[Ludmilla: Winter Owner] New Unit Megathread

[gritty yew]

she's not good yet

[remote terrace]

6% atk buff + 6 ammo

Good for my SWless ass

[gritty yew]

u

need

to

be patient

[remote terrace]

[gritty yew]

b3 cdr healing shotgun unit coming out for anni

cdr will be like liter but give

[remote terrace]

Nuuuu

[gritty yew]

hit rate max ammo attack

[remote terrace]

Wow so delusional

But I hope its true

[gritty yew]

then

tove guilty sugar isabel b3 cdr

will be possible

[remote terrace]

Time to run Tove Mica for 14 extra ammo for Scarlet

[gritty yew]

https://tenor.com/view/exasperated-michael-scott-gif-13179415001013058912

midca sucks

[remote terrace]

Says someone whos gonna get 1 copy anyway

[gritty yew]

yes i will get one copy

but not because shes good

[remote terrace]

Yes

[gritty yew]

but because she's limited

[slate ore]

I gonna get 1 copy anyway cause limited

[remote terrace]

Cus even if u trashtalk and change ur mind later

[gritty yew]

i didnt pull quiry

still dont have quiry

[remote terrace]

You can 180 in 5 secs

[gritty yew]

sounds like u have a lot of experience

180ing in 5 seconds

i dont remember the last time i 180'ed

[remote terrace]

Shud have just given CDR to Mica

[gritty yew]

i think i started talking in here during nier banner?

[remote terrace]

[gritty yew]

a2 and 2b ended up being

exactly as expected

hovering team 5/6 now

oh actually i came here for mast banner

ended up being good, but has fallen off already

😢

[remote terrace]

Tove is just a sleeper

Not yet her time

UR will be her start

Gravedigger alr shows up there

So next unit must be SG

[jovial fog]

Gimme wind SG DPS

For tove

[remote terrace]

Wind B3 also works

Technically

[gritty yew]

thats literally what im saying

[remote terrace]

It pairs well with Guilty

[gritty yew]

ur just trying to overforce her

too early

[jovial fog]

No one is forcing her

He doesn't have snowwhite

So he has to use tove

[gritty yew]

tove mica cook

[jovial fog]

For t5

He cooks for himself

[gritty yew]

too many ppl talked about it so kira went to the dungeons to test

[remote terrace]

I dont have SW

[gritty yew]

it was just

[remote terrace]

Its better than me running N102 Drake Maiden

[jovial fog]

Bro shit spreads like wildfire from these threads

[gritty yew]

i mean ur just missing sw?

[jovial fog]

We're huge

[gritty yew]

no

it was me

im like how bad is it

[remote terrace]

Yeah no built Laplace

[jovial fog]

Yeah and you're here

[gritty yew]

"negative IQ"

[remote terrace]

I cant use Laplace

[gritty yew]

u guys think im joking let me find it

[remote terrace]

*I used Laplace on Ultra

[jovial fog]

Well

Laplace was meta on ultra

[remote terrace]

Meta for my top 200 ass

No SW fucking hurts

[jovial fog]

CB is also pierce heaven so

Gl

Lol

[remote terrace]

Fuck u

CB is more close range

SG is usable

[jovial fog]

Oh true

[slate ore]

CB is freebies for pierce

Btw, A2 still gucci

[jovial fog]

Imma abuse ele OL neve

[remote terrace]

A2 has always been gucci

[slate ore]

Cause R2 doesn't have range bonus

[remote terrace]

2B on rhe other hand

[slate ore]

Meanwhile Naga better cause pierce sg

[gritty yew]

@remote terrace

[slate ore]

[remote terrace]

Is on the verge of extinction cus she is literally just a filler DPS

[jovial fog]

Naga no ele

[slate ore]

Neve only 2 shots

[jovial fog]

80% perma atk buff
Still negative iq

[remote terrace]

Guillo is dying too

[gritty yew]

yes teh buff is big

[slate ore]

I dodged that bullet

[remote terrace]

Too much shitposting wait till 14 december

[gritty yew]

but u take an entire slot out so u lose a dps slot

[remote terrace]

I dont trust anyone at this point

Ill find someone

And ask them to run

Tove Mica Marci Sugar Drake

[jovial fog]

I can do that

I have OL sugar

Oh wait

No tove

Nvm

[gritty yew]

@primal lodge can u get tsuki to write an article on slot pressure

so we dont hear no more kisenix cooks

[remote terrace]

Slot pressure exists

[strong seal]

TREAT?

[remote terrace]

But if other units cover up for the damage loss

Its fine

[gritty yew]

the problem with

tove mica

is that the other units dont cover it

[remote terrace]

Udk yet lmao

December 14 will decide

[gritty yew]

at least the doro biscuit s.anis comp cracks out the doro too

[jovial fog]

Huh

this also has 3 DPS tho

[strong seal]

nah December 27 will decide
because NY lol

[gritty yew]

what has 3 DPS?

[jovial fog]

Oh wait yeah nvm

I forgot

I go sleep

[gritty yew]

most comps ull see 2 threat dps, 1 sub dps, 2 supports

[jovial fog]

Before I get slandered again

[gritty yew]

exception is

yulha sw

where its 4 sup 1 threat dps

[jovial fog]

SW too big pp

[strong seal]

helm and shelm there

[gritty yew]

u just listed two supports

lol

[strong seal]

true
ain't no way miranda is getting replaced for xmica

[gritty yew]

u see

i think if xmica DIDNT have the max ammo on her s1

i wud think she's good

[remote terrace]

Because SG supports also deal damage, and the DPS too that the diff is only 10-30%

Versus attacker SG

[gritty yew]

tove meta will come

late jan or feb

@ me if im wrong

[remote terrace]

@gritty yew

[gritty yew]

[turbid forum]

I only got solo elemental damage on her helmet

Should I reroll for more stats or....

[strong seal]

can we get a better Pilgrim SG next month?

[jovial fog]

2 ammo first
And then roll for atk/ele on other 2 first

And then roll for ammo+atk/ele

On the ammo things

Maybe

Smthng like that

[gritty yew]

i need to somehow find max ammo

[jovial fog]

?

[gritty yew]

ive got 3x ele lines, 2x attack, 0x max ammo

[turbid forum]

So reroll then?

[gritty yew]

😢

[jovial fog]

How many ol do u have rn

[kind sail]

long term is getting xlud burst to lvl 10 the play?

[turbid forum]

1 atm, just the helmet for mow, vest is lvl 3 atm

[gritty yew]

yes

where our full burst weekend

😦

[kind sail]

in two weeks i think

[jovial fog]

Keep the ele for now

Use her in blanc noir team and upgrade skill 1 to lvl10

[turbid forum]

aight

[jovial fog]

So liter blanc xLud noir Modernia probably

[jovial fog]

And use bastion cube

[gritty yew]

xlud with bunny mod isnt guaranteed

[turbid forum]

hides Wingman ok

[jovial fog]

Bro he has
0 max ammo

[turbid forum]

[jovial fog]

Rolls

[gritty yew]

thats even more of a reason to not go into bunny mod?

[jovial fog]

Huh wdym

[gritty yew]

at that point dont u just go into tia naga or doro priv

[jovial fog]

I thought you can infinite shoot in bunnies with 0 max ammo
If S1 is lvl10, noir S2 is lvl10 and basti is lv7

[gritty yew]

i guess tia naga u wud burst first

[gritty yew]

dont think so

i feel like it ested this last night

but maybe i had rong cube on?

lol

[jovial fog]

Mf who spread misinfo

[gritty yew]

those shits are all blue

omg fiine let me test

[remote terrace]

Yes and no

Long term yes

But may take 300 years

[jovial fog]

@remote terrace ?

[gritty yew]

i tested it

literally shooting range

[remote terrace]

No shit Lorax lied

[gritty yew]

1:30 timer

im reloading at 1:06

i have 0 max ammo

[jovial fog]

Okie

Then reload it is I guess

@turbid forum how levelled is your burst

For lud

[remote terrace]

I autoed and I think my Lud's ammo actually went up

Bro

I tried Doro Quency XLud Mad Priv

And she deals same damage

As when shes is in LitBlanc

[jovial fog]

Cope team tho

[remote terrace]

U sure u wanna run her in LitBlanc

[turbid forum]

6-5-6 right now

Am out of skill mats atm

[jovial fog]

Ok just ask me when Ur starts

[gritty yew]

quency is not a realistic healer for SR

she heals 2 ppl

lol

[turbid forum]

Aight

[remote terrace]

Well bosses hit 2 highest attacker

[gritty yew]

dam ultra really hit

2 only?

guess covid really fked my memory

[jovial fog]

1

[remote terrace]

Not all bosses are ultra

[jovial fog]

1 highest atk yeah

[gritty yew]

and not all bosses sit there and watch u kill them for free

[jovial fog]

At best it hit 2 if you ran SAnis with some kinky shit

[remote terrace]

Yes

So quency works too

Not everywhere

[jovial fog]

Anyways CB is like
Doesn't even have machine guns

[remote terrace]

And when she works

[jovial fog]

He's missiles

[remote terrace]

Its better than Marciana

Free attack buff

[gritty yew]

they bouta give him a 3rd leg that shoots white milk bullets at the lowest attack

[remote terrace]

Austin seems to hold a grudge against me

[gritty yew]

????

[jovial fog]

Just get snowwhite so you don't have to cope cook everytime

[gritty yew]

i call out food poisoning when i see it

[jovial fog]

And cook normal

[remote terrace]

I'm applying for Nikke MasterChef

Stfu

[remote terrace]

No

I dont even have burst manuals for maxing XLud Burst

U fuck

[gritty yew]

oh

i got 2 sw while pulling for xlud

im core 5 sw now

🙂

[remote terrace]

I RESET NOVEL ALR HER BURST IS 5 AND I STILL DONT EVEN HAVE ENUF BURST MANUALS, 2B IS 0 0 0

[gritty yew]

i might reset novel soon

[jovial fog]

I also reset 2b

[gritty yew]

like 70% chance

[remote terrace]

Im leaving Novel at 5

Fuck it

If there is a reset I might reset her again

[jovial fog]

I think if we get another buffer+DPS
Maxwell can be freed and allows for
Doro novel Alice Maxwell priv

Which we can work with.

[remote terrace]

Or no

Ill keep it at 5

For some teams

[gritty yew]

ur like @proud epoch

that team is gone

evaporated

[jovial fog]

[gritty yew]

i loved that team

lmao

but its not realistic

anymore

i miss SR 4

[jovial fog]

It counters CB well if it's normal CB

How much is the big boi gonna damage my cover anyways

[remote terrace]

Its usable

You dont have to enforce meta on everyone Austin

There are many ways to achieve top 100

But not top 10

[jovial fog]

Hasn't there only been one SR where we needed survival?
And it was ultra?

[gritty yew]

nah

the first 2

were complete hell

lol

[remote terrace]

Blacksmith?

MotherWhale?

[gritty yew]

SR2 was some of the most bs cooks i had to see

yeah

the first blacksmith

[remote terrace]

Harvester?

[gritty yew]

had to create some tight diesel timings

[remote terrace]

Alexander?

[gritty yew]

alexander was my favorite

[remote terrace]

Alexander was super good.

Best SR lmao

[jovial fog]

Yeah but if

Doro admi Alice priv
Was usable on whale

And

Doro novel Alice max priv

Was usable on BS and Whitesmith

I don't see any big shift in thinking that Alice max team is dead

[remote terrace]

Alexander: BGM wins

Boss design wins

Shooting fun wins

[gritty yew]

hope ur right

[remote terrace]

[gritty yew]

if we can run novel in that team

i wont reset novel

i really like alice priv combos

[jovial fog]

Alexander is the only SR we publicly have 0 player count data for : (

[remote terrace]

As I said

[gritty yew]

do u guys know the dark tech from SR 1?

[remote terrace]

Novel 10 is so uneconomical

[gritty yew]

the mother whale

[remote terrace]

If ure only using her

[gritty yew]

it was exia i think

LMAO

[remote terrace]

Every other raid

[jovial fog]

Bruh

It wasn't just exia

Ludmilla etc

It was half the roster

Even mica

Yulha, Isabel

[remote terrace]

MW was fun

[gritty yew]

uh idk about those

[remote terrace]

Alexander was fun

[jovial fog]

Any delayed AoE could kill the mobs

[remote terrace]

Why no more boss like those

Rn its just damage fiesta

Theresnt any challenge

Not fun

[gritty yew]

yea but exia doesnt drop ur dps like lud or isabel do

[jovial fog]

It was like the first thing we found out about whale SR

[remote terrace]

Thanks to bbs nga

[jovial fog]

Bro we had some extreme cope cooks back then cuz we were missing half the rosters

[remote terrace]

But then I shared it

On last day

[jovial fog]

It was the start of #raid-planning channel

[remote terrace]

SWless was okay back then

Ffs theyre trying to push SW meta

They need to make bosses with fucked up mexhanics

[jovial fog]

Mf SW was always meta

This is why I'm telling you to just spend 1000 dollars and get SW

[remote terrace]

Like "if parts are destroyed, self deal 300% more dmg"

[jovial fog]

Surely 1k pulls = SW

[remote terrace]

So u cant use pierce

They wanted to pursue that path.

Of making bosses only counterable by certain chars.

But complaints about MW went too far.

And ruined the fun.

MW was perfect hardship wise.

A bit too hard, I suppose.

But it was well designed.

[gritty yew]

u need to go hard on next pilgrim banner

and pull a lot

and get sw

🙂

[remote terrace]

I took 190 pulls.

3 XLud, 2XAnne, 2XRupee, and Liter.

[jovial fog]

He has like 200k gems btw

[remote terrace]

No Pilgrim detected.

[jovial fog]

He is saving for nikke 3

[remote terrace]

I have MLB Isabel you mtfk

And u know

[gritty yew]

bruh

[remote terrace]

My pvp is peaceful now

No one hits anyone

[gritty yew]

u have only mlb xlud?

[jovial fog]

3 xLud means lb2?

I think

[remote terrace]

Your math is faulty

Thats why ur cooking is burnt or raw

[gritty yew]

uh where did u say

u had 3 copies

i was asking a question

lol

[remote terrace]

^

[gritty yew]

oh i didnt see

some stuff u type

goes in one eye out the other

[remote terrace]

I see

The hot gas and oil must have blinded you

Anyways

[remote terrace]

My pvp

For some reason

No one hits

The entire arena leaderboard hasnt changed

For 2d

Maybe today I get dropped

Bht

I was 3rd place

And there were whales in 4 5 6

And my rival is in 7th

The whales seemed content

With their ranks at least for now

So I get a shield

3rd is really the best rank

You get shielded by whales

Who only want 4-6

[gritty yew]

one thing i find endearing about kisenix is that he's able to talk to himself and keep himself entertained

[jovial fog]

4th is the best rank

[remote terrace]

4th is not good rank

Cus 4-7-10

[jovial fog]

Wtf are u talking about

[remote terrace]

7 will hit 4

[jovial fog]

Bro ain't no one outside challenger 6 know how to pvp

Anyways I go sleep now fr

[remote terrace]

Sounds like an insupt

But yeah I can do that

Ive had that skill since im in high school

To cope with boredom

[opaque burrow]

Waiting for Kisenix update the tier list with new review

[gritty yew]

yikes

kisenix in hs

playing gacha

[steady bison]

Sorry teacher for getting all excited and loud, I just pulled a UR!

[primal lodge]

I tried having him make a burst generation update video

[remote terrace]

Tbh thats @jovial fog 's job

[primal lodge]

10 years ago

Guess where it is

No where

[gritty yew]

have u tried

reminding him

[remote terrace]

I mean tier list

[primal lodge]

Multiple times

[gritty yew]

whens the last time

[remote terrace]

That means he just doesnt want to

Hes busy smh

[primal lodge]

Months ago
Bc I gave up

[remote terrace]

People have life

[primal lodge]

[jovial fog]

If you give me free hand on tier list
You gon hate me bro

[remote terrace]

Not me

Everyone else

Will hate you and Antillar

And well also me

Thanks to u

See

This Snake guy is not confident

[jovial fog]

I'm confident in my own thought processes
They don't fail me

Completely

[remote terrace]

But he wrote a fucking 5 long ass page guide for jiggle game

In secrecy

[opaque burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/have-confidence-korone-hololive-doggo-no-confidence-gif-21412083

[remote terrace]

Yeah

You can fucking write 5 pvp guides

Motherfuker

[jovial fog]

6 people helped me with that shit bruh

I wasn't alone

[remote terrace]

Then persuade

Emily to play again

[jovial fog]

Nah it's done now
I'm not touching nikke now

Dead game

[primal lodge]

Your thought processes suck

[remote terrace]

Ok bye

[jovial fog]

Gonna play metal gear and chill

[remote terrace]

No one will rmb u

[primal lodge]

I'll remember him.

[remote terrace]

Jk

[jovial fog]

Ggs coach

[primal lodge]

We make untasteful
Gamer jokes together

[remote terrace]

Ah yes

Only him

I mean hes ur boyfriend

Anyway

[jovial fog]

You haven't played with mikoz

Me and coach know ball

[remote terrace]

Mikoz is the most common type of Indonesian friend

You havent met enough Indonesians

[primal lodge]

Kisenix mad that he doesn't have a boyfriend

[remote terrace]

Well, no cus Im not gay

Im mad cus I dont have a gf

[jovial fog]

Excuse

[remote terrace]

Ok, then you two just confirmed urselves to be gays

Screenshot

Gonna share in prydwen and reddit

Prydwen and Nikke.gg are boyfriends

[primal lodge]

We both have gfs too

[jovial fog]

Do we?

[primal lodge]

I have gf

[remote terrace]

Threesome is better than tw

[remote terrace]

Good more news to share

[jovial fog]

Idk bro I'm just gonna refuse to elaborate

[remote terrace]

Oh foursome even?

[jovial fog]

Oh ok anyways

#1181779382956724224

No more offtopic

It's getting weird now

[primal lodge]

Snake has
0 cock

[jovial fog]

At least before we were talking nikke

No more please

[primal lodge]

Snake has
0 maidens (the nikke character)

[remote terrace]

Snakes or your bf?

[jovial fog]

I infact have 4 maidens

[remote terrace]

I have Core 4 Maiden

[primal lodge]

That's definitely a lot of maidens

[remote terrace]

See Sjaykin

I have a lot of gf

I have 8 maidens

[jovial fog]

Bros cut off the offtopic now

[valid chasm]

[jovial fog]

Pls

[remote terrace]

Its Nikke bro

[jovial fog]

No

[remote terrace]

We are talking about Maiden

[jovial fog]

This is Ludmilla thread

[remote terrace]

[jovial fog]

Go to #nikke-spice-chat

[remote terrace]

Ok we go to #general-chat

[jovial fog]

Sure go there

[primal lodge]

I want to suck Ludmila's cock

Now we getting on topic

[jovial fog]

[remote terrace]

Im spreading this news

[primal lodge]

Kisenix
Don't you have better things to do than

Spread
Middle school drama

[remote terrace]

Tbh no

[sonic bloom]

raid is postpone

so understandable

[gritty yew]

sgay

[kind sail]

waiting for that sweet delayed solo raid compensation

[opaque burrow]

you don't have a gay friend? 😱

[remote terrace]

Maybe I do but Im not gay

Maybe I have a gay friend who isnt into me

[opaque burrow]

crossdressing and become the GF that you want to have

[fathom charm]

?

[hushed gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-anime-gif-25275767

[hushed gyro]

Here's the obligatory PvP analysis. Nothing surprising
#1177116972593463316 message

[opaque burrow]

Keripo's PvP tier list rating : D

[sonic bloom]

D for ?

[twilit flame]

deez nuts

[remote inlet]

Xludmilla act nice as a sub-dps with Modernia. She doesnt seem to have that “I can singly carry” though.

[kind sail]

um isn't modernia suppose to outperform xlud in campaign scenarios with her burst?

given it spams a lot of mobs

most analysis im seeing are based on boss fights

[remote inlet]

Modernia outperform everyone

[kind sail]

sure

cause it wasn't even a proper testing environment lol

thats why literally no one posted tests based off a campaign stage

and doing a test against a bursting modernia already invalidates the results

no one bursts with modernia in a boss fight

theres also the variable of CP in campaign which would give wildly different results since everyone has different combat power in that environment

[remote inlet]

Its not about the damage at the end

Its what they do in the fight

[kind sail]

then bursting with modernia in a boss fight would make her far lower in the DPS rankings

with that logic that makes her worse than xlud

mathematically

[remote inlet]

Just in normal mode

Why u bring boss in, i wouldnt burst in boss w mod

[kind sail]

cause you said it's not about dmg but what they do in a fight

im going by your logic

and campaign is a terrible way to test

[remote inlet]

Cuz modernia is a single carry

[kind sail]

cause there's random variables

[remote inlet]

She in majority of comps

Everyone else b3 work around her

So she outperform everyone

[kind sail]

alice literally outdamages her

lol

[remote inlet]

Why bring damage in

[kind sail]

in a alice/bunny team mod is literally flex dps

[remote inlet]

Alice does different thing but she still need aoe support

[kind sail]

i mean campaign is a terrible metric for testing

thats why no one uses it

[remote inlet]

Testing what

I just think xludmilla is nice subdps for mod

Not as main dps

Yes for campaign forgot to mention

[kind sail]

i mean we already knew that

lol

campaign is what modernia is literally designed to excel at

[remote inlet]

[remote terrace]

There is no campaign stage that doesnt have mobs

In any stages

XLud is worse

Than anything in campaign

Whether Mod bursts or no

Thats your fault for being unclear

Plus XLud will always be inferior to Mod

Except in very specific case

Where the enemy is Fire

[remote inlet]

Its not about the damage at the end, or mod burst, but when boss spawn, best scenario is having Mod not bursting for highest dps:
-Scar provide screen clear and follow up damage (ST) in safer environment during boss rush
-SW provide highest nuke, disregard environment
-A2: Similar to scar, but constant screen clear, not strong st gun damage
-Xludmilla: no aoe => no safe environment (Tia will sacrifice to save dps), but we get another MG that benefit core hit. This gun is stronger than scarlet gun, together, these 2 MG will only loose to SW nuke in the same way/strat the boss being played.

[graceful cape]

Yeah when you look at it this way, Xlud doesn't bring much to the table tho.

• She has high single target dmg true, but clearing with her is ehhh, esp when you need to clear things fast and constantly in campaign
• Her dmg is DPS so you won't be able to "cheese" through certain stages.
• There are a lot Nikkes bring ultility better than her in exchange for less single target dmg which won't be much of an issue unless boss stages

her real shine is on boss stages, Tower (because Anis is meme with bunnies). Save campaign pushing for others

[steep patrol]

...jackal?

[plain rain]

does Ludmilla buff RH more than Alice?

via Lud’s S1

[tawdry narwhal]

What is recommended skill?

10-7-7?

7-4-4?

[plush flare]

Mmm good question, I can't try cuz my lud is 1/1/1

[jovial fog]

No

[turbid forum]

https://youtu.be/ZU7LNpxRCgw?si=VwddjJUrxJVJdoJM

Bro cooked

[unique kraken]

[fathom charm]

[white sinew]

Tldr?

[twilit flame]

no cdr all machine gun teambuilding with diesel, xmica/tove

[white sinew]

And why do we use it like that, team 5?

[sturdy nymph]

Yeah SR. The team performed quite well, compared to bunny team, considering it was Tove/ diesel/xlud/guillotine/guilty.

So it leaves the strong combos for other units that need them more than xlud does. Basically xlud can do well even without heavy support

[twilit flame]

if someone who has all roster, it's about one of the b2 vs shelm pretty much

get cdr but lacks synergy in skills or the other way around

[sturdy nymph]

He said you don't need cdr as much with that team because you don't have to burst as often with 3 MG on the team. Since FB damage is additive to core damage.

[flint reef]

It's the team he is cooking when XMica will be released (replace the R one) but as always we don't have enough skills materials to test multiple teams building

[fluid furnace]

More xlud

[hazy hull]

Thats some cooking but with no cdr can it work?

Though the3 MG dont need burst to use their heavy damage part of their kit but full burst still a 50% more dmg in the duration

[white sinew]

#show-off

[steady bison]

If Winter Ludmilla is useless in a stage, struggling to be meaningful, she’s around tier A imo. If the stage is made easier by her presence and raw single target damage, then this virtual tier goes up…

A: Just a body that hurts. She can’t help you beat the stage with her skills.
S: Enemy has exposed core only after you make it through waves of mobs handled by other Nikkes (Modernia, Scarlet, etc)
SS: Enemy has exposed core and Winter Ludmilla contributed greatly to getting through the waves (AoE not needed stage)
SSS: Enemy has exposed core and is weak to Water. Whether or not she needs help clearing waves, she will murder.

It makes sense that you need to use Modernia burst to clear waves, it can even be to the point where you can’t bring Winter Ludmilla just because she can’t AoE when you need two AoEing bursters.

It’s also a power difference issue as usual, the closer to blue squad power the more you can ignore the stage mocking you for not having the OP meta squads for campaigning. And some of the obnoxious bosses that walls players in campaign include Nihilister and Chatterbox, they’re weak to Water but no exposed core most of the time.

[white sinew]

[opaque burrow]

Da baby deal peak dmg with raw shooting while da mama have to burst to reach single-target peak dmg
and da baby can wipe mob if needed

so yeah, raid players want XLud

[gritty yew]

@jovial fog @remote terrace wen u guys updating the tier list on prydwen

i hate going to characters to click

[jovial fog]

January

Late Jan

[jovial fog]

What?

Wdym

[gritty yew]

i mean like putting midca and godmilla on the tierlist

[jovial fog]

Oh that

They come on TL when review comes out so

[remote inlet]

S-SS

[wide dawn]

no way she drops to A even on unfavorable satage, at worse she is a S

[steady bison]

Maybe I can say A+ at her worst, but it’s cool. In the end I think she’s overall SS, and there’s always an annoying stage your favorite squad comp hates

[plain rain]

gonna reach hard 20 and 22 with a built Ludmilla

god is good

[wide dawn]

does charge speed lets the mg wind up faster ?

[plain rain]

no

not that I've tested it, but I feel like we would know by now

[wide dawn]

maybe I should test it, if it works by any change mw can be a good support for mg's too

[remote inlet]

so in this clear, xludmilla playing the role of scarlet/a2 here:
-Burst during a sniper elite spawn (usually scarlet is safer as she clear the wave and prevent potential death on the team, A2 kinda work here also if Mod can take down elite herself), only elite left to take down.
-Burst during boss so mod can ST, same thing, scarlet/a2 is safer here and Lud only provide high ST output so its riskier but also a bit faster to take down boss (loose to the speed of SW)
-nice substitute, not core pick if full collection and others are built

Also, she has this similar role to Sanis/A2 during Attack Battle stage (where battle lock in 1:30m), due to her Gun as MG is good enough off-burst,

A2 has decent aoe off burst, Sanis has her passive rocket off burst, Xludmilla has big pp gun

[wide dawn]

I lack mod so I do with sw instead of mod and try to 1 shot the boss with lud dmg amp help

where lud can clear the wave

[remote inlet]

The reason why the damage at the end wont tell you much, cuz u dont try to optimize their dps, but to use them when you need to, so better to understand what they do rather than the dps u see at the end

[remote inlet]

ye this works too, just very very risky cuz absolutely no aoe lol

[wide dawn]

where you need absoltue I aoe full burst with rh helps too

its a bit cope because you need to stall a lot

[remote inlet]

stalling is a strat too :d

[wide dawn]

you stall for that 40 sec and sometimes you hold burst on b3 rh for the right time to wipe

once I cleared the stage with 0 sec left

[remote inlet]

adrenaline rush clear

best feeling

[wide dawn]

but then I get to boss stage

and my team falls off because I can't deal with the stage without 3 dps

[flint reef]

For now I am stuck with Motherwale 21-32 (normal) can still do some little progress on hard campaign

[steady bison]

Yeah, if a single target unit is strong enough, they end up killing fast enough to compete with some AoE units

Looks like that happened, and Modernia was enough AoE if needed

[flint reef]

My best AOE unit is still A2

[steady bison]

Maybe tier A is a little too low For stages that aren’t to her advantage

Or maybe it’s that if there is such a stage, it’s pretty rare

It’d need core-less miniboss, and bigass waves of enemies

With condition of destroying the waves asap - like artillery enemies when their barrage kills in a couple hits

Or skill jammers within 5 seconds of battle start

[remote inlet]

A2 doesnt need the mini boss to be coreless or anything core related

She just there to enable safe environment for big pp dps modernia does her job

[steady bison]

I meant tier A not A2

[wide dawn]

coreless mini's are what

the shield ones right

the non-hitcount ones

[steady bison]

I think bone snakes or whatever are coreless? Are they?

They’re new, chapters 25 and 26

And depending on firing angle, the tentacled horrors that nerf their target’s reload speed doesn’t take core damage, but they have cores

Infinite-like ammo counters those pretty hard though

[wide dawn]

I haven't had problems on the horrors or can't comment on the ch25-26 enemies

[steady bison]

And even skill jammer towers have cores, hmm

[wide dawn]

the coreless enemies are a myth

we have like 2-3 boss at total with non-reliable cores

and every time a unit comes out with core dmg everyone copes on the "coreless" bosses

[steady bison]

I’ll just revise my opinion to be she floors out at S tier in worst cases

Also I just ran into the bone snake in Elysion tower floor - it has a core

So NVM that lol

For your edification @wide dawn

[wide dawn]

that looks cool af

[steady bison]

It’s like the tentacles, it picks a victim and beams them. But it’s not reload debuff, it’s more lethal damage instead

So the victim dies faster

[wide dawn]

huh

[plain rain]

bruh

still not fixed

[jovial fog]

I lack mod so I do with sw instead of mod and try to 1 shot the boss with lud dmg amp help

If it happens again I'll tag you @grand warren

[grand warren]

kk

[jovial fog]

.
Was just checking bot

[plain rain]

do help m*d

[white sinew]

fricking whel momo

smh

[wide dawn]

pinged the wrong guy

[remote inlet]

No i pinged the right guy, was showing him the lud+sw case he talking about

[wide dawn]

I posted that

[remote inlet]

Idk what he said w Quas tho

[wide dawn]

the bot broke

then he typed the same thing as I did

[remote inlet]

Ohhhh

I got it now

[wide dawn]

also ty

good to know it works on that high of cp too

[remote inlet]

Ye i got another one

This is base defense, how to play with wave and blue progression bar

Since Xlud gun is strong, together with modernia, they can take care early stage without burst

Then follow up with Tia-RH-Naga to add bit more damage

Then delay and burst with modernia for elite (reason why not burst w Xlud here is the waves coming after)

Too many raptures and they will take a lot of progression bar so Mod extra 5s on burst help

[wide dawn]

have you tried charge speed on mg's ?

[remote inlet]

And burst w lud at the end but she seem hitting the tower too much in the vid

[remote inlet]

Idk if cs does anything on mg

[wide dawn]

I mean after alice bug everything is possible

[remote inlet]

Ye i saw people do that

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1108346931819851806/1183148996831748146/image.png?ex=6587485e&is=6574d35e&hm=fea0e001859eeb9d829f2c99ffda7998ff22870d6eda3eedd5d70ad100d4bae8&

This is Nihilister for that chap

No one legitimately can clear it below 381

We got @white sinew w Alice bug manage to do it

[wide dawn]

skill issue

[remote inlet]

I dont think i could do it cuz i dont have the correct cs on alice and sync is too low

But wouldnt do it if i could cuz other players who reach these wall stage and see it

It will give them a wrong estimation

[wide dawn]

I see lvl1 clears

[remote inlet]

“Oh this guy can clear it at 372 i could too” but they dont know its a bug abuse

[wide dawn]

on chapter 22/23

[remote inlet]

I mean thats cheating we can tell

But if i abuse bug, we likely can not

[white sinew]

You should check recent clears again

It's full of Alice comp

[remote inlet]

Snake 🐍 giving false hope again

[white sinew]

[white sinew]

How many stage he got from Alice again?

[steady bison]

What’s this Alice bug that’s now rampant?

Just buffing RH more than usual with CSpeed?

Hmm and herself?

[wide dawn]

she just gets a casual 2m-5m charge dmg

[steady bison]

Wth

[wide dawn]

nothing much

[remote inlet]

Nah u are the only one below 381 for nihilister, other above 381 so we cant tell the legitimacy of them

[white sinew]

this

[steady bison]

That 5,000% charge

[white sinew]

no

[remote inlet]

Prolly alot, bro is enjoying bug like a degens

[white sinew]

Look again

[steady bison]

Wait I left off a digit

[white sinew]

No

[steady bison]

… several

WTH

[white sinew]

5mil

[steady bison]

Blame the Target warning ring for being too fat 👀

[white sinew]

319m 1 shot

[steady bison]

That’s depressing hmm

[remote inlet]

SW also has these % if u pair w RH, its like when RH just got released, but SW doesnt pump out billion damage

[white sinew]

Thats bs just reroll cs

Only thing you need

I got like 1min left when it died

[remote inlet]

but this acc doesnt need more core

i dont want to be like juratus

he has nothing to play

[white sinew]

???

[remote inlet]

i just dont want to pass it

[white sinew]

Juratus is mega whel

[remote inlet]

i mean trying to rush content using abug, i dont want it

it doesnt give me any benefit

that i need

[white sinew]

Finally no more weird bgm

[remote inlet]

[white sinew]

📸

[remote inlet]

u guy so mean

[remote inlet]

?

[white sinew]

All recent clears

Suddenly in 1 day

[remote inlet]

ye but they are 381

381 is the point that u can clear with extremely good OLs lines

these guys might not have it

they could have abused it

[flint reef]

Didn't they patch the bug?

[white sinew]

Nope

[remote inlet]

but they passed the 381 threshold which is a legitimate threshold

[flint reef]

Really?

[wide dawn]

[flint reef]

it's nonsense

[white sinew]

How long did it took them to patch harrN

Just remember that

[flint reef]

Don't know about Harran bug

but they should react fast in these situations

[wide dawn]

that means we are not getting that sr anytime soon

[bright hill]

How does this bug work?

[remote inlet]

opps here we go, curious curious getting stiches

[flint reef]

So meaning everyone will build Alice to clear campaign easier?

[white sinew]

And you call us mean

[remote inlet]

no what u said about my bgm is mean

shutup

[wide dawn]

I mean....

aren't they already

[white sinew]

bruh double standard

[white sinew]

How good is lud

[flint reef]

I still don't have her built but sincerly I am not interesting by bug exploit

[bright hill]

I don't think that's how the saying goes.

[plain rain]

she was used before the exploit lol

[flint reef]

ofc but the bug appeared after the updates right ?

[plain rain]

and she’ll be used after the exploit is fixed

yea

[remote inlet]

nothing new meta, she is not a core in any strat, just a substitute

[white sinew]

Except campaign

[remote inlet]

nothing

just another dps monkey

[white sinew]

Where is she at in meta

[remote inlet]

bruh u know i dont do boss how would i know, boring ass mode

[plain rain]

outdamages mod while buffing teammates damage

on bosses

so SS

[flint reef]

I mean I didn't plan to buid her now and this bug won't chnage anything for me but many players will just easily clear hard stages exploiting this bug and seems they are really slow to patch things

[plain rain]

huge exploit for +0.1 core dust per hour

but yea

[wide dawn]

imho campaign clears means nothing

if this was on sr or ur

thats... a big problem

[plain rain]

good for them ig

[white sinew]

Shut up top 100 coop

Tryhard momo

[remote inlet]

thats definitely not me playing

[flint reef]

Anyway they should imo be more recative for this kind of things and not leaving this kind of bug longer but seems from what I am reading it's not the first time 🤔

[remote inlet]

they will fix this bug soon

cuz it affect the SR dirrectly, its a schedule thing

[wide dawn]

they tried to be reactive

they postponed sr even before anyone found the bug

they probably can't fix the bug

for now

[remote inlet]

delaying it will make them look bad, cant handle bug for important mode

[flint reef]

My Alice is 1/1/1 no ol gears I think i will try to exploit the bug

[white sinew]

It wouldn't work

[wide dawn]

it works, it just gets to a few k of charge dmg

[flint reef]

was just kidding not interested by this bug anyway

I am still A2 believer I was able to get until 7-18 hard

[jovial fog]

Damn, everyone gaming

No more skill issue

[remote inlet]

[white sinew]

Its not like they have a choice to deactivate it

[jovial fog]

Imagine how hardstuck people will be once the bug is fixed

[white sinew]

Another week till fix i'd say

[remote inlet]

literally these 2 guys will hardstuck

[jovial fog]

I have 35 levels worth of core dust boxes

I'm not sure you're correct my guy

[remote inlet]

oh he has that

but he decided to abuse it

[jovial fog]

I would like to see 206k CP clear of 13-15

[remote inlet]

ye imagine all the people u guided in #pve-team-building

got to this stage

and "oh SNAKE can clear it"

copy

[jovial fog]

I'll just tell them they're not good enough

[remote inlet]

and fail miserably

[jovial fog]

I have extra skill

Also it's not like the team I used was ass

With enough CP you should be able to clear it with that comp

Pretty easily

[remote inlet]

not at 206k cp

[jovial fog]

Just bring back the charge bug

[remote inlet]

just be a good example for others

[jovial fog]

I ain't trynna get moral high ground in jiggle game man

I just wanna shoot with xLewd and see her ass jiggle

That's it

That's why I play this game

[remote inlet]

gotta use that argument

u can join Tim now

downbad

[jovial fog]

Tim is right

Damn
I should've used xLewd in my 206k cp run

Free train

[remote inlet]

@hallow fox is perfect test subject for Lud performance in train

he has nothing but cheese and an unbuilt xLud

[jovial fog]

I alrdy tried it on SI on a weak acc

She works exactly like modernia

[remote inlet]

she has no elemental advantage, but she has extra ammo, but not sure how i would comparing it to another 300 ammo modernia

[jovial fog]

The modernia has a couple max ammo OL

[remote inlet]

no a no OL modernia

[jovial fog]

I think lud would be better if equally invested

But modernia overall would be better cuz lower accounts should hyper focus modernia skills

[remote inlet]

cuz a based modernia, she has trouble while shooting the turrets

like

[jovial fog]

Rather than xLud skills

[remote inlet]

1 turret will be alive with half hp

while modernia reload

but Lud doesnt have this reload problem

but she doesnt have dps advantage

so it balance out

so i suspect

they are the same, basically same turret problem

[jovial fog]

Both xLud and modernia do very well in sakura lud strat, Ludmilla does better cuz she doesn't have to burst

Noise strat also Ludmilla wins but if you don't use cheeses and try with D etc, imo modernia is better

[remote inlet]

i think they are just the same

[jovial fog]

Yeah all in all
Very similar performance and very equal on bosses
Modernia better cuz she better on campaign but that's about it

Lud is a the best mod sidegrade on bosses

[remote inlet]

.

[hallow fox]

Yep. Mine is still 1/1/1. I don’t think she works with a cheese team. The missiles in phase 2 are kinda hard to shoot down while dealing with QTE as well

Do you want to test next time?

Mod burst is really effective at taking down the missiles even though it gimps her damage

[remote inlet]

yes, maybe next rotation

[remote inlet]

if this cheese doesnt work with xludmilla (Biscuit+Noah)

then she is quite bad for low investment

[hallow fox]

Idk. I only tried a few runs with her

Maybe you’ll do better than me

I’ll leave her at 1/1/1 for you, but I’ll keep investing in RH

[remote inlet]

wait level her skill to 4/4/4

[hallow fox]

You don’t want true low investment?

[remote inlet]

no cuz no one will actually run it like that

at least 4/4/4

but will do with 1/1/1

and estimate from taht

[hallow fox]

Ok

[flint reef]

@remote inlet are you still pushing hard campaign with A2 or she is failling off where you are?

[jovial fog]

A2 won't fall off in the sense that she will keep doing what she does best without fail.

#1181779382956724224 message

If you look at this message. He uses everyone according to what they do best, and what the stage requires

[remote inlet]

^

[twilit flame]

what a tryhard

bring me back to the good ol days of ooga booga scarmod

[steady bison]

Check time and damage

Poor Rebuild Spook of Tetra Tower 350F never had a chance

[jovial fog]

We're all the others covered

Bruh what's this damage diff

[steady bison]

So the thing about Rebuild Spook, you don’t want to accidentally destroy his rifle parts and just tunnel his core for the win. I didn’t realize I was smashing him until he suddenly exploded. Then I remembered that of my tower teams, my Tetra was the most stacked. Was probably blue power gaming there

Team was not in cover

[jovial fog]

Damn

I see

I don't even remember that fight ngl

Think it was an ex stage

Oh it's that boss

Just saw on yt

[plain rain]

gotta make sure to remember this for when I hit manu tower 350 🔥

[jovial fog]

aYo

[jovial fog]

All this time I was thinking it took 2:46 to beat him

And thought the damage sheet had gone insane

[steady bison]

LOL

Still. Now you realize it was 124m by W Ludmilla while rest of team was trying to fight too?

[jovial fog]

Yes