[Leona] New Unit Megathread

[warm barn]

Both

They are both inseparable

Inseparable with a potential new B3 too

[sick geode]

stop mentioning datamine character

i've been muted for it already.

[warm barn]

Forgot

[sick geode]

how? it literally happened 8 hours ago.

you were there.

[warm barn]

I am forgetful

[sick geode]

amnesiac.

anyway

[warm barn]

But yes lets math

[sick geode]

actually, i wonder something with tove

because tove adds a flat +6 at max stacks

[warm barn]

So with Tove, it becomes 2.4 per 4 shots, but without it will be 4 per 4 shots

[sick geode]

instead of a +% like any other ammo ups

[warm barn]

+2 +2 +2

+1 +1 +1 with SAnis Burst

[sick geode]

oh, she reduces each one?

[warm barn]

Iirc yes

So she has 4 ammo

[sick geode]

but then that means she has 4 bullets, so s2 happens about a third less often, taking into account tove's aspd letting Sanis empty the mag faster.

[warm barn]

W/o Tove: 4 multipliers per 4 shots

W Tove: 2.2 multipliers per 4 shots

If Tove and Leona can manage to cancel out the 1.6 with their buffs, SAnis loses no damage.

Assuming 1:1 ratio on base stats.

[sick geode]

wouldn't it be 3, pretending to go with this number that .4 = shot dmg, .6 = s2

[shut acorn]

wait i thought it was vanilla Helm?

[sick geode]

4 shots, then the .6 happens at the end

[shut acorn]

i dont have S.Helm

[warm barn]

Oh, and dont forget

Atk spd

[sick geode]

i brought that up

[warm barn]

[sick geode]

she only gets to proc s2 about a third as often

cuz +3 ammo, but ~+40% aspd

but it's just silly, because this is all assuming that all of SAnis' bullets are hitting.

for it to work out, because you are deciding to s2 less often. even with leona's +20% hit rate, that's not enough.

[warm barn]

2.2 * 30.72% (level 4) + Tove ATK + Leona crit + Leona damage distance + Leona hitrate vs 4

[sick geode]

drake gives hit rate ~+10% without giving ammo, but sugar does, so she's a no go.

[warm barn]

This team has no healing tho

[sick geode]

yeah

or cooldown.

[warm barn]

Add Dolla too

For fun

[sick geode]

oh, okay.

honestly, this team is just dumb.

i'd rather not try to make SAnis work with tove. leona at most

[warm barn]

Fun fact she does work

Maybe with the potential new B3

[sick geode]

especially because it would want you to get more hit rate OLs to try to make the shot work.

[warm barn]

She might be used in Tove Leona

[shut acorn]

bro what are these options

[sick geode]

whereas if you just mainly focus on s2 damage, you need 0 hit rate and go for pure dmg on OLs

[shut acorn]

so its Tove-Leona-Sugar-Guilty-Helm for heals

[warm barn]

Btw

[sick geode]

since again, s2 just autoaims

[warm barn]

The new potential B3 has same damage as RH and SBS without CDR

[sick geode]

yeah, that looks bad.

for SAnis.

[warm barn]

Thats why I told u SAnis will move

[sick geode]

what was map weakness

[warm barn]

Here

Wait

If SAnis + Priv + Tove

Will that cancel out

[shut acorn]

higher overall damage than the one with Drake huh

[sick geode]

it does, yes. but that restricts team comp.

[warm barn]

No I mean

Will it cancel out Tove

[sick geode]

yes.

[warm barn]

Im actually not sure

So SAnis has 1 ammo?

[sick geode]

it should, or at least, get her down to 2 ammo, i think

[warm barn]

Im actually not sure about Tove + SAnis having 4 ammo btw

[sick geode]

since decimals round down

????

[paper holly]

with tove + sugar , SAnis 13 ammo 🥲

[sick geode]

no, that's cuz sugar gives ammo

on top of tove's +6

in that team comp you showed earlier

[warm barn]

In her burst?

[paper holly]

yes.

[warm barn]

Sugar lv 10?

[remote hound]

SAnis needs to have 1 ammo for nuke damage, but sugar drastically takes it away because of max ammo increase

[warm barn]

+6 then

Sanis is 1

[sick geode]

yeah, that's what i've been trying to say

[warm barn]

Hmm

[sick geode]

that tove + SAnis is just trash

[warm barn]

So SAnis doesnt cancel Tove

But Priv does

[paper holly]

s2 lv5

[sick geode]

who cares how much +atk tove gives shotgunner

[warm barn]

Everyone

Its broken

Very

[paper holly]

7 ammo in her burst

[warm barn]

Broken

[sick geode]

when it would need all the shotgun shot to hit to maybe make the difference of not being able to s2 every single shot

[sick geode]

LMAO

SO IT'S JUST A FLAT +6

NO MATTER WHAT

YEAH, NO

then that means privaty wouldn't cancel out tove's ammo up

cuz it's a flat +6 ammo

[warm barn]

It does

Weirdly

[sick geode]

it must come after any modifiers

then how does SAnis' ammo down doesn't?

or do both happen and then +6 happens and it goes back to a positive number

[warm barn]

No

Privaty affects ALL of those

1 by 1

Insane right

[paper holly]

Maybe increase/decrease from bullet base.

[sick geode]

% ammo modifiers are always based on base ammo

[warm barn]

I think I know why

Nvm I dont

[warm barn]

Privaty reduces Tove

So maybe

Privaty reducing Tove

Also reduces her buff

7 ammo right

3.4 vs 7 then

In HER burst

Outside her burst

[sick geode]

yeah, i decided to check it

both privaty and SAnis combined can reduce tove's ammo up enough to get SAnis back down to 1

but again, that restricts team comps really far

[warm barn]

No

SAnis doesnt

Reduce Tove

[sick geode]

[paper holly]

Tove + Pri with SAnis = 4 ammo ( Tove S1 lv.9)

[sick geode]

she reduces her own base ammo

oh, yeah, my bad.

my tove's s1 was lvl 4

lol

then never mind

[warm barn]

Burst: 3.4 vs 7
Non-Burst: 5 vs 5.84

Multiplier difference

Tove and no Tove

Note that Tove randomly loses buff

But the atk buff doesnt disappear

Burst: 3.4 * 130.72% vs 7
Non-Burst: 5 * 130.72% vs 5.84

Tove wins outside burst

[sick geode]

so then why are we even considering SAnis with Tove

[warm barn]

Because of the new potential B3

[craggy shuttle]

[sick geode]

just make it work with the new b3 instead of SAnis then, cuz then you'll have no cooldown nor healer if you have both leona and tove on the team comp

and again, you needed regular privaty to reduce SAnis' ammo

[warm barn]

But the new potential B3 gives buffs from SNIS

Wanna get muted?

[sick geode]

you think you indirectly mentioning it is any better

[warm barn]

Change to The New Potential B3

[sick geode]

that really makes no difference.

[warm barn]

Its not any better but

[shut acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/alpha-warhead-1984-gif-22374652

no

[warm barn]

If people are dumb

[sick geode]

but seriously

[warm barn]

They wouldnt know

[shut acorn]

but yea ill stop

[steep cargo]

@warm barn can U shift this conversation to #1049651485086060584

Please?

@shut acorn @sick geode you too

[sick geode]

either way, it's just restricting team comp too far

[warm barn]

But we are talking about Leona

[sick geode]

no, we are not

[steep cargo]

Yeah I'm gonna shift her there too

[sick geode]

more than half of the convo has been about tove

[warm barn]

Yes we are talking about Tove + Leona

[steep cargo]

Check pins for current opinion on Leona

[steep cargo]

Move to #1059468005911830558 if you want to talk about Leona for the time being

[steep cargo]

Unlocked

Reminder. No datamine or u get muted for 3 days

[sick geode]

[lost oasis]

ok so the diff between Leona S1 lv 4 and Leona S1 lv 10 is .83% crit rate, times 5 is 4.15% crit rate overall.

[sick geode]

yeah, leona s1 seems unimportant

especially since the actual important stat, the bonus dmg range modifier, stays the same no matter what

[lost oasis]

yep

[sick geode]

but even then, i heard that it's trash because it's multiplicative, instead of additive

[lost oasis]

well

for shotguns

its a bit diff

formula for that section is crit, core hit, range, full burst

4 competing factors

and shotguns dont really hit core, and dont really get range

versus if you are machine gun, crit core hit range and full burst are all "on"

its a bit conflicting though since leona gives a decent hit rate buff

meaning more cor ehits

[sick geode]

well, yeah, but wat i mean is

the s1 part 2 is leona extending the optimal range for shotguns

[lost oasis]

yea but its not much

its 5%

[sick geode]

i think it wasn't programmed proper, though.

LOL yeah

[lost oasis]

0-25 to 0-30 i think

[sick geode]

i thought it was at least giving it AR optimal range on top

[lost oasis]

im thinking leona is 4/7+/7+

[sick geode]

which would be an additive +20%

i.e. 0 - 25 to 0 - 45

that would've been awesome

but no, 20% of 25% multiplicative is just +5%, so it goes to +30%

like, i legitimately think that's misprogramming, there's no way.

but yeah

that s1 could stay dumpstered at 1, but the manual cost to get it to 4 is so little

may as well

[lost oasis]

fk tove is a 10 10 10

if this shotgun team materializes

[sick geode]

she is, yeah

all the stats she gives are appreciated by virtually all shotgunners

and since she has the longest b1 20s cd atk buff, exclusive to shotguns

also needing to max s1 for maximizing s1 chance

[lost oasis]

prob gonna have to 10 10 10 sugar too

if ur aiming for SR top 50

[warm barn]

@paper holly hi Deo im sorry can u test if Guilty or SAnis deals more damage in Tove Leona team?

After u wake up and when ure not busy

Maybe do Tove Leona SAnis Guilty Helm

And compare damage

My Guilty at 1/1/1 cannot compete

Hmmmm

Guilty does same damage at 1/10/1 I assume

Ok

Good info

[paper holly]

Do you want to be compared to any team?

[sick geode]

why would guilty not have higher s1 for higher self atk

lmao

[warm barn]

Oh mistaken i thot its S2

[warm barn]

Maybe also test Sugar damage vs SAnis

[sick geode]

guilty s2 is where she gives wind allies exclusively +1 stacks and a very small atk buff

guilty s3 also fairly important, cuz of the def down debuff at max stack s1

[warm barn]

Oh

Actually Tove Noir Guilty is kinda gay

If u never checked

Tove Pepper Noir Guilty is also gay

Stack refresh gaming

[sick geode]

you have no idea how much i wish tove was wind element

[paper holly]

Ok but S1 Guilty will get less atk buff if go with SAnis.

[sick geode]

just to have something to use guilty's s2 on that would appreciate it more

and yeah, cuz the atk buff guilty gets is dependent on the highest ally atk

[sick geode]

like, there's epinel and her s1 buff

but with no enemies to kill, no stack happens

diesel? she already stacks her s2 ez on her own... also 2 b2 20s, lmao

like, if tove was wind, guilty could easy help her maintain s1 stacks

[warm barn]

Hmm

Idk how do you think u can fairly test

SAnis vs Guilty vs Sugar

DPS

[warm barn]

So Sugar has less damage than Guilty

But Sugar gives team buff

Hmmmmm

[terse edge]

is drake better than sugar?

[lost oasis]

drake 100% is not better than sugar

[warm barn]

What

Drake core 7 4 OL vs Sugar 4 4 4 0 OL LB0 yes

Sugar seems to buff team damage by 5% ish

Not as much as SAnis but

Good to know

I guess there is a chance of compacting to happen

• Lit Bun
• Tiga
• Doro Mod Priv
• SW
• Tove SAnis

Ok tho

Fr

For next raid

[lost oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[warm barn]

It will be Liter Leona Blanc Noir

[warm barn]

Ofc rleme

Elemental

So SAnis just becomes a regular shotgun LOL

[warm barn]

Yeah just becomes a regular shotgun

Hahahahhaa

Well if u use Helm for healing can only Guilty

Sugar is out of question

If u use Marciana, Guilty get shafted

In both cases, u need both invested

This feels gay

[warm barn]

Why havent u considered Marciana

As SG she does pack a punch with Tove

I wonder if Helm buff actually offsets Marciana DPS

It has been bothering me for ages

[paper holly]

Because I use Guilty.

Leona + Guilty .......

[warm barn]

Do you think Marciana or Helm is better overall?

For team damage

Since Sugar and Guilty arent different

[paper holly]

Only 1 B3 ? 🤣

[warm barn]

No, using Sugar and

Cant mention

Maiden

Yes

Sugar and Drake yes

Assuming I use Sugar and Drake

Lets say

U know it just magically is Wind raid

I assume Marciana dps is the same as Leona DPS

Should be

No selfish kit

So if u wanna know exactly how much Helm buffs

[warm barn]

Can try running the same team above for Mod but dont use Helm, idk use something else that gives no team buff

DPS loss = Helm DPS gain

[paper holly]

Marciana no OL 4/4/1
Drake no OL 4/1/1 🤣

[warm barn]

Ur Leona is OL?

Crazy man

[paper holly]

yes

[warm barn]

Ok ill stick to Helm thanks

If Leona OL only does 100m im out

But can try

U know

For science

HAHAHA

And general advice?

[paper holly]

my Leona doesn't have any ATK OL.

[warm barn]

Just remove Helm

Use any B3

That doesnt buff

Like

Modeenia?

Wait gives hitrate

Nvm

Then we compare team damage

There should be noticeable dmg loss

By other 4 units

[paper holly]

Wait for dev to create B3 SG CDR.

[warm barn]

/slap

[dapper swallow]

@paper holly come to think of it, what will happen when SAnis has +3 ammo from Tove and burst herself?

you can test it easily in shooting range with Scope Lock (10/10/10 all Nikkes)

[orchid sail]

you can test that already by using ASS in tetra tower before xludmilla

aka TOO MUCH fucking ammo to last bullet

with bunny duo

[dapper swallow]

true, let me try Noir

[orchid sail]

though honestly the tove + leona buffs should offset her not DPSing as hard with S2

[lost oasis]

hope so

[orchid sail]

honestly I didn't find ASS that bad when using her in tetra tower even with noir's max ammo up

[lost oasis]

gonna let some more people test though

ideally, i dont want to invest in sugar at all

so if we can get tove + leona + s. anis + x + x to work

that would save lots of mats

[orchid sail]

yeah same

I need skill resets still

[lost oasis]

[orchid sail]

if I am gonna invest into SG comp anytime soon

[lost oasis]

have they ever had an SR that deals literally 0 damage?

i dont think so

i was wondering if doro leona s.anis + x + priv cud work

OH SHOOT i cant get banned

[orchid sail]

you still have the name there austin

there we go

[lost oasis]

mods look away i am clean

[dapper swallow]

lmao

Ammo in numbers added AFTER ammo reduction

so SAnis reduces her ammo by % first

5 => 1

then Noir gives her 4 ammo

1 => 5

[lost oasis]

why did u change ur name

gatrix

i only realized ur gatrix cuz of that emote

[orchid sail]

[dapper swallow]

because I'm

konvict

https://tenor.com/view/akon-convict-konvict-gif-9936923

[lost oasis]

[dapper swallow]

magic

at least we can verify how ammo increase works

% kicks in first, then number added later

so Sanis will be 7 during her own burst, 11 other time

[terse edge]

just don't drop tove's stack during burst. ez

[dapper swallow]

hell naw

[lost oasis]

it seems so troll though

we really need rouge release

break noir away from blanc

[paper holly]

Tove S1 Lv9 +SAnis = 7 ammo

Tove S1Lv9+Pri+SAins =4 ammo

[sly sand]

make rouge buff scales with more bunny in team

3bunny team op

[lunar elbow]

is viper and Leona goodge

[lost oasis]

no

viper is not good

[lunar elbow]

Darn I just got her

[elder salmon]

viper is only good in bed and even then she would just toy with you
at the base of things, you dont want 2 B2 fight the position UNLESS its dolla/S helm
Leona is there for pellet related skills more than anything

as much as i want crit to be good, if you cant maintain 75%+ i dont see crit as a thing

[dapper swallow]

hmm

actually

dmg drop is only 4.5%

[lost oasis]

now layer that versus a 10 10 10 sugar

[dapper swallow]

well 10/10/10 Sugar is on Scarlet level, it's very big

[lost oasis]

can we go to the eden so i can type the M word

[dapper swallow]

28.5% more than SAnis

[lost oasis]

oh

is that factoring in buffing the M word

s. anis would give attack + reload speed to M word

sugar would give max ammo to M word

[dapper swallow]

let's go to Eden, to discuss M-san easier

by M I mean, MAIDEN

[shut acorn]

John Madden Football

[sly sand]

Viper good in pvp

Cause not many competition in burst ii sg

Guilty burst gen not good

More skillbooks pls

For 101010 sugar

[potent radish]

In bosses like stormbringer and ultra, how good are sg teams?

I mean, with that quantity of hit rate maybe they have good performance...

[paper holly]

only sugar with high hit rate is ok to fight stormbringer and ultra .......

Ranged boss with core hit, SG team's damage is not as good as other teams.

[potent radish]

[warm barn]

He tested last night

I tagged u 20 times

SAnis does NOT lose damage NOR gain any damage with Tove in team

CDR is factored in

[dapper swallow]

yeah, math also proved that

pretty insane

ATK + AS makes up for everything

[sick geode]

yeah, i was surprised to see it play out

the lack of s2 can be made up for with tove's boosts if anis can hit her pellets

[dapper swallow]

yep, my math assumes SG always lands pellets

pretty rich lmao

so Hit Rate only increases core dmg

against Material H, you need to aim the body, not the core

[sick geode]

yeah, with plenty of big bosses, should be fine for the most part

[potent radish]

MatH body is above its core?

[dapper swallow]

yep

shoot here

not the core

[sick geode]

yeah, that's the body

i always aim for it anyway with naga (unless it's QTE time)

[potent radish]

Thanks

[paper holly]

https://x.com/bambi_nikke/status/1749640202803613858?s=20

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Twitter · Jan 23, 2024, 3:48 AM

[dapper swallow]

shotgay

now we wait for a real B3 DPS of SG

who could that be

[rancid furnace]

[paper holly]

Lv10 modernia.

[rancid furnace]

leona bad

[paper holly]

If Burst Leona is lv.10 and have ATK OL.
Maybe the damage will be similar or more.

[potent radish]

Almost 1b with sg team but 338 syncro

Is good enough or meh?

Dunno my DMG is around 400-900m

[paper holly]

I think the damage is very good against Modernia. If not compared to SBS team.

[potent radish]

Yeah, SBS Vs iron is fkng broken

[versed prairie]

It’s the final 24 hours for you all to MCB Leona with her banner’s pulls

[remote hound]

Eh I'm gonna cope on this one

[elder salmon]

MCB? not MLB?

fund my pulls bro

[craggy shuttle]

Problem is it needs 3min for that 1b

[rich mist]

stupid ass lion. 100 pulls for 1 copy

[craggy shuttle]

you'll see her again on your next week's 10 friendship pull

[paper holly]

160 pulls = 1 SW + 1 leona ..........

[rich mist]

at least you got SW

I only got laplace and volume

prism laplace now

[latent moat]

consider it lucky you are

while that fuckshit lion costed me 180 pulls

[sick geode]

i didn't even bother

i will get lucky for sure with friend points/random pulls some other time

happened to me with marciana, naga, tia... and quiry

literally within the first 50 pulls of RH banner, got 3/4

70 pulls later, got tia

[dapper swallow]

why do you need to pull Leona though?

it's not like SG will have any good DPS

Sugar? Not worth

[paper holly]

pull for bond story 👍

[sly sand]

coping for best supporting sugar and spoiler unit

[sick geode]

cuz boobi

legit, leona so pretty

want anyway

gotta fill up the nikkepedia

[dapper swallow]

fyi

[sick geode]

should have a big ass rectangle for RL for the lulz

no wonder the s1 bonus is multiplicative, tho

[dapper swallow]

RL doesnt have range bonus

[sick geode]

ya

then a negative square

all range optimal range for RL, technically

[dapper swallow]

they don't gain 30% dmg up

so technically

they are punished all range

suck to be RL

[sick geode]

i guess...

[dapper swallow]

last 3h to have Leona

or cry later

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1194207680261275718/1194908708300394556/93da13ce76904cf4d6a43d68c85f93589891ad0466d0e280e3f905c5593f9edc-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif?ex=65b21074&is=659f9b74&hm=3c5642f7a7ced7f5e954354f5b9276bb14cfbd8437c71ac8799f69a7c1ec4eaf&

[potent radish]

Did you get a copy?

[dapper swallow]

already

💋

[potent radish]

[warm barn]

U fool Leona is shit

[sick geode]

i will try my luck wishlist

[sacred heath]

chasing meta team 5

just get 3% and out

[sick geode]

wdf

i just want nikkepedia

and boobi

[dapper swallow]

can say Privaty now

[versed prairie]

If I can just interject, I recently discovered in Leona advice sessions that she lets Timi chew on her head like a toy

[dapper swallow]

also, my boy

[warm barn]

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