[Laplace] New Unit Megathread

[hollow tendon]

this is laplace's

so @frank sky , which one of these two looks like it "scales" better with ATK

I'm being a bit disingenous here bc

I obv excluded the true damage tick, which does a good amount of damage but isn't pierceable

but like the point is that the moment you pierce something, RH probably just does way more damage on this burst if Laplace's S2 is still disabled on true damage ticks

[rustic fern]

u dont enjoy ur alice/rh doing 1 dmg outside burst?

[hollow tendon]

even without including ATK buff

so imo Laplace is comfortably somewhere between SW and Scarlet

her main advantage over these two is remgod/frima

and remgod is worse than naga/crown

[frank sky]

I see

The difference is just too big on base damage for ATK to cover it up

I wonder who even will get frima treasure

[rustic fern]

imagine getting frima treasure before u get the 1 dps that can use her

chad move

[vale abyss]

when she's your only LB2 what are you going to do?

(the answer is "collect Laplace maintenance")

[rustic fern]

black ticket

[outer linden]

"+rep. This player is fantastic, just needs to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills"

[leaden crown]

Doro hits it full time

Im expecting Lappu to hit full time too

[leaden crown]

Recent raids have never really benefitted pierce that much

And cores have become extinct (they will only return on MG/AR bosses most likely)

On paper

Percentage wise

[rustic fern]

ur doro hits gd p1 core full time on sr?

my doro must be slacking

[leaden crown]

Laplace is better but she doesnt give herself ATK like RH does so thats already a difference

[frank sky]

I mean
nihilister favoured splash i guess

[leaden crown]

No more iron for 30 years after this

[frank sky]

bosses are set to repeat after anniv

[leaden crown]

Who said thay

[hollow tendon]

Pierce has def benefit a lot and even this boss benefits due to hidden core which is kinda dumb

[rustic fern]

even cc had double/triple on the pillars

[hollow tendon]

Limited pierce while not as stupid as stormbringer is still quite OP

[rustic fern]

nihil was at minimum double hit, triple for both guns phase

[frank sky]

• only 2 bosses that never appeared are land eater and kraken
• summer, collab and then anniv boss

5 months till anniv

bosses are set to repeat 2nd anniv onwards

[rustic fern]

gate keeper

imagine if they made gate keeper but it cycles phases

p1 1 ele, p2 2nd ele p3 3rd ele

for the 3 min

[frank sky]

cant be a raid boss

too timid

not enough gimmicks

also, if anything, hes the collab boss

[rustic fern]

gd literally has

0 mechanics

[leaden crown]

Who said that

They wont

They will change the element and rebrand the fuck out of them

Instead of Alteisen or Alexander, we are gonna have Anthonio.

[earnest fog]

SU is fkng random who knows bro

In everything

[viscid vapor]

The more I think about it the more going for laplap first makes sense

arena viability
tower viability
flexible dps for t4-t5

[tepid stirrup]

i just want that 10 second laser

[rustic fern]

or they will do some dumb stuff like whitesmith

[echo sinew]

So at this point is it a case of the smart people know she's good but just trying to figure out how good? Or still trying to figure out if she's good in the first place with the buff

[fast belfry]

She's definitely up to "good" tier at least

She's not mindblowing, but at least she could become relevant again

[prime gust]

Is it worth upgrading Laplace's skills above level 4 if I have her treasure?

[celest haven]

yes

7/10/10

[prime gust]

Ah...my books

[mellow basin]

Could also wait for confirmation. Doesn't sound like she is that good. Save books for new unit

[celest haven]

that would just be max investment in general

i still wouldnt go for it at this point

[jagged plank]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1249423469893124156

nuff said, it's still there

[umbral thistle]

sweet maybe this will give us a few uninstallers

[stone nymph]

which OL's should I take for Laplace to get her ready for her favorite item?

ATK>Ele>Ammo?

[earnest fog]

Yep

Emmm maybe she doesn't need X4 ammo lines

I guess 1-2 are ok

She scales good with atk lines, because no native self atk buff

[celest haven]

one ammo, others can be a charge speed or crits

[frank sky]

Ele > atk

Fuck ammo

Ele because Laplace will only be used on her element

[fast belfry]

ATK only top for campaign units and PvP units (cuz CP penalty nonsense)

For raids, Element is supreme

[celest haven]

tbf, its like a 20% chance ele actually matters

for raids

but min maxing wise ele matters more yeah

[outer linden]

just go 4atk 4ele

problem solved

[celest haven]

real

[outer linden]

ammo useless I think since her burst is infinite ammo

unless her off burst damage is decent

[celest haven]

it is but it doesn’t really come from the shot itself

its the additional dmg proc

i still think one ammo in general is nice

[fast belfry]

Much more likely for union raids

And yeah, Laplace's reload is on the longer side, so more ammo means better uptime on damage

Definitely not a priority tho

[celest haven]

well yeah but lets be real

UR isnt as important as people make it out to be

unless you’re trying to buy dupes on liberation units which is ??

[rustic fern]

how else will the omegawhales avoid the maximum sync cap

[fast belfry]

Depends on you motivations, I guess.

For my union, improving rank each time is a major goal

[celest haven]

i mean same

[fast belfry]

I don't care about the currency much

[celest haven]

but my guild leans generally on the more casual side while im more competitive on average

but i also care for the rewards

which is why ive been spending this SR time working on pvp a bit

since i got my 2 SG units to a decent spot

[fast belfry]

We're casually competitive; we do try to coordinate attacks as much as possible, but, as long as people are hitting, we don't really force team comps and such

[celest haven]

9/7/7 tove and 7/10/10 sodab

[rustic fern]

ngl at this point in the game i feel like UR has been outscaled a ton

to the point it matters when u hit more than how u hit

[celest haven]

same

[fast belfry]

For Day 1 players, definitely, but it's still a challenge for newer players

[celest haven]

exactly

[celest haven]

yeah but at the same time newer players aren’t gonna min max ele lines and worry about them

with UR in mind at least

[rustic fern]

i think around 340 sync u start just eating stuff to the face to do more dmg

[fast belfry]

They will if I'm teaching them!

[rustic fern]

shooting that missile instead of boss? im eating it to the face for 3 extra bullets

[celest haven]

im at 282 and I can almost 1 shot the 5th bosses

even at around level 10

[fast belfry]

Though I'm more on the side of "Use rocks for more OL gear" than for super-min maxing OLs

[celest haven]

it has to be a good ele for me tho like iron

[fast belfry]

Already have OL gear on all of the treasure units

[celest haven]

same

as long as the rolls aren’t complete shit

but

i still like working on some units a lot

like SBS

[fast belfry]

Only started rerolling Laplace now

cuz all she had was crit stuff

[celest haven]

mine is pretty much as perfect as you could make her without dumping 100+ rocks per piece

[fast belfry]

Main has 4x ATK and no ele but alt as 4x ele and no ATK (SBS)

[celest haven]

this is maybe like

30-40 rocks

total

[fast belfry]

Nice

But I definitely look at units for UR as much as I do for SR; maybe even moreso since SR is more kind about unit selection

I'm not as likely to use Laplace in SR as I am UR because I know exactly what five teams I'm going to take

[celest haven]

tbf I just usually run the same 3 basic teams

for UR

[fast belfry]

meanwhile in UR, if there's an Iron weak boss and I want to save RH for later, Laplace is a good option

Cuz RH usually works for all 5 bosses

Laplace probably won't

[celest haven]

yea

[fast belfry]

My policy in UR is use the weakest units possible to OHKO the boss in order to save as many better units

[celest haven]

im not gonna invest into treasure units till i get my main ones online tho

[fast belfry]

so Laplace getting stronger makes me very happy

I'm a Day 6 middle-line spender, so my main units (aside from OL line luck) are all pretty much done

Heck, I have OL gear on Product 12

[celest haven]

my SBS

oh I meant doll wise

i reroll my units probably a lot more than you tjo

[fast belfry]

Ahhh

[celest haven]

cause i still have a decent amount of units without OLs

though thats also due to no gear exp

[fast belfry]

I'm being really dumb about dolls probably

Spreading too thin

[celest haven]

(i didnt play all of summer)

so i kinda cooked myself

[fast belfry]

oof

[celest haven]

cause I was day 1

pretty much

i woulda been like

320+

[fast belfry]

I'm at Phase 5 SR on main and Phase 10 SR on alt for Laplace atm

[celest haven]

but my OLs goated so im gonna be able to cook a guy thats 352 cause his OLs suck today

[fast belfry]

Throwing blues at meta units' R dolls

[celest haven]

[celest haven]

I got 2 AR SR dolls

so im kinda cooked

[fast belfry]

Me with my 4x Max Ammo SW

[celest haven]

im waiting to level scarlet’s

[fast belfry]

(recently rerolled and fixed)

[celest haven]

i might’ve actually ended myself

[fast belfry]

One was a black line

Two blue

[celest haven]

I dont have SW built even tho she was my first pilgrim

i reset her recently

[fast belfry]

Lost about 40k CP rerolling ele/atk

[celest haven]

cause i dont use her

[celest haven]

insane

[fast belfry]

Dropped her four ranks

Feels insane seeing Laplace in my top row

These dolls are potent

[rustic fern]

the real reason to lapgod is pvp

[celest haven]

middle-line spender he says

[fast belfry]

Compared to a lot of the leviathans on this game, I am

[celest haven]

yeah she’s gonna be goated for champions

[fast belfry]

And yeah, Champion Arena...

[celest haven]

[fast belfry]

Not looking forward to it

[celest haven]

hold on lemme find it

[rustic fern]

compared to jeff bezos im homeless

[fast belfry]

I didn't say I'm F2P or a low spender

[rustic fern]

i gotta tell my tenants that whenever i raise their rent

[fast belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091417140076228628/1247540732152254545/whaling.png?ex=66684f58&is=6666fdd8&hm=5a2ca352a571e941cca2237610985219352ad4bb03a2aeb3403fbbf109ac3226&

I'm in the middle

[celest haven]

this is my account

[celest haven]

damn im in between whale and omega whale

oh wait

this is per month

what

[fast belfry]

Yes

[celest haven]

[fast belfry]

[celest haven]

mf my total spending is like

sub $200

ion wanna hear it

[fast belfry]

My alt is near F2P tho (a few skins to "fix" characters I hate and the monthly login gems)

[rustic fern]

My total spending is like

Crown skin

[fast belfry]

My alt is closer than my main to getting Laplace treasure

[celest haven]

(reds are 1 dupe except for marci and kilo which is 2)

[celest haven]

rng moment

[fast belfry]

Credit card can't fix doll rng (yet)

I expect doll/kit bundles by summer event

[celest haven]

donate to the poor pls

[rustic fern]

Wym we have doll kit bundles in gacha

Just spam that outpost refresh

[fast belfry]

I do

[celest haven]

🐳

[fast belfry]

Just being a dumb-dumb and prioritizing doll mileage over mats atm

[rustic fern]

Omega spam it and get only 2x yellow or 60box per slot

[fast belfry]

Gonna switch once most of my meta/PvP Nikkes have dolls

[celest haven]

im taking it slow on dolls

not like I have much of a choice cause Im only doing 1 refresh a day

that way I stay positive

[fast belfry]

Mhm

[celest haven]

[fast belfry]

I think I've lost at least 2k gems refreshing

[rustic fern]

I usually do 1-2

Now

[celest haven]

2k lost is wicked

i cant afford that

ive spent over 100 pulls on the bunnies

gotten so many offrates

like

[fast belfry]

Ouch

[celest haven]

this is probably the most gold ive seen in my life

[fast belfry]

Why spend that much if practically F2P?

[celest haven]

but only one sodab

[fast belfry]

Just wishlist

[celest haven]

building SG team

my standard luck is also awful

ive gone i think

50 pulls without a gold

[fast belfry]

Ah, same boat there

[celest haven]

on standard

and when I do get one

its usually some shitty elyshit

still no privM

[fast belfry]

My Laplace is Core 5, has been in the wishlist since the beginning, and I even spent 200 gold mileage on her once

[celest haven]

[fast belfry]

My Crow has never been in wishlist and is Core 6

[celest haven]

ive never pulled blanc

like

literally

i had to get her from the NY selector

i quit during bunnies

she’s been on my wishlist since I came back (JKs)

still haven’t gotten her

ive pulled noir twice

but it was offrates

not through wishlist

one of them was actually on balice

[fast belfry]

Sadge

Also sadge that Laplace S2 bug isn't gone

more reset tickets please?

[rustic fern]

People: it'll be wishlistable
Me after playing 1 year of not getting Maxwell on my wishlist:

[celest haven]

literally

for someone as core to the team as balice im trying really hard to get her

the diff between my cope team with GD and shooting range is insane

[next tusk]

C7 max Laplace, do i doll her

[umbral thistle]

no

you wait for the full reviews like a good boi

[frank sky]

my review: let her be dolled

[outer linden]

game wont let me

[tepid stirrup]

i just got it

will it brick my laplace

[jagged plank]

Emilia dmg per shot during FB

• 61.3% x 270% x 1.5 x 1,5 (her own S2) = 372.39% ATK
  Laplace Treasure 1 dmg per shot during FB
• 63.11% x 250% x 1.0947 x 1.5 + 132.45% x 1.5 = 457.74% ATK

Each Laplace shot should be 23% higher than Emilia

damn that's a lot

Her S2 is technically, 72% dmg increased per shot lol

Why do I bring this up? Because I was caught off guard today

saw SBS? Put Noah + Defender

real DPS is actually Emilia with Blanc + Red buff

Anis died like a dog

luckily Biscuit carried

anw

here Emilia with Blanc + Red can deal some pretty cool hidden damage

imagine Emilia but 23% better

her S2 is not bug on normal shot.

Noah Noise Sanis Biscuit Rapunzel. Standard

won by Biscuit lol

literally

if I put Biscuit P3

she would die

then Noah dies

then wiped

yeah, won first time by accident, then realize it's actually the best order here

noir shot the shit out of my Rapunzel Iron

probably high wind element Noir

[jagged plank]

finally KR noticed it https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/108555138?category=정보&p=1

I hope they pressure SU hard enough

[leaden crown]

I swapped to Exia today

[stiff oriole]

Did anyone max laplace yet

I want to know if good

I already dolled her though since the other 3 choices

Were undollable

[frank sky]

Not phase 3 but she's good

[jagged plank]

she is strong but can be stronger

if they address the bug and fix

[earnest fog]

Fixed is > Rh?

[celest haven]

you wish

[rustic fern]

fixed = missilis tower saved?

[celest haven]

missilis tower isnt an issue

its elyshit

[rustic fern]

eveery tower is an issue at some point

[celest haven]

im fucking blue cp in that tower and cant clear

cause i have no real dps

and no fucking way im building vesti

[outer linden]

150 ammo guillotine with heals unstuck my Elysion tower

thats how bad it is

[rustic fern]

dw

one day we will get a pierce sr elysion dps

and itll all be fixed between dwife and diesel

[high fjord]

how many laplace maintenance items should we need ebfore switching to another?

[jagged plank]

50

[high fjord]

ty!

[stiff oriole]

I used to think guillotine is as good as modernia

But it was just coping since i didnt have mod back then

[dark oak]

50 only?

[jagged plank]

last phase requires 110

but the gain is meh

[surreal pawn]

how to get the laplace item?

i have the 50 mats but no clue how to use them

[jagged plank]

you need to put SR RL doll on Laplace

and get it to phase 15

[surreal pawn]

ah

sr dolls only lotboxable or craftable in any way

[tepid stirrup]

there's the combine function where you can recycle 4 R dolls

with a chance for SR dolls

but it usually gives you more R dolls

then you can put an R doll onto someone and just upgrade it all the way

[median wren]

No, it will give you an SR doll if you were getting a doll, otherwise, SR or SSR maintenance kits from recycling

[stiff oriole]

Will you be able to exchange treasure mats later? What if i get more than 160 laplace treasures

[outer linden]

probably not considering what happens with cube batteries

[leaden crown]

High value unit cus they will 100% release a broken True Damage unit soon.

[jagged plank]

2nd lowest clear 460F using Laplace

[earnest fog]

Plappy ruls

[jagged plank]

everything about Laplace and her treasure version till now (they are the same)

• S2 bonus dmg can pierce, duplicate itself per part

• Burst true dmg also can pierce, duplicate itself per part

• Normal burst damage can also pierce, but it's kinda confusing because there's no pierce text (look at the 5591 on the right side)https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249423469893124156/1251460344006705162/image.png?ex=666ea8c5&is=666d5745&hm=21ab62b9358bbbe555ea9850ebf7f30c4471036ea0d780ea19deea3142d9f474&

• Last but not least, S2 dmg can't exist together with burst true dmg

Once SU fixes this shit, Laplace can actually deal insane damage against resilience part boss due to all her damage is pierce-able lol

[jagged plank]

@rustic fern starts here if you want a fast recap

[jagged plank]

also, her normal shot, even when hitting all 4 parts, only trigger S2 once. Very lol

[jagged plank]

@strange gazelle for now, read here. All the summaries so far

[strange gazelle]

Ok

[jagged plank]

pic for this one. 6100 only proc once although Laplace quadruple her full charge S2 dmg

[strange gazelle]

So… she pierces, but true damage doesn’t trigger s2

Isn’t that what you said in the very beginning

[jagged plank]

more like, prevent

yes, except we always think her S2 and true dmg never pierce

[strange gazelle]

Oh i never thought that

[jagged plank]

yeah, that changes everything

I mean, normal hit it only proc once

why the fuck it procs multiple times during burst

day 1 character

[strange gazelle]

Because it procs on damage

[jagged plank]

even then, 1 ammo should only proc 1 S2

but it actually triggers 3 ~ 4 times depend on how many parts I can pierce

[strange gazelle]

It procs per part

The weapon during burst is different

[jagged plank]

so let's say

• Past: We thought pierce 3 = Normal dmg x3 + true dmg (or S2 dmg).
• Now: We test that pierce 3 = (Normal dmg + true dmg (or s2 dmg)) x3

well may be

now once they fix the S2 dmg, it will be

pierce 3 = (Normal dmg + True dmg + s2 dmg) x 3

[strange gazelle]

If they fix

[jagged plank]

this is the ultimate hero for sure lol

[strange gazelle]

50% they never fix

[rustic fern]

time for lapgod?

[jagged plank]

time

@strange gazelle there's no bad bug

only wtf bug

[jagged plank]

Laplace final damage when hitting 2 parts + 1 body.

• Not 5 stacks S1: 22.22% x 3 + 14.78% x2 +1455.72%
• 5 stacks S1: 22.22% x 3 + 14.78% x 2 + 11.9% x 3 +1455.72% (in this case, all damages are true)

[frank sky]

Not 5 stacks is higher?

But it's not true damage

So true damage is higher overall?

Full charging is better

[robust python]

So lap s2 and additional burst damage can coexist or not?

[naive merlin]

Apparently yea
#1249423469893124156 message

[robust python]

Huge

[frank sky]

🐐

(after Rh Alice) ig

[limber ruin]

Lapgod?

[jagged plank]

Godplace

[stiff oriole]

Lapdance

[earnest fog]

Plappy

[earnest fog]

Mmmmmm well most probably next boss isn't iron weak

So idk

Is she good neutral DPS?

[leaden crown]

Electric weak

Kraken and Land Eater

Exia gaming

Idk why Im still farming Laplace lmao

Im gonna switch to Exia

[earnest fog]

Exia time has come

[charred sandal]

when is the overcock season coming up

rn even when i get some treasures i still don't have books to max laplace's burst

[naive merlin]

They prolly forgor about overcock

[stiff oriole]

Last time overcock was too hard for me i need it soft

[frank sky]

True

[viscid vapor]

a tiny miniscule more books is apparently too much

[frank sky]

I for sure know one company that doesn't overwork their staff 💯

Cuz shiftup fr doing nothing 90% of the time

[viscid vapor]

whatcha gonna do? Tell their artists to draw tits and asses faster?

[stiff oriole]

Is that with or without the voice actors

[torn totem]

tech support for the whales obviously

[earnest fog]

Clay lappy buffer

And she is SUS, seems like they wanna make a meta unit with true DMG in summer

[marble steeple]

Though frima and diesel gonna buff lap
But it become frima and clay now
Diesel would just stick with D buffing pierce and let those true damage shenigans do their own things lol

[jagged plank]

hell

they really want to force true damage agenda lol

[earnest fog]

Yep

[viscid vapor]

Team 5 permalock incoming?

Inb4 Cindy is true damage too

[earnest fog]

#the-eden message

Trust me bro

[limber ruin]

still 4 atk + 4 ele and 1/2 ammo?

[jagged plank]

yeah

once you have her Phase 3, you can even do 4 charge speed instead

21% CS to force that Laplace into Centi burst gen

[trim sundial]

In b4 Clay turns out to be 20s CD B1

[limber ruin]

her treasure phase 3 worth it?

[earnest fog]

B0 cdr

[frank sky]

how much is 5s

192 bullets

/2 = 96

96*11.9 = 1142% damage

2284% with 1 pierce

every burst

u decide now

[spice citrus]

where does laplace place amongst the top dps with phase 3 treasure?

[fast belfry]

Looks like PESU MY corrected his damage calculations

No longer up with Red Hood

this is vs Storm Bringer

[jagged plank]

which clip? Cuz first clip looked different

[fast belfry]

Sitting under Guillotine (1%) and above SW

[jagged plank]

and yep, lacking pierce hurts her

her final dmg is only 34.2% x 193

[fast belfry]

Better than Scarlet still if that list is accurate

[jagged plank]

this is pretty much Snow White non pierce

we will see her real number once you fight CC

part, pierceable at some point, non ele check

[fast belfry]

Though I question if SW and Scarlet have S Anis and Yulha buffs attached to them, cuz those make a big difference

[jagged plank]

shouldn't

this looks like raw numbers

aka solo performance

[fast belfry]

Except SBS at the top having Alice buff

[jagged plank]

team buffs do play different true

Miranda Yulha to Snow is like Frima Rem to Laplace

Frima gives 78% dmg up and Rem gives 60% ATK

[fast belfry]

Would be more accurate to include those since we pretty much don't see SW or Scarlet without those pairings anymore

Last time we saw Scarlet without S Anis was in the 2B cope comp during Wind Bringer

[frank sky]

tove leona but for laplace instead of mpriv

[frank sky]

this is exactly what i got as well

[frank sky]

vs stormbringer?

huh

this is lap with treasure phase 2?

i did not get this

hmm guess we'll find out

im guessing he thinks s2 is bugged

[stiff oriole]

What alice is strong shes the only meta i didnt upgrade

Surprised scarlet ranks so low

[fast belfry]

Bottom bar for Laplace is one upgrade, top is second upgrade

[fast belfry]

Stormbringer is far target and not elementally strong

Unreliable core hits mean heavy damage loss

Scarlet's not that strong to begin with

[frank sky]

It is literally in favour of laplace

[fast belfry]

Yup

Can't remember if UR version has turrets that can be destroyed or not

[leaden crown]

This is far in favor of SW due to part overkill

And in favor of Laplace for upgradability

Unfortunately part overkill is what makes SW SW

[earnest fog]

What is this list?

SBS beating Rh against SB?

Even Alice 32 hits...

Idk if this is in a fancy word where SB is neutral?

[fast belfry]

Wouldn't actually surprise me

JKs and DKW give Red Hood a lot of support

Take those away and SBS winning seems plausible

[earnest fog]

Oh 0 buffs

Interesting

And maybe 0 ele I guess

[jagged plank]

that's why I have to blow my brains out for the full buffs version

no buffs one are simple af

[earnest fog]

No ols when?

[fast belfry]

Yeah, list is no buffs except for Alice buff on SBS at top

for some reason

[earnest fog]

He considered elemental weakness?

[fast belfry]

Not sure. Watched video on mute

[earnest fog]

I mean I know SBS in boss is a monster

Oh

[fast belfry]

Gonna rewatch when I get home

Was on work break and forgot headphones

[earnest fog]

But I supposed nobody could beat Rh against stormbringer

[fast belfry]

I'd think so as well

If it had Wind Bringer's mechanic of hiding core, sure

[earnest fog]

Sure that is my point

[fast belfry]

but normal SB has 100% core exposure

[earnest fog]

Core+pierce impossible beat Rh

In sb

[fast belfry]

SR and MG paradise

[earnest fog]

And same for plappy

Is she that weak?

Well idk let's see in mock battle raid

Shotting range raid

Also aka union raid

ikr make 3b in raid is now a joke

~~maybe they rework union raid to sell more characters ~~

[viscid vapor]

making UR harder and having the shop sell doll stuff should be the first steps

[torn iris]

[jagged plank]

now when I think of it, Laplace investment means, full Phase 3 Laplace (160 tokens) + full phase 3 Frima (160 tokens)

the team pays off itself, but the amount of luck to get 320 tokens are insane, considering 3 per days and 30 per raid

[trim sundial]

No luck involved though

Just dispatch daily with the specific treasure’s maintenance kit selected

So you can measure the exact days, in this case 107 days

Or calculate, I meant

[fast belfry]

Until they give us cash shop bundles

[jagged plank]

Solo Raid is RNG

[trim sundial]

Yeah but before you know it, 107 days will be gone

[fast belfry]

Yeah, the amount of each you get isn't set

I got way less of Frima's

[jagged plank]

and the new batch of Treasure will be available

better Laplace

better Frima

[trim sundial]

They’ll also be releasing new units meanwhile

[jagged plank]

2 gold suitcase

[trim sundial]

Crown V2

Red Hood V2

[jagged plank]

I know it will happen

RNG on top of RNG

[celest stirrup]

Why u still playing

[jagged plank]

momo pls

[earnest fog]

Wuwa wasn't enough for gatrix

Maybe zzz finally put him out of Nikke

[teal kestrel]

Yippee finally. Tha phase 3 is gonna take a long while man.

[vale valve]

Deffo worth it though

Lappy good
Lappy fun
Lappy strong
Real Hero unlike that red haired harlot

[teal kestrel]

Wait yours is already phase 3? How do you manage to do that lol

[vale valve]

Nah, phase 2

I don't think P3 is possible yet

Unless you hit the .0000000000001% chance and only got Laplace items from SR

[fleet compass]

it's impossible
You need 160 kits and you get 3 each day
So no one is at p3 atm unless cheating

[vale valve]

I think SR gave 50 of those random mat boxes right?

could remember wrong

Anyway lets pretend it was 50 and you locked out Laplace item out of every single one

You'd still need 37 days of Dispatch to reach P3 and the system isn't even that old yet

[teal kestrel]

And also what's your skill numbers at?

[vale valve]

10/10/10

[fleet compass]

it seems like so
I checked my inventory and I have some mats for Frima, and I have never dispatched for her mats

[vale valve]

Maxed S1 because why not more combat power

Yep

[stiff oriole]

Laplace doll is forever stuck at phase 10-14

[teal kestrel]

wonder what her teams looking like now after her favorite item

[fast belfry]

Gotta get Frima's treasure for her

[jagged plank]

No one tests lappy against cc yet?

[earnest fog]

Cc?

Why cc

Why not sb

[fast belfry]

Because SB doesn't have parts in UR

CC not only has parts, but hitting the base of the crystals pierces through body as well

You lose the elemental advantage, but otherwise it's taking advantage of her full kit

[earnest fog]

mmmm

I wanted blame gatrix

[torn totem]

just blame him, no need to hold back

[jagged plank]

I think I convince snek enough

[tranquil garden]

go all in for lappy

[rustic fern]

i gave up on frima ill prob just have laplace -> exia/diesel

[teal kestrel]

Did not level up her skills that well and she's already as strong as my max RH lol. Though granted her favorite item does boost it so much but still it's crazy

[earnest fog]

Lappy hood

[hollow tendon]

CP doesn't actually reflect performance

game thinks leveling up eunhwa skills is worth the same as leveling up alice skills

and that a black line DEF line is worth more than a min roll ATK line

[earnest fog]

Invest in Lappy sure

Phase 1 and 2 from her favorite item

[wide shell]

is it worth lvling laplace skills since she got her fav treasure?

[earnest fog]

4/7/7->4/7/10->4/10/10

[wide shell]

alright thx

[earnest fog]

[limber ruin]

why need her s1?

s1 duration 5-15s at lvl 1 4 7?

[earnest fog]

So s1 to lvl 1 is ok?

[jagged plank]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-laplace-treasure

[earnest fog]

I know nobody wanna invest in phase 3

me either xD

But maybe S1 to 7 if someone invest in phase 3...

[jagged plank]

why?

[earnest fog]

Ok leave in lvl 4

[jagged plank]

her dmg on pierce is

• 11.9% x 2
• 22.22% x2
• 14.78%
  = 83.02%

lacking 5s S1 means losing that 11.9% x 2 50% of the time

or losing 14.3% dmg

[earnest fog]

Gatrix so f2p no resources investment 1/7/7 is ok?

[jagged plank]

I think we can do phase 2 Laplace => Phase 2 Frima => Phase 3 Frima => Phase 3 Laplace

well if u plan using Laplace everywhere, then put Phase 3 Laplace before Phase 3 Frima

and stop being F2P

[earnest fog]

I'm in the dirt

[jagged plank]

so simple

[earnest fog]

No books

So guys priority lappy or sg team?

i hate f2p life

[eager idol]

the 2 teams are different tho

laplace multiple parts
Sg team i forgor

[jagged plank]

yep, depend on boss

pierce will make Laplace better

[hearty stump]

Yea, no wonder people got the treasures very fast

[jagged plank]

without pierce I think they are kinda same

[earnest fog]

And sg is x5

But my p5 is snow cope so next raid I'm fucked

[eager idol]

in prydwen guide. Pvp laplace treasure is just battery what happens if she bursts and deals true damage tho?

ive seen arena fights and she can only attack 4x so with pepper she can achive full stacks then deal true dmg

[jagged plank]

sound like Alice

or Red Hood

and you counter her the same as you do with other 2

[eager idol]

no splash damage? im expecting something like P2 dies to splash true dmg while Indom P1 is targeted

[jagged plank]

you never use Laplace, don't you?

I should remake this into MaryBruh

[limber ruin]

@jagged plank i need info about her treasure s1 at lower lvl...

[jagged plank]

15s

always

[limber ruin]

huh, so lvl1 and lvl10 doesnt matter?

bruh

[jagged plank]

ikr

just like diesel burst

lv 1 treasure = 10s

imagine you leveled her burst to 10 for 5s

while DieselTr be like:

oops?

[limber ruin]

atleast give her abit dmg buff

[trim sundial]

Get a computer

Oh… Discord scroll got me again damn

I thought that was the final message of the chat

How much stronger is phase 3 treasure compared to original Laplace?

[jagged plank]

strong

[trim sundial]

Can it be expressed as % stronger? 200% better Laplace?

[jagged plank]

it depends on pierce or not

but mostly

200% stronger

like 300 vs 900

[hollow tendon]

Original laplace isn't even a viable character

As far as I'm concerned the improvement is from 0

So infinitely better

[vale valve]

idk I'm pretty happy with my Lappy

Can't wait to reach stage 3

Dumbass is a force to be reckoned with

[mellow bay]

Sir what skill your Laplace

Also Laplace and Redhood OL

[vale valve]

Laplace core 5, RH core 4, both have maxed out skills.
Don't remember OL so I need to check out next time I login.

I mean RH is still stronger obviously but the fact Laplace can even get that close is good enough for me

[earnest fog]

My red hood with 29% ele and 44% atk

I can't test with lappy, I need RL doll

I guess his red hood is 0 ele

[vale valve]

Nah I do ele have damage on both

just dont remember the exact values/rolls

[earnest fog]

[frank sky]

Just check skill recs

[mellow bay]

Also your Redhood has doll? Sorry bothering you, cus your Laplace the only one close to Redhood damage from what i have seen

[frank sky]

I have an acc where Laplace does more than Rh on SB

60% ele Vs 0 ele

[fleet compass]

I don't think Stage 3 will give you noticeable dps increase unless you have true damage up buffer(Frima)

<- Party Pooper

[stiff oriole]

I used selector for rl doll for laplace

I think rl is ok since there are more meta rl nikkes than say ar or smg

[mellow bay]

I wonder if she really worth bricking my account for 1 month for her treasure

[frank sky]

Wdym by bricking

[mellow bay]

I mean doll mats

[frank sky]

If you don't spend it on her, there's bound to be another unit next rotation lol

[mellow bay]

Aint no way I lucky enough hitting those super success

[frank sky]

U can wait

[frank sky]

The thought process is like

If you don't do it here, you'll do it later

2 months, 2 more units to choose from..
Idk if that's amazing pace but it's a slow process

You essentially get to treasure 1 unit per cycle so..
2 if you're lucky lol

And you can only either get two treasure units to phase 2 or 1 unit to phase 3

It's a tough choice all things considered

What if next treasure cycle is better?

[mellow bay]

Somehow my Laplace got 45% atk OL, that's why i very tempted to do it

[frank sky]

I think 50 is good enuf

Phase 3 is a good buff but ain't worth 1 month worth of treasure mats idk

[earnest fog]

Plappy

[jagged plank]

phase 2 Lappy => phase 2 Frima => Phase 3 Frima => Phase 3 lappy

you can slot Diesel phase 2 somewhere here, your Elysion progression will actually feel much more comfortable

[earnest fog]

Yep because it starts in phase 1 then you spend 50 to phase 2

[trim sundial]

Isn’t this like showing Crow outperformed Red Hood? But Crow was MCB with 116% ele advantage, 40% atk, and 40% hit rate, with 10/10/10 skills. While Red Hood was 0LB, in T9M, and 1/1/1?

[trim sundial]

Discord ninja scroll

[earnest fog]

Well I guess Lappy with goods ols lines can easily surpass red hood

Remember in indivilia raid Maxwell=~red hood

So every nikke has their own usages...

[limber ruin]

[earnest fog]

Easy everybody survived

[jagged plank]

welcome to 26-25

also, the last time you can enjoy Liter

welcome to C25

where D:KW claps Liter so hard you would want to buy core dust

[earnest fog]

Rip liter

Demoted to solo raid

No wait, even in solo raid

Is like she is running with bunnies

im not being serious pls don't blame me

[celest stirrup]

Whats the breakpoint that makes her bad there?

[jagged plank]

play your account

well you won't feel it with 1 million CP tho

[celest stirrup]

Thats why i ask you

[jagged plank]

let's say, game spawns 1 Jellyfish + a few lures

you burst with Alice, kill them all

full burst end, game spawns 1 Column

and you can't full burst because 4s cd

once 4s is over, it spawns Silence mob

now you are fucked

[celest stirrup]

So its a second burst problem?

[jagged plank]

yep

also, 2nd burst must be as strong as first burst

because it doesn't spawn with just Column

but another Jellyfish

and a few Lures + Bullwhip

so u can't do the Red Red Red

because your Red will die, immediately

there's a reason that Yanni and Mcegan both rely on D:KW on their C26 and C27 clear now

game punishes you so insanely hard for that 4s

[celest stirrup]

Noted

Weak gamer

[jagged plank]

[cloud fiber]

Having nearly finished Hard Mode I confirm this.
Later stages have so much bullshit raptures you waiting for 4s is nearly always a death sentence, you need to chained Burst as fast as possible.
Liter is still better for Bosses or when the stage isn't too hard on timing, but overall D:KW is better.

[jagged plank]

true

bossing Liter is still god like

but normal stage

man

blue cp did us dirty

no one recognized how insane they made stages after C23

[earnest fog]

Now over 33% deficit is a fkng hell for me

[celest stirrup]

Joke on you 22% is a fking hell for me

[cloud fiber]

Each time they release a new chapter, I fear the new raptures these will bring with them.
With Blue CP, sure it's easy.
But in Hard Mode...

[trim sundial]

[tranquil garden]

lmao true

[frank sky]

this guy was the pioneer of pushing 40+ in commcord

bro fell off

[jagged plank]

he's washed

nowadays we praise Mcegan

[celest stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-crush-his-skull-naughty-list-naughty-ltg-gif-4715180270582084117

X2

[earnest fog]

Momo dont know but Gatrix is actually the admin

[celest stirrup]

Admin of cmonbruh corp

[earnest fog]

Admin in your heart

https://tenor.com/view/moe-moe-kyun-gif-19990481

[earnest fog]

Alice+support

M-chan support

[jagged plank]

no one's gonna know

[torn totem]

at the rate that I'm going with my super success luck, I think I'm gonna collect all the blue fabrics first before reaching phase 15

[stiff oriole]

How to get my lapdog to phase 15?

[mellow bay]

His Alice shit btw

0 atk

He said himself

Wait what ele weak chapter 23 tho

Well what kind of team he use

If he use mod too, probably his mod much stronger than yours

Also his chapter 23 is pre doll and OL update, so pure stat diff

And gaming chair

Wtf@celest stirrup , when comeback. Your homie miss u

[frank sky]

Why

[celest stirrup]

Said a guy who bought crown skin

[torn totem]

are you still going to insert questionable music choices into your video?

[celest stirrup]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4ZnkygoWLzcGbQYCm3lkae?si=msDwImOBRLigEIcKltjrzA

Yes

👉👌

[trim sundial]

So hang on

Is the Treasure release schedule already determined?

Every 2 months?

So we’re seeing 4 more treasures by the end of August?

[marble steeple]

You only get 1 every 2 month so by august it will only +1
Or can be 3 but every half a year

[trim sundial]

Oh

[fast belfry]

They said it could change to 3 every six months as well if people complain about too fast of a release rate

[umbral thistle]

if anything they come out too slow

[fast belfry]

Nah, if they don't give us more maintenance kit and treasure mat income, it's actually fast

It'll be impossible for anyone to max all treasures, and impossible for most to even unlock all of them

[umbral thistle]

nah its really slow

first you have to see that a bunch of them are skips

i don't know about you but i'm not about to use a lot of resources into nothing

[fast belfry]

I'm a collector type, so I want them regardless of potency

You're talking to someone who has OL gear on Product 12

[umbral thistle]

for people like you they should sell the solution

targeting collectors is easy money shift up is really fucking up here

[fast belfry]

Yup

Though I care about meta too, so I'm boned either way

[trim sundial]

Treasure Viper coming out of nowhere to threaten Laplace’s throne of best treasure girl

[indigo swallow]

viper won with that screen alone

[marble steeple]

Would that random treasure thing give viper phase mats at update?

[frank sky]

viper has one of the worst kits in nikke, worse than SRs

good thing:
pvp burst genner is getting a buff!

curious thing:
is this shit ass nikke going to be relevant in pve now somehow?

[trim sundial]

Isn’t this meaningless with treasure?

Treasure is their opportunity to edit the kit

So I’mma just wait to see what the treasure does

[frank sky]

not really cuz like

exia is still just.. ok
so are diesel and frima

theyre just.. ok for now

[indigo swallow]

tbh the first wave was testing

they might get juicy with viper

or it might stay trash

[marble steeple]

Its kinda good if the atk buff last continously when boss appear +more type of buff

[indigo swallow]

she was my sole b2

for a long ttime

I know her kit

[frank sky]

yall want viper thread rn?

[indigo swallow]

sure

[frank sky]

@outer linden @gleaming tree u wanna make viper thread rn or wait?

[outer linden]

we dont have kit right

[frank sky]

https://discord.com/channels/968096627002851379/1065482528615583744

AYO

i didnt know it existed

[marble steeple]

So wheres the skin for lapgod
Still the only treasure units without skin even viper got one more when treasure release and its even gacha too

[frank sky]

laplace needs no skin

[earnest fog]

Hero skin

[celest haven]

viper’s kit is not that bad

it has good bones

just change the target mechanic

and suddenly shes decent to good

just make it so when theres a boss it lasts permanently

and wow shes good

just make the values a little better and

better leona

crazy

[indigo swallow]

#1065482528615583744

[hollow tendon]

wut

[celest haven]

like uh.. potential

thats how i refer to it

[frank sky]

If is kinda trash idk

[celest haven]

if you change how the target mechanic works its not that bad

[frank sky]

It's bad

25% atk + 10% hr? still bad

[celest haven]

the S1 is okay if it procs on full burst

just up the values a bit

[frank sky]

She needs a lot dude

[celest haven]

S2 hit rate needs a huge increase tho

[frank sky]

By a lot**

[celest haven]

30% hit rate and 40% attack would be fine

[frank sky]

Casually ×2 values

[celest haven]

tbf thats like normal to lightly less than normal buffs nowadays anyways

[torn totem]

alright just got super success to phase 15, I'm out of this gacha hellhole

[jagged plank]

nah

Viper soon

[earnest fog]

Out of gacha

There are +110 nikkes

Good luck with that

[celest haven]

realistically you have like 35ish characters you need dolls for

25 for SR and 10 that could be just pvp/extra investments

[vale valve]

That's assuming you're a competitive hypermeta player

Realistically people probably want dolls on their main team/attackers + some treasures

So that's maybe +- 10 dolls

Still doesn't change the fact this system is a bit swamp-ass

[outer linden]

why would casual players not want dolls on their units

[celest haven]

literally

im not saying try to mix max them all but you'd still want dolls on all units and eventually want to max them

but the system is incredibly unfriendly to anything but min maxing unless you just get super lucky doing whatever you want

[vale valve]

You people really are detached from the casual player base

I can't put it any more simple than this, they just don't give a fuck

They get dolls on the few units they like/use and that's it, anyone else getting a doll is a "nice bonus"

[celest haven]

its almost like I was saying that...

even just getting the dolls you want for the unit you like is incredibly unfriendly

let alone wanting to max your favorite unit

casual just means you play to play and you don't want to min max but that doesn't mean you literally don't want your units to get stronger

unless you're so casual you just play to pull a nikke you like and that's it

[vale valve]

Cba

Go find and talk to a real casual

hint: they don't post here

[celest haven]

no shit sherlock

[vale valve]

Gacha player IQ showing

[celest haven]

whatever you say buddy

can't accept a different opinion from yours that's on you

being dismissive and a hardass about it just shows your iq

[rustic fern]

But the convoy stemmed from some1 talking here

Thus excluded from the true casual I guess

[tranquil garden]

laplace go bzzzzzzz

[trim sundial]

What’s orange again? Is it non-treasure Laplace but still in OLs and high skill levels?

[trim sundial]

Nvm

[trim sundial]

Is Sorin at the bottom, Soline?