[Scarlet: Black Shadow] New Unit Megathread

[potent stag]

so you get the buff on reload for dps instead of being rewarded for emptying the mag

[obsidian elm]

what difference would it make

[teal plover]

yo i just pulled and me too

[potent stag]

when you put in on practice it would be sick gameplay loop

[lethal sky]

Plap

[potent stag]

where you want to optimize your manual reloads for the dps buff

and makes it not effected by any max ammo incrase or decrase

for some other support options

I mean they need to expand sideways for units

I think they are trying something with sg units for that reason

not to go just upwards dps

[obsidian elm]

yeah, same

although i do agree with the need for variance, lol, i feel bad for supporters/defenders, though.

it's either they're JKs or they have to be like a DPS, otherwise, they're too 'niche', and idk what in the world they were thinking with quiry

she was doomed from the start.

[potent stag]

the problem with supporters is max ammo is so broken rn either you want it or not

the jk worked because we have so many snipers/mg units thats just pure dps

[obsidian elm]

i do actually have use for quiry, but that's only because i have both A2 and 2B heavily invested, both which like her...

[potent stag]

when I get spare books my 2b will get them

[obsidian elm]

but i know for a fact the majority of people don't have a use for quiry. burst 3 supportive unit is so weird when the meta atm is strictly burst 3 DPS

[potent stag]

the problem with quiry is that she is a nicher helm

we use helm

[obsidian elm]

there's only 2 burst 2 DPS in the game rn (discounting biscuit when she bursts, her dmg is actually pretty scary, lol)

and no burst 1 DPS (doro doesn't count)

[potent stag]

no dps b1 and b2 is good imho

it should stay that way

[obsidian elm]

yeah, i agree, for the most part.

but it kinda leads to pigeonholing.

[potent stag]

also sanis is a mistake in my eyes

dps supporter shouldn't be a thing too

[obsidian elm]

lol yeah, true, a pandora's box they may regret

[potent stag]

and doro is just on the border

because she doesn't use her stats 100% for the dps

she relies on the team partly

[obsidian elm]

yep. the reason i said she doesn't count is cuz it's difficult to use her outside of raids.

[potent stag]

thats why guilty is not an 100% dps in my eyes too

[obsidian elm]

no power penalty to fuck her over in raids, so she still tops the dmg charts there.

[potent stag]

we just need more buff with stack count to make her a unit that shines

[obsidian elm]

neither is rupee, she's semi-supportive with her atk buff on burst 2 when mileage is fully stacked

and if you happen to use a mostly iron team, she gives them 🆓 stacks

[potent stag]

they should work on these units, and I think they are trying

because xmica is a thing

[obsidian elm]

i was actually considering using her with xmas mica because the two can help one another, but then the other 3 remaining is a bit of a problem, lol

[potent stag]

I have hopes on year 2

[minor fox]

lol good one

[tiny briar]

So far has bs scarlet been tested on the train?

[frigid arrow]

[jade prawn]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/scarlet-shadow-guide

[vague crown]

I didn't know she's also good in pvp

[jade prawn]

Super strong attacker

[lethal sky]

Super strong indeed

Twice who rh is

[valid flume]

how u know u just press the button anyway

[lethal sky]

Plapped

[valid flume]

fking bitch

[lethal sky]

Smd

And yes i just slap her on the shittest team and she wipes

[jade prawn]

Remember guys

Brazilians can double jump

[tired ice]

This is probably a weird comp but damn it works retardedly.

[minor fox]

SS for pvp?

[jade prawn]

Equal to Rh/Alice imo

I think better in some
Worse in some

All 3 are essentially countered by stupid biscuit teams

Sakura hard to use

[minor fox]

how would biscuit counter her? wouldn't scalt's s1 targets highest attack and distribute from there?

[jade prawn]

Distributed damage

Hitting on immune nikke

Does 0 damage

To everyone

[minor fox]

oh

really

[jade prawn]

Yes

[jade prawn]

Don't u remember 2b

[minor fox]

doesn't matter if the immune nikke isn't the original target

for 2b I assume it's because her burst targets the highest hp

[jade prawn]

Scar will be hitting noah/Nero

Which will be immune in p1

[minor fox]

which usually is the defender buffed by biscuit

[jade prawn]

When bisc immunes them

Scar will do 0 damage

[minor fox]

yea but assuming no taunts

[jade prawn]

If you assume better and better scenarios, she gets better

Hence why SS

She kills fast

Those noise biscuit SAnis teams

ScarWind eating em up

[potent stag]

imho best campaign team

bursting twice is enough

[craggy osprey]

whale

[tired ice]

🐳🐋

Story Late is SSS Not S

[sinful kite]

Story late S

[jade prawn]

Yes, she isn't insanely amazing in story late imo

[potent stag]

dist dmg is really not the thing you want in late story

[frozen plaza]

cant kill the bomb fast enough

[tired ice]

Well there are a few enemies her nor RH can kill but Mod melts their Arses

[sinful kite]

When she burst she kill everything

[frozen plaza]

there is a mob that is dedicate for mod to kill yeah

the 1 damage per bullet mob

or the 1 damage per bullet balls

literally force you to have machine gun

[sinful kite]

[valid flume]

she might hit too hard even without obvious aoe she just clear everything with distributed damage lol

[toxic jewel]

can the 700% dmg crit? it can right? like 2b burst?

[jade prawn]

It can

[sinful kite]

distributed damage can bypass armor/def from rapture right?

[limpid ridge]

I just realize its very easy to break a pilgrim comp when the other dps have higher attack than your pilgrim

(Noir in SBS-Alice, MW in Snowhite-Miranda)

[jade prawn]

The final damage depends on the rapture you hit

[toxic jewel]

so I was thinking, if so, then where should I put my Liter/Volume??
this is the 2 team

• Tia/X/Naga/RH/XLud
• X/Blanc/Alice/SBS/Noir

which team does more dmg?

this is a really hard decision when going on Raid whether I should put Liter in team A or B lol

Or should Liter always be with blanc? cuz If not the team will not have any cover repair

[wicked marten]

Wont sbs always be higher than noir with her hefty 115% extra attack

[wicked marten]

Literally team B

Liter*

Stupid autocorrect

[limpid ridge]

Hmm... Thats a good question

Sometimes i kinds confused on how the buff stacking work. Kinda with the noir ammo on sbs thingy where which one applied becore which one

For SBS... I guess when she burst get the 115% atk then goes full burst then alice pick her top two for buff?

[wicked marten]

I believe thats the case

[toxic jewel]

thx, hope we got another b1 cdr soon, having the choices with only these 2 are really sad

[limpid ridge]

I see so in worst case noir only steal every other burst when its Alice turn to burst which is okay ig

[sinful kite]

So i saw someone said distributed damage = true damage . It can crit but cant hit core and ( dmg/ x enemies ) . If true then she work extremely well against high def enemies

[jade prawn]

Its not true damage

It takes the Def values of the rapture you hit

[tranquil portal]

So guys, it´s worth to mlb her or just go to mlb Modernia?

[dark hawk]

Modernia One copy is enough

Oscar too but it depends on your wallet

[tranquil portal]

Oh okay okay

Then I will save the gems

[frosty dove]

i think they were thinking about mother whale when core isnt broken so the extra rapture only take 1 dmg and distributed bypass that

[rigid gale]

People just dont know how to use her properly change my mind

[potent stag]

yeah they can't target the full screen dist dmg to 1 target

[rigid gale]

Idk what youre trying to say

Just kill everything 4head

[potent stag]

thats the thing, she can't when 700% dmg hits to 14 units for 50% each

[open sundial]

Are you looking down on 50 dmg hits?

[rigid gale]

Ive never hit a 50 damage aoe even with distributed damage so thats interesting

Isnt that only the 3rd proc anyway lol

In burst

[valid flume]

how many ammo % she needs if she not running with liter/bunnies for comfortability @jade prawn

[jade prawn]

1 ammo any %

[valid flume]

I got second ammo line

Beside my 68%

so this is trash then

[jade prawn]

I think so yea

[jade prawn]

But this will help in campaign

More ammo outside of burst

[potent stag]

I have a question about the gatrix calcs

how do I type the pierce calc for the sw ?

do I type 1 or do I calc the downtime for the burst or something

[valid flume]

sacrifire black crit damage?

damn not sure about that

[rustic rivet]

Dont take

Bro

[jade prawn]

Tag him and ask in prydwen server

[valid flume]

ye i skipped it

i got 1 ammo stuck with elemental on boot

[potent stag]

ok

[rustic rivet]

Bro crit is good

SBS is half additional dmg

Which cannot core hit

If u ditch thise crit lines

Ure sabotaging

[valid flume]

[lethal sky]

plap

[warm dune]

[potent stag]

thats some black magic rerolls wtf

[valid flume]

Fking heck should have been me

[potent stag]

you guys rolling that here

and I use 15+ rocks for 1 line of ammo for my mod

[valid flume]

Plapped - second runner

[lethal sky]

imagine doing more than just press start twice on pvp

[valid flume]

you are a lazy ass bump that never changes your def so i also press start

[vague crown]

Yep same here, got diamond 4 on the last minute

[potent stag]

mine better

[valid flume]

almost rank 100

[potent stag]

tbh with sync 220

thats kinda my best

[gloomy fog]

So…SBS is only SS tier? I thought she did more damage than RH

[potent stag]

she does when she hits twice on a part and rh can't, with no core and pierce

like... almost never

[gloomy fog]

So RH is still the universal 🐐

[valid flume]

Still lost to sbs

On the iron weakness boss lmao

[gloomy fog]

So…you disagree with SS tier for sbs?

[valid flume]

you know what ss stands for in prydwen?

Snake SUCKKKKKKKS

[potent stag]

on which boss

[valid flume]

this is the UR GD

[potent stag]

wait how? you can triple hit on rh

you really shouldn't

[valid flume]

i auto it

still, it should not happen

[potent stag]

oh wait

oh I get it

after like 5th run I'm getting to calc

this is the calc on no pierce no core no splash

with jk liter

no core no pierce and no range bonus

with some parts rh gains dmg from the boss but this is the pure dummy dps

[valid flume]

meatbag battle sbs 1 : 0 midhood

[potent stag]

she really likes beating meatbags

and this is where rh and alice can pierce once

and salt can double hit

I'm still on the SS train sorry momo

still she is above mod when she double hits

[valid flume]

whats this double hit?

[potent stag]

the rl double hit

from auto

if there is a part thats so close

can she hit both core and boss on storm bringer ?

[valid flume]

i dont recall

aka dont know

[potent stag]

sometimes she does

she can hit behind vulcan shield

this is when she can't hit double

[valid flume]

the only evidence that she is RL

[potent stag]

what that means is her autos does jackshit

so at the end she is above mod on bossing

and below the 2 broken ass redheads

fyi all 4 with liter jk

with no other buff

alice+salt would slam a lot

[jade prawn]

U put mod with bunnies liter right?

And ultra with tiga Alice liter

[potent stag]

to make it fair I did with liter jk

no alice on salt

[jade prawn]

Mod is impossible with jk

[halcyon silo]

what if we want to run without liter AND without bunnies then the 2nd line can be useful

[potent stag]

I mean to showcase

I can put her on bunnies

[warm dune]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[halcyon silo]

tbh i think bastion might still fix it with 1 ammo line

[jade prawn]

Nerf mod bruh she trash

💯

[potent stag]

[valid flume]

i swear i never saw her reloading idek the animation

[halcyon silo]

well without bastion iirc my scar with 1 ammo liter+noir(s2 lvl 5) had 6 bullets left over before burst refilled it

alice spam on boss for gen

[potent stag]

killed mod here and added alice on salt

[halcyon silo]

so i would be 2 bullets short from full rotation after the first one if i remove both

= bastion should fix this?

[jade prawn]

Sounds about right

[jade prawn]

Who's number 4

Maxwell?

[potent stag]

xlud

[jade prawn]

Hehe

Tiga moment

[potent stag]

jk moment indeed

[jade prawn]

Mod trash 💯

[halcyon silo]

dw snake wait til modernia becomes benchmark unit and then people start showing u dmg with 30fps in game

[potent stag]

but I think rh+xlud claims jk

[jade prawn]

Remove Alice and MGs from the game

Unfair units

[halcyon silo]

remove the game

at that point

[jade prawn]

Remove Maxwell as well while you're at it

[halcyon silo]

[potent stag]

meanwhile rh

[jade prawn]

Rh got the built in macro

[halcyon silo]

remove sw

too much manual play

sbs + rh only

[jade prawn]

Nah SW Is skill check

[frail elm]

Overall, is Sbs stronger than Modernia?

Or only situational?

[potent stag]

to be fair according to screenshot

mod bodies salt on 3 targets in story

[jade prawn]

For bosses
Assume yes until ele is a factor

[jade prawn]

So always

[potent stag]

yes

mod benched to campaign

[jade prawn]

Bruh mod is team 3

[potent stag]

ik

it was a joke

[warm dune]

prydwen almost perfect

@jade prawn @rustic rivet

[jade prawn]

Wait for morning bruh

[potent stag]

novel

[jade prawn]

Is alrdy done

[rustic rivet]

Updated in morning

Already queued

[warm dune]

novel down to S?

[jade prawn]

SS

= dolla

[warm dune]

[jade prawn]

Mast down to S

[rustic rivet]

We are also gonna add skill levels, OL, and cube to every char profile

[potent stag]

I would bring dolla over novel in every case

[jade prawn]

Gay

When did we ever have OL

For like 10 units

[rustic rivet]

Soon

Maybe just say No OL needed is fine

Just not empty

[jade prawn]

Crow: 4 atk, 4 ele, 4 ammo

[potent stag]

sw still bodies with trash support

ma wife

[jade prawn]

@rustic rivet couldn't be u

[potent stag]

[rustic rivet]

Prydwen is having a huge makeover soon probavly

Snake says he wants to destroy tier lists

[potent stag]

the "probably" feels

[jade prawn]

Yeah I'm quitting

[rustic rivet]

He wants to remove tier lists

And make a new tier list

Called Meta, etc

[jade prawn]

Bro we haven't even discussed anything

Bro is just saying shit

[potent stag]

just slam the top 10 dps and call it a day

[jade prawn]

Literally

[rustic rivet]

Meta

Situational

Substitute - S
Substitute - A
Substitute - B, C, D, F

[potent stag]

the longer I play with the calc the more broken alice and rh looks like

like wtf man

[jade prawn]

Bro you're literally just saying shit now

[rustic rivet]

Wat

[jade prawn]

Im not doing this at all

[rustic rivet]

Good

I prefer this one

[jade prawn]

Go to sleep

[rustic rivet]

Yes

Bye

[potent stag]

@jade prawn what the teams if rh+xlud takes jk ?

can you part mod from bunnies

[jade prawn]

B1 Dolla Max helm mod

[potent stag]

to give alice+slat

ok ok

let me hit he calc with that

[jade prawn]

xMica

[potent stag]

volume bunnies right

[jade prawn]

No

[rustic rivet]

Xmica is right

[warm dune]

if we talking about less waste of skill effects, i think rh mw pairing is better

[jade prawn]

Idk bro fucking wait for Kira in solo raid

I'm not even top 200

[rustic rivet]

Xmidca is right

[rustic rivet]

Cus XMidca removes max ammo debhff

So u get free 75x ammo

[potent stag]

btw why not gatrix calced the xlud dps debuff for the sheet

but blanc has the debuff

[warm dune]

no cook has happened yet but my guess is that he will have mod + noir or privaty

id be very surprised if he had xmidca + mod

[potent stag]

tove mod

[rustic rivet]

I do rmb doro priv mod being a team

[potent stag]

doro mod can be a thing too

[warm dune]

liter novel mw helm mod was a team in SR3

[rustic rivet]

Doro marci max priv mod

[warm dune]

it was gey

another team i saw was doro novel helm priv mod i think

but those metas are legit almost a year old

[rustic rivet]

Doro Marci Max Priv Mod

Is newer

[potent stag]

1 year old unit goes back to 1 year old teams

[rustic rivet]

[potent stag]

no way rh+xlud loses jk

its too much dmg

so liter would stay there too right

[rustic rivet]

Idk yeah XMidca basically gives her 45% ammo buff by removing her debuff and giving max ammo but who knows

[potent stag]

purely hypothetical

[warm dune]

i mean one factor is if there is a guaranteed pierce on the boss that is easily planned around

then having 5 pierces would trump all these random synergies

[potent stag]

yeah with 5 pierce

its rh+alice

like how ultra was

1 team with 4m+

[warm dune]

not exactly

it wud be like

1 team with rh 1 team with alice 1 team with mw 1 team with sw

[rustic rivet]

Tove SAnis time

[warm dune]

which might have been the case last raid

[potent stag]

this is the 5 pierce team

[warm dune]

thats not what i meant by 5 pierces

i meant a pierce on each team

[rustic rivet]

U misunderstood

Yes that

[potent stag]

oh like that

I taught you said boss has like 3+ pierces on core

mbmb

[rustic rivet]

MatH doesnt have pierce

But he has mother whale mobs

So most likely 5 wipe teams

[warm dune]

who knows

there might b an angle

for a position 5 to triple hit

idk lol

[potent stag]

math had a pierce right from side pos

[rustic rivet]

No, MW mob

[potent stag]

after shield phase

or am I tripping

[rustic rivet]

1 hit damage

Tf u wanna pierce

[potent stag]

they might make it non pierce just make salt better

[warm dune]

deez nutz

[rustic rivet]

Its the mobs

[potent stag]

because its her solo raid

[rustic rivet]

THE MOBS

Is MW MOBS

Those 1HP bullshits

[warm dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[potent stag]

after the mobs

the boss had an angle for pierce

[rustic rivet]

Yeah but how are u gonna handle the mobs with SW

[warm dune]

i rolled the craziest OL lines for kisenix last night

did he show u guys

[rustic rivet]

Yes

[potent stag]

idk drop yulha for something

[warm dune]

fixed his alice and modernia

😎

[potent stag]

fix mine too

[tight grotto]

Goodness, this one is really elusive.

[potent stag]

but first you need to get some t9m for tetra

[rustic rivet]

Thats where things go south

[warm dune]

very hard to just drop yulha

she has the biggest buff out of anyone i believe

[potent stag]

50% ish

[warm dune]

just on a timing

[potent stag]

right

[tight grotto]

I'm at, I think, 60 pulls and had to Gold ticket to get BScarlet

[rustic rivet]

I mean

[tight grotto]

Yea, I know, Pilgrim

[rustic rivet]

SHelm or Yulha burst might do it

If there is a window

Cus remember

DELAYED AOE

Works

[potent stag]

another rng reset angle

[rustic rivet]

What angle

[potent stag]

if you miss the delayed aoe time to reset

[rustic rivet]

I believe Kira will use Doro with SW somehow maybe idk

[potent stag]

if you miss crit time to reset

[rustic rivet]

Cus need that distributed damage

[potent stag]

can 2b make a comeback this raid then

[rustic rivet]

Yes

[potent stag]

what if you drop yulha for priv

[rustic rivet]

I forgot about 2B

Tbh

LOL

Forgotten

[warm dune]

91% att buff > 23% att buff

[rustic rivet]

Im thinking

Doro Marci SW Yulha Priv

Somehow

[potent stag]

better than 0 dmg tbh

[rustic rivet]

[potent stag]

kira will cook some abomination that works

💯

[rustic rivet]

This

Trust

[warm dune]

doubt it

[potent stag]

gtg, need to hit the showers

[warm dune]

i dont think he likes sw priv combo

[rustic rivet]

Never doubt my poisonous cooking

[potent stag]

what if its the salt+xlud with jk

let me drop this and ran away

[rustic rivet]

No

[warm dune]

does math have a core?

@rustic rivet send me the new boss solo tier list

before it publishes

[frosty dove]

tested with it,it remove the debuff but doesnt refund ammo but it help once she reload though cuz you start with lower debuff stack

[warm dune]

do u keep the crit dmg buff?

[frosty dove]

yep

it funny cuz crit buff is 5 stack

debuff is 1 stack

usually those 2 go hand in hand

[vestal kettle]

4.59 with alice or without her?

[tired ice]

I’m assuming blue means max

[frosty dove]

1 below max

[lethal sky]

black is max

[tired ice]

Mahalo lucky just did it for Scarlet boots

[potent stag]

it should have a fully exposed core, except on add phase

Maybe even on add phase too depending what su cooks

[valid flume]

ok emergency @jade prawn do i keep this or not i only have this as the only ammo line

@warm dune helpppp

[lethal sky]

more element

imo

ammo is enough on lvl 7

[valid flume]

ok ok +1 toss ammo away

WAIT

I MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO GD WITH THIS

[flint lion]

[potent stag]

Haven't done any ammo cals

[warm dune]

just keep rolling @valid flume

👀

[potent stag]

So roll it away for lulz

[valid flume]

i changed into new ones

oh u mean keep rolling higher?

[warm dune]

yeah but keep rolling to get good max ammo amount

i made kisenix roll

like 30 rocks last night

[lethal sky]

just lvl her s2 more if you need ammo

[valid flume]

only 10% of his rock inventory

[potent stag]

is this auto Alice with 0 ols

[valid flume]

i got 7

[lethal sky]

you can even go pass 7

and get more roll on OL

[flint lion]

Full OL 100% charge speed

[potent stag]

How is she that low

[flint lion]

Because she sucks

[potent stag]

She can't suck that hard

[valid flume]

midhoood

not born to be dps

[lethal sky]

she can

[potent stag]

I see yt comments saying salt is bad because she is not best in everywhere

Some ppl are really this delusional

[limpid sinew]

Why are you reading YT comments

[potent stag]

I just read she is rl so she generates more burst in pvp so she should ranked higher in pvp

[valid flume]

this is her aoe at like 20% decifit on non-duo comp (this is pilgrim tower)

it feels kinda good

but at the same time not that good

look at these guys

40% hp gone

but there are like only 5 raptures on the map

think it as 15

she prolly choke

[potent stag]

A2 would have 1 tapped them at 20%

[valid flume]

like Snake

A2 would send 15 of them on the dining table in 2 shots

[potent stag]

Bored in bed with phone in my hand

Nothing better to do

0.3charge but 0.3 of the charge damage

[limpid sinew]

What video is that

[potent stag]

One of the zxous vids

Man I love yt comments

They have the same reading comprehension as Yu-Gi-Oh players and 7 year olds

[warm dune]

reply to them and ask them their SR ranking

[grim iron]

skill issue

[potent stag]

Everything because prywden's default tier list is late campaign, ppl assume she is S tier overall

[warm dune]

i still see prydwen getting shit for ludmilla SSS in first month

fkin kisenix

[grim iron]

[potent stag]

idk who codes the site but at least make the tier list boss solo as default

[twilit peak]

at least if you said it now it is half truth
xlud it is

[jade prawn]

Bro it wasn't us anyways

[potent stag]

Or don't, I have too much fun with these comments

[jade prawn]

Think it was koj

And a few others

[twilit peak]

so for other games it is diff team?

[warm dune]

i mean the logic kinda made sense

[jade prawn]

No I mean

[twilit peak]

like eversoul, hsr, and such

?

[warm dune]

but cp penalty too big

[jade prawn]

There are but back then we weren't part of prydwen

Me and coach joined later

[potent stag]

imagine having a debate over tier list and you say, you put Ludmilla to SSS tier, to win the argument

[jade prawn]

Ludmilla SS was info from beta version of nikke

And when they released the game, they changed a lot of stuff from the beta version

[potent stag]

You can't come back from that

[jade prawn]

Making prydwen look dumdum

[twilit peak]

[jade prawn]

Cuz now Ludmilla was trash, cuz they changed the way how some formulas worked

[twilit peak]

jebaited

[jade prawn]

Ludmilla is still usable with blanc on campaign tho

If youre willing to spam hard enough with Alice

Or well, rh

[potent stag]

This has to be a lie

[warm dune]

level 0 legendary gear

mf playing diff game fr

[potent stag]

it's ol for def stat right

Because Rh tanks with S2

There is no other explanation

[grim iron]

I think these people don't know how to play this game at all

[jade prawn]

I think it should be possible if redhood misses a lot of her shots somehow

On Vulcan maybe

[potent stag]

when Rh misses the enemy clump

[warm dune]

maybe they burst 1 2 3 with red hood then burst 1 and cant burst 3 anymore

[valid flume]

wow shiet i never talk on youtube as i know some coomcord bitches shiettalk behind my back

[grim iron]

ah right they pilot and shoot air with RH

[limpid sinew]

Red Hood with fully max rolled def OL

[potent stag]

Take notes chat

We have an ol5 player

[grim iron]

don't even have alice built okay voided all ability to talk

[jade prawn]

Cdub with his ch26 clear with mihara could make a better case here cuz his mihara actually outdpses redhood on Armstrong

[potent stag]

@jade prawn test with max core. Then she is SSS tier

[jade prawn]

With the gems kisenix has

He can core 10 a nikke

5 times

Pretty sure he has his mileage as well

[potent stag]

Should I link him the dps calc for help

[twilit peak]

at least its true tho their rating in star rail is ass
I think one of their hsr team have like argument via youtube and reddit over one chara before and it becomes drama?

[potent stag]

Can't comment on hsr

[jade prawn]

I think the problem is people don't quite understand what single target DPS means

[twilit peak]

diff team I guess

[potent stag]

She aoe clears 2 mobs

So she is the best aoe out there

[jade prawn]

Somehow needs to be spoonfed that

Scarbs does 1 bil damage
Modernia does 0.7bil damage

But modernia can do 0.7 to 10 enemies at once
Scar's 1 bil is divided into 10 units

[warm dune]

these ppl were the same ppl who fell for mr. tim's RH BROKEN OMG 27.8% FINAL ATT ON BURST?

[potent stag]

Facts

[jade prawn]

I miss Tim's free train vids

[jade prawn]

[potent stag]

Maybe this exact phrase should be in the cons

[warm dune]

where tf is sjay actualy

man barely talks now

[jade prawn]

Asleep

He's been busy

With life

[grim iron]

won nikke merch on maincord too big for coomcord now

[jade prawn]

Also he has to like
Take care of his own server

Its grown

[warm dune]

he is in sin and i havent seen him talk

other than for UR days

[valid flume]

time to retire maid role, they dont pay you shiet here

free labor

[jade prawn]

No pls

I pay in respect

[potent stag]

Wow guys 40k under cp

What a chad

[warm dune]

laplace

[potent stag]

On CHAPTER 13 HARD

[jade prawn]

40k underpower

[grim iron]

just 40k under wtf LMAO

[jade prawn]

I believe him

I trust him

That's like what
10% CP deficit?

15?

[potent stag]

More like 5 right

[warm dune]

stop bully guys

[potent stag]

I can't

[warm dune]

we were all them at a point in time

[potent stag]

These are too funny

[warm dune]

looking at my past self with LV 5 OL drake boots

[potent stag]

[valid flume]

this guy beat people then rub the pain like a nice guy here

[jade prawn]

Bro was nostradamus
Preparing for champs and he didn't know it

[grim iron]

12%

[dark hawk]

Rh with hit rate and Def ols

[jade prawn]

Damn

Even Cdub does it better

[potent stag]

This...

[warm dune]

fairly new free to play

this can be a copy pasta

[potent stag]

I hope so

[grim iron]

reminds me of the am new/super low invested DPS "HOLY SHIET MY DOROTHY OUTDPS ALL MY B3S POGPOG"

[warm dune]

reminds me of kisenix and guilty

[potent stag]

Man this one feels bad

[jade prawn]

Bro the ratings are fucking

S, SS, SSS, SS, SS

How is that bad

Am I retarded

[potent stag]

Not SSSSSS all around

[jade prawn]

How many more S does a char need to be considered good

[potent stag]

No, but they are

[jade prawn]

Also the disrespect to drunk scarlet is crazy

[potent stag]

You guys really need to change default to boss tier list

[jade prawn]

Just cuz she falls off in bossing

People think she's fucking dead

[potent stag]

Or at least boss with adds one

Because they can't read tier lists right

[jade prawn]

A restructure is in plans

[potent stag]

I learned it today

[warm dune]

i think the only thing that matters is boss solo

[jade prawn]

It'll help me

Do better

[warm dune]

if champions arena is good rewards

itll be boss solo and pvp

[jade prawn]

Pls be rocks

[reef badger]

I need her in pvp

[potent stag]

She is dead to Sakura in pvp

[reef badger]

[jade prawn]

She is more importantly, dead to Nero+bisc

[reef badger]

Well forunately, nobody using Sakura in my server

[jade prawn]

Which is more disrespectful

[jade prawn]

Bro the thing is

She was released 3 days ago

[valid flume]

it only matters to you, i dont play sr

[potent stag]

or if you're like me and hang around top 100 anything works

[dark hawk]

So we are bullying prydwen now?

Or just yt comments

[valid flume]

[potent stag]

We are bullying the yt chattera

Chatters

[dark hawk]

Oh

[warm dune]

lowkey true though

[potent stag]

These ones are still around

[warm dune]

rh overbuffed

[jade prawn]

U won't see sakura on Def teams but

You can use sakura to counter scarwind
Just like how you use Rosanna to counter 2b

[dark hawk]

Where is the laplace boy under 40k?

[warm dune]

@jade prawn show me boss solo tier list b4 it updates

[dark hawk]

[warm dune]

[potent stag]

Some support for you guys

[grim iron]

someone in my rookie noah/noise/SBS/biscuit/jackal and I did the same but with ASS

I won

[potent stag]

We are using coin flips to determine tiers

[dark hawk]

F2pbtw

[potent stag]

And here is the Mr delusional himself

He walked back this statement in hours with another vid

He is still my hype man tho

He gets hyped so well

This is satire right? Right... ?

[dark hawk]

His testing: union shooting

Vs iron

[warm dune]

[dark hawk]

Guys better like this, more gems and better rank in solo raid

[flint lion]

GD wind weak. RH c7 10/10/10. Scarlet c2 6/5/6 at the time.

[dark hawk]

Actually Rh suffer really hard in UR grave digfer

[potent stag]

0 pierce 0 core

[dark hawk]

Yup

[potent stag]

Best place for salt

[dark hawk]

The Achilles heel

In snipers

[potent stag]

You hear guys mod aoe is bad because it's small

Take notes

[dark hawk]

Now try Vs stormbringer

You will se the difference Vs core pierce boss

Of course Oscar is really good

[flint lion]

#1189528036165550252 message This was in testing ground wind weak.

Auto

[dark hawk]

Wait you lose 3 lvl

[flint lion]

Yes, GD was some days ago

[dark hawk]

Oh

[potent stag]

1 question, are you saying salt is better than Alice and Rh on bosses and story ? Or just memeing around

[flint lion]

She's nowehere near better than RH

But for campaing and tower, overalll she shits on Alice imo

Not on bosses

[potent stag]

Pre buff Rh was auto Alice

Auto Alice is in the dirt

[dark hawk]

I don't like play alice

Fingerbang

[potent stag]

I would play Alice

If I had any t9ms for it

[dark hawk]

I play Alice just in Ur or sr

[potent stag]

Tetra manu is cursed for me

[dark hawk]

one day I tried play in campaign with her

After 1 hour my hand die

[potent stag]

I have 3 sets of ely attacker manu but 1 tetra piece

The game decided I'm not playing her

[dark hawk]

I have 8 complete tetra attacker sets

[potent stag]

Can I borrow one

[dark hawk]

And 5 pilgrim too

[potent stag]

[dark hawk]

Just buy 100 USD pack

Come on buddy, just do it

[potent stag]

cries in f2p

[jade prawn]

Yeah he's an amazing content creator

[rigid gale]

One of the comments mentions specifically the rating being late story though

[dark hawk]

Imagine just watch story late as general rate of any character

[rigid gale]

Actually both mentions the category lol

[potent stag]

They do because the default is late story, they assume it's the important one

They can't comprehend beyond that

[dark hawk]

Like, "oh se Buddy she is S but my oscar beat ezzz my Rh 10/11/12, prydwen sucks"

[rigid gale]

Thats subjective to the player which is more important i dont think the average player aims for high sr rankings

And prydwen knows that lol

Its why its the default

[dark hawk]

A friend plays since day 1 and he never cares SR or ur

[potent stag]

The average player can clear content with anything

[jade prawn]

The average player wants to cook on campaign

[potent stag]

Ask cdub

[jade prawn]

Not bosses

[rigid gale]

Despite that theyll still have opinions on tier lists like anyone else

[dark hawk]

But bosses is our end game

[rigid gale]

And pull for stronger characters

[dark hawk]

Without raids this game sucks

You know right?

[rigid gale]

Which do in fact make story easier than if you were to clear with mihara

[jade prawn]

I mean theres one mistake and I know what it is, it'll be fixed in a few hours

[potent stag]

What's that

[dark hawk]

Just put bosses in first instance instead of story (late/

[jade prawn]

Its that the other nikkes in the tierlist weren't updated along with others

So S tier was actually Laplace, 2B etc = ScarWind

[valid flume]

YOU MUST BE KIDDING ME 33 BAR LEFT

[potent stag]

What's that

[jade prawn]

Laplace 2b etc are going to be A tier
So that scarwind can have her spot safely at S

[rigid gale]

2b and laplace still being s is a meme anyway

Lmao

[potent stag]

That might let them understand it then

[jade prawn]

Nah it's a genuine mistake I suppose

[dark hawk]

Well 2b is useful sometimes

[jade prawn]

Cuz I put them = laplace in a sense

[rigid gale]

I think worrying about the opinions of casuals too much is cringe anyway

[jade prawn]

Even if 2b is usable

[dark hawk]

Let my p4 pls

[jade prawn]

Haven't used Laplace in forever, god knows how good she still is

[rigid gale]

Casuals will obviously have different opinions and interpretation than someone who plays mostly nikke

[potent stag]

More like I kinda had fun by myself

[dark hawk]

Laplace Who?

[jade prawn]

But Laplace was pretty good in her time

[rigid gale]

Circle jerking about whether they can read or not is a bit weird

[potent stag]

Last ur my lapplace got out dps'd by my naga in that shield boss

it was funny

[dark hawk]

This one gonna follow you for your entire life

[jade prawn]

10/10/10 Laplace outdpsed my unionmates scar on ultra

[rigid gale]

Especially when dudes who follow nikke.gg harrassed me basically for saying summer anis was decent even outside of elemental advantage and flaunted how high their ranking was meant i was just wrong lol

[dark hawk]

Ohh ultra

[potent stag]

Neither of them can comprehend tier lists

İt's ok

[jade prawn]

You probably won't see SAnis much on campaign but that's mostly cuz bunnies are anti synergist and tiga don't benefit her a ton

[rigid gale]

It wasnt about campaign

It was about sr

[jade prawn]

Oh then they're retarded idk

[rigid gale]

We were talking about top 10 dps during summer update

Then said she didnt even hit that criteria

I said "eh i think shes at the tail end at the very least"

Then it devolved into them saying im wrong because shes clearly only meant for elemental advantage because of her buff to electric code

[dark hawk]

Sanis saved electric code

[potent stag]

Tbh without scar next to her she might not be in the 5th team

[grim iron]

meanwhile in coomcord when ASS was being mathed on "YO SHE'S CLIP SHE'S GONNA BE BROKEN AF"

then SU stealth nerf her

[rigid gale]

Agreed but id certainly say shes future proof if we ever get more and more cracked electric code dps

[rigid gale]

Whos ass

[jade prawn]

Anis sparkling summer

[potent stag]

ASS

[grim iron]

Anis Sparkling Summer

ASS

[dark hawk]

Ass and ham

[rigid gale]

Ah

[dark hawk]

[grim iron]

real question is who sanis I only know ASS

[jade prawn]

[open sundial]

Tier grades are subjective, I just try to avoid slapping SSS on everyone…. So I started using SS+ to present it can swing between SS and SSS…. And if you see a character graded SS, that’s still a kickass character standing above “99% of Nikkes”. So if I grade something SS, she kicks ass, SSS, she breaks the game .

I’ve come around to treating S as “strong in class/role” but cannot be used everywhere or gets replaced by peers

A+ is country bumpkin tier

D is village idiot tier

[dark hawk]

For me is, she works? Yes, is she meta? Yes, ||has a big ass? Yes|| boss DMG amazing? Yes, must pull

[open sundial]

I’d put SBS at tied with Red Hood, varying by if the boss is weak to the element or offers parts

[jade prawn]

I treat it similarly but people really really really hate that I put her as S in campaign (late)

And think she's just terrible cuz of that

[dark hawk]

But who cares campaign, there is a lot of chars for campaign

[dusky star]

Ppl who still look at tier list care

[jade prawn]

To give some context
The other ratings are:
SS, SSS for bossing
SS, SS

But they only look at the one S

[dark hawk]

it's our first wind DPS pls

Important one*

[dusky star]

New players aint looking for ele advantage when doing campaign

[dark hawk]

New players are stuck in nihilister or mw

[dusky star]

Using ele advantage is something for collectors who have played long enough

[dark hawk]

[potent stag]

Just read a comment where they said " I used her in late story and there is no way she is worse than a2 followed by they started after 2b collab

So... They are just on what chapter 15 ?

[open sundial]

I like this format I ended up with. Going to copy paste it here since I already linked to the maincord thread before

Scarlet: Black Shadow is a new Pilgrim to be released by January 1.

Disclaimer: These are opinions.

Q: What tier is she?
Overall: SS

• Stages (Campaign): S (SS if weak to Wind)
  • HATES hit count shields/projectiles, she is terrible at them
  • She can help with almost anything but clearing projectiles
    • Her “rocket launcher” effectively has no AoE radius, her AoEs come from S1 procs
    • But her S1 distributed damage procs ignore projectiles
  • Excellent for pivoting from clearing waves to single target killing in the same battle
• Bosses (Campaign & Tower & Interception Ex): SS+ (SSS if weak to Wind)
  • Excellent against most bosses, especially Wind-weak bosses
  • Delivers high damage, but observe the following caveats
    • Against parts, she is weaker than popular meta piercers (Red Hood, Alice, etc), piercing is powerful for that
    • She cannot clear projectiles as easily, see related remarks in Stages
• Raids (Union & Solo): SS+ (SSS if weak to Wind)
  • Excellent boss killer, likely best killer unless durable or respawning parts, or thick shields requiring piercing
• PvP (Rookie Arena & SP Arena): A+ according to Keripo
  • You can read his analysis at #1177116972593463316 message (warning: lots of text)
  • Low burst generation
  • High dps, if she can live long enough to use all of her burst duration
  • Hard countered by Sakura

[valid flume]

thats good

snake only chaper 15 or sth

and had to abuse bug

day 1 player btw

[open sundial]

I didn’t give SSS in campaign.. I now need bodyguards

[valid flume]

u dont hit braindamage patient

[potent stag]

Be wary of yt chatters

Last one for now

Gn chat

[coral pagoda]

[open sundial]

Gn, enjoy your S tier bed

Alright enough joking, goodnight everyone

[potent stag]

I have a double bed, can't be below SS tier, biased tier list maker smh

[flint lion]

An invested might actually outperform Mod (Mod with ele adv).

[potent stag]

it already does

[jade prawn]

I can only hope that sgay doesnt put scarwind high on campaign but I must say people would love her to be an all round SSS
Which she isn't

Sad that they can't cope with that

[open sundial]

I reached 10/4/10 SBS and she has better prioritized OL rolls than almost any character I have

She shreds

Bad at projectiles as I expected (can kill one per hit, sure…) needed others to cover for it

[jade prawn]

She doesn't shred on mobs tho

[open sundial]

Had SBS + Alice vs Alteisen interception ex stomp and I hated awkwardly using Alice to destroy them

[jade prawn]

Does she

[open sundial]

But I still won in pretty fast time, 27-32 seconds

[jade prawn]

There's like 20 mobs on screen, 4 procs of 40% damage aren't gonna give you a lot of dps

[open sundial]

As for mobs, an unfortunate reality is I’m bricked regarding testing like an average commander

[jade prawn]

Tribe tower finished?

[open sundial]

I have no campaign to test against, no tower to test against unless it’s Elysion who is walled

I mean, I stomp tower

I used SBS in Pilgrim tower. She shredded everything that moved

I full auto cleared floor 330 or whatever it is, the boss QTE failed then he died as if failing it crushed his hopes and dreams

Full auto, I just watched

[warm dune]

giga whale

[open sundial]

So.. I can’t offer any meaningful testing unless it’s shooting range or maybe Union Raid mocks

And I did mock vs Stormbringer in Union Raid, that won’t stay available forever though…

More like 7/4/7 SBS

[fervent osprey]

Question, if BS kicks out Red Hood from Tia Naga squad, where does RH go?

[open sundial]

With 9/4/10 SBS or something

This latter one is after she got invested into

The one before is with her at like 6/4/7 skills and weak OL effects

[grim iron]

sbs very likely going with liter and bunnies

and alice

[fervent osprey]

Then what happens to OG Scarlet?

[open sundial]

But that’s bossing, not campaigning

[vague crown]

The only thing I would test it on is on cocytus since I'm in floor 160 in pilgrim tower, although I am super underleveled by 80k power

As well as my scarletBS is not as invested enough from the gear I gave her

[grim iron]

pretty much dropped from ur/sr unless electric weak

[fervent osprey]

[jade prawn]

Coccytus is a decent test for her AoE capabilities

[fervent osprey]

My baby girl

[open sundial]

But I noticed this while stomping. One 3rd proc didn’t insta-kill a relatively small wave of like 5 raptures and 2 minibosses

It dropped them a fair bit, then was immediately cleaned up

So I can predict this - there will be stages SBS runs into where she can’t clear fast enough, and gets melted

[open sundial]

And old Scarlet would be better because once she hits burst, team can take cover or you can expect a screen clear in ~1 second

[valid flume]

7️⃣

[jade prawn]

Chair redhood

[valid flume]

i still have legs

[flint lion]

You'll get stuck on 340. It's the annoying burn beam boss

[open sundial]

In the end it’s because stage designers try to make stages that screw commanders over and force them to add multiple Nikkes to their arsenal

[flint lion]

It hits past cover

[valid flume]

i saw your ass

[open sundial]

Wonder if the next 2 chapters will feature stages that melt to SBS though

[flint lion]

Scarlet made me push 20 lvls (from being stuck)

[deep musk]

10k messages gg

[jade prawn]

Can't believe ScarMid is so hype

[open sundial]

Can you share some context?

[jade prawn]

Mod alter when

[jade prawn]

He was able to kill gd

Gd weak to wind

[open sundial]

Oh

[jade prawn]

Gd was wall

[open sundial]

Then it’s more of a “I finally crushed a boss that walled me because SBS, not that I kicked ass in wave or projectile stages screwing me over before she came along”

But still terrific

[minor fox]

don't think I've ever gotten a new unit and then made her rise in cp this fast

[flint lion]

I was stuck on a normal stage

She helped me on the stages too

[valid flume]

he stuck at 329

[open sundial]

👀

Wait, normal?

[valid flume]

this tower

wall stage is

those xx9 stage

or xx5

[flint lion]

All that I'm doing now in Tower and campaings is rotating xLud, Mod, Liter, S.anis and Salter with RH

[deep musk]