Should we chase ol lines for her?
#[Moran] New Unit Megathread
hazy berry
plucky shell
only if u care about elec
she beats out rouge in full elec team if u give her dps lines
hazy berry
Does it matter for arena?
hazy berry
K
foggy violet
Of the two hard meta treasures, Privaty lines will be more impactful for raids
opal elbow
In her case especially for Water weak.
hearty canyon
1st try on moving ele to the 3rd slot
fervent fog
skills budget?
keen matrix
10/10/10
lethal ravine
7/10/7+
S2 is her cdr so u kinda have to max that one out
Or high enough so that ur not waiting on her cooldown
atomic oasis
atomic iron
10/10/10 12/12 5/5/5/5 or brick
cosmic bramble
0/12 5/
primal quiver
OLs are unnecessary to experience the Moran Effect 
atomic iron
They help though
Attack makes her tanker
Ele better for electro weak obviously but I don't think I'd go 4 ele just for electro SR
Defense OLis a meme though
thorny crown
whats morans skill prio fellas
foggy violet
winter furnace
11 days until i can max her favorite item 
exotic fable
Defense OLis a meme though
until your team keeps doing 1s to a solo moran in pvp and lose bc of it
my stacked moran deals about 4x the dmg to opposing moran in ca 1v1s, well past fb for both
it prob helps her tank some hits in campaign as well
idk how much atk enemies got, if it's too high it wouldn't matter ig
slender estuary
actually we don't really have pins for her skill priority
I guess I can fix that
Phase 3 her ASAP
Skill:
1/8/4 -> 1/10/7 -> 7/10/10
OL:
Doesn't matter stop wasting rocks but if you love burning rocks
4x Ele
4x Atk
thorny crown
<:checkthepins:418778295992188928>
hallow ice
What cube do we want now?
atomic iron
anything really
resil/bastion are both kind of useless because you shouldn't run out of ammo but they probably give you the most damage from eledmg and that means more hp on electro sr
tempering is cool too
no damaage but who cares
thick bear
on some select bosses, destruction
vestal echo
on some select bosses, destruction
e.g. Blacksmith ( Only if you have pierce )
atomic iron
I mean if you have it built and the boss has parts or core?
But you can probably just slap tempering on her and be fine forever
vestal echo
I mean if you have it built and the boss has parts or core?
Only if Core is Core part
not Core-Body
vestal echo
There is some bugged, issue with Tia + Moran
the CDR isn't perfect for some reason
She got the -13x2 CDR already, but some how
not from Moran
vestal echo
yea
The timing isnt right/ bugged
for the first rotation
Tia Bursts before receiving 1 Stack from Naga, then her CD will be bugged from the next rotation
seems like Tia's CDR and Moran CDR doesn't work properly when the order isn't correct
keen matrix
10/10/10 12/12 5/5/5/5 or brick
5/5/5/0
Who tf need to raise shoes
It doesn't give atk stat
atomic iron
Moran is tanking so might as well
near grotto
open briar
atomic iron
Refrain
north schooner
anybody know the tool/db of the pinned skills screenshot? Looks incredibly helpful with all the tags
slender estuary
anybody know the tool/db of the pinned skills screenshot? Looks incredibly helpf...
north schooner
holy shit, this is a banger UI
celest karma
i just got Privaty Treasure today maxed out
so Moran is the next priority out of the new treasures?
fair flare
Must have yes
celest karma
so what's the priority on new treasures?
Moran -> Privaty -> ???
foggy violet
Zwei if you believe in pierce would be third
celest karma
i got Privaty 1st so i could let DKW rest
foggy violet
She's extremely good but only if pierce is relevant
celest karma
i see, Zwei is for Takina Chisato etc teams
foggy violet
Takina/Chisato are true damage
celest karma
i always thought they were Pierce damage, sorry
foggy violet
celest karma
so Moran-T paired with Trina makes for a very good PVP team?
or she can be used on other occasions?
foggy violet
Miranda was SW king, then Zwei was better. Then Miranda got treasure and became better. Then Zwei got treasure and became better 
Moran is useful in all occasions
I'd argue she's the best B1 in the game excluding Siren's unique ability to force-target outside of burst
She's been meta in PvP since forever, but her treasure makes her godly in PvE as well
The DR from burst helps prevent OHKOs from annoying mook raptures as well as curbs the nukes of bosses like Black Snake and Only One
celest karma
i don't think i have MLB on her, so that's why i went to Privaty 1st
foggy violet
Should only need LB2
but if you have less than that and didn't have silver mileage to spend, then that makes sense
foggy violet
The DR from burst helps prevent OHKOs from annoying mook raptures as well as cur...
and with her being the same category of cdr as Siren and Rapi B1, she has more consistent cdr than DKW and Rouge while providing more potent offensive buffs and keeping the team very safe
DKW is basically dead now, and Rouge will be dead whenever Rapi is a B1 (aside from working as a cdr off-burst for units like Miranda or Exia)
No core was unfortunate for her this past raid, but 16% usage in fire-weak doesn't bode well for her
nova dawn
I'd argue she's the best B1 in the game **excluding** Siren's unique ability to ...
i think the real thing to exclude
is siren's burst gen
outside burst force target helps mg a little to keep windup but aside from that closer to qol i think
foggy violet
Her burst gen is negligible unless you have RoF
meanwhile that manual targeting is insanely important in campaign
nova dawn
siren almost always has 1-2 mg
foggy violet
False
nova dawn
meanwhile that manual targeting is insanely important in campaign
in campaign if im not in burst im trying to get into burst
foggy violet
Siren/Nayuta/Lib/SBS/Mast has one
foggy violet
1 MG burst gen is still negligible
Not gonna save you from Hedgehog killing your DPS units
nova dawn
yea but
at the same time
siren nayu lib sbs is wind weak
try replacing siren with moran see who does better wind weak
foggy violet
in campaign if im not in burst im trying to get into burst
And when you're not in burst, that's when Volleyballs get shot
or hedgehogs
Siren prevents that
nova dawn
they get shot by besti
but yea generally if im not in burst
it means im trying to get into burst
asap
im probably spamming a pierce sniper/rl instead of using siren
foggy violet
I just know there are some campaign stages where I'm 100% confident I would've just waited until blue CP rather than try them without Siren
And with SWHA/Libby, Siren burst gen is a joke
nova dawn
libby gen feels okish to me not super 
but when u get into raid content u can really feel siren's gen
while her focus is 
nova dawn
also moran tanked a volley ball for me once i think
foggy violet
Against bosses, I consider them equal, with Siren being offensive ultity and Moran being defensive utility
foggy violet
because, as you said, Siren auto-target outside of burst has limited usefulness
Gluttony and specific other bosses with the range abuse
foggy violet
like getting Rapi to always shoot in effective range vs CC last SR
nova dawn
u had anchor but esp if ur anchor ammo was bad
siren gen was very important with just 1 mg
and 1 smg
foggy violet
If anchor ammo is bad, then there's a problem 
nova dawn
If anchor ammo is bad, then there's a problem <:delugiggle:784954888273920020>
not really 
u could make do with 6 ammo anchor+siren
and the top lineups were running maids siren anyways
foggy violet
Because there weren't better options 
I think Moran will replace Siren in maid comps
QeQ wasn't even used with maids last water raid
She was T5
nova dawn
because our other options for cdr slave kinda suck
moran liter focused on burst, rapi literally cant be cdr slave
that means siren/rouge/soline are leftover
simply due to siren keeps most of her value as a cdr slave
foggy violet
Siren wasn't a cdr slave for water though
She'll probably kill Rouge tho as one
Just stick Moran in seamaids
nova dawn
Siren wasn't a cdr slave for water though
no moran
so times have changed
u either drop moran/liter or use siren as cdr slave
because both value comes from burst
moran in seamaids also feels kinda sus tho
big atk buffers, already offers sustain and overshield for aoe prevention
whereas moran can be team 5 sustain and rapi maids rounding out ur team to not need heal issue
max dmg may be different but likely close + qol, kinda like how i opted to stick with nayu mihara cuz qol
foggy violet
True, but Rapi can B1 for team five, while Siren can beat Rouge for SWHA comp overall damage
nova dawn
True, but Rapi can B1 for team five, while Siren can beat Rouge for SWHA comp ov...
i mean rapi would be b1 for either 1 right
foggy violet
True
nova dawn
so siren repalces rouge regardless, rapi maids bready lib > moran team 5
foggy violet
Wait, no
nova dawn
now everyone has heals
nova dawn
the dmg taken up is pretty good
foggy violet
Yeah, but S Rosanna gives more iirc?
Only One just hit like a truck
Though likely half-anni will give us one DPS and one supportive unit of some sort, so meta will shift again
I don't think they've ever given us two full DPS units before?
unkempt ravine
Miranda was SW king, then Zwei was better. Then Miranda got treasure and became...
Miranda still better than Zwei though last raid
Though mostly because boss has billion defense and lack of pierce
nova dawn
Yeah, but S Rosanna gives more iirc?
Blanc is39% sros is 32%
slender estuary
srosanna is better only if you required her part damage buff and/or sustain buff
foggy violet
Though mostly because boss has billion defense and lack of pierce
Yeah, Zwei useless if pierce doesn't work
foggy violet
Blanc is39% sros is 32%
Ahh, right
nova dawn
tbf
u get 5% back from siren
and 4% atk dmg vs rouge's 6.65%
so itd be siren dmg + cdr vs 2% and 2.65% atk dmg
celest karma
Should only need LB2
this just happened today
i just put her on Wishlist 5 days ago
primal quiver
Did we ever determine what kind of rate of fire Moran gets in burst mode?
soft lodge
Did we ever determine what kind of rate of fire Moran gets in burst mode?
Smg, no?
primal quiver
She changes from 12 shots per second to 24 shots per second?
That's a boost of +100%~ before any benefits gained from bursting or full burst
The final atk % is the same despite the weapon swap, according to prydwen
If SMG.. let me see how their final atk % usually is
Queen Quency's
Deals 5.06% of ATK as damage.
Is that 10.12% after factoring in her dual wielding guns? 
Epinel's
Deals 10.12% ATK as damage.
Crow's (also a dual wielder?)
Deals 5.59% ATK as damage.
D's
Deals 8.73% ATK as damage.
K's
Deals 4.55% ATK as damage.
Okay, Moran's 14.71% is actually very high in this situation
nova dawn
She changes from 12 shots per second to 24 shots per second?
12->24
primal quiver
12, oops
Corrected the math then
+66% boost from the rof change
Wait
It's 24, not 20?
If it's from 12 to 24, that's a +100% boost...
I thought SMGs had 20 rof?
Oh, wow
The firerate fix toggle buffed it to 24
I didn't know this whole time. To be fair, the amount of SMG carries that I care about is almost nonexistent
slender estuary
yeah smh got buffed thanks to min fire
and to think there's people out here who still have that option off 
thick bear
defender stats says hello
atomic iron
Just give her attack share
nova dawn
*defender stats says hello*
tbf its easier to get atk than it is to up ur conversion
vestal echo
I thought SMGs had 20 rof?
It was 20/s Capped by 60fps