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get outta here!!!!
charge speed measurement contest
Bad, make it better
oh brother
imagine not having 21CS through Ol
The funny thing about pleb is he have all these crazy investments but he's 80-100 sync behind the rest of the pack so it's like hard mode for him 

its ok I'm still hanging on
I'm very happy about the fact that i'm further in tribe tower and campaign than anyone else at my synch despite g0 0ning pvp
the 560s and 570s are still stuck in ch38
You're going to get walled by Ziz so hard because of your RRH
My clear was close at 581 and I have a good Rapi
maybe they'll release a fire unit I actually like and invest in
But maybe you can Absolute the fight actually
snow was the best case scenario for me; a character i actually like and usefull pretty much everywhere
The strat is to break the eyes with Vesti burst initial damage and full charges from Eunwha
people have tried lol. Vesti is just terrible at bossing sadly
my vesti is huge but eunwha is tiny
can't even get dupes for her
emma's alright but she doesnt need to be giga invested
SU owes me after what they did to me with the anis banner
Mine is wild 
fire summer marciana incoming, SSSS tier
I will accept no less than 11 copies in 20 pulls

I dont remember your banner, all I remember is waaHAAA
oh the bunnies banner 

I'm really not creative compared to some
eh most people jsut have the default avatar cahracter model
like our good friend, scar
and then theres our bracket's c10
bro just used all of his stickers
One dude in my union managed to make something that would probably get me a warning if I posted a screenshot 
a warning? that isn't fatal
That's the secret how I have never gotten one, I don't try to even skirt or risk one
how many rocks you spent?
It's mostly just text anyway, I just thought it was interesting how clever people can get
I've never been one to keep count of exactly how much rocks I spend. but if I had to take a guess it's deffo 150 minimum 
she's my most invested
only 150 for 12/12 with these blue/black lines is good luck
minimum but it's likely a lot higher than that
I just don't bother to keep track at all
in reality it's probably higher 
Don't count, keep rolling
I do remember getting like 3 black lines and 1 blue in a day though 
@formal quiver do you remember lmao
i dont know i dont memorize your rock rolls!!!
oh brother!!!!
oh gee time to memorize this so i can recall it 4 months later to some guy in maincord

Yea why do u not remember
yeah 2d cmon
Don't count and don't pay your rent either 
just do both 
nonetheless good stuff
Live the moment, stop thinking 
I just memorise all the times hime steals rocks from me




In Champion Arena, once a team is determined, upgrading Nikke won't be accepted, right?

correct
im pretty sure its actually once u hit accept on ur CA team nothing else changes unless u go back in and hit accept again
how come you answer folks here how many rocks you spent on a unit but when i ask you in piecord i just get a 



shes in a good mood cuz she winning 



Counters to this SA team?
Two people in union who have been away for a week. Just realised one of them, even when they have clearly been online during it, has not hit any bosses during UR 
cooked defense team since old teams sucked balls.
move centi to p5 on team 3?

you love it bruh
I would swap RH with Drake
Those are so close to what I have currently

If they bully your RH in p5 you lose
i wanted to moran nero bay on team 3 but no bay treasure and nero 0 invests
But 2.5RL is a bit slow for that team
Older screenshot but this is what I have
does 8% charge speed on helm bring it up to 2rl?
and yea it does seem a bit slow. i put together what i had since im unit limited in pvp for being mainly pve
Nah
I had Helm dies at 2RL with tempering in that team and you really want her to snipe someone
Best would be to replace Drake
How much ammo does vesti want?
im also cube slot limited 
laplace is at r0 
her mats are done for whenever i get her to sr15
Could maybe use Emilia instead of Drake?
Mine is actually max core now too, got the last one between taking that screen sometime ago and now 
I started the game when there was no Emilia
Oh, I thought you did because you're higher level than me lol
wait, I was looking at the wrong screenshot
Iām sync 499. I started November 2024
Can't Lap much harder now outside of OL rolling, but I don't think I will do that
Iāll replace her after the solo raid
Best option would be Laplace but Rumani Trina or even SR Anis works
@severe tundra teams i used to beat aldino
old one stopped working ever since i got 8% cs on helm
I altered mine to be closer to these. The only guy hitting me currently has already solved what I have, but the fact that he tripped up today and lost one attack, might aswell test smaller alterations.

They going to auto thinking that you have the same defense without looking. At the same time, when they figure out the teams are different, you're feeding them knowledge if the opponent is trying to get better
I have two backup teams from Rail, so just trying to trip him up as much as possible 

send backup teams 
in here or dm
If he wasn't so insistent on going for the snipe I wouldn't have to be so vigilant right before reset. Got to rest today since he messed up while I was in bed and he had to use both free tickets to win and he doesn't gem, so far anyway.
Surprising they havent made any units with high cs yet that are similar
Maybe its because they keep realizing they screwed up with sbs
should be triple (they're all hard counters)
T1
- noise helmt emilia siren trina (vigor on noise and trina, rest tempering)
T2 - jackal blanc swha biscuit laplaceT (vigor mandatory on laplaceT to ensure indom and biscuit optional, tempering on swha, quantum on rest)
T3 - moran rumani anisTT cindy noah (quantum on rumani, anisTT, tempering on noah and moran)
enemy on the right side so you know who goes against who:
May I have some suggestions on how to beat this comp? the team used against them was a wash
(without Lib, Rosanna, LaplaceT, and bay)
I can't stop listening to this
Anytime I'm not watching something else, I just put this on in the background


run these, you're on the left
but no Lib 
oh? why'd you skip her 
you can put privT instead then
if no privT you can slap in cindy
I didnt skip, I just dont have her built tbh. never really found a use other than Kraken tho she wouldnt be stronger than my SBS is the issue there, and then I dont really know how to utilize her in PVP and just know its just one of the strongest bursts in the game but delayed.
Ive got both
either work, slap the highest CP one
got it, too bad, wishlist her and pray for the best 
But I said I dont have her built 

oh alrighty i assumed you didn't have her at all because you kinda need her built for UR/SR, i guess it's still a choice 
see my union has me hard focusing on Electric, Fire, and Water hits in UR. then tbh i just kinda get the 3-10% in SR and just call it there.
I mean she needs to be higher atk than SBS for her to work with her no?
and tbh idk to utilize her in PVP tho id like to. im still learning with VestiTU.
yeah she's conditional on that front
as for pvp she's useful to have on attack teams, cuz you've control of when you wanna let her burst, also helps reducing p1 dmg because she naturally targets p5 due to being SR on attack
you can always take ur time and build her when you can afford to, no problemo
I swear I go through waves where I feel like I understand PvP and then other times I feel like I'm trying to shove a square block in a hog's slop bin.
also I love the magic you work 
do the links in the pinned section work i need to build teams for both atk and def
Like right now I finally got knocked out of my arena's top 3 and I can't counterpunch and then I gotta remember how to design teams because I rarely get contested to the point I forget how to design teams
if enemy doesn't change their teams we can make them a tad safer by switching around swha with vestiTU and cindy with privT
T2
jackal rumani cindy vestiTU nayuta (their rosanna is high on ele%, even with cloak removed she can lethal water, let's fix that)
T3
noah anisTT biscuit swha ada (gives SWHA sustain and high dmg output)
or
noah anisTT biscuit helmT swha (this introdues sustain to your team, will kill enemy team slower but will probably trade better and safer than vestiTU earlier clutch)
yeah they're updated, prefer 2RL teams with vestiTU/swha/moran/anisTT
control when you wanna let her burst? is that different from how things normally work with rls?
ill prob build her at some point if it pretty much becomes a detriment if I dont use her
, or if I have a surplus of resources
there's some slow team variants where lib is BiS because she can prevent biscuit invulnerability by reliably landing a 1hitko
this SG team also would benefit with lib as you could reduce p1 damage, preventing them more easily from sacc'ing and ensuring again a 1hitko (a la privaty earlier)
they change their team every day
. Id do the 2nd Noah comp since Ada isnt built
.
huh,I believe i have heard of the prevention of biscuit invulnerability because at one point they had a comp I fought and lost to that one of the ideas was to do exactly that but they changed comp the next day.
Thank you for all the help 
Hey, you guys who know everything about the gameātell me which teams would be good for the SP Arena. Here are the best-built Nikkes I have, but I have every Nikke in the game.

Uhhh did you skip Anis Star and Neo Neon?
No, they have both of them
think they got both of them
I ran out of targets to hit in spa cause no one changes their defenses. Can we do nikke deck countering again?
- moran noah biscuit lib swha
- nayuta anisTT privT laplaceT helmT
- jackal scarlet cindy blanc drakeT
Thanks
you gotta fix your T2 first, looks very abusable
Ill just start over lowkey
- moran noah biscuit swha flex
- jackal vestiTU anisTT/rumani blanc flex
- nayuta trina/anisTT helmt flex flex
Idk if noah allows me to drop nayu 2rl but that team seems like a free win if people know whats up
go with the above and balance CP
you can keep ada offburst in p3 in the indom but don't run main B3 in p1
anisTT in T3 can make your nayuta B2 before siren lands stun so consider that too
as for noah/bay, run them with biscuit
This I didnt know thats crazy
Yea it was kinda a botched idea
you need to use nikke top more often
t1 and t3?
I think I have both?
Ill start using nikke top when I own lapT and bayT and become a real pvper 
T1 win
T3 what is that abomination? why and who taught you to use bay and noah in the same team?
oh wait

You know make it hilarious
let me go and fix it
if i find who's teaching you these things i'm gonna cut their fingers
Change Centi to Jackal
If my Noah have charge speed but my Noise doesn't, does that mean Noise will have the taunt priority because her rockets will hit after Noah ones?
if noah has 4%CS or more than noise, noise hits for last, which overrides taunt, meaning you get noise taunt priority and noah gains siren immunity, as long as she's not in p1
She have 4% and Noise 0% so ugh I need to adapt
I'm using Noise Noah Trina Lib flex, thinking of switching Trina for Rumani or bringing Moran with Trina in that team and using Noise Bay in the other
that's fine
you're on noise taunt priority with that CS% setup
regardless don't run single B1 in p1, it's SG weak
if you running noise as solo B1 in p1 on a noise taunt priority, she needs a backup B1 or needs to be ran in p5
So Noise Rumani Noah Lib flex or putting Noah in p1 and Noise in p5 but it's weak to Siren?
@charred quail times up, let's assume you failed that set
next set:
Not 100% sure on these.
I went with trina on t1 cuz she buffs moran but idk if thats optimal
T2 was kinda hard to get to a decent speed but this with 7CS tvesti is prob fine
T3 I feel like is way too stacked? Idk if I can spread the units better
looks ok but a waste of ada and anisTT
not optimal but not bad either if CP is well spread
Yeah I think so too
The cp is 322k 320k 344k so t3 is prob skipped
was thinking 
better but not optimal, still gets a clear
next set, get going 

If you dont have aniss then nayu 2rl wont dodge mermaid stun right @tropic summit ?
you can still dodge it with 2 quantum lvl 7 clipRL tiers
Except CS invest I guess
and helmT on 8%CS
Oooh okay thats good to know
Maybe Ill go 8cs helmT then next
Oh wait u need quantum lvl7 + helmT 8cs
e.g.:
CS% is still mandatory
8% is the minimun breakpoint albeit risky
I guess Ill get it regardless then
11% is the golden ratio
Darn im short 2% 
this is with clips on 8%CS
I could do that which average out the power of all my teams nicely but feels like wasting my Anis by not bursting with her. Ran out of vigor and tempering
But rh + aniss on nayu2rl is a waste if not paired with tvesti cuz shes just a battery basically right (that makea u dodge mermaid stun)
ada lowest HP in link?
1 and 3?
I had to vigor her up yea
go run that team in shooting range and confirm ada has more HP than vestiTU or you gonna be misindoming
oh oke you already cleared that, good
running 2 stalls is daring but looks good

T3 is a bit on the abusable side but may work out
solo noise in p1 as the only B1 although is really abusable
Stop abusing noise. 
@minor egret this is what happens to your p1 against SGs
lemme rethink it then but I would be surprised if the guy that hit me think about SG
then it could work, it's a risk you can take
China guy. He would prob know how to take adv off solo b1 in p1 that isnāt Moran
keep in mind there's also vestiTU + SWHA or vestiTU + emilia early pressure teams, not limited to SG only
I don't really feel Lib in def, it's so easy to abuse
ya she is
So much abuse in pvp channel. 
How is this now? Should I keep aniss on nayu team?
T1: noah is preferable over bay, AoE nuker is preferable over DPS oriented sustain here... but you still deny helmT and their damage via bay invulnerability and DR stacking, so it clears out
T3: clears
2 wins, good job
@charred quail let's see next if you learned from previous lessons on SG pressure and weak links
Actually this is just worse
@charred quail
very good observation, you learning to judge defense teams 

the most resistant team archetypes atm are:
- noah or bay with biscuit and DR stacking (expensive and unit specific)
- indom with ada offburst buffing (cannot be stalled)
- gimmic oriented teams (soda, stuns, sacc, early pressure, unusual)
the more complex and less easy to solve 3rd team is, the more likely you get a win out of defense
And I have 3rd team primark 2rl nayu. Its over
yeah it's kinda abusable, that's your weak team
This is the other option. Still don't see that team 3 winning but I don't know what else I can run
At least t1 and t2 are solid
T3 looks better but i'd fix positioning:
noise rumani lib noah emilia
T1 and T2 look good
I guess if u do run aniss on nayu at least I could potentially waste a try with them going mermaid to try and stun if they dont know
keep in mind unprotected noah in p2 is equally abusable
Can't lib be abused by a strong Vesti in p3?
I'm worried about Vesti + SWHA early pressure
yes the choice itself of lib is bad in that team, but your concern is that it can be indommed against regardless
so T3 is cleared one way or another
the good thing is that both your T1 and T2 are then expensive
so your chances are actually decent
have you considered autofilling one team with your beefiest pve stuff and then making 2 pvp teams out of your remaining characters
I have a 100/50 atk Cindy that could get buffed by Noise but it's not good in def these days and even then it's hard to reach 2RL like that without Helm
actually... that could be used
you can run slow cindy 
if they're unfamiliar with that archetype, it may get you some def wins
You need Biscuit, right?
optional if you run nayuta variant
I don't think it's that much gap but I'll check
@minor egret
several patterns for the nayuta slow cindy variant
the first is very customizable, you can add soda/siren or SG/splash pressure
you can also add rosanna in case and move anisTT in p5 (if you wanna sacc midhara in p1)
2.5RL or 3RL cindy is also decent as it costs units to deal with her
Is mihara used vs ziz
for lowest clears yea
i didn't end up using her cuz i went the RRH hyperbuff pattern with moran B1, but anisTT wasn't released yet
i think nowdays you can probably afford
anisTT moran rrh helmT/privT crown
but need high ele/atk on mihara for that
1 and 2
same with xdiesel
Ah okay I see I was curious to know cuz shes my next wall and the nayu mihara team u shared would free up a lot of units for me
For def*
Hmm she isnt even OLd yet 
So then Id get double value out the investment essentiallt
so this is what you mean?
Whats a unit thats 11% 2rl that does something here
I mean I can show you for tower 1240f. It's fine if you don't have a good Mihara/Diesel, you just wait a bit more and clear with Helm but in both cases you need to feed your rapi until she's fat enough
yea. i mixed up the order by mistake
I could just run another clip RL but idk that seems like a waste? Cuz Im so close to 2rl anywya
first of all what's CS% on helmT and anisTT
AnisTT is 7.59 and helmT is 0
if that's the order then it's 2 wins, good job
you abused each team weak link and counter
My rapi is 12/12 but only 69 42
that helmT badly wants those 8CS% asap
This game demands so much 
. the spa hitting helped then? 
Its franky 
Ill use my next rocks on helmT then I think getting aniss fully 12/12 is gonna take like 150 rocks from the position Im in
@charred quail clear this next
yeah looks like, you're doing better
This prob isnt worth currently to fix anymore 
looks like you're in luck, anisTT CS% alone is enough to give you siren immunity on B2
run the 2 clipRLs with quantum on
20+ more ele, enough ammo and you're good. She's worth it because she hit 2 elements and B1/B3 
oh quantum isn't even necessary... ridicolous unit
Yeah Ive been trying reset attributes here and there but I have yet to see a good ele line theres 1 at 22 the rest 10~
and you actually don't even need a 2nd clipRL tier
Wtaf
Anising with Anis
I cant think of a good last unit tho for "most" value
this still retains siren immunity... ridicolous 
you can slot a clipSG tier and it's still fine
Manchor? Idrk
she's too slow, can't fit
you need clipRL or clipSG tier units
if you've any high CP of those 2 you can fit them
Hmm its 2rl on nikkedeck but I guess u then get merm stunned
any from these
you need nikke top as i said earlier
Nice and clearly too slow yeah 
nikke top or bust
@hidden mortar my autofill is lacking more cores
t1 and t3
Yeah I be topping nikkes
this?
yes
why that T3 
single burst 1 in p1
tell me what happens between 0RL to 2RL

there's a moran a noah and a biscuit
oh
SGs shoot p1 starting from 0RL up to 2RL

what happens should be obvious, go ahead and tell me 
guess i will go and retry that
yeah. 
shotguns shoot p1 and then biscuit is triggered
on the bright side you used the right counter... in reverse 
Final iteration? The CP is 20k higher on t3 so maybe that makes people scared and skip. T2 Im hoping 7.19CS tvesti + jackal feed gets it to 2.3-2rl
just remove RH, you're again wasting anisTT imo
add clipSG or splash pressure
Rh is just so strong for me tho its free CP
alright then it will have to do, but burst with anisTT
nayuta anisTT helmT RH lib
this gets you going on lifesteal at 2RL B3, which adds difficulty and resistance
reverse as in the team in the set you gave beats the shotgun?
and anisTT does AoE DPS
ye moran biscuit archetype is anti SG
SGs can't snowball if they can't kill
just like absolute team needs to snowball

nayuta does the same job as you can lock SGs on a position
These are the units that could replace RH. After bay the CP becomes quite low
dafuq you've privT and you didn't slot her 
I was thinking ab it but you sent your cores and I went with them š¤£
I was like "Im pretty sure privaT is good but lemme just fill this out"
Oh wait
Can I do PrivaT on the moran team
this is an option
With swha battery?
it has its own demerits because it drops you to 2.2RL
but doable
Ive seen nayu privaT yeah it sounds cool
Prob better than what I suggested
option 2 if you wanna stack CP
still retains siren immunity
Broken
you lose out on sustain but if enemy is 2RL noah-ing it anyway you wouldn't make use of it
this actually adds threat against noah teams that are not running proper counter
and you mitigate rosanna via 3 attackers
Learning
you remove some counters but enable some others, overall less counters and more difficulty tho
That sounds good then
@charred quail let's raise the bar
was in the bathroom. does this work?
so the sets get harder?
this? if yes it clears
Now I did:
Team Moran same 321k
Jack tvestcenti blanc ada329k
Nayu aniss priv lib helmt 352k
That's higher power and that let me replace Bay with Noah + I can make it 4RL or 3.5RL by switching Laplace for Emilia. Probably worth a shot
we add conditions assuming you're gapped
which forces you to deal specifically with 2 teams and can't skip the weaker one
yes. i changed the team 1 tho
Should I pad t1 up? My strongest units * 0846 = 321k so its close
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i won't even bother checking, you already cleared that one what matter is that you understood to run indom there, which was correct
clear this
condition: T3 is gapping you and you can't face it
Solve this: t1 t2 and t3 are gapping you
that's where you hope you can run nayuta archetype and noah biscuit archetype on deficit and they don't have multiple 2RL teams 
I have the solution!
The ultimate weapon
Yeahhh Ive been able to beat gappers through that sometimes
Theyre usually stupid and do like
500k cp t1
430 cp t2 (no pressure beyond p1)
Manageable t3
So then I just deficit nayuta t2 and beat t3
But where Im at rn theyre like
450k~ across the board
I think I could maybe beta this guy but my upper CP is like 360k so probably not
those are not teams you can win against while gapped
Yeah theyre a bit too real
mhm
Swha existing already messed up ur defi attempt
Why is Neon like this 
this?

1 loss, 1 close but potential lose
T1 will fail to kill link and won't be able to stall
T2 will likely win with moran left alive alone
(due to speed issue, you're on B1 when enemy is on B3)
to deal with indom without ada you can stall with
noah biscuit helmt flex moran/noise
the point here was to run heavy stall against T1 and any anti nuke or non jackal indom against T2
. early pressure doesnt beat the indom?
oh 
If I put centi on this team I get 8k more cp but then vlanc has to be p3 or centi p5 which opens up alt routes to beat it. Prob not worth
helm B3 won't be in time to prevent blanc B2
essentially when you're about to nuke link, enemy is already indommed
then you lose because you don't have DR or enough lifesteal in time
to stall indoms you need DR stack + lifesteal or hard sustain
realistically against a vestiTU indom lifesteal + DR stack is the only stallable option
oh so the moran bay helm from before?
and that is only if enemy isn't running vestiTU on ada buff, then you can no longer survive it
Actually this pad
ye that's a form of heavy stall
against vestiTU the moran noah option works better
as bayT can mitigate but not nullify AoE
another heavy stall nero double revive?
double revive...? 
rapunzel plus mana
who taught you this?
where are you getting cursed information from 
in the pie server
learn these 5 standard stalls
I would alpha him instead 
double revive miharaBC new meta 
I knew someone would make a joke with that
i also learned nero anis. Hime's favorite team
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it's a situational team so don't think of using it without thinking
it's also a rare team due to invest requirement so most ppl won't have access to it
number 2 and number 3 are more common
I can't help it! My dad has been saying dadjokes to me my whole life
Whats invest requirement for nero?
Good dad
All-in
10/10/10 SR15 4OL and ideally high cores, optional but useful 40%atk and 40%def
Okay thats high invest yeah 
nero is mostly a CA unit, so don't bother
CA is too much of a resource sink to excuse investing units for it
sasuga rail sensei! ill message again tomorrow then to see if i learned

it would help if you had opponents you could fight while on small deficit, cuz that's your next step once you learned regular counters and matchups
what do you get from ca btw besides the frame?
large e-peen rights
the c3 maybe
If a noob like me can get top-16 without Nero, then can anybody 
Removing Anis from that team hit hard to get back to 2RL 
Would Red Hood or DrakeTr be better here on that slot?
with ada you gonna need a clipRL or clipSG tier at the very minumun ye
the issue is im still at c8 so i would need to stay at least c6 to be able to hit the c3
Alright thanks rail I ended up with this šŖ 
Voucher for union
turn that team to
jackal vestiTU anisTT blanc drakeT/laplaceT, ensure the flex in p5 has more hp than vestiTU (give them vigor)
LOL thats funny
RH doesn't do anything useful in there
my current defense teams
also blanc in p2 is a deathwish and B3 in p1 is stunnable
Ive never seen this happen before cuz my union members that are actually good despise pvp
looks good
Our teams are really similar lol
I actually altered mine a bit based on Fishes 

Noice
Same archetypes still before and after, but I got my cp a bit higher and more equal across the board
I wonder if this really inactive guy that keeps trading top 8 and top 14 with me can break this def
He prob can cuz like he has hella cp over me
ima go get the c3 defense teams and send them to you so you can tell if they are doable
Dunno if it will trip the guy aiming at me, but worth a shot 
Delayed indom not good?
it's not even the delayed part, which is bad aswell, but the fact that p1 can be stunned and then they can just stall offburst vestiTU
And yeah both DrakeTr and LaplaceTr already have more HP than VestiTU
run that instead then, prefer lappy if possible
ideal setup:
I don't have much CS on her
CS% on vestiTU is all you need, 5% is enough starting point
team is on natural 2RL regardless
@tropic summit are these deficits doable? im 1 level away from sync 501 btw.
Ah i see. 
Should I buff Nero?
i gemmed once just so ic an get the teams 
Now that I have noah is lapT the most important pvp treasure? I have moran helmt and privaT already
You really can't catch up 
that's the guy in c3
T2 is doable, T3 harsh, T1 impossible
I got told just now that nero takes absurd investment and is mostly a CA unit. So probably not unless u just want to have her
Give her favorite item yes yes meow
if you wanna play in CA sure, else don't 
Need some ideas to help counter a SP set of teams.
Defense Team 1
TTAnis/Blanc/Emilia/Biscuit/Cindy
D2
Nayuta/Helm/SW:Heavy/Rapunzel/Laplace
D3
Moran/Noah/Trina/VestiTU/Ice Maiden
even with 501?
multiply enemy CP for 0.846, look how far you are
T1 and T3 both don't want to be in deficit
this is the c2. other guy is c3
or at least the best place/way to check ways to fight back, easy enough for a dumbass to check
so only 1 can be in deficit?
T1 doable, T2 and T3 impossible, hard pass
these are outside of deficit, they're downright gapping you beyond 

i did the multiply. is around 1.27mil
you attacking or assuming they're attacking you?
How big of a risk is having a jackal vesti indom on defense, without a backup B3?
time to buy coredust?
I'm now counterattacking that so yeah that's their defense
time to just let them gather dust there, not worth it
i beat c4. c3,c2,c1 too much gap
Should be fine right
Really gotta learn how to figure this out on my own
I dont think tvesti can die or be stunned with another b3 being there to backup
how do i get deficit hitting experence then?
they've core units built so i don't think you'll likely be able to def, can try throwing them off with these, test them out one at a time (once defeated change to the next)
Maybe theres a mechanic Im missing tho
Yeah I'm thinking that if Vesti dies before indom, the backup b3 has much slimmer win chance anyway
they'd need to be beatable campaign teams or hybrid campaign/meta, these are all hybrid campaign/meta but way beyond deficit hittable range (generally below 24%)
thanks our levels are similar so it shouldn't be... too bad... maybe
Isnt the damage being shared anyway? How does tvesti die solo? Does rosanna just kill someone without killing the whole link?
if you running only 1 or 2 attackers, they can be rosanna'ed if there's no backup B3, which means bye bye indom effectiveness and threat
rosanna removes link at 1RL, then can 1hitko if unit isn't full HP
typically a rosanna + swha is deadly on that scenario
as swha softens enemy HP enough for rosa to kill even if no ele weak
Guess I'll go with that for the day and see what happens. I like it better than Lib nuke
I thought cuz jackal shares the damage ud either have the link die or not I didnt know just 1 linked unit can die seperately
I pray for a good reshuffle 
looks interesting although i'd swap rumani with anisTT but may work, test it out 
@tropic summit How do you counter this kind of slow Cindy teams btw? You have to match their slow speed?
no link is removed on all units at same time at 1RL
Oh wait, rosanna dispels obviously
Iād still like the nikke deck team countering for deficit tomorrow even though current bracket is too gapped
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liberalio 2RL is generally a safe choice, as it leaves only nayuta and a brief time needed to tank midhara DoT
else high sustain teams that remove cindy or rumani early on
Damn rosanna is a cracked unit too bad shes expensive af
But even without that, Jackal link doesn't make the units unable to die or not take damage, it just means because of the spread they survive longer, but a linked unit will still die if health goes to zero. Or is the damage spread calculated as %? Cause that doesn't sound right
I have an extra spa hit from the gemming. Itās not going to dissapear if I leave it there?
I could do Nayu Mihara Cindy Anis Neon to giga pad but then I'll have fix my Vesti team 
Is 2.5RL Vesti indom enough? Otherwise it's Rumani p3 and trina p5 but seems kinda weak buff wise without Ada or Anis for Vesti
Yeah but in my head I didnt know rosa could dispel. So then I thought "how does 1 linked unit ever die seperately" cuz theyre obv linked
didn't work for the one I was looking at, but I got back up into top 3 on a different person so thanks! that did help
vestiTU without ada can be stalled, so she kinda would lose threat and difficulty
I guess in a really niche and specific situation ur link could get hit by exactly enough dmg that ur indom target doesnt survive but the others do and then u dont get b3 off
if it's a bought attempt it stays even through seasons and resets
But that just seems extremely unlikely I cant really imagine this happening way more likely that ur link just gets nuked

It was a bought attempt to get the c2 and c3 teams 
that actually happens on a jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc ada team setup
But of course I want to use her in CA
xmaiden retains indom threat and needs to then be stalled out

Ofc it does
Im always proven wrong here LMAO
That is why I was wondering about the no backup B3. I took maiden out of the indom to go for a bit higher cp with AnisTT in there and my Ada is just too weak in cp without better rolls to even consider atm.
@tropic summit I was using that before but I have the feeling that it's going to get hit by early preasure Vesti+SWHA and indom will go to Ada or they probably could kill my Vesti. At least that's how I feel it
Thats pretty cool tho I didnt know that was why xmaiden was included thought it was just a good burst gen guy that also has high hp so wont misindom

Dare to dream
the threat of getting link nuked or p3 misindomed is always there, overall it's safer and harder difficulty than the other options if anything
101010 4ol sr 15 with 40%atk and 40def pref according to rail btw
@umbral crown he gonna do the thing
I have the first 3
the last 2 I will try to fix
with 59 rocks
So now ur going for 8/12 nero
Better than 95% of my units
In every form of gameplay 
pvp enthusiast
Respectable
should've picked handholding enthusiast instead, rookie mistake 
When nero gets treasured ull be eating good
I like the way nero looks so that is already a big help
Also quick question I got
Jackal sr10 and noah blanc sr5 who should I sr15 first? Im assuming noah altho jackal/blanc is nice so I dont get gapped trying to hit also
@tropic summit I can always try both options and see if he struggle more on one but I remember trying slow Cindy before Anis and it never won for me but hard to know what's happening on the other side
Spa should give replays on opponent attacks
Id say thats broken but lowkey defending is cooked so yeah why not
T3 is almost someones bossing team
It would be cool to see what's happening in our def matches and it give you the opportunity to correct
I pray for good reshuffle 
Meh I'll test it out with the indom without the backup B3. My opponent might win anyway, so I won't know until he hits me 
He does have Rosanna on his CA team, but not sure how built
what other line do you need on that part?
Ur lines did a shuffle
was 1-rock rerolling for line 3 def or atk
But lowkey u can keep thats 1/3rd of the atk u need
but black line 1 is a blessing/curse
U still have 3 pieces for 25 atk 40 def
with this system it's often better to not get attached and keep rerolling. You'll reroll values once you get the lines you want
I have been cursed by black line 1s for too long
Yeah Iāll reroll another gear and leave that one for now
but you can keep this part for last yes
When I get one it's always the same choice, try my luck by locking it and praying for a bit or decide to full reroll for better positions. It always sucks to get these but it is what it is
I always went for the lock in the early days for them, because I never even bothered to look up any of the info on what the chances for stats are
I only new blue/black = really good
Nero hungry cat
this one also looks interesting
make sure you confirm HP on vestiTU and links
good luck 
Time to do a few for boots
blanc SR15 first, jackal can wait
Also I went for locking the lines long before the temp lock item was added in 
Jackal and noah can wait?
Bruh u had to rock lock always before?
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not bad not bad
Thats so horrid bro
Ok another gear
Time to get some def
Og nikke was rough yall has to complete each event stage too I heard
And do kraken literally every time
Not only that but it was harder to get rocks too with the old interception
I have no idea how many hundreds of rocks I've wasted on pointless rolls
noah will generally be behind biscuit anyway, jackal as long as SR5 is already doing enough
And I thought my rock income was low 
why this R nikke in that team??? I have seen it more than one time
easier to sacc, due to lower HP and stats
Alright thats a good point I will sr15 her then. Also helps that blanc is decent in SR too for me
it's a meme team so take it with a grain of salt
Ur seemingly getting quite lucky
Zant is easy to sacc, yes 
I always left Blanc doll at SR5 and I did Jackal long ago after Noise Moran Noah
Care to explain why? Because I don't think I ever saw her die on me before indom
Very hit and miss rn
one gear I already used 15 rocks on and no line 3
used 24 rocks now
25 to go

Even better is product 23 idoll flower scar trina rosanna
(Its not better Im joking)
blanc on SR15 can actually survive situationally vestiTU, as long as you know enemy invest
blanc SR15 is also easier to slot in p2 against heavy pressure teams (emilia + lappy or emilia + swha or similar)
lastly, you can run her on defense more easily than you would with a fragile low tier doll (in p5 against SR pressure)
adds more options
realistically, anyway, you want jackal noah and blanc all 3 on SR15
This nero getting beefy
2 stats out of 3 good already, and line 1 being easy to reroll helps 
Alright, thanks for the input. Is Biscuit a good priority for it too? It's nikkes we use all the time so might as well I imagine but I'm curious
biscuit has the advantage that she doesn't need to generally live long enough or can be ran in p4
her doll priority is definitely lower than jackal blanc or noah who can be more easily in exposed positions or need to not die pre burst
roll atk in line 2? 
that's a blackline you kinda wanna keep, juicy on nero
My biscuit at r15 
Upgrade your doggo NOW
She deserve it
I used my selector today on SR RL for noah 
After 6 blue kits 
Maybe after next SR (I dont get SR dolls from the boxes ever bro)
I am happy for u 
the doll is very important for pvp?

Doll gives CP and SR doll more importantly dmg reduction
So ur guys will survive stuff they otherwise maybe wouldnt
Blue doll phase 15 vs SR doll pahse 5??? so much better?
Bottom skill is from upgrading the SR doll so quite a bit yeah
Just upgrading a R15 doll to SR5 give 12% damage taken + extra stats and you don't have to use mats beside the doll. After that it's more stats, 14% damage taken at SR10 and 17% at SR15
so it is a big difference...
Yeah technically ud want all ur units to be at least SR 5 in pvp
Maybe select niche ones u dont for rosanna sacking but otherwise the dmg reduction is hige
Could be the difference between life and death but some nikkes need it more than others
I tried about 4 times
no line 2
8 rocks left
who won this btw

I did take the black def line 1 of course
but rerolls are painpeko

ITāS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE
Is ur nero done?
2 rocks left
Gotta love the dreadful roller coaster of overloading nikkes 
Itās getting there
Not bad
Pretty good even
yea cheap to improve
is Lable good por CA?
Iām going to use my last 2 rocks on this

hope for the best

Solid
It's tier 8 lines it's good enough
I think I'll not use a single rock this solo raid. Should be 0.5% anyway but I'm below average on Kraken since 3.5 so I'm not recovering from it
top
thanks
Nero doesnt need lines per se
Better to work on Vesti/SWHA/ttAnis
RT suggested 40% atk and 40% def
And I already had 10/10/10 with SR15 doll and at Core+3
And for me I have a pretty good AnisTT, 50% atk Vesti and a decent SWHA, so I am spreading the love to other units I wanted to build more
because I am
pvp enthusiast
also scar, rosanna...
he has very nice build for core units
moran as well


@umbral crown I was looking at my unit stats and saw something
truly a CS merchant, I didn't even know she was this stacked
idek how or why I rolled this
i think only my Centi has 21% cs 
more than mine
shes on 19
how does Moran targeting work? She's killing my P4 and P5 before my P2 and P3
waos
thats... a lot
does either p4 or 5 have taunt in their kit?
yea
wish it was on my anis instead
yuo will get there... eventually
I don't think so. It's helm
Moran targeting sometimes abit bugged i think. Randomly targets P5/4
might be the weapon change thing, I've seen people say units with weapon change on burst have jank targetting
likely 
they're probably going to treat it as a feature and keep it in 
@hidden mortar Did we won? Did we beat the S bot? 
I remember having a bug in UR with Moran weapon change, it showed the numbers of it even if you were on another nikke and it was such a spam on the screen that I wasn't able to see what I wanted to see on the nikke I was controlling lol
Let a man dream of a peaceful future will you

assuming he isnt a whale he'll run out of gems soon at this rate
nvm hes a whale
dudes got like 80 skins
meanwhile i have 18 
18?! I have 32 and I only bought 3 passes. What the...
I'll probably never have a complete collection
in my defense though I just havent really cared about any of the collab characters, only one I regret not buying with tickets is ada
I don't care much either but I still grab one copy. I hope I won't regret not mlbing them once I'll reach the level cap
making them true limited is cringe (I understand why but still)
I don't. Since they count for increasing the level cap they all should rerun
should probably add their spare bodies to the shop on a rotation at least
so people who pull 1 copy can cope and buy MLB over time

Probably didn't sign for this 
Real whels have Star Trails
(for their profile banner)
you're lucky its inconvenient for me to screenshot and send images rn
I'd send your profile

Im so hopepilled



he should be at like 120+

