[Leona] New Unit Megathread

[lost oasis]

and it did no extra dmg

[dapper swallow]

someone here means me

and yes

[lost oasis]

i think tsuki said something about it reducing variance

like think about the diff between 1 pellet vs 1 billion pellets

if u have 1 billion pellets a lot will hit core

1 pellet u can just straight miss core

anyways dead unit

skip for morgod

[elder salmon]

would she be dead unit if 40% hit rate tho?

[dapper swallow]

dead

75% hit rate

take it or leave

[elder salmon]

[warm barn]

No

Mathematically calculated to be the same damage at the end

I mean it does make the dmg more consistent but not stronger

[warm barn]

Heres the thing

Theyre not adding a dumb kit without a clear reason

And even then, theyre aware by this time that its useless

So the next unit will def have something to do with pellet count

For now Leona is just skippable*

[dapper swallow]

that's the cope

but don't advise people to pull her now

and Neon is indeed an example of what the freak kit

[steep cargo]

Now that you're awake

Do the thing

[warm barn]

Noir + Leona + next B3 if CDR + some OL may be possible

[steep cargo]

Well
What if we just wait for rogue

Or whatever her name is

[warm barn]

Whats rogue

[steep cargo]

She can be paired with blanc

[steep cargo]

3rd member of 777

[dapper swallow]

Problem is

once you reach 75% hit rate

it means you can access core hit very easy

you won't care much about RNG crit

[warm barn]

Ure saying rogue will be SG? Nah

Wait

That means Noir can be separated

[steep cargo]

Rogue will be noir replacement in blanc noir team

That's another copium for you

[warm barn]

Nah

Noir needs a 777 too

[steep cargo]

Oh

[warm barn]

Just wait for next SG unit

It will definitely fix SG team

Theres no way it will be off the mark

And Im skipping Moran

[dapper swallow]

Leona Tove Blanc Sugar Noir

20% from Leona, 25% from Noir, 33% from Sugar

[lost oasis]

skipping morgod

[dapper swallow]

[warm barn]

Up to you

Im not ready to invest in her

[warm barn]

Just so you know she can get oneshot

From 40% to 0%

[lost oasis]

PVP?

[warm barn]

PvE and PvP

If she gets lasered PvE from some lethal hits then same thing too

[forest spruce]

Crap

They can just never design a good unit. Always some cuckery going on.

Well, not never, but they do way too much bs like 40 sec cd etc.

[versed prairie]

I’d like to know where you refill your canister of copium from. It seems like good stuff

[sick geode]

yeah, that's what i brought up a while back

the whole point of pellets is just to decrease variance, especially at longer ranges, since more will hit center

i realized what the second part of leona's s1 does

doesn't make them tighter, but gets rid of the penalty of shotgun pellet dmg fall off for at most medium range, which would be good, if she gave out a lot more hit rate on her own, to tighten the spread, lol.

so shotguns with the buff don't suffer from range damage penalty, as long as the distance isn't far. (easiest way to see it in play is if you attack alteisen rockets, as they approach, dependent on weapon class, you'll see dmg fluctuate as they approach the targeted nikke)

it truly is a shame more pellets doesn't just straight up do more dmg though.

but yeah, sadly, disappointing.

even if they introduce an 'op shotgunner' that could work well with both leona and tove, she'd probably just do good with tove alone as well. (or, you know... by herself)

i guess they figured it was best to introduce some skip and wishlist units back to back

after literal months of 'must get units'

cuz let's see, we had tia/naga, red hood, winter ludmilla and now nu-scarlet (and to an extent, marciana)

the little tove break in between all of that doesn't really count

[dapper swallow]

using highest possible modifier of attacker for each group

SG stronk

when core exists

if add Scarlet in (the only AR diff), we will have Scarlet at top 2

MG definitely stands for Max Gay

if we accept that MG is bullshit, and SG doesn't need core hit, just need to land pellets

I think a 30 or 40% hit rate is acceptable

[sick geode]

i was gonna say, S. Anis has like a 300% modifier (290ish)

but at the same time, she's more reliant on s2 for damage and her shotgun is also unique in its starting ammo of 5

unlike the typical 9

[dapper swallow]

and supporter has 83% atk only compared to Attacker

[sick geode]

right yeah.

so that would put her at... around the same damage per shot.

[dapper swallow]

I guess for SG, hit rate OL is the most important

[sick geode]

oh yeah, i guess that would explain why it's so high, lol

it is, yeah.

[dapper swallow]

ATK is even behind

[sick geode]

hit rate tightens spread for all weapons, but it's so pronounced on shotguns because of how they work

[steep cargo]

What's the modifiers for sg

Tove and who

[dapper swallow]

a 58% hit rate feels so crucial (4x Perfect Hit Rate)

[sick geode]

well, except snipers and rocket launchers, since they go towards the reticle with no variance, making hit rate useless on them

[dapper swallow]

SG modifier uses Sugar

231%

[sick geode]

even on SG nikkes that self-buff their own hit rate?

[dapper swallow]

this can be achieved with

[steep cargo]

Oh

[dapper swallow]

• Leona: 20%
• Drake: 10%
• Noir: 25%

[steep cargo]

But this doesn't give us much

At all

Cuz this is just normal attack

Without accounting for skills

[sick geode]

it should be that way, though.

[dapper swallow]

well SG are mostly known for shot except Anis

[sick geode]

shotguns without hit rate basically can't hit core at all

[sick geode]

[dapper swallow]

I don't even need to core hit

I just need to land my pellets

that's good enough for me (top 2)

This is fucking miserable

[sick geode]

[steep cargo]

Wait so this does actually matter now that I think about it

I used to think that when not in burst, an MG would do greater DPS than an SG outside of burst

[sick geode]

yeah, hitting long range with shotgun is so shit, not even taking into account the 'out of optimal range' dmg reduction

[steep cargo]

But if you want to focus down P1, it's better to use SGs

Even if it's against an MG without ramp up

For PvP

[dapper swallow]

For PVP, they don't need hit rate

[steep cargo]

Yes but MGs have ramp up speed

[sick geode]

my drake with like 43% hit rate from OLs and personal effects does pretty good still

[dapper swallow]

that's at least 53% hit rate on Drake during burst

she, of couse, looks good

@shut acorn during MatH, have you tried your SG comp on it?

I know shooting the core felt fucking impossible outside burst

but the body above looks big enough

[sick geode]

but yeah, i wish leona herself provided more hit rate for SGs, would make her s1 part 2 effect ridiculous

[dapper swallow]

as long as SG can accept that they can't core hit

[sick geode]

turns shotguns from just a 'near' range weapon to a near/med rang weapon

[dapper swallow]

they will think differently

I would love that her S1 provides Hit Rate and Range Effective

[sick geode]

like, just 20% by herself for what's supposed to be 'you deal more dmg at medium range'

that's nothing, lmao

it's fortunate that SGs generally boost their own hit rate through other means

[dapper swallow]

and S2 gives crit during FB, wtf that 5~10% gonna do for me

[sick geode]

but nonetheless...

[dapper swallow]

while 20% hit rate feels so lethal

[sick geode]

she should give more on her own

[shut acorn]

during the last Solo Raid? yeah i did

[dapper swallow]

how's the result?

man, fishing 4x hit rate on SG feels kinda

throwing modules out the window

the Assault cube should give 20% hit rate

not 3%

[sick geode]

LOL so true

[dapper swallow]

for fucking sake

[sick geode]

assault cube is legit so useless

3% is nothing for anyone, let alone SGs

[shut acorn]

on EX? not that good because of the range

[sick geode]

the most it does it just gives more stats.

[dapper swallow]

solo raid

[sick geode]

yeah, that sounds about right.

material H the 'far' range boss

[shut acorn]

yeah the last stage

[sick geode]

[shut acorn]

EX

[dapper swallow]

ah

hm

did you try to ignore core

and shoot body only?

[sick geode]

the spread is just too much at that range

[dapper swallow]

man I should think of this Hit Rate interaction sooner

and test

[shut acorn]

no i only shot the core because of the range

[sick geode]

like, not even just the shotgun spread

[dapper swallow]

shooting core outside burst is impossible

[shut acorn]

also having to switch between the projectiles and the red circles

[sick geode]

but the 'effective range' modifier of weapons too

[dapper swallow]

I tried with Anis

it's fucking miserable

[dapper swallow]

she deals like 10% dmg with her auto attack

[shut acorn]

speaking of hit rate i got another one on Sugar

[sick geode]

leona's s1 part 2 effect makes SGs a 'near' and 'mid' range weapon

so it always gets the bonus dmg from 'effective range', as long as the enemy is not too far.

[dapper swallow]

I'm fine with shooting mid range target

I just need pellets to land

[sick geode]

did you fudge the AR number

lmao

[dapper swallow]

AR with core hit (40%) and range bonus (30%) still lose to SG

[sick geode]

well, yeah, but it still seems so low

idk

[dapper swallow]

AR won't core hit easily against mid~far range

this is normal AR

not Scarlet

Scarlet is on her own league

[sick geode]

i wasn't thinking of scarlet

[dapper swallow]

forget her

[sick geode]

but it literally says 3%

not 300

[dapper swallow]

300%

[sick geode]

you fudged the decimal

[dapper swallow]

3.00 = 300%

yeah

[sick geode]

wdf

[dapper swallow]

better pic

[sick geode]

ya

okay

[dapper swallow]

see, SG just need around 55% hit rate

so they can actually fully damage target

[sick geode]

'just' '55% hit rate'

god, assault cube needs a buff so bad

[shut acorn]

me with my 30 something% total hit rate OL on Sugar

[dapper swallow]

you can at least shoot everything during full burst

Tove S2 will help even more

[sly sand]

Tove with her ar weapon

[warped cape]

just wait for the next SG buffer who will buff Hit Rate

[mild hawk]

just like we are waiting for the charge speed support

no maxwell doesnt count

[warped cape]

we have charge speed support bruh

[sick geode]

yeah, my drake's at like 38% with OLs and assault cube

and +11% during full burst, lol

[warm barn]

Just wait for next SG unit.

Stop making Leona work.

She won't work.

She needs a good DPS to make her worth it.

Not Sugar, but better.

[sick geode]

yeah, that's what i've been saying, lol

but the idea of a unit buffing specific weapon types is cool

SMGs should get some in lieu of just buffing the weapon types cuz I doubt they ever will

[warm barn]

SMG will come with Chime.

She will prolly make Soline work.

[sick geode]

who knows if that's their plan, but nonetheless, i'd pray for it.

[tough hedge]

Leona is not sleeper unit like Tove?

[sick geode]

not as much, it's more of a side buff

aka giving medium range capabilities to shotgunners

but unlike tove, her direct dmg up to SGs is not as much

tove has the best 10s buff on a 20s cd exclusive to shotgunners AND aspd up

best times to bring leona on a dedicated SG comp is if you find yourself with a med/long range boss/stage

crit rate and crit dmg up is nice, but with crit dmg being so weak in dmg formula

it's not really a big dmg up over just using tove alone

nonetheless, both leona and tove would appreciate a stronger SG dps that isn't S.Anis (because S.Anis doesn't rely on her shots for dmg anyway, and Tove's ammo up doesn't synergize with S.Anis at all)

[tough hedge]

I see... Oh Considering guilty usually a core member for SG team

Does bringing Leona forcing a 1-2-2 comp too?

[sick geode]

it would

like yeah, guilty is strong

really strong

but she's not 'OP', know what i mean?

[tough hedge]

Yeah also considering the next option is sugar, I can see why SG is in really bad position

[sick geode]

now that i think about it, god I wish Tove was wind element

cuz then Guilty could help her stack her s1

and have her big buffs kick in faster

[dapper swallow]

for now, they serve different purpose

Tove is big if your SG can shoot normally

like, against Land Eater?

but if you can't land your pellets, Leona is required at least to even deal dmg

dead

[sick geode]

ya, that's what i said

Leona is definitely a side-grade for SG teams

definitely want to bring her if up against a longer range stage

extra pellets to stabilize the dmg on top of hit rate+med range dmg bonus kicking in

the crit rate +crit dmg is nice for SGs too, cuz each pellet can crit

not that crit dmg is a lot... but it's nice to have

[dapper swallow]

I don't know, shooting 15 pellets per sec, or shooting 15 bullets per sec

that looks as same to me

if crit benefits SG, it benefits AR/SMG/MG/Whatever the same

[rich mist]

soooo.... do I skip her or?

[steep cargo]

Skip unless you want to see hot seggs

[whole berry]

only reason to pull is this imho

[elder salmon]

explain Aria if you remove the shield burst

[potent radish]

Skip

[steep cargo]

Hmm

Crit dmg, crit rate (wtf is that skill 2)

[elder salmon]

see

[steep cargo]

Hit rate decreases her own ramp up time

[elder salmon]

last bullet, on MG
Hit rate for herself

[steep cargo]

Not an entirely bad skill

Crit is shit

Sadly

[elder salmon]

besides the individual shield, her kit is complete wack

SG team woulnd need leona if aria was done right

[steep cargo]

Most of the SSRs are trash tbh

Idk how they even qualify as SSRs

Only exist to dilute pool

[sly sand]

pls kill crow and remove permanently from general pool

[warped cape]

please remove Roku from general pool

[warm barn]

Nah, Leona needed there

No bonus range against Land Eater

Anything that has SG not getting damage distance

Will 100% make Leona meta for SG team

Leona is supposed to be used with Tove

But the B3 isnt here yet

This thread needs to be closed to protect Leona's good name until the B3 is out

[whole berry]

overload

[warm barn]

Actually no

It's not copium

It will 100% happen

It's like a long term investment not daily trading

Copium would be like Aria buff

Or Eunhwa buff

Which they had promised since 1000 months ago

But forgotten

Let's be smart: what was the last B3 weapon types?

[whole berry]

these buffs died with some intern in there

I bet

[warm barn]

SAnis = SG
2B = AR
A2 = RL
RH = SR
XLud = MG
SBS = RL

Next is most likely AR and/or SG (or SMG).

[whole berry]

quiry

rl

[warm barn]

Not dps

[whole berry]

still b3

[warm barn]

After Moran, it will be a filler unit.

Moran patch coincides with Solo Raid.

[whole berry]

after moran its collab

[warm barn]

After the filler unit, we will know.

[warm barn]

How do you know

Trust me bro?

[whole berry]

my is

[warm barn]

[whole berry]

before rh update they added jk to nikkepedia

[warm barn]

Yeah no shit

Hmmmm

[whole berry]

this update we got moran in nikkepedia

[warm barn]

Usually they hype up collab long before hand

I highly doubt

[whole berry]

they are making this so they won't leak the next event that easily because they won't add it with moran

thats my theory

what if I'm right tho

[warm barn]

Its actually CNY no?

[whole berry]

ohh

hmm

[warm barn]

Oh it must be Rogue

Moran -> Rouge -> B3 DPS

This is what I suspect

Tove -> RH -> XLud -> SBS -> Leona

So about 2-3 patches in between

But DPS always comes during Solo Raid patch

[whole berry]

when is the next sr

[warm barn]

Most likely 7th Feb

Or 14th

8 or 15*

Oh shit

It will be DPS after Moran

Fuck

[whole berry]

yeah

its dps after moran

[warm barn]

Solo raid is 15th

[whole berry]

or we will get the unit in day2-3 in sr

[sick geode]

collab unit, it's indeterminate if it'll come out same month as CSM collab did

two is too little to make a pattern

[remote hound]

It's usually every month from what I can tell

[sick geode]

yeah, solo raid is always to sell a unit that does really good in it

[sly sand]

pls dont be another attacker pilgrim

[craggy shuttle]

I hope not

But the next pilgrim will be in half anni anyway

We have time

Unless they pull a Summer Marian for the summer event

[lost oasis]

ideally we get a legit good sup or defender

like how dorothy was introduced for SR1

[sick geode]

i said it before, but who knows if there even will be a half anniversary

[lost oasis]

lowkey hope not

i dont have money left

[sick geode]

not every gacha does a celebration for a half anniversary. some do it once and then that's it, then it's all in the anniversary. but since OZ was a huge event, if they don't do a 1 1/2 anniversary or whatever

i hope there is at least a long event to fill its place (would be a shame to miss out on a lot of the goodies half anniversary brought, tho)

must consoom more cores

like, it's difficult to establish any sort of patterns for nikke yet. two is not a pattern, let alone once.

like, getting modernia again as a new year's recruit wouldn't necessarily mean it happens again on year 2 january. but if it does, then yeah, three's 100% a pattern, lol

we just don't know atm if there'll be collab units released around the end of february, aka, when CSM collab happened last year.

if it happens again, it'll give credence to the idea it's a dedicated 'collab' month.

but who really knows yet.

aside from whoever makes the nikke release schedule on shift up, lol

[craggy shuttle]

[lofty sparrow]

[elder salmon]

but my elder great grand uncle that works as a janitor in their staff meeting said that the co-
bricked

[sterile lark]

leona has a really big ass

[lost oasis]

gd she sucks

her range really is

25% * 20% = 5% bonus

so SG range is 0-30%

[dapper swallow]

huh

[warm barn]

No, there is a pattern

Except for collabs

[sick geode]

how is there a pattern

[lost oasis]

sky's vid says

her S1 takes SG range from 0 - 25 to 0 - 30

aka 25% * 20% = 5% and adds to the 25

[dapper swallow]

I understood ytour phrase

[sick geode]

no way... ☠️

i doubt that's true.

[dapper swallow]

but I don't understand the result though

cuz from shooting range

[lost oasis]

her sucking?

[dapper swallow]

it looks different to me

[lost oasis]

oh

idk i have yet to load in with her

[sick geode]

i understand the result, but that doesn't make sense

[lost oasis]

im just reading shit

and she looks doomed

[dapper swallow]

well she's shit from the very start

[sick geode]

get misinfo'd, lmao

[lost oasis]

this is all kisenix fault

[dapper swallow]

SG = Shit Gun

[warm barn]

Solo Raid most likely comes with DPS or a support that performs best against the boss, so it's always a good banner.

[sick geode]

but yeah, no, she's basically a sidegrade for when you need SG in long range map

[warm barn]

Half Anniv and Anniv and NY are always Pilgrims.

[sick geode]

how is this established

do we even know if we'll have a half anniversary again?

some gachas drop it

like, if it happens, great

[warm barn]

Are you sure about the extra range?

[sick geode]

but extrapolating from two is retarded

[warm barn]

We know, it's SU.

Trust me.

[sick geode]

like, if they did it for other games, okay

[warm barn]

1 time is enough to establish patterns.

In gacha games.

A lot of expected a Pilgrim to drop in NY.

And they did.

@dapper swallow can you confirm optimal range pls

[dapper swallow]

can, it works like Sky said

should be

same target

Blanc is AR

[warm barn]

Ok.

[dapper swallow]

if 20% + 25% were 45%, Leona should have extra dmg

[warm barn]

Then Leona is worse.

[warm barn]

Does she even provide anything still

Even the crits arent really that good

[dapper swallow]

hit rate

[lost oasis]

that pellet thing

gotta b the dumbest shit theyve done recently

either triple the pellets or just delete it completely

[warm barn]

Well who knows theyre gonna do something with it but if the optimal range is just 5% then she is shit

[lost oasis]

prydwen really fell off dam

[warm barn]

I reported already ytd

[lost oasis]

these are the type of typos i expected on nikke.gg

[dapper swallow]

Just wrap her up, we can edit her review later when a super duber awesome tier SG is released @warm barn

for now, big skeep unless

like: For every pellet hits, reduce 0.1s cd or something

[warm barn]

I pull one and sleep on it

[dapper swallow]

yeah but don't advise people do that

play the safe card, let people skeep

[lost oasis]

is shotgun even good on hit rate stuff

making it 30 pellets per second doesnt sound like much

[dapper swallow]

they only lose to MG + Scarlet

[sacred heath]

@dapper swallow who is that guy you idolize on youtube

[dapper swallow]

Onii Chan

damn this sounds weird

[sacred heath]

[sacred heath]

bruh send the link

i typed that and just saw weird stuffs

[dapper swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/@oniichan_

[dapper swallow]

crit is lit on SG I know. We just need better buffer

[orchid sail]

I'm assuming that's also with the expectation that ASS has higher attack than maxwell to make sure she gets her S1 buff right

[dapper swallow]

I think you must be a whale

to make Maxwell has way higher attack than Sanis

max core = 20% diff

OL = another 50% diff

[orchid sail]

I mean attacker versus supporter

but also depends on your OL rolls

cause I have like 0 attack rolls on ASS

meanwhile maxwell has 4x attack

[dapper swallow]

as long as your Maxwell has less than 41% attack

from core diff + OL

and Sanis S1 is lv 10

you are good

[orchid sail]

ah okay

good to know

[sacred heath]

weak i have 4

[orchid sail]

buy me rocks then

[sacred heath]

the only 4 lines

[dapper swallow]

for some reasons

pleb I talked to

always forget this part

and it's her biggest buff

even stronger than S2 leveling

[orchid sail]

I mean I know during burst she gets that buff

I just wasn't sure if that let her get over a higher core maxwell with attack rolls

in a worst case scenario kind of thing

[dapper swallow]

but if your Maxwell steals the buff

don't worry

I gotchu

Privaty

[orchid sail]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-anime-gif-8096390291642689466

[dapper swallow]

I tested a bunch of comp mimicking this last night

Volume Tyga Sanis Scarlet is the best

Volume Leona Sanis Scarlet Max ~ Volume Mast Sanis Scarlet Max

Doro Novel Priv is lower than those

replacing maxwell with guillo results in lower dmg too

all were tested with scope lock because who has that much skill mats to afford everyone

[orchid sail]

ah interesting

so now we just wait for another CDR B1

[dapper swallow]

CDR B1 that gives crit

or CDR B2

because Tove Leona are okay

I don't have Tove now so I couldn't test Tove in that comp

[mental kettle]

do i pull on her titties

i mean her banner

[dapper swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1194207680261275718/1194908708300394556/93da13ce76904cf4d6a43d68c85f93589891ad0466d0e280e3f905c5593f9edc-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif?ex=65b21074&is=659f9b74&hm=3c5642f7a7ced7f5e954354f5b9276bb14cfbd8437c71ac8799f69a7c1ec4eaf&

[sick geode]

that reminds me, had a silly idea for a future elec weak boss

S. Anis, Quency, Biscuit, Exia and... idk, I guess Scarlet

lmao

all elec, 4/5 support for Biscuit's burst

⚡

[dapper swallow]

I need a B1 that gives 30% hit rate

[sick geode]

never

that would most definitely just go to 'self'

on a b3

[sacred heath]

is it worth mlb ?

[sick geode]

your resources

up to you

[dapper swallow]

no

don't

it consumes Volume

[sick geode]

🙂

[dapper swallow]

who will you spend on bunnies/JK?

imagine running Jk/bunnies without CDR

may be you can put Doro there

[sick geode]

Doro without privaty works, but

it feels kinda wrong

we really need more sources of mag size down

[dapper swallow]

you will have slight cd every rotation

every 11s you will reduce 3.02s cd. She's kinda work if you consider 16s every rotation

[lost oasis]

if we get another mag size down

priv becomes a dps i think

[dapper swallow]

hmm

[lost oasis]

gatrix math out priv s2 dmg

with 1 ammo

every burst

[dapper swallow]

during stun?

[lost oasis]

no stun

for bos

boss

im p sure that woudl break campaign though

[dapper swallow]

600/12=50 proc

[lost oasis]

if priv autos did 1100% each

12 BPS for 3 seconds

[dapper swallow]

4298.5% ATK during 10s

looks big but reasonable to me

she's meta but not top dawg

[lost oasis]

hmm

that doesnt sound right

[dapper swallow]

that's kinda like Laplace's level with full stacks

[lost oasis]

lets say priv 1 ammo on full burst

[dapper swallow]

not stun right?

[lost oasis]

wudnt it be 85.791210

wtf

85.79 x 12 x 10

[dapper swallow]

ehh

every 12 frames

you proc once

1 ammo = only 5 shot per sec

[lost oasis]

wtf

how do u even know that

[dapper swallow]

magic right

[lost oasis]

[dapper swallow]

because there's a hard delay

11 frames

[lost oasis]

[dapper swallow]

no matter how big your reload is

[lost oasis]

but imagine if they are stunned though

[dapper swallow]

your nikke always freezes 11 frames

[lost oasis]

58,739.5% ATT per burst

wait

[dapper swallow]

well stun = 180 / 12 = 15 proc

[lost oasis]

not

im troling

its 3 seconds only

[dapper swallow]

yep

15 x 1089%

16335%

instant kill

ANYTHING

in campaign

unless boss

else you just die

pretty much Alice bug version

[lost oasis]

surely it will come right

another max ammo down support

p sure it breaks the game though

[dapper swallow]

only Privaty

other last boolets wont have that much impact

Pepper heal? okay

she's capped by AS

[lost oasis]

hmm

any uses if doro has so much cdr?

[dapper swallow]

Doro? She's capped by full burst time

[lost oasis]

i doubt isabel vesti come into play

[dapper swallow]

yeah may be for Isa vesti except they are not even that worth

[lost oasis]

hmm only does seem to be privaty

every other last bullet seems to do nothing

just a buff or something

[dapper swallow]

Crow can be decent dmg dealer

[lost oasis]

oh shit

crow has last bullet

[dapper swallow]

Exia too

80% atk up

I don't know

[lost oasis]

exia is meh

u can just macro and get it up real quick anyways

[dapper swallow]

true

[lost oasis]

its just priv and crow

[dapper swallow]

wonder why no one plays her

[lost oasis]

but crow got defender attack

so its just priv

[dapper swallow]

90% atk sounds gay af

[lost oasis]

isnt she sup

we did try to cook something like that

with s.anis

[dapper swallow]

80% atk of a supp equals 66% atk up for an attacker

and 66% self steroid attack?

man I dont know

may be I will start upgrading her for fun

(as long as I can reset later)

[lost oasis]

well u wud just compare that team versus the expected s. anis team post moran release

which are either

1. doro biscuit s.anis priv poli/mast
2. doro marci s.anis scar priv
3. sakura novel/mast s.anis guil moran

i dont think any exia team would win vs any of those 3

[dapper swallow]

I mean for team 5
Exia CDR B2 + 2 DPS + healer?

no need to add another 50% atk on top of self buff 80% atk that lasts pretty much forever

and damn, Exia doesn't scale well with ammo either

[lost oasis]

do we have any meta sniper that doesnt have pierce

we dont

[dapper swallow]

let me cook something

really quick

[dapper swallow]

hm

bad

[steep cargo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003328303437992016/1196468713432567908/Screenshot_2024-01-15_155909.jpg?ex=65b7bd52&is=65a54852&hm=b61e3d1a0426b797dd52e90c983f6bc97dacc6c7069b044968b815a366535fe1&

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-leona

[warm barn]

Bro my revisions didnt go through

😦

but it was just proofreading anw

[rich mist]

so do I go kisenix and pull for leona because of that future SG team copium?

[lost oasis]

yea spend all ur gems core 7 leona

shotgun team will be assembled next month trust

[dapper swallow]

which year?

[lunar elbow]

leona plap

[bitter prairie]

Awimbawe Awimbawe Awimbawe Awimbawe

[crimson harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f8eBllgF-8

[terse sinew]

it'll come out - just don't expect it to be any time soon and by the time it does come out - we may be powercrept into a different meta already before hand rendering it basically useless.

[steep cargo]

[lime patrol]

so increase pallets just make shots easier to hit the core... so dumb to be honest

why don't ShiftUp just make a normal shotgun? big dmg, close range, done

[faint rampart]

Mmm steaming pile of hot garbage

[warped cape]

why do that when they can sell you the whole team

[elder salmon]

why not have a nikke burst that forces enemies to be within SG range AND buff SG allies to increase their damage when within their range

This is what leona shouldve done and give 1 piercing to SG shot every 10 crit she does or something

[elder salmon]

no, subscribe to my baconeon

but itll happen eventually a SG CDR

Helm is AR

and with the gradual introduction of SG buffers... i woulnd be surprise if a collab unit is an actual SG CDR

which would be wack imo

[lime patrol]

In classic first person shooting games, usually buff that give shotgun more pellets do exactly that, firing more pellets but keep same dmg of per pellet, which increase dmg, stack buff, accuracy and spread.

[elder salmon]

yeah well its shift up, you should throw away your logic adventurer's guidebook

[lime patrol]

What am i expect from devs that throw Crit under a truck

[dapper swallow]

Wake the fuck up samurai

Leona roll, now

[steep cargo]

@dapper swallow do not share unreleased data here, ty

[dapper swallow]

Who will pull leona then?

[steep cargo]

not my problem

[dapper swallow]

If you insist

[trim echo]

oh my fucking god don't do this to me shitup

[steep cargo]

#1059468005911830558

[steep cargo]

#nikke-spice-chat message
research lab is part of the general channels since it is accessible to everyone

[potent radish]

Still skip?

[steep cargo]

[potent radish]

[rancid furnace]

#1059468005911830558

[versed prairie]

How many pellets does Leona add?

[rancid furnace]

5

on lvl 10*

[versed prairie]

Ah

[lofty sparrow]

Leona pullers gaming

[elder salmon]

7

it starts on lv 7 for 5 pellets

[lost oasis]

Shotgun time?

[dapper swallow]

delete it

there's a new rule

[faint rampart]

What new rule?

[sly sand]

No nikke using extra pellets

It is over

Skip

[tough hedge]

Just wishlist

[shut sandal]

Yeah just wishlist

Some people still don't get Helm even though they put her on a wishlist for almost a years

[opaque cargo]

Skill issue

[paper holly]

Harvester LV10

Modernia LV10

Tove 9/10/10
Leona 6/10/7

Need SG CDR +Heal B3 !!!!!

[steep cargo]

Or you need subDPS SG so that helm can still burst

[steep cargo]

This is pretty good, I did similar damage

At 321 sync too, so we're basically same sync

@warm barn

[lost oasis]

I have been oppressed

[rancid furnace]

don't make him mute you. shut now

[lost oasis]

[lofty sparrow]

[gray arch]

So leona is "useful" in a shotgun team right?

[lost oasis]

Yes

1 copy min at this point

Tove leona sugar x x

[potent radish]

I did this DMG with rh bunnies in 281 syncro

But yeah, is a solid dmg with sg team

[sly sand]

Leona bait

Invest in leona stock

[lost oasis]

Leona doesnt scale off casters attack

So 1 copy is fine

[warm barn]

With a potential new B3 u will need to ditch either Guilty or Sugar

Which do u think is better to ditch?

If u use Sugar, need Marciana

If u use Guilty, need Helm

But Marciana with OL might or might not lead to more dmg versus Helm (but Helm gives atk dmg and crit rate)

Its impossible to say, I hope u can test it for us

You can see un-OLed Leona dealing half of DPS damage

With Marciana, I expect supports to deal around 0.7-0.75x of DPS, now Tove 9/10/10 and Leona x/10/x is a bit over invested tbf

Well you can argue with Tove S2 being 10 but Leona S2 being 10....

I'd just leave at 9/4/10 on Tove, and 4-7/7/4-7 on Leona.

[paper holly]

Boss with core hit >> Sugar + new B3
Boss without core hit >> Guilty + new B3

Leona 4-7/7/4-7 enough for Guilty and new B3

But Leona S2 Lv.10 makes it easier for me to get Sugar hit rate 100%

[lost oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[dapper swallow]

you are asking for a ban

highly depend on boss size

and range too

Land Eater, for example

it doesn't matter how many hit rate you have

you always land pellets

Harvester is another example

[paper holly]

My Sugar hit rate without buff 34.03%

[dapper swallow]

look like 10 pellets

[warm barn]

34.03% hitrate OL?

Dann

[potent radish]

The second one is 9 pellets

[warm barn]

No, Gatrix

Hitrate OL is bad

You trade more damage for more triggers

Or, more damage per shot

[dapper swallow]

what do I trade?

[warm barn]

ATK/ELM

[dapper swallow]

ATK/ELE/Hit Rate

[warm barn]

You should take whatever comes at you

Hitrate is nice

If you know that 1 hitrate allows u to land 1 more pellet consistently

Because 10-11 = 10% damage boost

Against bulky boss without core its useless

Yes

And more hitrate also means more core shots

Far enemies, Hitrate better than everything else

Enemies with not so far core, hit rate is still better

But harvester...

[paper holly]

Yeah, so I think it's ok about 40%

[dapper swallow]

50% hit rate is your stopping point against most of the Tyrant

if you don't care about core shot

[warm barn]

What hitrate does it reach the white outline?

1 ammo, 4 hitrates then

So ideally you run Guilty with 4 hitrate

Not Sugar

Because using Marciana is a kekw moment

Marciana is for Doro Priv

Helm better for crit rate

Ok lets math

How much crit rate can I get from Tove Leona and Helm

Helm 5 is 11.31%, 9.85% + 16.48% from Leona 5, and 2.41% from Tove, and 15% base.

55% for all SG.

In full butst

39% outside

Thats kinda gay

Going the crit route > hit rate route btw @dapper swallow

Cus the S1 cannot core hit

[dapper swallow]

you actually don't need ammo that much

unless she reloads like, 3s lmao

[warm barn]

Whats the diff

Its the same

[paper holly]

There are a lot of good DPS now. I think we might make it just to fight specific bosses.

[warm barn]

Not rly

[dapper swallow]

except they are not well tailored yet. For example SBS can fight literally any bosses

Alice and Red are okayish only on non pierce boss

[paper holly]

for boss Tyrant don't need a large hit rate.

[warm barn]

2B and A2 is kinda ded unless somehow magically its wind boss and u have 4 elementals

[dapper swallow]

until we have things like, a SG that deals 5x dmg on Land Eater, but 0 dmg on Material H or something

[warm barn]

But again investing in both

[dapper swallow]

then we might have DPS for specific type of bosses

[warm barn]

Esp 2B (cus her S2 needs to be 10)

Just for 1 BOSS

Is dumb

[warm barn]

Yes u do

For core hits

Even if its not 100%

Assuming 3 vs 4 core hits

13 vs 14 damage

There is a bump there

Tho yes S1 scaling is important

Problem is IF UR PELLETS DONT LAND UR S1 ALSO DOESNT TRIGGER

So universal, Hit Rate is always better

Because it also acts a multiplier alone

Oh and hitrate has same scaling as attack

OL value

So yes, level 11 hitrate is 11.81%

If u somehow luck it out

And get 4 hitrates instantly

Then

U can slap Drake and have AR core accuracy

But atk is just

Too good

Esp for a team without CDR

Since Tove buff is only half of the time

[steep cargo]

@dapper swallow @paper holly bro wtf

[dapper swallow]

huh

I know nothing

[sick geode]

[dapper swallow]

told you

don't mention the leak content

but we are discussing about Hit Rate interaction

should be safe

the option has been neglected for so long. Thx Koreans for mathing it out

at least we weren't muted on sight

[warm barn]

Thats cus if he mutes us, hes gone from prydwen server and staff too

[dapper swallow]

Nah I won't push my luck there

and won't make people having a hard time too

[shut acorn]

thats some sweet Sugar damage damn

so Leona-Tove-Sugar-Guilty-Helm? I get why the heals but any other reason for using Helm?

and not Privaty for attack buff?

[mild hawk]

@warm barn u reckon leona needs 10 on skill 2 or just enough to reach 5 pellet?

[rancid furnace]

7

https://dotgg.gg/nikke/characters/leona

[mild hawk]

i see cool cool

so level 10 is 3% more hitrate

i cant imagine thats game changing enough to invest in level 10

could maybe make the difference up in OL

[vagrant monolith]

Inb4 Dorothy showcase at the beginning of April, for day

[paper holly]

It easy to play with heal and Sugar get a lot of cri rate buffs with Tove Helm Leona

Modernia LV10 (no heal)

My Drake 4/1/1 no Ol🤣

[potent radish]

Luiadsiūb

[warm barn]

Pepper > Drake bcus Guilty refresh

I think the last member of that team is actually Noir

Arter they release last unit of Rogue

Then Sugar will be nowhere to be seen unless its no heal run

[shut acorn]

Guilty is that good huh?

i should invest on her again

[warm barn]

Guilty has always been good

[shut acorn]

after Tove and Leona of course

[warm barn]

But no dont

Cus its tricky

Very tricky

We dk what Will be the next unit in this team

[shut acorn]

i stopped using Guilty once i got more B2s

[warm barn]

Whether its B3 or B2

Either way, Guilty or Sugar gets shafted

[shut acorn]

yeah im shafting Guilty

[warm barn]

If u use Helm, for now, cant shaft Guilty

[shut acorn]

so Tove-Leona-Sugar-Noir-Drake?

[warm barn]

If u use Marciana, u can shaft Guilty

But Marciana goes with Doro

So u can only use Helm

Which means u can only use Guilty

In the best case however

U use neither

U use Sugar and SHelm

Pick ur poison

[sick geode]

it's hard that so many of the 'good' shotgunners can't go on the same team to go with the shotgun buffers

guilty especially, arguably the highest damage shotgunner, but no one else on the team is wind.

[warm barn]

Technically SAnis can

[sick geode]

SAnis does not want Tove.

[warm barn]

Go with Tove

[sick geode]

ammo up

🙂

[warm barn]

She can but lose damage

But PrivM gains damage

[sick geode]

even with lvl 10 burst

[warm barn]

[sick geode]

tove gives too much ammo.

can't mention the latter.

i was muted for it for like 8 hours

[warm barn]

U just do basic attack

[sick geode]

[warm barn]

And rely on buff

[warm barn]

SAnis loves Leona tho

[sick geode]

that's what i said, at least.

leona, but not tove

[warm barn]

Shes fine with Tove

[sick geode]

the issue is how you got shotgun spread... and anis' s2 is just so powerful for how spammable it is

or rather, how it should be

which it won't with tove.

[warm barn]

U wanna do maths SAnis with Tove?

[sick geode]

tove gives like +70% atk for 10s for shotgunners

but then SAnis can't trigger s2 that often

idk man

[warm barn]

In SAnis burst, lets assume normally she shoots 1 damage

S2 is 0.6 of that

0.4 is her basic attack

4 shots = 4

[sick geode]

except that's not realistic because s2 guaranteed hits for full dmg, while each pellet has to hit to get that 0.4

[warm barn]

But with Tove, it becomes 0.4 per attack, and 0.6 happens per 4 shots

[sick geode]

it's more like 0.04 x 10 = 0.4, and how many of that 0.04 are you going to hit

[warm barn]

Leona boosts hitrate

[sick geode]

while the 0.6 will always happen

[warm barn]

[sick geode]

okay, and we're talking about tove

not leona