What’s Doro’s main damage source?
#[Elegg] New Unit Megathread
umbral sky
If Doro did 220m dmg, what % of it is her burst?
If it’s mostly owing to her burst damage, then we have to ask… how DEF works with it
I don’t think Mast helps Doro burst much if at all, but I didn’t test it
north magnet
Maybe not
umbral sky
So how big of a help is it to buff Doro’s other damage sources?
umbral sky
That was with Poli, and indeed I found it to be smaller than I thought
8% is like within range of “who cares” for me, I’d use either if it still achieved objectives
Though not if it was stacked with other concessions like ten 8%s making 80% loss in dps
In any case, I think Elegg definitely helps Dorothy much more than Mast, by far
But she only bursts half the time, but then again so does Mast, in Biscuit comp
north magnet
I suggest waiting till last day for dreamybull leak
Next unit is definitely broken
Cus solo raid patch
umbral sky
I think reason I like Biscuit trinity is because Biscuit is giving the heals
And cover repair
Now if only we had one more support B3 that’s damage
north magnet
Now if only we had one more support B3 that’s damage
Can't, cus Biscu is 40s
umbral sky
Then it would be a self-sufficient squad of all supports that still does pretty acceptable damage
Why is that a can’t? I’m talking about B1, Biscuit, Elegg/Mast/Any, S.Anis, MysteryB3
wind topaz
I tested mast vs elegg on water boss shooting range.
team was doro biscuit ass elegg/mast priv
elegg 4/4/4 no OL lb2
mast 6/1/5 no OL c2
elegg beats mast by 70m damage
umbral sky
Every 2nd burst squad heals thx to Biscuit, and you can still use cover, should be workable
north magnet
I tested mast vs elegg on water boss shooting range.
team was doro biscuit ass ...
Out of how much
umbral sky
I tested mast vs elegg on water boss shooting range.
team was doro biscuit ass ...
I salute your sacrifice, thanks!
wind topaz
820m vs 890m
river silo
My mast is 10/4/10 still lost
north magnet
Less than 10% too
umbral sky
Frankly here I think it’s weapon type advantage that makes Elegg win more
river silo
Mast lost by more
umbral sky
Machine Gun >>>>> SMG
wind topaz
if there’s a way atm to test mast/elegg with no core hit, I might do that
umbral sky
You can test shooting other parts of boss with Elegg if you’re willing 👀
12.4% is nice
river silo
if there’s a way atm to test mast/elegg with no core hit, I might do that
Why wud u do that
Most bosses have core
north magnet
Poli wins in that case
wind topaz
I forgot if LE’s dual vents are core hits
river silo
Poli wins in that case
Bruh u can literally test urself
U have 444 both right?
0 ol
Elegg wins cuz mg is an op weapon
Once elegg gets max ammo ol its over too
north magnet
I dont have elegg
umbral sky
Still, 70m is kind of one full burst striking range
north magnet
north magnet
Im not pulling Elegg till Roj kit is out
wind topaz
Still, 70m is kind of one full burst striking range
elegg’s self damage contribution covers that
river silo
Theres a reason why mod is god
wind topaz
elegg dealt like 148m
mast dealt 72m
north magnet
I want to see Roj kit first
umbral sky
Ah okay
wind topaz
could be rng thing too
umbral sky
Elegg is more likable too, Waifu tier higher than Mast
wind topaz
since mast s1 is rng
umbral sky
river silo
Piercing mg > piercing sniper > mg > sniper right @shut sable ?
north magnet
The fuck is piercing mg
river silo
The ultimate power creep dps unit
wind topaz
crown 
river silo
Best dps in game incoming
umbral sky
I think you meant piercing rl > piercing mg > piercing sniper > mg > sniper
wind topaz
piercing rl with no range bonus and laser accurate core hit? nah
river silo
Actually
umbral sky
Explodes on every pierce tho
umbral sky
A2 still has 7/7/7 skills and 4 OLs
wind topaz
next sr is gonna be wind train 
river silo
Anyways godegg
umbral sky
At least she’s doing better than my 2B with 1/1/1 skills and 0 OLs
cold ermine
umbral sky
Yup Simgod Elegg
wind topaz
I still run regular team on SI because I can’t one burst rotation kill bs, train and modernia
umbral sky
@north magnet Sorry to say but I think Elegg wins this one
Mast’s still useful though, so it’s not as if it’s a total waste
Like how my original Scarlet is still trucking
At least with Mast you have your bases covered for any future Max HP based Nikkes
Another berserker like Scarlet or Guillotine
north magnet
Waiting for rogue anyways
Im sure people who pull elegg and not wait for rogue will regret (assuming they dont have enuf gems)
wind topaz
elegg in theory scales better just because of mg and mast s2 is nonexistent after 30s
shut sable
Piercing mg > piercing sniper > mg > sniper right <@381720888539742230> ?
indeed
sniper without core + part to pierce
lmao I'm sure Exia can deal as much as Alice
north magnet
Now that's copium
quartz jackal
Is it recommended to go MLB with DPS Elegg? Or is she good enough at one copy? 
quartz jackal
shut sable
north magnet
Is it recommended to go MLB with DPS Elegg? Or is she good enough at one copy? <...
1 copy everything
quartz jackal
1 copy everything
So one copy for each spare body slot? Got it /s
umbral sky
Whale that chases only 1 copy of everything and efficient progression cash buys would probably still full clear everything and beat everything today 
He’d be like synchro 600+ by now
With 0LB Red Hood and still kicking ass
fresh flame
1 copy of everything would limit their synchro level. Don’t LBs and cores add to max synchro level?
umbral sky
quartz jackal
Jk, just sticking to one copy
umbral sky
That’s.. true
quartz jackal
north magnet
1 copy of everything would limit their synchro level. Don’t LBs and cores add to...
They pull ordinary for thqt
umbral sky
But how bad of a cap would it be?
fresh flame
Whales are forced to go deep if they want to hit high synchro lol
north magnet
umbral sky
Wishlist will cover some sure
fresh flame
They pull ordinary for thqt
That’s chasing for more than 1 copy tho
umbral sky
And random luck
north magnet
That’s chasing for more than 1 copy tho
Yeah for synchro right
umbral sky
Nothing like getting 3 Crows from SSR molds
north magnet
15 units
north magnet
Nothing like getting 3 Crows from SSR molds
No one cares if sync is what matters
Ordinary is better
Cus rateup has 1.5% zonk rate
2% counting pilgrim
shut sable
Piercing mg > piercing sniper > mg > sniper right <@381720888539742230> ?
also, we have piercing MG
umbral sky
What is the cap raise rate then, 5 per MLB?
shut sable
she's named Laplace
north magnet
Ordinary has 0% zonk rate if all 15 units are good
shut sable
fresh flame
But the zonk is core and lbs of other units that you’ll need anyway
north magnet
north magnet
But the zonk is core and lbs of other units that you’ll need anyway
Yeah ordinary virtually has 0% zonk rate
Thats why
fresh flame
But trash silver mileage
north magnet
Just pick units without max core
fresh flame
Idk. Someone do the cost benefit analysis and report back lol
fresh flame
Oh right. Whales would do that I guess
Idk. I still think summoning on advanced is better
You build gold mileage for your eventual core 7 pilgrims
Your zonks are body labels for recycle
And you get 2% for rate up
If someone is consistently whaling, then they should only be missing LBs and cores on the new rate up
fresh flame
But how bad of a cap would it be?
If you’re talking about hitting sync 600, pretty sure you need core 7 almost everything. The highest synchro is about 680 right now I think?
I could be mistaken. Maybe cores don’t add to max synchro level
Reddit says cores don’t count, only LBs up to MLB
So whales need to chase MLB for everyone I guess
shut sable
only MLB
normal snow
Im sure people who pull elegg and not wait for rogue will regret (assuming they ...
fk u
stable anchor
empty pike
The copium is real
what isroj
flat olive
anniversary dps free SBS from Alice
tranquil pike
Does Elegg buff Dorothy's nuke? not s2
river silo
Does Elegg buff Dorothy's nuke? not s2
ya
autumn atlas
So does elegg projectile dmg buff bypass hitcount mechanic
inner zenith
Hitcount Projectiles have HP and hitcount as seperate entities
If you remember crystal chamber projectile, it's hp used to be visible separately
And the projectile used to break before HP reached 0
autumn atlas
I thought the way they did hitcount hp was by giving the mob insane def values
So first effect is useless then
inner zenith
I thought the way they did hitcount hp was by giving the mob insane def values
The mobs work like that
The projectiles I think work differently
river silo
godegg
plucky topaz
eggod
shut sable
kinda same like Alice skin hopping
fervent shard
simple nimbus
Wobble wobble toil and trouble fire burn and drools bubble
lime flume
If you’re talking about hitting sync 600, pretty sure you need core 7 almost eve...
yep its 680
round bane
Fuck wrong channel
inner zenith
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-elegg
plucky topaz
nikke gg is different from pridwen gg?
lusty pelican
umbral sky
nikke gg is different from pridwen gg?
Nikke gg still has no tier rating for Elegg
Though, I concur with Elegg being tier A
plucky topaz
umbral sky
At a stretch she might be tier S, needs more Nikkes to solidify that
plucky topaz
the worst thinkable possibility would be she becomes mast mk.2 with upcoming collab's essential part
slim relic
Nikke gg still has no tier rating for Elegg
Nikke.gg rating is A Campaign C PvP S Boss
south stag
she's worse than poli there tbh
and by quite a lot since only Dorothy is improved by Elegg's burst
umbral sky
and by quite a lot since only Dorothy is improved by Elegg's burst
I thought practical testing showed that Elegg beat Poli?
Even though it’s true what you said, Elegg actually delivers substantially more personal dps than Poli can ever hope to
So this combined with just enough utility (like helping Dorothy do more burst damage), Elegg manages to prevail
Though this is the case, Poli does offer better survival, but whether that survival matters is up to the stage
Sadly, if the main thing is surviving, possibly both Poli and Elegg would be punted to the side by Marciana
river silo
@modern flax can u PROOFREAD PLEASE
modern flax
Proof read stinky
It's hard to fucking proof read shit if i'm the solo writer leave me alone
river silo
sterile raven
So this combined with just enough utility (like helping Dorothy do more burst da...
by how much does the entire team dps change though, 1%? 5%? 50%?
doing more by herself doesn't matter unless it makes the net team dps go 📈 esp cause Poli is a 4 4 4-7 unit that everyone has a gorillion copies of by now and Elegg is 4 7 7. She needs to be worth it
sounds like that's a no to me so far, unless I'm wrong
sterile raven
X
shut sable
even at worse, you don't optimize Elegg at all, she deals 81% of Sanis
sterile raven
there is no way she bring +91% net increase to the teams net damage
shooting range tests are like
very 10% increase
at most
sterile raven
sure
sterile raven
0, I didn't pull for her, its scope lock
shut sable
sound to me like Modernia scope lock
"oh she kinda match Scarlet"
anything can test on Scope Lock, not MG. MG scales insanely hard on Ammo
sterile raven
okay sure, pull another support unit to sink a million books into, I'll just stick with my 4 4 4 Core 6 poli and do 15-20% less net damage
shut sable
and on the reload comp, Elegg has 150 ammo
yes, I never said she's good investment
I just say she pays off the price
sterile raven
but thats my whole point
she needs to be a good investment, and it doesnt sound like she is
sterile raven
we all have ten copies of poli each already by now
the math doesnt make sense to me
brave yew
a lot of units don't make sense to invest into
you just gotta pick your poison
I decided not to invest into SG comp ezpz
sterile raven
yeah, and I forgot to mention the equipment XP and rocks to reroll into max ammo
plucky pendant
pin already sum it up, unless you are competitive about Solo Raid
like just for the sake of one upping the one above you to get into top 200-100-50
then every scraps of damage above the others count, otherwise skip
umbral sky
Right now, when we talk about “content that matters”, it’s basically beating Normal mode
In that case, Elegg is unneeded. Just bring your old but still good original Scarlet for electric needs, or the Summer Anis you couldn’t keep your grubby hands off of
Suddenly, you can skip Elegg completely and not be any worse off. UR, SR, screw them 
autumn atlas
Solo writer 
umbral sky
Also true for almost everything else they released except BS Scarlet, Red Hood, Blanc, Noir, Tia, or Naga
shut sable
pleb have to worry about normal, for whales, they have privilege of rolling Elemental on DPS now
inner zenith
Right now, when we talk about “content that matters”, it’s basically beating Nor...
That's subjective
For a lot of people, raids matter
For some people, even PvP matters
autumn atlas
Keyword some
brave yew
25 rocks and I didn't even reroll a single fucking good stat 
inner zenith
But then again, we have a strong PvP community in this server so you gotta cater to them
sterile raven
raid matters to me in the sense that if I literally can't make one of the good teams for the raid boss I get pissy
as long as i can make the teams I sleep well knowing my placement is due to a combination of not spending enough $$ and splitting investment partially into pvp units
thats why skipping leona made me so paranoid now
inner zenith
When can we quick battle SI
Can't we alrdy do that
inner zenith
thats why skipping leona made me so paranoid now
Just use dolla over leona
inner zenith
I meant all 3 attempts
That would make no sense 
sterile raven
Just use dolla over leona
I ended up using guilty, it was okay. But every time mpriv dropped her stacks I raged
autumn atlas
Just do something like clear boss under 20s to unlock perma quick battle
sterile raven
at that point just ask for them to give us stuff for free
log in, all dailys instantly complete, log out
autumn atlas
sharp arrow
log in, all dailys instantly complete, log out
May the Gods listen to your prayer!
sharp arrow
Just do something like clear boss under 20s to unlock perma quick battle
What I want is perma skip the entire simulation room its such a chore to click skip 20 times then have to go through load times for a boss that dies almost before the first burst.
sharp arrow
But then again, we have a strong PvP community in this server so you gotta cater...
When you finish all chapters the only thing to do is PVP. Raids are once every few weeks and you only need to attack once in reality.
Pvp is every day struggle. I just hope they would remove the chance to attack the same guy 5 times the same day. Its annoying when a whale logs in one day a week and he reduces your score 70 points just for fun.
flat olive
When you finish all chapters the only thing to do is PVP. Raids are once every f...
on the other end theirs us stuck with whales in ranking so the only thing left is hard campaign
and tower
dreamy cape
Egg
agile gull
Hey does egg girl scale well? With more copies?
Or 1 is good? Like how 1 copy of blanc is fine
inner zenith
1 is fine
lethal jackal
Does she viable in Arena ?
shut sable
do you know what D stands for?
Don't
Biscuit
fact
both Bis and Ele can deal dmg
Leona can deal with me instead
I still lack Quiry
and some damned seasonal limited
it's okay, you just need to be creative
Yanni taught me a weird shit strat to pass a stage with Quiry
that's a 43% deficit pushing
Quiry came in clutch for sure lmao
lusty pelican
shut sable
can be Noise but she's B1
short valveBOT
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif
lusty pelican
Me with 254k stuck in chapter 14 boss
shut sable
JP freak
lusty pelican
lusty pelican
Except for boss
shut sable
for exaple, Yanni 18-18 cleared, he could clear first wave with only Red burst
lusty pelican
Electric weak
shut sable
probably 70+% Ele Red
and then his maw blew 80% boss hp
another 70%+
ele diff allows you to do impossible
I don't have ele so I have to be normal pleb
lusty pelican
shut sable
still, watching them JP/CN try harders feel like bless to my eyes
back then we had GavinY and his freaking Alice Maxwell Privaty comp
lusty pelican
lethal jackal
do you know what D stands for?
D for me means D****Sleeve
shut sable
bro really "aimed" at those small flying mob
I couldn't do that. I suck at FPS at this age
lusty pelican
bro really "aimed" at those small flying mob
shut sable
his trademark comp
still, its limit is 35%
can't be higher
you need Tyga to do that
currently, world record clear is around 45%
of course, 100% ele
wonder when we can make up the last 5%
lusty pelican
shut sable
because 50% is impossible, due to how this game is coded
grim atlas
because 50% is impossible, due to how this game is coded
From code perspective it's not hard to change how deficits scale.
But I suspect it's hard from technical aspects to add pvp skip to arena
So we can only hope they change scalling after too many players push on currently high deficit
inner zenith
From code perspective it's not hard to change how deficits scale.
But I suspec...
it is extremely easy to add skip to arena
u can already do it
when the match starts just close the game
the reason is because pvp result is calculated before the game shows the video playback
plucky pollen
because 50% is impossible, due to how this game is coded
On the bright side, if someday we get to the point of clearing with 50% being possible, we can probably clear the whole hard campaign without worrying about cp deficit, since the stat debuff is already maxed out
shut sable
grim atlas
On the bright side, if someday we get to the point of clearing with 50% being po...
Before that happens devs will add nightmare campaign game mode with bonus story scenes and higher difficulty
plucky pollen
Before that happens devs will add nightmare campaign game mode with bonus story ...
I'm morbidly curious about your prediction. This game has been a daily simulator for a month to me now. I want new content
grim atlas
Try playing new account f2p
spare jetty
I'm morbidly curious about your prediction. This game has been a daily simulator...
Elegg give you a lot of contents already, just look up reddit, twitter or pixiv
pearl hill
so elegg is a must pull?
spare jetty
yes, with both heads
fervent shard
so elegg is a must pull?
if you have doro, yes. if you have SBS, choose yourself
or read pins 
fervent shard
ade wh
shut sable
pearl hill
if you have doro, yes. if you have SBS, choose yourself
i'll get doro eventually
fervent shard
no need to pull now then tbh
pearl hill
cool, thanks
fervent shard
just add her to wishlist after and chill
pearl hill
yep, makes sense
lusty pelican
sterile cove
What OD skills for Elegg?
fervent shard
overdose? 
sterile cove
OL I mean
agile gull
Maybe hit rate ammo
fervent shard
atk emmo ele
eager glacier
sterile cove
Done
river silo
Maybe hit rate ammo
u basically nvr want hit rate on MGs
agile gull
Oh I thought she was AR
river silo
@north magnet how come u aint typing here recently
i liked to come here after work to read ur cooks and throw up a bit in my mouth
plucky topaz
how mad am I trying to mlb her
autumn atlas
ask if your wallet approves
wind topaz
she's not overthrowing any meta supports atm. she's a complimentary support to an already existing team comp.
for whalesveterans like me with a damn saturated missilis wishlist (c7 laplace, maxwell and c5 drake and pepper), I'm fine with not MLBing her. she'll just relieve the pressure of wishlist for missilis units like tia and naga.
north magnet
<@308926283482398720> how come u aint typing here recently
I sent this but Snake deleted it
open horizon
got x2 ammo (60 +60 ) and 1 element damage on egghead, is it good enough or do I keep rerolling for mroe stuff 🤔 unsure if attack is getting her much stronger or not
either i reroll for attacks or elemental or i start OL leona
shut sable
as MG, more ammo is better
but she's in a special comp
so you don't have to sweat it
open horizon
north magnet
Tbh pulling Elegg might not even reach you BEP
break even point
She doesnt magically make you gain 300 more gems in raids
fervent shard
river silo
wow baldsenix so smart
plucky topaz
I hear a word bep every fucking weekly meeting in monday
tranquil pike
beep
Break even-more even point
tranquil pike
I hear a word bep every fucking weekly meeting in monday
you hear the word beep
plucky topaz
flat olive
Elegg reached by BEP so that's enough tbh
tranquil pike
Elegg reached by BEP so that's enough tbh
meanwhile Syuen embrace beep
spare jetty
break even pelvis
inner zenith
Soon 
north magnet
Snake where my pvp pilot
Why no ask me?
river silo
Why no ask me?
for every one message i send to you, you send me 46 back
im not trying to wake up to 372 notifications
north magnet
for every one message i send to you, you send me 46 back
But that means Im more serious and dedicated
