be even close to sexy, just damn awesome

[hearty stump]

Yea, a cool cosmetic for her would be great

Since drake and maxwell have cosmetics

[celest haven]

she just needs a skin in general

[earnest fog]

Hero plappy

[bitter ocean]

i thought you needed mlb for treasure

Did I waste my tickets

dont answer that second question

oh you just need lb2

nvm

:P

[fast belfry]

MLB was the original requirement

Then it was considered too unfriendly to F2P, so it changed to Bond 30 (which requires 2/3)

[earnest fog]

Plappy

[trim sundial]

Well, now it’s 3 treasure every 6 months?

[earnest fog]

Frima rem lappy ein

[earnest fog]

But lappy could be meta Vs this new solo raid

[mellow bay]

[earnest fog]

Good new is that Rh is back with her Dwife waifu

[jagged plank]

Maxwell is finally powercrept

[trim sundial]

Nooo

[earnest fog]

Nah imagine+40% atk buff powercreeped

Maybe lappy is out

[leaden crown]

Stocks are rising.

Broken enough, she might be paired with Tiga.

Wait no CDR

[trim sundial]

Naive, you think they didn’t make Ein the CDR?

Though

I guess we’re all pretty sure that they would describe CDR in the kit teaser

So that being left out guarantees not a CDR unit. RIP

What did they say for Sakura’s release?

Original Sakura

Hmm, and D.Wife

[fast belfry]

Ein's description makes her sound like a B3, so I doubt CDR

First B3 CDR is probably going to be a Pilgrim

[leaden crown]

||Liberalio or Lilith for sure||

Well I know for sure that Chime will 99% have it but as B1

[fast belfry]

Mhm

[celest haven]

they didnt mention it in either sakura or dkw

[trim sundial]

The copium lives!

[celest haven]

b1 cdr dps

with reenter burst

ein frima rem laplace fill

[earnest fog]

B1 re-enter

[stiff oriole]

Ein zwei drei vier

[tranquil garden]

Ein is true damage?

[cloud fiber]

Yeah

[jagged plank]

no

[cloud fiber]

[trim sundial]

Ein is feather play kink

[earnest fog]

Ein is full kit damage

[stable oracle]

there we go

done , can rock her a bit more but ill save for ein

[bitter ocean]

smhmh not 10/10/10

you dont believe in the hero

[stable oracle]

I believe in my book shortage

KEKW

[bitter ocean]

then dont be short on books

its that easy

[harsh geyser]

Should i get Laplace in the mileage store?

[bitter ocean]

depends

[harsh geyser]

Wdym

[outer linden]

get her to lb2 with silver mileage yes

[tranquil garden]

Yes.

[bitter ocean]

well fuck

cant argue against that

[tranquil garden]

I mean i believe in my lappy, she's my strongest unit lmao.

[bitter ocean]

same XD

[tranquil garden]

latex suit imagine the smell gawd

[bitter ocean]

[tranquil garden]

so tight that you can see her hips, and her plump bosom.

[frank sky]

Me after watching Laplace's treasure story

You can replay the treasure stories now

[outer linden]

you can stop harrassing people for recordings now

[bitter ocean]

how do we even replay them btw

ah

i found it

[trim sundial]

@frank sky How much of treasure Laplace’s damage output is true damage? I think Ein was calculated to be around 50% of all her damage being true damage?

[frank sky]

Almost 100% of her damage is true damage

[trim sundial]

That was for Laplace, right?

[frank sky]

Yes

[frank sky]

Her normal atks are probably like 10% of her damage? Or smthng I think
I'm pretty sure that her laser is her main DPS output on bosses

Definitely not 100%

But almost everything comes from the laser

[fast belfry]

Yeah, Laplace and Ein can be seen like Dorothy and SBS, respectively, just with true damage instead of distributed

[jagged plank]

wait what's the value of new Tempering Cube

nvm

[prisma geyser]

finally unlocked her treasure. its trully experience

[trim sundial]

Got Laplace treasure, maxed out Laplace, took her for a ride in Missilis Tower, Solo Raid Lv6 mock battle, etc

Her OLs are alright, 60% ele dmg and some minor stuff, but not as great as I’d hoped they’d be

My judgment so far… with phase 2 treasure atm…

Pretty decent, felt like a Pilgrimless alternative that would work great

In a neutral element battle, Ein did as much damage as treasure phase 2 Laplace, in roughly equal bursting

Both were max skills, OLs, but Ein was MLB

While Laplace was MCB

So without favorable circumstances (parts, element, packs of enemies, etc), Laplace is only that good

But, I’d consider it good. We’re just spoiled by elite characters

My Missilis Tower is probably set for 3 years at this point lol

It’s only missing a MG type for hit count shield shenanigans

But Laplace burst for 10 seconds maybe counts for hit count problems

[outer linden]

mfw 60% elem is "alright OL"

[earnest fog]

[celest haven]

ikr

like donate pls

[trim sundial]

It’s because that’s all there is

60% ele dmg and the rest trash

Where’s my easy 40% atk 100% ele dmg

[celest haven]

[trim sundial]

PSA in case anyone thought you can use treasure Laplace in this raid. It’s a bit rough because when she’s bursting, she will continue bursting even while team’s in full cover, and will ruin one hit KO attempts by the sniper on the team

Kinda obvious stuff but I thought I could time things/get by but nope

10 seconds a bit too long

You can still force through the sniper’s one hit KO with some timing but eh

[earnest fog]

[unreal topaz]

recommended skill lvls on fav item lap?

[outer linden]

Skill Investment:
4/4/7 -> 4/7/10 -> 4/10/10

Overload Investment:
4 × Elemental
4 × ATK
1-2 × Ammo

Acceptable: Charge Speed

@unreal topaz

[unreal topaz]

ty g

[visual otter]

finally got my laplace treasure

with all the saved up mat

she is so good now i would buy her skin if there is 1 >.>

her treasure story is really good too.. wall paper kick ass as well

[jagged plank]

[haughty wave]

To keep you playing?

[trim sundial]

Isn't it simple? Phase 3 means Hero Vision lasts 15 seconds. She will, unless certain downtime scenarios occur, maintain it almost all fight long

I don't know how it affects the laser burst

But, intuitively, if not phase 3 then it seems it'll switch back to being regular damage after Hero Vision expires 5 seconds into the laser burst

Is it worth? No

You have to farm 34 days of unique maintenance mats to deal a bit more damage

If there isn't anything better to farm, then sure, why not

[trim sundial]

The reason it's not worth is because you're still dishing out the damage, it just won't be true damage

So unless your target is extremely heavily armored, it doesn't matter much

[naive merlin]

Theres the additional true dmg per tick too with the full stacks, not just the true dmg conversion

[outer linden]

laplace on ultra is pretty satisfying

[earnest fog]

Maybe viper is the real goat

[trim sundial]

I see, yeah.

So fundamentally it's the difference between:

Laplace phase 2:

• 22.2% true dmg ticks from laser 5 seconds and
• 11.9% true dmg ticks from full stacks 5 seconds, then
• 22.2% normal dmg ticks from laser 5 seconds
  ===
  34.1% true dmg ticks for 5 seconds, then
  22.2% normal dmg ticks for 5 seconds

Laplace phase 3:

• 22.2% true dmg ticks from laser 10 seconds and
• 11.9% true dmg ticks from full stacks 10 seconds
  ===
  34.1% true dmg ticks for 10 seconds

The laser drops in potency by about 33%~ if you don't have phase 3, for the final 5 seconds of the beam.

For in-the-moment needing every drop of damage, I guess it matters

[jagged plank]

damn

remind me of verifying for Mackii

[trim sundial]

But if you kill before needing that damage, you're fine?

[trim sundial]

Who?

[jagged plank]

someone's in Paris

5 stacks S1

and without it

dmg remains 16982 steadily

you only lose the 8554

@west pasture

[trim sundial]

Oh someone was slacking until they saw my posts and remembered that they had a duty to fulfill

[jagged plank]

[trim sundial]

So this is losing the stacks mid-beam, phase 2 Laplace?

And you're suggesting that either Modernia has 0 armor, or the beam being fully true dmg can't be lost even if the stacks drop mid-beam?

[jagged plank]

anyway for this part

no, I was proving that the true dmg check is one time

at the point of bursting, if you have 5 stacks Hero Vision

[trim sundial]

I see, that makes phase 3 even weaker than I thought

[jagged plank]

all of your dmg remain true

no matter what

[trim sundial]

Well, color me (EVENT PUN MUAHAHA) surprised

[runic zodiac]

?

oh yeah

[west pasture]

goody

[lost terrace]

Just unlocked her 10 sec laser

What's the ideal true dmg comp atm? Frima, Crown, Laplace, Ein and Dolla?

[jagged plank]

Free-me, Dolla/S.Helm, Laplace, Ein, S.Rosanna

[earnest fog]

Clay where?

[lost terrace]

[mellow basin]

Lap chan is pretty good

[earnest fog]

use shlem or maxwell in p5

you dont need heal in ultra

[jagged plank]

you will

soon

[earnest fog]

And shononono cooked this

I mean, almost 1b that is huge against no core ultra

So guys go build Lappy if you want headgear

[mellow basin]

Shelm? why her?

[earnest fog]

Because her s2

[mellow basin]

gonna try

did abit more dmg with shelm, around 100m, idk if it was worth the lv10 s2 tho

[vale abyss]

level 10 is 7.65% more damage than level 4, level 7 is 3.75% more. Level 4 is 20.55% total

does Laplace's beam benefit from Maxwell's charge speed?

[unkempt compass]

My teams are bricked. Maxwell buffs Liter and RH

[stable oracle]

uh she's good in ultra ?nice can find some use for her then

got her built up after treasure but not used yet

[mellow bay]

She's good but she still like 4th best dps in ultra

You would get better results if you SR 15 even Maxwell

[stable oracle]

lol

what a shame

hope she gets used eventually else ill have to reset lol

not spending any books in frima either for now

[vale abyss]

Laplace+ + Maxwell (off-burst) or Maxwell (burst) + Summer Helm?

[mellow bay]

I don't have good Laplace to test but i assume Maxwell stronger

Maxwell get advantage because can hit core+2 parts

This Maxwell is lv0 R doll btw

Doubt Laplace treasure can reach this damage even with extra stat from SR15 doll

Maybe later i will try borrow some Laplace to test

[trim sundial]

Maxwell can overkill, Laplace can’t (in the substantial sense)

So I’m somewhat certain that Laplace will remain inferior to Maxwell

But Maxwell doesn’t have a laser beam!

[mellow bay]

Yeah that's why Laplace inferior in ultra

[mellow bay]

Yeah sad Laplace not breaking raid team meta

[jagged plank]

if you tailor Max burst to hit body/core + 2 parts

then Max should always be better

it's like comparing Snow vs Alice

and you create situation when Snow can triple pierce

while Alice first shot will break all parts lol

then you said: Damn, Snow > Alice

for real

[vale abyss]

Red Hood breaks all the parts on her own

[indigo swallow]

you manage the rh aim to not break sides for mw/sw bursts

its a bit sweaty but yeah

[vale abyss]

Is this because of overkill? Your SW burst hits 6x?

[indigo swallow]

yep

overkill with sw does a shit ton of damage

[earnest fog]

Is this stage 7, right? What are Rh and maxwell ols?

Thanks

[trim sundial]

Tbh ShiftUp should fix that and prevent overkill from counting

But I think everyone’s long accepted it as a valid arcade trick

So perhaps way too late now

[indigo swallow]

they are too late for that

if they remove that the compensation needs to be huge like 1000 rocks and 20 resets or something

[mellow bay]

Both RH and Maxwell 4 ele 1 atk. But doll R lv0

I think can hit 4b if doll leveled

[earnest fog]

More than 80% ele both?

[mellow bay]

[mellow bay]

Yes

[earnest fog]

Nice, time to farm rocks

[indigo swallow]

farming rocks to farm t9m's

[earnest fog]

to farm rocks

Anyway build Rh and maxwell is really good

[unkempt compass]

My RH has 0 ele

[earnest fog]

Is not like spend resources in midkura just for a chill run in kraken

[unkempt compass]

Almost 23% charge speed tho

[indigo swallow]

my mw is 2 attack rolls and 3 ammo rolls

[earnest fog]

Kek

Mine 1 atk 1 ele un mxwll

[indigo swallow]

no rocks

[mellow bay]

Well yeah, seems like Sakura is wind only unit. While Redhood and Maxwell can be used every solo raid

[earnest fog]

Yup

[indigo swallow]

if sakura has enough attack rolls

[mellow bay]

@earnest fog but be careful wit Maxwell, she can mess up your buff

[indigo swallow]

she might be an ok team 5

just don't roll attack

[unkempt compass]

My Sakura has 3 attack and 3 ele lines

[indigo swallow]

ele rolls won't skew that much

[earnest fog]

X1 stk is ok

[mellow bay]

Im too afraid leveling Maxwell doll too

[indigo swallow]

dolls yeah

[mellow bay]

She might steal buff

[indigo swallow]

can't comment on that

[earnest fog]

Uhhh Maxwell deserves a treasure

Buff 5 nikkes instead of 2

[indigo swallow]

just make it 3

its enough

I'm suprised we didn't got a rupee doll yet

[earnest fog]

Moving to raid planning, thanks for your answer Noir

[indigo swallow]

ups right, mb I yapped

[trim sundial]

The truth came out. All along Laplace’s treasure was for Overclock

[jagged plank]

hater's gonna hate

[earnest fog]

Story hard mode?

[mellow basin]

is Laplace the only one worth favorite item?

[frank sky]

No actually

Exia and Viper are more relevant it seems

[mellow basin]

😒 🤔 will just save skill books for new characters.

[frank sky]

Skyjlv apparently found stage 9 clears for anomaly interception for #1245677456241856512 and laplace

[frank sky]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1dG19YYELs/

[fiery flower]

damn

Laplace has zero innate ATK
so the only source of that is from Crown S1

135% from atk damage bracket tho

assuming Crown and Frima S2 n burst maxed

[jagged plank]

[earnest fog]

Is actually double propaganda, Frima+crappy

[jagged plank]

texas could never

[earnest fog]

Texas only plays high deficit campaign

He doesn't care anomaly, solo raid, union raid, etc of nikke

Anyway backing to Laplace clear, wow Frima's busting her

[bitter ocean]

i havnt been bricking my account :0

frima is real

[trim sundial]

But at what cost?

[frank sky]

Ultra clear by Pyop from Mooteki (Global)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080003549368438895/1368820140141051955/ultra_laplace_1.mp4?ex=6828c5d8&is=68277458&hm=ff0100b4072b220ab2ae77c25d1cd5f4285bdffdfac81312b6ba47d25c224377&

Lapgoat Propaganda

RRH 0mlb, 90.02 ele
RH C2, 77.4 ele
Laplace C7, 84.4 ele

[tough dragon]

No SHelm, finally

[earnest fog]

2:59 damn

[fathom raven]

doesn't show damage breakdown, scam

[jagged plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040682768104960112/1373410471578828802/image.png?ex=682ba12d&is=682a4fad&hm=c497f2df03dcc892413a8fbcd118a3723e9edfa603abf5f7c8b4e7a325213bb9&

[fathom raven]

[earnest fog]

How many rocks, Gatrix?

You fixed only crappy?

[jagged plank]

to have that last ele line, 6 rocks

now I need like 2 3 lines ATK too

[earnest fog]

What about siren and rapiHb3+crappy?

[jagged plank]

yeah, something I'm planning to run tonight

in office rn

[earnest fog]

Also try Mast instead of helm

Mast the goat

[jagged plank]

tried, lamer result

[earnest fog]

[jagged plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910980477400264715/1374028173934592041/image.png?ex=682c8ef4&is=682b3d74&hm=c564bf55565b888d92cc39ba9c6adff21b73f5e47b0151df6269992817c5d44b&

soon

[earnest fog]

Mast cook

[errant temple]

[errant temple]

I did this while i was tipsy lol

We were celebrating a family member’s birthday

[jagged plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040682768104960112/1374063587319877723/image.png?ex=682caff0&is=682b5e70&hm=e4e448202449f4d7e98c63d5d7bb43f74c81fdea0421ff47834850b81d227780&

will collect the title tmr

Mast SR10 is enough to tip the scale

[earnest fog]

Sr15

[jagged plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910980477400264715/1374177828496474142/image.png?ex=682d1a55&is=682bc8d5&hm=2a492f5854ea2b092c4eddc15788cedc4719420f7b84840536ebbacba914fbb6&

title done

[errant temple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1371520354144485466/RDT_20250505_2303128775569897713339501.gif

[jagged plank]

https://tenor.com/view/doge_censord-censored-censored-version-doge-gif-20637356

[outer linden]

whats your laplace ol

[outer linden]

thx

[jagged plank]

this is Red

[outer linden]

full ele no atk

[jagged plank]

bad luck

also this is my final stop for both iron dps

no need to rock them anymore

time to funnel Rapi

[fiery flower]

congrats

[trim sundial]

Ultra is the last holdout for me. Wonder if I’ll have the chance to fix Laplace and Red Hood OLs

Interesting, his OLs were:
Laplace: 85.82% ele, 52.50% ammo, 8.96% chspd, 13.50% critdmg.
Red: 92.81% ele, 4.77% atk, 84.45% ammo, 4% critrate, 7.62% critdmg, 4.77% def

My Red’s 85% ele, 9% atk. Close enough.
My Laplace, though.. 57% ele, 4.7% atk

I need a new mighty Iron unit

Maybe Eve will be it

[marble urchin]

Lala == dum dum

[rustic fern]

laplace didnt make it in iron soloraid guess ill never have her for pvp

[kindred creek]

what's the 5 teams in Iron SR now?

[umbral thistle]

electric

and a bunch of irons

[fast belfry]

wdym　　, she saw peak usage in a year

[outer linden]

[Laplace] New Unit Megathread

renaming for consistency dont mind it

[fast belfry]

She's not a new unit tho

If anything, Helm and Viper should be renamed to be more consistent with the rest of the treasure threads, not Laplace renamed to be consistently with the two inconsistent ones

(though honestly should just clarify the threads are for favorite item upgrade discussion )

[outer linden]

we had a talk with other maids, I agree with this

but we agreed that we should keep Banner units as "New Unit" and day1 units as just "Unit"

I renamed Helm and Laplace as New since they are banner units, just that we didn't make threads for banner units at the time

[frank sky]

dw about it

its fine

[fast belfry]

Ohhhh, gotcha. Helm, Viper, and Laplace weren't OG, ye

[frank sky]

we're just checking on stuff

[fast belfry]

Meanwhile all other treasure units were

Makes sense thinking that way

it's been so long that they all feel like OG units now

[jagged plank]

Lap god

the ultimate answer to high deficit

Vesti and Laplace

[leaden crown]

Nice cope.

She works, but she works.

[errant temple]

[frank sky]

Believe in yourself, next iron raid has perma pierce

[trim sundial]

The only time they’ll do that is if they notice that most people divested from Iron piercers

[rustic fern]

Aren't all my irons piercer?

Except like raven

Rapi bomb splash, rh milk sw

[steady cloak]

you forgot eve and julia

[rustic fern]

U mean rapi's bitch?

And Julia I don't expect to see

[jagged plank]

[jagged plank]

so hard back then

now it's kinda braindead with Privaty kek

[pine cloud]

have u tested her with the new true dmg team?

[errant temple]

didn't really look that much into the new characters

[pine cloud]

ada seems to make her worth using outside pierce, and chisato takina are true dmg units

[errant temple]

altruia hard mode

even with the lines and 661 sync i can't break the shield

[pine cloud]

https://youtu.be/93Vf8RS7OXE

yeah this team is able to break the crystal

[errant temple]

interesting

i just didn't wanna invest in those chars so i ran with what i had

no rocks

[pine cloud]

understandable

[rustic fern]

i guess breaking the sheld actually does alot of it's hp

if it didnt then idk if that would be a huge gain if u just like

didnt burst and let rapi stack her bombs

[pine cloud]

yeah it was 800 bars of hp

breaking it once

[leaden crown]

So Takina BiS for Altruia now

GUYS CROWN POWERCREPT

I told @frank sky that Takina is Crown to True DMG DPS he doesnt believe

Although on his defense Takina is actually burst genning

[frank sky]

On one fucking boss bru 🥀

[trim sundial]

In a few years maybe you’ll run into the boss again in Tribe Tower

[rustic fern]

Crown was already power crept on zizz campaign with Emma eunhwa

[leaden crown]

shut

[fast belfry]

In a few years, Takina will be powercrept, too

[rustic fern]

In a few years tower will be power crept

Y0 is approaching tower finish

Once that's done it's ogre

It'll never catch up

[trim sundial]

You're underestimating ShiftUp

They are more than willing to spike things against the playerbase

[rustic fern]

in other content yes but in campaign tower it's been linear i think?

because we have been consistently growing faster than the release

[fast belfry]

Just wait for EX raid

10 teams and high DEF

[rustic fern]

AI raid

they normalize scores by making stages

and each stage makes the boss harder

[left gull]

can laplace s2 second part trigger if laplace burst shoots at parts?

[rustic fern]

yes

[jagged plank]

236

with

without it, 193

[rustic fern]

she shoots at smg rate

so smg going from 20->24 buffs laplace

one of the things i recall saying early on when we got mfra

her and QEQ were the main relevant smg

[jagged plank]

I actually forgot to check her code to see her fire rate

sadly it's not 40 or 60 /s

pls secretly buff her Shit up

[weak pilot]

Can someone confirm how many units laplace hit in pvp after treasure? 2 or 3